The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Maxx Crosby Trade Fallout, 49ers Land Osa, Chiefs Add Kenneth Walker & Dad Diaries Returns
Episode Date: March 12, 2026On this episode of 3 & Out, we break down the fallout from the Maxx Crosby trade saga and what it means for the Raiders moving forward. How did things unravel, and where does the franchise go from... here after one of the biggest stories of the offseason? We also dive into several major moves around the league. The 49ers make a big addition by trading for Osa Odighizuwa, the Buffalo Bills bring in pass rusher Bradley Chubb, and the Kansas City Chiefs add another weapon by signing Kenneth Walker. Which teams made the biggest impact and how could these moves reshape the league? Plus, a fan-favorite segment makes its return as Dad Diaries is back, with new stories, laughs, and the chaos that comes with life off the field. All that and more on this episode of 3 & Out. Follow John on Twitter, and Instagram for the latest. All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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So here's the deal.
We were going to dive deep into the Max Crosby.
Ravens, the angles from the two teams,
the tampering period, just that situation.
49ers made a trade.
I think on the podcast, I said the Packers traded for Hardgrave.
He got cut, then they signed him.
But regardless, he's a Packer.
Bills signed Bradley Chubb, some thoughts on the Chiefs.
We got some quarterback thoughts on Daniel Jones.
I mean, that guy, talk about highway robbery.
His agent deserves a race.
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It's typically pretty low, a couple percent.
That guy deserves like 50%.
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So I'll be on the herd with Colin on Friday filling in.
I'll be down in LA for like 24 hours.
So a quick little trip.
So you can catch me on the herd.
And we'll have a podcast out on Friday, like I said.
So nothing changes.
We'll keep charging along.
We'll keep swinging our pick.
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So that is definitely potentially in the works.
But let's just dive right into the Max Crosby fiasco.
I mean, the simple reality of the tampering period,
which essentially is free agency, right?
When these deals get done on Monday and Tuesday before the league year starts,
there's not much change after that.
And let's be real.
Once you get, I'm recording this Wednesday afternoon,
things of coming to a screeching halt.
All the guys are off the board,
beside like a potential A.J. Brown trade.
And it's very rare that a guy signs a contract
and changes his mind in those 24, 48 hours.
Why?
And I've said this forever.
The unofficial tampering period starts at the combine.
So when these deals start flying on Monday
with Schefter in that cave with McAfee pumping out these deals,
it's because the market has been established for a couple weeks.
You don't commit to something for 20, 30, 50, 100 million dollars
without knowing that's the most money you can get
or that's the best deal you can get
or when you see the different deals,
that's the deal you want to take like a Mike Evans.
Right? You have a pretty good idea.
You have a very good idea.
You don't have an idea.
You know for a fact like this is the,
these are the three offers.
this is the best offer or this is where I want to play.
I saw the Bill Center said like,
probably could have got more money elsewhere.
I can live on $13 million a year.
This is where I want to be.
So these guys are making financial decisions
with their agents whose job at the Combine,
which, you know, for me,
you're BSing with people having some cocktails,
doing some interviews, having a good time.
For the Howie Rosemans, for all the GMs,
it's meeting with agent after agent after agent
after agent. And I remember being at some drinks, my first night there with a couple GMs, and they just said these agent meetings are exhausting.
Because at that time, at the end of February, they're just throwing out numbers because they don't necessarily know in concrete what the market is going to be.
I remember hearing a story, it's like, well, what do you think your guy wants? He's like somewhere somewhere between 8 to 13 million.
He's like, well, what's the number? Well, they don't know. And then after a couple weeks, talking to all the different GMs, they could get.
more specific. Well, we got something on, you know, in hand for $12 million a year, a four-year deal,
right? And then you kind of work from there. Like, this is as high as we can go. This is what we're
willing to do. And we typically don't see. And I think a lot of it, you know, in the Crosby
situation, which is a trade, which is different than a contract, but there is so much on the line.
I mean, Max Crosby makes $30 million a year. They were giving up multiple first round picks,
what's the Ravens have never done.
You saw some of these deals, Alec Pierce, Linderbaum.
I mean, Jalen Phillips, we're talking to astronomical amounts of money.
Jalen Phillips got $80 million guaranteed.
He got $120 million.
Linderbom, you know, depending on who you talk to, I think, I thought he was a really good
center.
You know, some people think he's a little overrated.
Making $27 million a year.
I mean, these are large sums of money in the national football league,
especially for non-quarterbacks, a center, right?
So you saw Kobe Bryant.
the safety, go to the Bears, he's signed a three-year deal at $43 million.
I mean, you do the math.
You're talking like $13, $14 million a year.
This is a lot of money.
So typically, when I commit and I say I'm in, I'm in because like this is too much money to screw around.
I don't want to operate in bad faith.
And one thing, just talking to some of the GMs and it's been well established by the reporters,
Albert Breer has been talking about this.
When you make a trade, you exchange injury information.
Here are our MRI scans.
Here are all the x-rays we have.
You give it to the team.
So they have that information a week ago.
Or whenever the trade came to fruition on Thursday or Friday,
over the course of the weekend, the Ravens had that information.
Now, you could argue once you get your hands on a guy,
once your team doctor sees them,
maybe they have a different opinion, but you have that information.
And these deals are not done with like, hey, I'm giving you a Ferrari,
and then all of a sudden you look outside and it's a Honda Accord.
Like, you know what you're getting.
The transparency in this league when it comes to deals from what I have heard is really,
really high.
And the Max Crosby thing was well established.
So when the Ravens pulled the trigger, at least we thought,
like they knew it was a risk.
There's always a risk.
I mean, hell, the Packers just traded for an in-is-prime,
all-time great speed rusher towards ACL in the middle of the season.
It's football.
You never know.
And I think the big thing that sent rattles and really just sent ripple effects
throughout the league was we got, nothing is guaranteed.
And at any moment in this time, we've become, I don't want to say complacent,
but you just think when you get a yes in the time when it's not actually official,
you just assume it's a yes.
And the Raiders continue to do business.
Everyone continue to do business except the Ravens.
And that's where I will start because Eric DeCosta talked today.
Pretty vague.
I mean, he did not get into specifics by any means in terms of what they saw,
what gave them pause, basically just gave the corporate cliche answer.
I got to do what's best for the Baltimore Ravens.
Which is true.
Which his job is not to be liked by all the other three.
teams. His job is to do whatever he can in the best interest of the Baltimore
Ravens. But I think as we sit here today, no one could argue that he got cold feet.
Because he knew he got a guy who was coming off an injury. He already had the medical
information. Now, did they see something to go, well, hell, in a couple years, this guy could
get arthritis, could get a degenerate knee, and that gave them pause. Did they see all
the talk online of like, oh my God, they kind of got fleeced, a 29-year-old. A 29-year-old.
old guy for the 14th overall pick and a number one next year.
Because let's face it, they were kind of getting universally crushed in the sense of
they gave up a lot.
Who in the league could have got close to that?
And the answer was nobody because none of the bad teams were making that trade.
And from what it looked like, that was the only offer where they had two first round picks
on the table.
And I also think to lay this out, you do have to understand Eric DeCosta's standing within
in the league. Obviously, he's been with the Ravens forever. I mean, I think he was with
originally the Cleveland Browns way back in the day with Bill Belichick. He's been a part of this
organization for decades. I wouldn't say he is the most well-liked guy in the league. I went up to
him at the combine, tried to introduce myself to put him out. He's pretty cold, which I'm not holding
that against him, doesn't know me from Adam, clearly doesn't listen to the show, whatever. I don't
necessarily care. But people that I know have never had great things to say about them. I've always
defended people in business. Like you hear these stories of like, that guy's a complete asshole.
Sometimes it's jealousy. Like I've seen that for years when I was growing up.
Anyone that lives in a town and you do business, there are going to be people in your industry
or people that you know through friends who are successful in life that everyone thinks is a
scumback, who everyone thinks is an asshole, who a consistent theme is, you. You. A consistent theme is
you can't trust that guy.
And maybe it's true, and sometimes it's 100% true,
and sometimes perception can take on a life of its own.
But at the end of the day, if I run a company,
if I run a football team, if I run my family,
I have to think about myself first and foremost.
Now, you can argue in any walk of life,
there's a way to conduct yourself,
and there's a way to do business,
and clearly this felt a little abnormal.
This felt like not only he got cold feet, but he completely fucked the Raiders
because the Raiders had done business with the thought that Max was on their team
and that they had these picks for several days.
It wasn't one of those like 12 hours later.
Say what you want about, you know, a Josh McDaniels or some of the situations where a coach
gets cold feet.
It usually happens pretty quick.
This lingered for a while.
And it lingered.
Now, part of it was Max had something over the weekend, didn't even get there to Monday night,
and then was in the facility Tuesday.
And Diana Rossini reported a day that they started getting weird vibes.
And I think the number one thing people thought when this went down yesterday is like,
well, who are they going to sign?
And part of it was Trey Hendrickson's market had plummeted relative.
He thought he was going to get like three years, $120 million and $40 million a year.
It's like, bro, you're 32 years old coming off a major injury and his market was really, really slow.
Well, who had a front row seat to that?
Eric DeCosta. So he's in there. They start negotiating with Trey Hendrickson. DeCosta claims that he was going to sign
them both. Hard to believe. You're going to have multiple, you're going to have two pass rushers making
a combined $60 million. Hard to see. But I think it's pretty clear. You don't need to be conspiracy
theorist to say they saw it. They started thinking twice about their picks. They knew they could get
tray for cheaper, but to say, and I saw rap sheet say this, there's no such thing as a failed physical,
right? You can fail in inspection, right, on a home, on a car. Physicals are subjective. You see things.
It's well documented. Max Crosby is going to be able to play in 2006, 100% fully healthy based on his injury.
their thinking, which is pretty clear, is big picture.
Can he maintain it over the next couple years?
That's their argument.
Yet they signed a guy in Hendrickson who just missed half the season and had a surgery
and who's also three years older.
So I think we just have to lay it on the table.
And De Costa doesn't want to look like a bad guy publicly, even though he's already getting crushed.
He can just say, hey, we had planned on signing them both.
I was already talking to him before we saw Max.
but it sure looks to me like
they start getting their hands on Max,
they start having second thoughts,
maybe they had second thoughts
before even entered their building
because of how much they gave up
and everyone's saying
no one would give up this much
for an older player
and they go, well,
we can just have an older pass rusher
and keep our picks.
And that's obviously what they decided to do.
But this other notion of,
and this goes back to the scumbag thing,
like, oh, everyone thinks so-and-so's a scumbag.
It's like, well, no one will ever do business with them.
Well, does he have anything to offer?
because I've heard that forever and usually those guys maintain being successful.
Why? Because they typically have something that other people want, whatever company or industry they're in.
This notion that no one will do business moving forward because they don't trust Eric DeCosta to me is bullshit.
Are the Ravens offering a lot of money?
Are the Ravens willing to trade for whatever player more than another team?
People will gladly do business with them.
It's a cutthroat world.
and scummy things happen and shady things happen, which clearly happened here.
And I don't think it's really debatable that he started looking at his two options with a lot of humans do in a lot of different walks of life and went,
I'm going to go with the better option because I'm not bound by this one.
I was talking, I was trying to explain to my wife last night this situation and she works at real estate.
she sees deals fall through like multiple times a home.
Like she is consistently used to seeing deals not get completed.
Sometimes just sell a home and it doesn't even matter the price point.
It could be 800 grand or it could be a $10 million home that people back out.
And until you're legally bound or there's like money on the line that you're not going to get back,
that people have cold feet all the time.
He had cold feet.
He pulled out.
and because of the setup of the league year,
he's not technically bound by anything.
So did he break unwritten rules?
Sure.
Did he break actual rules?
He did not.
It's why he was able to back up,
do a press conference, sign another guy,
and at the end of the day,
I think he'd argue there's no blood on my hands.
You could be mad at me,
but I made the right decision for the organization.
Now, we can debate like you knew when you've,
originally pulled the trigger on this trade, what you were getting, right?
Obviously, a really good player, but he was an injured player.
He was an older player relative to a lot of position players who had been traded for a similar
haul, right?
The Khalil Max, the Jalen Ramsey's, those type guys in the prime of their career.
And maybe you had too many days to think about it.
Maybe this deal goes through if several days ago Max just shows up on a Monday.
and they just are in the momentum of it and they go with it.
But he had several nights to think about it.
He saw Tray's market diminished from what he probably thought it was originally going to be.
But this notion that he was going to sign both guys, I honestly have a hard time with that.
I really do.
I'm actually going to call bullshit on that one.
And I think anyone with a working brain will too.
But I understand him saying that.
He's got to say something.
He's got a lie.
But I also think, like, there are a lot.
of guys in this league that are just well-liked or a guy that you feel comfortable doing a deal with.
Like, this guy kind of has a track record now. I saw Will Compton posted something yesterday.
For those of you old enough to remember, a wide receiver named Ryan Grant, who was on the Redskins at the time.
And as Will said, he played with him. Played four years, never missed a game.
Signed like a four-year, $30 million deal with the Ravens.
And within 24 hours, Michael Crabtree, who was on the Raiders,
got cut and became available.
So they failed him in his physical,
AKA said, we're out of the deal,
and signed Michael Crabtree.
They did it a couple years ago with Michael Brockers.
They backed out.
Michael Brockers went on to start every game
for the next couple years.
So he has a track record of backing out of deals
when he sees that he views a better option.
And, you know, talking to people in the league,
their issue is there's a transparency of like,
your cold feet have to be determined as we're negotiating the deal.
But once you give the go-ahead on the deal,
like especially something of this magnitude,
which is clearly never happened.
There's one thing, you know,
the example of being used is Drew Brees with Nick Sabin.
That was just a free agent signing.
Obviously, Nick Sabin and the Miami Dolphins made the wrong decision.
But the Raiders didn't even just start operating
from a position of who we're going to sign without Max's,
money, but I'm sure started utilizing their free agency plans knowing they had the 14th pick.
I mean, this was Saturday, Sunday, Monday. I mean, you're talking three and a half days in the
busiest time of the year. That might as well be a month. So I think it's really fucked up. I think
people will badmouth Eric DeCosta, but if his owner doesn't care, why does he care? And there are a lot of
people in all the towns that we live in who make a lot of money and do really well in life
that everyone thinks a complete scumbag. And maybe that's the case with Eric DeCosta. I know this.
A lot of those people sleep fine night. Whether you agree or disagree with them, they don't give a
fuck. And do I think he gives a shit? I do not. I honestly do not because I think it's in his
kind of nature to be like this. And part of as a GM, and I'm not even defending it. I'm just saying
like, I get it.
Like, I see it.
And from everything I've heard,
this is very on brand with the individual.
But this notion that no one's going to do anything with the Ravens ever again,
give me a break.
What a joke.
And I also think from the Raider side,
and people are like,
a lot of people are at fault here.
Like, no, this was on the Ravens.
I don't put any of this on the Raiders.
Unless it comes out,
they withheld medical information.
that that has not been reported anywhere.
From all reports, they gave everything.
The Ravens knew exactly what they were getting.
So they, I don't know what the Raiders could have done.
They were shopping this guy to everybody.
They took the best offer.
He obviously had basically since the combine to feel comfortable about what he was going to offer
and pulled out.
I, to me, the blame pie is 100%
why this deal fell through because of the Ravens decision.
The Raiders had nothing to do with it.
And one thing I learned, and I don't think I talk about enough,
I never talk about it actually,
and I never hear anyone else talking about it.
And someone in the league who is in charge of signing guys brought this up to me.
He said, there are two different things.
There's the salary cap, whatever that number is,
being compliant with the league, right?
It's a hard cap.
You got to be under the number.
If it's a $200 million or a $300 million cap, you can't be $10 million more than that number.
And then there's a cash flow issue.
So you can have a salary cap of $250 million and spend way over that amount in a given year with signing bonuses and upfront cash.
You know, Jimmy Haslam did it for years.
Jeffrey Lurie, the 49ers did it for years.
They spent more actual cash than the salary cap, right?
because of signing bonuses and ways to manipulate the cap because you can give people up front
and then you can push it back over the life of the deal in the quote unquote void years.
I mean, Howie Roseman's been making a killing doing this for the last seven, eight years, right?
Because Jeffrey Lurie is willing to invest.
He says, but even if you are those guys, every team has some sort of a cash budget.
So when SpyTech makes all these moves and signs all these guys,
Now, the Raiders give less, quote-unquote, signing bonuses than other teams, but clearly they're guaranteeing a lot of money.
You bring Crosby back.
That is $30 million that you were going to pay Max Crosby.
Again, as of right now, I think there's a decent chance that he's still on the team that you had not budgeted for.
So that's where people are going, you really fucked the Raiders because they had a budget or they had an idea of not having Crosby on their team.
that's why they made all these moves.
Now, because of the new influx of cash from Brady's billionaire buddies that bought into the team,
maybe big picture it won't be an issue and they can just fire with the money if they can
convince Max to stay.
Because one thing that is very clear at this point that has come out over the course of the last couple days,
maybe a week, is that several weeks ago, maybe a couple weeks before the combine,
Max Crosby had gone to Mark Davis's house, who's his good buddy.
And I don't want to say demanded a trade, but they agreed that you should trade me.
It's the best for the organization.
So Max Crosby essentially wanted a trade.
Now, I do wonder, once you have this situation take place, you wanted to be a raider for life,
then the Mendoza situation happened, you got pissed, you stormed out,
and you said, fuck this, maybe it is time to leave.
that then you go to another organization
that's supposed to be one of the top organizations
in all of American sports
and you spend the day there
and by the end the GM calls you into the office
and said, we're not doing this actually.
We're going to fly you home and the trades off.
I don't care who you are.
If you're the most confident human of all time
or very insecure and lack confidence,
that would rattle you.
That would really, really rattle you.
And I've said this forever.
When you are drafted by a team,
the coach, the GM,
no one will ever be as invested in your success originally as those people are to you.
So once they pivot off you,
the next people involved will never be as invested.
Now, sometimes if you're a great player,
you know, Harbaugh loves Khalil Mack, right?
There are clearly examples.
But my point is that there is never quite like that original love.
And there is a connection between the Raiders owner
and Max Crosby, that clearly would just be different of him going to the Ravens,
who, if they would have gone through it, still would have treated him more like an acquired asset
than a guy that they had drafted, that they had nurtured, and, you know, like a Kyle Hamilton,
like a Helodinata, like a Terrell Suggs.
They wouldn't have looked at him the same.
And I also think this has to put in the back of his mind, maybe I just play this out.
and I think it's hard for the Raiders now to go back to the market
given that no one worth their salt
is going to offer them anywhere close to what they just got.
I would imagine most of the offers coming in
based on the previous thing that they thought they had
is 50 cents on the dollar.
If they had picked 14 and a first round pick,
it wouldn't shock me if some people are offering like two-toes.
Because also if you're a GM now that this is out there
that if in a couple years Max Crosby's knee falls apart, you will get fired, right?
Especially if your team's not doing well.
People will go, well, you knew.
This is why the Ravens backed out.
So that puts pressure on you to not overpay or even get aggressive from a financial standpoint
when it comes to trading for Max Crosby.
So given what you just got in theory for Max,
could you now trade them for way less?
could you trade him for a second and a third just to get rid of the money and just because he wants
to get traded? So you're basically just trading him to trade him. You're still get some value,
but nothing near what you got. Like if you're not getting a first rounder, like if every team now
that's in the mix and interested in Max Crosby is not offering a first rounder, does that make sense?
And my answer would be no. And that's where I think the Raiders brass kind of has to turn back
into salesmen and like, can we fix this issue? And I do wonder if after Max went through what he just
did, it has to be a little, you know, I would say life altering, someone telling you, yeah, we think
your knee's not going to work, right? We think in a couple years, you will not be able to play
football. Because that's essentially what they told them. Maybe in not so many words, or maybe in more
words, bullshitting. But like, we think your knee screwed. Because when you're told, it's one thing
in the draft, right, if rumors get out, so-and-so, Caleb down, so-and-so shoulder might not work.
I remember when Leonard Williams, who's now on the Seahawks, there were rumors, he's got this
shoulder, he's going to need surgery, and it may never be the same.
Well, a decade later, he's still kicking ass.
So it's like, it doesn't necessarily matter from a draft standpoint.
Okay, a couple teams think that, but if the other teams in the league don't think that,
who cares?
But they're also not telling that to your face.
when you are in the building thinking you're on the team
and then the GM calls you into the office
and says we're not doing this because we think
you're not going to be able to function in a couple years.
That has to throw off
and just whatever your mental clarity is
and your football confidence
and your professional confidence.
I'm like, I'm here, I'm going to help this team win a Super Bowl.
It's got to throw you off.
It would for me. It would for you.
It has to for Max Crosby.
And I do wonder if that changes the dynamic
of this situation with him and the Raiders
because it was just an all-time
it was an all-time tweet
when it came out from the Raiders that they backed out
it was an all-timer that all these reporters
that are really dialed in
didn't really have that many answers
and let's face it, still don't.
No one can say
like in everyone's kind of doing this in pencil
no one can say this specifically what they saw
and this is why they backed out.
You know why?
because I don't think they had a true reason.
I think some of the doctors said,
yeah, we're a little nervous with this.
This could go wrong in a couple years.
He was already having some second thoughts.
He knew he had the bird in the hand.
He'd get trade for the number in which they signed him and said,
okay, we're out.
And then the Raiders are now in this kind of bizarre, weird situation
with their star player,
who I think, and I said this yesterday in my initial reaction,
and I think I stand by it sitting here,
whatever, 24 hours.
later on Wednesday afternoon.
I would probably just keep him at this point.
I would keep him at this point over giving him away from 50 cents on the dollar.
Because we just added a bunch of really good players.
We're going to add a quarterback.
We're going to add potentially multiple guys in the draft because we draft
high in every round.
Who's to say, hey, listen, Max.
This year could be a little bumpy.
I mean, we should be better than we've been the last couple years.
But we could take strides, six or seven, you know, wins.
But in a couple years, why couldn't we be a playoff?
team and you could be a huge part of that.
And you can kind of get, like, it was all worth it.
And we'll just erase that video that you posted on Twitter and Instagram,
and we'll just pretend that never happened.
And we'll just move on.
And money usually makes everyone happy and we're paying you $30 million the next couple of years.
And let's just move forward.
That would be my guess.
Again, I don't have any inside information on this,
but given the way I know teams think and the way,
way that they kind of, they're like hyenas.
When there's like a dead animal, they kind of, you know, they kind of come in for an easy meal.
That's what it feels like a lot of people when I see that a lot of teams are re-engaging with
the Raiders for way less than they originally offered.
Because, and in fairness to those guys, if there's validity to what the Raven saw, to pull the
trigger with a lot of draft capital and have this blow up in your face, I do think it would
be a fireable offense.
So, yeah, we'll just keep monitoring.
this situation. Obviously, if he is traded, we will have a reaction from there.
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We just contributed to it.
We're the first people to do podcasts.
Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there.
But this one's extra special.
So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys?
I honestly don't remember.
I think it was on a call about what we should call it.
Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.
This is how you guys remember it going down?
Yes.
I have a very different memory of this.
We were talking about a thing.
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Hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad,
Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.
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We did have a trade today.
The 49ers traded for former third round pick.
Osa Adigizua.
I think I said that name right.
Interior, really good pass rusher,
three technique.
The Cowboys last year gave him a four-year $80 million contract.
They gave him a $20 million signing bonus.
And I think the 49ers, I'm sure like this guy coming out of the draft,
clearly liked him in the pros.
You know, he's like a four or five sack a year guy,
but he's a good pressure guy.
He, to be, is a good scheme fit.
The 49ers have like a one gap, get up the field,
not like playing two gaps, stuff in the run, just penetrate.
Just get it.
And ideally, you got Fred Warner, who knows maybe they bring Dre Greenlaw back.
Our linebacker makes 15 tack.
a game. Our defensive linemen are paid to disrupt the backfield. And Adam Peters attempted to do this
last year. And I never have a problem with this is when you trade a third or fourth round pick
for a player who's already under contract, who if he was a free agent would have cost you a lot more
than you are going to pay him with the trade. Now, to get that cheap contract, you have to give up
a third round pick, which isn't nothing. Though the 49ers, they
were in the second round and they're drafted
27th in the first round so that is a late third round pick
I mean you're talking about something closer to 100
than you are 70
so it's I think you view it go
we need this player he's an immediately plug-in-play asset
and next year he's on the books for $16.7 million
that if he was a free agent
he would cost us more than $16.7 million
if we were going to acquire his services
so I think they got to take advantage
They had a good draft last year.
They still got a first and second round pick this year.
But I like the trade.
And I also understand from Dallas perspective,
a lot has changed in the sense of last year
when they extended this guy,
they probably thought him and Micah were going to be on the team.
Then all of a sudden they get rid of Micah.
They have Quinn and Williams, who's a better player.
They trade for Rashon Gary.
They have two first round picks.
Wouldn't shock me at all if they take a defensive lineman.
And you start investing.
so much money into your defensive line, you go, listen, we have an excess.
We can utilize this to get a draft pick.
We are paying pickings a lot of money now.
We are paying, you know, the kicker's not going to be cheap whenever they get that deal set.
So I understand the Cowboys making this trade.
To me, this is your classic like win-win.
This trade makes a lot of sense.
And I think the Niners were pretty desperate for some defensive line help, people that can play.
Not one of those like practice squad guys.
and they weren't going to go down the road.
They essentially gave this same deal
a couple years to go to Javon Hargrave.
They gave him four years,
$80 million and guaranteed $40 million.
And it blew up in their face.
Now, Hardgrave's kind of a unique player.
He's this undersized interior pass rusher.
He actually was not bad against the run last year.
He's now on the Packers,
who they just gave him $23 million.
He's one of those guys you're going to look back,
mid-round pick.
I think he was like a fourth-round pick,
third-round pick.
He made a lot of money.
You know, and he parlayed that Eagles success that last year for the Eagles when he had double-digit sacks into just financial windfall for the next four or five years.
So, you know, Hargrave, I think you're the Packers.
They had gotten rid of so many guys, right?
They had got rid of Kenny Clark last year.
They got rid of Rishon Gary this year.
Micah Parsons currently injured.
That they had to do something.
So I have no issue with this deal.
They gave up, I think, like a late round pick to acquire them.
But, yeah.
The other thing is the bills trade or not traded.
They signed Bradley Chubb, who's coming off a year we had eight and a half sacks.
I think the bills have really struggled to hit on a guy in free agency with their defensive line.
Years ago, they signed Von Miller to a ton of money after he got traded to the Rams and won the Super Bowl
and had a sack in every round, including the Super Bowl.
Clearly they regretted that.
Last year, they got Joey Bosa, they gave him like one year, $12 million.
He just did not live up to that contract.
And this year, again, they are taking premium guys, people that were, you know,
Joey Bost is a third overall pick.
Obviously, Vaughn Miller is a Hall of Famer.
Bradley Chubb was what, the fifth or sixth pick in the draft, fourth pick.
I mean, they're going after this blue-chip pedigree.
It's not like they got Bradley Chub like Bosa for one year, $12 million.
These gave him three years, I think like $44 million.
They guaranteed almost 30.
So they paid a decent amount of money.
Now, I think they would say, hey, listen, if he can replicate what he did last year,
give us eight and a half, nine, ten sacks, especially because in theory we should be leading
in some of these games with our offense.
This should make more sense.
And I've said this forever.
The moment they made the Sean McDermott move to go with Joe Brady,
You've seen the last two moves they've made to trade for DJ Moore, to sign Bradley Chubb.
I mean, I don't think there's a team in the AFC.
You know, the Rams in the NFC for sure that is just like anything less than making
to the Super Bowl is a gigantic disappointment.
And I think that's just a fact.
So props to the bills, they're being very aggressive.
They're trying to make smart aggressive moves.
You know, DJ Moore is different than AJ Brown.
He costs less, not as good of a player,
but you can get for pick 60.
You couldn't get A.J. Brown for pick 60.
And you can get a guy a couple years ago that caught 96 balls.
So can DJ Moore catch 80 or 90 balls for me
and make some big plays in the cold, down the stretch, in the playoffs?
You know, Bradley Chubb, like, can he come through?
We got some other good defensive linemen and be one of those guys
that when we have a 10-point lead in the fourth quarter can tee off
and make some explosive plays that we wanted out of basketball.
Bosa and simply just didn't quite get.
So I think Brandon Bean's doing a pretty good job.
Like, these are moves.
If I was him, I would make.
The other thing I haven't hit on yet is the chief signed Kenneth Walker,
who I think it's fair to say they like Kenneth Walker a lot coming out of college.
And if you watch him in Michigan State, he was, I've said this before.
I mean, he got Mel Tucker $90 million.
I mean, him single-handedly, got Mel Tucker $90 million.
Michigan State was bad before and they've been bad after.
It was kind of Kenneth Walker.
He was a fantastic player in Michigan State.
His NFL career was a little underwhelming.
Had been banged up, had never quite lived a type.
I mean, he was drafted, I think, 41st.
I mean, you get some of those guys in the early second round.
They become star players, especially, you know, Nick Chubb was drafted there.
Debo Samuel was drafted there.
You can get impact guys.
He really just had a really good second.
half of the season and an excellent December and January for Seattle.
I do wonder if Coach Reed and bringing Bianney back, one of their philosophical
changes, they have been, they're as past heavy as any team in the league.
And they are as dependent on Patrick, which has paid dividends over the years, and rightfully
so, he's one of the great players of all time.
But once a guy tears his ACL, once you go through a season where he couldn't just
pull magic out of his hat every single game,
and he doesn't play as well.
Maybe you think to yourself of like,
we do need to become a little more run-dependent.
We do need to hand the ball to guys sometimes 25 times a game.
And I also think you need to add another running back to go along with them.
But I do wonder if offensively this year,
they become a little bit more of a run-heavy team.
And it'll be interesting what they do in the draft.
could they take the Oregon tight end at 9?
I mean, they easily could take an offensive lineman at 9.
And then all of a sudden, you got a good guard, you got a good center,
you got a young left tackle who has top five ability,
you got a right tackle who's a plug-in-play guy.
And you go, you know what we're going to do?
We're going to run the ball a lot.
That's going to be one of our philosophies this year to help our quarterback
who's coming back from an ACL injury.
To help our, you know, our wide receiver grew is not exactly, you know,
Rice and John Taylor, right?
It's not exactly Mike Lurvin and Harper.
You know, so it's a crew.
She writes in trouble again.
Kelsey's older.
That we're going to play defense.
We have one of the best defensive coordinators in the league.
We still got some high-priced guys on our defensive line.
And we're going to run the ball.
Now, that's easy to say as we're sitting here in March.
Will that actually get executed?
But I think when you give a guy that much money,
I think you need to rely on him in the run game.
And he's probably a little bit better in the passing game.
that I gave him credit for,
but I do wonder if we're going to see a little bit
of a different Chiefs team coming up.
A couple quarterback things.
One thing that's buzzing out there on the interweb
is Kirk Cousins potentially going
to the Las Vegas Raiders as the backup slash mentor
for Fernando Mendoza.
Kirk Cousins is owed $10 million this year from the Atlanta Falcons.
I mean, that contract will go down as one of the all-time.
I mean, some of these quarterbacks right now, Tua's making $55 million from the Miami Dolphins.
Kyler is making $36 million from the Arizona Cardinals.
Cousins is making $10 million from the Atlanta Falcons.
These are all-time, this is legal highway robbery.
So props to those guys for getting these contracts,
their agents are probably being underpaid for negotiating those deals because that's pretty duts.
but when you see Fernando Mendoza talk and how goofy he is,
he does have a lot of similarities to cousins a decade ago.
And I do wonder, you get a guy who's kind of been through the ringer,
who's been a backup, who's been a starter, who's been a high paid pro bowl level guy
who's gone through some shit.
I do think he could give great advice and be a great guy for Fernando to lean on.
And one thing that's key for young players,
is to have veteran players for them to look up to.
It's the big question with Jalen Carter.
It's like, are we comfortable with making him the star of the team
and paying him $45 million?
It was easy to pull the trigger when he was the ninth overall pick.
And it's like, what's he going to do?
Get out of line with Brandon Graham, Fletcher Cox,
and some of these veteran guys in the room?
Of course not.
I remember when I was in the league, the Giants drafted JPP,
who was like this raw, you know, just,
just was like a piece of clay, needed some work.
Well, what did they have?
They had OC in the room.
They had Kiwanuka in the room.
They had a bunch of veteran players in the room that's like,
that's the type risk to take,
and he went on to be a really good play for him.
Because when you have a position group that has veteran players,
you can take some risky guys.
And to me, it's no different with the quarterback,
even if the quarterback is not a quote-unquote risky guy.
You want to get him in a room with people
they can look up to with people they can bounce questions off of it's why joe flacco has had this
late career renaissance people want joe flacco in the room to be a mentor and be a guy they lean on even if
these quarterbacks say i'm not here to be a mentor i listen i i understand what they're saying they're
there to compete they're there but once it's established you the backup quarterback you're a human being
and if you're a high character guy you're just going to give the guy a lot of direction a lot of life
lessons and you're going to be able to show them just through your actions, this is what it
takes to be a starting quarterback in the league. Monday through Friday. These times, this is what I do,
these are the recoveries. And you start these habits at 22, 23, 24 years old where it's not like,
well, I figure this out by the time I was 28 or 29. I remember when the Chiefs traded Alex
Smith and Patrick Mahomes is going to be the starter. You know, one of the number one things the Chiefs
look for in a backup quarterback.
They wanted a veteran who was married.
And they side Chad Henney.
And he ended up playing there for years.
They wanted a grown-up in the room.
And that's exactly what Kirk Cousins is.
So whether you had an immature wildcard at quarterback
or someone like Fernando Mendoza that's viewed as a very mature,
serious guy, you want a veteran presence around the guy.
So they can bounce things off of, just so they can watch.
just so it takes a little pressure off them of like,
what do I do now?
And listen, we're human beings.
You don't always want to ask your superior, right?
And in football, that's your position coach
or your head coach or your coordinator.
Sometimes you just want to ask a peer.
Think about most people you're closest to
when you first get hired in a job
in your early to mid-20s out of college.
Usually the other guys you're working hand in hand with.
You're usually not very close with the boss.
you're spending a lot of time with other people who are on your level.
Some of my best friends in the NFL were other low-level scouts when I was there.
Now some of them are like GMs and assistant GMs.
But those were the people I hung out with.
I wasn't going over to Howie's house, right?
It's no different than Fresno State.
When I was there, like, and I, listen, I can text Pat Hill and Andy Reid.
I can serve these guys friends, mentors, and they impacted my life greatly.
but the people I talked to most of the time that I was with those organizations were, hell,
at Fresno state, some of them were players, we were the same age, who have gone on to be coaches now.
And we just have a lot in common because we were really close then, because we had a lot in common then.
So it's no different as a player of like, you just have more in common with another player,
even if that player is older than you, then you feel comfortable with your coach.
So I'm always for signing a mentor and an older veteran guy for a young quarterback,
regardless of the quarterback's wiry.
It's clearly more important when you have an immature wild card as a number one overall pick.
But even if you have what Fernando Mendoza's bringing to the table,
checking all the boxes off the field, I think it's extremely impactful to have someone like cousins in the room.
speaking to Kyler Murray, who, you know, forever, they've gotten Jacoby Brissettes and guys like that in the room with him to try to elevate his maturity.
As of recording this, he hasn't signed anywhere.
I mean, it's pretty crazy that they paid him all that.
I never understood that contract and it backfired in their face immediately.
And now they're paying him to, who knows.
But one thing I know is I saw the A's GM put out a statement of like, if he's ever interested, our phone lines are open.
he's never riding a bus in Albuquerque, I'll promise you that.
But it'll be fascinating to see where he goes.
The other guy that at this point in time, I almost respect it.
Cousins took shit forever because it felt like he was always maximizing his dollars
and getting paid just top dollar wherever he went.
And he ended up making, I mean, he's going to go down as one of the highest paid
quarterbacks in the history of the NFL.
But say one thing about Cousins, pull up his stat sheet.
for like a stretch of seven years, it's like 28 to 35 touchdowns every single year and 43 to 4,500 yards.
Like there was no disputing. We could argue he was never a top five quarterback, but he clearly hovered for a while between somewhere between like 7 and 15.
And on his good days, he'd be like 5, 6 or 7, and on his bad days, he'd be lower.
But he was a legitimate starting quarterback that if you did a good job building your team was worth a lot of money.
somehow he's had like two stretches in his career at like six or seven games
Daniel Jones just got another large amount of money
he got the Giants to pay him $80 million after he threw 20 touchdowns
and then last year after a good month and a half
tears his Achilles and somehow gets multiple years $88 million.
It's fascinating.
I don't ever remember a quarterback who has done less
and been injured more and constantly be able to get a lot of money.
And I'm not even hating.
In a weird way at this point, I respect the shit out of it.
And one thing that someone told me at the Combine,
that his dad, his agent, himself, when it comes to business, they are ruthless.
They don't care.
They want every penny possible.
And that's clear again.
and he had the moment they made that sauce contract or the sauce trade and gave up the first rounders
and had no other options and missed the playoffs and there weren't any other quarterbacks,
he had them by the balls.
And now they are in the Daniel Jones business.
There's going to be a ton of pressure on them in 2006.
He's coming off an Achilles injury, which one thing teams clearly,
they like the guy a lot, high character guy, seems like a good teammate.
people just like him.
But as a player,
I know he had a good stretch last year,
but you'd be hard pressed to convince me
you can be comfortable giving him
any sum of money over like $15 million.
And he consistently gets it.
And he consistently gets it.
The last time he did, he let down a team
at the highest of levels and was released two years later.
So if you told me right now,
I was a betting man,
this is the type deal that gets,
everyone in that building fired.
And partly because, not that he doesn't fit their scheme,
we've seen guys come off from Achilles' injury.
Now, unlike cousins or Rogers, he's younger than those guys,
but you have to give some, like, margin for error of it doesn't go that well right away.
There's a feeling out process.
And I would say any player, any position, no matter how good you are,
usually coming back from a major injury, there is like a slow transition process.
It's why whenever I see people talking about the 49ers and they use like, oh, they got McCaffrey and Kittle.
I love George Kittal.
He's one of my favorite 49ers in my entire life.
Right up there with like Steve Young, Jerry Rice, Patrick Willis, he is a certified bad ass.
Every team in the history of the league would want George Kittle on their squad.
He is coming off an Achilles.
Like, that's a major injury, especially for a guy, an older player whose game is building.
on power and explosion.
So, like, I can't just shock
George Kittle's going to have a great season in
2006. They just resigned his
backup tonges, who's actually a pretty good player.
But, like, I have a hard time
just plugging and playing guys
off Achilles' injury.
And this notion that
Daniel Jones is just going to look like
he did last year, I
can't say that. I don't feel comfortable
saying that at all.
Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers, and guess what? We have some big news.
What's the news, name? Huge news.
We,
created our own podcast called Hey Jonas.
We invented a podcast?
Well, we didn't invent it.
We just contributed to it.
We're the first people to do podcasts.
Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there.
But this one's extra special.
So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys?
I honestly don't remember.
I think it was on a call about what we should call it.
And we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.
This is how you guys remember it going down?
Yes.
I have a very different memory of this.
We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast,
people could call in and say, hey, Jonas.
And then I wrote down on my little notepad,
Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.
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We'll get out of here on the Dad Diaries.
You know, I said this yesterday.
when you have someone, anyone that has had little kids or has little kids now,
we have someone in the six, seven, eight week range.
You kind of do the same thing every day, right?
You just, you get them up, you try to get them back down.
You try to feed them, try to get them to sleep, which can be a challenge.
I mean, there are some days he just stares at you like, motherfucker, I am not napping a day.
Don't even think about it.
I don't plan on going to sleep.
And I'm talking during the day.
And as times when I probably should be at sleep, I'm going to get extra grouchy.
and you can read all the books you want.
You can watch all the YouTube and listen to the podcast
about how to do this and how to get on a schedule.
I am going to buck that trend every time you attempt to do it.
So you just kind of go day to day and just attack it.
My newfound respect, I've said this before and I will say it again.
I think it's easy, especially for guys, to make fun of stay-at-home moms.
The stay-at-home mom phase when they are in the infant baby phase,
is as challenging as anything I've ever seen.
I mean, I can last a couple hours and then I crack.
I mean, she does it all day, every day.
And so many women do it.
You know, in those first couple months, it is tough.
I mean, those days where they just won't stop crying,
it can mentally break you.
It really, really test the senses.
And one thing, you know, I've always heard about,
but until you experience it,
I always thought, like, change the diapers,
that's going to be disgusting.
You become numbed with that by day two.
Changing a diaper becomes like a pit stop in NASCAR.
It's like, do, do, do, do it and out.
But the one thing you're not quite prepared for that you hear a lot about are the blowouts.
And maybe early on, the first month or two, he just doesn't have as much power in there.
And then you get to the point last week, I don't know where I was, but my, maybe I was at the combine or I don't know where I was.
But Maria texts me of like, we got a problem.
Anytime you hear that, you're like, heart kind of drops.
And then she sends me a picture.
And there's just shit all over her leg, all over Jack's leg, all over the carpet.
And he had his first true blowout.
So I'm like, damn, you got to keep an eye for this.
Because a lot of times you're feeding them, put them on your knee, put them on your arm.
And you just, you know, part of babies is they are just farting and pooping constantly.
And it's honestly, it's pretty funny.
He like smile after it.
You just change the diaper pit stop, boom.
You're back rocking and rolling.
Well, it starts, you've got to be pretty careful.
I don't care how well that you put on the diaper.
If it's big enough, it can find its way out.
So the other day, I hear it like I normally do when I'm feeding them.
And I don't really think anything of it.
And then I kind of peeked down and I see the tsunami coming out the side of the lake.
And I'm on the couch.
And we got a couple changing stations in our room and in his room that he won't sleep in, I guess, until he's older.
so I think I got a couple options here.
I could just let it all flow out on me
and just deal with the
repercussions of that
after he's done
or I can be line it right now for a room.
So I tip him on his side
to stop the flow to go back into the diaper
and I run into the room
and right as I'm getting into the room
I can see it coming out the other side
and I put him on the table
and I avoid what my wife
experienced. There was nothing on me. There was nothing on the couch. There was nothing on the rug.
And it's truly one of my great father achievements so far in my short career of avoiding getting shit all over me.
Because it looked, when I look down and the sounds are still coming out, it looked destined to just fill my leg.
But I, in a split second, like Navy SEAL style, flip them on his side, and then I just ran
like Tyreek Hill, you know, around the coffee table, around the wall, and boom, we're down,
we're changing them, and we're out. So I am yet to get a blowout. I did hear a story from a friend,
well, Maria told me the story that a friend told her that a big blowout in the car that was all
over the car seat, down the side of the car. So that's something fun that I have a, I have to look
forward to. But for those of you without children, just get ready. Those, those, those, those, those,
Those early days, runny poop, everywhere.
And I mean everywhere.
Funny, at the same time, very disgusting.
Adios.
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