The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Myles Garrett SKIPS OTAs, Caleb Williams ADDRESSES Book Comments, Stefon Diggs Boat Video
Episode Date: May 30, 2025John reacts to the news that Cleveland Browns superstar Myles Garrett is not present at OTAs, but rather with his girlfriend at the anime awards after securing a lucrative contract extension. John rea...cts to Chicago Bears QB Caleb Williams addressing the media in regards to him and his father's pre-draft concerns with the Bears. John reacts to Indianapolis Colts head coach Shane Steichewn's comments on the splitting the reps between incumbent QB Anthony Richardson and free agent signing QB Daniel Jones. John reacts to New England Patriots head coach Mike Vrabel addressing the media in regards to WR Stefon Diggs viral boat video with rapper Cardi B. John dives into NFL boat related controversies of the past, such as the New York Giants infamous boat picture before their playoff game against the Green Bay Packers, as well as the 2005 Minnesota Vikings Love Boat scandal. John wraps up with Fugazi Fridays as well as Microsoft Chasing Challenges where he discusses the challenges NFL teams face with bonding throughout the offseason. Lastly, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 02:27 - Myles Garrett 05:49 - Caleb Williams 10:40 - Trey Lance 11:44 - Anthony Richardson & Daniel Jones 13:40 - Stefon Diggs 19:00 - 2005 Minnesota Vikings 20:51 - Fugazi Friday: John vs the Scorpion 24:01 - Microsoft Chasing Challenges 39:05 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow - for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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with his girlfriend. So we will discuss that. Caleb, got to give the young man some credit. I thought
did a really good job the other day discussing his situation.
Anthony Richardson versus Daniel Jones,
I feel like that decision's already been made.
I really do.
And I think Anthony Richardson's time in Indianapolis,
TikTok, we had a boat incident with some drugs,
pink powder from Stefan Diggs and Cardi B.
Well, Cardi B wasn't in the part with the drugs.
she came in later with some dancing, but
boats and NFL players, man.
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but we've all heard it over the years
when someone tells you who they are, listen.
Definitely in scouting, right?
It's kind of an old adage.
The young man will tell you through his actions,
his maturity, how much he cares, when you're scouting him.
So don't be surprised when you knew everything
and then you get him to the NFL team.
And he's already proven who he was.
Now, some people change, some people mature.
But Miles Garrett didn't run away from his feelings
about the Cleveland Browns.
this offseason.
He went to the Super Bowl on a mission.
I want a trade.
Get me out of here.
And the Cleveland Browns,
because of their owner
and his desire to get to Sean Watson,
put themselves into predicament.
Worst contract of all time.
The guy now is multiple Achilles stares
over the last six months.
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all-time great talent,
who wanted to leave
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first round picks based on a
tradeback from two to five
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the coach in the gym would have been willing
to do they could be here
flush with picks
but you know what they did instead
the owner like with Deshawn Watson
because listen money could make a lot of people
shut up
now listen money changes a lot of our lives
lives, right? Especially for most people. It just cures our basic necessities. Pays for room and
board, pays for food, pays for transportation. Like, it's pretty important to most of us. And then you get
really rich, a guy like Miles Garrett, who made $123 million at the end of next last season. At 30 years old,
that's an astronomical amount of money. And given that he's still in the prime of his career,
whether it was the Browns or someone else,
he would have another $150 million,
100% coming his way.
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This guy has a ton of cash.
Money is not going to change how you feel at all
when you're that rich.
So when Jimmy Haslam's like,
I'm not trading you, which is his prerogative,
but it made no sense.
And I remember thinking like,
why don't you just trade him right now?
He's giving you the out.
Because if you just imprompt you traded him,
and he didn't want to leave, there would be pushback.
Because most fans would go,
this guy is one of the more talented guys
in the history of this team and franchise.
And in the league, you could argue he's the most talented
or definitely top two or three,
most talented guy in the prime of his career in the league currently.
But he said he wanted out.
And they refused to do it.
And Jimmy Haslam gave him $125 million.
To shut him up.
Miles Garrett told him, I don't want to be there.
So when I see the story that he's in Japan,
with his girlfriend at the anime awards.
And there was a story after they paid him
that internally they wanted him to step up.
He'd been showing up late.
They think he could be a much better leader.
He doesn't want to play for your franchise.
And just because you gave him a lot of money
is not going to change that feeling internally for the guy.
Caleb Williams.
The story that broke the last, I don't know, 15 days
from Wickersham's book,
about Caleb and his dad's feelings
toward the Chicago Bears
is not new.
The story kind of is,
but those thoughts were from,
as we sit here, May 29, 2009, 2025,
15 months ago.
That's from January, February, March,
in 2024.
We're basically in June, 2025.
I don't blame them for having those thoughts.
Even if I don't agree with all of them
or think that some of them are kind of laughable,
you're allowed to think whatever you want to think.
And when you factor in family situations and his dad,
who by all accounts is a successful businessman,
had some strong beliefs.
No one, including Bears fans,
pushed back against his thoughts that like,
this is a place where quarterbacks go to die.
Are we sure Iber Flus is good enough?
They asked.
We all knew that answer.
No, he's not.
He's objectively one of the worst coaches we've ever seen.
It was like a more buttoned up Jim Tom.
Sua. But Caleb Williams could have easily taken the mic. And listen, he didn't talk last week,
his prerogative. Don't really blame him. Young guy, a lot of emotions. Give me a week. Let me just
take a deep breath. And you know what he did? He handled it like a 10-year vet. Because you know how
I would have handled it? Like, listen, guys, I'm not going to talk about things written in a book
from 15 months ago. I'm excited Ben's here. We have a loaded team. I can't wait for this fall.
I'm fired up to be a bear. That's the end of the story.
instead he went on like a three and a half minute kind of diatribe
acknowledging that none of that stuff was fake that that was real
not that any of us didn't believe it but he embraced it
and I thought you know what it would have been easy one for him just to avoid it
asked Rory McElroy where have you been buddy
nowhere to be seen won't acknowledge the press over something kind of quote
unquote controversial in golf it's about a driver so when you talk about a
21, 22 year old guy that has some, you know, pretty big headlines about some negativity about
the franchise that he plays for coming from himself and his father, you know, it was going to be a big
deal. And he could have just tried to avoid it. Instead, not only did he take it head on,
he acknowledged that it was all true. And not only does he not regret it, like, he's excited.
And if I was a Bears fan, there wasn't much to be excited for in 2024. I think we all acknowledge
it was an embarrassment of a season.
Led by Iber Fluse,
who was fired the day after Thanksgiving.
Anytime you're fired after the day after Thanksgiving,
tells you how bad things are going.
But part of what makes great quarterbacks
are not how fast they are
or how great their arm is.
It's how they handle shit.
It's their character, it's their focus,
it's the intangible stuff.
The best two quarterbacks of my adult life,
not even close.
I don't even know who would be the third guy would be.
Probably be Rogers.
Would be Manning and Brady.
Why?
Because of what they could handle off the field.
And that's a huge part of this crew of guys right now.
Mahomes,
Josh Allen,
Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow.
And Caleb clearly has a lot of the physical attributes.
But what separates guys is the intangibles.
And I was really impressed watching.
watching Caleb talk.
I remember a couple years ago
when the 49ers
signed Sam Darnold.
I went, I think
Trey Lance's
career here in San Francisco was done.
And you couldn't say that
because there was this internet contingent
of booger eaters that
thought Trey Lance was the next Lamar Jackson.
It turns out he's a
borderline average third string
quarterback, but
he was traded before week one going
into his third year.
But in that offseason, they had told you,
we don't even think he's a backup.
Now, they didn't say that.
They talked, we believe,
we think there's still something there.
But one thing as you get older,
you learn,
is words are kind of worthless.
Judge people by their actions,
especially professional sports teams,
because they will give you the runaround
and the propaganda machine.
These guys are good at it.
Coaches, players, general managers,
most of them now are pretty well versed in the ability of bullshit.
But I saw that Shane Steichen said that
we are going to split the reps evenly throughout OTAs,
give or take 170 snaps each for Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson.
And my first reaction went,
I think Anthony Richardson's career in Indy has a very good chance of ending.
because if I was a betting man sitting here May 29, 2025,
I would bet on Daniel Jones beating him out.
And I'm not pro-Daniel Jones.
Don't think he's good either.
But I've seen this song and dance before.
And I would imagine after last year,
everything they experienced with Anthony Richardson
in that moment when he quit on the team in the middle of a game
and clearly his teammates turned on him,
I went, I think this is probably over.
And then they gave Daniel Jones,
who I thought was like a three or four million dollar player,
$14 million to come compete, aka start for them.
So I would guess, as we sit here right now, that Daniel Jones won't only, he will win this
starting job for the Colts come week one, that they won't keep Anthony Richardson around
as the backup quarterback.
Because as we saw last year, his value as a backup quarterback, this guy's a project.
And I have no problem with what Chris Ballard did.
He took a swing for the fences.
But I say this all the time, because I am pro, you know, going for broke high in the draft with guys like this.
But sometimes when you do that, you strike gold.
You become a multimillionaire.
You get Patrick Mahomes.
You know, you get Jamar Chase.
You get whoever, a great player really high in the draft.
And those guys, you know, Jamar Chase wasn't a project.
But Mahomes was, it was risky.
And sometimes when you go for Broughamor Chase, you get him.
broke, you do go broke.
And that's what it feels like
the Anthony Richardson situation
is headed toward.
There was a boat incident
with Stefan Diggs,
Cardi B, and some
I think as the kids say it,
thoughts, tots,
influencers, strippers,
hookers,
a lot of chicks on a boat
that included some drugs.
Now, I'm not the moral
police here. I don't care
what you do for fun.
personally, not a huge upper guy.
I'm not a drug guy in general.
I don't know.
I like going to bed.
Much more of like a day hangout party guy,
maybe some cocktails by a pool,
lake, golf course than I am trying to stay up all night.
So can't totally relate to that.
But understand it.
Lived long enough in this world to know.
Some people like that stuff.
So I'd also not naive enough to think that
there are people in the NFL,
maybe guys that own the team that don't doubt,
in some booger sugar.
I did not know what a pink powder was when Stefan Diggs handed it.
We've seen a lot of different people on the internet, kind of break it down,
did a little mixture of a party cocktail for your nostrils.
Now, I think sometimes when you get on a boat as an NFL player,
things have not gone well historically.
And on a serious note,
I've talked a lot about, you know, how difficult it is.
and I've used Ben Johnson as an example
because he was an elite coordinator.
I mean, he's best coordinator in the league
for the last couple years.
But when something like this happened,
if it did happen with the Lions,
it was on the general manager and Dan Campbell to handle it.
It's not his problem.
When Jameson Williams had an issue
with a gun and pulled over with a brother,
that's Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes problem.
It's not Ben Johnson's problem.
So when this happens for Mike Vrable,
it's like,
he's been a head coach in the NFL for a long time.
There is no chance that he hasn't had drug issues with players before.
He knows how to handle it.
Whether he handles it correctly or not, time will tell.
You could argue why you even signed him in the first place,
but he has experience with this exact situation.
So I think when you look at this boat situation for the Patriots,
it's kind of funny, but also like, you know,
when you get a player like this who's dating,
Cardi B.
If I told you right now
that Cardi B was just dating
some other entertainer, actor,
rapper, whatever, and
was on a boat with a ton of other
stripper-looking chicks and
dude, and they were just
partying all day, would you imagine
drugs would be involved? I think the
answer would be yes. So really
just because it's digs and not
someone that fits some other
line of work, it's pretty
jarring to see if you are Mike
Frable and the Patriots Press
and if you're digs and his agent, it's like,
bro, let's keep our head on a swivel here
for the cameras.
But we have some recent memory or some
recent events. Obviously
the Odell Beckham situation.
Because if you're on a boat doing
stupid shit in the
middle of May, or the late
May, who really cares? One, he has
a torn ACL. He couldn't even practice if he wanted to.
He's not even going to be ready week one.
O'D Beckham and crew
went to a boat.
I had forgotten the exact date.
I was like, did they have a buy week?
I'm like, no, that was Tony Romo.
When he went with Jason Witten to Cancun,
which honestly isn't even that crazy.
He's definitely not the first
and won't be the last player
to go hang out for a couple days
as the number one seed during the buy.
Weird look, I guess,
if you're the starting quarterback
who's never had much success in the playoffs,
you're dating someone really famous
as he was, Jessica Simpson.
But, Odo Beckham,
because the season used to end
right around New York.
New Year's because it wasn't 17 games. It was only 16. So either the 31st, the first, the 30th,
right around there. So the New York Giants flew down to Miami on Monday of a playoff week. And they
proceeded, I'm pretty sure to get blown out like 40 to 10. They got destroyed. And he got
destroyed as well. But you can even argue, is that that crazy? It's like these guys all five
private. I don't know how long the private jet is from New York to Miami. A couple of hours.
two, three, three and a half, two, whatever.
But not that wild.
One event that gets lost in translation
that has never talked about anymore
is the love boat.
And sometimes I just miss pre-social media events
because I feel like they were actually way crazier
than anything that could happen now
because of a camera.
Like, if I was to defend Stefan Diggs,
you would have to be pretty,
pretty naive to think he's the only guy in the NFL in the off season that is dabbling in some
drugs, you know, anti-drugs here, but I'm also not dumb enough to think that some people are having
a good time with some things they probably shouldn't be and that aren't the healthiest thing
for them and can result in problems. But hell, young people, especially with money, tends to be
a rich guy drug. That's what cocaine is. And the love boat with the Minnesota,
of Vikings in 2005
is something we just do
not talk about enough
because the franchise
it was right post Randy Moss
Dante Cole Pepper
was very famous quarterback
Fred Smoot pretty sure it was one of the better
corners in the league. Brian McKinney
was a star left tackle and they had just a
solid team and
they chartered a boat with
other people so it was a bunch of
players, a bunch of hos
and just some random people.
and I had to Google the event because they got in big trouble
and I was like, what exactly happened on the love boat?
And then I read this article that said,
Eyewitness reports,
starting offensive lineman,
Bryant McKinney is charged with giving and receiving.
He's a giver.
Oral sex from an unidentified woman.
Fred Smoot, who is believed to have chartered the boat with another player,
was charged with using a sex toy on not one,
But two, unclothed women.
The witnesses say all the acts happened in view of the other passengers.
These cats were just having a massive orgy pre, I mean, 2005, I'm not even sure that we had cameras on cell phones.
This thing was like a vivid shoot in the Hollywood Hills, just out in the lake in Minnesota.
All these guys got in big trouble.
This also was during the season.
So while the step on did.
situation, funny. I do think to go party on a boat,
playoff game, then get your ass kicked, and have an orgy
mid-season on a boat, actually is a little bit crazier. So,
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on how to handle this.
And then last night, it's probably like, I don't know, 11.30, 12 o'clock.
I'm out like a light.
I've already popped a couple of melatonins deep sleep.
All of a sudden, I heard a scream from the bathroom.
And it was like, is there a mountain lion in our house?
What just happened?
And so I come, she's like, there's a scorpion.
We live in Arizona.
Right?
I got bobcats.
I got pigs.
I got coyotes.
you just ideally no mountain lions but they're not far away you got animals and creatures i've
never seen a scorpion since i've lived in arizona so i go i'm expecting to see a big ass one i mean
just like you know like a tarantula level scorpion get there things small it's like an inch
and a half but it's moving it's like saquin in the open field i'm like can you you know like a mosquito
or a bug you just squash like i don't feel comfortable squashing with my hand what if it stings me
and the little ones
again I'm not exactly dialed in
with all my venomous creatures
but I know like little ones
can they control their venom
it actually could be worse
I'm like I don't want to get stung by this thing
but it's moving and shake it
so you like run to the other room
you get like the swifter
so you can use the end to cry to poke it
yet it's moving she's freaking out
and then you finally kill a scorpion
but you realize these things that come along
in life that you're just taught
like the guy can handle it
and you're like
what am I supposed
How am I supposed to get this fucking three birds that have flown into my home out of this place?
Like, do you call someone?
It's one thing like you get rattlesnakes.
My neighbor got a rattlesnake in the backyard.
You can like call the, you know, kind of the HOA people.
They'll send someone right over and take it out.
Like pretty basic protocol.
And then there are things like you're just on a bike ride and all of a sudden you take a turn and a bobcat's right in front of you.
You're like, is this thing going to bite my leg?
Is it actually scared to me?
I don't know.
And you just kind of like got to figure it out on your own.
But before we get out of here, I do want to hit on one thing.
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You got some of the veteran guys staying.
But the majority of players
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There's a very laid back time of year.
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you're probably on the field truly practicing for like an hour and a half,
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You have every single year in the NFL, on average,
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Position coaches, have guys to their house,
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Most guys that have been in the league
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when they went to Texas,
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when they went to Washington,
when they went to Florida State,
whether it went well or not,
early on, they stayed
because that's what happened
in the history of college football.
Now, see ya.
You're not paying me enough?
I'm out.
And that creates a different type of
atmosphere. And I think in the NFL, the atmosphere of like, ideally you're going to be on this
team for a while. Now, we're going to have to pay you for it, but, and extend your contract one
day, but we want you here for a while. And we need to get to know you. And we need to spend
time together. And this is a great time when not much is going on where you can have people
over to your house, set up a barbecue, set up events, where everyone gets to hang out, maybe some
booze involved, and just get to know each other. And I think that's incumbent on all the good
to do stuff like that.
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Let's do a little thing we like to call the mailbag.
We did a big, big mailbag yesterday.
still got a million questions.
So I appreciate everyone
that interacts with this.
We will start with Harris,
just my Instagram.
You guys know the drill.
Let's say you're a GM.
Would you rather be in a position
where the talent on the team is great
and the quarterback is not up to the standards
of winning a championship
like Dallas,
Pittsburgh, or Miami?
Would you rather be in a position
where the quarterback is great
but the talent itself is subpar?
For example, like the team.
Chargers. Some could say the Bears. I think you could throw the bangles in there as well.
I would say you would, it's like the NBA version. Would you rather just have the star and then
figure it out? Or would you rather have like a really deep team but no star? I think you always choose
the star. Would I rather have Burrow or Herbert? Yeah, over the Cowboys. I wouldn't compare the
Cowboys to the Steelers.
I mean, they've, they won 12 games, three straight years, and Dack just kind of shit the
bed.
I mean, they did win one playoff game of the three.
But like, he's, Dak, he's still a top 12-ish quarterback.
Steelers don't have anybody.
I mean, it doesn't exist.
They do not have it.
We think Aaron Rogers, I just assume that.
But the dolphins to me are the worst spot because clearly their guy is like,
than functional. You can just win with him. But he gets injured and he's not good enough to beat
anyone actually good. So I would definitely choose the Chargers, definitely choose the Bengals. I mean,
look at the Chargers. They get Jim Harbaugh. Last year they went 11. This year it feels like they're
going to win double-digit be back in the playoffs. So I think you would always choose the
quarterback first. Because you could have a really good team and just like struggle to find a quarterback.
Do you think the BS holding on Bradbury and Super Bowl 57 is the difference being the Chiefs dynasty instead of the Eagles?
As a Dyerhard Byrds fan, that still bothers me.
Well, they've won three of five, and now you've won, so they would only have two and you would have two.
It would have been a pretty big moment.
I mean, Howie would have had three Super Bowls.
Siriani would have two.
Jalen Hurtswood had two.
Been a pretty big sliding doors moment in the NFL.
I typically hate tic-tac, tic-y-tac calls in general.
I do believe that pass interference is the one that like,
I mean, most of these plays,
I mean, obviously the famous one in the Saints Rams game
where the dude got taken out.
But I, yeah, I don't know.
I'd have to re-see the play.
I mean, you'd know better than me.
That feels like 10 years ago.
Something you said sparked a question.
With the media rights evolving and the shift towards streaming,
supposed Amazon offers the Big Ten
half a billion for broadcasting rights
and outbids a traditional partner like Fox.
What is to stop Fox from going directly to a powerhouse program
like Michigan or Ohio State and saying,
if you go independent,
will pay you $80 million each.
Instead of schools forming super conferences,
could we see more teams following a model like Notre Dame?
Well, Notre Dame clearly, I mean,
part of their pushback why they wouldn't join the Big Ten is they're making so much money off NBC.
And they're a great partner because their games rate on NBC,
whether they're playing Navy, Army, or NIU,
or whether they're playing A&M or SC.
Like, they do big, big numbers for NBC.
I think one of the worst mistakes I saw,
Fox gets excellent Big Ten game, mainly because they just, if Michigan's good or Ohio State's good,
they just show all their games.
And then when Penn State plays Michigan, when Penn State plays Ohio State.
So they just ride those two brands.
Where I saw the CBS, the game at, you know, for me it was always 1230 kickoff,
but if you live on the eastern seaboard 3.30, that Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, the SEC game,
Well, ESPN stole the SEC from them.
And now some of the games is like Purdue USC.
I think it was like Ohio State, San Jose State.
I mean, some of the games is like, this is what you guys are showing?
I saw someone tweet like, this is like Gary Danielson's quitting.
I do think the thing with college football is you bring up a good point.
Michigan, Ohio State are really like NFL teams.
If Michigan is good, Ohio State has been continuously good.
They do huge, huge television numbers.
I mean, massive.
A Michigan Penn State game will do a bigger number than any of the,
in fairness, Oklahoma City is a tiny market,
but I saw that the Oklahoma City Minnesota series was not highly rated,
which makes sense.
I mean, if it was Lakers Mavericks or Lakers Warriors,
I mean, it would triple the number.
But Ohio State is just a really, really valuable property.
I do think they're locked in for a while.
And Fox is a pretty good partner for the Big Ten.
It's been very lucrative.
I mean, for everybody involved,
the Big Ten's making a ton of money.
Fox is doing huge ratings.
But I would say big picture, everything's on the table.
I don't pretend to be like some genius when it comes to never say never.
If Fox got asked out in your hypothetical world,
I think you would be naive to think that they wouldn't,
if they were desperate to try to do something like that
and go after Ohio State.
I even think the number would be bigger.
I would imagine if you asked like the Murdoch family
and the people running the business of Fox,
Ohio State is probably worth $200 million.
Like they would have no problem
just doing a direct deal,
giving them $200 million a year.
Maybe that number's crazy.
Definitely well over 100.
You said 80.
I think it dwarfs that number.
Minimum double it.
I love the pod.
Keep me awake.
The question,
comes from a Seahawk fan
living in enemy territory.
I live in Northern California,
heart of 49er nation.
I'm curious to know,
your overall opinion on the Seahawks
moving on from Pete
in hiring a younger Mike McDonald.
And by not choosing to follow
the rest of the league
by hiring a young offensive guru
and instead,
sticking to their roots,
hiring a defensive guru.
I have mixed feelings myself
and tend to lean heavier
on an offensive coach.
But again,
as a Seahawk fan
after seeing arguably one of the best
if not the best defense in the NFL
during our Super Bowl run
what they did
did to quote unquote
the best offense in the game
I think he's talking to Denver
and just knowing in the division
we have Sean McVeigh is the right move
you are
like you're
if you're drafting one overall
and you need a quarterback
and there are no quarterbacks in the draft
what are you supposed to do
right
The Titans, would they have rather had Caleb Williams or Jaden Daniels than Cam Ward?
Sure.
But Cam Ward was in the draft that they were in and those two guys were not.
Would they rather have Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck?
My point is that if you fire your coach, the candidates are the candidates.
Right?
Like would John Schneider rather higher Kyle Shanhaner or Sean McVey than Mike McDonald's.
Of course he would.
Because there's way less risk.
It's like, well, I already know those guys can be head coaches.
And they coach offense, which is the most important thing to do.
But those guys aren't available.
Kevin O'Connell, the floor, all these guys had jobs.
And Ben Johnson last year wouldn't leave.
So Mike McDonald, if he had been an offensive coordinator, what he did in Baltimore,
he would have been discussed like Ben Johnson was this year.
And he was.
but it's just a little different because he's a defensive guy.
So I think, listen, anytime that you can get,
he was called Boy Genius in Baltimore.
I mean, the guy is really, really impressive.
Whenever I watch Mike McDonald talk,
he actually conducts himself in front of a microphone
closer to an offensive personality.
He's not like screaming F-bombs.
He's not your typical defensive coach.
so I like to hire
I think he's a really high-level guy
I thought he did a good job last year
I guess the only thing is
you know
eventually if they draft a quarterback
and I'm sure they're going to try
over the next couple years
or if Sam Darnold they invest a decent amount of money in him
you know Mike like Pete
can coach personality
can coach like
offensive philosophy and big
picture stuff. But like on a daily basis when it comes to footwork, when it comes to decision
making, when it comes to the execution of the offense, he's not really going to have anything
to do with that. And that's the overall pushback of like, at the end of the day, when you give
Brock Purdy a lot of money or Matt Stafford a lot of money or Jordan Love a lot of money, your head
coach is with that guy every single day. So sink or swim, he's right next to him in the pool.
where Mike, like his baby really is Witherspoon
and the defense and the pass rush and the coverage and the tackling.
That's what he does well. That's his expertise.
So in a perfect world, if I get them both,
Ben Johnson and Mike McDonald.
I think most people, including yourself, would just take Ben Johnson.
But they didn't really have that option.
And I think when you look at the coaches that were hired last year,
I think Mike was a no-brainer hire for them.
and a really, really good one.
Love the show.
Writing in a non-football question.
I have lived in the Upper Midwest my entire life.
When I tell people I'm from Minnesota,
they always ask, what's the weather?
Especially if they are from the south
or western part of the country.
I assume they think it's freezing most of the time.
But it's really not.
Meanwhile, I just looked at the temperature
in Scottsdale, Arizona,
and it's already 97 degrees.
At 1 o'clock in the afternoon.
In late May, that sounds awful to me, especially since it's going to be even hotter in July and August.
That, my friend, it will be.
In the winter, where I live, I can always put on an extra layer or two and be fine to go outside.
But you can only take off so many clothes when it's 110 degrees.
How are you not stuck inside during those unbearable summer months?
And why is the weather in Arizona considered to be better than the weather in Minnesota?
I think if you just
polled most people,
whether you're from Minnesota,
whether you're from
New Mexico,
Florida, Philly,
whatever.
Most human beings
do not like the cold.
And having lived here,
you know,
I lived in Philly for a couple years,
which was by far the coldest place
I'd ever lived for a long period of time.
But living in Arizona,
we get a lot of Midwest transplants.
So I get to meet and through golf,
I meet a ton of bear
fans. I've met a ton of Vikings fans,
Chiefs fans, like that, that stretch
of the country, they come here.
And I would say to a man.
And when you say put on an extra layer,
110 degrees hot,
no one would argue that.
And honestly, we had stretches last year when it was 115 degrees.
Where I grew up in Sacramento, California,
I grew up in Davis, but it's separated by Cosway.
It got 105 to 108 degrees.
I lived in Fresno. It was 110 degrees.
Like, it gets really hot in places in California.
Even when I lived in Walnut Creek, which is a suburb of the Bay Area,
it definitely got high 90s, maybe 100, 101.
Like, that's hot.
Cold sucks.
I would take the hot.
Now, 115 is pretty unbearable.
And like you said, you spend a lot of time inside.
Guess what?
They have air conditioning.
I do think when it's zero degrees, or again, I've never lived in the Midwest, really.
I stayed in Kansas City for a little bit, but I left in early December.
You know, obviously Chicago.
where you are in Minnesota, the Dakotas,
places that are freezing, Michigan.
I would think if we just polled most people,
the cold sucks.
You can do, I can play golf in 112.
You ain't doing dick in minus 10 degrees.
It's safe to drive when it's hot.
Is it safe to drive in a sleet storm?
So I can just speak for myself.
I hate the cold.
and maybe you hate the heat
and some people just are more comfortable in their environment
and I'm very comfortable as comfortable as you can be
like you said 115 degrees maybe don't go outside
right and you know it's why the smaller percentage of people around here that are rich
they just leave it's like where are you going leaving for the summer
it's like you're 48 years old don't you have a job
but you hear that a lot depending on what crew you're running with
and then some of us you're just stuck here
and you can try to play golf maybe
go to the gym, I don't know, you just do normal stuff.
But school's never been canceled because it's 112 degrees.
When I talk to people that are from your area, like, they cancel stuff when it's too cold too.
I don't know, step outside your house.
Because it's never too hot to actually step outside.
You're just going to be warm.
And here's the other thing I would say about where I live, and I've never lived in the South,
but I know we have people that listen to the show from wherever, Florida, Texas,
obviously Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina.
It's not humid here.
Now, when it's really hot, it feels thick.
But it's not, there is no humidity.
Like even when I was in New Orleans for the Super Bowl,
you're in early February.
You could feel it outside.
Like the air was thick.
It's not like that here.
So I'm not defending.
If you don't like heat, you don't like heat.
I hate cold.
I despise the cold.
I mean, I get cold anything under 60 degrees.
So I just think that you also
You get used to your surroundings
You know, I've grown up the majority of my life
In warmer weather clients, climates
It's why I always like speak to these quarterbacks
It's much easier
I'll never forget when I got hired with the Eagles
I owned one suit
I owned one suit
My dad had bought it for me
I think when I graduated college
I never even needed it when I went to get a job at Fresno State
but I remember coming back and he took me this place in Sacramento
I'd never been to a Taylor really
and he got me just like an Italian suit
you know and again it was probably I don't know
500 bucks which again was extremely nice and it was cool
I own this suit but I don't think I ever wore it
until I got hired in Philadelphia
and I remember maybe maybe buy it for me when I got the Eagles job
I forget but
I remember you wore a suit on game.
It's cool.
You're like official.
You're in the front office.
I'm working for the Eagles.
You wear a suit.
Problem is, you know, in training camp or a preseason game, it's, I mean, it's unbearably hot.
So you're just soaked.
Now, I guess you didn't have to wear a suit.
You just wear a button-up shirt.
But as the season goes on, you put on a suit, I remember showing up to our first, first cold game.
I just wore the suit.
And everyone else had like that extra long-ass thick coat.
I'm like, uh, what?
I was outside for maybe five minutes and I couldn't feel my body.
And this is just walking from the car to the field and standing there for five minutes.
And I had to go over to the heater and stood by the heater, which you got to be careful.
You get, you stay there too long.
It'll like, it'll burn a hole in your, in your pants.
But it's just, we're all wired differently.
Some of us like what we like, right?
I think it's no different.
Like we all got different taste buds.
We all got different, you know,
sexual preferences.
We all like our climate's a little different.
Though most people in my life,
I think prefer warmer over colder.
Quick question.
Do you see Kyle getting the 2000s Andy Reed treatment?
Always a bridesmaid on crazy talented team?
Until he moves onto a really solidified...
To really solidify his craft,
Andy to the Chiefs,
maybe Kyle to the question.
I hate to admit that being an item fan,
but it is what it is.
I think both guys are pretty similar that, you know,
Jimmy Garoppolo had some moments and Purdy's been good,
but you would never say those guys are as good as the top quarterbacks.
Now, Andy had Donovan, who was a pretty consistent pro bowler and a really talented player,
but no one ever thought Donovan was like as good as Peyton or Brady or,
I'm trying to think who would have been playing in the early to that, like Farv.
You know, he wasn't on the level.
You would take those other quarterbacks over him.
And then he got Alex and Michael Vick who had, you know,
these guys were talented guys.
And obviously Michael was really good the one year.
But Patrick Wilms is like one of the greatest quarterbacks of all the time.
And they just go to the Super Bowl every single year.
Right.
But before that, like he went to the Super Bowl once.
And he lost to Tom Brady, which really isn't that weird.
Right.
Kyle has gone to the Super Bowl twice with Purdy and with Jimmy and he lost to Patrick
Mahomes.
when you say that out loud, it's not even that weird.
Like Andy Reid in 2000, whatever, four or five,
lost to Belichick and Brady.
Not really that bad of a loss.
Kyle Shanan has gone to the Super Bowl and lost to Andy Reed and Patrick Moms.
Howie Siriani and Jalen Hertz lost to him too.
It happens.
So I think if Purdy is going to be above average and a good player,
but never like a superstar, your margin for error is really small.
The Chief's margin for error is a little higher.
No different that even like the Ravens and the bills.
Just to be in the playoffs every year.
Their margin for errors higher because their quarterbacks are superstars.
And to me a lot, if Purdy can become a consistent pro bowler,
then they're going to be really good.
And it's just going to come down to an individual game playing at a high level.
But if he's up and down, it could be all over the place.
They can get weird.
Last fall, I created an Instagram account for myself and to interact with a mailbag.
Anyway, tried interacting several times, but only got on the scene status once.
Basically, wanted to make sure you don't think it's spam account since there are no posts and I only follow one person.
Maybe I just suck at the timing.
In fairness to anyone that's tried this and hasn't been answered, this is not a buttoned up process in the sense of like Instagram can be all over the place.
Stuff gets deleted, stuff gets misplaced.
It's not like an Excel spreadsheet where everything is like evenly,
organized and it's very
very straightforward.
It's, I like doing this because I think it's an organic
way. You guys follow me on Instagram.
It's just an easy way to interact.
But it'd probably be easier if we had an email account
to mess with everything.
But I'm not going to change at this point in time.
Anyway, I do have a Fugazi Friday for you.
Amazon streaming services.
We pay them a monthly fee,
but yet every good movie in their catalog costs
399 to rent.
If I have to pay to rent the movie
or a show I want to watch
what on earth is the monthly fee for?
Clearly Amazon has the movie or show
in their catalog,
but now I have to pay extra to see it.
I think it's a total scam.
Obviously, Amazon isn't going anywhere
and I'm going to stop using it,
and I'm not going to stop using it, but it still annoys me.
I can't speak to the business model.
I do wonder if a movie that they charge you
like let's say I want to watch
Good fellas
Let's just say
Or dumb and dumber
Or just some hit movie from my childhood
And sometimes when I look
And all the streaming services
If it's not on Netflix or any of the free services
It'll be on a place like Amazon
And they'll charge me
And I do wonder in that situation
They have to pay
Whoever has the rights to them
it's not necessarily under a...
could be wrong.
I don't work in this industry.
I'm not quite sure all the logistics of it,
but I would guess there's some element of that
because no one complains,
let's just say, Mission Impossible,
or whatever the hit movie is is out.
We know in a couple months
that is going to be available
on Amazon Prime to rent.
I don't know about you,
but like when I rent a movie,
I typically do it through Amazon Prime.
Not like in your scenario,
but just in the scenario
that I want to watch Mission Impossible in a month.
I've done that with probably 20 movies in the last year, rented a movie.
But I don't feel as bad because it's like the equivalent of going to the DVD store or the movie store back in the day.
Because I know it's relatively new.
I've always wondered when they're charging me for a movie that's like 20, 25, 30, 40 years old,
is there some sort of like they have to pay someone and they don't want to eat those costs?
Because you would say typically Amazon historically has been good at like eating a bunch of costs for us.
but I don't know
I don't view it as much as a Fugazi
because I think there's some business element
of the deal
I don't think they're just pocketing that $3.99
I think there's a cost on them
would be my educated guess
of just a consumer.
I did probably in the last month
I don't want to say talk shit
I just
I thought Tom Hardy I didn't quite get it
I have watched Mobland
I do think it's pretty good
I've kind of enjoyed the show
and I
he's pretty good
I mean he's he's an enjoyable character
maybe is like
I don't know
in previous movies
or shows
something about him
but I've I've really really liked him
I actually think he is
he makes the movie
the show
because Pierce Brosnan
I don't want to say he's over the hill
but he's kind of got some like
uh
it feels like a guy that's been a five-time all-star that's 40 years old that's playing for
some awful team it's like god this is sad to see that's how his vibes are kind of given me
there are a lot of other good characters in the show it does have its cheesy moments and
unrealistic moments which sometimes if I go into an action movie or a show I'm cool with
I can live with like I've said all the time I don't really do like dungeons and dragons
That's why I didn't do
What was the hit show with the dragons
It wasn't really for me
Not because Game of Thrones
Not because I watched it because I knew it was
Big culturally and I wanted to kind of
I got a little fomo
But those type things don't do much for me
Now I think this stuff
Is more realistic
Even though I know that it's probably not
Quite happening like this
But you give me Tom Hardy
Who stole a show
He was
He was really good
So I take it back.
All-Star performance by my man.
And Pierce Brosnan, you know, once, you know,
for us guys that grew up on Nintendo 64 and the James Bond video game,
Golden Eye, which I would say non-sports would be,
it have to be on the top 10 list of video games of all time.
I'd have to do some serious thinking on that one.
But I think non-like arcade game,
but like a
it's definitely one of the best
might be the best
Nintendo 64
that are like Mario Kart
and Pierce Brosnan
was Jebel O7
James Bond
he was good in it
this version of them
I don't know
some guys age well
as actors
and some guys
don't as well
and maybe part of it
he's trying to cheesing it up
but I thought it's like
I don't know
not really buying it
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