The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - McVay REMINDS us of Belichick, Flaccos named the STARTER, Backups in the NFL

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

John dives into the Matt Stafford situation with the Rams and how the way that Sean McVay has been handling and talking about his "injury" is very similar to how Bill Belichick handled injuries when he was coaching the Patriots. Next, John talks about the worst kept secret in the NFL, the Browns naming Joe Flacco as the starter in Cleveland, but the question remains what does this mean for the other QB's on the roster and how will the Browns handle that heading into the season. Later, John dives into the importance of teams having a quality backup QB on the roster. 4:09 - Sean McVay reminds us of Belichick 10:45 - Browns name Flacco the starter 15:19 - Importance of backups 23:03 - Rise of GM's in College football Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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they are meeting packed at 6 a.m. He walks in, I ran into him this morning, getting coffee, walk right into that meeting with a bunch of people on the staff, and you just start slinging ideas. And obviously the first time when I did this, whatever, a couple months ago, I didn't say that much. And it wasn't football season.

I felt a little, I don't want to say emboldened, but if I had to take, I'd throw it out. And we were talking about McVeigh and how he relates to just football and, you know, the status of Stafford. Because at the time when we did it on Monday morning, we didn't know Matt Stafford was going to practice. and on Sunday the Rams who had told everybody that Matt Stafford was going to throw like he did last week during the game, not before the game, do a warm-up, whether it was in front of the media or not, and then see how he felt the next day. And they just refused to talk about it. And today McVeigh kind of lost it. Like now Stafford practiced and the Rams threw out a clip of a short practice. I've been making a throw.

And McVeigh was getting really edgy and he's tired of talking about it. And one thing I threw out in the meeting, you know, I'm just like a, with one of the writers of the producers, just throwing out my takes is like, you know what he is? He's an in-shaped, smiley, good-haired, Belichick. Because we talk a lot about the Shanahan crew, right, Kyle. Now, Kevin O'Connell is involved in that because of McVeigh, LaFleur, Mike McDaniel, Sala was that guy, like all those guys that, you know, work together. And one thing with Kyle Shanahan, who is a grumpy guy? like Shanahan isn't Mr. like sending the media information isn't smiling a lot during the season,

has the before and after of when he started coaching to the way he looks now, especially when they put it next to McVeigh, McVe at 30 and McVeigh at 40 looks exactly the same. Kyle, when he took over the job, I think was like 37, 38, and now he's in his mid-40s. I mean, he looks weathered. I mean, you see it, but he's very loyal to players. He is not exactly cutthroat when it comes to getting rid of guys. I mean, most of his guys, beside DeForest Buckner, which he didn't draft, he's extended. And last year, I thought he should have been cutthroat with Iuke,

and he wasn't until the last minute when he was open to it, and it kind of bit him in the ass. And they regret that contract immediately. But countless guys, they have been very, very loyal to. And McVeigh is very Belichekian. They've gotten rid of everybody. You know, beside Aaron Donald, who retired on his own, who might have just saw the writing on the wall, If I ever slipped, they will kick me to the curb. But from Jalen Ramsey to Jared Gough to Marcus Peters to you name it,

if he thinks you're slipping Cooper Cup, he will get rid of you. And you saw today, like, responding to the Stafford thing, like, I'm sorry, Sean, this is kind of a story that you guys created. Like, you are the one that came out and talked about, and this is what I think he could take from Belichick. And it's hard. Like, what Belichick did takes skill. Most human beings are just eventually.

can't put up the guardrails and say something at a press conference for 25 years, unless you ask Belichick about special teams or what like the winless dolphins in early November did well in the kicking game. He didn't give you anything ever because it always would come back to bite you in the ass. And McVey has learned like he got very open and leaked a bunch of stuff about Jared Goff and he has to openly talk about regretting it. Listen, I appreciate the candor to these young coaches. They will be most of them, Kevin O'Connell, Kyle, LaFleur,

they're pretty good at the podium. It doesn't mean they're going to give you everything, but they're not Belichie-in. But sometimes, especially when it comes to injuries with a superstar player, we're just going to talk about Matt Stafford more than we're going to talk about Pooka Nakua, right? Or Jared Verst.

That guy is just going to get headlines no matter what. I mean, he's a national story. So when his back is injured and you say he's going to practice a couple weeks ago, then he can't, and then he's supposed to practice again, and then your mum on it. And then another guy is taking over the job. You know, in terms of McVeigh, like a lot of coaches, let someone else coach during the preseason and then even let do the press conference. He goes, well, you've got to ask Sean about it.

It's become a story. And sometimes, like, when you fight it, it gets worse. And now, let's face it, the only question was Stafford, like anyone with this type injury, is how does he feel over the next couple days? Can he practice back-to-back days? Can he practice for a week? Can he play in... Like, obviously, he's tough enough if they had a game tomorrow.

He could play. But like, week one, is he playing? Is it worth risking it if he's not quite ready? Because a back injury is something that clearly could derail his season, could derail his career, which didn't have that much longer anyway. So I think McVeigh, it'll be interesting because, listen, I get where he's coming from.

I get where all these coaches, I've seen it firsthand. They don't sleep much. Even during training camp before the regular season, you're working long days, you're grinding hard, you're spending a ton of time trying to figure out your roster, who's going to make the team, who's not going to make the team, who can get on practice squad. Your front office is funneling you a ton of players. Like, hey, if we cut this guy, is this guy for the Packers that they're probably going to cut better?

Is this guy for the Houston Texans that probably not going to make their team? Is he better than what we have? So you're just grinding. This is a long, long, you know, in terms of hours in the day and energy. And sometimes, listen, I have bad days. You have bad days. We all do. Sometimes I don't feel like I talk for a living and most days I don't want to talk to other people, right?

I got very lucky. You know, you would think like I'm super extroverted because I talk all the time. I'm actually a pretty introverted individual. I can be a homebody. I talk to anybody besides doing this. which is kind of ironic because while I talk for a living, I actually don't talk directly to that many people, though I talk every single day for multiple hours.

It's how I'd pay my bills. So I totally get having bad days, being edgy, but you have to wonder if McVeigh will be pretty careful the way he approaches these injury situations, because if you're going to be Belichekian, one thing he was great at, he never gave you shit. So then when you tried to come, well, you said this, He never played that game.

The Browns, today they named Joe Flacco, their starting quarterback, which the man on the moon could have told you they were going to do six months ago. Joe Flacco was always going to start week one for the Cleveland Browns. That's not the story. The only story is now is what's going to be their quarterback depth chart when the season starts. And honestly, you can kind of fudge it. But I've been saying this all along. And I watched a lot of Dylan Gabriel's game when he started the second preseason game when Shador was hurt. the Eagles, he looked good. He looked fine. He looked like a normal guy you draft in the mid-rounds

in a preseason game. And never forget, the Brown's brass, their head coach and their GM, chose him multiple rounds ahead of Shador. They had the opportunity. It's not one of those where it's like, the Ravens drafted a guy, I think actually, do they have three draft picks that year they took Lamar? They definitely took Hayden Hurst. But they could have taken Lamar in the teens and they took another player. Now, granted, they didn't take another quarterback. So it's like you could never be like, well, you liked another quarterback more. It's like, no, this is the only quarterback we drafted. The Browns had the opportunity to take either quarterback in the third round, and they chose Dylan

Gabriel, which I didn't even agree with. I thought that was kind of a crazy draft pick. I thought Dylan Gabriel was like a fifth, sixth, seventh round pick, like essentially where Chador went. But, you know, Colin was talking about this today, and I agree, he's, the Chador is taken on a life of its own, right, because of this. name because of like the cultural following that he has and I think Chador was a good prospect. Now there were things leading up to the draft that ultimately if you're a good player, none of that will matter moving forward. But when Dylan Gabriel gave that interview during the press conference and then it became

this huge story, like it was obvious he was talking about the media. He was not talking about his team or his teammates, but everyone was so quick to defend them. and sometimes in those situations they make the situation worse and this thing like this is why when they took Dylan Gabriel I will die on this hill they did not want to draft Shador Sanders if they did they would have taken them the owner forced this on them they're not dummies they realize what came or would come with this

now I would imagine it's even crazier than they thought but this is not going to slow down and let's face it Shador Sanders and Dylan Gabriel are going to play games this year in the regular season for the Cleveland Browns. Joe Flacco's not going to start every game. The chances that Joe Flacco, like, if I had to take the over-under of when he gets hurt, he's an older player on not a very good team, who is going to be down a lot, meaning he's going to have to throw a lot. So it's like, does he make it to Halloween? And I'm not talking about getting benched, which obviously could easily happen.

I'm talking about getting injured. He can't move in a league where offensive lines. don't just come growing trees anymore, yet defensive linemen have been getting drafted in this league at a rapid rate in terms of the ability to pass rush. So, Dylan Gabriel is going to start a game in the regular season, assuming they're both healthy, before Shador Sanders. And everyone's going to freak out. Yet this organization chose this guy ahead of him for that reason.

Now, how that goes, like if he's bad and they stick with them, it could just, you can see the circus coming. This thing, and both more than likely, you could put Dylan Gabriel, you could put your door, they all could be overwhelmed, right? It could be a situation where Hasselback was on the show today, and even he said, like, I used to dominate in the preseason. And then I finally became a starter in Seattle, and I was terrible. It's a completely different game.

There are no game plans in preseason, for backups especially. Maybe sometimes you script, like I'm sure Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams scripted those place. And I'm not, that's not like a shot. Like a Mahomes and Andy, if he starts this third preseason game, we'll script a series or two. Like, that's normal. But once your backups come into the game, you're just calling place. Same thing with the defense. Like, these aren't scripted game play in place. You're just running your defense. Can you run it and can you execute it? And so it's a completely different game. But I think this circus is going to grow dramatically because of the situation of like the coach and the GM

wanted a different guy than the one their owner wanted yet the one the owner wanted is way more famous and honestly might be better. It's just this thing's gonna, we're gonna be talking way too much about a bad Brown's team. Thinking about backup quarterbacks like this used to happen a lot

more. It doesn't happen as much anymore is like Matt Schaub would be the backup for Michael Vick and people be like, I think Matt Schaub is like a legitimate starter and then he would get traded to the Houston Texans and go on to have a long career. I think this guy Jimmy Garoppolo could start for a lot of teams in the league.

Then all of a sudden he gets traded for a second round pick and becomes a long-time starter. It's happened to, you know, many years. Sometimes that guy just becomes the starter like a Jalen Hertz because of poor play, right? Brock Purdy because of poor play. But Steve Young is the best example of a guy who was a backup. It's like, I can start, I can start, and then finally gets his opportunity. I do think there are a couple guys in the NFL that are just. just worth monitoring that maybe not this year because it does benefit the team to keep a good

starting quarterback, or I mean a backup quarterback that you think can win games for you, there is value at any moment anyone can go down. We have learned that way too many times. Tom Brady Tories ACL in week one, right? I mean, we have seen quarterbacks get caoed out of games. We have seen guys get injured. It happens. I would not be in the business if I liked my backup and thought he was a starting quarterback, but I had like a legit starter getting rid of that backup to the last possible moment. A lot like Belichick did with Jimmy. He waited until the last possible second and then traded him going into his contract year. Caleb really kind of quieted everything, right?

They had had a very, very bizarre training camp in terms of, is this thing going to work? Now, it's training camp. You're, you know, buttonheads in terms of forcing a scheme, coaching a guy hard, especially when you're in. new coach, doing it my way or the highway. I'm not quite adapting to you yet, right? I want you to do what I do. That's the reason I got hired. But there was a lot of buzz coming out about Tyson Badgett, right? And Dave Wanstead was on the herd today and said that, like, I was at practice and Ryan Poles and these guys, they love him. If you remember Hard Knocks last year, Matt Ryan, who played with Ryan Poles was at practice. I was like, I really like this guy. Ben Johnson,

talks this guy up, really likes this guy. Now, he's not going to, you know, It would take an injury for him to start. But like you look at him, I watched some of his highlights. I went to eat dinner after Caleb came out of the game after I record some of the podcast. But then I looked at his numbers. I was like, God, this guy played pretty well. And then I just watched the highlights. Like, he looks pretty good.

And so far in the preseason, he's 26 to 41 for two touchdowns. And the other guy is Tanner McKee with the Eagles, who didn't play this last game because I think they're trying to figure out, like, who's going to win the third string job. But when he started the first preseason, he was. season game. He did look really good. And I think both these guys are probably more your prototypical pocket quarterbacks, but are just individuals to keep an eye on.

And sometimes, like, when I was with the Eagles, after Kevin Cobb, who was supposed to be the replacement for Donovan McNabb, and then got a concussion week one, and Michael Vic came in and never looked back. That following year, Kevin Cobb was traded for a second round pick. Kevin Cobb wasn't very good. Like, you can blame the injuries. No, he just

wasn't that good. Kind of a weak arm. But other teams, value like this guy could be good. There's no guarantee. Like we see guys get moved at that position. I just think that Tyson Badget and Tanner McKee are just two individuals. Like I don't think the Eagles are going to get rid of Tanner McKee. Because if

Jalen Hertz were to like have a injury and was going to miss a month, the Eagles would be like, we go three and one with Tanner McKee. I think Ben Johnson the Bears would be like, hey, if Caleb got injured, we could win games with Tyson Badgett. But there gets to a point like you're not going to give the guy a

big salary as a backup. and as these guys get closer to free agency, I just think teams, this is one after the season, start sniffing around on these two guys. The rivalries, the marching bands, the upset. Saturdays just got way more fun. College football is back, baby. Think you know the game.

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It didn't exist when I worked in college football in 2008, 2009, 2007. The GM position honestly didn't start to like 10 or 11 with Ed Manowitz, who I worked with in Philly, who did it for Nick Saban. And even then, it was called the Director of Player Personnel. The title GM in college football is relatively new, I would say, within the last five or six years. And really, really prominent in this NIL era, because you need those guys to like, negotiate your contracts to run point on what you're doing in terms of your roster financial allocation. And one thing that is going to become more and more prominent, and Josh Payton, I talked about this a week ago, is these GMs aren't going to just answer to the head coach.

Because when you were the director of player personnel for Nick Saban, you answered to Nick Saban. When you were doing that job for Davosweeney or Ryan Day, like, they were the boss. They were the GM. You were doing, it'd be like being the director of player personnel and the Patriots for Bill Belichick. Like Casario became the GM when he went to Houston. When he worked in New England, he ran the personnel department, but ultimately Bill had the final decision making on everything. Well, those days are done.

A lot of these GMs now, Jim Nagy, who is the GM of Oklahoma, Andrew Luck, Ron Rivera, Call and Stanford, they don't answer to the head coach. The head coach technically answers them, but they answer to the president. They are essentially the boss of the program. And I was reading, the athletic were a really, really good article on Andrew Luck. I mean, it was funny. It was like he was just meeting with the president one day. Clearly, it had been four or five years since he had retired.

And he was just, he really missed it. And he's meeting with the president. And the president and the president just kind of asked him. And I give the president credit on this one. Like, do you want to run the football team? not be the coach, but like, do you want to run point on football? It's like, what's the job? I don't really have one.

We'll just create one around you, which is essentially what all these jobs have become in college football. There's not like a, you know, in terms of the job requirements, it's kind of learning on the fly. And Andrew Luck, like, based on Stanford's compliance, had to turn into resumes. He's like, I've never created a resume in my life. So he wrote like professional football player, reason, you know, whatever year he got drafted, 2012 till retired. His references were like Chris Ballard and Jacoby Brissette. It was just classic. But that position and that guy, whoever, if Frank keeps the job, whether, you know, Frank is just truly an interim and they go out in a coaching search,

The GM in college football, like in the NFL, they are going to run the football searches. I thought for a long period of time, one area in which Jimmy Sexton, and rightfully so, could take really big advantage of in college football as he was dealing with these presidents. And I'm sure, obviously, they have these huge endowments. But most of these professors on campus aren't making $9, $10 million a year, aren't having $50 million buy-outs. If anything, they're trying to get funding for their research projects.

Obviously, there are individuals on campus in academia that make some decent money, but nothing like the football coach. Honestly, it's not even close. Now, you could argue if 90,000 people paid to watch the biology teacher, he'd be making big money, too. And they don't, and he doesn't.

But Jimmy Sexton would, he wouldn't, he couldn't just do a deal with Howie Roseman or John Lynch, or Jerry Jones and guys like that and not have way more pushback and have a little give and take where he could bend over these colleges. And he was doing it for a long period of time.

I mean, no better example was Jimbo Fisher a couple years ago. I do think the more and more you can get people like Andrew Luck. And listen, I'm not even just saying former football players. Obviously Ron Rivera, formal football coach. I think we are not that far away. I was texting Josh Pate about this.

I would imagine in the next couple years, you see a guy who is like a number two or a number three in an NFL team. So I'm like the number three for Howie Roseman. Or I'm the number three for Jason Light. So I'm not like the number two where I'm going to become a GM next. I'm like running college. I'm like the director of college scouting. I'm going to leave the NFL where, let's say I make $500,000.

So I have a really good living. I work in the NFL. I'm doing really well and I'm on a trajectory that's pretty good. to go run Florida's personnel department for double the amount of money. And I am now the boss. And the head coach answers to me. I think there's a decent chance within this hiring cycle, this fall, but definitely the next one,

we see multiple guys leave the NFL to go run the college personnel department because they will then be the decision maker. A little bit like Brian Rolap, the new PGA Tour Commissioner. why did he take the PJ job? He was the number two for Roger Goodell. I'll tell you why. Obviously, I'm sure he got a raise, but two to really hone in his management skills.

So when Roger retires in 70 years old, who do they call? Well, this guy knows how to run it, and I've already worked in the NFL. So you could go, instead of waiting my turn, I could go run the Florida Personnel Department if I'm a 40-year-old director of college scouting. And then maybe it's going to take me six, seven more years

to become a GM. I might be interviewing for NFL teams in two or three years because they know I know how to run a coaching search. They know I know how to, it's obviously a smaller pie in terms of the financial requirements and allotments that you make to players. But it's still somewhat the same logic. If anything, it's a little bit more crazy because there aren't quote unquote a cap right now. And I show that I know how to do that. Because I know this. If I was an owner, obviously we get good candidates every once a while, right? Like, SpyTech, really good candidate. Adam Peters, really good candidate.

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