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Episode Date: October 14, 2026

John Middlekauff is back with another episode of 3 & Out, breaking down the biggest headlines and storylines across the NFL and college football. John reacts to the reported Marvin Harrison Jr. trade to the Houston Texans and what the move could mean for Houston's offense and the team's future. He also discusses Micah Parsons' criticism of Jayden Daniels' clock management, looking at the importance of situational awareness, late-game decision-making, and what young quarterbacks can learn from these moments. Plus, John dives into the upcoming Nick Saban documentary on ESPN, reflecting on Saban's legendary coaching career, his impact on college football, and the legacy he leaves behind. The show wraps up with the Middlekauff Mailbag, where John answers listener questions about the NFL, quarterbacks, coaching, trades, and the biggest stories around football. Subscribe to 3 & Out with John Middlekauff for NFL news, trade analysis, quarterback breakdowns, college football discussion, coaching insight, and the latest football takes. Follow John on Twitter, and Instagram for the latest.  18+ Only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Trading is risky. 100% loss can occur. See polymarket.com/tos for more information. The Polymarket US App serves as an independent software provider and affiliate of Polymarket US and Polymarket Clearing, the CFTC-regulated exchange and clearing organization. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The volume. What is going on, everybody? How are we doing? John Middlecoff, the Readout Podcast. Hopefully everyone is doing well. We got a lot going on. Marvin Harrison got traded. I've skipped over that topic a couple days in a row.

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Get your questions to answer here on the show. We have, if you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe for three and out. We're up on Netflix. We got stuff on YouTube. And let's just dive right into the trade market. Marvin Harrison over the weekend. was traded to the Houston Texans.

Schaefter threw it out there. There's been a trade, but there was no destination, a little bizarre. It was pretty clear after the fact that the Houston Texans had agreed to a trade, but it was contingent on them winning, right? They weren't going to trade their second round pick

if they had lost the Titans. Luckily for them, they were playing the Titans, and they won with ease. But this is a pretty quick fall from Grace. You know, it's not, very often that you see top five picks traded this quickly. You know, the last would have been

Trey Lance, which I think is a little less crazy when you factor in quarterback play is so difficult, and he came from a very small school. This guy came from Ohio State where he dominated next to other wide receivers who are currently in the NFL

dominating. So the expectation, obviously also having the name, you expected it to translate. and the Cardinals drafted him fourth overall. In 2024, and by early October 26, he's traded, which is never a good look if it's the same GM. It's one thing of a new administration,

a new executive comes in and goes, this guy's not our guy. But the GM was the one that picked him. And clearly the coaching staff, which happens all the time, it's why the moment coaches are fired and new staffs come in, good general managers sniff around their roster. Might not be scheme fits, it might not be personality fits,

and they get rid of, quote unquote, distressed assets. And that's what Marvin Harrison was. His NFL career has been extremely underwhelming. So your value around the NFL, if it was one time viewed as X, is now Y. You know, GMs and front offices love to talk about, well we had really high grades on the guy coming out we had really good reports and information

and felt really good about the guy and he was high in our draft board coming out that was two and a half years ago information has changed we're all in the business like everything's fluid things are rapidly evolving

at all times in all of our jobs let alone a job where every single game as part of your resume and two or three years in, you might be a completely different, you know, player than one expected two or three years ago. You just saw it with J.J. McCarthy.

It was a, you know, top 15 pick and boom. Two and a half years later, no one looks at them the same. How could you? So when I saw the Houston Texans give up a second round pick, I went, I think that's pretty insane. You just benefited in the Laramie Tunzel trade from a high second round pick because Washington had a disastrous season.

Second round picks are extremely valuable, especially in a draft that is viewed as much deeper than last year. Because a lot of times, all these GMs plan on hitting on those picks. If you pick the right guy, you get like a first round player on a second round contract. So you give up a second round pick for Marvin Harrison. If you look at it like a through a lens of the stock market. Let's say his ceiling, which he clearly is not at, right? If he was a stock, he'd be down

70, 80%. Could be $20 one day. Well, are you getting a big discount if you buy that stock for $16? Not really. Where you really make hay is when you get a $20 stock and you're able to purchase it for $2.5. And I think

they paid a lot for this guy. So the expectation, look at J.J. McCarthy. they got nothing for honestly when the Cowboys traded for Trey Lance and they gave a fourth round pick you went God Jerry that's pretty bold so you give up a second round pick I went

man based on what based on what he did in college like I had a high ranking front office official tell me recently that he was at Marvin Harrison's Pro Day and he said it was pretty ugly he thought it was awful. And the thing that jumped out to him

and the reason he said that is because of his hands. He's like, when I watched him catch the ball, it was very unnatural. And when you think about his comps, like he was supposed to be a route runner, you know, I would say somewhat like a Devante Adams type player. Well, what does Devante Adams do extremely well? Catch the ball.

I mean, he would say he has very, very natural hands, which is somewhat ironic because that is what his father was known for, being a natural catcher of the football. Not everyone is, right? When you think of one of the greatest wide receivers of all time, Terrell Owens, he didn't have the most natural hands. It didn't matter. He's bigger and faster than everybody else.

You know, when he's playing well, you would say DK. I don't know, has the most natural ball skills. But it doesn't mean you can't make a great catch. catch. But like when I think of great ball skills, like Parker Washington has fantastic ball skills. Watch Mike Evans on Sunday or JSN. Those guys have great ball skills. When you watch Marvin, I mean, the videos went pretty viral during, almost at spring training training camp was he was dropping everything. Now, part of that could be mental for sure. But like I also think it's somewhat of a reflection of the player.

Now, the coaching staff had clearly turned on them. They couldn't stand them. And you ask yourself, why do you think they couldn't stand them? Just because hands are a little questionable? Or because of the effort? And that is my other big question, Mark. When it comes to Marvin Harrison

is, you know, a lot of coaches will tell you, like, give me crazy and part of my job is to help rein them in. Almost take their foot off the gas pedal. Right? Because you can't teach fire, drive, desire, emotion. So a lot of the means you care. If you care, I'm willing to work with you.

But guys that don't care and every single day I have to give a kick in the ass and try to create like a dog, right, might not work. Because when you look at the NFL and I was thinking about it this morning, you know, if you remove the top elite, like Justice Jefferson's a Hall of Fame player, I'm not saying he's going to go one day, but clearly if he had a good quarterback, he's clearly a Hall of Fame level town. Jamar Chase, C.D. Lamb, these guys are elite. Let's go to the guys that weren't drafted super high, but you watch him, you go,

guys are a badass. Did you watch Pooka de Kua on Monday Night Football? Do you think you can teach how hard and physical that guy plays? Most people might not have known this name two years ago, but everyone now, if you play fantasy or you gamble a little bit, it's impossible to avoid Parker Washington. And do you know what jumps out when you watch him play? This guy fucking plays his ass off.

Mike Evans, who has accumulated a ton of money, who's already won a Super Bowl, doesn't really have that much to prove. Do you think you could teach what that guy brought to the table physically and emotionally during that game? How bad he wanted it, playing through a broken rib? And the answer is you can't. We talk toughness a lot, like line of scrimmage, linebackers,

running backs lowering their shoulder. We don't often do it with wide receivers. And the one thing you see consistently to all the top guys in the NFL is like a lot of dogs, you know. And I think that's a major question with Marvin Harrison. And I had a wide receiver coach tell me years ago when he was coming out. It's like the thing that made him nervous is he goes to Arizona and he lines up and all of a sudden across from him is a guy making $17 million. who's been to a couple Pro Bowls,

who's got two kids, who drives a Ranger over and lives in a mansion. And that guy wants another contract. And he's coming for your ass every single play. And then the next week you're getting another version of that. And the next week, it's like, does he want it? Because when you watch all these other guys play, whether they're high picks or not high picks,

who are thriving in the NFL, you watch Nico Collins play. I don't think anyone questions like, this guy, this guy does he even care that much? And that is a major question mark. In perception sometimes, whether it's truly like, like, yeah, does he like playing football? I'm sure a little bit. Like, does this mean everything to you?

Because when I watch the best players in that position, it's an underrated attribute. It's like, goddamn, this guy's playing hard. And that's a huge knock on the guy right now. So it's like, wait, you don't have the greatest hands. You don't play that hard. and what are you hanging your hat on? You know? Now, I think the counter to that is, John,

this guy for three years went to Ohio State, which is in a different universe in terms of an operation, an organization, the expectations, the overall standard in the building compared to his protein. Like, can you imagine? Like, when I look back in college, college was a joke.

I mean, an absolute joke. So once I left and I went to the real world, and for me, the real world was working in football, it was infinitely more difficult. It was way harder. And nothing could really have prepared. Like, college didn't prepare me for that. Really, like my upbringing did to keep my head down, keep grinding. and college did not.

But if you go to a place that is extremely hard, it's probably like this for doctors, maybe architects, where school is really difficult. And then you get to the actual, your job, you're like, this is actually easier. It was harder what I was doing in college.

And if you're Marvin Harrison, and you played at Ohio State where basically every game you were supposed to win, every year you're supposed to win the national championship, and then you go to Arizona, which I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but it is a clown organization. Starting with the owner,

who is a complete loser. I mean, there is, in the running in all of American sports, the Cardinals are 100% in the running for being the biggest joke. Because at least like the Browns and some of these, the jets, like they have unlimited money. Like their owners are flush with cash.

They, they're fans. care. I mean, it's not, the Arizona isn't enough fans. So I just think when you look at Bidwell, the coaching turnover, their GM, it feels like has no clue what's going on. I know he's got a Patriot background. I mean, I watch this guy operate. It's like, Jesus. And I would understand for a guy 22, 23, 24 years old, there's going to be a constant theme here. Most human beings are followers. And there's nothing wrong with that. especially young people. So they need to be led.

Well, if you go to Ohio State, if you go to Alabama, if you go to Georgia, like it's pretty easy to just fall in line and then success, breed success, and it's why it pumps out

so many high-level players. But then some of these guys come to these organizations where you're like, these are a bunch of losers. And it's easy to get swallowed up in that. And then there's a coaching change and you start thinking people don't like you.

like I would understand that and I would imagine clearly that is the Texans mindset when looking at this trade you're getting a guy who comes from great lineage who's had success at an elite program and he went to

a clown operation now we get him around Domeco and Nick Casario and we get him going in the right direction I just wonder and I think a lot of people around the league wonder like is he even good enough if you get I'm going in the right direction.

Which sounds crazy. He's just trapped in the fourth round. Or the fourth overall pick. It doesn't matter. That was three years ago. I mean, times change. I mean, fast. So I think, I mean,

no one knew who Parker Washington was three years ago. Or Pooka Nakuwa four years. Like, things changed really, really quick. If you could do it over, like would Marvin Harrison be the fourth overall pick? Of course not. Would he go in the second round based off,

based off what we know. I think that's up for debate. And the one thing the Texans and Domeco said this is all I've heard about his work ethic. He worked so hard. Which I respect, I think a lot of people in the NFL work hard. But some guys are just better than others.

I think a lot of people in society work really hard. Yet some people aren't that successful despite working hard. Because working hard guarantees you kind of nothing. There are a lot of educated people not doing shit. so you could have things that should matter that don't actually equate to positive results.

You know, like I think my question is, does this guy bring it on game day? Is he good enough on game day? Like working hard, okay, he's in good shape. Maybe he needs to lose weight because he got a little big and tried to add muscle, whatever.

But I don't think the question mark with Marvin Harrison was like, you know, he's just showing up late to meetings, leaving it. It was just, he doesn't try that hard in the games. And we're going to find out really, really quickly. Was it simply because he quit on this team and he couldn't respect him and he knew the coaching staff didn't like him?

Probably clearly some truth of that. But was that the reason for the poor players? He's just an average player. Because this notion, the perception would draft, we talked about this yesterday with Brock Purdy. Brock Purdy has had to battle for years that he's not that good because of his draft slot.

If you move his draft slot up to well Purdy was drafted six overall in the draft we would have talked about him differently the entire time. If Marvin Harrison was a third round pick instead of the number fourth overall pick even with his name he, what would he have just gone for?

Probably like a sixth. So it's just fascinating how this works. We'll see if it pays off. I mean, the Texas have a massive game this week. They're going to London. They're playing the Jags. Like, okay, great, you beat the Titans. Who are right there with the Cardinals as a laughingstock in the NFL.

Probably currently, like today, probably even a bigger laughing stock than the Cardinals. They fired a bunch of people in their executives. I mean, some people think that Sala could, and all those guys could be one. one and done. The Cam Ward situation is a nightmare. It's just a debacle. Like, it's not everyone beats them. Obviously, the Texans are way better than them.

In Texas on paper, it should be pretty solid. But like, the Jags is a different animal. And you lose, so it's like, now you're one in five. You don't have your second round pick and you got this guy? It's not like he makes decent money. Like next year he's making $5.5 million. So this isn't some, you know, mid-round pick who makes the veteran minimum.

This is a guy who, because of his draft slot, makes a decent chunk of change. Fascinated how this plays out. I would not have given that high a pick. But, you know, C.J. Stroud and Domeco Ryan's and Casario are clearly on board. So if he does take off, it'll be a poor reflection of the Arizona Cardinals.

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I was reading today, Micah Parsons, who the one thing I appreciate about Micah, I think this rubs some people in the NFL the wrong way but I've said this forever like when people get mad at me inside the NFL like people that I've said things about that you know take it personally or whatever it's like well we all have a bunch of opinions on a million things

when it comes to football everything I've ever said in regards to the NFL is all on the record yet you know we I was asked this question yesterday in the mailbag like where do these anonymous sources from, the GMs. They all have takes. They all have thoughts. Spent many years around these guys, still talk to a lot of them. They're shitting on everybody. Anonymously. There's nothing anonymous about here. And most players are no different. They're like me or you. They got takes, they got thoughts, shitting on different players, coaches, executives. Now, it's an ideal situation

to do when you're injured and not able to contribute. Probably not. But Michael will just say whatever. He'll just say what's on his mind. and today he said that Jaden Daniels probably costs my man Dan Quinn's job. He said that out loud. To be honest with you and like, I'm a big Jaden Daniels fan, but the reality is he probably costs a lot of people their jobs this past weekend. Respectfully, we get coached in all these different situations. I'm a defensive player.

And the shit's programmed to me. I even know what to do in those situations. There's no way I'm taking a sense. sack with 14 seconds left and no timeouts. And mind you, it'd be different if Jaden was a rookie. This is your third year. This is your third year. You've been to the NFD championship game. You've been in big moments. And to me, like even after the sack, you're just casually getting up. This is your job, bro. This is your job to be prepared and understand the game and understand the situation. It's your job profile. You're telling me, oh, we're going to want to pay this guy

$60 million one day? Cannot happen. I'm a big J.D. fan, but it's inexcusable. Jeez. Crushing them. The lack of preparation, lack of mentality, and lack of urgency, it just can't happen. There's just no, I said this yesterday. I saw Josina Anderson,

the chick that used to work for ESPN. Someone forwarded to me. She, like, took all these people that said, uh, the Dan Quinn, it was a fireable offense. She's like, oh, you guys, you know, she took like screenshots and like did one of those Instagram, where you talk over, you know, me and Colin on Sunday,

I think Stephen A. Smith, I would imagine every show. She's like, you're coming after a guy's livelihood. I'm like, just, just seen it. His livelihood, the guy's making fucking $8 million a year. His kids, kids won't have mortgages. Like, there's no lively. We're just saying he shouldn't be the coach of the commanders. To me, when I think livelihood,

he can fucking pay for everything. And he's been a multimillionaire for many years. And I'm not saying, like, that's not a shot at rich guys. Like I'm pro rich guy. This is the wrong podcast if you think I'm coming after him for that. My point is just his job,

I just view him as a complete meathead now. And I think he's always had vibes of that. But he's a nice guy. People like him. But that is something you can never look at him as the same. And I do think the quarterback in that situation who clearly didn't know what was going on.

And in fairness, no one in the huddle knew what's going on. I just can't look at that operation the same. I can't take these people seriously. I can't take them seriously. The head coach, the quarterback. I said this yesterday when Jaden was smiling. It's like, I just don't even, I'm at a loss, you know?

And I already didn't really take them seriously on the Lane Kiffin, the Jersey thing. It's like, that one was a huge red flag for me. And then you find out talking to people in the NFL. that it's scouted and know the situation, the mom. It's like, I'm just out on the whole deal. But I do respect talent. You know, I come from Andy Reid. I'm pro big arms, fast players, blue chippers.

You know, it's why I was slow to wrap my arms around Purdy. Right? It's why I'm slow to wrap my arms around the Dax. You know, I like the Josh Allen's. I like the Mahomes. I like the guys with the elite talent. But if you don't know what's going on, who gives a shit? and I would say

Dan Quinn standing there looking at you know the sky and Jaden just in the huddle it's something you don't overcome it really is we saw the two situations Siriani and Jaden Daniels and Dan Quinn the Siriani situation

is or I mean the Washington situation is 50x worse than Nix and Nix was bad especially because like at the end of the game the Parker Washington punt, like they were on circles around you. But we see a lot of chess first checkers in the NFL.

We don't see just completely out to lunch, staring at the sky, lost at sea, which the commanders were. And I just don't know how you're playing the 49ers this week, probably going to get your teeth kicked in. I just don't think you overcome it.

And, you know, the one guy in the league that has no problem just saying what he thinks, because everyone in the league thinks us. The one thing I was saying about Micah, everyone in the league, it's like last year, when it happened to Anthony Richardson and he tapped himself out of the game, you notice that was one time where every player was very comfortable going on the record, taught how that is completely unacceptable. His players on his own team, players on other teams, it was like gloves off.

Most of these situations, though, guys will be kind of hesitant. You're not going to see a bunch of guys around the league. Definitely no coaches touching it. If anything, coaches will just say we use this as a teaching moment. But no one will say that that's the stupidest shit I've ever seen in my entire life. Everyone's thinking that. And Micah just said literally what everybody's thinking. You just, you don't overcome it.

Like everyone's getting fired. Jaden won't, right? Jaden will get another opportunity. But I do think he's looked at it a little differently now. That situation. because ultimately the huddle is his. And I get it. Everyone's tired, long game,

wet, dreary. But, you know, the other thing Dan Quinn is, as someone, a buddy Mark texts me today, he's like, you know, what's funny about,

Kyle Shanahan is the only assistant coach ever to bear the blame of a terrible loss and no one, I have never once heard Dan Quinn's name associated with 283. It is all,

Kyle Shanahan. What's the old what's the old line? They don't boo nobody's. No one takes Dan Quinn seriously. Have they for a long time? And I feel like I'm shit. I've heard great things about the human being.

People love them. And I think Micah's coming after Jaden because Micah loves him. And as a defensive coordinator is proven to be pretty solid. You know, when he gets fired, it'll probably become a defensive coordinator and that defense will get good.

But as a head coach, the expectation, like that's just, I, you know, unacceptable. Like, what's unacceptable? Like, unacceptable is like when I snap back at my wife because Jack's yelling and I can't think. It's like, I can't do that. I got to hold myself.

No, that's, there's unacceptable. That's stupid things. Fumbling, you know, like James Cook. It's unacceptable. But it happens. Unacceptable things happen a lot. And then there's that. Which is just unacceptable is in a day.

different room than what we just witnessed there. That's just, you're fired. What did Trump say on The Apprentice? You're fired. I mean, that's, but there's no livelihood. Dan Quinn's living in homes with no mortgages. I mean, Dan Quinn's got multiple homes. Dan Quinn has printed cash for a long time now. I mean, millions in the bank on top of the cash flow that he's got guaranteed for this job. No head coach's livelihood. is ever on the line. Livelyhood is making $80 grand, having a couple of kids,

getting laid off and having no money to pay for your life. Can't pay the rent. Can't buy groceries. That's a livelihood. What Dan Quinn is, is just a guy making a lot of money who's not good at his job. That's just a fact.

And he's also owed money once he's fired to go away. Really quick on the Sabin documentary. I watched the first episode was really, really good. The first episode is about, how he brings in the psychologist from Michigan State when he was at Michigan State

and they were struggling and he was kind of teetering, maybe he would get fired. And the guy is responsible for the process. He's like your classic, you know, college professor, intellectual psychiatrist, what you think he would look like he looks exactly like. Players called the dude the wizard dude

and helped change Nick Saban forever. And his record pre this guy and post this guy, it's like, it's dramatic, right? He went all his national championships after the guy and he brought him with him everywhere he went. But I was thinking like, Nick's greatest characteristic is, one, his upbringing and his dad adds, you know, didn't give him any praise, never gave him any credit when he had success and that, you know, all of our childhood, childhoods shape us for the rest of our lives, right?

A couple key things. the way we're raised impact us till the day we die. That's just, that's a fact. And, you know, Nick, I think, his rough around the edges element of never being happy, you know, calling a staff meeting 7.30 in the morning the day after his first national championship, it goes back to that.

But I think, and so with that comes like a toughness, you know, he's a blue collar background, his dad owned a gas station in West Virginia. It's not like this guy grew up with it. a lot. Right. Like most people in the history of society, most people grow up somewhere between lower and middle class. Right. And now I think everything's been warp because of social media. And most people were kind of the same. I think about it. Like I knew the two rich people in my town as a kid. One of them had a big screen TV. I remember that being a really big deal. Only big screen TV

I knew was one guy who was like the size of a suburban. I mean, they were huge. Now I was at Costco the other day and I quick did a detour because TV's right when you walk in. In my living room was in 85 and we actually have way more room because I originally bought a 75 and I was like, how it looks kind of small because the wall is actually pretty big. Then I went 85 and then I'm in Costco and I see a 100 inch TV, it was like $1,100. I'm like, God, what a deal. I mean, you can buy a 50-inch TV in there for like a hundred bucks. I don't know how I got down that rabbit old.

But my point of this saving thing is, is what makes most coaches successful is a curiosity. And I think about like having been around Andy Reed, like he's very curious. You know, Signetti just said the game winning play essentially on the fourth. where they ran the play action play that hit March for the walking wide open touchdown in the fourth quarter that he stole last year from Kansas's head coach or Kansas offensive coordinator. And he's like, yeah, I've had in my back pocket for a while. And if you watch the ESPN did this, Reese Davis did this thing with Signetti in the

offseason. He's very curious. And I think where you find yourself getting in trouble as coaches, as humans, and whatever we do is when you get very stubborn. And I think stubborn is a natural reaction for a lot of men, especially once you have a little success. But, you know, Nick reached out to this psychiatrist when he, or psychologist, when he wasn't having success.

That's when most of us will be a little desperate. But either way, this guy that he reached out to and helped change Nick's career, even said, after the first meetings, like, I'll probably never talk to that guy again. And then like a week later, he called him. and then everything changed. The upset Ohio State, who was, you know,

Saban said like a four touchdown favorite, and they never looked back. But I was thinking about like Lane Kiffin, because everyone associates like, Lane is Nick's guy. Lane worked for Nick for like three years. At the end of it, he got fired the week of the national championship game.

Sabin fired Lane Kiffin. And when I watched Lane over the course the last couple years, it actually is nothing like Nick Sabin in terms of all. all the social media stuff, all the hoopla, because the results on his process actually are not that great. He's won a lot of games against teams that turns out aren't that good

because every time he plays a good team, historically would show you he loses a lot. And there was the great clip of, you know, the Kentucky guys, all the kids. There's nothing like college football. You know, can you imagine the NFL fans rushing the field and sprinting at the other coach and like flipping off Belichick? I guess technically that could happen now because he's in college, but the fans flip it off Lane. It was just,

it was brilliant. You know, and everyone, there are some people online like, this is so what? It's like, guys, of all the coaches to defend, Lane's trolled everyone on this planet.

If you give it, you gotta take it. And truly the guy, like Kirby Smart worked for him for over a decade. The Kirby Smart rant that just went viral, which he clearly wasn't. wasn't happy with because, you know, someone leaked it. Clearly, he didn't know it was being taped.

It's kind of a sacred place, which is always funny to me in the locker room. You can go from saying the Lord's Prayer to get up and just, you just start dropping some war chance. But in Kirby's speech, the main theme that I took away was the scoreboard, the fucking scoreboard. I don't care what it says. do not look at the score. I do not care. And when you watch this Sabin documentary,

his whole thing is like, it's not really about the scoreboard. And even the Michigan State quarterback is probably, I mean, he's probably in his mid to late 40s now. It's like, you know what? It's kind of cheesy and you think it's like pretty basic, but like when you really just focus on play to play,

you know, and every play in a football game, high school, college, or the pros, is like four to six seconds. you know, even Sabin did the math. He's like, you're playing a little over six minutes of actual football. The majority of the game is just standing there. In the huddle, lining up, it's not actually playing.

And I think we often overcomplicate a lot of things. And when you hear Kirby talk, I was thinking about this, like, Nick Saban was a very dependable person. I have known a lot of people that worked for them, and they would say, like, you knew what you were going to get every day. Phil Savage, who was former GM with the Browns, who I worked with with the Eagles,

who now works for the Rams. He did, he worked for Sabin in the early 90s with the Browns. And then he did Alabama radio for many years. After he left the Eagles in like 13, he ran the senior ball and did Alabama radio. And he's worked with Belichick and Sabin. And I'll never forget this, he said, their defining attribute is their competitive stamina,

how they can just go and go and go. But they never get too high and they never get too low, which helps them just maintain this race. Because for Nick, it's like January to December is kind of the same every year. You got spring practice, you got recruiting, you got off-season workouts, you got training camp, you got week one through week 12,

through the S&E championship game, through the playoffs, and just same thing, over and over. Most human beings, myself included, just like, sometimes we just peter out. Sometimes emotionally we get on a roller coaster. And Nick is able to maintain this like, every day is its new day. But in a weird way, like Sabin, you know, I think we viewed him through the television screaming sometimes. Like, he's just raging asshole.

And clearly he could be. But he also, like, you watch this thing, his EQ's really high. And he's pretty good with people. And there were some famous videos over the years. with him going into, you know, some different homes and dancing. It's like Nick Nolte and Blue Chips when he goes to the Baptist Church. You're like, certain guys have different pitches in their bag. Like, you watch Lane, to me, there's a lot of fluff behind it and clearly not as much substance.

Yet when you watch Kirby, it's actually all substance and not much fluff. It's not like Kirby's 65 years old. He's 50. He's essentially the same age as Lane. Yet they act completely different. And their results are completely different. And if you were thinking about it, if you were in a rut somewhere,

you were in a hole, you were down bad, hell, you were in a physical altercation, you were in a financial situation that was dire, and you had two people to call. And I gave you two numbers. And one was Kirby Smart and one was Lane Kiffin. What do you think the ratio of people would be that would depend on Kirby Smart

that would depend on Lane Kiffin. These are all people, you don't know either of them personally. Just based on everything you've seen as a football fan or people that have watched these guys from the outside. Would it be 100% to zero? And this is not the bag on Lane,

but it just shows you like media perception, hype machine, he's great at it. I mean, he contributes to this. But at the end of the day, we care about Sabin's process because he won all the games. Going back to Michigan State when he upset number one Ohio State

when no one gave him a chance. They have a clip in there of Herb Street on TV with Lee Corso that gave Michigan State a 0% chance. And it's not like he was being hyperbolic. Everyone probably believed him. And Lane used Nick Sabin to rehab his image.

Kirby used Nick Saban to become a great coach. Like, that's about it. I mean, yes, that tells you everything you need to know. You've heard the chaos. Now you can see it. Hello. My gosh.

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It kind of starts like a slither, like a snake. Then he's able to kind of get together his arms and his knees. I would say the last couple days, you look around the kids in the other room. I mean, he is just chasing the dog. We're having to plug out. outlets, it's, it's impressive. You know, today he got stuck under a chair. He had gotten stuck under the same chair a couple days ago

because he'll try to sit up and he couldn't sit up. And he let out these cries for help because he thought he was stuck. All he had to do was move himself under the chair, but I came and grabbed him. This was like three or four days ago. It was kind of, it was a unique scream. It was truly like a help scream.

today he started doing it again I'm like Jack I'm not gonna help you we're teaching some life lessons here and he kind of kept bumping his head and he almost started to cry do the yelp and then he just worked his way out so tell you man those

crawls crazy we got a guy coming to build the fence around the pool all of a sudden you crawl you start walking you sprinting that pool no one's paying attention kid can't swim hell he doesn't even like he likes the bath he doesn't like the pool water maybe he doesn't now he's

a little older. Try to put his feet in Tahoe over the summer. That did not. He freaked. We'll get to some mailback questions. Heard your Lincoln Riley take a couple weeks ago. My take. Sark is basically Lincoln with a better roster.

He's not a disciplinarian and his team show it. Texas has been inconsistent in his whole tenure. They commit dumb, undisciplined penalties you don't see from other elite programs and they're always playing with their food. Can Sark win a national championship or a minor? wrong. I do not think he can't know. I think football coaches

get to a point where you can't fake the culture that is created. And this gets back to Kirby. Kirby's culture is created through him and because he's a tough guy, they become tough. Lane and Sark are good examples of

brilliant guys, no offense, but they're not tough at all. But because of the NIL era, They can be transactional and purchase the toughness. It doesn't work like that. You take on the personality of your head coach. That's why I would just bet against those two guys. Now, they can't win games.

Now, they can't go to the playoffs. But I think both have some similarities. Lane's a little bit more reality, television star, than Sark. By all accounts, Sark, everyone likes them. Nice guy. But holy shit as teams. I mean, Yard, you put on tape and they like you said have been and this year it's like you have all this money

but everything's a transaction like they purchased uh cam colman for mabre is cam colman really that good like it is i know he's talented but i was listening to a college podcast the other day and they're like you know i think we have to acknowledge like for the hype and definitely for the money it's like, that ain't Jeremiah Smith. And I'm not saying he was going to be Jeremiah Smith, but it's like, the year, you know, Julio Jones, the year he came out. Do you know who else did?

A.J. Green. Like, that ain't a situation here. If Jeremiah Smith's the next Julio Jones, that guy ain't A.J. Green. I'll tell you that much. And listen, there's nothing wrong with it. He's a good NFL prospect. Probably have a good NFL career,

but they're just purchasing. It's like, that's not the way, this football. You got to build a team. Why does Mike McDaniel get shielded from blame with the Chargers? They won 11 games last year, same personnel on offense, only difference is no Greg Roman. I think Greg Roman's better than he gets credit for.

I've always said that. Everyone, he gets fired at all these places. I think he's pretty solid. But Mike McDaniel is not being shielded. Every day I see a headline or see a meme or see everyone. He's getting asked questions about it. I don't think he's being shielded at all. most people expect every single week for him to get fired.

Now Joe Alt is seeing a specialist, Slater's, I mean, they're in Shambles. This is going to get worse before it gets better. This is going to be a long year for the Chargers. Question for the pod. Am I the only one who thinks JSN is wildly overrated? He is good, but it seems like he's constantly schemed open and put in good situations. I think you're the only one, yes. Yeah, you're the only one.

he's good he's fucking really good he's he's he's he's legit I mean I I'd say every general manager in the league would take him without blinking an eye he's a baller

do you think the Rams consistent special teams woes hurt Sean McVeigh's legacy as a coach he's constantly listed as a top head coach in the NFL and obviously he's brilliant offensive mind leader but is he truly elite if one of the three areas of his team are among the worst in the league.

Where I think it hurts his legacy is like, he might have three Super Bowls. Like, he would have won last year. His, he wouldn't be two and three right now and finding himself in a hole trying to catch the 49ers. Like, he cuts the fat guy this morning, which it's like, I, I can't take the kicker seriously.

when he looks like that. Like you can't have a kicker that your coach is in just way better shape than. I can't have any one of my roster that my head coach is in way better shape than. And I'm not talking like bellies on offensive linemen. I'm talking about that. So you cut the kicker. I don't know. That's the easiest thing for these guys to do.

Kyle did it last year with Moody. Kyle has always been like this. They have made more of an emphasis. with it. But like, I think what really drives those type guys nuts is like they know nothing about kicking or punting. So if they just get a good kicker, they're good,

right? Because they don't have to worry about it. Well, once a guy starts missing kicks and the unit kind of falls apart, they don't really have any answers. Because like Sean McVeigh or Kyle Shanahan could coach defensive players. No problem. They could go, like for a year,

one of them could just be the linebacker coach or the deep. coach and they would be fine. But if you put them in a special team room, they wouldn't know shit, especially when it came to dealing with the kicking or in the punter. So all they can do is kind of like, Sark, we need toughness, let's go buy it. That's not really how it works.

Like Mario Cristobal, is Sark a better schemer than Mario Cristobal? 100%. Does he know more about creating an offense than Mario? Yes. Whose teams are tougher? Because you can't fake that. Just like the special teams thing is,

and this goes for everybody. You just, when you get a good kicker, you kind of get lucky because you don't have to do anything. Like, is John Harbaugh great with kickers? Or do you just have Justin Tucker forever? It's like, well, he's a special teams guy. Well, it's like, I don't know. In Philly, they had David Acres.

You know, it's like, if you get a good kicker, it just kind of works. During your scouting career, did you ever work with people that you knew were completely incontest, competent and weren't going to make it. How did you handle it? I was pretty lucky.

You know, I went to a team that had Howie is the GM, that Veach was one of our main scouts. Mike Bradway, who now works with Veach as his number two, was whose dad had worked in the NFL for a long time, who's a stud. We had Lewis Riddick, who I worked closely with. that you've seen on TV for 15 years, super high-level guy, Daniel Jeremiah, who's also on TV,

who I dropped off at the airport the day he told me, I'm going to TV, you want to come back west, you better go pound the table for that job, which I did. And Phil Savage, who ran the Senior Bowl, who's been a GM, to Alan Walking, who still works for Howie, to Brad Obie, who works for the Carolina Panthers, Sean Gustus, who works, I think, for the Vikings,

Alec Hallaby. I mean, we just had pretty high-level guys. Now, it doesn't mean you're going to agree on all the players, but in terms of, like, talent in a scouting room and work ethic and stuff, I would say the least talented scout was Grigsin, who became a GM, by far, that I've ever been around.

But I can't say that to him because he's, six, five, and he's like, ugh. It's like, I didn't think he really knew what he was doing, and then it kind of proved that way pretty quickly. But just incompetence, I would say, I experienced that when I was at Fresno State

with the AD who just never shut up about Title IX. It's like, this guy's, this guy's going to get shit canned one day. And then when I was in radio, I think it's pretty hard. I'm sure there are these situations, and I've heard stories, but like

you just spend so much time I guess you see it with coaches a lot I honestly saw with coaches more like wait this guy just kind of coach the linebackers but I also like I was very very lucky I mean my first staff had

Doug Peterson as the as the quality control guy Matt Nagy as the assistant Deuce Staley as the coaching intern Sean McDermott as the defensive coordinator. I mean, it was, we had a lot of guys that were, I mean, Duce Daley is one of the best running back coaches in the league. He just, he makes a lot of money and the Browns won't let him out of his contract.

Duce didn't tell me that, I'm just assuming, because he's been there for a while now. But, like, I got very, very fortunate that I didn't get hired by some clown team, because I would take anyone's job that I just went to a place with a lot of high-level people. for people that went on to have success. I mean, Grickson, after my first year, was higher as GM. I've always said Ryan Day and Sean McVeigh are the same. First time head coaches who are elite offensive minds

and both despise special teams. Cost them in big spots. I just think it's an offensive thing. I think it's hard for offensive people to wrap their head around kickers and punters. I think it's very, very difficult for them to do. You know, I really, I think it's, I think you see this a lot in society. You know, like, in different situations, it's hard for people to understand just the common guy.

And that they don't understand. You see it a lot with the media. You know, these highly educated people that kind of look down their nose at a lot of segments of society. And they just can't relate to them at all. And they just, they never will be able to. you know, and I think there's a lot of truth to that with these offensive coaches and special teams. The bill's roster will never make sense to me. Where does all the money go?

Not the first team to pay top dollar at quarterback and running back feel like they should have better players on defense. I actually pulled it up. So they're paying, I just pulled up the cash they're paying in 26. $55 billion Josh Allen. Not bad if you can get it. DJ Moore, 24.5. So they got two guys combining to make $70 million. Right?

I mean, what's that? 20 quarter of the salary cap. Then they got a bunch of guys 15, 19. Greg Rousseau, Dionne, Connor McGovern, Benford, Ed Oliver, Spencer Brown, Bradley Chubb. I mean, they have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven guys making 15, 16 and 19 million dollars. And Benford and Rousseau are the only defensive players.

And Oliver, but obviously he didn't play last night. So they have a lot, I guess Bradley Chubb. There's been a lot on the D-line. You know, Doc, Rousseau, Oliver, Chubb. But they do invest a lot on the offense. Khalil Shakir makes 12. Josh Palmer makes 10. Cook makes 10.

which sounds like a steal, even if you can't catch. Dawson Knox makes seven and a half. They spent a lot of money. They just, I don't know what to tell you. That $55 million, a pretty big hit. Watching Monday night football. A couple ice cold pops going down the hatch. And I had a thought.

The Rams defense comes up with a massive fumble. Offense is humming. And in what world would you ever play for a 48-yard field goal? Haven't been stopped in hours. I will never understand. was fourth down. Right? They, now I think we could nitpick them on their third down call.

They run the ball. But it's not like they kicked it, like, fuck it, let's just end the game here on second down. It was fourth and five. So could you go for it on fourth and five if you get stopped and against Josh Allen? Because we saw what happened when the field goal got blocked. Same thing would happen if Stafford trips or Pooka Nakua trips or he threw. has a bad pass. You've got to kick the field goal on fourth and five.

Now, if we wanted to nitpick some of their play calls, yeah, I mean, you could definitely do that. But I can't. You're supposed to go for it on fourth and five? I don't think you can. Okay, we'll end on this. I keep hearing these mailbags about the Eagles best candidate for the new head coach in if Nick Siriana gets the boot.

Brad Idzik from Carolina. He's the OC. and plays with Canales when Canales gave it up. If Bryce looks as good as he is right now all season and the offense keeps putting up numbers, why not? Seems like a good sleeper candidate. Well, you know what's funny is, do you know who plays each other this week? Is the Philadelphia Eagles, I just want to double check this

because I'm almost 99.9% certain. 1018. So on Sunday, they will host Idzik, Canales, Bryce Young, and the Carolina Panthers. I personally like the Carolina Panthers in that game. I saw Coker supposed to come back with my guy Joe Burrow on a biweek. I will place Bryce Young in the starting slot on my fantasy team.

Hopefully he throws for three touchdowns. But yeah, there are going to be guys like that. You know, Declan Doyle, Idzik, some of this younger guys. Listen, it's going to sound crazy, but Davis Webb is still going to get some interviews because being a head coach is different than just a play caller. And I think people will just blame Bo Nix.

But I hear you. They're just, what I like more about I'm sick than some of these other guys, who was a Jackson? Someone brought this up to me, the guy for the, the Jacksonville Jaguars, like his Idzik, Declan Doyle, who would have, like his number two.

What would make me nervous about interviewing guy like that, same with Davis Webb last year. It's like, well, he's not even calling the place. Look at Kubiak's a good example. Like mentor under all these guys and then got a chance for a couple years, two different places to call place. And it's like, well, I know Kubiak can call place.

Because I think someone reached out recently like, what about Clay Kubiak? I'm like, well, he's, in the position of some, like, Declan Doyle a year ago for Ben Johnson, I do want to see that guy call plays. Because it might not go well. Just because your, you know, coward says it's like your proximity to greatness doesn't equal greatness.

Just because I work for Jeff Bezos or Steve Jobs or Elon Musk does not mean that I will be good when I'm put in the main seat. Just because I work for Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay does not mean I'm going to be head coach. We saw it for 20 years with Belichick. all those guys got shots and they all couldn't have gone worse. So it's just, it's a hard thing to do.

I don't have a great answer there, but there are going to be some names that no one is discussing. We still got a long way to go. I do think some college names will, will definitely be in the mix a little bit. We haven't had a college coach in recent memory. I don't know exactly who that would be, but there are going to be some options,

I think, with all the turmoil and the transfer portal, you get way more time off in the off season. I guess the thing about college coaching. You make a shitload. But they work way more than NFL coaches. Like NFL coach, once your season's over, take a couple weeks off,

get the entire summer off, you get a bunch of time during draft off. You know, if your GM's a prominent guy, it's a way chiller time. But as a college coach, you are the boss. so of everything basically which is nice

in the pros you're definitely not you a lot of places the GM has a lot of juice even if you're above the GM that guy still has juice because he's in with the owner and obviously he answered the owner so there's

there's no perfect scenario right I don't care football podcasting restaurants like everything has its positives and negatives is what it is

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