The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - MNF Reaction, Vikings TRADE J.J. McCarthy to Giants, Drake Maye Struggling, Baker Mayfield Injured + NFL Week 3 Mailbag

Episode Date: September 29, 2026

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and Case Keenham and Ben Johnson steal the night. Dominate, destroy work, Siriani and the Eagles. We will dive into that game off the top. What, uh, not sure I quite saw that coming. A lot, a lot going on the night.

We have, uh, JJ McCarthy was traded today. Um, not sure I had that on my bingo card. I guess not crazy. The Giants need a quarterback, but Monday morning, J.J.

McCarthy. to the Giants, so we'll tackle that. Drake May, maybe Jaden Daniels returns. We'll do some mailbag questions at John Middletoff. But Case Keenham, what a cool moment for him. You guys know the drill. If you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe to Three and Out. If you want to watch us, we're up on a little place called Netflix.

You can hit the alert button and never miss an episode. We also put up content on the YouTube. page, just type in three and out John Middlecalf and you can find us. But you guys know the drill. Let's just dive right in. You know, it's not even debatable at this point. The power and the impact Ben Johnson has had on this franchise. I mean, I was thinking about this during the second half of that game. I do think that the majority of coaches, their backup quarterback, Tyson Bajid, who gets a concussion and who's missed most of the week in the concussion protocol, but then gets cleared over the weekend.

You know, he's been with Ben every step of the way as of Case, but let's be real. He convinced Case, who was, you know, by all accounts, he said during his press conference during the week that he was planning on basically hanging it up. And Ben flies him to Chicago, convinces him to play, clearly as like a coach, mentor, to be in the quarterback room as a player, but kind of be an extension of the coaching staff, which was smart. They have, you know, a second year quarterback, a guy that's been around, a mature guy who can speak the language of the coaches through the players, or excuse me, through the coach's view as a player. It makes a lot of sense. And I just believe that a lot of coaches would have gone

with Tyson once he's cleared to play. Because we see this consistently in the NFL at every position. Now, case has been around the block. Clearly, their rapport with Ben, him and Ben, is pretty impressive. But I did not see that coming. You know, I thought the Bears being at home, place would be crazy. The Eagles aren't exactly the 07 pats when it comes to offense of football. It wouldn't have shocked me if it was a close game going into the fourth quarter. Maybe the Eagles win by a field goal and the Bears cover.

Kind of was my expectation. maybe the Bears could pull out some crazy win. I don't think most people, especially everyone sitting in Soldier Field, including Case Keenham, thought they would show up and beat the shit out of them. And it basically started from the opening drive. And I do wonder, and maybe they'll talk about this,

I'm recording this right after the game, in the post-game press conference. As Ben felt very confident, you know, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, implementing the game plan, the first 15 plays. with Case doing it and it's like no reason to change to Tyson even though if case got injured early in the game Tyson would have played so he was ready but that first drive just boom bang boom bang touchdown was like okay Ben Johnson's as Kay said after the game in his bag expect that right Ben is an elite offensive play caller but we see this a lot all over the NFL and all over college that first series for a lot of offense

of play callers, because you can practice it over and over, rep it out Thursday, Friday, Saturday, walk through it again on Sunday for a Monday night game. You have all Monday to go over those plays. Everyone knows they're coming. How does it look as you go second, third quarter? And Case just kept getting better. Eagles didn't sack him. He was, it wasn't just like dinking and dunk it either. He was pushing the ball down the field. He was hanging in there as he was about to get hit. He was accurate. I mean, he threw a touchdown in the back. of the end zone to Rome that he double caught and ultimately got pushed out of the end zone so it didn't count

and then they obviously went forward on fourth down and didn't get it. But if you had to give Case Keenham a grade on this game, because listen, I think most games I would subtract last week, Flores has a little ownership over Ben. But Ben typically most games as a play caller is going to be like a B plus A minus minimum. And have a lot of games like week one.

We're like, that's an A plus. so your expectations for Ben Johnson are really high. But besides like Case Keenham's wife, his children, maybe his parents and his in-laws, I don't know the expectation could have been that high. And he blew and exceeded everyone. I mean, that's like a, that's an A performance. You give a 38-year-old guy who's basically retired, doesn't play, comes to mentor, has that moment against Vic Fangio on Monday night football.

And it'd be one thing if it's like, well, they're running like double-passed. and he hit a couple hook and ladders and they hit a flea flicker. It's like they were just running the offense and he was excelling. Now, you know, on the big touchdown pass was a little behind him, but still like delivering balls, catchable balls, on time, in rhythm, manipulating the pocket, keeping plays alive within the pocket, the play where he got him to jump off sides late in the fourth quarter, the touchdown, which he snuck, which clearly the deep.

defensive linemen didn't see coming. It was an exceptional performance. And honestly, you know, the NFL now with the Mahomes and the Lamars and the Josh Allen's, it's a star-driven league. And there's not really very often like the little engine that could. Like, listen, I'm a big golf guy. You see guys win golf tournaments that have been like up and down on the PGA tour. They're down and out.

They start selling insurance all. a sudden at like 41 they win a big golf tournament it's an incredible moment there in tears. That's what this kind of felt like with Case Keenham. Because my guess would, again, maybe Ben says something different in the press conference that Tice, if Caleb's out next week, that Tyson is your starter. Could be wrong, maybe he just sticks with a hot hand. Wouldn't be a crazy thing to do. But when you build up Tyson, you give him the extension, I would guess that he would get a start.

and if he does, like this might be the only snaps we see of Case Keenham. And if that is like the last snaps he ever takes in his career, what an incredible moment. In Chicago, Soldier Field, as an underdog at home, and just absolutely light up Vic Fangio in that defense like a Christmas tree. And outplay Caleb Williams by a pretty wide margin. You know, I mean, if you just, obviously the stat sheet, he threw for a hundred more yards than him, he completed.

eight more balls. They relied on him more. I mean, he threw the ball 34 times. He was just efficient, effective, and was really fantastic. And, you know, it's like Ben Johnson versus Siriani. Like, it's not Ben Johnson versus Siriani. Like, Siriani doesn't call any of the sides of the ball, right?

It's really Ben Johnson versus Vic Fangio. Right? I mean, that's a fact. Like, that's what tonight is about. And Dennis Allen against Sean Manion. like that's the game. I mean, Siriani, who,

listen, his record speaks for itself. He's been very, very successful. He's a Super Bowl champion. You can never take that away from him. But I do believe, and listen, coaches get emotional, they get angry.

I totally allow that. I got no problem with screaming. Belichick screamed at players in his heyday on NFL films. It happens. But I don't know another coach in the NFL that, you know,

Jalen gets crushed on the sideline, which, like, this isn't two-hand touch. This is tackle. It was like right on the out-of-bounds line. It was like he's a running quarterback, which is a power that he possesses. So my guy Charles Woodson said, he was in bounds. It's like, this is, what's he supposed to do? Hey, just go on out of there. Like, that's not the way this sport goes.

He gets hit. He flies, gets decleted. Siriani's all up in his feelings. obviously Jalen was fine and the Eagles got screwed because he's got to go to the blue 10 he's not concussed and then Andy Dalton throws the touchdown. I'll give the Eagles a pass on that drive. The red rifle comes in and throws it

drive in the field, throws a pick. But Siriani pointing, you know, at the Bears linebacker that took him out and screaming, you're a pussy, you're a pussy on Monday night football. Like, Siriani's like taking a guy from the third level at the Lincoln Financial and giving him a headset and making him head coach. I mean, that's

pretty crazy when you really think about it. And I'm not saying that, like, I'm offended or anything. I don't care. It's funny. But no other coach in the league is doing that. It's like, is the pussy, Nick? Like, the guy would probably beat the fuck out of you. Obviously, Big Dom would have your back and protect you.

But like, come on. Like, the NFL's fine and use check for drinking beers when it's juice. Serianity's got to get fine for screaming. You're a pussy to another player in the middle of the game. I thought that was pretty egregious, you know? And especially it's like, hey man, your offense has issues.

Like one thing you never have to worry about again if you're a Bears fan. It will never cross your mind. Is our offense going to work? That is the power of having not a good, a great offensive coordinator. Can you win when you're starting quarterbacks on the sideline? Kind of looking like he's about to go rob a bank. I mean, that picture went pretty viral of the shades. Granted, he took him off.

but kind of funny, you know, I think it was like the Blu-ray, you know, glasses that kind of help you fall asleep after the game. Maybe I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that one. But the power of a great offensive play caller is when you're starting quarterback who, after the first game, people were like, this guy can win the MVP. I mean, he's the number one overall pick is just gone. And who knows? Maybe let's just assume Caleb's gone several games. Can you just win? because let's just go in this century, right?

The best coaches, Andy Reid back to Philly, McNabb, missed a bunch of games, won games all sorts of quarterbacks. You know, you go back to Sean Payton, Drew Breeze got hurt, he's won games with Teddy Bridgewater and James Winston in New Orleans. Kyle Shanahan last year won a bunch of games with Mack freaking Jones. Made him a legit trade asset. That is the power of having an offensive coach who is great. And that's what, like, I already thought this about Ben Johnson, but you have moments like this

with Case Keenham. Now, I get it. Jared Goff wasn't viewed as the number one overall pick when the Lions got him, like his stock was really down. But he was the number one overall pick. When his career's over, he'll make $500 million in career earnings. Like, he's a pretty high-end player. You know, several Pro Bowls, a ton of crazy stats, go to the playoffs a bunch.

Like, it's a high-end player. And Caleb is viewed as like an elite talent. But you can just win games with 38-year-old Case Keenham against a playoff team. That is big time. So whatever the Bears are paying, Ben Johnson, which by all accounts was a lot of money. I think it was like $13 million. The Bears definitely never paid a coach that much. He is severely underpaid.

It's not even close. And on the flip side, it's like, well, Siriana, the offense is not his baby. They hire Sean Mannion, who runs a complete different offense than Jaylins ever ran, who runs an offensive or I mean a run oriented offense in theory and early in this game the Bears defense

based on their personnel I don't think we'd call like some elite unit and Seaquin look good it kind of felt like high school watching him I know we got the stinger he's got kind of the little cowboy collar thing on it's like this is like 24 Sequan

the burst the explosion he was really productive 10 7 come out a half what do the Eagles do three and out three and out three and out. But it's not just, listen, sometimes you go three and out. Bill Walshwin, three and out. Your run game is working. When Ben Johnson and his run game gets going, do you know what he does? He calls another run. Then he calls another run. Because not only is it

effective, you start controlling and dictating the game time-wise, and you physically exhaust and emotionally wipe out the other team. It takes their soul. And Sequin had moments early on, it's like just keep handing them the rock. And the first two drives, the first two, three and outs of the second half, after Sequin, had a bunch of momentum in the game. Run, pass, pass. And this is what I said. It's like, everyone shits

on the Eagles coordinators when it's not going well. And maybe some of these guys aren't that good. I don't know. Right? Kellyn Moore as Tyler Shuck, who was like 30 years old, throwing four or five touchdown passes a game. So obviously he's a good offensive mind. But everyone told me the guy last year was an idiot. So you hire this new guy.

It's like, well, he's going to implement this new system. They look exactly the same. And there's no rhythm. There's no flow to their play calling. When you watch a good play caller, it just worked. There's like a consistent theme to what they're doing. I feel like the Eagles are just closing their eyes

and throwing darts at the wall hoping one sticks. And sometimes it does. All of a sudden, Jalen will make a big play or Sequin will have like a 15, 20-yard run. But a lot of times, it's like, is that one of the worst offensive series I've ever seen? Punt.

You know? They just do that again? Punt. They do that all the time. And obviously, Jalen, again, like it's, he got screwed. They were driving the field and he gets yanked out

after the big hit of a concussion that he didn't have because of the rules in the NFL and obviously he was mad and Dalton throws the pick. But then the second half, when the game's still on the balance, there is no flow to their passing game. And it's, you know, Ty Lemon was I think banged up in training camp.

You draft him number 20 overall. Like we've seen some guys. What pick was JSN? You know, it's like the expectation, what pick was Justin Jefferson? You know, my expectations for a guy drafted 20 at wide receiver is pretty high. And I'm not just blaming him

because a couple times maybe he's open, Jaylon's just not thrown. But their rapport right now is not existed. And, you know, you can tell me the AJ Brown thing, he had to go and I understand that. There are personal dynamics. You got to get a divorce.

He wants out. But you feel that big presence of that. Like, Devante Smith weighs 180 pounds. Excellent player. And he's your number one. But it's like you're going to depend on this rookie who feels a little overwhelmed. Wicks. You know, Dallas Goddard's out.

So it's like Sequin isn't exactly like Gibbs out of the backfield in terms of throwing him the ball. So you're pretty dependent on the wide receivers. Jaylan's not the tallest guy. And their passing game, to me, just looks identical to last year. So you can remove and insert a new person and things stay the same. You know, he obviously threw the bad interception where in his mind, and why would you not, I'm going to Devante Smith no matter what.

That's who I'm going to. Because unlike previous years, I got Devante and AJ. And, you know, Goddard's are injured. So you typically would have three options of pretty elite pass catchers. Now it's like Goddard's injured. You have AJ also injured on another team. I definitely don't trust this rookie from USC that might not have any clue what's going on.

I'm just not throwing the ball. And I'm just going to lock in on this. And I throw it right to the other team. I mean, I hit them right in the numbers. And that's what happened. And it just feels like I just couldn't believe they got away from the run game early in the third quarter. And a good offensive coordinator.

and I'm not putting that on Jalen. Like that's on the coordinator. Like we're calling three straight fucking runs coming out of this half. We have Seyquan Barkley who makes a boatload of money and who showed flashes of being the guy that we paid a boatload of money for and he deserved it. Which, you know, hadn't really seen last, I feel like last year and not really this year either. Not always his fault, the O-line, but like this, this, today and he was going.

As he should, the Bears defense, this is in 1984. and then you just get away from it. And, you know, the other element to the Eagles, like their defense statistically through three games is not good. They get no pressure. They get no pressure. They've paid Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis a lot of money. Now, in fairness to them, you know, we were eating dinner and stuff,

didn't have the volume super loud. I don't remember hearing the defensive tackles names that often. Definitely didn't feel their presence in the second half. Like, I mean, part of Palin Jalen Carter like he's going to be Aaron Donald, or Miles Garrett is like, I kind of need you to be that. And then they're not getting any pressure off the edge. They have three sacks on the season. I saw in terms of the time in which they get pressure,

it's the slowest in the league. They haven't created a turnover. I mean, Fangio's making a ton. Quinion Mitchell's making some plays. Their DBs are okay, but their front is just, they're just not getting to the quarterback. I mean, it's not like Case Keenum was just one step to get rid of the ball. He had some time back there.

So when you look at the Bears, like, yeah, they're going to have some defensive issues in some games. But their coach is elite at calling place. He will figure it out. And clearly he has a great idea of how to create a game plan going into a game. What's like the Eagles is like there's no balance. It's like well the offense is not doing that good and the defense isn't doing that good. And they don't really work together.

They're like independent contractors. Head coach is calling his opponent a gigantic pussy. You know, it's like what is going on? And I get it. Siriani's emotional. I am too. Many of you are too. We're humans.

But it's like head coach, Lennonite football, you're screaming that, why your team looks like crap? I mean, come on, man. Come on, bro. What are we doing? And Ben Johnson just kicks your ass for the second straight year.

Like, there's no, like right now, the Ben Johnson era, there is some serious onage of the Eagles. Serious onage. I mean, that is, that's back-to-back years of like, Yeah, we're going to bully you.

It's one thing last year, Caleb's playing. Yeah, we're going to bully you with Case Keenham. We're going to bully you. That's a tough one for Philly's not going to be happy. Oh, yeah, you've got the Rams coming up who are licking their wounds and have an extra day arrest. And the Bears get the Jets, who, as of Monday, look like they got some serious injuries to some impact players on offense, who are very important for the Jets, and they've looked good through three games.

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Okay, let's go to the Minnesota Vikings and their decision to punt on J.J. McCarthy. They didn't wave the white flag today or on Monday when they traded them in the New York Giants. They did that way early in the offseason. Anyone with a working brain and wasn't emotionally tied to this situation knew it was over before it even began.

After last season for a team that feels they are ready to compete when they brought in Kyler Murray and then re-signed Carson Wentz. And once they announced at the start of the season that he was the third string quarterback, it was like there's no going back. Because

the second string quarterback essentially played two games. Kyler Murray got hurt on the first series of the game week one. So Carson Wentz played all week one and obviously started week two. They were done with J.J. McCarthy. And football, like in life, you're going to

to make mistakes. And in this line of work, you're dealing with human beings. You are projecting out people in a pressure-packed public environment with a ton of money on the line. And one thing I enjoy about the NFL right now is it kind of parallel society. You know, people can bitch and moan how, you know, great the 90s and the 80s and the 70s and how much slower-paced life was. And I agree.

There are parts of that that were probably, uh, would be healthier in our life. But we're not going back. And the pace in which everything happens now is rapid speed. In a lot of industries, you got to pivot fast because of what is on the line. And football used to have a longer runway. As a coach, as a quarterback,

at really any position. Because once you were drafted high or became the head coach somewhere and got a four or five year contract, they didn't have the financial means to pay you to go away. The league wasn't this multi-billion dollar industry. So you weren't coaching year to year

unless you were an Andy Reeder, Bill Belichick. And now it feels like, like Matt LaFleur made the playoffs last year. And it feels like he's a couple games away from everyone wanting to be fired in the middle of the season. And honestly, it doesn't even feel that weird. We have now seen countless quarterbacks

drafted high by year three. over you, no chance. You know why? Because the pressure and the intensity on that operation do win is so high. And if you don't, you will get fired, unless you're the Colts and somehow Ballard and Shane Stuy can keep holding on. But a huge part of this decision by the Minnesota Vikings was, we can't play a game with this guy. This guy can't function in our offense. And listen, did they mis-evaluate J.G. McCarthy? Of course they did. He has serious flaws. He has no touch. He can't layer throws. He struggles to throw change-ups. And in the NFL, you can't only throw fast balls. You have to layer balls over defenders. You have to have

touch on certain routes throughout the game when pressure is impacting you. You have to stand within the pocket and deliver strikes accurately. And clearly he was incapable of doing that. And they told you this off season when they brought in multiple guys, well I guess Wentz back, and Kyler Murray, they were done with

him. And once it becomes public, he didn't win the job. Well, actually he didn't win the second string job. It was over. Because this season is a good example. If he was the backup quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings, he would have essentially

just played two of their three games. Because Kyler Murray got hurt in the first series when he got knocked out against the Packers. Carson Wentz played that entire game and then he started the next week. They were not comfortable with putting him on the field because no matter what they say, they didn't trust him to run the offense. And by year three, he couldn't get it done. And historically, like, you would have ridden it out a little bit.

Even if he wasn't playing, you probably aren't shipping a 23-year-old out of town. but the pressure of the intensity, no one has time anymore. And listen, you can say that is a problem in the NFL, in society. We're so rushed and everything moves faster than it ever has. But that is the world we live in. And the Minnesota Vikings,

I never have a problem with being aggressive and swinging for the fences. And sometimes when you do that, you make contact and the ball goes over the fence. And you hit a home run. and sometimes you swing and your miss. And football is never going to change. You are going to draft players in the first round

that are not going to work for whatever reason. Maybe it is your team sucks and you're the problem. In this case, I think it's pretty fair to say J.J. McCarthy is the problem. And for the Minnesota Vikings, he cannot play. Now, I don't know what changes overnight, like coaching points that are different. from Nagy and Callahan and Greg Roman.

I don't really even think it's about that. The Giants are operating out of desperation. They have James Winston who can't play. His arm doesn't seem to work. He had a play yesterday where he clearly went the right way and took out Camp Scataboo, which they are extremely lucky. He did knock him back into the end zone for safety.

He did dislodge the ball. They pick up a scoop and score. could have been a disaster. James is an entertaining individual. He's funny. He has some great pregame speeches that go viral. He was entertaining when they incorporated him in the World Cup. But if he has to play quarterback for your team

and you're not playing someone like the Tennessee Titans who absolutely blow, you're going to lose. And if you play a capable franchise, like the Rams, like the Eagles, like the Cowboys, like a lot of teams around the NFL, You were going to get your ass kicked. And I think the Giants went, well, we could just keep rolling this out, or we could take a flyer that doesn't cost us anything.

A fifth round pick in 2006 has never met less. With the NIL, guys returning to school drafts are going to get not as deep as they have been in years past because you got less early entrance. You got more guys hanging on to every year of eligibility. Now this new rule that passed, every guy is five years. guys are going to stay an extra year in college is going to keep rolling over year to year. I have no problem with giving that up.

You say, well, why would you even give up a fifth round pick? You couldn't get him for like a seventh? Because I bet Minnesota would say, hey, listen, we will just keep him. He's not a malcontent. We're not going to play him, but he is ours. We drafted him.

We've been paying him. And if you want him, this is the bare minimum we can trade him for. If you can't hit this threshold, we will just keep rolling it out, even if that means he's inactive every game day. We're not just going to hand him to you for something that feels like nothing, even though I think when you take a step back, I would say the Giants got him for nothing. And J.J. McCarthy now has an opportunity.

Like, here's the thing. I have no problem with what Kevin O'Connell said when he says, organizations fail quarterbacks. Because I think there's a lot of truth to that. We saw that happen to Sam Darnold. I know Baker's had a really rough season. but clearly, you know, the Brown situation, you could say failed Baker Mayfield. You've seen a lot of those throughout the history of the NFL.

I lived it when I was in college watching the 49ers with Alex Smith. And then once they became a capable organization, his career, he went on to be a solid quarterback. So I believe there's truth to that. But there's also truth to that to the fact that not everyone can play in the NFL. It's a tiny, tiny percentage. You know when you're playing high school football and you kind of see the numbers of the guys that go division one,

and you're like, God, you kind of look back how many guys you played that went on to play. Division one football, depending if you were in like Los Angeles, maybe you saw more. But I remember in my couple years, I saw like two players. One went to USC and one went to like Oregon State. Because it's really, really difficult.

A tiny, tiny percentage guys can make that jump. And then even if you're playing at Texas or Oregon or Ohio State, not everyone goes to play in the pros. Not everyone can make that jump. Actually, the majority of the guys join the workforce in normal life like me and you. And just because you start on a team that's really, really good, does not mean you're going to be a capable player in the NFL. Look how often guys all over the league make,

teams play in the league that did not play at Alabama, that did not play at Texas or Georgia, right? I mean, look at the guy that filled in for Baker Mayfield. He was an undrafted free agent from Kansas. Who won the job? Who just went to training camp? When the dust settled, they viewed him as the second best quarterback. Well, it's like, what did they see? Like, this is the NFL, which is much harder in college because this position is very, very difficult. I think most would say it's the hardest thing to do in all of sports. So it's really, really hard to evaluate you in college, whether you're at a bad team and having to do everything.

For every Patrick Mahomes that played on some team with average talent put up godly stats, we've seen a lot of those guys get their opportunities and stink. We're not be able to cut it. And we've seen a lot of guys at the big time programs over the history of college football, pre-transfer portal that played on the powerhouses that could not play in the league either. That's never going to change because there is an intangible, innate aspect to playing football, especially quarterback, that is hard to quantify, that's hard to judge. Now, there were some flaws with J.J. McCarthy as a player, that if you look back in college,

the layering of throws, the touch throws, that he can't do now. And is that going to change? I would doubt it. because you go, well, how can you develop a quarterback? How can you get a guy to take a step? Well, some guys have that natural ability. It just needs to be harnessed. And really what you're teaching them are the concepts

and the understanding of your offense. And if I am a natural thrower of the ball, I have natural touch, I'm only going to get better and better as I master, whether it's Sean McVeigh, Cowan, LaFleur, Evan O'Connell, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, whoever the offensive coordinator is, their offense. And once I get an understanding of that, the game becomes easier, even if the game is really, really hard. Like right now, Kirk Cousins, he has thrown, I think, nine touchdowns on the season, three touchdowns a game.

Don't you think one big advantage he has? Because he can't move, and I would say his arm is slightly above average, if he is set. If he's not said, his arm immediately goes below average. But why do you think he's having success? Because he knows that offense like the back of his hand. He didn't show up to the Raiders and come week one, week two, week three, was still cramming and trying to understand the nuances

of what his head coach, who is also the play caller, is asking him to do. He understands it. If anything, I would guess, if you talk to their staff, he's actually helping a lot of the skill guys. He's actually helping the offense, the other players in the huddle,

on a weekly basis, on a daily basis, what to do. So when you got a J.J. McCarthy situation, you're teaching him this complicated thing, which is an NFL offense, and you're trying to improve his skills, which might not be improvable. Like that's just, like some guys,

like why do some defensive linemen or offensive linemen, guys taking in the first round not live up to the hype, but maybe go on to have long careers. Because it turns out their skill set, whether it's their power, whether it's their functional athleticism, whatever it may be, might not be as good as it was viewed coming out of college. And I think the nuances to quarterbacks, and here's the thing with Minnesota.

They had the opportunity to re-sign Sam Darnold and they didn't. obviously they regret that decision. But I got news for you in the history of my life, just like in the history of your life, maybe you get second chances, whether it's getting in trouble, whether it's getting the opportunity to, you know,

take the girl that you broke up with years ago back on a date and rekindle a relationship. That happens. But once you make a decision, like you can't go back two years, five years, 10 years later, and ever change that decision. It's forever.

It's no, different with the draft picks. Like, obviously they regret making those decisions. But all you have to do is now make decisions based on your mistake. And the quickest way to magnify a mistake is to hold on. And where I will give them credit, there weren't that many options this off season, they pivoted. And I've been doing this long enough to know when they signed Kyler and then re-sign Carson to guaranteed multiple millions, I said JJ's done.

it's clear JJ's done. And once it became public, didn't win the starting job. Oh, actually didn't win the backup job. It was over. And they just needed someone to offload them on it. The problem is when the season started, like after the cut down,

at that time, no one was going to trade anything for a guy making a couple, you know, it's not like JJ makes the veteran minimum. He was the 10th pick in the draft. Well, how do they get the Giants to splurge here? Desperate. And I don't blame the Giants for being desperate. Their starting quarterback knee got snapped in half.

They're playing James Winston where it's not a sustainable, you know, I would say, solution over the course of the next three months. You don't get to play the Titans, Robert Sal, Brian Dayball, and Cam Ward every single week. So you got to take some swings. It's like, well, they listed some other quarterbacks. Why didn't they trade for Mac Jones? Because the 49ers have seen this song and dance where Brock Purdy goes down and Mac Jones comes in and wins them games. So they're probably like, hey, you can have Mac Jones,

but we're going to need a second round pick. And if you're the Giants, it's like, well, what if we end up going five and 12? And that second round pick is 39. Guess what? You would regret that. So, yeah, is Mac Jones a more functional player? or you insert solid backup, whoever, better than J.J. McCarthy, of course. But you also got to be pretty careful about like you're not a trade away right now

given your options of saving your season. Now maybe you strike a little oil, right? And he is actually better than you thought. Maybe it meshes. Maybe you're able to fix a couple things. And it makes your season a little bit more respectable. But like they told you what they were willing to pay. And I think Minnesota, this goes back to, like,

there were talks about him getting cut three weeks ago. But when you've drafted them really high, even if the new GM didn't pick him, Kevin's still there, there's ownership involved, these become complicated situations. But this is going to happen again. I saw this coming from a mile away. I had no clue how this college football season

was going to play out. But if I had to bet, was it more likely to play out the way it has or the way everyone had it scripted, there are going to be seven quarterbacks going to the top 20? Probably not. That's probably not going to be the case. And how's it playing out right now? Are there going to be a bunch of quarterbacks going in the first round? Not based on the first month that we've seen.

So I think when you look at the J.J. McCarthy situation, it's, it's, it's, it's, a pretty good lesson. Not that you can't take a flyer on a guy. It's not a flyer when you take him in the first round, but not be aggressive on trying to land your franchise quarterback in which they did. It's that once you realize that he is not the guy, you got to move on. No different with coaches. Like, I understood why the Raiders hired Pete Carroll.

What were there other options last year? The moment you realize this is a nightmare, this old rich guy who, who spent 15 years living next to Bill Gates and Steve Balmer in Seattle, filthy rich before he even got to the Seahawks where he made probably $200 million over the course of 15 plus years, is absolutely shot. And at this point in time, it's washed. We got a pivot.

And what did they do? They paid him to go away. And then they got Kubiak and now they, you know, I don't know if they're going to win 10 games, but they are clearly now a franchise that feels like they're on the past. the respectability. The Vikings have no answer a quarterback. Like when 2027 comes and assuming, let's just say they go 10 and 7, that means they're

not drafted that high. But Kyler Murray, I don't even think they're allowed to franchise them given the way the deal was set up. Obviously, Carson Wentz is an average backup at best, but it's like, we can't keep this situation around. And the other thing is when you keep a guy like that around, it does take a lot of oxygen of like, it's just a story that never leaves. And an underrated part, I think, of this modern day football

that probably didn't play as much of a role throughout definitely the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, even maybe like 15 years ago, is your star players have a lot of juice. Your star players have a lot of impact. One, you're paying them 20, 30, 40 million dollars, some of your high-end non-quarterback. And when they come to the coach and go,

this guy can't play. You can't run this guy out there. The coach is not going to go, Mike Ditka, Tom Landry, well, it's my way or the highway, buddy. Like Justin Jefferson, I saw this with Trey Lance with the 49ers. Those guys knew he couldn't play.

So even if Kyle wanted to justify the trade, he would lose the locker room. And you saw that last year. They started losing the locker room. And players understand that they get when you draft a guy, he's going to get some more chances. But once it plays itself out, this isn't just a problem.

This is a detriment to every single play that we run. You got to hang a left. You got to remove yourself from the situation. And that's what they did today. And if you're the Giants, you just go, hey, what else we got to do? Keep rolling out Jamis? That's not a solution either. And Jake Hater's my guy from Fresno State,

but, you know, he's bounced around practice squads. You just see if, hey, we can find something here. It's like, well, what do you do with 2007? And Jack, you figure that out when next year. The NFL, more than ever before, and especially even more than baseball and basketball, because all these contracts are kind of a Fugazi. Most of them you can get out of, right?

The overwhelming majority of guys on your roster are kind of year to year, maybe two years. But most of these guys are not Deshaun Watson where you're stuck with for years because of the structure of their money. You just look at it like we're living game to game. I say this all the time like when training camp starts. This is the pull and pull, you know, kind of the tug of war between front office and the coach. The coaches are obsessed with week one because that's her job to win week one and then figured out week two and then figure it out like that they're living in the moment.

Where the GM is like, hey, I kind of like this guy. Maybe by November and December, this guy can take off. And when you get a head coach, one who's stable in his job and knows he's not going anywhere, and those are rare. Like how many guys in the NFL, if you think about it, are truly just on scholarship? Like, no pressure to win at all. Obviously, most of them are actually winning,

but like how many guys are on like the Andy Reid plan? Like I'm a made man in the mob. Like truly in the NFL. Not as many as you think. Sean McVey. I would say Kyle in San Francisco. You know, Sean Payton. But even early on like with the Davis Webb thing,

it got weird, but he could always take that back. I would say he clearly has the backing of the very powerful family that has an unlimited amount of money. You'd say Mike McDonald, but they just got the same. new ownership, you never know. Like, I'm not saying I would ever fire Mike McDonald, but the new ownership is a curve ball into the organization.

But we'd all agree, like, their core GM and coach are as good as it gets in the NFL. I would say, look at the Eagles, I'm recording this before Monday night game, I'd say how he's on scholarship. I'm not using that as like a negative connotation. Sometimes that word is used like, oh, this guy's on, like, they've earned the right.

Like, is John Harbaugh? Like, yeah, he's getting paid. paid a lot of money, but if I tell you in two and a half years, he won seven games, seven games, and then this team's not that good. Like, that's a problem. It can, Mike Vrable, it's like, oh, Mike Vrable is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I mean, this is a disaster. What if Drake May just crumbles? What are they going to do? Mike Vrable's just a sacred cow because he played there, you know, back in the heyday of 2002 and 2005. A lot of people won't give it. a shit if in back-to-back years you've won six games, which right now they look headed for a potential disaster a season. It can change really, really fast. And a lot of guys, you know, probably

have windows that are less than two years. Right. If Brian Chattonheimer doesn't win, like, is he going to be the head coach in 2008? No chance. Like, you look at Robert Sala, who was this desired figure this offseason, it's not inconceivable. that he's won and done. I would give him a little bit longer leash personally, but like, I don't know, the owner for the Titan, she's a kook. Like, I could see her firing everybody if they win like two games, which clearly is on the table.

And that's how fast it changes. Where, you know, I go back to growing up, college and the pros, you get a lot of guys in a lot of places for a long time. If you just had somewhat moderate success, college or pro, you could stay there for a long, long, many, many years. That is just not the case anymore. Very, very few people fall under that category. And obviously in football, the quarterback has such a direct correlation to your success.

And the publicity they get, the amount of oxygen they take. And the other thing, and I talked about this during camp, once a season starts, there's not much development going on. to guys who are third stringers. Because during the week, the only thing the Minnesota Vikings were focused on last week or two weeks ago, even when Carson Wentz was out and JJ was the backup.

How do we beat the Bears? How do we beat the Tampa Bay Buccaneers? It's not like, let's spend three hours developing this guy on the side after. You don't have time. It takes so much energy and effort to figure out game plans, to get the guys who are playing dialed in, to fill in the spots where, hey, my right guard broke his leg. I got this practice squad guy coming up.

He's going to play in the game. So it's like, hey, do we worry about developing this guy that might play but probably won't or get the guy that we know is going to play and focus our energy there? Now, you could also argue that, well, they got 7 million coaches on every staff, what the hell are they doing?

That is a great question. There are a lot of people in the sport of football. with the inflow of money, who I would say are taking advantage. Now, there are some guys that have like the third coach in a position room who one day will be the next Lane Kiffin or Dan Lannning or Mike McDonald, for sure. But there are a lot of guys who probably aren't doing that much.

And the reality is, is, I just think this long-term view doesn't really exist anymore. It truly doesn't. And J.J. McCarthy, got caught up going to an organization that had super high expectations. But can we just call a spade a spade? If he had gone to a place that had no expectations and were terrible, it would have looked even worse.

He went to a spot with superstar wide receiver and an incredible number two wide receiver, a good tight end, good running backs, and a head coach who is a former quarterback that calls the plays and is proven with veteran players to be very successful. So I think sometimes just go, yeah, it wasn't good enough. I've been in situations, you've been in situations, clearly with much less on the line,

where you walk away and just go, I'm not talented or good enough to do that role, to do that job, especially young. And maybe who knows, five years we look back and J.J. McCarthy is a success story. He's 23 years old. His story's not written. I mean, he's honestly not that much.

different than a guy that's drafted in the seventh round, who gets cut, who spends his first couple years on a practice squad, then all of a sudden by the time he's 26, he has like a four or five year career playing as a rotational guy at some position. Not every guy is Patrick Mahomes. Not every guy's Lamar Jackson, right? But again, at the quarterback position, let's use those two guys' examples. Because unlike JJ who won a national championship, they came from Texas Tech and Louisville, who were not competing for the national championship. shares. When you watch those two guys play, different skill sets, both of them have a natural feel for the position. It just comes very natural to them. And when you watch J.J. McCarthy,

it's the complete opposite. Everything feels forced. Everything feels mechanic. He's like thinking about his mechanics. Very mechanical is the word I'm looking for. And it's, I would say, Hard to watch because of that. And that's a huge part of playing the quarterback position. It's just kind of being natural. You know, the analytical guys hate this, but do you got it? Because if you don't, I think we could argue till we're blue in the face, but I do think it's very, very difficult to develop that.

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Drake May. I saw this quote Mike Sando had an article to do today about Drake May and he talked to some coaches because about the struggles and the issues with Drake May. And he got a couple coaches to go on record. Or I guess it's just one guy. and this really stuck out to me. He said the best players, their fundamentals, are impeccable and very repeatable. This guys are not.

He has nervous, happy feet. He does not throw off a sturdy platform. He is not really accurate on the move and tries for the heroics. He then paused and added this. He looks like he is watching. Baholmes and Aaron Rogers in primetime games and is at the flag football game on Saturday afternoon trying to play copycat.

I think there's some truth to this. Because when you watch Drake May play, he does feel much more like the modern quarterback or trying to emulate the modern quarterback, run around and make plays. And last year it worked. And his deep ball accuracy, was excellent.

But is that a repeatable skill overtime? Because when I watch Patrick Mahomes, you know, this version of 30 is different than when he was 24, 25. But even then, he could annihilate you from the pocket. What Josh Allen has turned into.

What Lamar does, Lamar scrambles around a little bit when it's hectic, but once the ball leaves his hand when he's humming, he hits guys in stride on the move. When you watch Drake May, when the ball leaves his hand, I mean, by the middle of that game yesterday, when that ball left his hand, you had no faith that it was going to be close to the wide receiver.

Now, confidence is a powerful thing, and clearly he's lost his confidence. And it can be very difficult for young people to build back that confidence. Once you have it, you feel invincible, especially when you're young. As you get older, I think there's some humility that comes with life experience that you, most of us, I would say, and I know for me personally, you always feel a little on edge, no matter how great things are going in life. Because you've lived long enough to know things can change on the dime,

that to be grateful for the situation you're in and do everything possible to maintain it, things that are in your control. When you're young and things are going well, it's easy to kind of feel yourself a little bit. And I'm not saying that he's like cocky or arrogant about how easy the game of football was, but last year,

season was really easy until it wasn't in the playoffs. Yet they still won and they still kept moving on in the play despite his poor play. Then obviously this season as completely unarveled. And two of the three games were, I mean, the ending of the Seattle game and obviously the Jacksonville game were something that if they do not get it figured out, this could derail their entire operation. And I do think like Mike Vrable and Josh McDaniel, they're going to have to help him out. And look at the Chiefs this offseason. Mahomes had, I think, developed some bad habits.

He had kind of turned into strictly hero ball. And they had run out of juice and last year was a disaster. And obviously he ends up getting injured on like a scramble. And this year, I think I heard someone say he's only scrambled the last two weeks twice. Because what's helped him out? when you can hand the ball to the running back, it makes everything easier. We've been calling it the quarterback's best friend,

a running game, since I was born. Because it truly is. Because whether you're Joe Montana or whether you're Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer, if your defense is playing well and you can run the ball, boom. John Elway has said this forever. What got him over the hump?

Terrell Davis. And we consider John Elway the greatest quarterback talent of all time. Josh Allen's now throwing his hat in the ring, but obviously one of the great quarterbacks in the history of the sport. And every time you hear him talk about how did they finally break through,

they found a fucking running back. And they handed it to him. And he ran for 2,000 yards and dominated. And became a Hall of Fame with like a three and a half year career. So I think if you're the Patriots, the easiest way to gain some of this confidence back, because let's face it,

you can only do so much practice. You can only have so many one-on-one meetings in Vrable or Josh's office trying to build the guy back up because the game's like what you're judged on. And when they go poorly, like it gets really, really ugly. And I can only imagine I clicked on a couple Boston radio segments today. It's bad because they're just reacting to what they're seeing, which is horrendous. I think you have to find a way.

like, Rable won a lot of games with Ryan Tanny Hill. How? They played defense and they hand the ball, Derek Henry. So it's like, you got to have a game plan moving forward of like, how can we run for 130 yards? How can we run for 150 yards? Slow down the game. Make it easier on the guy.

Get back to working on just some basic fundamentals. Like, bro, you're not Rogers in his prime, not this version. You're not Mahomes or Josh Allen. and Lamar Jackson. Stop playing like that. Because when you play like that, it actually unravels and gets worse. So there is some tangible pressure on Mike Frable

and Josh McDaniels to figure this out. And I mentioned this to Colin yesterday. Josh's success came with a guy that runs like a 5040 who couldn't move. So he had to be accurate. He had to play on time. His fundamentals had to be elite. Yeah, I remember talking to Hunter Mayhan

about this years ago, about like Tiger Woods and they've done a million specials on it. Like Tiger Woods work ethic on the basic stuff his fundamentals on the shots were elite. So it's like this guy is the most talent and his basic fundamentals are the best when it comes to the golf swing.

Yeah. And obviously the intangible stuff and the wiring is just better than you. Of course he's going to kick your ass. And it's been like that forever with the top. athletes in every sport, right? It's a marriage between the intangibles, the fundamentals,

and then you're just God-given ability. And he has God-given talents, like his size, his arm strength, his mobility, but they're not working right now. So to me, you kind of got to get back to the basics. And I just think when it comes to Drake May, it's, you can say it's on him, it's kind of on the coaching staff just to slow everything down.

This is why Mike Grable makes a lot of money. Josh McDaniels is probably one of the highest paid offensive coordinators in the league. He probably is the highest paid offensive coordinator in the league because most of the top offensive coordinators are head coaches. Baker Mayfield is another good example. Like, he's obviously injured now, but he's kind of been a disaster this season. And when you watch him play,

it definitely feels like there's just a lot of freelancing going on. And I do think that this reflects, like the coaching staff, the head coach, the offensive coordinator, clearly they've lost the reins. And yesterday, I don't want to say worst case, because to me, worst case, like losing yourself for the season, like a Jackson Dart. Well, what happened on the Jackson Dart play?

He was like 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage. I'm not Andy Reid here when it comes to scheme, but I'm pretty sure that he was way too deep in the pocket, which led to those two tackles riding those guys up the field. If he steps up, he's got some space. Or just drives up. Instead, he leaps back and makes the throw, which he can because he is a great athlete and has, you know, powerful tools in terms of arm strength. But Baker's this guy who, you know, he's not a bad athlete, but he sometimes he plays like he's Lamar or

Kyler in his prime. And it's like Baker. And listen, yesterday, Brian Flores had him see and ghosts. I mean, that game was horrendous to watch. I mean, it really was. Both teams. It was pretty bad football, and I watched way too much of it. Just because I had Tampa, and I, I mean, many of you have heard the stat. I mean, they haven't covered a spread now in 12 straight games.

So I think now Baker, like, let's face it, this year's kind of done. Like, Tampa's going nowhere. They're not going to win games with an undrafted free agent. If they can't win games with their $50 million. our quarterback. And I think sometimes, like, maybe this is, same with the Green Bay Packers, the difference is like Tampa has their pick. Green Bay does not.

If they have an awful season, the Jets will eventually get that because the Cowboys traded for Quinn and Williams and did like the best of the two picks. But it's going to be incumbent on the new coach, because I think this coaching staff now for back-to-back years has kind of proved that he's kind of just doing his own thing, which, and I'm a Baker-Mayfield fan, but it's been tough to watch. I mean, honestly, the best football he's played this season is week one

where he had some really good moments against the bagels. The problem was he fumbled three times. You know? So it's like, yeah, I had some really good drives, but I also gave the ball to the other team literally three times. Like, that's just, that's a bad game. Yeah, I mean, it's just, you know,

the Jaden Daniels thing is, he showed serious signs of life. I would say, I thought week one, you know, coming back from all the injuries last year, just looked a little off and a little slow. But by week two, again, the Cowboys defense isn't that good. You started seeing some signs of life. Like, okay, this is the guy, somewhat of the guy that I remember from the rookie year. But then his arm goes.

And now the report today is that they're going to try to mix him in in practice this week. My guess is Mariotto plays again. But over the course of the next couple weeks, if he's able to figure out a brace, he's going to try to play, how can you have any faith that his body can hold up? And that's the scary part about, you know, a player like him. Sometimes a guy like him is the worst case scenario. Because you're like, oh, there's talent there. And you hold on.

Like, it's easy with JJ McCarthy. Can't play, move on. It's harder with a guy like Jaden Daniels. But I would say history shows, guys like that. I mean, there's been much talk about his frame. For whatever reason, just can't hold up. some people's bodies can just hold up in the NFL

for a long period of time my wife looked at me yesterday during dinner she's like Charlie William is really 38 years old I'm like yeah 38 years old but this is like a rare creation

from God like there aren't many humans like that Nick Bose is a good example like got hurt in high school got hurt in college been hurt a lot in the pros like for whatever reason the makeup of his bodies

his muscles. It's really, really difficult to play sustainable NFL football. When he's healthy and on the field, he is an elite player. But he gets hurt all the time. And he,

I mean, he literally just got hurt in practice doing high knees. It's not because he doesn't work hard, he doesn't train hard. Honestly, my theory is always like,

does he train too hard? Is he too tightly wound? But some guys, and I've heard stories like, I don't think Trent Williams is like the craziest gym freak. Now, I think a lot of guys that play with him is like, yeah, he's pretty lucky. He doesn't have to be, he just has this crazy strength. And you could probably go team to team.

And some guys as they age, what did they say on Sunday night football game, week two, where Collinsworth had clearly talked to Andy and Travis and Patrick about Travis. Like, I'm 35 years old now. I probably have to up my focus in the offseason. from a training standpoint, from a cardio standpoint, I have to attack it differently. And he clearly looks closer to Prime Travis Kelsey than the guy we saw last year. And he's a good example.

I feel like for whatever reason, it's not like he hasn't been tackled a million times throughout his career of he just doesn't get injured that often. We've seen other guys that the position just get injured immediately. and there's no way to understand why. No one really knows if teams did, they would never sign certain players and they would only sign other players.

But you have no clue. We talked about this with the draft. Some guys just never get injured in college. I think the stat was Ricky Pearson, never missed a game. Played like five years in college. Never missed a game. Then he comes to pros.

Literally hurt all the time. And I'm just using him as example because it comes to top of my head. You could use that with like half to drive. craft. So it's what makes his shit so complicated. You know, Lane Kiff and I saw

Whitweeks, his star linebacker who's actually dating his daughter, broke his foot or broke his leg. And looks to be potentially out for the season. And Lane kind of went on this, I would say rant. And I agree to them.

Because he's like, and sometimes it feels like he's making excuses. And I did think during the old miss post situation where he's like that was their Super Bowl it's like Lane it's okay

you just got to wear of this one sometimes in life you got to take it on the chin I do it all the time in my home I'm just kind of wrong I cross the line

my fault or just don't say anything at all just keep it moving but he said I think some of you guys talking to like the assembled media who have been around the SEC

covering these teams for a long time need to kind of change your focus. Because historically the top 5, 10 teams in the country, when they lost, like if you're Ohio State, if you're Oregon, if you're LSU, if you're Georgia, if you have a star player who's going to be a top couple round pick, you lose that guy.

Sucks. It's not ideal. But at the best programs, if you're doing it right, his backup, who's probably not as good as them that day, potentially over the course of that season or the next two seasons could be better. That is no longer the case. The depth of the top programs

doesn't exist. I mean, Nick Sabin used to have running back rooms with like four guys who would be thousand-yard rushers in the pros. He had a quarterback room with Jalen Hertz, Tuatong of Iloa, and Mack Jones. Like, once Riola came in

and started playing well, we started thinking ourselves, that's pretty crazy that he's the backup. That's pretty nuts. It doesn't exist anymore. And I think college football, which actually makes it more entertaining. I would say it parallels the NFL way more than it used to.

Nick Sabin's teams, Kirby Smart's teams years ago, some of the Urban Meyer, Ohio State, Florida teams, the best NFL teams never go too deep with impact players. It's impossible. Right? Where in college, that was pretty normal. Some of those Miami teams when I was a kid,

they'd have position groups with like four future pro bowlers. It's like, well, this guy's a senior. They have Andre Johnson running on kickoff because he's backing up these three guys. You're like, Jesus Christ. But it was just a reality of college football. And I actually think it's made it more entertaining now on Saturdays any game, anyone can win.

especially this year. Clearly Ohio State and Georgia look excellent, but if you told me over the next month they lose a game, it's definitely on the table. Because all of a sudden, you lose one ACL guy

and another rolled ankle, you have a couple of positions of strength that are now, we don't even trust this guy. It happened to Ohio State a couple years ago with the offensive line. It happens all the time because they used to just have too deep of NFL players.

And now they get dispersed because of the NIL. So from an entertainment property on a weekly basis, Indiana Northwestern, even last year, like his team was stacked. Well, what happened? All those guys went to the draft. He lost quarterback.

He lost a stark corner. These wide receivers are still pretty good, but he also lost multiple wide receivers. He lost just offensive linemen, who now starts for the Chiefs. It's just, you're not going to be able to replace it every single year. And you watch Indiana now, they're still good.

I would still, based on coaching and what the program and the way they've operated for a couple years, expect them to win 10 plus games and be a playoff team. But like, this team ain't going 16-0. And when the playoffs start, they could easily win a game and they could also easily get bounced. And I think that's a huge, huge element of college football, which is a lot like the NFL. You know, it's so cliche, like any given Sunday, but it's kind of true. I said it going into last week, I'm like, oh, fuck.

Commanders got no shot against Seattle. And through the first quarter, you're like, this is a game. You know, this is a game. Even Miami against the Chiefs. You know, it was a one score game, the majority of it. Because in the NFL, it's kind of, you know, in college, we got really accustomed and it happens in these non-conference games, like 77 or nothing, 60 to, nothing. Once these regular season games happen, it's like comes down to do a series here or series

there in a lot of these conference games. It's kind of refreshing. The Hard Rock Beck Casino app is now in Ontario. The name you know and trust, which means credibility, impeccable 24-7 customer support, and an easy-to-use app are also here. So you can play here, there, anywhere. The Hard Rock Back Casino app is now in Ontario. Download the app. Roll with us. Must be 19 years of age or older to play. Ontario only. Please play responsibly. Concerned about your gambling or that of someone close to you, visit connectsonnetsoot.ca.

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quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween. Listen to artists on artists on artists on the IHeard Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, let's answer some mailbag questions. We will start with Raj. I know we have gone back and forth a couple times on this topic.

This guy has sent me a email or DM before, but it was top of mind, so I wanted to answer it. I just want to ask now if Tampa's current situation has made you rethink Jason Light. I think Jason Light is an excellent general manager. I think that after this season, if I own the Buccaneers, I would get rid of Todd Bowles

and I would let Jason Light run a coaching search. And I do think that a lot of prominent coaches, the Tomlins of the world, whoever the best guys are available, would be inclined to work with a guy who has a proven track record of drafting well.

Now, if you wanted to nitpick like the Baker situation, I do think that that will work in their benefit this offseason of having Baker Mayfield, unless they get the number one overall pick and there's a no-brainer to draft at number one. And then you probably have Baker mentor them. Would that really work? That'd be tricky.

But let's cross that bridge when we come to it. But let's just assume they have like the eighth pick, seventh pick, the tenth pick. I would want Jason Light running my personnel department. I think most people in the NFL, most non-Tampa Bay Buccaneer fans today, which I understand everyone being mad, I think he's good at his job. This team right now is playing really poorly.

They easily could have won week one if Baker's not fumbled it all over the place. And obviously, you know, they played a team that had like 250 yards of offense. Their offense was just worse. But, and listen, the season get really ugly. It's probably not going to go well. I do think that he is a guy that I would stick with and I would imagine they stick with and he will be the GM with a new coach next year.

The Todd Bowles thing has run its course and I think Jason Light will get another coach. Someone sent me this video I used to hear this a lot when I was in the Bay Area with the Raiders. It's like the league has it out for the Raiders. It's like, guys, they don't, I promise you. This isn't, you know, 1980, Pete Roselle and Al Davis going at each other. They do not think about you guys.

And this is example, 1,345,000, how the NFL hates the Saints. Every call goes against them. They did the Jared Goff pass of it going backwards, and Chuck had one yesterday. The Goff won. They got back incomplete. The Shuck won became a fumble. They don't hate you. I promise you they don't.

You guys are going to be okay. You're going to be okay. You guys will win the division. I promise you. You'll win the division. I thought the NFL stood for not for long. I'm five years into this Titans rebuild, and they're still dog shit.

Cam got a pass last year because of the situation, but this year it's all on him. The offensive line is second in pass blocking efficiency. Tate looked good and we have a real coaching staff. Saul has the defense ready to play and Dayball is running real professional operation. All that to say, if this trends how we're all thinking, Cam doesn't improve or show that he's the guy, the Titans are likely picking one or two.

Who is coming to save us? Manning, Chambliss, Nashville is getting a new stadium which looks sick and there's a good O' line here in good weapons. Drop a quarterback who's ready and this can start looking better fast. I totally agree. Cam Ward's not going to be the quarterback, year. This is Trey Lance. This is J.J. McCarthy. This is Anthony Richardson all over again. And he's just not good enough. He's actually really bad. He just, he's just not an NFL

quarterback. And, you know, a lot of people disagreed. I mean, I've talked to teams that had him in the second and third round on their draft boards. And Borgesi, who had been around Patrick Mahomes, staked his claim in him. Kevin O'Connell, who had just had Kirk Cousin, Sam Darnold, I guess he hadn't had Sam Daryl. He drafted J.J. McCarthy the year they signed Sam Donald. But who had spent a year around J.J. McCarthy obviously got injured, but like had just seen him play. Chose to go, like people make mistakes.

To me, what's going to define Mike Morgonzi? Like, it defines all of us. When we are wrong professionally, and it is a serious professional mistake, can we admit it and move on if we're allowed to? Like, if he's allowed to, pivot. or will he hold on? Because if he holds on,

at that point he'll deserve to get fire. If he refuses to act like this guy can't, he's like, this guy can play, I'm telling you there's something there. That's where I think internally get weird with Sala, dayball him. I think this thing is not for long. I would say

Cam Ward's not on the team. And if they get the number one or two pick, assuming they're awesome quarterbacks, like Trinidad Chamblis is a better player in Cam Ward. Like if Cam Ward was on Ole Miss's roster right now, he would not be able to beat out Trinidad Chamblis. I was just listening to you talk about Rayola and it had me what, oh, about what Riala may be making at Oregon.

I spoke with an Ole Miss beat reporter this summer and was told Trinidad was getting in the neighborhood of 600K to be their backup last season. Big-time programs view backup quarterbacks as an insurance policy, so they're making a pretty penny. I would guess Rayola is getting $1 million. I saw a clip of the Ferris State Coach,

the Division 2 program where Trinidad played. I do think when they sign Trinidad to be their backup for Austin Simmons, who's Missouri's quarterback, left-hander, throws this beautiful ball. There's something special about a lefty. it just looks pretty, it looks pretty coming out of their hand. Like when Pennix throws a go route, even Tua when he was younger.

It's just, I think it's like Griffey's baseball swing. He's he's a baseball swing. He doesn't look the same. I think originally when they signed Trinidad, he didn't come for free, but they gave him like $100,000. I would imagine that number, because that's what the Ferris State coach said. They came in, they offered him to be the backup, and he was coming from Ferris State.

I don't think there was that much competition for him. I don't think they paid a ton of money. Now, what I imagine happened is once it started going well, that they maybe gave him way more in the season to keep that relationship knowing that potentially he could come back the following year, and now, who knows? But I'm with you. I said this yesterday.

My guess is that Dylan Rayola, as the backup, well, technically, I mean, who knows? He might be start several games now with more out. is making more money than what the, is it Jalen, is it Jalen Daniels? Is that the quarterback for the backup for the Bucks, the undrafted free agent for Kansas? Who I think his minimum is like 825K. I bet Rayola makes more to Oregon than he does for the Tambay Buccaneers.

And that goes for a Dundrapted Free Agent in the NFL that made a team. Think about that. I mean, that is exactly why guys, if you go, listen, I'm not Jeremiah Smith, I'm not Colin Simmons, I'm never going to be a top three-round pick. But, you know, I can get drafted in the fifth, sixth, seventh rounder. I will stay in college if I'm a starter making a lot of money because there's no guarantee that I'll even make the team. I could be on a practice squad until I'm no longer eligible in college.

And some guys, like historically, would come out and be fourth-round picks just because, they didn't want to go to class. Well, now no one goes to class. Who'd I hear, I was listening to Rosillo had on Mestamaker. And he had asked Mestamaker if after they beat Oregon, he's like, have you kind of gone around campus

and soaked it all in? And Mestimaker was like, actually all my classes are online. Like, I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be old man get off my lawn here, but I, I lived in a world where online classes didn't even exist.

Online classes are a joke. Like, I don't take online classes seriously. Now, I don't take a lot of these guys, the classes they're actually going to that seriously. Like, I had a lot of classes in college that were, it's like, I can't believe we're paying for this. But like, if you're going online, like, it's all Fugazi. You know?

So now none of these guys, I remember Fresno State when guys would try to transfer, You know, this was Fresno State. This wasn't UCLA. This wasn't Northwestern. You know, this wasn't Michigan. We would have to battle based on SAT scores, transferable units. The transfer portal wouldn't exist if school will matter.

So school no longer matters. So if school doesn't matter and I'm just getting paid to play football and hang out with college chicks in my free time, then I just think these. guys, no one's going to leave early unless you're an elite player because school now is irrelevant, which I got no issue with. I mean, I really don't. But if you're a kid that wants to make the most of school, you can. Like, you don't have to only take online classes. Why does the media always pick and choose which teams they want to make excuses for? For example, the Rams lost last

night and everyone will say they're missing puka and Miles Garrett. But when the Packers are missing a bunch of players or the Niners are missing a bunch of players they don't get the same grace. If the Rams would have just lost 35 to 14 and

got their teeth kicked in they would get crushed but they were up 16-0. They were up again in the fourth quarter and they lost a crazy game which I think many of us would agree that the referees heavily impacted. But they still lost the game.

But they look pretty capable without some high-end players. If the Packers had lost a barn burner to Atlanta, the reaction would not have been what it was Thursday night when they had one of their worst home losses anyone can remember.

And every Packer person I know that's in my life says, I can't even, it's hard to put into words what we witnessed. That was, it speaks for itself. I think there is something too.

Like when you watch a team play, you're like, okay, win or lose, there's something there. Like, clearly they're pretty good. When you watch the Packers, it is not really disputable. Their O line is a joke. Because Jacobs is in trouble, their running backs are not capable of gaining yards even when there are yards to be gained.

So I think that factors in. If the Packers were one and two, like the Rams losing to the Falcons like that they just kept calling the same couple of runs over and over so your defense got absolutely shredded when everyone know it was coming and your offense looks like it can't function

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I've been dying too. I'm so sorry. I'm seeing a, uh, a, uh, a, reading of Sadako and the Thousand Paper Cranes by Audra McDonald's at the Wonderland Bookstore on 14th. That's crazy. I went to the Wonderland Bookstore yesterday and I heard Nora Jones do a reading of Zero Dark 30.

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He gets right up next to the microphone. I hear you can almost hear the eyelashes hit each other. You never seen Italy so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween. Listen to artists on artists on artists on artists on artists on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actor, stand-up comedian, creator, and host of Scam Goddess Podcasts. The True Crime Comedy Podcasts all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Each week I bring on incredible guests like Conan O'Brien, Iowa Debrie, Lamorne Morris, and Nicole Byer. Ooh, I scammed them.

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talk about right now, but we haven't been two and one since 22. But Brian Burns, he just tore his ACL, and you were saying, you were hearing stuff over the summer about him potentially not being on the team next year. Well, I didn't necessarily hear that. I could just do the math and going, well, you have Abdul Carter, you draft Arvel Reese, he's a type guy that you could trade. I mean, he's one of their better players. And basically the question is, what would you do?

Would you trade the 28-year-old pass rusher coming off 16 and a half sacks or keep an almost 30-year-old coming off an ACL tear and re-sign them to an extension? Well, now he tears ACL. tradable. No one's trading for a player that can't play. You know, I give him credit. You know, he hurts his ankle two weeks ago, late in the game. I think some people are like, why was Brian Burns in a blowout? Like, why is he in the game? And I think that is a fair question. And then he comes back and he plays on a banged-up ankle and then tears his ACL. I think a lot of reasonable people would be like, did he tear his ACL

because he's overcompensating for the fucked up ankle. And now you're in a position where you're kind of stuck with, you know, you put him on IR, terror's ACL, but my guess is if he's just not on the team next year, I have to look at his contract, but, you know, I don't think you, you typically don't sign guys to tear their ACL

who are veteran players to an extension. So, part of the reasoning, to like keep investing in the front was like he wanted a bunch of dudes and Burns and Abdul Carter. That's some pop off the edge. That's some serious speed coming off the edge. That's a big blow.

I'd have to really bang out the tape, you know, but it's probably fair to say right now, healthy, fully healthy. Brian Burns was their best player on the team. Who's the best player on the Giants? Malik Neighbors is nowhere near what he was pre-injury. Darts hurt. I mean, Abdul Carter has had some moments.

Probably him or Abdul Carter. Or Hammond, the dude that makes all the picks, or Holland, I mean, from Miami, who's been awesome for them this year. But it's like, you know, impact players. I mean, I think Scadaboo is a pretty good player, but he's not the best player on the team. You know, Arvel Reese was always going to be a major project.

You drafted R.V.L. Reese for like 2008 more than like week three, 2006. But, yeah, this is part of the football that sucks. It's like he tears ACL. But it's also like you should have, there's no load managing. Like if a guy can play,

even if he's 60%, he's going to try to play. And that's what happens. And then worst case scenario, you're in this. One thing that's not debatable is the MetLife turf is a problem. The amount of, of guys that tear their ACLs on that turf is a fucking nightmare. I just don't understand

why the Maras and Woody Johnson can't work together and spend a couple million dollars on some grass. Yes, is it going to be more expensive than just having the shitty turf? Of course. But if it's like, hey, John, we need you to come up with $5 million to get grass. Well, it's like, I can't be in that business. I don't have $5 million to spare. but if I have a business that's making me $7,800 million and I share it with another business that's the same thing,

we couldn't figure out a way to get a couple million dollars to get some grass. When the guys we're paying and combined, what are the Jets and the Giants paying their players? $500, $550 million combined

to play 16, 17 games on this field. I've said this forever. I understand people being cheap that don't have money. But once you get a lot of money and you're still cheap about important things, I think you're a whack job. I really do.

You know, I really do. And this stadium situation with this turf and the guys tearing their ACLs, it's got to get exhausting. The volume. I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actor, stand-up comedian, creator, and host of Scam Goddess Podcasts. The True Crime Comedy Podcasts all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Each week I bring on an amazing guest.

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