The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Myles Garrett requests a trade, NFL heads down under, Chip Kelly gets a bag

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

John dives into the news of the day that saw Myle Garrett request a trade out of Cleveland despite his love for the city. John talks about what teams will be interested in trading for Garrett, and how big of a haul will Cleveland get if they do indeed trade him. Next, John discusses a few of the topics that Roger Goodell talked about during his press conference at the Super Bowl and if we will see a game in Australia in 2025-2026. Lastly, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 5:45 - Myles Garrett requests a trade 24:05 - NFL to go down-under 30:45 - Chip Kelly gets PAID 36:47 - Chasing Challenges  45:41 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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there is a trade request because that's usually the... only reason you trade an all-time great player in the peak of his powers. He demands to get traded and you're like, you know what? We'll just sell high on this. It's not worth the energy that it will take to massage this relationship. And on the flip side, sometimes a player just gets to a point where it's like, you know, I've had enough. I've given you eight years. Most of them have been just pretty incredible. And Miles Garrett had, I love it when a guy puts out a letter or just some words, a couple paragraphs when he's requesting a trade. The first sentence, or usually the first, like,

I would say seven or eight sentences are like, this place has meant everywhere. This is where my firstborn son was born, took his first steps and called me, Daddy. You, the fans, have been the heartbeat of not just this team, but of my success, of us as an organization. You guys mean, I've grown up as a man under your watch. You just go on and on and on.

And then the last line is always, with that being said, I have officially requested to be traded from the Cleveland Browns. Come get me. Let's put in your offers now to Andrew Barry. I'm ready for a new challenge. So never fault a player. Been there for a long time. Giving them a lot.

And it does feel like it's time. When you look at Miles Garrett, he is just an elite player. And really since 2018, he has been an all pro every single year. year, first or second team. Obviously, he won a defensive player of the year a couple years ago. He's everything you wanted at edge rusher in terms of size, the physical characteristics, the blue chip nature. He's the number one overall pick, the speed, the athleticism, the burst. I mean, he's a past rusher who is made in a lap. And we argue a lot on this show is obviously quarterback. If you can get a starting quarterback and definitely start quarterback,

they always are number one on the hierarchy. Who's number two? is it a left tackle? You could argue right tackle. Is it just a tackle or a pass rusher? I don't think there's any difference between the two. I would have them, you know, 2A and 2B. Tell me who the better prospect is. Right. If you tell me it's like a solid pass rusher and elite tackle, I'll take the offensive tackle. If you tell me it's Miles Garrett and just a solid starter, I'll take Miles Garrett. Those two positions are a must. Ideally, you get both of them. You get a good tackle and you get a star rusher, right? And that's what Miles Garrett is. And I think sometimes when you've been in Cleveland, when you've seen the dysfunction, and at the end of the day, what Miles Garrett knows, they're stuck.

Why? Because Deshaun Watson is an anchor on the franchise. And it's something that in his career, it's going to weigh him down. He could have a 30-sack season. It doesn't matter because they've guaranteed this guy so much money. They guaranteed at the time Miles Garrett a historical haul. You know what? It didn't matter. He produced.

and he dominated, and he became the defensive player of the year, and he pro bowls, all pros. Like, that's what you want when you pay a guy a premium. You want them to respond and be the best player on the field. And we see that around the NFL all the time, right? The Minnesota Vikings gave Justin Jefferson all that money. Here one, it's like, geez, God, this guy's good. The Cowboys gave C.D. Lamb all that money.

Like, jeez, my God, I want this guy on my team. And that's what you want when you pay these guys, the unlimited amount of cash, that they're now making because of the revenue in the NFL. And Miles Garrett is everything you want in a super high pick. He becomes a superstar player. But when you're in a dysfunctional organization, these guys eventually, even when they've, you know,

money can buy loyalty, let's face it. But there comes to a breaking point where it's like, this sucks. Now, part of this is he wants a new contract as well. And it's time to pay him. So if you are going to trade for Miles Garrett, you're then going to double down more than likely and give him, you know, $120 to $140 million. guaranteed. I actually don't think it's that crazy. To me, his historical comp, I kind of looked

around. Free agency began in the early 90s. And one of the biggest first free agents, and really a guy that changed the game was Reggie White. Now, when Reggie White went to the Green Bay Packers, he was older than Miles Garrett is today. Miles Garrett turned 29 in December. So he will basically play the majority of next season at 29 years old. Reggie White, during his Packer career was basically 31, 32 to 37, 38 years old. So it was like in his early to mid to late 30s is when he played for the Green Bay Packers.

And every single year he was a pro bowler and a first or second team all pro. And that's when Pro Bowls matter. Not when they just became the participation award where it's like, who's in this? You're like, oh yeah, Drake Mac Jones, Trey Lance. Like, what is going?

How is this happening? It's like, no, that was a, day, like when I was a kid, you made the Pro Bowl, you were an elite players. Like, NBA All-Star game, same thing, right? And the NBA All-Star game still is that. The best players go. Now, they may not play, and they definitely do not now. But the Pro Bowl now, you have no clue who is going to accept. Most of them would rather go to Cancun with their wife or girlfriend or just go play golf. But Reggie White was signed. And from 32 to 38 years old for six years, he was worth every penny. And he solidified his Hall of Fame career. And obviously,

recently was a huge, huge part of the Packers turning that franchise around with Brett Farve and Mike Holmgren and winning a Super Bowl and going to another. So I think when you look at Miles Garrett, this is not one of those Lucas situations where all these teams like, you know guys, you could have called us. We'd have offered you a shitload. We'd have offered you so much, it would have been hard to hang up the phone. Even if you didn't, you know, you wanted Anthony Davis to have bad. You would have not slept well at night with our offer on the table. Right? And I think that's what every team in the league is going to call about Miles Garrett.

Every single one. And there are going to be, I would imagine, 10 to 15 that are going to be ultra aggressive. You're talking first round picture, talking second round picture, talking players, like, willing to play ball. And this isn't just playoff teams. Like, it's easy to go, well, the Green Bay Packers or the Washington commanders, I think average to below average. teams are going to get involved.

Because it's like, well, we give you, you can make a long list of the ability to make a package to land this guy. And when the dust settles, I would say minimum, you're getting a one, several twos, maybe a three, and some players. It is going to blow your socks off. And more than likely, they're going to start the offer. You know, if you're on the Cleveland side, is like multiple ones, multiple twos, and a player.

Now it gets a little complicated because of the money that you have to pay him and his age. If this was a guy after his first, you know, aka it's rookie contract, you know, you'd be talking about like three first round picks. But because, you know, you're talking about eighth, ninth, tenth year guy going into his 30s, you know, maybe you only get one one. But to me, it's a ton of twos, threes, players. You know, it wouldn't shock me at all if they got multiple ones and two and players. So the amount that you're not only going to ask, the amount that you're going to end up getting is going to be a shitload. It's a lot like real estate, right? Certain markets, you can start the bidding at whatever number.

It's only going to go up because that is a desired neighborhood. And when you talk about a pass rusher, you're talking about probably you could argue the most desired pass rusher in the NFL. I mean, honestly, his only negative is that he's almost 30. But if you look at it like Reggie White, you know, the thing with Luca is like, yeah, we think he's, He's fat. I never want that to be a conversation with my GM or my coach about my superstar player. Though, if he's fat, he's like the greatest fat player I've ever seen. But like, when you look at Miles Garrett, no one worries like, I wonder about his conditioning.

I remember a couple years ago when the highlights came out, he was playing at like the YMCA pickup basketball. And it was like, is that LeBron James? And it was Miles Garrett like dunking on people. he looked like an NBA player. And Cleveland immediately came out and was like, you cannot do that. Obviously, they're worried about him like shattering a knee or an ankle. But his highlights on the basketball court,

athletically, look like a high-in NBA athlete. And he's a defense event. So like from a physicality standpoint, from a genetic standpoint, I don't think anyone's worried. Like, I wonder if Miles Garrett's going to put on some weight as he get older. The only thing you worry about with older players are susceptibility to injuries.

and to me he looked like a pretty terrible player. And Reggie White clearly was looking at his time, his tenure in Green Bay from, you know, he basically turned 32 in Green Bay through 38, was playing all the time, was not missing games. So I don't know if you trade from Miles Garrett, you're thinking he's going to play for you till 38. But I think it's realistic to think I can get four years out of a first team

all pro. Like that's the level in which he gives me at that position. So teams are going to be. very, very interested. And to me, like, the playoff teams, you know, it gets complicated, right? If you are the Lions, for example, you've just paid a lot of guys on your team. You just paid a ton of guys on your team. In the first couple years, their salary cap number is a little lower because you can finagle the books that way. But in a couple years, it's all going to hit. And you also have a guy in Aidan Hutchinson, assuming that he comes back healthy and it was just a broken leg.

Like, he's going to need to get paid in a year. So, like, to me, they were, a team like I'd give two ones for him right now. And who knows, maybe they do it. I think the Green Bay Packers are a team. Speaking of Reggie White, who should be all in on this guy. I see the Washington commanders mentioned a lot on the interweb. And I see both sides of it. It's like, well, when you get Jayden Daniels, you might as well double the bleep down. And when you get Jayden Daniels, like, this is part of like hitting a quarterback, go all in. Now, the thing I would say is, you know, your draft picks, you would still like to use, like if it's going to cost you two ones. You know, you have a bunch of money.

Now, you're not going to be able to sign a guy in free agency remotely as good as Miles Garrett. But couldn't we utilize signing the best free agents and even quote unquote overpaying and then also using our draft picks, which we've proven to be pretty good at, only through a short period of time here? Like, I've got to be pretty confident that I'm going to nail some of those picks. But these are conversations that you're going to have long and heart. Like if you're Cleveland, I don't think you're opposed to trading them in the AFC if the offer's right.

But like, you're not trading them in your division. You're not trading them to the Baltimore Ravens. You're not trading them to the Kansas Chiefs. You know, the Patriots are a team that I see, you know, mentioned a lot. I think the problem for the shitty teams is I don't think you can trade them with a straight face to your fans without getting a first round pick in 2025 in this upcoming draft. and if you're the Patriots, given how terrible you are, you have a ton of money, but you are terrible.

Like, I don't think you can give the fourth pick for him, because you're not a player away from being a player away from being three players away. But if you're Washington, I think you go, well, couldn't we just buy some free agents offensively? Maybe a T. Higgins, bring Zach Ertz back, you know, draft are running back in the third round, and let's just go all in for Miles Garrett. I think you'd have to think long and hard.

So to me, Washington, Detroit, Green Bay, you know the Rams are always sniffing around. I would say the Eagles as well. We know Howie's relationship with Andrew Barry. So I understand Cleveland going, you know what? We don't want to trade you. And that seems like a consistent theme. There gets to a point where you're in such a shitty position because of the Deshawn Watson contract. You kind of have a chance to reset your whole franchise.

And it's not like you're trading this guy after his rookie contract. He's given you defensive player of the year, all these all pros. You can still sell him really, really high. Right. In a year or two, if something gets weird, if he were to get injured, his value could get cut in half immediately. So given your situation with the anchor of Watson's contract, that you have this super high pick,

maybe it's not the worst thing in the world to just nuke this thing. So I Cleveland can say whatever they want My guess is that Miles Garrett ends up getting traded Before or right around free agency This ain't the little itty-bitty tiny bowl This is the Super Bowl Fifty-nine get in on the action

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or wherever you get your podcast. Some other stuff in the NFL today. Florio reported that the owners want to get this 18-game schedule on the books, like happening, in the next two to three years, and they hope to get it solidified by the end of 2025. So it's going to be a huge push. I would imagine as some of these owners meetings happen, that conversation is going to grow and grow and grow.

Now, Goodell pushed back and said that we haven't had any serious conversations about that. I think it's an easy thing to kind of lie about. Listen, we know the 18 games schedule is coming. I think the only question is, does it come in 2017? 2007 or does it come in 2030? If I was a betting man, the way the NFL operates, once they put their mind to something, they usually get it. And I also think their negotiation with the players is pretty easy.

It's more money for you. Like, it's just another check. It just brings in more revenue. So I would guess the latest was 25, the 2008 we have an 18 game schedule. You know, Goodell says, like, and listen, I, they're going to be. going to Australia in two years. For the first time they've been to Australia since 1999, and that was a preseason game.

All signs point to it being the Eagles, who one of their star players, Jordan Milata, Australian guy, and the Los Angeles Rams. I do think, you know, one theory I had with the NFL is this next, whenever they get into business in seven, eight years to re-up the television deal,

it's clear that TV is going to be dramatically different. Just think about the way that we consume. I know for this. I watch a lot of CBS, ABC, and NBC, because I watch football and golf, right, and basketball, and I watch sports. But if I didn't, I would, even my YouTube TV,

I would be much more inclined to just watch Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu, whatever it may be, and just watch the shows that they bring to the table? Because I think about when it's not about me, when I get into my bed at night and we go, let's watch something.

We do not go to YouTube TV to see what's on any of the channels, right? I wonder what's playing on ESPN tonight. I wonder what's on even just Bravo or whatever shows she would watch. We go to Netflix. We go to Hulu. We go to Paramount Plus or Amazon Prime.

Now, those take shows from some of those networks, obviously. But the NFL's no time. me. They see where all this is trending. So part of going international, because I keep going, what's the point? If they're not going to move the Jags over to London, like, why are they so dead set on doing this? Well, they want to continue to grow the fan base, because guess what? When they sign, they're doing the Netflix, the couple games right now on Christmas, what about when they sign a package? So every week, two games on Sunday, morning and afternoon,

are on Netflix. Well, where can Netflix broadcast to? All over the world, So they would like people in the UK, they would like people in Australia, they would like people in, you name it, Brazil, Southern America, in Asia, to watch the games. So their strategy, again, this is just an educated guess here,

the expansion of these games over there is just to build the audience for the streamers. So when they send the giants and the jacks, even when they send the shitty games over the course of the years, that eventually when Netflix or Apple or whoever gets these packages and it's no longer just on CBS

like it is now that those people over there can watch it. Why? Because they have access to Netflix just like you and I do. It's why Jake Paul and Mike Tyson did such massive numbers. It wasn't just dudes in Texas and Los Angeles and Seattle watching.

It was a 28-year-old dude or a 38-year-old dude or a 48-year-old dude in fucking Australia or in Germany or in San Sebastian. fashion in Spain. Like I dropped out, I've been there once. Pretty cool place.

Highly recommend it. But my point is that I think that's what they're doing here. It's not about putting teams over there. It's about building the audience for the streamers. And that's why he says he wants to start a flag football league that I just wrote, LOL, start a flag football league. And maybe I'm underestimating it. I know a lot of kids play flag football now.

I mean, flag football has always been around. Like when I was in college, intramural football was not tackle his flag. was just seeing Roger say the flag football thing. This has made me laugh. He, uh, he hammered the Brady thing with Fox and the Raiders is a non-issue, and he was very impressed with how Brady bounced it.

I really don't think he cares. Uh, the only way that I see it becoming an issue is if other owners make it a big deal. And until they do that, like Roger doesn't care, because you get one of the most famous guys in league history on your broadcast, which whether he's good or bad, it doesn't matter. is still a positive for the league.

He's not that bad, but I mean, he's watchable. And they clearly just, you know, I think you like having a good relationship with your super, superstar players. He claimed that the Chiefs officiating conversation is a ridiculous theory. And things on the internet can grow to a life of their own. He's not wrong.

But so, yeah, you know, Roger, there's a big week for him. This is when, this is, you know, in the business of the NFL, they have a lot of people that spend a lot of money. And obviously the TV partners, you know, there's a huge week for Fox,

but also all their beer sponsors, all the people that are a part of their operation that spend a lot of money for the individual teams. This is the week when you bring them and their executive team and their teams that work on the projects for you, and you wine and dine them. And they get to enjoy and they get the VIP experience.

And that's when you hear people say this is a corporate event. That's what they mean as a corporate event. Because the Coors lights, the Budlights, the Verizon, you fucking name it, who spend millions of dollars and sign $100 million long-term deals with the league. Like, this is really about them.

And then kind of the two fan bases of the teams. But like the number one goal for the league is to make sure those people have a good time. Chip Kelly, We talked about it yesterday. I was a little, befuddled might be the right word, perplexed. Just don't really see the fit.

I think it's a little weird with Pete and Chip. Also was a little taken back that Chip would keep bouncing around, kind of like an NBA player that's just a mercenary. And then I saw that Albert Breer reported that he got $6 million a year. And Chip Kelly is now the highest paid coordinator in the NFL. people are going to think I'm a hater and there's nothing else I can say to debunk that, but I don't know how your take couldn't be.

That is absurd. That is insanity. Vic Fangio, who I think was the highest paid coordinator before this, making a little over $4 million, I would say, Howie, listen, you're going to have to talk to Jeffrey for me because I can't coach Super Bowl until I make more than Chip Kelly.

Chip Kelly's worked in the NFL for four seasons. one of them is the worst season in the history of the San Francisco 49ers. Like literally statistically, the worst season in the history of the franchise. The previous season in Philadelphia, with games left on the schedule, Big Dom had to escort him out of the building. And I get that he just won a national championship with Ohio State who has like an unlimited great players, who has a receiver that we all agree who's 19 years old would be, I don't know if he'd be the number one overall pick in this draft. Abdul Carter probably still would because he's a defensive man.

But this kid would be a top five pick. They have multiple, they have just star players everywhere. And yeah, their offense is decent. I saw him when he played the Michigan Wolverines who, who's their coordinator? Oh yeah, an NFL guy, Wink Martindale, beat the fuck out of him. How does it make any sense? I don't get it. And the other thing, clearly, it's not like Chip just like, I really want to work in the NFL, right?

Because he's making $2.5 million at Ohio State. You know, the average coordinator like him, he's got, you know, some leverage because of he makes. Okay, it's like, hey, we'll pay you three, three and a half million dollars. In what world do you have to pay him six million dollars? So it shows you like, did he really want the job? Or did you just pay him a three year contract worth $18 million? Like, yeah, I can't turn that down. Like, I just think, I think it's crazy. And I applauded the hire with Pete Carroll. Obviously, I love the John SpyTech hire. But being forced to give Chip Kelly the highest contract in the history of the NFL, like I saw Todd Munkin, who listen, we could. We could,

nitpick all we want in these playoff games. In what world, who just signed a new contract, could Todd Munkin as an NFL coordinator who's been doing it for a long time, make less money than Chip Kelly? I would imagine a lot of owners are like, what are we doing here? It's one thing when you give a guy like Spagnola,

who's done it at the highest level, won you championships, it's all, it's clear, right? Because a lot of coordinators in the NFL are head coaches. So they're in a different bucket. But let's go Spags. If Chip Kelly's worth six, what's Spag's worth? 20?

I mean, one of Chip Kelly's flaws when he was in the NFL as a head coach slash offensive coordinator, his teams didn't do that well against physical defenses. They got tossed around, why it's a little soft. Now, you can say the game has changed a little bit since then. Not totally wrong. And Chip has, I would say, continues to attempt to innovate. But $6 million? I feel like right now the Raiders, because they've made

so much more money moving to Vegas. They got this influx of cash with Brady and all these venture capitalist guys. This is a place where coaches go to rob them. Like, Mark, you just... How could you go... Listen, I'm not here to medal. Not here to medal.

If you wanted to give $6 million to Spagnola, to Kevin O'Connell, to whoever the brightest young coordinator is, who's kicking ass, taking names, I could be convinced. But this guy is crazy. I mean, it's insanity. I think Joe Burrough, speaking of money,

I think he's trying to kind of go like LeBron on the Bengals. He gave, he was interviewed the other day on Series XM and he basically said that, I feel like we can retain all of our star players, i.e. Jamar Chase, T. Higgins and T. Hedri Hendricks and T. The problem is,

and Duke Tobin and the Bengals' ownership have talked about, like, we can't pay six guys all top of the market money. That's not really the way the business works. And they're not totally wrong. And I understand where Joe Burrell's coming from. Obviously, Chase is going nowhere, but I do not want to lose the other two guys. And if you're Joe Burrow, you definitely don't want to lose T. Higgins

because that impacts you. And you're no dummy. You know how hard it is to find a guy like Hendrickson. I think he's trying to do it. But like, you know, this is not the NBA. And this is a situation where I don't know if it's going to change. You're dealing with an old, stubborn owner. Like you're dealing with a guy who it was very,

very difficult for him to change with you. And you were a quarterback and it's clear how hard it is to find that position. I think he'd go, listen, we'll find another T. Higgins. And I don't even know if he's totally wrong on that. Because I saw a report today, I think from Jeremy Fowler, that T. Higgins is going to want $30 plus million a year. Well, if he wants $30 plus million a year, what's Jamar Chase going to want? 50?

And I saw it last year. Like, if the 49ers could do it over, they just would have traded Brandon I youth before the draft. That would have been the right move. So you've got to be very careful with paying your number two wide receiver or the guy giving you number two production. But I do think with Hendrickson, what are you going to do? What the guy walking out of the building?

You'd be nuts. I think Joe Burroughs starting to realize like, guys, I see some of these teams. I mean, I got the Raiders. The fucking Raiders are giving Chip Kelly $6 million a year to call offense. We better figure out how to generate some money here. Because it used to be like the Raiders and the Bengals. Poorest teams in the league. Well, I ain't the Raiders anymore.

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by the Eagles and the Chiefs. And the one thing was Super Bowl week, when I was, you know, when the Super Bowl came to San Francisco, I was working in radio. So I was working downtown San Francisco. I was immersed that week, Radio Row and everything. And I was doing stuff on local television.

So I was just seeing the players on Monday, Tuesday all over the city. And I remember not really seeing the Broncos. I didn't see them anywhere. And I saw the Panthers everywhere. I mean, I remember just running into players like on the corner of streets.

They were just enjoying the experience. It's like made it to the superintend. What an incredible accomplishment. And I think it's very, very difficult for certain players, especially young players, to not be, I would say, overwhelmed by the experience. Now, luckily both these teams, I mean, the Chiefs win it every year. So the Mahomes, the Chris Jones, the Kelsey's, the McDuffies, I mean, they got even some of their younger players. But what about like Jalen Carter, Xavier Worthy, the Eagles new draft picks, Quinion Mitchell? I mean, these guys, even though these were blue chip, first-round players,

Jalen Carter's won an NCAA championship, I think he won two. Xavier Worthy was just in the college football playoffs. They have been to a high level of football with a lot of hoopla around it. But there's nothing like this. There's nothing like this week because it's two weeks. And you spend all week there. And really, Monday you practice a little bit. And I'm recording this before the thing,

night. You go to the quote unquote media night, which is, you know, changed a little bit over the years, but still just a, just a lot of hoopla and just a lot going on on that thing. And then you get Tuesday off. And you get moments to kind of just do whatever you want to do. And this is New Orleans. Like, there is a lot to do there. And you got family, you've got cousins, you've got a lot of people in your life. And you're going to have to lean if you're the Eagles. Obviously, the coaches can tell you whatever they want, and you're going to need the Lane Johnson's, the Brandon Graham's, you know, those guys, because Kelsey and Fletcher Cox are gone now.

You know, when they made it last time, they had a really, really veteran team. Now they're pretty dependent on some very young players, right? I mean, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Mitchell, Cooper DeGene. I mean, these are clearly elite players, but this week to focus it on football, and as Pat Riley says, make the main thing, the main thing, keep the main thing, the main,

it can be difficult. Put yourself in those shoes. If you're Xavier Worthy, it's easy for Mahomes and Travis Kelsey. These guys are, we're at losing to get already legends. If you're like, I'm in the Super Bowl.

Like, this is freaking sweet. Probably invite some of your boys, invite your family, whoever, who wants to come? Let's roll. So I think it's a big challenge. just to keep everyone focused.

It's not easy. On the coaches, on the players, on the veteran guys. But at the end of the day, like, this is the pros. And as a player, like, it is somewhat on you to try to drown out the noise, kind of keep the tunnel vision. It's much easier said than done. So very, very interested to see how the young players, what the teams do to kind of keep those guys locked in.

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I actually just saw before I hopped on that the Rams will try to trade Cooper Cup this offseason, aka in the next month, basically at the combine. I think the problem, and you see this happen with a lot of older veteran players who make a lot of money, but no longer produce to that salary, is they're not really a tradable player. And this is a guy who's battled injuries, super high character, hard worker still, blocks his ass off. But in terms of, he makes $20 million next season.

And he's just not a $20 million player at this point. It doesn't mean that he can't have a bounce back year. But we see this song and dance every single offseason, like they're going to have to cut them. Cooper Cup is going to be cut. And then, you know, he's going to sign for way less than $20 million. And someone's going to hope that they can catch lighting in a bottle. He has a big season.

He says healthy. But based on his salary, he just, I don't see how he's a tradable asset. Even for teams like the Patriots who are going to want, like, the Jets, all these teams. We get new coaches, the Raiders that are going to want like high character winning players. dudes that are about the right shit, practice their ass off, kind of set the tone. I don't know if I can pay $20 million for that. So I think he's just going to get cut.

Now, maybe those teams can overpay him once he's released, but, you know, Cooper Cups, the first of many guys coming down the line here that are just not going to be on their teams. Listen to the latest mailbag. Dune is badass. Definitely check it out. I actually might. I'm flying to New Orleans in the morning.

Maybe I'll download that on. my, on the old iPad. I probably should read a book. You know, I always tell myself, I bring a book. I got a book right now that's been in my kind of laptop book bag carrying case thing, you know, that goes on your shoulder that, like, mature adults are supposed to wear. It basically just sits on my, on my floor in my office the whole time. But I've had this book, never split the difference.

It's like a negotiating book in there for like three years. And every time I'm like, this is the time I'm going to read on the plane. And then I just end up watching like four episodes of some stupid shows. question for the mailbag. Every year in the NFL, things happen that are totally unexpected. Darnold is good. Washington goes to the NFC championship. Dallas sucks.

The Niners suck. In 2025, what are some crazy things you could see happen that would blindside the NFL fans and media? Would be a better question for July and August, but wanted to put this on your radar. I do think it's difficult to do this like in February because, Cooper Cup is a good example. The amount of players that get cut before free agency that are just big names is pretty high.

And then we will see massive trades. Right? Like, who is going to trade for Miles Garrett? Does he get traded? Like, what happens? You know, and then obviously the quarterbacks that get drafted and move teams. So I hear what you're saying.

I think it's just way too early to even think about one thing you learn fall in the league and working the league and just talking about football nonstop. It's so cliche when coaches say this is like every year's a new year. Every team when the season starts is different from the previous years. And they say that not because like, yeah, Mahomes, Kelsey, like a lot of guys are saying. You get a lot of turnover. You know, depending on how good and bad your team is.

I mean, you're getting 15, 20, 30%. I mean, some of these teams, I mean, the Jets, some of the bad teams, the race, There can be massive, massive purchase. So I think it's just really hard to do that right now. But I appreciate it. We'll definitely, we're going to need some content in the summer, so we will do that as well. But a lot of people are asking me,

you know, I'm a big golf better. You boy, I just hit the Rory bet over the weekend. You know, I haven't been, we haven't been doing the go-low pod. We'll start that after Super Bowl week, or within the next couple weeks for sure. But who I'm gambling on, because I do gamble on golf. I do like Scottie Sheffler this week.

Now you get him, he's like three and a half, four to one on draft kings. Some other guys that I like is like top tens and 20s. Tom Kim, a younger guy who's on Tigers team in the TGL. He's pretty electric young kid. Kind of small doesn't hit that long. It's actually getting longer in distance. He's a really good player. And to me, he's kind of a bright lights.

He's good in the President's Cup. I like him a lot this weekend. Top 20, top 10. if you want to sprinkle and get aggressive top five top, you know, to win it. But to me, listen, Scott Schieffler's odds are pretty bad. He's won this tournament before. I play this course a lot. It's tailor-made for him.

In Pebble, he's coming off ripping his hand open, and he's still finished, like, tied for eighth or seventh. He'll be fine. So Tom Kim, Stigala are a couple guys I like, as top tens and 20s. had to download the re-download the gram after two years of not DMing. You reemphasize your belief

on not taking a top wide receiver over the line of scrimmage. I wholeheartedly agree. Playing Armchair GM, when Pete took Witherspoon at 5 over Carter, I agreed at the time, given the character, but is this just overthinking it?

If he had done that, we could have moved up for Knicks the next year instead of taking Byron Murphy. Murphy is good. but he's not Carter. Even if we took Paris Johnson the year after we took cross, the left tackle. Feels like the Hawks and John are not emphasizing a need. We get desperate for a years.

Good backers, good secondary, elite pass catchers, and back. Obviously, need a quarterback for the future, but it's so hard to get one. Please give me help. Let me say this. I think when you factor in character and you factor in off the field stuff, that's a curveball. So like they took Witherspoon Who went healthy is a really really good player I can't fault you for Pete Carroll

Not being comfortable with the player He had taken flyers before on guys You know Pete's pretty liberal When it comes to like judging people's character I mean they have taken some serious flyers And some of them worked You know I mean early on he got Marchand for a fourth That worked out really well

And it was good fit for him But they've also had some Percy Harvins. They've had some, remember Malik McDowell? I mean, you would because you're a fan. But very huge red flag was a bad situation. So I think Pete Carroll understands how important drafting Jalen Carter, but it's like he didn't trust the person. And given where their franchise was,

he didn't think they were equipped to handle it. I think if it's L.O.B, he brings him in with Richard Sherman and that crew. So I think if he had passed on like Jalen, I don't think he passed on Jalen Carter if he's just a normal character guy. If he hadn't been in a car accident where multiple people died and left the scene and then had to leave the combine

to check himself into jail. You know, I think I give you, I give Pete Carroll a pass on that one. Mailbag, theoretically, if you were a commissioner and you were able to cut the number of NBA games in half and only have 40, Do you think that would solve a lot of the problems that the NBA has?

Players sitting out not carrying games feeling insignificant. I just don't think you can really play that game. We do that a lot with baseball and basketball. They're sports, their sport. Like, you play a lot of games in baseball and basketball. Starting in college, in college basketball, you play two to three games a week. College baseball, you play Tuesday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. You know, a huge part of those sports, you play.

play a ton at a at a young age you know football everyone tries to mimic or copy football in terms of the setup of the lack of games if football could play 50 games they would you just physically can't i mean it's it's we're stretching an 18 so i think we always do play less major league baseball games play less NBA games i don't know if that's going to change i hear a lot of people go go from 82 to 70. Okay, then guys are still going to sit out. So I hear what you're saying, but I think that's a little overrated.

Longtime listener and a lifelong Notre Dame fan. We obviously had an incredible run, but I can't help but notice that the Irish never seemed to have top-tier explosive wide receivers. There are some obvious outliers, but compared to other elite programs, we never seem to land the big name. What will it take to start bringing in those top tier guys?

Should Notre Dame focus more NIL on whiteouts, or as Marcus Freeman build a strong enough culture to stay the course with tough defense and incredibly good run game to win an addy? Who are your outliers? Golden Tate, Chase Claypool. I think it's difficult because,

you know, for the most part, I would say when you think Notre Dame, you don't think sweet whiteouts and sweet, wide outs and sweet dbs, right? But you're able to get really good defensive linemen in. I think you have to look at it from an academic standpoint. You have high academic standards. So when Stanford was really good under Harbaugh and David Shaw, they didn't have that many sweet wide receivers either. Doug Baldwin, you know, Sherman was a wide receiver, moved a corner, but they won exactly like Marcus Freeman's plan. Get a great quarterback,

dominate the line of scrimmage, and be tougher. So I think that's just kind of the way, you're going to move like you have no, like Ohio State is no academic standards or LSU or Georgia to get a player into school. If you're good enough, I'm getting you into school. Period point blank, end of story. You guys have them. And if I was a fan, I'd be like, can we throw them away for some players? And clearly they don't.

You know, when Brian Kelly said that I'm leaving to go to LSU because I think I can win a national championship there, he was simply saying the academic requirements are lower. That's all he was saying. He can't say that out loud, but that's what he was saying. I can get anyone I want into school. I couldn't do that in Notre Dame, which how much longer are we even going to play this game

or school even factors in? It's probably coming to an end. What team do you think would be ideal for Belichick to return to the NFL? Personally, I think it's the Bengals. Taylor might be on his way out if the Bengals missed the playoffs next year. and Bill has a history of doing more with less on special teams and defense since the Bengals are allergic to spending big money

on anyone not named Burrell. And Chase. We'll see on that one. You know what my hot take is going to be? I don't think Bill ever comes back. I think if Bill has success this year and success for Bill could be, I don't know, nine and three,

but it just gains momentum and it looks like he's got something there. I think I could just see him doing that. His kids there, his buddy Mike Lombardi's there. I just, if I was a betting man, I would bet on Bill being there for three or four years. I really would.

I could be wrong. Maybe I'm naive. Maybe I'm ignorant. But if it goes well, I could see Bill Belichick being there. Now, what if it goes bad? What if he goes six and six? Is he still just desirable? I mean, probably is,

but there is a chance that Belichick's name diminishes a little bit if they were to not have a good season. It's hard to even know. I mean, I don't fall college football recruiting well enough. And it's so hard to even tell because guys change rosters all the time. Like, is team good? Who's his quarterback?

Like what? And who knows? I mean, we'll find out spring ball and who are his coaches? Who are his coaches? They keep pushing back on that. It's like, well, do you have a staff? I know he's hired some guys. what does it take for the bills to fire McDermott next year?

I think Sean would have to pull like a Zach Taylor and miss the playoffs. If they continue to be the number two seed and make it to the AFC championship game, you're going to fire the guy? I just don't see it happening. They have the same season they do, win the AFC East with ease, and then rattle off a couple of playoff victories. I know we act like it's devastating, but he's losing to Mahomes. He's losing to Mahomes and Andy Reed.

It's like he's out-coached. Of course he is. Andy Reid's a better coach. Who's out coaching Andy Reid? Not John Harbaugh. Like, who's out coaching him? I don't see anyone out coaching him. Maybe Sean Payton or Jim Harbaugh could in a playoff game if they had a good enough team.

But those guys are better than Sean McDermott. It's like, and you're not getting either one of those guys, they got jobs. So who are you hiring? Elevate Joe Brady? The guy that was running quarterback sneaks in the line of scrimmage? I just don't see your options.

I mean, I really don't. I have a question for the podcast. What are your thoughts on the Cowboys hire of Schottenheimer? The Seahawks had him as an offensive coordinator for three years, and in my opinion, he was terrible and doesn't seem like a player-friendly coach or a guy that is respected by players. It just seems to me that his hire as a head coach was a lack of options by an out-of-touch owner who impulsively hired him, and since the Cowboys blew a chance at good coaching,

by waiting a good coaching hire, by waiting, why wouldn't Jerry have waited a little longer to get Kellan Moore? I just think he would have been a better fit for the Cowboys having experience in the organization. The thing I'll say about the players is a bunch of Cowboys showed up to his press conference and they were all hugging him after and main one being Dak.

And it's pretty clear like Dak is pretty highly respected in that organization. So I don't know if I could agree with you on the player standpoint. Now, I don't know anyone with the Cowboys. so it's not like I'm speaking beside side information just based on what I've seen but I think a big reason that they hired him

is they thought the players really liked them I think that was a driving force is they felt like obviously Jerry can control him and he's relatively cheaper but like the players like him I don't think he's hired if the

if Dak Prescott and the players are not on board but yeah I mean, it's an overwhelming kind of out of left field. If I would have told you December 1st that Brian Schottenheimer's going to be their next coach, I don't think anyone would have believed you. How do you view Kingsbury as a head coach

in the next hiring cycle? As a Cardinal fan, I felt he had restraints on fully running the offense. He is running now with the commanders. He also has more connections in the league now to build a staff, as I felt his position coaches were weak when he was with the cards.

Two, as an NFL scout, were you responsible? or partially responsible for finding a diamond in the rough. I think that's fair. Maybe Cliff has grown. Maybe his knowledge of knowing guys in the NFL now is much wider, given his time spent as an NFL coach and now as an assistant. He's just got a better quarterback, so the offense looks better, for sure.

He had a really good year. I mean, he was definitely one of the standout coordinators in the NFL, especially non-head coach coordinator. And most, you know, so many of the hot offensive coordinators are also head coaches. But of just the pure offensive coordinators, he was easily one of the best in the NFL. I think with the internet, the diamond in the rough thing is something like from the 60s, the 70s, the 80s. I just think the internet and the technology now has kind of changed the game. Like, if you run a 4-2 at some little pro day that one scouted,

is at, that information gets out. You know, and it gets, every team has access to that. If you lead Division 3 as like the all-time leading tackler or, you know, you have a 25 touchdown, there's just no way to hide. I think that is a term that is pretty outdated. I think when you see guys drafted higher than other, we have a different grade on you. But I think it is very, very, very. rare for a player to be drafted

that every team in the league does not have draft grades on. Which to me, a diamond in the rough in like the 80s, there would be guys drafted that other teams would have never heard of. That does not happen anymore. So I guess it's a long way. I think it's kind of over. I mean, look at college football. I think it used to happen a lot in college football.

Now with the expansion of rivals and the internet, you know, if you get one offer, even if you're not like an Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State guy, what if I just get offered from San Diego State? Then other teams in my conference pay attention. Then they might offer you. And then the teams on the lower end of the power force are paying attention. Like, who's this guy? And it's just a trickle of, you know, down effect.

So it's like a domino. And I think it's just, I think the world's changed with that. and I think most people in the NFL would agree. There is really no such thing as a diamond in the rough. Now, there is in the sense that we believed in this guy. Everyone thought he was an undrafted free agent. They laughed at us. We took him in the fifth round and he became a 10-year starter.

Like that happens. But I don't think it happens. If we took this guy in the sixth round, half the league was like, who the fuck is Billy Middilkoff? You're like, oh, this guy he's playing at Arizona Tech. Like Arizona Tech? What division's out? Division 4.

Where'd you find this guy? This couple guys told me about it. Those days are over. Question for the mailbag. With the allegations against Justin Tucker, if the Ravens had won the AFC and were preparing for the Super Bowl, how do you think they would handle the situation? Stand him down for the game or drag out the process and say,

they're doing an investigation and let him play and deal with it in the offseason? It's a good question. I mean, obviously it's a hypothetical. We don't know the answer to. I mean, besides the headlines, I haven't really paid that much attention to it. I saw, you know, the allegations came out. Justin Tucker came back, hard rebuttal,

and then more allegations came. I think your equity, you know, Justin Tucker's been on the team for what? A decade? Longer than that? So his equity with Harbaugh, with the owner, with DeCoste, he's 35,

years old. He joined the Ravens in 2012. So he's been on the team 14, 15 years. So I would say those, John Harbaugh, a former special teams coach, would have a pretty good feel for him as a guy. And the equity, and listen, you don't know everything the guy's doing outside the building, but you got a pretty good idea. Like, all these teams have legit security and they follow these guys and word gets out. So it's like, do you trust them? And it's just a he said, she said, so there's no way like, you're. can prove any of it.

But if you have no other information saying that he's guilty and he's telling you he's innocent and he's been on your team for well over a decade, I would say he's one of the more definitive special teams players of my lifetime in terms of this guy you can name. Like who's one of the great special teams? Who are the best kickers you've ever seen? Like his name comes up pretty fast. So if they trust him, which I don't, you know, your guess is good as mine what they actually feel about him. I clearly don't not like him.

I don't know necessarily about this issue, but my guess is he would play. If he's taken the stance, if I've done nothing and they would take his word for it, would be my educated guess of falling football. A lot of you guys hit me with the wind on this, the name for the fans. And I was thinking about, you know, a lot of you guys are firing in the DMs. like the outlaws, the outliers, the clique, the posse, the cough squad, the cough crew, all sorts of stuff.

The coffers made me laugh. One I did not hate was crew, my crew, with a K. I do think it has to be one word. It doesn't have to be football related either. But I think it does have to pop off the tongue. And I used the Jim Rome one when I was young, the clones. It just, the clones. It just kind of works.

You know, I, I think ending with an S helps the clones. You know, Portnoy calls the Stoley's called it forever. I think, you know, some of these, like the punt team, right? Or the, whatever. I think it's hard when it's like a statement. This one's not terrible, the mailman. But I do think it has to, I think when it ends in S, it's a little bit better. Don't hate the mailman.

I do like the cough crew or just the crew with K. You could make hatch anyone that knows like those golfing hats that have like the letters. K-R-E-W. I think that would actually look kind of sick. But yeah, keep firing those in. Again, I'm crowdsourcing this. Open to ideas. Open to a lot of different ideas.

I do think one word is very important to get it to stick than like a statement. Like the punting unit. I just, I don't hate the idea. Like I know where I appreciate everyone firing in those ideas. I just don't think it really works. Again, could be wrong. I don't pretend to have all the answers. But, yeah, I'm going to go ahead to have dinner.

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