The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Mike McCarthy won't coach, Super Bowl ad costs, Joe Schoen and the Giants

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

John dives into the news that Mike McCarthy has decided to sit out next season out from coaching and wonders if this decision was by choice or if he knew that the Saints had no interest in hiring him. Next, John talks about the cost of Super Bowl ads and if it's worth it and if people still watch commercials like they used to years ago. Later, he gives his thoughts on Greg Olsen speaking up about not calling the Super Bowl and Joe Schoen's comments about the Giants needs. Lastly, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 5:47 - Mike McCarthy sits the season out 16:02 - Super Bowl Ads 18:50 - Greg Olsen speaks up 22:46 - Joe Schoen is open to anything 32:37 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And today we will talk a little football. Mike McCarthy tells the Saints, or do the Saints tell him? No, Mike. We're not going to hire you. So Mike McCarthy will not coach this year. I think the question now is Mike McCarthy ever going to coach in the NFL again? Some other stuff going wrong around football from Fox getting $8 million an ad. for the Super Bowl. Greg Olson had some comments, the Giants.

Is Brian Schottenheimer already on the hot seat? He hasn't even had the job for a week. And it feels like, God, it's going to be a tough sledding for the man. We also will have a Middlecough mailbag today. At John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those DMs. And I think there will be no Fugazi Friday podcast tomorrow. We're just going to take a little bit of a breather for a couple days.

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And do you know what's crazy about Mike? And I would say this about any football coach is the power of perception. And once perception becomes your reality, it is really, really hard to shake that. And the NFL has a lot of parallels with high school in terms of the drama and how everyone kind of knows each other, everyone talks, and things make the rounds very, very quickly.

This is not like some gigantic city where one guy on one side of the city has no clue what's going on seven blocks away. Everyone in the NFL, whether they actually know the truth or not, believes they have a pretty good idea of what's going on. I can text probably three or four GMs or a ton of college scouting directors with different takes going on around,

the NFL and all of them would give me their angle, their opinion, which would be based on what they're hearing. And that's the way the NFL works. Like, why is Bill Belichick last year gets shut out with Atlanta? And this year, it'll look pretty clear. Like, yeah, teams aren't going to be that interested. Because

this negative perception surrounding him that he's just a big crumagent and a power-hungry guy. Now, in fairness, he went to college partly because he loves having power and he gets to be the boss. So he kind of validated what everyone thought. Look at Cliff Kingsbury. A couple years ago, and I feel like I'm always beating up on Cliff.

I do respect the hell out of cliff in terms of work ethic for how much players like them and how much people in the league like them. But, you know, from a coaching standpoint, I saw him be a head coach, and it wasn't really his cup of tea. Just like a lot of guys could be over there. Dennis Allen, excellent defensive coordinator, awful head coach. Iber Fluse, no business being a head coach. Good defensive coach.

Robert Sala, I would put in that bucket as well. And we've talked about this forever. there's nothing wrong with being a number two in the NFL. It pays a lot. I mean, on the low end, you're a W-2 employee, make it like $2 million. And if you get enough buzz and you get enough momentum, you can make like $4.5 million.

I mean, Liam Cohen, five years ago, was an assistant wide receiver coach, an assistant wide receiver coach. It'd be like, yeah, I'm an assistant, sales manager that just does some administrative work. And then five years later, it's like, yeah, I'm the CEO. I was making $70,000. and now I make $3 million.

That's Liam Cohen a couple years ago was probably making under $100,000. And now he's making $11, $12,000. This league is crazy. It's wild. But Mike McCarthy, the perception, and part of it's like, Liam Collins is bright offensive mind.

Super sharp guy. And listen, I'm not trying to overreact to a press conference, but also kind of weird guy, kind of a weird cat. But you look at Mike McCarthy, he's pretty good at offense. Like, he understands how to coach the quarterback. It's like, well, he coached Aaron Rogers.

And then I watched him coached Dak and Cooper Rush. How many games over the last three years did he win with Cooper Rush with that guy making plays? I promise you, Cooper Rush probably not that good. And it's when I saw that he's out of the league, like, I don't know if he's ever getting back in as a head coach. I do think he has a lot of value as an offensive coordinator. But this perception around him, and let's face it, listen, I'm someone, my weight can fluctuate. Right now I'm somewhere in the middle. I'm not as fat as I was.

not as skinny as I would like to be, but he's kind of viewed as like this jolly fat guy and this kind of just football guy, not super bright. Like I watch Mike McCarthy, I think he knows what he's doing. I watch a lot of coaches in the NFL that are completely over his head. That is not Mike. And he has got this, I would say, situation around him now where I think it's going to be really hard to shake.

And if I was a betting man, I don't think he's ever going to be a head coach in the NFL again. I really don't. Now, you can say time, sometimes. helps you gain momentum, especially in the business of football, head coach, you step away. I saw Mike do that. And then he got the Cowboys job, and it turned out he was immediately lying. Like he had made up that he had watched all member of the Cowboys tapes.

And you watch some of these guys, like, I think being fat and chubby hurts them. Because Cliff Kingsbury looks really, really good. Also good at coaching quarterbacks has never proven that he can be a head coach. Like Mike now is a long resume. It's like, well, he failed in Dallas. He went three straight years and winning 12 games. He, you know, he won a playoff game. Now he lost a couple home playoff games.

A lot of people lose a lot of playoff games. Once the last time Mike Tomlin won a playoff game. You know, John Harbaugh lost the fucking bills this year. It happens. Playoff games are hard. But I believe, and if I was Mike McCarthy, and he still wanted to coach, because I do believe he views himself and rightfully so,

like I can be a head coach in the NFL. Do you know what I would do? There are so many Big Ten and SEC teams who would die to have Mike McCarthy be their offensive coordinator. I would take what Ryan Day did with Chip Kelly. We will pay you $2.5.3 million. You do not need to recruit. We are not asking you to go sit in people's living rooms,

break bread with people's parents and grandparents. You are not going to hit the high school circuit. We want you to do one thing and one thing only. Coach offense, specifically are quarterbacks and score points. I'm watching Wisconsin, an area where he used to live for a long time. That offense is a joke. If I was Luke Fickle, the first phone call I would have made when I saw that headline is, hey, Mike, you want to be my offensive coordinator. All you got to do, coach ball.

Because, like, Belichick tried to change the perception that he's not just grumpy and he's not super angry. And it's true. Like, he's not. But when he coaches, like, that's who he is. Our personalities, once we get to a certain point in life, are kind of our personalities. I think you see it like, I don't have kids yet, but my brother has two young boys. one just turned five, the other's two. Like, I think you kind of get a feel for their personality.

And whenever I'm around, like, my parents or my mom or, you know, older people, they say, like, you can kind of tell early the way they're going to be. If they're stubborn, if they're super happy, if they're angry, like, you get a vibe for that. And I think that's no different than our personalities as older human beings. Like, Belichick isn't just going to be a completely different guy at North Carolina. He has different tasks, like he has to recruit now and talk to high school coaches, which before he did not. But like his personality in season,

like don't expect him to get in front of a Mike week four when he's playing Florida State and give incredible answers about stuff that he wouldn't do in the NFL. It's probably not going to change. And Mike's look like he's never going to be some skinny-looking sexy guy. But like, listen, I feel like I have to defend him. He's not that bad.

And you could do way worse. But he's going to have to try to do a little reboot here. And to me, I would be all. over college, and luckily right now college pays a lot. And all signs point to Kellyn Moore, being the next coach for the Saints, my first reaction was like, seems kind of crazy. Like, if you're Kellynne Moore, you're one of the highest paid coordinators in the NFL, you're with a place that's winning a lot.

Is this the job you want to take? And then I just kind of default back to most of these coaches are really ambitious. And when they get the opportunity to become a head coach, they usually. say yes. And this is not college football where certain jobs are way better than other jobs. Most NFL jobs suck. There are only so many like Matt LaFlears you get to take over with Aaron Rogers. Most of these jobs, the Jets, the Jags, the Raiders, the Saints, like all these jobs are pretty shitty. And they're available for a reason. There's not, you know, Kenny Stabler wasn't waiting for Pete Carroll. Drew Brees and, you know, Marcus Colson and Jimmy Graham.

aren't waiting for whoever in New Orleans. But if you're Kellynne Moore, you're like, I'll take my shot. I think I'm going to be pretty good at this. This division is not that great. And listen, that's how most coaches are wired. When they get the opportunity to become a head coach, they usually say yes, not no. So when you see these stories of Mike McCarthy or even Cliff Kingsbury, it's like, no, Cliff wasn't going to get the job.

And there's nothing wrong with that. Like, these people are so obsessed with PR. It's like, guys, you can't tell me it's sunny outside. and when it's pouring rain. We understand what's going on here. There's nothing wrong with not getting the job, right? And so to me, Kellynne Moore, good luck. All science points of that.

Obviously, the Eagles will not an ideal situation for them that if this comes to fruition, that they have to replace Kellynne Moore with a bunch of guys like their core is their core. Like, their offense is not going to change next year. Jalen Hertz will be the quarterback. Malato be the left tackle, Lane Johnson will be the right tackle, assuming he doesn't retire. You know, Landa Dickerson, Cam Jurgens, A.J. Brown, Devante Smith, Dallas Goddard, Seekwan Barclay. Like, their teams are team. So you talk about if I was an offensive coordinator and Kellan does take this job or, you know, an ambitious quarterback coach or run game coordinator,

I would be begging Howie for that job. Because you talk about that that would be the second coordinator now in three years to become a head coach from that operation. and I would say a 50-50 chance if you take over the Kellynne Moore and you have similar success. Next year you win 12, 13 games, you're in the playoffs, your offense is scoring some points. You will be interviewing everywhere. Some other NFL stories. Fox says that they are getting $8 million for Super Bowl ads that are 30 seconds long. So it is very, very expensive to buy a Super Bowl ad.

I think last year it was close to $7. million dollars so you factor in inflation. My overall take with this is if I was, now, I think one thing you've noticed, the Super Bowl ads, the last I would say, I don't know, half decade, it's a lot of

tech companies and some companies you have never heard of. The day and age of just, now, when I was a kid, the Budweiser's, the McDonald's, the traditional advertising companies on television have been dwarfed by

some of these companies that you've never even heard of that have way more money than quote unquote the traditional 1990s fortune 500 companies I understand some of these companies have so much money it doesn't matter I don't think like if I was in the room I'd go hey listen I'm a consumer first I don't think we need to waste eight million dollars on a commercial because the consumer now when it goes off when the game goes to commercial we no longer wait and go I wonder what the commercials are going to be during the Super Bowl. That was a huge deal. Anyone my age or older knows that if you

watched the Super Bowl in the 90s waiting for the commercials was equally as big as the game. Like I wonder what Doritos is going to do. I wonder what Budweiser is going to do. And when they did something, it really mattered. Nowadays it doesn't. Because you know what the consumer does on his couch?

Even if he's watching which one of the people, 15 of them grab their phone and go right to it. Go to Twitter, go to Instagram, go to whatever app you're using TikTok. I think you are better off spending some money if you do want to go viral and try to go viral that way. Through retweets, through reposts, because I just don't see, like, if I was a company that was on the fence, like we don't just have $8 million to throw away. Is this worth it?

I would say 100% no way. No chance. We don't consume the product the same way. Like when I was at Michael Ewing's house in 1996 watching Cowboys Steelers, or watching Brett Fav take on the Denver Broncos. We had like four straight years. I remember being in like junior high having Super Bowl parties. And we were glued when it went to commercial.

There is no chance you could find a 15-year-old, a 25-year-old, a 40-year-old that when the game, you know, when they go for three minutes of commercials, doesn't immediately grab their iPhone. I promise you. I mean, just think how we all act right now. Greg Olson said that not being part of it. of the Super Bowl broadcast and not calling Super Bowls sucks and that, you know, he aspires and plans on doing the big games again. And listen, if you were in his shoes, clearly you were pretty good at your job and you were making $10 million. And then you got demoted to the second

chair, not the second chair, but like the second game, right? Tom got elevated to the number one game. And you went from $10 million to $3 million. So any human being would be pretty rattled with that. My take has always been, one, most of these broadcasters, like, it's clear when a guy really sucks. Remember Monday Night Football three or four years ago was like unwatchable. You're like, this cannot continue. So having Aigman at Collinsworth, Tony, I think, has gotten back to being good again. It makes for an easy watch. But we're watching these games, whether basically I'm calling them, whether you're calling them, whether Troy Aikman's calling them. This is not a podcast, Right? If you just threw for the next month, Joe Rogan's like, I'm taking a vacation.

Middlecoff, this guy, this other bald guy, John Middlough, is going to fill in for me. And I just filled in. There is no way the listens would be the same. They would diminish greatly. It's like, is this middle cough guy talking to Elon? Who's this guy talking to Theo Bonn? Who's this guy pretending he knows MMA? It would not work. Because when you listen to Joe Rogan, when you listen to this podcast, you come for me. I come for him. I come from whatever I listen to. And in these games, I'm there because the Eagles are taking on the commanders.

Whether it's Tom Brady, whether it's Greg Olson, whether it's whoever. And obviously these guys, like, you want someone to be good at the job. Most of these people that run these companies are obsessed with the Internet. So they're always reading like, you know, what some overweight loser critic is saying with some newspaper. And listen, we're all critics in a certain, to a certain extent when we're watching something. We all have the opinions. But ultimately, whether I think Tom Brady's overrated or not, and I just, I don't even think, yeah, I've probably properly rated. He's not very good.

I'm watching his games no matter what, because he's typically calling the best game. So I think Greg Olson's kind of in a tough spot. Like in these positions, a lot of times it has to do with fame. and you know in Tom Brady's position he's not bad enough or he's going to get fired they're paying him a ton of money for a reason and coward said this you know a lot of it has to do with like the marketing tool you know when Fox holds these advertising um you know huge conventions or when they're pitching people like they can have Tom on the phone they can bring Tom to the event and that value is something that Greg Olson just doesn't bring to the table Chris Collinsworth like most of people that watch Sunday Night Football, which is our biggest show, especially if you're 20 or you're in your 20s or in your 30s, have no clue that Chris Collinsworth was a good wide receiver in the 80s. They could never tell you that he went to the University of Florida. His playing career actually is pretty irrelevant at this point in time. He's just entertaining. He's just good.

I'd venture to go like even Troy Aikman. People aren't like banging out his stats. Like I remember when he played that game in 1994? No, it's like, Draven's just good. And I think part of, you know, with Brady and Greg Olsey, these guys that have recent retired, I mean, the reason they got hired is because they just finished playing and they're famous. But Tom Brady is the most famous player in the history of the sport. And it's no different than if you just went around. Like, if LeBron James went to ESPN and said, hey, I'm interested in calling games, he would make $20 million a year. If Tiger Woods went to CBS, like, guys, I think I'm going to retire. I just want to call like

10 tournaments a year. They'd be like, name your price. I mean, that's, that's kind of the way this thing works. And you get to a certain level of fame, whether you're talented or enough, like you jump people in line. And it sucks. Like, if I was in Greg's shoes, I probably wouldn't be happy. But like, welcome to the business world. Another thing, welcome to the business world, Joe Shane said he's open to anything. He was interviewed at the senior bowl in Mobile, Alabama, which is just, it's got to be pretty cool from some of these people that are coming from freezing cold conditions like Cleveland, Philly. I guess Philly's probably not really represented there with Howie.

But I mean, they got scouts there. But New York, New England, and it's just kind of sunny outside, probably like 62 degrees. Got to be pretty refreshing. But Joe Shane said that he's open to anything, drafting number three overall in this upcoming draft. I think the Giants are in major trouble. And they had a good draft last year. you know, if they had just started their 10 year in 2024, I think the future would be pretty bright. But like once you make a decision like Daniel Jones, and it was one of those that's like,

you didn't just double down on Daniel Jones. Then when the cameras got behind the curtain, you reiterated multiple times. Like, we believe in Daniel Jones. We want to see what Daniel Jones. We want to make this about Daniel Jones. And then we watched him play as poorly as. humanly possible. And I just think if I was a Giants fan,

and listen, Joe's probably a good guy. I'm sure he works hard, tries hard. It is very, very difficult once you completely fuck a fan base. And whether that's fully justified or not, like how much John Mara had to do with the decision when it came to Daniel Jones.

And the Sequin Barkley thing, like obviously there are a lot of variables. He would not have been as good with the Giants as with the Eagles. Why? Because we've seen, before it's not humanly possible, but it's just hard to take them seriously. And I understand where fans go. Can this just experiment be over? Because this guy is going to have the power to draft a quarterback when next year we probably win at most six games.

It's not out of the realm possibility. We win four or five again, and then everyone's fired, and we're just starting over. That does not feel like a lot of fun. Let's get to my friends at Louisiana Hot Sauce, because it's that time of the week. where we dive into a coach, a player, maybe even a team that is really, really hot. And today, this has to do with a guy that might already be on the hot seat presented by our friends at Louisiana hot sauce. Bring the food at your big game party to a whole new level with the original Louisiana

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when, in very typical Jerry fashion, made it all about Jerry. But Brian Schottenheimer gets talked about like he just showed up to a football field six months ago. That he knows nothing about anything. And this guy's been coaching in the league for a couple decades. His father

is a legendary figure in the history of the NFL. Never won a Super Bowl would just have a fantastic career. Just a winning old school coach. And I feel like Brian Schottenheimer, unless he makes the playoffs year one, I feel like the conversation about firing him immediately. Jerry, we got to move on. Stephen, tell your dad, is just going to get louder and

louder and louder. Now, Jerry did not help this situation and created it by, I think, leaking the press release that he had hired him on Friday night. But this is a situation, it's not often, And, like, Liam Cohen had just pretty embarrassing moments when he got hired, but the way he handled the buck situation. And, like, no one will care in a couple weeks, right? No one will care. Pete Carroll, 73 years old are going to try to win. He's going to get a couple years.

This Pride Shotnamar thing, if it does not go well immediately, I think it could get really, really, really ugly from the Dallas Cowboy fan base. There's just some pent-up anger from the McCarthy era. They're still like lingering Jason Garrett's stuff because every time we turn on Sunday night football, there that redhead is just staring at us with a big smile on his face saying absolutely nothing. And I feel like Brian Schadenheimer is getting the brunt of all this past trauma.

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Because healing, empowerment, and resilience aren't just ideas, their practices. and this mental health awareness month, there's no better time to pour back into yourself. Listen to cultivating her space on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Okay, let's do a little Middlecough mailbag at John Middlecough, at John Middlecough is the Instagram fire into the old direct messages and get your questions answered here on the show.

Hello, John, for the mailbag. I think a lot of us agree the Pro Bowl is a disaster and irrelevant. I remember not long ago, and while the NBA played around with the format for the All-Star game, many outsiders came with very interesting proposals for how the game could become competitive and interesting for the players. In the NFL, I haven't seen any sort of interest for the league to keep trying radical stuff other than many games around the actual game. or too many outside voices proposing interesting alternatives.

Since this is not going away, I doubt the NFL would want to sunset this asset. I don't think I've ever heard that saying before sunset this asset, but I kind of like it. Where do you think the change will come from? I think the hard part is in basketball. I saw someone, it was on Instagram, put the list of the people in the dunk contest. I'd never heard of any of them. and it's like we just need to cancel the dunk contest. Part of the dunk contest was like really famous people used to participate.

Some of the best players in the league. It was a really big deal. It's not anymore. So it's okay. Just like, just cancel it. Now, the problem is these television networks spent a lot of money for these properties and would like something to broadcast on a Saturday night or in the football situation Sunday afternoon, right? That's usually when the Pro Bowl was.

In basketball, it's simply effort. Like, guys just don't try. try at all anymore. But you can play a pickup basketball game without getting injured, right? They don't need to play like it's the NBA finals. They just need to give a little effort and it's pretty entertaining. I've watched a lot of NBA All-Star games in my day that weren't, you know, playoff level intensity, but it was still a fun watch.

Football, you're either all in or all out. Because you can't, once they got to the point where it's like this is a joke, no one wants to get injured, no one wants to get tackled, and do you blame them? You can't half-ass football. It's why tanking doesn't really exist. It's why bad teams constantly beat good teams down the stretch. It's why on any given week, especially the last couple weeks of the season, when teams should just be playing for draft status, they win,

because you can't dip your foot in the water. You basically got to jump into the deep end when you play the sport. and it's the only sport of all the major sports where you can't really play a pickup football game right, you know, in college or the pros. You're either playing football or you're not. Like, I could do a pickup basketball game. I can do a simulated at bat.

I can't run O-line D-line if they're not wearing pads. I can't run a real football practice and call it football if they're not wearing pads. And I think the padded days are done and that's created, I think just, I don't blame players, right? If I am a guy and I make $20 million a year and I'm playing pretty well, but if I were to get injured, I'd get cut.

Like, I'm not risking that amount of money for Pro Bowl. And you could argue they were always making a lot of money. I just think the mindset is shifted and there's so much money on the line. I think that just had a huge, a huge impact. What genetically modified fuckery is this sickness? I know you went through it. I've been on my deathbed since Saturday. Had a national sales meetings in Miami the week prior crazy awful sickness suggestions.

I just, it was awful. I got back-to-back IVs. Like I probably spent $400 on lady coming over in my house. Got back-to-back days IVs. I drank a ton of. Gatorade and water. I just slept. I mean, it sucked.

I don't get the flu often, but when you get it like that, man, that was awful. Seeing all the international locations, good luck, buddy. Announced for the games next year in Europe. Do you think the NFL will ever bring a game to Australia or are we too far away?

There is a massive support for the NFL here, and Aussies will get around any sporting event. Do you think it could happen? I think I've said this before. I think one obstacle is the time zones and the travel. So I just think it's a long way to go. You know, I mean, my dad, I went to New Zealand when I was like 13 with my dad.

He used to go with his dad for like a week during Christmas break. You know, my dad was a farmer, so they didn't have that much to do during the winter. And my grandpa and my dad loved a flyfish, and they used to go there, and they met this guy. And they went years and years. and I went I just remember the flight was really, really long. And this back in the day, all I had was like a CD player

with like two CDs. So it's probably an easier travel now if you're sitting on the plane, but it's a long. These NFL teams do not want to go that long. Name for your fans, the coffins. Someone asked me if I had a name for the fans. Here's another one. The podcast is called Three and Out.

So listeners would be called the fourth downers. Appreciate all the hard work. The coffins and the fourth downers. It's kind of funny. The coffers. Fill in the coffers means to add funds or a resource. Your fans are just your most important resource.

You guys have a little creativity to you. Any explanation why the Ravens again deviated from the offensive philosophy in the playoffs from what brought them so much success in the regular season? Well, they clearly like their offensive coordinator. because I just saw a headline, he got a contract extension. Now, I wasn't thinking he was going to get fired, but he had a rough little stretch back-to-back playoffs. I just think he gets, I think he gets in his own way.

Like, this is not about style points. No one has any clue how many yards Patrick Mahomes just through for. If you put a gun to my head right now, I could probably get within 20 yards, 190 yards, 210 yards? No one cares. just like the week before when the bills beat the Ravens no one cared that Josh didn't throw

he played winning it's about winning the game it's the only thing like style points matter in the regular season like to win MVP's to rush and pass for a lot of yards to get ranked high like that matters to coaches and players that's how you get paid as a player nothing matters in the playoffs just have more points the other team

when the dust settles there's no such thing as style points in the playoffs so I don't really know what to say beside I think he gets caught up and trying to pass the ball. Rams fan. I don't know if I've ever been this gutted after a loss. Mainly because of the immense high with Puka's sideline catch, followed by a small mistake by the center,

leading to Carter's sack of Stafford out of a legacy securing second Super Bowl. On top of that, to see McVeigh crying after the game and the utter devastation on the player's faces, it has me wondering how these players and coaches who are ultra-competitive deal with the losses. From your perspective, do these kind of things follow them throughout the off-season? Or is it pretty much cured after a trip to Cabo? I would imagine Kyle, for instance, still wakes up in the middle of the night tormented by the Atlanta Falcon Super Bowl loss.

Would love to hear your thoughts. You know, I think it depends as a coach or a player where you're at in your career. I think, you know, if you make it to the NFL, let's say as a player, let's say I'm Matt Stafford, right? I think you have a pretty good appreciation for winning and losing, given that you lost a lot with the Lions. Once you win the Super Bowl and accomplish the biggest goal, that probably motivate you

to try to do it again. And then you're in this situation, like you've played in the playoffs enough now, you realize what's on the line, and then you complete that pass. we're all human beings. It can't help it cross your mind. I even saw Sean McVeigh. There was not any thought in his mind that they weren't going to win that game on that final drive. And then the level of devastation. So I just think that I don't want to say guys get numb to it because losing sucks and winning is fucking incredible in any walk of life. but for most of us winning and losing

isn't like as finite on a weekly basis like it's just the game ends and in football each playoff game's a game seven so I just think it's a complete kicking the nuts and you're just you're just shell-shocked

but like any human being after a couple days like you eventually got to pick yourself back up like you said go on vacation If you're a coach, they usually get a couple weeks off, go on vacation, hang out with your family, get back to just getting a sweat in, have some beers, hang out with some people.

I don't think it's that much different than normal human beings, right? The difference is they're used to losing. Like, you have a great season in the NFL, you lose five times. You go 12 and 5. The Rams had a really good season. They lost seven games. each regular season lot, the playoffs is worse because there is no next week, but you see the locker rooms after wins in the regular season, right?

How happy they are. Dan Campbell has gone viral because of his locker room celebrations. Well, losses are the same. It's why, you know why Andy's such a good coach? Because he's not a big high-low guy. Like, you watch some of his post-game celebrations. They're not like, I watch his post-game celebration for the Chiefs when they beat the bills.

He's like, everybody, meeting tomorrow, two o'clock. If you notice the teammates not in here, make sure you tell them. Again,

meeting two o'clock. And, yeah, let's say a prayer and enjoy the night. It's like, it's not, you know,

Sean is very emotional, which I am too. I have much more in common with a personality with Sean than Coach Reed in terms of high and low. So if you're a high and low guy, it's,

it's really, really hard. You know, I think if you're Puka Nakua, it sucks to lose, but how could you not think, like, well, I'm going to play in this league for right or wrong. I mean, an injury could end your career, but you're just young. You're in your second year. Like, I'm playing this league for another 10 years. I'll be back. That's not necessarily true.

I also think that's why it's so captivating, right? It's so captivating. It's why everyone was on the edge of their seat in the Bill's Chiefs game because you knew what was on the line. And you watch Josh Allen's face in these press, like, it really, really hurts. But I bet if you were, I would assume Josh Allen's playing in AT&T, Pebble Beach this weekend. Or maybe they, are they even doing that anymore? Maybe they don't even have celebrities anymore. It could be wrong on that.

So maybe he's just, who knows, hanging out with his fiancee. It's calmed down a little bit now. But like you said, there are things that I'm sure come into his mind throughout the offseason. And then I also think you use it to your motivation, right? There's only going to be one team and group of players and coaches. They're going to be really happy. Every other team is really devastated. And the teams, every other team beside the Eagles or the Chiefs,

and obviously one of those teams would be included in this is, like, is it really that devastating when the giant season ends? Like half the players probably checked out, right? But if you're the Packers and you lose in the first round, like, that's pretty gutting. If you're the commanders and you're just like, you start thinking Super Bowl and all of a sudden you lose. So I think you just, you don't get,

numb to it. I never did. I always was like the ebbs and flows of winning and losing. But I think for players, you just get so used to it. Coaches get kind of numb to it. It's like, how do coaches handle injuries like to handle it? It's like your best player is just laying there. They're like, next man in. It's just part of the business.

You just, you know, to be successful, you want to be on more wins than losses. High school coach from Hawaii and looking for some insight. I'm currently making the jump from OC to head coach? What are some things you've seen in college in the NFL that have been successful or unsuccessful when making the same coordinator to head coach jump? I think two keys here. One is you have to stay true to yourself. I think be authentically you. So don't try to be,

let's say the guy you're replacing was your mentor and he did things a certain way. And if you're going to do them different, do them different. Do the things that you do, because, you want to do them. That is very, very important. I also think there is a separation. Like, when you're a coordinator, it's different than being the head coach. When you're the head coach, like, there are some things,

like, you're going to have to balance, like, you're the boss. So from your coaching staff and your players, like there has to be some sort of authoritarian figure of, like, the buck ends with you. You know, if something is not right, it's on you to fix it. it and it's on you to hold everyone accountable.

I'm not saying like you need to intimidate people, but you, there is like, and you do it through your actions, not you don't have to be super big or, you know, some raging asshole, but like, hey, this is, this is what my expectations are and anything else won't be accepted. That's with your coaching staff and with your players. So to me, communication, you're going to have to communicate probably five times better than you used to because now you're talking to everybody and that's with your coaches as well. But I would say don't be fake. Don't try to act like, you know, a coach you watched on hard knocks or you watch, you know, act like Sabin because you think that's Sabin acts like he's saving because that's Sabin.

I saw a clip the other day. He said like when he was at Michigan State, he was getting so frustrated because all the reporters and everyone that covered the program just said he was the biggest dick of all time. And everyone just said he's like miserable to be around. And he goes to Miss Terry, his wife, and goes like, this. This is crazy. Everyone thinks I'm just the most miserable human being alive. And Terry looks back at him and basically goes, have you looked at pictures of yourself? Have you watched the way you conduct yourself during press conferences?

Why would they think anything else? And Nick said it like infuriated him and then like later that night or the next day, you realized she was right. And he realized there's a balance. Like he started, you know, trying to communicate better with just, it's different high school. But like people that cover the team is his, his. coaching staff. So you just,

you got to be very cognizant of like everyone's looking at you, even in high school, like all your players. And, you know, for in high school, their parents. So it's a lot of pressure.

Like, you're going to have bad days. You kind of, I don't want to say fake it and not show it, but the way you, you know, your mannerisms, that goes for anyone that's a boss.

Like, if you're in a miserable mood, like it impacts everybody. When you're coordinating, it's like, whatever. I would say the two coaches that I was around a lot, they just acted like,

normally act. I mean, Coach Hill just acted like Coach Hill at Fresno State. I mean, he was just himself. And Andy, they were very just comfortable in their own skin. Now, both of them by the time I got around him, had been doing it for a long time. But I would say just be yourself. Given your history of Cal Poly, Fresno State in Philadelphia,

in football operations-related roles, have you ever had an awkward or uncomfortable in-person run-ins with people who currently work for college football or NFL teams? because of your takes or opinions as a podcaster and media personality. If so, have you dealt with those situations in real life? Yeah, Ryan Grickson got really mad at me. Thought I was like stonewalling him, like hurting his chances for a job or something. Yeah, people get pissed off.

I've had people that I like get mad at me. And what are you going to do? You just, like I just told that guy, you just say what you think. I'm no different than anyone in the NFL. They have every coach and GM and assistant GM. could host a podcast with their opinions. They talk, and I don't even feel like I'm talking shit. I'm just saying what I think, no different than any of them.

Everything I say is public. And, like, I don't think I'm off the beaten path that often. Now, I did say something that I knew last year got into the Giants building about, like, wink Martin Dale and Dayball. And last year at the combine, I got on the elevator, and Dayball is right there. He's looking at me. And I was just like, yeah, if this guy's going to yell at me, I wouldn't, I wouldn't blame him. He has the right to be mad. He didn't say anything. He's like, he maybe didn't even

realize who I was. I assume he didn't. Or maybe just, I don't know, didn't want to get into a, not like a scuffle, but I was prepared. It's like, okay, I'm sure I'm going to hear it here because obviously that was a really public situation. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't really think about it that often, to be honestly. I don't really care. But yeah, I mean, I'm sure. I've actually got way more positive people. that I didn't know in the NFL that liked the show, that find a way to reach out and develop, you know,

people that I would not have known without this more often than any of that. It's a weird business because, you know, we're talking about this stuff. They are human beings. But also, like, I, having worked in the business, like, you know, not everyone, if I don't think you're good,

when I'm supposed to pretend I think you're good. It's why I'm much more comfortable being hard on coaches and front office people than players, because I have, like, it is, I've said this, and I will say this till the day I die, it is infinitely harder to make the NFL as a player, even if you are, quote, unquote, you know, like a practice squad,

I was going to say scrub, but you can't be a scrub to make the NFL. But when you're scouting, like, you get kind of jade, you're like, this guy sucks, this guy's okay, this guy's good. Like, even some of the worst players that are in the NFL, it is way more difficult to accomplish that than it is to become a position coach in the NFL. And there are way more people that are coaching in the NFL that should not be. There aren't many, there's nobody that's playing in the NFL,

especially like an initial 53 or plays in the game that probably should not be playing in a game. Obviously, they might get replaced or might be better guys coming up, but there are a lot of people in NFL circles that are complete for us, non-player. It's why I have no hesitation. And obviously the good coaches are the good coaches for a reason. But that's like any industry. You know, I mean, there are talented people and they're less talented people and there are people that are just scam artists.

Like, you can't scam your way as a player. Like, I can scam my way as, you know, a team president. I can scam my way as a coordinator or hell, sometimes a head coach. As, you know, the assistant. I hear stories all the time about this. This guy is one of the biggest frauds. I saw it with my own two eyes. It's like, this guy's not any good.

And then you watch the guy go on to become something. You're like, what's going on? But like, you can't fake. You know, it's like, hey, I had 12 sacks at Ole Miss. You either did or you didn't. Right? You can't bullshit your way to the NFL as a player. You can in the other positions, especially in coaching because you just know the guy.

Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast. called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.

We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band.

Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going. down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas.

And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy,

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Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam, Isaiah Thomas? And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about Define the Odds. like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before.

And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything.

everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that, Izaa,

you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This week on Crimless, we're joined by our first ever guest. Sorry, our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the pair.

I'd be too nervous. That's right. The very funny Will Ferrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers. What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing?

Simple assault. And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not. I say we invest and we see. There's only one way to know. This did not amuse the cops. By the way, normally the cops are amused, but this did not abuse the cops. Will even comes clean about some of his own crimes.

I didn't get caught. You know why? If you don't want to be suspected of anything, you whistle as you walk. Listen to crime list on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. You always say that until proven otherwise, there are certain organizations like the Jets, the Jags, the Falcons, the Dolphins,

that you will continue to bet against. I was curious, and as someone who has been part of a successful organization, what do you think franchises such as these need to do internally to change your long-term outlook on them going into the next season? So that, quote-unquote, will stop betting against them. ironically I bet against the dolphins this year and I lost money I bet against the Falcons

and I lost money like whenever I bet against these individual teams I lost money I did bet against the Jets one time and when the vividly stands out I think playing the Colts it was the Colts game it's funny I could never get those teams figured out the Jets you I mean at a 10 loss streak

I would say I saw a quote I think yesterday or two days ago that Woody Johnson said that he poo poohed the article that came out on the athletic said it was a lot of hyperbolic headlines in there that were

fabricated. But he needs to be a better owner. That he needs to do a better job in his role as an owner. And in my experience, though I wasn't in meetings with like the owner and the coach and the GM, it was pretty.

clear that Howie and Andy got to cook, right? And if you watch them now, like, Veech and Andy just get to cook, right? And Howie gets to cook. I'm not saying that those two don't deal with Clark Hunt or Howie doesn't deal with Jeffrey Lurie, but they are empowered. So when you hire these people, you have to empower them, and then if they're good, they will take your franchise to be a consistent winner. Even as you hit Rocky Times, like you don't, you're unfaced. I think a lot of the these owners because when they hire, they're constantly hiring new people, right? Hire this guy. He sucks. Fire this guy. Hire this guy. And they're always very, very involved. And it's hard for them not to micromanage because they go, oh, this is not working. And I think

it's very, very hard to overcome that. It's like when you are a head coach or a GM and you're constantly having to deal with the owner's ideas, it can be very, very difficult. And listen, it's unavoidable. And ultimately, if they want to have an idea or chime in, it's their team. They can say whatever they want. But I think that's a huge problem here. So, like, when I think about the Falcons, is it random that Arthur Blanks always on the fucking field five minutes before the game? Or, I mean, at the end of the game, he's always standing there.

Like, he likes to be a star in this organization. It feels like he's got a heavy hand. Rich McKay is the executor of his estate and is the team president. I mean, it just feels like they're very, very involved. The dolphins, I mean, that owner's nuts. I think the Jags just to hire awful people. I think Woody Johnson clearly. I think it's an ownership deal.

I see it with the Raiders. I think it's hard for Mark not to get involved. I think for the first time, I think he did it with Gruden, and then he hired these other people, and then he got back involved, and now I think he's hoping with Tom and Pete, he can just kind of stay out of it. I think that's a key.

Is your owner constantly bugging you with stupid ideas? And if he gives you an idea, what are you supposed to do, not do it? It's like when your boss says something like, kind of insinuates, like, yeah, should probably do this because it's pretty clear he wants this done. And in fairness, like some of those owners medal, like they hire, like the Jets weren't wrong for hiring Robert Solomon, hot coaching candidate.

It just turns out like a little over his head. Being a head coach and back to the guy asking me about the head coach, I can't speak. I mean, I haven't been around high school football since I was in high school in 2002. but I think in college football in the NFL, as a head coach, you're doing so many tasks that don't revolve necessarily around like a football play or coaching a guy's like footwork up. You spend a lot of your time as like a guidance counselor, helping young people out, a guy having a bad day, just talking to him,

a guy struggling in football, building his confidence back up, a young coach like kind of riding him, trying to push him to be better. You spend a lot of your time doing that type stuff. And obviously in college and the pros, then there's the media stuff. There's the promotion for your program. I saw Andy on McAfee today. There's a lot of other things that you have to do that if you're just a linebacker coach or the offensive coordinator, you don't have to really worry about.

So you kind of, it's a lot of these guys get put in these positions. Like, it's why a opening press conference, if you're opening press conference is not a home run, it's a red flag. because nothing after that opening press conference is easy. The entire offseason is hard. You now run free agency, the draft. Everyone's asking you questions. Like, what do you think about this coach?

What do you like about this coach? You like this player coach? Hey, coach, we've got this guy that wants to play with you. Hey, coach, the offensive coordinator has a question. Hey, coach, the special teams coach wants to run a couple things by you. Like, it's just constant. Hey, the owner needs to talk to you. Hey, the AD needs to talk to you.

You just got to be able to balance your time. and not get too stressed out, which I think is why older coaches, you know, there's a reason like you look around, you know, I mean, look, the Eagles hired Fangio and their defense is dramatically better. Well, Vic Fangio is like 60 plus years old. He's been coaching for a long time.

He kind of knows what he's doing. So guess who no longer has to think at all about the defense? Nick Siriani. So what does Nick have to worry about? Like keep an eye on the offense, deal with Kellyn and, you know, Jalen and just kind of the team messages. He does not need to worry about the defense. That's nice to have.

Hell, and Andy is one of the greatest coaches of all time. Like, he talks to Spags a lot, but it's not like he's telling him what to do. Like, he doesn't, if I told Andy on a given week, like, you're just not allowed to say a word, a game week, starting on Monday through the end of the game. You can't say anything to Spags all week long. You can't even ask him what they're doing. you, beside the team meeting or whatever, you're not even allowed, this is an experiment,

to talk to the defensive players. He'd probably sleep well at night. Some coaches would have a heart attack. So it's like, who are your assistant coaches really, really matter. I've been 25, been a Bears fan in my whole life, and never have been more excited about our offensive chances for the next season.

With that said, our offensive line needs a major overhaul. How would you begin architecting a line that could protect Caleb Williams and run Ben Johnson's offense. What traits do you look for in an O-Lignment when you're scouting? Well, I think it depends what kind of offense you're running. If you run the Shanahan Zone scheme, I can get by with less talented guys that are more athletic. Everyone would want the same star lineman.

Like they would play in any scheme. Panasool. The Niners would take them. the lions would take him, the chiefs would take him, the Giants would take him, he'd start for every team in the league. Right. Tristan Worf's, Lane Johnson, Trent Williams. Those guys have it all. Size, strength, athletic ability, power, smarts, just feet. I mean, they got it all. Most guys, though, it's like some guys are not as good of athletes, but they're very, very powerful. And other guys are much better athletes than they are strong.

So how do we want to play? right you know when I watch the lines they could kind of do it all why because they had an elite offensive line their guys were athletic they were strong they could run zone schemes they could shove you off the line of scrimmage uh the eagles can do the same thing like lane johnson jordan mylotta landin dickerson like these guys can play in any scheme so do you you know is ben johnson scheme dependent like because if i'm going to run more zone scheme than i kind of emphasize more athleticism if i'm going to run more of like a gap power scheme, which I think most teams do hybrids of them both.

I think you just need to get guys that start, right? So I need guys that are just solid starters. I think that's a key when you look at personnel. So you go, how many solid starters do we have on our offensive line? Do we got one? So do we need four guys? Can we upgrade four guys in offseason? Probably not.

But can we add like two solid starters? Let's say it's like a center and a guard or a right tackle and a guard. potentially three. Do we sign a couple guys in free agency and draft two? It's hard. And then you also, I haven't seen who their offensive line coach is, but that hire for a young coach is huge. You know, one of the biggest benefits that the Eagles have

is they've had Jeff Stoutland since I was there. They hired Jeff Stoutland when Chip Kelly came on. It's 2025. Jeff Stoughtlin has been there with Chip Kelly, he's been there with Doug Peterson, and he's been there with Nick Siriani. And guess who's had consistently one of the best offensive lineman, or line? Lines, uh, Jeff Stowland and the Eagles.

So it's like when you get a really, really good offensive line coach, that guy can make Jordan Milata in the seventh round into a Pro Bowl left tackle. That guy can take young players and immediately plug and play him as starters. So it's like, you know, Ryan Wendell, who was the assistant coach for the Bills, who when I was in Fresno State, he had just went to the NFL. He played for a long time for the Patriots for Dante Scarnacia and, you know, was like a fringe starter, started some games. Now he's become a no-line coach. McVeigh hired him.

Look how much better the Rams offensive line is the last couple years. It's like Andy Reid has a good offensive line coach, but Andy Reid is also an offensive line guy. Like that's what he played. So he's very comfortable coaching that. Harbaugh loves offensive linemen. So it's like he emphasizes drafting those guys, recruiting those guys. But he also likes talking to those guys, hyping them up, and coaching those guys, and being around those guys. So you kind of get what you emphasize.

And if I am Ben Johnson, I do exactly what we just did in Detroit. And luckily, they already have some skill guys on the roster, right? You got a quarterback, you got a tight end, you got a couple receivers. It's just all about investing in that spot. And I'm pretty sure, like, when they got there in Detroit, Ragnow was all. already there. He got drafted. Yeah, he got drafted, Matt Patricia.

He got drafted in 18. But, and Decker was there as well. But they drafted him in A Sewell. And that was a game-changing move. Now, this Bears team's not drafting. I don't even, what's their pick? Eight, nine, ten. I was just drafting offensive linemen.

It wouldn't even be a question. Offensive linemen. If you had to pinpoint, why do you think defensive coordinators taking head jobs and instantaneously become CEO head coaches that give up play calling, opposed to OCs who turn into head coaches that say they will call plays. It's so interesting to me because they are hired upon the fact that their defenses are good. That's a good question. I think part of it is, you know, part of being an offensive coordinator and becoming a star

offensive coordinator is you're kind of like the orchestrator. You know, you're the director of a movie. You just, you are orchestrating these 11 guys, like you're running the place that the defense has to react to. As a defensive coordinator, ultimately, your job is like half motivation and obviously half scheming. But a lot of your scheme is taking educated guesses, what they're going to do.

As an offensive coordinator, I'm creating something that they don't know is coming. So my skill, like part of why it's so hard to find a good defensive coordinator is they got to obviously really understand scheme, but they also have to have like this pretty special motivational presence. Like, if you just watch Vic Fangio around dudes, like he's this old, chubby,

kind of smaller white guy and ask any human being that's ever been in a meeting room with him, like he commands respect. One, he's just kind of an old school crumagion and two he really knows what he's talking about. So it's like when you watch Aaron Glenn, like a huge part of his thing,

It's not just calling like corner blitzes or, you know, teaching guys how to tackle. It's like leadership, right? It's motivation. And as an offensive coordinator, like, is Ben Johnson, quote unquote, motivating people? No. He's fucking calling incredible routes for St. Brown and Leporta and working on Jared Gough's footwork. So he gets the ball out of his hands on time and running plays that are going to work. So I understand why coaches do it.

Because they go, I can find someone who knows a decent amount as the same level of schematically as I do. Like we're on the same level. But like my motivation, then it's on me to also motivate the offense, right? And just motivate the team. Like, I'm a motivator. Like, that's why Aaron Glenn got hired. He's motivator. Pete Carroll's a leader motivator, right?

Clearly they have to know football and no schemes against offense. But, like, Pete Carroll's job is to, like, lead the troops. That's Aaron Glenn's job. Like, that's kind of Dan Campbell's job. And it's Johnny Morton's job to scheme guys open. If Johnny Morton in two years gets a job out of the Lions, he will call plays. And if Shepard, you know, it's why I do appreciate Damico Ryan's. Like, he's calling plays.

Ideally, I would like you to do both, right? But some guys don't. Like, is Ben Johnson going to be, he's not going to be some great motivator. That's not going to be his thing. so he's going to be other guys on staff to kind of play that role. And in general, you have different guys talk to the team. But commanders fan here. Obviously, this team accomplished more than anybody could have imagined at the beginning of the year.

Jaden has implemented himself as our franchise quarterback, but outside of Jaden and Terry were an obvious skill disadvantage at pretty much every position when we play good teams. This offseason, what do you think the commanders need to do? I would look for two positions. I know you guys have some interesting running backs. I would try to draft like my Jemir Gibbs, my Alvin Kamara, my Sequin, my Christian McCaffrey. And luckily, this draft is loaded.

So on the second day of the draft, either in the second or third round, I am picking a running back. And with the first round pick, I think you go any position. You know, I think you could take a tight end easily. I don't think I would take a wide receiver in the first round. I would take offensive linemen, defensive linemen, or tight-in. I would take something in the line of scrimmage.

And in the second round, I'm just taking a running back. And ideally, like, can we get a dynamic running back that just takes a little pressure off Jaden? Because you just don't want him to be Superman every fucking game. Question for the mailbag. Scott Echieffler's 2024 season

was the most dominant since Tigers 07. Both winning seven tournaments in just one year. do you see Sheffler maintaining this level of performance this upcoming season? Seems like now more than ever, golf needs a tiger-like figure to help the decline in ratings and viewership. I would imagine Scottie Sheffler's going to keep kicking everyone's ass

and win. I don't know if he's going to win seven times, but I would put the number at like four or five. I'd be stunned if he doesn't win a major this year. But there is no Tiger viewership. You know, those days are done. It wasn't just that Tiger was such a transcendent figure.

Obviously he, you know, one, there wasn't any black golfers. His name was Tiger. Technically his name's Eldrick. But like, he is the most unique figure of my life in any sport. More than Michael Jordan, more than Tom Brady, more than juiced up Barry Bonds, more than now LeBron or Steph, partly because he took took a sport that is not mainstream, that is extremely, let's face it, I mean, before Tiger Woods, it was

just known as a super rich guy sport. Now golf, you know, I mean, it's still pretty expensive to play, but I mean, it's proven, like you don't need to be a member at a country club to play golf. But there will I feel pretty confident saying this, there is never going to be another Tiger Woods in my lifetime.

They're just just not. He looked different. He played different. And again, his name was fucking Tiger. I don't know if, Tiger Woods is as big, even if he looked the exact same, and his name was Robert Johnson. And his dad, instead of Earl Woods, was like, James. I think there is, Scotty's a great player, but that ain't happening again.

It's just not. That being said, I kind of like Scottie Shephel to win this weekend. A Dolphins fan here. My question is, for the mailback, what the hell do the dolphins need to do actually, do to actually become competitive. McDaniel and Greer are staying, at least for this upcoming year, and Tua's injury prone.

Would love to hear your thoughts on the dolphins don't really get discussed on the pod for obvious reasons. I think we kind of see who Mike is. He's just not a tough guy, and I don't think you fake toughness. When you think about, like, the best teams, like the Ravens are tough,

not just because, like, well, we got a long history of being tough. No, like, John Harper is a tough guy. And they draft tough players, right? Jim Harbaugh's teams are always tough. Why? Jim's tough. You kind of are what your head coach is, and I think it's very, very difficult to overcome Mike McDaniel.

He literally went on a rant at his end of the year press conference saying, fines don't work, guys are showing up late all the time. Well, he's not talking about the guy in the practice squad, because the guy in the practice squad would never show up late. Why? He would get cut. He's not talking about backup players because those guys would get cut as well.

Who can't afford fines? Look at their roster. I think it's fair to assume it's not to a Tonga by Loa. So is it Jalen Ramsey? Is it Tyree Kill? If your best players don't respect you, you have no shot. And I think, like, listen, he's got this cool look. He's got this $100,000 watch and these $1,000 sunglasses.

And that shit was cool year one. He's got the curly hair rocking now with the gel. And he kind of looks like a drug dealer. It's just not funny anymore. Because when your team plays a real game and it's cold outside, we expect you to get your ass kicked. And listen, it's one thing for me as a podcaster or you as a fan to say that, literally as players stopped respecting him.

And last year when Fangio left and was like, this place is fucked up. And all the players were like, he's such a dick. Ask the Eagles. Is Fangio a dick? Or is he just really good coach and good defensive coaches are kind of hard asses? And being a hard ass in the sport of. football, this isn't basketball, kind of matters and kind of works.

I'll promise you this. No one's showing up to Andy Reid's meetings late over and over and over again. Not tolerated. One, they respect them. So I think when he said that, I thought, whoa, they don't respect the coach. And in fairness, he was not alone. Shane Steichen said the same thing after Pat McAfee called him out. And I think sometimes with these offensive coaches that are quote unquote wizards,

Okay, you're really smart. But like, are you a tough guy? Because you know who's not scared of confrontation? Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Mike Vrable. Like, eventually, you just get into these, like, no, this is not going to be tolerated. Listen, this is hard. I mean, you might not tolerate. The guy might be your starting guard, six foot six, six, 300 pounds.

Mike McDaniel's going to tell him something? Clearly not. I'll promise you who would. Belichick would have Vrable would have Pete Carroll will Andy ain't scared I'm not saying

they're going to come to blows but like there has to be some sort of intimidation factor aka mental warfare and I think Mike and Shane are they kind of getting worked over by players

that's what it feels like and that's when you get like are you kind of over your head for this job I would assume if you got Mike McDaniel or Shane Stuyking inside a whiteboard

and you took all the top offensive guys, starting with Andy to McVeigh, to LaFleurre, to Kyle, to Kevin O'Connell. Shane Steakin and Mike McDaniel could draw some shit that those guys would steal. Be like, that's awesome. Doesn't matter. Their job is not just play designer. It's leader, it's head coach, it's disciplinarian. In a weird way, like, you're kind of balanced between the play caller slash, like,

I'm these guys like father, right? Like, I'm in charge. Like, you guys look at me. I tell you what we're having for dinner. You don't. I do. There's a balance. I'm not saying you're just an asshole constantly,

but I can't let you guys start pushing me around. Like, that's kind of, we lost the plot here. And I don't think it's shocking at all that both those organizations kind of fell apart this year. A pass fan, I'm excited about Vrabel, especially after the Mayo experiment, which was a disaster. But I can't help but think that the Pats might turn into the modern day cowboys, where at one point they had all the success, and then the owner started to get really in the way

and they fell into a franchise that hangs its coattails on the old days with an owner who seems to be too involved. You know, I saw a clip of Diana Rossini the other day and she's like, it's funny that you start doing some reporting and digging over the last month of some of these teams that have job openings and they're a little insulated from the conversation. Jerry Jones views his job as the Dallas Cowboys as the best job in the league. You could put a gun to his head and say, Jerry, tell me this is not the best job in the league,

and he wouldn't be able to do it. Because deep down to his core soul, he believes the Dallas Cowboys is the best job in the league. Get that is not viewed that way anymore. Just like the Jets. Like Woody Johnson is like, what are the fucking New York Jets? You're coaching in New York. The brightest lights, the biggest market. It's like, yeah, Woody.

you gotta coach the Jets. Like, that's not a good thing. And I think sometimes that these owners, now they've made so much money. I think it's less about like Robert Kraft, like living in the past, right? I just think he thinks, and rightfully so, because he has this team worth billions of dollars.

He's been part, I guess, of championships that he knows a lot. And his opinions, and listen, the Patriots are a huge part of his life. Just like Jerry Jones. It's like Woody Johnson. Like, these guys, guys are in the building constantly. Your story's like shot cons not even around, right? Like, Jed York is not going into Kyle Shanahan's office every single day. So it's like, what type

owner is he constantly coming around telling me what to do? And I think also the dynamics with the crafts is like Jonathan plays a big role. And I think put yourself in a position in some of you guys listening are part of family businesses. You know, it's unique, right? Let's use Robert Kraft and Jerry Jones, who are both over 80, both billionaires, and both, how could you, they're just not as sharp as they once were, but their kids are kind of circling like sharks, like also like I'm kind of the boss,

but I'm not in total control, right? Like Stephen Jones could not fire Brian Schott and I remember today. Just like Robert or Jonathan Kraft could not fire one of the assistant coaches. He has to go through his dad. So there's an element of still like he's 13 years old, even though Jonathan Kraft is, I mean, lives like a king. Right?

I'm sure he's got five homes, a member of country clubs. He's living like he, like he owns the team. Right. So there's that dynamic that plays a part in it. And I think there's just constant kind of back and forth is when you disagree with your dad. And then like you kind of can play this role when your dad's just gone of like, I'm the boss, even though you're technically not.

So I just think there's a lot going on in situations like that. I think this is where Frable comes in. I don't think he gives a shit. He does not give a shit. Like he's not going to be like, okay, he was part of some of those. Like he does not care about what happened in 2004. It doesn't have much relevance to right now. Now, I'm sure that comes up, like the championship culture and that type stuff,

but he's not just holding on to the good old days. It's all about 2025. How do we improve for Drake May? How do we play better defense? What kind of offense we're going to run? Right. Like what went wrong last year? How do we change? I think there's always a balance in life of like using your past experiences and letting those dictate your life. Right. Like as you get older and we all know these people that just hold on and tell the same stories.

Like guys, that was 20 years ago. That was 10 years ago. That was five years ago. Like we're kind of like, what have you done lately? Like it's 2025. Right. So like how do we fix this problem now? And you see that with teams. Like, hey, we won the Super Bowl back in 1987. No one cares. If you were 30 years old the last time you won a Super Bowl, you would be

70 now. So it's like, there's got to be some sort of balance. I think it's probably hard for these super rich guys. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented

a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys?

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

We were talking about a third. thing, a bit for the podcast for people could call in and say, Hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen.

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All of our teams are going to be equal. On the Eagles, with that offensive line, Jalen's running ability, you would rather have Jalen Hurts. I do think, like, if you told me I got Andy Reid as my coach, I would like love as my quarterback. And I might be wrong. Maybe he'll, the best he'll ever pass is that eight-game streak his first year starting. I'm not giving up yet, not giving up. But, I mean, Jalen's starting his second Super Bowl, so I can't. Again, we have to do the exercise of like, I don't have the Eagles personnel.

All teams are the same. Like, if you told a shitty team, let's do that. Pete Carroll or Brian Dayball, what quarterback you'd rather have? And they might get it wrong. I think most would choose Jordan Love because the passing element of it. I'm fairly new business owner. What would be your best advice getting in? to owning your own business.

Well, I would say I'm pretty unique here that, like, I'm a partner in this venture. So there are elements of stuff that I don't have to deal with. And if you own it, a more traditional business, you do have to deal with everything under that umbrella. So I probably couldn't give, and it depends what you own. And I, you know, growing up, my dad worked for an independent guy in the farming world. I saw my family run different industries now. I got cousins that run a beer business. It's family owned.

I just think it depends on the industry. I do think this. And having I had another podcast, which I did for like six, seven years after I got out of radio, you can only do so much stuff by yourself. And I used to think this I could do, and I was talking to someone on the phone today who's, in my industry and we were just kind of shooting shit talking about some stuff. You can only go so far by yourself. You need other people to help you out.

I could not, my quote unquote career, I'm not a broadcaster, podcast or whatever you want to consider this, is not possible. I could only take myself so far. Collins value of promotion, distribution, even the partnership with Iheart and the sales guys we have here at the volume is extremely valuable, right? So I could attempt if I wanted to do it all on my own.

There's no way I could do it. I don't have the bandwidth to do everything. On top of all the technical logistics, I don't know how to do any of that stuff. Obviously, there are going to be elements of your business, so you're just not going to know how to do. Right. and the quicker you hire people to do that, the faster you're able to grow. Because I think a lot of people,

and I'm maybe more guilty of this than most, I just feel I can do it, I can do it, and then you end up wasting so much time. I would say the older I've gotten, the more I try to lean on other people and even just willing to pay someone else to do something to help with time efficiency. Obviously, there's a balance of wasting money

and depending on what your business is, your resources, but I would say the faster you can scale is directly correlated with the other people you have either depending on, you know, partnering with, working for you, however your, you know, setup is, but you can only do so much by yourself. No matter, even if you're working 90, 100 hour weeks, you need, you know, football coaches say this well.

Like, I'm a product of my staff, right? And I think a lot of people, you know, CEOs say like, whoever their top four or five people in their corner are, CFO, CMO, CMO, CO, you need help. And he'd be the first to tell you, like, he's a way better coach with Brett Veach picking the players. Howie Roseman looks like a lot better GM now that they got Fangio calling the defense.

Sireani looks like a lot better head coach now they hire Fangio. I just think that, like, you know, if you're watching this on YouTube, I have nothing to do with that besides recording this. I can do the content, right? could I figure it out? Probably. It's probably, I mean, I guess I could, but it would be energy and time away from doing what I do best. Just like whatever you do best, you know, figure that out. Go all in on it.

It's like the old adage of like, you know, people that are more successful out of like 10 things, they just like master a couple of them and just hand off all the other ones. And obviously for you, you pay other people to do it. But, you know, if you try to spread your stuff. too thin on whatever you're doing, especially if you're a young person, it can become overwhelming and it can beat you down. Good luck, man. Appreciate everyone listening. Talk to you soon. And be back in a couple days. Adios. The volume.

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