The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Money, Money, Money, In-Season Hard Knocks expansion, Tangent Tuesday

Episode Date: March 26, 2024

John dives into the annual coaches picture that showed us how excited Jim Harbaugh is to be back in the NFL. John also discusses how it's been a long time but the Chargers finally have a real head coach and their future looks very bright, how money is not an issue for the league or teams anymore because of all the money that is coming in each season, the reaction to the NFL saying that the in-season Hard Knocks is going to be expanding from one team to an entire division, and finally John goes off on his weekly "Tangent Tuesday." Lastly, John reads your questions for this episode's mailbag segment. 6:12 - Annual coaches picture 10:00 - Chargers have a real coach 12:30 - The NFL has so much money 20:34 - In-Season Hard Knocks expansion 27:15 - Tangent Tuesday/March Madness 32:57 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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How are we doing? John Middukoff, Three and Out Podcasts. Here's the deal. I went on with Coward for about an hour. I had a bunch of mailbag questions, so we did a big mailbag at John Middilcoff, firing those DMs, keep firing in those DMs, two Fs, just my Instagram, DMs wide open.

I recorded that earlier in the day, and then I was like, oh, hit on a couple things that me and Colin didn't talk about. I wanted to touch on Jim Harbaugh and the coaches for. photo, as well as something Jed York did that I thought kind of represents where the NFL is. And an idea from the league office in terms of Netflix, or maybe not Netflix, maybe it's Amazon or HBO and in-season hard knocks, they want to bump it to four teams, one division,

which in theory is cool, but the reaction I think, we'll talk about it. And then one quick thought on the NCAA tournament that I noticed watching over the last four days that I was kind of disappointed. But I wanted to do a little football. I need to get some content up. Me and Colin went for about an hour, talked about a bunch of stuff. And I talk about some more stuff here as well. So we got a lot of me out there right now for sure. Other than that, you guys know the drill.

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He's going to come on the show next week. I'm not going to say I don't want to jinx it. I don't, I'll say it when he comes on. But it should be pretty, pretty intriguing. The guy's got some pretty good. Just it'd be good. You don't hear them talk that often, so I'm excited. Before we dive into some football stuff,

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Always have, always will. There is nothing better than the 32 guys all in one picture. Now, it's not 32 guys because some people don't show up. Belichick never showed up till last year he finally did this year a bunch of guys were missing Siriani Tomlin McCarthy a couple others

I don't know where they were but I think 26 of the 32 guys were there and typically like you sit with your people right all the Shanahan guys were off on one side Rahim Morris Mike McDaniel Sean McVeigh LaFleur Kyle one side was the bald guys

you had day ball you had Sala you had Dan Quinn, loved the bald community sticking together. Sean McDermott was kind of close to Andy, but he easily could have been over there. And then front and center was Andy Reed next to John Harbaugh and Jim Harbaugh.

Now, when I worked for the Eagles, I remember at the Combine, I think my second year, Jim was the coach of the Niners. Obviously, John has been the coach of the Ravens forever, and they both came in. They all loved each other. John worked for Andy forever.

He's close with the Harbaas. The Harbaugh's Andy Reeder buddies. But there's Jim Harbaugh sitting right next to Coach Reed. And nobody. I mean, Google it. If you haven't seen it already, I would imagine if you listen to this podcast, you've probably seen the picture on social media. Had a bigger smile than Jim Harbaugh.

He looked like a kid who had just been grounded for a month. I used to get in a lot of trouble as a kid. And that first time he'd be like, okay, you can go over to your friend's house. You can go to Ryan's house. You can go over to Travis's house And you got that smile on your face I get to go back to hang out with my friends

I'm not grounded anymore Now obviously he wasn't grounded Being at Michigan Which he clearly took a lot of pride in But I think he's where he belongs I've said this forever Jim Harbaugh Throughout his career has been one of the greatest

Cash Cows for whoever employed him That I can remember You could argue that only Andy Reed And Belichick have been better what Jim did for Stanford, what Jim did for 49ers. Jim helped build Levi Stadium. If it wasn't for Jim Harbaugh and the success, he had immediate with the 49ers, who knows if that happens.

Obviously, it took a little longer at Michigan, though he won, you know, he was winning 9 to 10 games, but these last three years elevated them to a completely different level. Now he's got 18 guys at the combine. He was running an NFL operation. He was running what Kirby Smart, Nick Sabin, what Urban did forever, the cream of the crop. You know, Ryan Day, who he keeps saying was born on third base,

who I don't totally disagree with him, start beating his ass. Once Ryan had to get his own players and Jim got his own players. But you look at Jim's smile, he's like, I'm back where I belong. I'm an NFL guy. I'm a played quarterback in this league for a decade and a half. I became, you know, a very, very famous person as the Niners coach. It took me to a different level as a coach. And now I'm back with the Chargers.

And listen, the Chargers are a very unique franchise, right? You can't argue over the last 20 years the amount of talent they've had on their roster. For whatever reason, it hasn't worked. And I would point specifically at pretty consistently since Marty Schottenheimer, they have not been aggressive with the coach. They have gone the cheap route. From Mike McCoy to Anthony Linda Brennan Staley in its costume. They have underachieved.

Well, those days are over. they got themselves a real ball coach. And they got themselves a guy who just looks thrilled to be there. I mean, absolutely, he wanted to go there. Obviously, he was highly compensated. He was making a ton at Michigan. You know, listen, Sean Payton, I think is a really good coach. But when you look back when he decided to take the Denver Broncos job,

you go, it wasn't a great job. They had just made the Russell trade. They didn't have the draft picks. they were in kind of a cap, a bad situation because of Russell's contract, and him and Russell were never going to work. But I think it's fair to say, now the Broncos are a fantastic organization in terms of legacy, in terms of brand, obviously it's a great place to live.

It was not a good job at all, mainly because of the quarterback. And now they're currently in a bad quarterback situation. Why? He made the decision. I think money played a huge part of it. and listen, you get offered $90 million, it's hard to say no. Five years, $90 million to be the head coach. But I think a large percentage of his decision was based on the money. Jim Harbaugh coaching football did not come to the Chargers for the money.

He came because of the quarterback. He came because, like, I know I can win in the NFL. Not that Sean Payton doesn't, but you can't win in the NFL without a quarterback. So that really jumped out to me. That smile on his face, that excitement. I'm going to miss him in college football, but I do think the NFL benefits from having Jim Harbaugh roaming the sidelines on Sunday with a guy that should be a star quarterback.

And I can't wait to watch and looking at that picture really excited me because the smile on his face said it all. A lot of guys, not even grinning, eyes closed, not really thrilled to be there. You saw Jim Harbaugh, who's 60 years old, who's made, who knows how much the last 15 years coaching football. 120 million, 150 million, on and off the field, made a ton. I want to be here. This is where I want to be coaching against my brother, against all the Shanahan guys, against this big, the chubby Bill Wall sitting right next to me.

and it just really got me excited. I've said for a while now, one major difference in the NFL, separate from obviously the popularity, has separated the sport relative to the other team sports in this country, and with that popularity has brought an influx of money. Where, you know, for a long period, when I was a young kid,

the 49ers and the Cowboys were spending more money than a lot of other teams. Like the Arizona, Cardinals, the Cincinnati Bengals, they were cheap. Now, you could argue some organizations are still quote-unquote cheap, but they all have money. Look at the Bengals. Last year, they gave Joe Burrow a historic amount of money. They are going to give Jamar Chase a ton of cash. If they have to do it, they will play T. Higgins on the franchise tag, just like they did a couple years ago with Bates, who's now in Atlanta. The Bengals, who beside the Cardinals, I would say, are known as the cheap organization,

have no issues with money. When I moved back to the Bay Area from Philadelphia, the 49ers were in a rough spot. They had this old, dilapidated, outdated stadium in Candlestick. And in this day and age, when everyone was making money on the stadium, their ownership that Jed York and his parents got from Eddie to Bartolo because he got in trouble in the late 90s, early two, 2000's trying to pay off a politician, they were not flush with cash like a lot of NFL owners. They weren't some multi-billionaire family. The moment that stadium got built in Silicon Valley, and Jed's done a good job of investing, being led by Parag and made good business moves, they have so much money now.

So Jed, who is, you know, in its early 40s, is flush with cash and can quote on quote, officially, buy out his mom to become the principal owner of the 49ers. And I do think that reflects the state of the league. Baseball's about to start. There are the haves and the have-nots. Obviously, Tampa Bay is really good, and they do a great job of drafting and developing. They don't spend any money. They never will. And it makes sense. Nobody goes to their games. Their television deal is probably nothing. They can't. compete truly with the Yankees, right, with the Dodgers, with the San Francisco Giants, with the Texas Rangers, they don't have the capital. Yet the best part about the NFL is the

Carolina Panthers suck right now. I mean, they truly suck. It's because they have a bad roster, not because their owner is unwilling to cut huge checks if he has to, to sign players or pay coaches or do whatever he has to do. The Cincinnati Bengals are a great example. They will do whatever it takes financially to buy the players that they need to buy. And they have been very active the last couple of years they were two years ago in free agency,

and the amount of money they're willing to sign their own guys. So think about the Raiders. They used to be in positions in Al Davis's latter years where guys would hold out his high picks back before the CBA changed the landscape of how rookies were compensated. Remember back in the day, Jamarcus Russell, Nadomacan Sue,

Sam Bradford, Matt Stafford, they were signing bigger deals than like 99% of veteran players in the league. Well, some of these teams didn't have the cash on hand to pay those deals. Why guys would hold out? Because they had to wait for the media check to come in before you've been paying them. It's not a problem anymore. And I think that's the healthiest part about the NFL, is that every team, obviously, you have to pick the right players

and sign the right guys and have the right coach. but no one lacks capital. All the owners are flush with cash. That's why I was banging the drum for so long with Dean Spanos. It's easy to have the mindset in the 90s, right? If that's when you bought your team or the 80s or whatever. Those days are so long gone. You're not worried about the gate receipts anymore.

Because at worst case scenario, if you didn't get a penny from anything else outside of the media deal, It's $400 million. Your payroll is $200 million of your players. What's your coaching staff cost? $15, $20 million? You don't have many other employees that are making a million dollars, maybe two, a president and a GM.

Most of your guys on your staff, especially on the business side, are making $50,000, $80,000, $100,000. You have unlimited amounts of money now. and that doesn't even account for your gate receipts, all the other revenue that you generate outside of the media deal. So even if you don't have a ton of suites like some of these older stadiums, you're making so much money. And I think that has really, really led to when we turn on the TV

and see all this parody in the NFL, it's because everyone has money. And if you hire the right GM and you hire the right coach, Patriots sucked forever. They got Belichick, they got Brady, and everything changed. right? The Chiefs were a joke when Andy Reid took over. And now they have that they're making so much cash because of the success, they don't even have to flinch when it comes to signing guys. And let's face it, I saw Andy say at the owner's meetings,

you know, Clark Hunt, you know, historically he could be a little cheap. And from what I heard, I don't know if Spagnola was making much relative to the rest of high-end defensive court names. I mean, Vic Fangio makes like $5 million. So Spagnola from what I heard was not even close to that. So when you hear that these other teams were interested, probably a smart move by his agent to be like, listen, I know you guys aren't used to paying this, Clark,

but I'm a $5, $6 million coordinator. And he is. He's worth every penny. I don't know how much exactly Andy Reid's making, but he could make the argument like, I'm a $20, $25 million coach. So if Clark Hunt is willing to pay it, like it ain't from the lack of funds, So I think we all benefit from that as fans, as people that watch and follow the NFL is the amount of money that's come into the sport has made the sport better.

Because no matter what team you root for, they have a chance. Whether your owner is worth billions or whether the only asset they have is the equity in the franchise. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.

Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me.

Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment,

and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan,

so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of taun tons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to Stuff to Blow Your Mind on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your part. podcast. You know, one issue Belichick always had with the NFL is that all these people that

make decisions, Roger and his crew, have never worked for a team. Like, Roger's never been a GM or a team but he's been in the league office, right? It's like politicians. Most politicians have never worked in the private sector. Yet they make all these rules for businesses to follow. Some make sense and some make no sense. I would say the majority of them are a disaster, and it's over-regulated. Why? Because those people have never

sat in the seat. Those people have never made a dollar on their own. They've worked in the government the majority of their life. How could they relate to the dude that owns a deli? The dude that owns a packing company. The dude that runs Amazon. They can't. It's

impossible. Right? I, the only reason I'm able to relate to coaches in front office people because I've sat there and I've seen it. I understand what they go through. If I hadn't had that experience, maybe I would look at football completely different. But I look at it through that lens

because I've sat in that seat watching these guys work throughout the season, throughout the off season. I know what goes into it. And Bill always got pissed off. These guys making all the rules for the sport. Most of them obviously never played in the NFL, but two have never worked

for a football team. And I've always said, like, the league office does not give one, you know what, about players, coaches, any of it. They will do whatever it takes to make the most money possible. So when I saw a headline today that, you know, the in-season hard knocks now

has been happening, I don't know, for a couple years. I think it started with Arizona years ago. Remember Cliff Kingsbury? I watched a little bit of that. Kyler, J.J. Watt was on the team. I think AJ Green was on the team. It wasn't bad. Miami.

I forget who was on it two years ago. It went Arizona, then someone, then Miami. The league office today, in a meeting with the teams, their new idea is to have an entire division do it. So like, the NFC South, you guys all on in-season hard knocks. Obviously, no one wants to do hard knocks. Everyone's first reaction is, fuck that. Nope.

we don't want to do it. They went from like really being difficult to get people to agree to it, to being like, yeah, we're going to have an entire division. Now, as a fan, as someone that would watch, probably pretty interesting because it would be hard to not get some interesting content even if a team is not giving you anything. Can you imagine the reaction by the coaches, GMs in that room when that got thrown out? Listen, the hip drop tackle, some of the rules about safety, no one is ever going to agree. Right? This is one I would imagine universally,

like, are you kidding me? Our entire league is one big reality television show. All these teams now put out constant content of internally throughout free agency and the draft. You go to any team's YouTube channel, most of them are running internal stuff with just pretty fantastic. Colts have been doing it for years.

the Jets do it, the Washington commanders are doing it right now. A lot of teams do it. And it's really good. It's really interesting. The jaws that hit the floor are like, are you bleeping kidding me? But Roger and those guys don't care. Clearly this is an idea because I think they can get more revenue, more money from HBO, more money from Amazon. Now, everyone ultimately benefits.

It's why when everyone pushes back, like, the league's just jumped into gambling. Well, yeah. They're in a revenue sharing agreement. with the players. The players benefit from the gambling money. This isn't a one-sided coin. This isn't the owners just pocketing this. The players split that money. Now this one, I could see like, listen, how much are they paying you? I don't think it's worth it. But it always gets back to how much more we can make. And the one positive I'll give the NFL, think how long it took baseball to make any changes with the pitch clock with you can't go in and out of the box

seven million times get in the box pitch and let's hurry up the ad bat it shouldn't take 15 minutes for one ad bat throw a pitch get the ball back do your thing then throw another pitch and they did it last year and the speed of the game improved dramatically it felt like it took 20 years that conversation has been going on forever hell i was banging you the drum like, not a soul on a Tuesday night, wants to stay up till midnight and watch an 18 inning game. The players don't want to play in that game.

Make this quicker. Put a fucking guy at second base. And all the purists are like, no, we can't. You can. And it's fine. And they did it. But it took them forever. The NFL adapts and moves very, very quickly.

Now, sometimes they overreact. I think the hip-drop tackle is. I talked about that yesterday. And sometimes with the replay stuff, I think the Lions put in. If you win a challenge, like if you win your challenges, why don't you get an extra challenge? How often do we get in a position where it's one thing if you blow them, you lose time out, you lose challenges, totally fair.

But if I'm winning challenges, why late in the game, if I've won a couple, I can't have an extra challenge? I've been successful. And they passed. They're like, yeah, we'll do it. Some of their ideas, though, and I get it. Like, I understand in the volume with this podcast, How can we grow revenue? We always got to think outside the box,

got to do whatever it takes. They just never stop, man. Rogers peddled to the medal. How can we make more money? And I would have, I'd pay any money to bet a fly in the wall or have a camera

to see the coaches and GM's reaction when they're like, you know, the in-season hard knocks, we appreciate everyone that's done it. This year, we're going to do four teams at once. All in the same division, though. So if it's your division, it's not just you, the other three teams.

I mean, can you imagine the WTF memes on their faces? You've got to be shitting me, Roj. But there's a give and take with Roj. He's made a lot of people, him in that league office, a lot of money with the growth of the league. Last but not least, I'll just end on a little tangent Tuesday. I love the NCAA tournament. I really do.

The power of the one and done since. situation if you lose your route, the upsets, the schools. I went to Cal Poly. It's the best thing that ever happened to me professionally because it was a small school. I could get in the athletic department and get with the football program. Really easy. First day on the job, the hand of your whistle, right? Would not have happened at USC, Texas, Oklahoma, wherever. But the one thing, and I'm sure many people listening to this, if you went to a bigger school, having a college football team to watch every Saturday, having a college basketball team

that makes the tournament a lot, that's something I will never have. And it sucks. It's why I tell Marie all the time, our children, fucking send them the SEC or the Big Ten. I'm going to live vicariously through them. One, just for the experience, you meet new people, but that's a powerful thing.

And I love watching Thursday through Sunday. But this year, one thing I think that hurts even the tournament, now, I'm a gambler. I didn't gamble on this weekend at all. I didn't know anything. And the one game I almost gambled on, I'm like, I kind of like St. Mary's. I've watched them a lot. I think they're pretty good. I text Doug Gottlieb.

I'm like, what do you think? He's like, I think GCU's pretty good. And I'm like, ah, backed off that one. Thank God I did. They beat the shit out of St. Mary's. One thing the tournaments always had is they've had the pageantry of the schools. all the big boys against the little guys like David versus Goliath

and you get some upsets I'm on the golf course when was that Friday or Thursday and I'm watching Oakland, Kentucky were glued to the phone I got three guys we're all around it, back to back holes like God they're going to lose

that's cool and then anytime you get a great game like Oregon, Creighton, that's sweet the other draw was always like superstar players you would get three or four guys that you know like this guy's going to be a top 10 NBA this guy's a star

I want to watch Steph Curry I want to watch Anthony Davis I want to watch Zion Williamson and I think with this one and done culture and really just the the maybe it's just a bad crop but the lack of star players really impacted me

because there were times I used to just watch them bad games if it had some star power I like turned it off if the game wasn't good and watch something else. It's like, you know what? I'll watch Netflix full swing,

the golf, you know, reality show. And I just wonder, now it's supposed to be a much better draft, maybe a new crop of guys. I do think this tournament is also dependent on the stars. Because one conversation

has been the popularity of women's college basketball. One thing women's college basketball, like, I'd be lying to you if I've never watched one dribble of the WNBA. And I definitely haven't watch much women's college basketball in my life.

I'm paying attention to Caitlin Clark, right? I just am. Even Kim Mulkey with LSU and Angela Reese, I'm just kind of paying attention. And in college basketball, now I might throw a little, you know, 9 to 1 Arizona to win the whole thing, though they would have to go through Yukon in the final four.

I'd rather they had to go through them in the final game. It hurt it this year. It really does. In some of my greatest tournament moments, beside the upsets in kind of last second shots has been the star player performances. And I felt it this weekend. And I'm a fucking junkie.

I love big events. Big, big sporting events. And I was like, eh, it's just kind of okay. And maybe it's just a one-off situation. Maybe just a bad crop of players. Or maybe this is kind of the new college basketball. And if that's the case, it kind of sucks. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball

to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments

in sports and entertainment and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me

or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, Follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan,

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Okay, let's do a little Middlecough mailbag. Very easy to get involved. Very simple. Instagram, at John Middlecough, fire in those DMs. At John Middlecough, my name, two F's. Fire in those DMs. Love the pot. We all know D.K. Metcalf has some serious anger issues.

And I think he only, the only reason he has been in the NFL this long is because he was drafted by Pete Carroll. I'd also say he's pretty good at football. Probably a bigger reason than Pete Carroll. If D.K. was to go to another team, what would it be, and for how long? Well, he's under a big contract, right? Him, A.J. Brown and D.bo Samuel, was it not last two seasons ago, got large contract extensions. It actually kind of hit me this morning. I was at the gym.

I flipped on Lombardi's podcast. and he mentioned, you know, he was talking about the chief's trade. And one thing the chiefs with their trade didn't allow themselves to do, and, you know, I think they were playing through the different scenarios, is that cap space for Sneed when they franchised him, I don't have the exact number off the top, you know, on me. I think it was $21, $22, $23 million, was just sitting there, right? I mean, he was taking up space.

Once they remove him, they get the cap space. Honestly, it might be more now thinking about. Whatever the number was, it was large. And that could have enabled them to sign guys. And I'm kind of sitting there doing what, you know, a chubby guy chasing skinniness does, walking on an incline, holding, but walking on the incline. And what if the chiefs, do I think they would trade pick 32 for DK? I wonder if they'd think about it.

Now, I don't know, you know, big picture, part of the space, you know, signing their own guys, right? they have some young core pieces on the offensive line, a guard, a center, a good linebacker that are not going to be cheap. But listen, I know the way Andy thinks. Andy likes sweet players. I mean, think about some of the guys the last 15 years that he's used a lot. From Deshaun to Macklin to Shady, to what he did with Jamal Charles, to draft

in Tyreek and obviously Kelsey. I would imagine he likes D.K. Metcalfe. And think about D.K. McCaff with Patrick Mahomes. Now, it takes two to tango. Wouldn't John Schneider just want D.K. Metcalf on his team? To me, part of the draw of Seattle is the nucleus they have. Maybe they go, hey, it's a good receiver draft. Now, there are financial ramifications on doing this,

but you never know. It honestly, it's crazy. It crossed my mind today. Would the Chiefs sniff around on DK? They have a new coach. they don't have a new GM, and I would guess John likes them. I don't know why John Schneider wouldn't like D.K. But to me, the anger issues, like, he struggles controlling his emotions,

which they got penalized a lot last year and over the last couple years. Right? But that's, he doesn't get any trouble. I can live with that. I mean, he's a very, very talented player. He really is. I think he's closer to the modern day Terrell Owens. Terrell was probably a little more fluid,

but this guy's high-end speed, his physicality. Like T.O. doesn't have the greatest natural hands. I wouldn't call him like Devante or Tyreek has great hands, like just a natural catcher of the ball. But he's definitely good enough. And he's just, there's nothing quite like him in the NFL. So I would, it wouldn't shock me if he ever were to become like, we'd be open to it,

that they would sniff around. The swivel, hip-drop-tackle ruling and social media sentiment around it reminds me a lot of the crown of the helmet rule change from a few years back. Now that the NFL has classified

what they're looking to penalize, I actually don't foresee this being a huge deal, and I think within a year this will be pretty easily eradicated without changing the game in a significant way. Of course, social media disagrees and it's freaking out per usual. Yeah, I mean, you can't worry about the freak out.

I do think any time a rule happens, you've got to wait to see the way that it's legislated come to games. Like, how are they calling these? I heard some people say that they feel it's going to be more of a fine-based than, you know, ejections and penalties. time will tell. Obviously there are going to be some obvious times it happens. My entire take, the crown of the helmet, there was a vicious violence that existed in the old NFL. Listen, I came up on and made me fall in love with the NFL.

It intimidated me about trying to play high school football. I remember just being, football's intimidating. It's an intimidating sport. I always had a lot of respect. When I worked in college football, you know, that level. of guys that were hard hitters and then obviously the NFL is the highest level. But they didn't, they wanted the violence that led to the injuries out, obviously because of the lawsuits.

This one, to me, I don't, like, when you launch yourself, I'd be fine going back to the old rules, they never are. But the launching, you don't have to launch yourself. Like, you know you don't have to leave your feet if you're going to, it doesn't mean you're always going to tackle the guy. this one, by any, you're taught this in peewee football up through the NFL. At the end of the day, if I'm in a one-on-one position, or I am the guy in a gap and the guy is running at me,

my only job is to get him on the ground. Like form tackles and how you're taught tackling at the lowest level of football kind of goes out the window. Because if you're trying to tackle Sequan, Christian McCaffrey, Debo Samuel, Whoever, CD Lamb, I mean, part of this, a little like the quarterbacks, who are they trying to protect? The star players. Mark Andrews was lost basically for the season last year because of the injury.

That easily could be take the best 10 plus teams that are all going to be in the playoffs. They have impact level stars. And most of their stars, non-quarterback on offense, are playmaking guys with the ball in their hand. And I just think sometimes you're not trying to quote unquote hip, swivel, drop, hurt them. You're trying to get them to the ground. Why? That's literally your job description. Make an open field tackle.

And for every like Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis and Luke Keekely that's like, shit, I can tackle anybody in space. Most guys is like, I'm just trying to get the guy to the ground by any means necessary. So I, my issue more is part of the. old school football was, you know, to injure guys. You weren't trying to necessarily knock them out for the season or even the game, but you were trying to inflict legitimate pain. You're never coming over across the middle. Your your quarterback is never going to throw that route, you know, between the underneath corner and the safety, because we will clean your clock. Right?

This is, no one's thinking that. Real time, all of a sudden, a sweep. And Alvin Camara's in space, you're like, shit, can I just get the guy to the ground? So we get off the field? With the Cowboys not extending Dak Prescott, well, yet, I mean, they keep claiming they're going to. And the quiet offseason they are having, could they be quietly doing a rebuild that would see them part ways with Dak, sign CD and Parsons next off season and surround another quarterback, rookier veteran with stud pieces around them, much like the 49ers? I would imagine that McCarthy would be replaced by Ben Johnson

or a Belichick-type coach that can win with that type setup. I don't think Jerry at this point in time is trying to rebuild. I think they had to make some tough financial decisions. They pay their own guys a ton, even if you remove Dak, whose cap hit is huge, right? Lawrence's cap hits big. C.D. Lam's cap hit is big. Zach Martin's cap hit is big.

I mean, they have high Pro Bowl level guys or guys that have been to Pro Bowls that make a lot of money. So I think it's more in kind of that world than it is kind of a rebuild. Now, is it a little bit of a reset? 100%. And you can reset. This is why I said the Bill's Super Bowl window.

It doesn't close as long as you have Josh Allen because he's good enough to compete at the highest level. but you look at Dak Prescott I just don't think he is like if your team is not good enough I don't think you can I don't think you can't compete

I don't think you can make runs in the playoffs I mean hell their team has been relatively stacked these last what three years I mean they've had a lot of talent up and down that roster offensively defensively

players at every level been bouncing the first round two the last three years at home. Now their team is going to be less talented. They're going to be very dependent on young players, very dependent on hitting guys in the draft, very dependent on guys they've drafted the last couple of years, taking big steps.

You know, a guy that we don't quite see coming, becoming like a high-end starter. A guy that's a fringe high-end starter like the, what's the guy that they drafted to basically, I mean, he's going to replace Tyron Smith at left tackle. Like, can he become a pro bowler? If he can, then they're in pretty good shape. If he can't, they're probably in trouble.

For the mailbag, why do you think the chargers are not included? Global market programs. So it's basically just teams that have signed guys from the international world. So it's, I just don't think they, it's hard to describe on a podcast, but there's just a picture of all the teams that have international players. The Rams have a bunch. The 49ers have this guy from Mexico that's been on their practice squad for them ever. I don't know every team.

For whatever reason, the chart, you basically get a free roster spot if you bring in an international player. I would imagine if we went through it, most of them are practice squad guys, now with the extended practice squad. Plus, this guy does not count. Like, you get an extra practice squad spot. But most of these guys are not going to be Jordan Molada. You're basically just trying out a guy. You probably like them. But when it comes to the chargers, I don't necessarily, I don't know.

Listen to the Titans trade reaction I wanted to give my idea on why they may be doing it if you think it works. Put the pieces around him to create a successful offense and a winning team and a strong culture. If it does not work out, you have the building blocks of a

destination for free agency. New stadium, energetic fan base, weapons where you need them under contract, no state taxes and a new culture that seems to be aligned. Do you think that will be enough to persuade a quarterback to sign or are they doomed if Levis flames out?

I think you're 100% right. They're just signing good, high-level players from winning organizations. Tony Pollard's been used to winning in Dallas. Calvin Ridley, a little bit of a different story, but Sneed is back-to-back Super Bowl champion. He's been a three-year starter on one of the best teams in the league. so I think it's about signing high-level guys, even if you have to pay a little bit. The Titans would 100% be a destination for free agents, not even just the no state. Nashville's a fucking incredible place.

Think how many players in the NFL are from the South. If the teams in the South have cap space, they can land players, starting in Texas over. That's why if the Cowboys ever had money, they never do because they always do. sign their own guys. If they ever had money, they would land dudes, right? The Texans, money, land dudes. Titans, money, they will land dudes. Both Florida teams,

money, land dudes. Atlanta, they have money, land dudes. New Orleans, if they ever had money, they never do because their caps always fucked up. They would land dudes. Think how many players in the NFL are from either the ACC or the SEC? I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it's pretty large. Another hip drop question. Hip drop band. Where are we going to stop all this shit?

At first it started with the head injuries, and we have seen season, career-ending lower body injuries skyrocket. Now we have digressed all the way to this. At what point does it become flag football? This is ridiculous. I think we have to separate everything, right? The leading with the crown of your helmet in the open field,

safeties and linebackers, they clearly didn't want that. And that's out. Then the treatment of the quarterbacks jumped the shark, but at least they had a reason for it. No one wants to watch a game if Mahomes and Allen,

if the Bills and Chiefs are playing and one of the two guys is hurt. People get hurt in football. But if it can be avoided, you have to keep that position safe. You do. Ideally, are some of these roughing the passers ridiculous, no one would argue that.

Does it have the right intention for us, the consumer? It does. The hip drop tackle, I just think we have to watch how this plays out. I really do. If it's aggressive, then we're going to have a problem. If it's just finding guys, like, I don't care. And that's what I would imagine it ends up being, just kind of finding guys. I hope. Maybe I'm wrong. but I'm not going to overreact until I see it. Do I like it? No. Would I have not done it? 100%.

But it was clear a couple weeks ago when Troy Vincent and the league was talking, their mindset on it all. Like they were getting rid of it. It was going to be gone. And now obviously it's gone. But we'll see one thing to say something, another thing to put it into action. They're very aggressive on the head stuff.

Right. They're very aggressive with the quarterbacks. are they going to be this aggressive with the hip drop tackle? It doesn't happen as much, but we're going to find out. Does it make much sense for college football to restructure itself like an English football pyramid? This would make much more drama all around and hope for the little schools

while keeping the big boys making their money, all while giving multiple Cinderella stories and streamlining the recruiting. The top 16 to 20 teams could receive the biggest cut of the revenue shares, while each tier below receives a smaller and smaller cut. The bottom three teams each year would face relegation to the tier below, while the top three teams determined through the playoffs

would get to move up, receive a bigger share, while becoming more attractive for recruits, it would create layers to coaching in the NFL draft. Would love to hear your thoughts. In theory, that makes a lot of sense. But the problem is the two main leagues, why are they incentivized to open their arms to the Big 12 or the ACC? Now you can say in the Big Ten, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, you know, in theory, Iowa,

obviously now Oregon, USC, they're all kind of in it together. And then the SEC, Bama, right, Ole Miss, LSU, Georgia, Tennessee. It's all too separated. one thing the NFL has going for it I don't know the structure well enough in soccer but they're all partners so when the season ended Clark Hunt and Jed York

the two teams in the Super Bowl got the same amount of money from the television rights deal that the Carolina Panthers Washington commanders and the Patriots the teams drafting one two and three they got the same check now I think it comes over you know three or four months

but you know what I mean they all got I don't know the exact number but it's like 400 million. It might have been 405. They're partners. This podcast with the volume. When I make money, Colin makes money. We're all making money to get. We're all incentivized here to do well.

The Big 10, like what is their incentive to help out the Big 12? Now, if they have teams that can help them, then they would try to steal them. But to try to merge, they don't need them. that's the whole problem with the structure of college football. It's all, and that's why it feels inevitable that it goes, SEC Big Ten, and teams keep joining the two of them. Like Notre Dame eventually drones the Big Ten, Florida State Clemson, the SEC,

maybe Kansas has a sleeper because of their basketball program, but football is so much bigger. It's just a very complicated situation. It's not normal business because of the segregation that already exists. and there's not, I mean, there's not equality in the NFL either. Obviously, the Carolina Panthers mean a lot less to the NFL than the Dallas Cowboys. But in terms of the money, they all generate together for the thing that pays most of their bills, the television contracts, they're all in it together.

They're all hand in hand. They're equal partners. In college football, there's not equal partners. And the other thing is, why would the SEC or the Big Ten ever sign up for relegation? always love, and listen, I get why it's fun conversation. When the media brings up relegation, no one in pro-s, no owner is ever going to sign up for relegation. David Teper might be the worst owner we've ever seen. He just paid billions of dollars for his team. How would he ever sign a piece of paper that he could be kicked out of the league?

As a Clemson's fan and now a Jags fan, do you see Trevor improving from what was a lackluster second half, or do you think Peterson giving up play calling was part of the second half collapse? Of the puck. I clicked on a video today, who was it with? Garifolo, or one of the guys at the owner's meeting was talking with Doug.

And Trevor came up. And he says the number one thing next year with Trevor before even the quote unquote play is the health. He said he has to do a better job avoiding unneeded hits, us as a

staff need to do a better job of avoiding those situations, and we need to work together to avoid injuries. Now, that's easier said than done, but he also kind of alluded to, like, we're bringing in a backup quarterback that if he does get hurt, the guy can play. So their goal is going to be, clearly they're not going to pay Trevor Lawrence's off-season,

but if he's injured, like, they traded from Mack Jones for a reason. He has a lot of experience. And even Doug mentioned, like, you turn on his rookie season. I felt pretty good about that player. So I think they're going to wait and see. It's going to be on Trevor to be available and prove that he's a high-end guy. If he's not, I don't believe he's on scholarship.

I really don't. That's not the way the NFL works. Hell, we've seen every guy in his draft. Justin Fields, another team. Trey Lance, another team. Mack Jones, on the Jags. Zach Wilson, he makes too much they can't even trade him. They're going to have to cut him.

So now you could argue Trevor Lawrence was viewed in a different tier, and that's true. But if he does not play well, he will not be on the team. It's just that simple. Now, maybe Doug and everyone gets fired as well, but Trevor better pick it up because that's just simply not good enough. I was just reading a fascinating article on the athletic.

It cited numerous sources from the NFL and college football who actually pointed to a player's well butt size as an indicator of lower body strength. The story seems to make it clear he has a physical attribute evaluated on prospects for a while as humorous as it comes across. Do you have any recollections to the attention to a rear end in your time scouting?

Reaction to the concept. We called it the bubble. He has a big bubble. Now, obviously at certain positions, it's more important. Guard, tackle, center, defensive tackle. You don't want a defense. defensive back to have a big butt, but and running back. You know, some running backs, their lower body, Debo Samuel.

If you, I've been, stood next to a million times at practice, like his lower body is built much more like a running back than most wide receivers. So I don't think it's like measuring their butt, but their butt into their lower part of their legs. Like, this is a very, very physical sport. And as a running back And as someone on the line of scrimmage That fucking the power in your ass

Through your thighs I mean separates the men from the boys I mean this is the job of an offensive lineman Is to move a body in front of them And the job of a defensive lineman is to move that body Moving forward backwards And obviously as a running back It's about breaking a lot of contact

So for every stiff like you don't stiff arm as many guys you think This isn't mad in football It's breaking tackles through your lower body strength. It's why squatting, you know, remember when Sequin was so famous about squatting, whatever, 600 pounds, same with Jalen Hertz. Jalen's a good example.

He's got a thick lower body. And that's important to the way he plays. The tush push doesn't exist without his lower body strength. So yeah, it's discussed a lot. When I was scouting, you would, you do 99% of your work, right? Evaluate the tape, talk to all the contacts at the school, do your write-up character, football intelligence, ability.

And then you would go to practice. And you would try to stand next to the player. And you go, God, this guy looks the part. And you would kind of describe his body. And if it doesn't look apart, that also can be a problem. Now, just because you don't look apart doesn't mean you can't play in the NFL. But at certain positions, it's hard to be 150-pound running back.

It's hard to be a 200. 75-pound offensive linemen, right? There are certain things that translate when it comes to football. Huge fan of the pod. Been listening for a few years now. I always refer to your takes when debating with my family.

Hopefully I've helped you win some arguments. Anyways, my 49er fan friends are claiming to me that Purdy is better than Herbert. I called him insane and then somehow my other friends joined in and agreed with him. Their argument is that each quarterback accomplished

in how much playoff success he's had. Brock Purdy has been a revelation. He's been one of the most impressive things we've ever seen. I mean, he's on a very, very short list. Going back to Brady, pick 199 in 2000, Tony Romo, undrafted free agent. It's very, very rare that a guy in the 6th, undrafted free agent ever has success of quarterback.

It's not usually how it works, right? Most NFL starting quarterbacks are top, our first rounders, let alone top 100 pick. Think about the best players right now at quarterback. Mahomes, first rounder. Lamar, first rounder. Herbert, first rounder. Josh Allen, first rounder. Jalen Hurts, second rounder.

Then there are some outliers, Dack, cousins, mid-round guys, fourth-rounders. Kyler Murray, first rounder. Matt Stafford, first rounder. Like, just kind of go around. And I know I'm leaving guys. Joe Burrow, first rounder. I mean, high pick. So a lot of guys that have success at the highest level

are really, really high picks. Deshawn Watson, before he fell off a cliff, first rounder. So when you're going to be a late round pick, you're very dependent, and luckily you can go to good teams. Tom Brady went to a really, really talented team. Tony Romo, you know, escapes me how good they were early on. but he had Bill Parcells, like who your coach is,

who your play caller is, like that helps. That matters. So would Purdy be as good if I threw him on the Carolina Panthers? Of course not. But Purdy, with the 49ers,

has been damn good. It's not debatable. Herbert has had Brandon Staley and Anthony Lynn has his two coaches. Anthony Lynn will never be a head coach in the NFL again. I'll never say never run Brandon Staley

because he's still pretty young. But if he's, if anyone ever hires him again, they're on crack cocaine. So he has two guys that will never be a head coach again. Their organization, let's face it, has been kind of a weird place that should change now with Jim and Joe Horowitz from the Ravens. Hopefully they can stabilize it. But the Chargers, even under Phillip Rivers, just a bizarre, A lot of talent around him. But now it's time to see. I think Herbert has a chance to be a star under Jim Harbaugh.

Physically, he's in a different universe than Purdy. And for a while, I was like, well, Purdy doesn't throw any picks. Well, Purdy throw some picks now. Now, he can throw a lot of touchdowns too. But Herbert should be a better player moving forward than Brock Purdy. If the 49ers called the Chargers and said straight up, Purdy for Herbert, the Chargers. the Chargers say no, the 49ers,

while they love Brock Purdy, would have to make that trade. I mean, they just would. And I love Brock Purdy. But, and honestly, as it ages, maybe it goes the other way. Maybe Herbert's never quite as good as we all think. The NFL thinks he's good.

If you polled NFL teams, he would be viewed as a top five quarterback in the NFL. Like, if the team had a chance to draft from scratch. Fair or not, Brock Purdy would not. Kyle might view him that way, but Justin Herbert universally would be.

So Brock Purdy's had more success than Justin Herbert. Not debatable. Because his team, he played, if you put Justin Herbert with the 49ers, like they're having as much,

if not more success. Okay, last question. I got to say as a man from land park area in Sacktown, it's fucking awesome to see another guy from the valley killing it. I love Davis, especially the women there. I don't know if anyone's ever said that, but... But anyways, in high school, we had good talent, but when I was in high school, I don't...

I'm not talking now. I'm 40 years old. I'm saying when I was a kid. But I don't think the school is exactly, you know, Arizona State. But I hear you. I love that area. I saw this cool... The Colts put something out.

Shane Stike, and he's from he's from Sacramento. He married his high school sweetheart and he was wearing a Chris Weber jersey back in, you know, he's like I think a year older than me. Kings were sweet back then. So it's always cool to see. I always root from people from the 9-16.

But anyways, as a Patriot fan, it makes me want to eat a bullet seeing how many fans want to trade four fields or pay Baker Mayfield. To me, it seems significantly better to swing with a future quarterback. I don't think this is that old. Maybe he's just, maybe he hasn't been on the internet.

taking receiver late. Is there a benefit to taking a smaller contract with one of these dudes? Well, Baker-Mayfield's on the Tampa Bay bucks, almost said raise. And Justin Fields is obviously on the Pittsburgh Steelers. But

I think the Patriots are going to think long and hard about trading back. I really think so. And if they don't love one of these quarterbacks, whoever the guy that is not taking it to, whether that's, you know, Drake May sitting there, Jaden Daniels,

there, J.J. McCarthy, if they don't feel like that guy's a franchise quarterback, I think they're going to be in the business of trading back. And I think a lot of Patriot fans are going to be pissed. And they're cool with like resetting the franchise this year, adding some talent and just playing with like Jacoby Burset. I definitely think that's on the table. Now, do I think they, if I was a betting man, do I think they end up taking a quarterback? I do. But these discussions and these trade calls, even Gerard Mayo said, we're open for business. Adam Peters was asked. He's like, yeah, we're not open for business. We've talked, but this is not, pick is not available.

The first two picks, they never even pretended the pick was available. Every team, three and four, you know, the Cardinals have Kyler, but the Patriots are like, yeah, we're listening. What does that tell you? What does that tell you? And in fairness, if they don't love, you can't just take quarterback, take quarterback. Chris Ballard said this forever. Everyone's like, why don't you just take quarterback?

Because I don't like the guys that are there when I draft. Like, I know you guys all want me to take a quarterback, but if there's not a quarterback there that I like, what am I supposed to do? And he's right. Don't do anything. Write it out. And then see how it plays out, and then you get Anthony Richardson. Now, he better be the guy. It puts a lot of pressure on him, but

I think the Colts are a major wildcard. Or excuse me, the Patriots are a major wildcard here. Everyone's picking them to take a quarterback, and it's logical, but you never know. And when their coach is talking like that, I don't think he's randomly talking like that. I think they're just trying to put all their options on a whiteboard and kind of see what they think.

the best option. So they're a fascinating team to watch, you know, over the next month, see if they do something. The volume. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

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