The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Mike Tomlin OUT in Pittsburgh, Guy Haberman joins the show

Episode Date: January 14, 2026

Former NFL scout John Middlekauff reacts to the news of the day that saw Mike Tomlin step down as the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers ending his 19 year run as Head Coach. Later, john is joined by his longtime friend and current fill in PXP broadcaster for the SF 49ers Guy Haberman to talk about the 49ers win over the Eagles, what the vibe was like in Philly, and look ahead to Saturday's match-up against the Seahawks. All that and more! Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Use promo code “3ANDOUT20” on https://nicokick.com/zone for 20% off at checkout! Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Volume. What is going on, everybody, John Middlecock, The Read Out Podcast. How are we doing? Today, I recorded with a good friend of mine. He officiated my wedding. I was the best man in his wedding. He has been the voice of the 49ers this year. filling in for both our good friends, Greg Papa, who's been battling leukemia.

He's called Warrior Games, A's games. He does Big Ten Network, so he's done Signetti games. He works with Yogi Roth. He's on the two team for the Big Ten Network. He's done Fox stuff. He's a stud play-by-play guy. We used to have a radio show together. He's the guy that got me into this business and world. Then we had a podcast together after, you know, I essentially got us in a little trouble in the radio world. but Guy Haberman will join us, and I was planning on just doing that because we talked for like an hour. But while we were talking,

or maybe right before, the news broke about Mike Tomlin, who has officially resigned. Said it'll, you know, I'm stepping away. So we'll discuss the Mike Tomlin situation, which I think we all saw as inevitable still. It actually happened, which, you know, you can't ever bet on

until it actually did, and it finally did. So some thoughts there. And that'll be the show today. make sure you subscribe wherever you may listen a lot of you guys are asking me of a Netflix we're not going live on Netflix after these games you know the rest of the year now granted there's only a handful of games left that is something that's very fluid for next fall something I've already talked about with some of their executives that is something we need to figure out but obviously it's only January we have a long time for those of you that watch the

youtube after uh the the games on sunday night Monday night Thursday tonight. Now going to Netflix, they can't post until the following day, which is bright and early in the morning. It's like 5 or 6 a.m. My time, mountain time, so usually 7, 8 a.m. Eastern time. So they're posting early in the morning. And let's face it, most of the content moving forward is not reactionary anymore to the two games, because we only got, what, six or seven left. If you count college one, we got four this week, we got two, that's seven, we got eight games left. counting the Super Bowl in the National Championship. So as of right now, all of our videos, moving forward, Netflix, bright and early in the morning.

Make sure you subscribe. Hit a little alert button as well. Appreciate everyone that's already checked that out. We'll just keep rocking and rolling. So let's just talk to Mike Tomlin. I do want to start with Mike Tomlin because it wasn't shocking at all. Right. Whether he was fired, whether he quit, whether it just was going to.

to end. The writing has been on the wall for years. And even Mike Tomlin could understand that after last night. One, his team's not remotely close. Two, they're very old. They have no answer at the most important position. They're not bad enough to draft high enough. They have a bunch of older players that make a ton of money. You know, when the house is on fire, you've got to run out. And I think Mike Tomlin just went sprinting outside. He was a prideful guy. He probably overstayed his welcome in the sense that I don't know if we'll ever see a coach go essentially 20 years ever again. Look at Sean McVey and Kyle Shanahan. They both, Sean started when he was 30 and Kyle started, I think, when he was 39 or 40.

And maybe he was a little younger, 37. Do you think either one of those guys are going to be coaching 19 years for the Rams and the 49ers? Because you know what? I would bet against it when you factor in burnout and wealth, right? Mike Tomlin's been making. big money for a while. But early on in his career, I would say it was probably a little easier the NFL world. It's changed dramatically with social media.

It's changed dramatically once Ben Rathesberger retired. And this doesn't like directly impact him. It's not like he worked with this guy, right? And they weren't like business partners in the sense. They all both work for the NFL. They're just rivals. You have to think the Harbaugh thing when he was let go last week. week. It just felt over for everyone involved. We all know people that got divorced. It's like,

yeah, their relationship was probably over two years ago. It happens all the time. And I would argue the best thing that's ever happened to me is failing in the NFL. Like, you know, Chip Kelly comes in, I get let go. And when my radio show was canceled, both times it excelled my career forward. partly because you look back and you go, yeah, it was off for a while before that happened. And when you're Mike Tom and you're coaching the Pittsburgh Steelers, I completely understand the pride you take in holding that job, which is historic in this country,

being the head coach for that franchise. But he couldn't stand there on the sideline after watching decades of football at the highest level and go, I still want to do this shit. And he answered it today, I don't. I'm out. Now, to me, the most logical place, people have been reporting for a while that television, obviously television networks are going to be interested. Florio, I think, like, within the last month, said that Tomlin started contemplating this.

I think the thing that makes the most sense is Amazon. Like, Tomlin, to me, gets wasted in a studio show with 15 other people around a desk. To me, I want Mike Tomlin in a booth calling a game. Now, does he want to travel city to city and do that? Well, what if Amazon gives him the private jet? So his travel actually isn't that bad. And if he wants to, I'm sure he's got a second home in Florida, Miami, which who knows? I'm sure they're contacting him.

That if he truly is going to take a year off, I think Amazon makes a lot of sense. Herb Streets done a respectable job given that they've done. They wanted McVeigh, they wanted John Lynch. Those guys wouldn't leave. Now you can get an NFL guy in there for this last year of Al. And who knows? Maybe Tomlin loves it. You know, Bill Cowher went into TV, never left. John Madden went into TV, never left.

John Gruden went into TV and was there for a decade. Sometimes you go on a TV, it's like, wait, you're going to pay me the same amount I made for working 90 hours a week. I can't lose a game. And everyone likes me, unless I'm Romo. Then people turn on you. But, like, more than likely, Mike Tomlin, would get rave reviews. The critics would be pretty silent.

It would be a lot of positive reinforcement. I like this life. 53, let's take a couple years, take a deep breath. And who knows? Maybe over the course of the next couple weeks, some of these teams, Atlanta, Miami, get pretty aggressive with them. It's been well reported. He's still under contract.

This is kind of a Sean Peyton. And if he did what Sean Payton did, If it's actually taking it at face value, everything they're saying, we believe, it's 100% the right move. Sean Payton said, this team sucks, I won out. I don't want to quit coaching, but I got to get out of here. And then they made it complicated. We went to Denver.

I don't think Mike Tomlin, I don't think they're getting a first round pick for him. But I think the Steelers, you know, he doesn't want to be there, would gladly take a couple threes or whatever. And I think teams would trade for him. I would imagine, we'll see, you know, Miami is. a new general manager. I guess Atlanta has neither. I guess they got Matt Ryan who's going to hire both guys. I would imagine these teams desperately want to talk to him. And this gets back to John Mara's brother going to John Harbaugh's house. If John Harbaugh makes sense, Mike Tomlin

makes sense. I've been saying forever Mike Tomlin to the New York Giants. Now, that was before John Harbaugh just got shit canned on the drive home on a Tuesday afternoon. But I think we'd all agree like Mike Tomlin relative to what they had would be an all-time upgrade. I mean, look at the coaching stretch that they have had for a decade plus. Obviously, the Miami Dolphins, there is some toughness, some leadership that they are desperately seeking. They should be all over it for him. Now, does he believe that that's a place that is conducive toward competing and winning? I don't know.

They obviously have some financial issues, not because their owner's not rich, but because of the Tua contract and the team's not that good. You know, Atlanta's pretty interesting, but the quarterback situation is a little iffy. Like, if you're not a huge believer in Pennix, he does have a currently has a torn ACL. Cousins is under contract, are you going to bring him back at whatever, $35, $40 million? So we've just seen Tomlin. If any human being goes, wherever I go next, there has to be some sort of stability at quarterback, it would be Mike Tomlin after what he just experienced for the last several years.

where I can see John Harbaugh being a little more open-minded, like he pivoted through the situation they drafted Lamar at the end of the first round. Or if you're Tomlin, you can't take a job, which is essentially like the job you just left, which many would consider over the history of the sports, it's one of the great jobs of all time. What's the staff? They've had three coaches since like the 60s. Now, granted, one of the guys was there forever,

but they've had two coaches since the mid-90s. So the one thing with the Ravens and with the Steelers is the support you get with ownership. But part of that support, like even if we nitpick Mike Tomlin, and obviously Steeler fans and NFL fans have, he never lost. I mean, he lost games, but he never had, you know, Tomlin had that one, four and, you know, 13 season.

Like that did not exist. So when you never do that, you gain a little bit more bulletproof, you know, it's like wearing a bulletproof vest in terms of being a coach. It's harder for them to come at you. And because the most of the most of them, moment you start losing, they get rid of everybody. John Harbaugh missed the playoffs under 500 to see you.

Andy Reid, you know, one awful year, gone. But when you say every year, it's harder for them to do it, even as you get farther and farther removed from the Super Bowl. So I personally hope Tomlin does Amazon, as a consumer, and as someone that watched all these Thursday night games, does a lot of content about them around that game. In some of those games, you know, better than others. So sign me up for that. But I do think these teams...

like if you're Matt Ryan, you want to start strong? Get a guy in there that knows what he's doing. You're Stephen Ross. You've been dreaming about a big name coach forever. Makes a lot of sense. So obviously he's going to have suitors. What would they demand back? Because the Saints truly did not want to get rid of Sean Payton.

This one felt like, yeah, Tomlin might have been like, I'm over it. But like, you guys were over it too. So like, fourth round pick, we're a long way from. that, who knows if he even takes interviews. Like John Harbaugh is kind of actively taking interviews or at least making contact. Obviously, Tomlin will, but maybe he truly is just cool with just moving on and taking a year that, who knows, sometimes a year turns into 10. And maybe he becomes some legendary TV guy.

Or maybe truly is a year and he misses the grind. That's a long time in one place. And the pressure, a lot of eyeballs, big time franchise, pretty legendary run. I do people make fun of it because part of I made fun of it because it felt like it was never going to lead to this day when it just felt like it kind of was time like a couple years ago

it is pretty impressive what he did just refuse to have a shitty season refused to bottom out I mean the 49ers last year went 6 and 11 a couple years ago the Rams had like the top 5 or 6 pick now granted it it went to the Lions right for the Stafford trade but like a lot of

great have awful years What was the Chiefs record this year? Six and eleven? It's just, it's inevitable. You get a couple injuries, weird things happen. Happens to everybody, except that guy. And it truly is, I think now that he's just in whatever a situation is unemployed, retired, quit, actively seeking employment in the media industry, we can kind of just, that was a hell of a run. That was, that was really impressive, you know, and I think it's going to really age one.

Well, I also think there's a power in getting away for a while. I think about this a lot in the podcasting world. Do I do too much content sometimes? I'm like, well, during the football season, it's kind of the business I'm in. And I try to think about that a little bit more in the slower times. Like sometimes just not being hurt all the time is not the worst thing. It definitely works in the coaching world where, you know, five years after Gruden got fired from Tampa, people like, this got greatest things since sliced bread.

It's like, did you guys watch the end of his Tampa Bay career? It did not go. And I'm pro. Gruden entertains me on the internet. But I remember thinking when he got back with the Raiders, I'm like, they just hired this guy's a superstar. I remember like, eh, maybe. But the perception and the buzz and the media hype,

is what all my scouting friends always tell me. They've got to be very careful about that February, March, and April leading up to the draft. Because you're going to let it all cloud you. You hear what Middlecalf is saying? You hear what Todd McShay is saying? You hear what Daniel Jeremiah saying? And all of a sudden, it starts messing with your own mind.

That's the way this world works, right? And I think with a coach, like Tomlin, who is so good in front of a microphone and just so unique, like his experiences, obviously the success he had, the people he's coached the people he's coached against. Think of the eras in which he coached against. It's been in the league against the Farves and the Aikmans up through. the Caleb Williams he's coached against them all so I think he's I hope he does Amazon

that's what I'm rooting for him to do Amazon but I do think there would be some massive massive now he's I think he was one of the higher pay coaches in the league like $15, $60 million a year I would you be shocked at the Miami Dolphins like here's five for a hundred you know it's easy to say like yeah money's not everything it's like

you see that contract like I'll keep coaching I'll live in South Beach but Amazon can do the same thing. So, fascinating to watch this play out. I think we all saw this coming in some former fashion. It was just inevitable. And to me, it really felt more inevitable. Harbaugh last week, not just the outcome of that game,

but as the game went, it's like, these guys are getting clout. And this is not the Buffalo Bills. This is not the Andy Reekanze. This is used in Texans. You know, I get they've won the division a bunch of times over the years, won some home playoff games,

they're going to Heinz Field, I think it's called something different now, in the cold and beating your ass, and you look around, you're like, we got a lot of older guys. It's like, it's time. So, glad this song is over, you know, because it was a topic that I personally

was a little tired of talking about because it just kind of felt like it went in circles. And now we have, like, it's over. And Mike Tomlin and the Pittsburgh Steelers can go on with their way. And obviously one story that we will continue to give thoughts on is like, who are they going to hire? My initial thought would be some like, they're going to want a tough guy. Like they're not going Mike Tomlin to Mike McDaniel. So defensive guys, Brian Flores worked there a couple years ago.

Robert Sala kind of feels like a Pittsburgh Steeler. You know, Frank Signetti, or Frank Signetti is his brother. Kurt Signetti is born and raised in Pittsburgh. obviously having a lot of success in Indiana. Now, granted, he's never coached. I don't think in the pros, a longtime college guy. Could be wrong on that.

Maybe he's had a, but I'm pretty sure it was from NC State to Bama to become a head coach for a long time. That would be pretty risky, but hell, the Steelers would be like, well, we hired Mike Tomlin once upon a time. Most of you guys had never heard of him. I think he'd been one-year defensive coordinator for Minnesota.

Now, granted, look it back. It's like, he was coached. the dbs with uh with for gruden and tony dungy with Tampa Bay last time I checked two of the four dbs are in the Hall of Fame so pretty good group I think John Lynch swears by the guy and it's it's just an all-timer little shocking honestly it's probably the closest thing over the last 25 years to McVeigh when it happened it was kind of pre definitely pre social media, but pretty the internet, the power of the internet, right? You know, Reddit and all these places didn't exist. But it would have been the equivalent of that now, would have been like,

who'd they just hire? And clearly they got it right because he went on to be one of the best coaches of his generation. And now they've got to try to replace it. And it's not easy to do. Right. It's, they went from Cowher to Tomlin. I say this forever about quarterbacks. Like, what, going from Farve to Rogers to love, that's pretty lucky. A lot of time, even far to Rogers to some scrub and going the run they've been on even back to Chuck Knoll

is who I don't remember coaching a game but always read he was pretty good and the clips in the 70s obviously had some squads, won some Super Bowls is good luck replacing them and I think one thing different that the vibe I get from people

in that world is the Steelers aren't as good in the front office anymore that's a knock and that to me is a big difference between the Ravens and the Steelers. The Ravens front office is still viewed as top-notch in the NFL. The Pittsburgh Steelers is not. So who they can get to sign up with their operation is going to be fascinating and something to monitor.

Also because, like, kind of a bottom-out job. Like, if you get hired by the Ravens, Bushadi, I guess I haven't even seen this press conference yet today. I saw his quote saying that they want to extend Lamar Jackson. Obviously, he's on the books next year for $75 million. But if you sign up for the Ravens as a coach, whether you're Stefanski, Sala, I was going to say Harbaugh, whoever it is, right? Marcus Freeman, you name it. You have a several-year window, like the pressure, anything less than the playoffs next year would be a failure. And I'd argue if you come into the playoffs, they're going to want playoff victories.

Pressure is 10 out of 10. I think with Pittsburgh, do you know what a lot of people want? Nuke this thing. let's finally bottom out for a year. Let's take a deep breath. Let's shed some of these salaries. So the Raven and Steelers, who have always been kind of a parallel operation

competing against each other, and both have always, the Ravens had a couple of down years over Harbaugh's tenure, but for the most part, they've been really good, 12 of 18 years making the playoffs. The one six divisions. The Ravens' expectation, and rightfully so, is next year we're competing for the Super Bowl.

And I would imagine the gambling odds, you know, in March, April, May, they will be one of the Super Bowl favorites. The Steelers will not. And I think the Steelers are going to, for the first time, probably in franchise history, take a long look in the mirror and say, we're going to need a transition year.

And honestly, I think a lot of fans will be like, oh, thank God. We needed this. Because watching us go 10 and 7 and getting beaten like a drum at home is not fun. It's actually kind of tire something. at this point, which you go, whoa, and I love when I hear people say this. Most teams in the league would die to have that.

Well, yeah, the Steelers have had that now for 45 years. So their expectations are a little bit different than the Raiders or the Arizona Cardinals. They're like, listen, we're cool with going to the playoffs if we have a shot, but we know we have no shot. So we'd rather just have one year go four wins and be like drafting in the top five and like turn our thing around. If the Chiefs have a second run in them,

it will be because of this off-season and this draft specifically. It will change the course of their franchise. Well, why were they able to do it? They went 6 and 11. It sucked. Now, it was easier to do for them because they'd just been to 5 to 6 Super Bowls.

Steelers haven't won a playoff game and, let's see, January 17 to like the 2016 season, it's been a while. And honestly, it didn't feel like wasn't even close. I mean, they've been blown out in their last three playoff games against high-end competition.

So props to Mike Tomlin, hell of a run, all-time great NFL figure. And the one thing the NFL is very lucky at before we dive into Guy here, and Tomlin fits this, is the key to this business right now. Obviously, the games are fun and gambling and talking about what happens for the 60 minutes

this weekend throughout the season, is the main business model of the NFL. But it's driven by the characters. And obviously the players are characters, but the coaches now are so famous. And the coaches' personalities help drive this whole thing. You need not just main characters,

but supporting actors. And I just think you get that. Like Mike Tomlin is just a unique individual in NFL history. And I said this one, Sean McVeigh, remember when he was going to like quit and go to Amazon. It's like, Sean, you're still so young.

I hope you just stay in the NFL. We need you as a character in this whole thing that entertains us all. So as long as Mike Tomlin stays in the world, I'm cool with. Right. Like, I know they love Sean Payton at Fox. I think we're much better having Sean Payton coach than on television. Like, I think big picture for Mike, I hope that he comes back. Like, it doesn't just turn into a John Madden.

wouldn't be the worst thing. I mean, if he turns into a John Madden, I wouldn't blame him. That means he's very involved in the NFL too. But, like, Rex Ryan does television for ESPN. He's kind of irrelevant to me, right? And he was a huge character when he was in the league. And I'm not comparing Tomlin to Rex. Tom has obviously had way more success.

But, like, we need big personalities. And not just with players, but with coaches, with assistant coaches, with everyone involved. And Mike is just one of the better, you know, non-players and most important non-players in the NFL. So hopefully just maybe one-year hiatus and then he comes back and we get him back in big games. And people start saying he sucks or he's good or whatever,

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I mean, it probably is, unless there's like, yeah, I think it probably is my Netflix debut. In terms of being on, watching, not my debut. I've watched a lot of Netflix, but. Did you say anything to Howie the other day? I never ran into Howie. I passed Siriani in the hallway. I saw Big Dom on the sideline with his chain on.

never saw i was looking for howie so i could say something to him i did post a picture from outside the link that said the house the middle cough bill i don't know if you saw that never saw jeffrey uh yeah didn't that a bunch of people i didn't never donovan mcnab never saw him uh not the awesome one never saw him no domdi they uh dom did one of those chip kelly moves with domdi get in the car we're taking the airport you're out of here beau But it might have been the last person to see Siriani. I guess we'll find out. What was the weather like on the, was it obviously windy, but was it cold?

Because Dom doesn't, I didn't think he just wears an undershirt and like a jumpsuit. Like he's got to be a little chilly, doesn't it? You know, I just remember, I used to have a photo of you standing next to Andy Reed on the sideline in like a big hoodie. And Andy, you're like in the background. You were on the sideline for that game for whatever. It must have been your first year in Philly. I got to go find that picture. Might have been a training camp photo.

No, it was a game photo. I'm pretty sure it was a game photo, although I don't know why you were standing next to Andy. ball game. It was nice. Philly warmest cold booth I've ever been in. Like, you know, you open up the window when you're calling the game. And I had great temperature. It was like 21 degrees with a windshield. The wind was a major factor. I don't know. Did it feel that way on television that the wind was a major factor? You know, Brady was talking a lot about it. And I think when he did, have you gone back? Did you watch TV copy after? I'm an all-22 guy.

So, you know, Brady, he's doing the, it was actually one of his probably definitely standout moments of his career, the ball thing about how you don't want the ball to go up. It's like a golf shot, right? You want to keep it low. The problem, and I wanted to say, hey, Tom, you're six foot five, six foot six. Brock is six one-ish. So it's harder for him to throw down. Easier for you to throw those little Edelman, you know, slant routes, out-routes. But, you know, he went, it was a cool moment. It was actually pretty interesting. I do like watching the TV. You see Tom? I did see Tom, security in front, security and back as he

walk by. Berkhart came by, as you know. He's a very cool guy. Security too for him? No, he was floating free. But you know, I mean, Juan Jennings was a big-time high school quarterback prospect, and he's 6'3,

and he's the one that threw probably the pass of the game to Christian McCaffrey. Tom always did have that down angle at the ball coming out of his hands. And I do think that that Juwan throw was with the win. The wind kind of comes across out of the open end of the stadium, which is the opposite end of the stadium for where McCaffrey caught that ball. So it was kind of coming across and then down, like that direction. And that's right where the broadcast position, like right where we're looking on radio. And when the ball left

Jennings' hands, I swear to God for the rest of my life, there was an alternate universe. You know when you watch a game or a movie back that you know what's going to happen and you're still like kind of scared when the Freddie comes around the corner or whatever? Yeah. There's still like a part of me that sees the ball going over Christian's head and him not catching it. I thought. I thought, thought, time stood still, I swear to you. Time stood still. I could see Christian. I could see the ball halfway in the air. And there was no way McAfrey was going to catch that ball.

And somehow he did. Truly, it almost brings me to tears. What an incredible physical accomplishment I witnessed. It's one of the greatest things I've ever seen. Well, how often do you watch? Definitely a lot on Saturdays, but even a ton on Sundays, is a guy can't quite track the ball. And to track the ball that clearly he thinks,

coming the one way. He has to turn the other way. It's obviously, I mean, he's overthrown. He's a wide receiver. It's, it's a play to be made. Maybe he would have to leap, but not having to leap, keeping his feet and really will-emazing that thing, which is kind of somewhat ironic because that game, he made incredible catches, right? I mean, obviously the game winner, but didn't, was, was it two weeks? It wouldn't have been in Seattle when he high-pointed. He high-pointed a ball in that game, because I thought it was Kittle at first. It was. It was, it was a game. McCaffrey. Yeah.

So you're like, he's making, and he just had probably one of the worst moments of his career where even he said like the game's on me, even though he didn't lose the game, but when does Christian ever drop a ball? Other than his humble in the Super Bowl, that feels like one of his worst moments was the week 18 Seattle drop. So you thought when the ball's in the air, no chance he's catching. No, the wind was at the back. It was going over his head.

It was a thousand percent going over his head. And then even as it came down, I was like his arms, there's no way he's going to get it turning over his body. I'm telling you, bro, like, I am tearing up, not because the Niners want. It was... Oh, you're a Niners fan. Sorry, you know, like, when you hear people tell their stories, like, I saw Mickey Mantle and he had a ball off the facade and Yankee Stadium.

It was 717 feet. You know, like, whatever. I'm telling you, nobody, that Jerry Rice, like, I don't think 99% of receivers catch that ball. And the crazy part is, John Jenner, things through a pass that was better than I bet if you went and asked Brock Purdy and Mac Jones, could they

have made that pass? Of course they would say yes. But I think if you have a quarterback throw that ball 10 times, like it maybe gets completed two. It was just you know, watching back the highlights, KMBR, big local station in Northern California really goes through all of California.

It's kind of like WFAN. You can probably hear it in Arizona. It's got still. Yeah, I probably could find spots for sure. You thought after you made the call and you looked down, you saw the flag that it fucked up your call, huh? That's a little broadcaster, thanks. What I do is I finish the call. Because what you don't want to do is be like,

it's a flag and then you don't finish the call. So I tried to finish the call. And then I had to acknowledge the flag. But it did, it's different on the road, too. The crowd's not. That crowd is all. Philadelphia crowd is. You know, they don't do any like in stadium PA.

All right, guy. Or like, you know, I'm over here in section 217. We're giving away. chicky and Pete's gift certificates to the first fan that can name the last eagle to they just play rock music and rap music and do crowd shots every commercial break and the place goes absolutely bananas it is how many nine are games you do this year on the road I think that was a on the road I don't know 10 I think I'm not nine and one some or some or seven no best uh it is you know people always said that their fans are assholes like were they were they saying saying goodbye to kiddle when he was getting car off. Is that? You know, I think there's 67,000 people in that stadium.

So I'm sure, of course, there was somebody by the tunnel. I don't know. It did not feel like the crowd was cheering George Kittle's injury. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm sure that there's eight, you can literally find every opinion you want to find if you go poll 67,000 people. So not to excuse it, I'm sure it happened.

But the crowd to me actually seemed kind of sympathetic to the moment. Yeah, to me, obviously it's a polarizing fan base. but I've always said like I've only worked for one NFL team there's clearly a lot for the chiefs line of delineation of like the franchise does that really matter and I'm not just talking like television ratings I'm talking when you work there it matters right and we've been lucky we were you know

you and I for those that don't know went to high school together when I became a G at Fresno State you had gone to Fresno State and you were doing radio then So we moved in together with our buddy AJ who ended up who played basketball at Fresn State and then he went to work at Sack State. So you and I lived together with him for a year and then he bounced after a year. So like, you know, the 40, we just got to, you just kind of fan where you grow up most of the times. Like, just happened to get like Barry Bonds and Steve Young when we were kids.

Like that's pretty lucky. But I remember going to Philly is like this really matters. And it's a great sports town. But like the Eagles and I think clearly Chicago's a lot like this too. obviously the Bulls with Michael Jordan or the Cubs. There's nothing like the Bears. And you feel it now. It's like the Bears and the Eagles.

It's like an SEC environment there. And that's why it's like, how long is the time before you can boo? Well, it's like when your offense looks like that, the guy just paid $300 to sit in the fourth level. Like he's allowed to boo watching a team that can't complete a pass. That was what they booed. I, by my count, four times during the game. And within 30 seconds, the rock music started.

And they just started going crazy. Yeah. But it was like it's a, it's for a team coming off a Super Bowl with basically the majority of the nucleus, it's all the same cats, right? It's like it's all, it's the group. So it's, it's the same guys. If it was the equivalent with the 49ers, these guys want to love the team, but it's, it is hard. You, you taught me when I got into radio. If a baseball team is not hitting, it looks like they're not trying. Looks like, these guys don't give a shit. Yeah, they just, no, they just, uh, 26 out. were like strikeouts or pop lines. Josh Reddick was jogging to first. So in football, when you start going three and out a lot, and I don't know what they ended this. You'd probably have this.

They led the league for a large portion of the season, three and outs. Yeah, they let it. Let the league and three out. Three and out. Yeah, let the league three out. I bet it historically top five drafting team, usually in that category. I bet if we looked over the course of like 20 years, it's probably not like a defending Super Bowl champion division.

to 1,000 yard receivers and the reigning offensive player of the year. Did you feel like it was really angry in there? Like as the game went on, like, or it was just more intense? I thought it was more disbelief. When we, when we rolled in on the bus, travel with the team. When we rolled in on the bus, a lot of middle fingers. But like, honestly, kind of endearing.

A lot of people, you know, people like flying the bird, but it was kind of like they just knew they had a standard to uphold, which is to flip you off on the team. There's no Cynthia Jones is in the, media there, you know? I think that's her name. Do you see that clip of her talking to Liam Cohen? Oh, I didn't know who. I didn't know the name. Yeah, she like, you know, most people have seen it. That's that's, that's, she should, the East environment there. The Eagles should hire her to go to a Syriani press conference. Howie would fire. He wouldn't want that type atmosphere. You're right. That's what's

great about. That's what's great. Like, somebody told me a Larry Brown, the old basketball coach quote, he's like, you know, some people are just happier when they're mad, which, you know, I think we can all identify with a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, Yeah, they're going to yell at you, but they're going to equal opportunity to yell at their own team. So I think it's pretty stunning. Not that they lost, but that the defending champs, you know, they were five and oh at home, John, in the playoffs. They'd won by 21 points, those five games with Jalen Hertz and Nick Siriani. The only time they trailed at home in the playoffs was a three point deficit to Washington last year.

Then they scored 55 on them. Killed them. Like they have been killing people. Like that's part of the story is I was saying to you on the phone the day, how many guys on the Niners defense would have started for the Eagles defense? maybe one. None of the D-Lyman, right, this version. Yep, none of the D-Lyman. Obviously, their linebackers are good.

Lenore would be their second corner. Would one of the other nine-year safety start in place of Marcus Epps? Well, Stout is a fantastic rookie, but Cooper DeGine is the best slot corner in the league. Exactly. So it's like he's not beating him out. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, not many.

Their defense is legitimately good, right? Number one defense in the league since they traded for jail in Phillips Week 10. 10 points a game. Do you think, like, for the Bears Packer game, were you watching that team hotel, Kyle? Bears Packer game. No, that was, I was team room, team meal room, I was watching the Carolina game,

but then back in the room for the Bears game. So that's probably obviously devastating loss for the Packers, but that was a more, it was like a religious experience in Chicago. That was really cool. I thought it was a better win than a bad loss, especially Micah Parsons on crutches. It's like if they play that game 10 times, it might not look like that, but like the Bears are going to win a bunch of games. It's not that crazy.

This game it felt like I feel like that's one of the worst losses I've ever seen when you factor in. I mean, Kyle, after the game, that picture, do you see the viral picture of like him hugging George? And the eyes of Brandon Graham behind him have this look of like, why did I pick up how he's call and come back? this could be me on that. Like I got, I made my Super Bowls, made my money. What am I doing? The eyes in Brandon Graham, seeing like a fellow fallen warrior of like, what am I doing this

for? This is crazy. That to me, as powerful as Kyle's face was, Brandon Graham's eyes in the background were like, damn, this is, that's one of the better photos that's not positive in like sports history, I think. Yeah. Those three met, Kittles face, Kyle and Brandon Graham. Brandon Graham's like one of the great eagles of all time.

And his face kind of told it all. Honestly, it's like symbolizes the Eagles almost. Like, what are we doing here? Can we just go home? I didn't get that five for the Eagles. Can we just go home after the game? Yeah, I just think that, and maybe part of it why it feels as crazy

is the way the Niners had just looked against Seattle, who, I don't know, I feel like the Eagles have better players in Seattle. You did both, you've been around both. Does it feel that way? I mean, I would say it's hard, like, Seattle's better got a better, you know, more dynamic coach because he calls the defense. But Vic's great defensive coach.

Or no against Shanahan. Like he doesn't get any points to the Shanahan guys. But like I think Vic is a known entity to Kyle, right? Like Kyle, even though Vic has kind of kicked his butt previously, he knows how he knows what's coming. I think Mike McDonald is kind of a new, he's brought a new flavor. That said, I did think looking at Seattle's guys on the field, Week 18, Nick Eman-Worry, their defensive line. they're not quite Legion of Boom like Sherm and all those guys walking around

Cam Chancellor but they did feel pretty physically like it felt like okay this is Jimmy's and Joe's like that's what that game felt like and then they were also schematically really excellent on defense the Niners they were just never

where they were supposed to be defensively and it screwed things up week 18 so it'll make the rematch really interesting but I felt the same way like I remember you and I used to go to like Raider games all the time and we just stand on the field when Carson Palmer would come out or Peyton Manning.

These guys are humongous. Ben Rothesburg and Eli were huge. They're just blue chippers. And to me, like Seattle on defense and the Eagles on defense are just stacked with blue chippers. Well, like if Leonard Williams walks by you or Jalen Carter, do you notice that big of a difference? Leonard Williams ran by me when I was standing on the field before the game and I thought I was going to fall over. He's because he's so, what do you scout? Say he's high.

He's just like, he's built like a six three guy, but then just, He's so proportional, right? And then he's stretched out. So, but I mean, this's the NFL. This is the National Football League, John. That's the way these guys look. And then you look at the Niners, and they got some guys starting a linebacker,

and started in 62 weeks of football. It's crazy. Yeah, it's the craziest thing. I mean, you've been to NBA finals, major league baseball, playoff, you've been to it all. The craziest thing you've ever witnessed, given, like, even the 49ers,

that they truly believe going into that kiddell. I would guarantee you, not the team, but if we just pulled the organization, pregame? Like, all right, who thinks we can win this game? I'd bet there'd be a lot of like, well, you know, we had a good run. We had a good run. At least we made a playoff game. They made it weird long enough that all of a sudden the other teams started thinking about it.

I think when you, don't you think this too, like, there are just some teams that are weird. Like Seattle's not weird. Philly's weird. And when you play a weird team, just like all the dynamics, like AJ Brown and Nick around and yelling each other on the sideline, like why is this team? the fan like if you last week i went to a syriani youtube and just like am i allowed to say youtube and and press conference and like all the comments were just like fire this periscope eagles fans periscope so i just think when you i thought it was a big intangible game right like

the margins are so thin if you're buttoned down if you're disciplined niders only committed one penalty eagles committed like seven i and still they could have won the game clear there's something and i think Seattle's going to have a lot of this. But the Niners, like, even though they're missing guys, there is still an, and you've done Indiana games, you know, Big Ten Network, no big deal. Signetti.

There's something, there's something about, like, people, and this probably works in any line of work, like when you really like the people you work with. And in a business that is, like, physically taxing and you're, you have to, like, lay it on the line with fatigue and mental toughness and all these things come into play. I think of how he had a do-over

he would have traded A.J. Brown keeping that around, it's hard to do because it's like he plays early in the game. You're like, how are they going to cover him? It's like, Lenore, you talk a big game? Like, this is an elite player. But then, like, you have a drop and then it just, you know, D.K.'s kind of like that too.

Now, I think AJ's better than D.K., but they're just, you know, like McCaffrey's really, really dependable. It's like the coach K thing on that doc when Leightner missed, he's like, he might make her miss, but he ain't going to be afraid. And it's like use check. And the Eagles, like their defense to me was, it wasn't their issue. Right.

But offensively, it's like they're all looking at in the huddle. Do they really like each other? Brandon Graham last year. Remember when he was like doing the Chickie and Pete's thing? He's like, yeah, the Jalen and AJ just can't stand each other. And then immediately like an hour later, he's like, I take that back. I didn't meet it like that. It's like he, you know what's cool about Brandon?

You get old enough you're like not even thinking. and your corporate coach player speaks is off. He's like, yeah, they just hate each other now. And I don't think you, and in fairness to Jalen, you're like, you hate on me, you've made a pretty public, you did a commercial that feels like it's just directly at me, and then you're dropping balls and they're hitting in the hand. It's hilarious.

I mean, I can't, sometimes I'm like, I can't believe he did this. I know. But, you know, AJ, unless I don't blame them, but it also, you get in that moment, it really matters. And you can see like, this team doesn't really like each other.

And the thing is, what was January 13th? Is there a bigger lock than AJ being traded to like the Patriots on the first day of free agency or maybe even before it's broken? Like he's not even going to be on the team. So you go down swinging with this guy's not going to be on a team and not going to be on the team because like,

yeah, we just needed to save some cap space like a lot of teams. It's like, we got to get this guy out of here. We got to try to save this operation. Right. And the Niners don't have any of that right now. Well, because I yuk's not around. True, but he just drove off and he's going so fast and no one ever seen him again.

I mean, it's not like they've been without drama the last several years in Debo. But I think the reason I always... But Debo for his limitations was a guy that you go to war with and get his best effort. Now, it might not, you know, as he got older, he wasn't as good, but you felt going to war with Debo Samuel like he was going to go down with the ship with you.

I think go back to your Signetti point. Like, I love watching Signetti talk. And I'd be interested. like, would he take the Steelers job? He's about to get his, like, third extension in six months probably in Indiana. But when you watch him talk, like if you go watch his introductory press conference

or any interview he does, he rattles off every core value like it is imprinted on his brain, right? Every play has a mind of it. Every play is a story of its own. Nine seconds to greatness. He's just like, do, the, the, the. And even when the Niners are like a six-win team

or whatever, or Kyle doesn't end the half with the ball or I should have used the time out there. I wish he was more aggressive. I think the most powerful thing is players think that he can make them reach their full potential. Like they all believe in him. Players believe in the head coach, period. And I think that is the fundamental reason why. I had somebody tell me once, like, you know, it'll never come to this.

But if anybody could call offense and defense, it would be Kyle Shanahan. I think, well, Ryan Walters, you remember him? was Washington's defensive coordinator this year. He was Purdue's head coach member. He was a defensive coordinator, Illinois for Bilema. Then he becomes Purdue's head coach. And he took over offensive play calling like two years ago. But he'd been like, I remember that story.

Yeah. Colorado. But like I just think that is, I think it has to start there with it. And so, you know, Siriani, they've taken play calling. Not that I'm the Siriani expert. But he was the OC and then he's not the OC. And then there's the play caller again. He's not the play caller again.

I don't, I don't think he's called play calling. places they yanked it away the sike in that halfway through that first i don't think he's touched a play goal i just think there's a fundamental thing and i think this is signetti it's like signetti is not gonna pop into every room and like put his arm around every guy and like check on you and i don't know if you saw one of his players said like i don't think he's ever been happy he's like yeah i've been happy i just don't show them that i'm happy right yeah i just think he is so he just makes everybody so much better i think it's the fundamental reason to me that's the number one thing i need to find the head coach. It's like, do the players believe

he can make them better? And I think it's why the 49ers play with a purpose. They play with an intensity, because they believe what they're told is going to work. It doesn't always work. Back to your later point, but they believe it's going to work if they do it the right way. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created

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Tim is an underrated when he was doing national stuff, how good and entertaining. He was an excellent. Like, it was just, it was an awesome show. You know, I think he does it now with Bruce Miller. It ain't the same. Nothing. No shot of Bruce. I just think that highly at Tim as an entertainer.

But he's really tight with Bob Salo, right? Like they're, they're boys. Yeah. Have you spent a lot of time around Robert? A little time in the meal room when, when, you know, Tim's like, hey, come sit down and talk to Bob. Carbs, proteins? What's his? Oh, he's very, he's like, he was telling somebody one time like, oh, you can't drink that because of this, this and that. So he's dialed. Very disciplined, very friendly, extremely friendly guy. Like, see him in the hallway, see him at the elevator. You know what I mean? Like, have you, you've talked to him, right?

Briefly once. I mean, I've never heard a bad word about him. I know that. sharp. He to me is clearly an NFL head coach. There's just a challenge. You know, there's some good defensive coaches right now, and I do think it's challenging to hire a defensive guy.

But Tim Ryan, did you happen to catch, I sent you the clip for people, go on Instagram, KNBR, that John mentioned earlier, there's a clip, self-promotion,

it's not about me, going around of one of my calls because they put like a GoPro in the booth, which I don't like, but people like it. What's a double pass? Right before the play, Tim breaks a what you call it like a smelling salt

it's the smelling salt like that and then the play happens so he's like an OG football guy and you're right like he's been he was on Fox for many years D-line at SC's huge long hair he's a big ass dude great hair elite I mean you got you got high end hair his hair is I would say the cream of the crop like it doesn't get any better the flow the former bear is it always wet is it is a product to you

It's not. I thought it was, but it's not. So he's a bear. It'd be sweet to go play the bears for the NFC championship game. That to me, there is nothing. You were there when they had this in Philly. We were around it with the San Francisco Giants here, especially like, I guess you were here in 2012. I wasn't living here in 2010, but from afar.

Like when you, the Phillies had it, when you win for the first time, or like when you're really in it for the first time, they're just, it's not the same the next like three times. And that's what it feels like Chicago has right now. Guy and I were at a Giants playoff game. It probably would have been 14, my guess would be. So this is like Buster Posey, Hunter Pence, and they're playing the Nationals. And Bryce Harper, I think in this game, hit one of the longest home runs, like Barry Bond, besides Barry Bond's ever hit that. The ball still flying.

It's like out in the middle of the ocean. But we didn't like, there was no place to sit. The press box, would you say, well, the Giants isn't that big? Like, we'll have to do a football press golf. And we're not press box guys. Yeah, no, we're out there rubbing the elbows with people. So we're just like standing room only kind of behind some seats. All of a sudden, it's like the sixth or seventh inning.

Might have been the seventh inning stretch. And I don't know. It happened to be the lead singer of Journey. Steve Perry. Steve Perry's right in front of us. And they just start playing. Don't stop believing. And he has a microphone.

And we're standing. I mean, it's one of those like pre, again, the phone. We're like, why is there a camera right here? Like, who is it shooting? Yeah, I think it was right. over the next couple years his phones and videos were really taken off. It was pretty when you just lived and you just experienced, you just got to tell people's story.

And you can even fake the story like his other bandmates were there and they busted out guitar. So you can say whatever you want because no one has video of it. And he just started singing, don't stop believing. And all 60 or 50,000 people, it's one of those things. You just, I'll never forget that moment to the day I die. And they came back at one, I'm pretty sure. They did. That game, they were down like, I don't know, 11 to 4 or something.

You know, they were down in that game. You remember who else we saw that day? You tried to say, you said what's up to him and he just, that was up and kept going. Do you remember? Jack Del Rio. Oh, yeah, but he wasn't coaching the Raiders yet, right? Or was he?

I think he was about to, because we were like, what, that's weird, what is he doing here? It was like out on the McCovey Coat, the landing is where we saw him, up out, right field. Maybe he had just been hired. I don't know. No, it would have been the winner. Maybe he was kind of sniffing around. I don't think he'd been hired yet, yeah.

No, he hadn't. Maybe he was out of football and he knew Mark was going to be looking for a coach. Yeah, I mean, they didn't have a coach, right? because they had fired what's his name and RIP Tony Spirano was the interim coach that that year because he took Del Rio takes over the next year probably in like January so he's yeah he's probably working the phones to get Mark I remember something like that people need is this yeah it's Jack del Rio story one person that was on a staff for a while to like a legendary story that he like told his agent right before he like was about to go into the in person interview with Mark and whoever else was like I'm going to crush this interview and this

my job by the end of the day. And I think it was, you know, at the time, they had slim pickings, right? Raiders were down and out. But then a draft, I think, Mac and Derek Carr were drafted like a couple months later and it changed forever. Actually, they would have been already on the team. He coached the Paris Muscatiers of the, our guy, Yogi Roth is like a minority owner in the team this last year.

Is that one of the, uh, UFL or AFL teams? No, it's like, it's a European football league. Quick Raider, Midlokoff story. Dennis Allen is the coach of the Raiders and we're working at the Raiders flagship one of the great honors of our lives the Raiders flagship radio station where John hosted Raider Postgame

for no extra money and um... Love the game, bro. Love the game. And we go, Dennis Allen is giving us we're in the Raider meeting room and there's all, what did the signs say like, just win baby? Anyway, we're sitting there.

Everyone's quiet. Dennis Allen is taking 10 minutes out of his day. the head coach of the Raiders, and he's up there on the stage, and there's a phone starts ringing. Like, what is going on? Middlecoff's like scrambling. Like, oh, it's John.

Doesn't silence it. Phone rings again. Dennis Allen stops. It's like looking. Middlecoff pulls the phone out. Of course, it's your mom calling. He's like, oh, sorry, it's my mom. Turn it off again.

And, uh, about as embarrassing as his tenure. It was, it was a low level look for me. Yeah. Also, there was a Raider story that, For many people don't know this when I did Raider postgame, they weren't any good. So you're reacting to these games, and they are just getting shalacked. So it's hard to be like, you know, the right tackling's really got some positive improvement you're seeing.

It's just, it's very negative. And Raider fans, they're leaving the calls, see them, peppering you with calls, also not happy. And so the Raiders, you know, they weren't happy. And I got a phone call one time after. after they were 0 and 13. No, they were 0 and 10. And their last three games or the last, what? It was right before they won that Thursday night game.

Yeah, so they're 0 and 10. And I think they just played the Rams. And it's like, Steve Spagnola might have been the, I don't even know who the coach was. And the Rams beat them like 16 or nothing. It's like, is this the worst team we've ever seen? So I tweeted out, I think 0 in 16 is possible. Their next opponents were like,

Chiefs, Harbaun Niners, just good teams like Patriots. I don't even know. It was good teams. And I got a call on the Tormac from their team president. Like, you need to take that down. That is not true. I'm like, you just lost 60 to nothing. You're 0 in 10. I just tweeted O in 16 is on the table. I don't work for you guys. That was kind of the beginning of the end. They weren't, you know, Mark Davis wasn't happy with me. And then your boy got escorted out of the building. And I think they gave you the option to stay. But Haberman drew a line in the sand and said, no moss. I'm out as well.

So he came down with me. Crazy as bad as the Raiders have been that they haven't. This is the first time they had the number one pick since 2007. I would imagine they haven't had the number one pick. Like they haven't been good for a long, long time, even over the course, like post-80s. I think they were down until Gruden got there. It's only the second I've ever had it. In the history of the franchise.

Yeah. I feel like they've had a lot of bad teams. You're not counting on 62 AFL draft. Yeah, they've had a lot of god-awful teams and they just pick fourth, fifth, or six. six. Here's a question for you. That happened this year. I mean, look at like a team drafting fifth or six or seven. There were some, for a while, they were like, we're in December. There's like five, two, three win teams. It's like they're all battling. There's a big difference getting Fernando Mendoza if you need a quarterback and just no one else.

I guess what's his name could say. I think Dante and I like Dante more if he comes out. Dylan Raola's banking on it. See that? So he's cool with him staying. There's paying him so much. doesn't matter or is that he knows he's leaving? Maybe he knows he's leaving. I mean, Dante Moore did the same thing at Oregon the year before with Dylan Gabriel. He came and sat for a year.

You paid a lot of money, but I'd be surprised if he think. Can they win a national championship with Dylan Royola? Have you done Nebraska games? Yes. I mean, maybe I'm too hard on him. I feel like he's not that good. But then I get people in my DMs are diehard Nebraska fans that are obviously we're disappointed, but I think you undersell him.

He's probably better than you think he is. Did he improve a lot this year? You do games this year at Nebraska? Yeah, I did Nebraska, Maryland. Maryland's quarterback actually is like, if as a scout, he was a freshman, so you wouldn't have scouted him this year. Five star, like elite recruit. Yeah, Malik Washington. Like, that guy's interesting.

I don't know that Dylan got better this year. Like, I think that was probably the frustration, especially because then they had Dana Holgersen as the O.C. this year and you thought, like, they were going to take a step. But I also think, like, I'm not saying he's Caleb. He's not Caleb. But he did some things where it's like they're not playing well, not playing well. and then he just makes a couple throws. He's like, oh, my God, who else makes that throw?

But he didn't do it as consistently as Caleb. Yeah. And he did it. You know, he's kind of similar to being like an Eagles quarter. Like he did Nebraska's a tough play. It's just, it's a very, it's of all the fish bowls. Like it's a major fishbowl, you know, Ohio State. Nebraska's not even sneaky like major fishbowl.

Yeah. Back to Maria showed me this clip. It made me laugh because Belichick, I mean, would have fired everyone on the spot. But the Patriot social media is actually pretty good now. And they had this girl that basically gave like a three-minute reel on Instagram of the meal that they, she just showed them. They had a night game. What, what from morning till they leave.

Actually, it started Saturday night into the all-day Sunday. So a team employee. Yeah, you know, like the team. Yeah, team reporter or whatever, team social media girl. And she just showing them with the. And Murray was fascinating. She's like, how can they eat this much? Well, you've, listen, I remember at Fresno State thinking, you've got to be very careful to not go, I can't eat like these guys.

When you go with the Niners, what's the go to? Like, how do you approach that? Well, first of all, you land at 11 p.m. and you get to the hotel and there was a full spread. They had you a snack when you get on the plane, too? Well, you can grab your Chick-fil-A on the tarmac. then you get on the plane and you have a choice of red robin burgers fried chicken salads wraps i try to go grilled chicken wrap then there's also full airplane fare you're like five different things do you want the you know the shrimp pasta or whatever then you can just walk back and there's just all these trade it's like full-sized twix bar kick cats 17 different types of chips i discovered finally this last week there is ice cream on the plane magnum bar you know it's just it doesn't stop you serve yourself You just walk back. You can ask, they'll certainly

happily serve you, but you can go back and just like start grabbing stuff out of the bins. Sour Patch kids, dangerous. You get to the place, line of food like it's a

wedding, and it's, again, you know, a lot of really good hot food. The really dangerous part, and I know you would, is the cookie ice cream bar

Friday night before the game. I always make sure to come back for that. Like, Haberman is in here a lot. He was just the meal was at 3.30, another meal at 5. a snack at eight. Sneaky, these guys eat every two hours, too.

So it's just way too much free accessible food. I get it from the player standpoint. They're burning a lot of calories. Some of those guys metabolism, they're 25. They could eat. I remember seeing like Deshawn Jackson would eat burgers and fries, wooden phase. Like, Lenore, like for him

to gain weight, it's probably going to be hard. And then you get the bigger guys that have to maintain it. But the coaching staff, it's why I have so much respect. Even like I saw this clip of John Harbaugh, his workout, Like, he's pretty dialed to have that. You talk about the ultimate discipline is who doesn't like food one. And no one in the football world doesn't like food. So like Robert Sala, who's clearly bigger now from a muscle, lower body fat standpoint than he was,

his discipline has to be a leit. I mean, is Kyle just eat air? Like, I can picture him. I've seen him once, you know. I know. I watched that L.Way doc and, you know, Kyle, the fun, the great, one of the great things out of that doc is like, skinny like 18 year old 17 15 whatever year old kyle in the background behind my holding's cords i don't know if his waist was 30 then it's probably 34 now maybe 30 he's a little bigger he's a

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Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. You know, your boy here in the peak of the Golden State War, was Kevin around on the team then? Yeah. Didn't you do a couple road trips with them? Sure did. Team meal at No Boo Manhattan. Yeah, so it's a little different animal with basketball because they eat super late, right?

They do that after the games? No, that was a night before because they had so many off days in basketball. No, that's true. You get so many off days. I have a question for you, unrelated. If you were, if you were Fernando Mendoza or any other quarterback,

would you look at the Raiders differently because Tom Brady's there? You know, like, if Brady's not there, you're like, I don't know if I want to play for the Raiders. I don't know if the coach is, unstable, blah, blah, blah. But then you get free access to one of the, you know, arguably the greatest quarterback at all the time. I think it's going to be very,

I think it's going to be very telling. I don't know what he did last year and we'll have to see I mean they don't even have a coach right so who they hire who's the if that guy's an offensive play caller you know with Matt Ryan like Matt Ryan's gonna be at the combine

I would guess like is Tom at the combine for this one because to me he has to be if you're gonna play you can't it's a one thing I respect about Elway is when Elway became the GM like Elway quit everything else that just became the GM

now was he working as hard as like John Snyder or whatever I don't know on a daily basis He saw, he had to sell his car dealerships too, right? Yeah, it was his, he went all in, right? And Matt Ryan, at first it was reported. He was like, hey, you know, Matt's going to still do CBS. Like, you can't.

That's not going to work. Matt Ryan, I was watching on CBS. You were probably on the bust of the game. He actually gave a pretty good, like, they talked about it. And it was just, like, Matt Ryan's an impressive guy. And he's like, I'm all in, right? I'm going to be. Because that's what, how are you going to beat, like, Lesney, John Schneider,

John Lynch, Kyle? Like, this guys, these are these guys' lives 24-7, 366. So to me, Tom, which I don't blame him, he's playing at these sweet country clubs in Florida. He's living life. He takes the PJ the night before the game. But if you're going to impact this, like you need to be a little bit more involved. If you're going to come in with opinions like you got to hire Chip Kelly. Why?

Because Bill told you their buddies? Like from what I told is Chip was on the phone with his coaching buddies like 60% of the day. It's like you would never have allowed that to happen, Tom, if you were in the, it wouldn't have been tolerated. You would have snapped as a player, let alone like what you're rolling. is now. But when you're out of sight out of mind, I just think it's going to be interesting. Does he get more involved? Because the one thing that I've always

defended Mark is Mark really wants this to work and he's just trying to get some help. He begged John Gruden to do it, gave him $100 million. He begged Tom Brady. He was the guy that went to Tom. You know, he's trying to do, like, Mark is at, like people crush Mike Brown, somebody's like, do they

care or not? Like, you know Mark tries. And he goes, like, I don't really know what I'm doing. I don't even want to try this. He's gone after John Gruden and Tom Brady. And so far it's all blown up in his face, but it's not from lack of effort. I do think that Fernando Mendoza, if Tom goes to the combine,

and surely he's going to be involved, I would imagine he would fly out for a workout or something to meet him. Like, how do you? It'd be pretty exciting if you were him to do it. I think Tom's really like, to me, if I was a betting man right now, I could see Robert Sol of being the coach there. He was a type guy they need.

Assuming he'd even take. yesterday. I saw somebody say, like, did Tom Brady just see what Robert Sala just did? Not that the Eagles offense is some juggernaut, but like Robert Sala's performance with a bunch of like it was kind of Belichick-esque in that, you know, Belichick obviously had good players. You can't not have good players, but maximized his talent. She goes two talking? I, no, I didn't.

It doesn't mean they didn't. But wasn't it after a play? Was it after a playoff game that John Lynch called Kyle Shannon? I was like, hey, I could come be your GM. Like, I do think there is a pretty significant value. You meet with these people. You study them. You watch them up close.

I do think the television thing, you get such access to coaches. Like, I bet people would be surprised how much. You know, you saw the Akeman news. Like, some of this stuff has become a little more public. How many Packer games do you think Troy's done in the last 20 years? Yeah, I think people would be surprised to find out. I don't want to say the influence that some of these big, analysts have, but they are, they can be kind of unofficial search firm help, you know,

when you call a guy. Because who meets with this many coaches other than big time TV analysts? College too, right? Like, let's just say you're hiring a college football coach and you're hiring at Texas. So like you have the pick of the litter. Well, who I want to call? Like, well, who meets with the most offensive coordinators and defensive coordinators? I want to call, let me call Joel Clatt.

let me call, you know, like, we'll explain that. If you're doing Indiana, Nebraska and you're meeting with Indiana, how does it work? Who do you talk with and how does it go? So if we're doing a football game, we, on Wednesday, we'll do a Zoom with the visiting team with the head coach for 30 minutes or an hour. You have 30 minutes to an hour with the head coach, 30 minutes with each the offensive coordinator, the defensive coordinator. You probably talk to the quarterback for 15 minutes, that sort of thing. And then on Friday, we'll fly in and then Friday morning we'll go to the team facility. And you'll sit down in a meeting room one on one.

So you'll get the coordinator, the coordinator, the head coach, and then some players. And we'll also go to practice on Friday. 9.9 times out of 10, you'll go to walk through on Friday. So you'll watch, you'll actually watch them practice. Like you'll watch a coach, you know, like do stuff. Would you say the NFL's the same? So I think there's a little more like Saturday. I think there's a little more Zoom in the NFL.

I'm not positive. I don't know their schedule as well. I do think some guys will go to, you know, practice. I guess you'd go through like a, what, a Friday walkthrough? Or you go to a Saturday walkthrough. I remember seeing guys at the facility if we had a Sunday afternoon Big Fox game or the Sunday night game, like the big boys would be in the cafeteria. I felt like on Friday afternoon. Yeah.

Okay. So you will get some of that. Probably not both teams. Because Saturdays, a lot of places, a quick walkthrough guys are at home, right? Or, you know, they kind of get, it's kind of a day off. Yeah. It's just a weird deal to be there. there two extra days, right, to come in Friday and then what do you do Saturday if you're,

you know, whoever. So I would imagine you get quite a bit, especially a little more people are making $15 million now. You got a PJ. Like, you're probably not coming in on Friday as much. Well, how many of these guys are flying commercial airlines anymore? Like all the big boys calling these games. Yeah. That's. G. Haberman. But so. I think Tom Brady matters. Yeah. I also think at first The broadcast thing, too, keeps them elevated at a high level. I don't know. He obviously, they paid him $370 million, but I do think, especially now, I was a hater last year.

He's kind of hitting his stride. He's past Romo. I mean, Roland was going the other way because Tom's a football guy likes how easy Tom Brady calls. Do you know what he's dropping a lot? I thought he got banned. He's like, yeah, talking to Kyle? He's dropping a lot of that, you know, because those guys call him.

You think Kyle doesn't answer his call, you know? It's one thing. I wonder if it would be different if the Raiders are the AFC West champs. Like right now, like, yeah, Tom,

I'll tell you whatever. Right. Well, specifically to me, where it would get weird would be like the Andy, Sean Peyton Harbaugh crew have to be a little uncomfortable.

They're not, they're not talking to Tom a lot, I think. Very specific to that division, those three guys, but like Kyle or Sean McVeigh, what do they give a shit, right?

Why would that? You think Kyle's happy or mad to pick up Tom Brady's call? Like, he's got questions for Tom. But yeah, I just, I think it's, I think people would be surprised the level of. And again, like, think about who would you ask but the guys that gets to talk to all these guys? Because they'll have a list for you.

Like, you know who's impressive? Because here's the other thing that happens. You go to practice. You're out there 15 minutes before practice starts. Like, you just, here comes the running back. The quarterback coach. I love talking to like, you go on the field before the game. And you're just talking to like the assistant QB coach.

And guess what? That guy's an OC in five years. Right? So like that's how I get. I mean, you're great at it. Like I talked to scouts on the field before the game. And I'll say like, hey, what do you think of? What do you think of this guy?

I run into all your buddies. And I'm like, hey, middle cough. Like, oh, yeah. So there's just so much, there's so much information that is just there is no replacement for human to human contact when it comes to information gathering. And that's what you did. That's why you were driving your Honda court throughout the country because it's better to meet with somebody face to face. You're going to get so much good intel. I don't know if he.

I mean, you see him at these games. I think he still goes to 49 games. But one of the greatest sideline bullshitters and networkers I've ever seen is Mike Silver. I mean, his talent is. I see him all the time. He is. He will know everyone on the sideline getting, he's getting my number when I was a nobody. I mean, he's got the head.

This guy can just, I mean, it's a talent. And the better you are at it. In those jobs, it gives you much more access. I mean, when I worked for, when I first got hired for the Eagles, you know, this is 2010. So it's not like there weren't cell phones. Howie used to call the office line. You know, that ain't happened anymore. Or not, excuse me, Adam Schaeffer used to call Howie's office line,

and Katie would be like, Adams on the phone. Like that's, you know, but back then, you know, you're just working the phone. You know, you don't know people as well, maybe. And at this point in time, the network I feel like in football, probably like in all sports, but specifically the NFL is like shrunk. I feel it's really close down right now.

It's like the same crew of like three or four guys getting all the jobs. Yeah. And now maybe a change, like the Ravens used to be a, right, a springboard for a lot of the league. So that might change. Steelers probably not as much. But I mean, the Ravens are, you know, Mike McDonald, Minter is probably going to be a head coach, all their personnel guys. You know, does that get blown up? But obviously, Kyle and McVeigh have been going pretty strong.

I feel like Andrew guys were getting. Yeah. They were getting jobs and it didn't really work out for any of them. But if I give one piece of advice to like a 22-year-old doing anything, it would be like, ask for the phone, ask for a phone number. People will nine times out of 10 give you their phone number. You know, I think a lot to figure out, like, just ask that coach for his phone and then like start texting him. It's cool.

I was like, you grew up, you wanted to like call games, right? And that it felt like an unattainable be on TV or call an NFL major league baseball game. Do you think there are a lot of kids now that want to do that or they're more likely to like, I want to make content for TikTok and Reels? I mean, for sure. But I just think like, there's my point is there's

less depth of talent coming up that actually makes it easy because one of my brother's best friends is a general contractor he's like no one wants to do these jobs I'm getting double the amount of work because my competition is diminishing interesting

I think there's more because like I think there's more to do you can do more like you can you know when I started I was willing to do whatever for free or next to nothing so I did but it had to be on a radio station or a local TV station

or whatever. You can go do your own thing right now, wherever you want to do it. And I think more people have kind of seen that. And there's, I get a lot of, like, if I go to a college game, without fail,

at least one or two students comes up to me and ask some advice, which is great. I did the same thing when I was at a game. But yeah, it feels like, if I, if you look out right now, there's just like a bunch of guys in their mid to late 20s

out of Syracuse, just like doing big time stuff. Noah Eagles is killing it. he's excellent and that's an exception but there's still there's a lot of guy I do think there's a power because it's never been easier

if I was like 20 years old to say oh I sent a bunch of emails and I sent a bunch of LinkedIn messages like the phone call and obviously getting in person is way harder and it's easier to justify like I didn't have to do it

because I already contacted him like I sent him four DMs or I sent him five emails. emails, right? And that's where I wonder the people that are going to separate, because I see it with Maria's in real estate, like younger people that are hustling, that they're, they're physical showing up really separate because a lot of people are going to say, well, I called, you know, I sent five text messages or whatever. So I can't people just delete that. I mean, you know, you're about to have a baby. I just had a baby. Yeah, I was going to, I was going to end with some father, some parenting

advice. He's, he's, uh, two months old. And so, you know, I'm watching a lot of parenting videos. And they all say any parent watching this or listening to this. I mean, you know, there's a million of you out, more than a million of you out there. So like, I'm not breaking any ground here. But they all just say grit. Like I've watched a lot of videos. They're like, don't tell your kid he's smart. Don't be like, oh, you're so smart.

Complement them on. They did this study where they took two groups of kids and they had them take a test. And then after the test, they told one half of the kids, good job working through all the problems. And they told the other half of the kids, wow, you're so smart. And then they told the test. they retested and the test was a little harder. And the kids that they just said, you're so smart to tested worse than the kids that they complimented,

like how hard they worked on it. Right. And that was really interesting. That was really interesting. Have you already used that to your young son? Oh yeah. I'm not telling me smart ever. And based on the genetics,

what would you say early was in on this? Parenting advice slash, you know, the experience for the two months has been like, Oh, God, that's a great question. I would say it is, it is like you hear people say all the time and it's true like, oh, mom's a superhero. It is so true. And like your only job, not your only job, but the main job is just like, hey, whatever you're feeling, it is impossible for me to understand what you're feeling.

It is impossible when your body is about to physically go. through, especially, you know, if it's like a planned surgery. So I would say that's the, you just like, you wake up every day, you tell you say, today I'm going to be the most patient person I can possibly be. And that's the number one thing I need to do today. So I mean, that's up there. And then, yeah, it's like, I don't even, the lack of sleep is, I think if you're working a nine to five, the lack of sleep is probably a factor. if you're a podcaster like you'll be fine

it's called playoff game no big deal you'll be fine you know what I mean like I get like that's where I really I think it's probably when people like oh I slept four hours last night like you can get up at 430 I've enjoyed that get up at 430 put the baby down for like three hours

I remember seeing a meme one time like I became a dad and I finally understand while my dad used to sit alone at the breakfast nook at 430 a.m. with his coffee it's like you do you get it immediately just your own peace and quiet yeah yeah it's incredible man yeah congratulations and just buckle up i don't you know you just you start you starts getting close and you start thinking this thing's are really about to be here you know my life is never going to be the same

in a great way but it's like whoa this is i i better you feel a lot of pressure you know of just doing it right being the right type person because your your actions like you at not only your words as they get older, but like the way you conduct yourself, the way it's going to be a huge role model of the kid, especially early on in their life before they're out and about with friends through junior high and high school.

But like that stretch of, in their single digits as they become a human being and walking and talking, they're just looking at you and her. So you better be a freaking good role model. You can't just emotionally snap when the internet's slow or get pissed off, you know, just stuff that just doesn't really matter.

That's what you kind of think about. You're like, how much stuff in life is kind of true? trivial and doesn't really matter that much. It's like when you hear older people, you go, you know, I stop giving a shit when I realized none of it actually mattered. I think I read something or heard someone say that on average, this person that worked at like a funeral home that said by far less than 10 people cry at a funeral or something. It's like, so just you just start realizing like in your life, it's such a small amount of people that truly care. Like usually

like you're immediate. The point was usually immediate family. Like people have been in business with and, you know, random neighbors and stuff. It's like not saying they don't care. but like emotionally or just a wreck at a funeral. It's a very small percentage, even on big funerals. So it's like you realize like how many people are truly. And no one's going to be more dependent on you than that little individual. And as they get bigger, hell, they ideally, you know, grow up and healthy and happiness. And no, just kind of can live a successful life and whatever they want to do.

But you are a big conduit of leading them somewhat in the direction around. That's what's crazy. I think there's a lot of things you worry about right away that like are not. like can I change it? This is the dad diaries. I added something to the podcast every Tuesday. I did the dad diaries. And last week it was like all the scams of different things you buy and you were looking back. Like you and I've talked about it. Like I feel like I just had a crib and like a blanket as a kid. And I get it times have changed. But, you know, and that stuff you look back and kind of laugh at. Best thing we got is the pacifier. Someone was like, what's the best thing you got? I'm like the pacifier. Like it's the only thing I need is the passifier. It's the only thing I need is the passifier bottles. Right. Even the bottle cleaner. This thing we got is insane. It's. It's. It was super hot. You're doing all these different contractions. Like, this is great. My mom, no way she had this.

We did not, one, it didn't exist. But again, I look back and there's nothing wrong with it. It was just like, I feel like I just had a crib in my room. And then even when I became like a, like, 10, I feel like I just had a bed and a couple pieces of clothes. I don't know. I didn't have that much stuff. The craziest thing we got this kid as a cell phone. Like, you know, but we got our cell phone all the time.

I think, you guys got us the little mat with like the little things hanging. Like, he likes that. that's a good one. But it's just stuff that like you think, can I change a diaper? And then it's just, I was terrified of it. I was like, God, I don't know,

this is kind of smelly. And then it's fine. But I'm also aware, it's been eight weeks. Like right now it's just manual labor. I haven't had to make any hard decisions about how do I lead this child yet. You know what I mean? Like that to me seems to be the part. What do I give them?

The emotional part is he goes off to junior high. Yeah, like that's the part that right now I'm just like, it's just willpower. Can I get up? Well, I have to. I got shoved in bed the other night for snoring, and it wasn't me. It was the baby. And I got, I got punched in the arm. Good snore, like good loud snore. It's going to freak you out, these babies sleeping, the noise there. You're like, is he okay? Like, I think he's choking right now.

Like, no, that's just, that's how babies. I do think it's crazy. I mean, she's literally about to pop. How they can just live in that thing for that long? how they survive. That's, that's, I'll finish with this, John. I, and this is something hopefully people watching this will have some, I keep asking people who have been parents for a long time, like, does this feeling when you look at them of total disbelief, does that go away?

Or are you just always in, because right now I am, just in total disbelief. Like, where did you come from? Where did you come from? My dad would say like, well, yeah, when he rear ends a car and drives home and says, dad we got a problem and show like that starts happening yes the disbelief turns into swear words screams and things being thrown at you but right now when they're you're like you're like you were like a block from home yeah you know it's like uh you get caught with you know your buddy's bag of weed under your bed you're like there is no disbelief there is just eyes of like

are they gonna kill me right now uh so yeah i'd say yeah and i think i think it definitely fades uh if this is brought up police like out the window. It's John? What time does the bird take off from Santa Clara or SFO? Santa Clara. SFO, San Francisco,

back 1 o'clock, one o'clock bus on Friday. So I get first bus, so I get to the Chick-fil-A-first, which I skip. Self-control. What will you do? You do anything Friday night or just going to lock in? Lock in.

Yeah, it's a big one. You can just get, I don't know, another legendary car call on the hill. history of a franchise. You don't think they're going to win, do you? I mean, I didn't think they were going to win last week. It's weird. I say the same thing about the Bears. I'm not betting against them. I think I saw the seven and a half points feels a little strong, but the George Kittle thing, it's one thing in the moment. Like, that's pretty devastating. You know, just it's kind of important. No, Tonj just makes a place. I don't know. Can Trent Williams walk today?

That's, yeah. They played six games without George. They beat him without. I mean, George got hurt in the first game. Yeah. Who are you picking to win the Super Bowl? I think if the Bills win this week, watch out, like it might just be. He was a man amongst boys in that game. Now, their team's not as good, but I'm not betting on Bo Nix. The Rams look way off. Who knows? Maybe Seattle, if Sam Donald's on, they're going to be really good.

The Patriots, I don't know. I think it's wide open. If the Niners had a couple more bodies, like they could win it. Can they win four games with the crew they're rolling out? It'd be the greatest accomplishment anyone has ever seen. It would be. Okay. Adios, Haberman.

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