The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - NFL trades vs. NBA trades, Chip Kelly goes to the Raiders, Cam Newton on his MVP

Episode Date: February 3, 2025

John dives into the NBA trade between the Lakers and Mavs and the reason why we rarely see trades of that magnitude in the NFL. Later, John talks about the Raiders hiring Chip Kelly as their OC and gives his opinion on if he thinks this will be a good hire or not. Next, John discusses Cam Newton's comments on if he would trade his MVP for a Super Bowl. Lastly, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 5:30 - NFL Trades vs. NBA Trades 27:13 - Chip Kelly back in the NFL 31:14 - Cam Newton on his MVP 41:47 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And obviously, if you were awake on Saturday night, as I was, I was actually in bed when my phone blew up. And I grabbed the iPad that was probably 10 feet away from me. And I just started scrolling. I was like, this is insane. And the NBA trade that still as I'm recording this little under 24 hours later is just something, if you like sports, and I don't follow the NBA nearly as closely as I once did. Same thing for baseball. I used to watch the Giants play every single night.

I watched probably five or six straight years. Every game the Warriors played. And for most of my life, I watched NBA games Tuesdays, Thursdays on the weekend. I just don't consume the product the same. Now, I still follow the stories and I'm a sucker for transactions. And I think the best part about like the one thing, the experience I had working in football and now doing this is I know like the conversations are the same. when you work in a building for a team,

you're BSing about potential trades and potential moves and potential guys on your team. Is this guy the right fit? Is this guy a good guy? Is this someone to build around? Like the business of pro sports is, do you want to get into business with this guy for $200 million? Do you want to get into business with this guy for $100 million?

That's what companies all around America talk about all the time. Do we want to acquire this? Well, what's the cost? And in pro sports, you're just dealing with human beings. and in the NBA, a guy like Lucas, $350 million. In the NFL, a guy like Brock Purdy, potentially $200 million. So if you are not having serious, long conversations about everything that goes into this,

you're not doing your job. And sometimes as a fan is a little more on the surface. And like, it was impossible to not have some thoughts and takes when something like that happens. But you're constantly discussing that on the inside. And the difference is, if you're a GM or a coach, is like, you can talk to other people that have decision-making power and run some things by them. Like, would you be interested in this? It's about to happen at the combine in a month.

The amount of conversations that go down at the combine would blow people socks off of things that never get done. And a lot of players that they found out like, damn, you threw my name out there? Yeah, most names are thrown out there. There is probably under five definitely less than 10% of players that never get thrown around. And honestly, the number's probably under five. most players at times just get disgust. It could just be over coffee. It could be over a cocktail.

It could be over a stake with a fellow GM, with a fellow coach, with a fellow decision maker. And I think, you know, moves in sports really define your career as someone in the front office. And obviously, this move for the Dallas Mavericks and their guy, Nico, is going to define his career. If Luca, like he thinks, is going to stay fat and injured, he'll look like a genius.

right, especially if he goes on to continue to have success. If Luca keeps maintaining what he's been doing and the Lakers do what the Lakers do, win a lot, which pains me to say it, he's going to look like a moron. And I think when you look at these two NFL teams in the Super Bowl, like it's not random they're here. And it's not by accident. And it also wasn't by like without taking some massive, massive swings. I think we take for granted these two quarterbacks,

especially Patrick because he's been starting for so long, how we got here. Like, think about the Cowboys. Not all the stuff going on with Jerry and the coach. I'm just, they're quarterback, Dak Prescott. It is easy to just sustain with Dak Prescott. You can just do it over and over and over again. And listen, we'll criticize, be like,

ah, you probably, it's like, more often not, if you do a decent job building your team, you're going to compete for a playoff spot and make the playoffs a lot. But we know you're not. you're not winning anything in the playoffs. And the Chiefs, who had a very, very consistent player, who had a very high floor,

but a pretty low ceiling, were just good every single year. They were rattling off playoff bursts. I think, was it five out of six or four out of five of the years with Alex Smith? They made the playoffs. The only won one playoff game. Look at the Cowboys.

Only won one playoff game with Dak Prescott over the last however many years. But it's like, hey, we're just, we're going to the playoffs. every year. And even the year that they traded up for Patrick Mahomes, they had made the playoffs the previous year. It's why they had to trade up so far. It's not like they were some shitty team. Like, that took some balls. I think it's easy to go, of course they did that. What if that didn't work? What if that thing blew up in their face? Because I'll give you an example of one where it did.

Trey Lance, the 49ers had something. It was just kind of working with Jimmy Garoppolo. I would say Alex was a better player, but it was like every year you were competitive, you were making the playoffs. Hell, Jimmy, like, took a team to Super Bowl. And they took a huge swing and it blew up in their face. Somehow the football guys just, God's handed him Brock Purdy. Look at the Chiefs. They went, you know, Tyree Kill, who's one of the greatest wide receivers of all time, we're winning with him at a super high clip.

He's uncoverable. Like, yeah, we're going to punt on this guy. We're just going to punt. He was like, are you sure he? Andy? Are you sure? I mean, that took balls. That took freaking stones. You know, so when you look at the Chiefs, you just got, well, Andy's one of the greatest coaches ever, Veech is a really good evaluate. They have made a couple moves along the way. Two specific ones, the transition to Alex, and then obviously punting on Tyree Kill, that took some big gahonas. And I would say the same

thing about Howie. We've touched on this over the last couple weeks. It's easy to say now, like Jalen fell riding in their lap. Now he gets credit because he had a high pick even though his team was good because of all those trades he had made the previous year and I think he made one with the Saints. But like, that was a balzy pick. Just like it's easy to go after the fact

well it's like, God, everyone should have known Warren Sapp was going to be an all-time grade. Just like, God, Randy Moss, no-brainer. A lot of teams had major red flags on those guys. So it's easy to go after the fact. We're like, damn. They got this guy who picked 12 with pick 24, It's like, yeah, they got him there for a reason.

And Jalen Carter was easily the best player in the draft. Easily. So it's easy to go. And listen, I'm guilty of this too. Like the Falcons, man, they really fucked up. They should have pulled the trigger on them. Well, it's like, I bet they were terrified to draft them. Hell, the Eagles probably were, I mean, a little scared.

And they took a pretty big flyer on the guy. Now they felt good about their infrastructure, but like this could have blown up in their face. Instead, they have one of the best defensive players. players on their roster. And a lot like Patrick Mahomes, I guess it's a little different because Alex was much more consistent, but like they drafted Carson Wentz really, really high. And then they paid him a lot of money. And then it got weird. And they didn't hesitate to punt. But when they punted and they traded him to the first round pick, which sounds crazy now to the Colts,

pretty ballsy going with Jalen. That wasn't just some no-brainer like this thing is going to work out. I was wrong. I thought he was a running back. And listen, we can nitpick them all. we want. That wasn't just the right move. They've clearly got one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL and a guy they've proven they can win with. So it's like these two teams are here and everyone goes, well, really good, you know, really good coaching staffs and obviously Andy's an all-time great. Howie's one of the best general managers. It's just like they got a ton of talent. Like, yeah, how did they do this? Like, how did they get there? Like, listen, you're going to call me a Laker hater. They just benefit they're the fucking Lakers.

and people just want to go there. And for whatever reason, they're like, we'll just take Anthony Davis, who's 31 also gets injured all the time for your 25-year-old five-time, straight, all-NBA, first team. It's like, what? What?

That's the easiest trade you're ever going to make for the Lakers. There has never been a trade for such a great player that has been an easier yes than the one the Lakers said. That is not the case with when they pulled the trigger for Jalen Carter, or when they made the trade for Patrick McHen. Holmes. And listen, clearly they nailed that one. And Veach had a lot of conviction and Andy and those guys liked him a lot. They don't guarantee. You're trading all the way up here. You're going to have Alex

Smith and then you're going to punt on him after the year. And even the year they punted on him, even the year they punted on him, like he just had the best year of his career. Based on one game and practice, like I think it's always easy and people do this a lot in business like, well, if I would have known, you know, after the 2008 crash that Holmes were going to go up as much as they did, I would have, I wish I would have done. I wish I would have bought like three pieces of property. Yeah, some people just did it. You know, it's like,

God, if I would have known Navidio would have gone up by 100x, I wish I would. Well, some people did. And some people actually put their capital. And some people did put their risk on the table. And it's like,

that's what these guys do. And Andy has a long history of this. Howie, these guys love risk. And they take big swings. And they've hit on. You know, Nico Harrison can pray to God that he hits on like this half as well.

as they did on theirs. And the other thing is to the Luca trade is there's a lot of stuff coming out about Luca being fat, that this year he played at 270 pounds. I actually watched more basketball the last on Friday and Saturday night than I probably have, beside Clay's return to the Warriors, most of the year. I watched the fourth quarter of the Denver Sixers game on Friday night, and then I watched the second half of the Laker Knicks game. And you look at Yokic, who's easily, I mean, I think there's a wide gap, the best player in the NBA. He's kind of fat. But you know what?

It doesn't matter. He dominates. Kind of fat might be strong. He's just not shredded. He doesn't look like your typical great NBA player. Right? He doesn't have muscle definition. But I watch him do whatever he wants on anyone.

Now, the thing with Luca is like, clearly they have concerns about his durability because of his weight. And this is what we talked about. when you invest hundreds of millions of dollars into someone. And in the NFL, it's quarterbacks. The last thing I ever want to worry about is anything with you off the field. So when it comes to character, how you live your life, how you treat people who you're married to, who you're dating, how you just operate outside the facility matters to me.

I better have 100% never worry about you vibes. And then all the intangible stuff when it comes to football, you better check every fucking box, work ethics, study habits, drive, whatever it takes. I'll never forget when I saw Veach. I went to the, many of you probably weren't listening, but I went to the 2020 Super Bowl week in Miami. It was Chief Snyders. And I had Veach on the show. I went to where they were staying.

And me and Veech were BS in a little bit. And it was right, that was the offseason where they were going to pay Patrick. And he was telling me, like, after they had won the AFC championship game, which was his first win. He's like, I get in the office the next day. Obviously, you know, it's their first Super Bowl appearance, him and Andy together. And I got there like 615 and Mahomes is already there watching the tape

on his iPad and the training room. Like I don't think he gets enough credit for like the work ethic, football drive, study habits, like it's elite. He's not doing this by accident. Like think Manning, think Brady, think Breeze. That's him, you know? And I think when you look at the other, other couple top guys, Alan and Lamar, there aren't any question marks with those guys.

No one goes, I wonder how seriously this guy takes football. If you watch the hard knocks with Baltimore, John Harbaugh, I think was it the Steeler game or might have been the second week for the Bill's game. One of their first two weeks, they were going to practice inside. And sometimes cold weather teams, they're used to the cold, so they're not worried about playing outside. They want to practice inside to get stuff done. You're just able to be so much more efficient.

inside, you know your guys can play in outdoors. And Lamar, like, raise his hand or looks at John, like, no, I want to, let's put practice outside. I want to feel it. I want everyone to feel it. Like, their football character is elite. And I think, you know, you look at Zion. He's fat and lazy.

Doesn't even like basketball, which to me, the NBA has this broken business model, because you get paid no matter what when you're a high pick guy and you show any signs of life, no matter what happens. In the NFL, that's not what happens. That is not what happens at all. I've seen a lot of people go on rants. I saw Colin had one about brawny, but just how the NBA can be unsurious sometimes. Right? Like, Luca deserves huge contracts. Yokic, Janus, LeBron, Steph. And then there guys like, Zion? He got what? He's getting, how much he getting paid? Like, what are we doing? and I think in the NFL for you to get paid, you got to produce. And you also got to be a good guy.

And you also got to be a football junkie. It's pretty rare. And listen, I know more guys on good teams than I do bad teams. But I would say a pretty consistent theme of all the successful squads, they pay guys who are football addicts. And I think we're pretty lucky. And I've said this for a long time. I can't even imagine being 25, 26.

and someone giving you hundreds of millions of dollars. The maturity that all these guys shows. Think how good you feel if you're a Bengal fan, how much he gives a fuck. You know he will, the season was going, it couldn't have been going any worse early on. Like,

this guy's laying on the line for me. And he's not just doing it like randomly. He's approaching it like every game's the Super Bowl. And like, listen, I don't think they're right on trading this guy because they have concerns about he's fat. He's 25 years old. But like there are none of the concerns,

If he's a top two or three player in the NBA, that's essentially Mahomes, Alan, Lamar, Joe Burrell. There aren't concerns with any of those guys in terms of their conditioning, how much they like it, how hard they play. The other knock, he plays no defense. It's a fact. Does it play any defense? Right now, in football, when you play quarterback or you play linebacker,

you don't play offense or you don't play defense, but still, like, you either give it all or you don't. And I think the NFL is very, very lucky. did the cream of their crop at quarterback. And honestly, even the second and third tier guys, pretty high-level guys. When you look at the Jared Goss, look at Jalen Hertz. We can nitpick them sometimes, like, you know, not great from within the pocket. And that's a fair criticism.

No one has ever said, you know what, Jalen? He just, I don't know if he's into football. I don't know if he's working out hard enough. I don't know if he's preparing well enough. The only criticism I've ever heard is like, you know, we'd like him to be a little more vocal, right? Yell at guys, but it wasn't because, you know, he doesn't know what's going on. The Jared Goffs, the Dax, even the Tours, you know, Purdy's about to get paid.

Trevor Lawrence, like, listen, some guys might be better than others, but no one, that's a thing with Trevor Lawrence, like, how much does he like it? And I think it's kind of fair, because you watch him, you know, I watch the NFL and you go, this guy giving me everything he has. So then you watch him, you're like, I don't know, does he love it? I think it's a fair criticism. The other great part about the NFL is when you like the bills,

even if you never win a Super Bowl with Josh Allen, you know that Josh Allen's going to be your quarterback, no matter what. Even if you never win a Super Bowl with Lamar Jackson, you know what? You know Lamar Jackson is going to be on the team for as long as essentially you want him on the team, especially in the prime of his career.

When you think about how often elite quarterbacks get traded in their prime, never happens. Think about Aaron Rogers, one of the greatest players of all time. I've got traded like 38, 39 years old. We thought the Russell Wilson trade was crazy. It turns out like, his prime was over. It was done. Deshawn Watson, traded for a reason.

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The other story today I saw when I was shopping for wedding rings. It's like, I got her a wedding ring, and then she also needs a wedding band. And I need a wedding band. It's like, this is Everend. So I guess I got to start wearing a ring around here in a month. But someone texts me while I was shopping for the old ring. Hey, Chip Kelly. Chip Kelly, what?

Chip Kelly is the new offensive coordinator for the Las Vegas Raiders. Now, he also interviewed with the Raiders in 2024 for Antonio Pierce. And that was at the time when he was interviewing everywhere trying to jump ship and get away from UCLA. I have two reactions on this. One, isn't that kind of sad what has happened to one of the most famous coaches of the last 25 years? When you look at other guys who have been discussed like him, Nick Sabin, Kirby Smart, you know, Lane Kiffin, Lincoln Riley even, but even NFL coaches, right?

They don't just become coordinators and then just start bouncing around. It's a little bizarre. And at one point in time, and I've worked for the Eagles, there was not a bigger star in the coaching world. There really was not. And for what's happened to his career,

then he goes to UCLA, and he just hates it. And listen, he's got a lot of friends in the media, and they're all like, it's a shitty job, it's tough to deal with. Yeah, it's not perfect. it ain't Ohio State.

But then he leaves to go to Ohio State, and you're like, oh, that's his guy. And he just leaves again to go to the Raiders. At least when you went to Ohio State, you go, well, he's getting $2.5 million. They recruit by far the best players in the country. And they basically said, Chip, you don't need to recruit. It's like pretty good gig. You go to the Raiders? It's like, well, they got no quarterback.

Their offensive line sucks. They have no wide receivers. And they got one good tight end. it's like this is this is what you're going to do like you really just hate recruiting that much because this does not seem like a good situation for you I also think this is a little weird

right it's one thing when you take a step down like he did from UCLA to go to Ryan Day that was a guy that he coached when he was at New Hampshire that was a guy who worked for him in Philly and in San Francisco like they have like a father son bond so it was gonna work I don't mean on the field I just mean personalities now he's going to go to Pete Carroll who listen isn't like

Mike Vrable Belichick yelling at you much more of an upy guy but still like big ego well Chip's got a massive ego too feels like a little bit of a weird fit and in theory like what does Pete Carroll want to do run the ball that's what he wants to do run the ball and that's what in theory Chip likes to do too but you're not going to run the ball with this operation I'm pretty sure the Raiders last year were one of the worst running teams like the history of the NFL.

I think it's just kind of sad what, you know, the way his career has gone relative to the rest of his peers. He's kind of turned into like an NBA player just bouncing around. It's like, what are we doing here? So I think the hires just weird.

I really do. And I'm pro Pete Carroll. And I'm pro John Spitech. I think it was smart to bring back Patrick Graham who's, you know, good defensive coordinator. This one, I'm sorry. I just think, and it's not like,

middle game, you just hate the guy. I don't give a fuck. I don't care. I'm just saying, like, he would not have been my hire. Like, his shit ain't working in the NFL. It didn't work in the NFL's last couple years. And you're going to play Spagnola.

You're going to play Jim Harbaugh's defense. And you're going to play that Denver defense. And I get it. You're like, we want to modernize our offense. And what, get throttled. So I give the Raiders a lot of credit for their two Maine hires. This one, a little off the beaten path, don't think it makes much sense. Cam Newton.

You know, Cam Newton said some comments, if you missed him, that he would, wouldn't trade his MVP for a Super Bowl title. And let me just say this before I get into my opinion on his comment. I do believe, if you ask Cam Newton, and I attended his Super Bowl when it was at Levi Stadium in the Bay Area. I went. I had a lot of money on the, on the Broncos that game. It's one of the biggest bets I'd ever made. still to this day. It was large. And part of it wasn't Cam Newton. I had been doing Raider games.

I had seen that Denver team for like three straight years. Their defense was so fucking good. I understood Peyton Manning couldn't throw. But it was like, and listen, it wasn't a bet against Cam. It was more just like, I don't think they should be an underdog. And obviously their defense won the game. But I do believe if you would ask Cam Newton the week of the Super Bowl or the night before the Super Bowl, especially I think you win the MVP the night before the Super Bowl.

would you trade the MVP for a win tomorrow? I think he would have said yes. I could be wrong, but I believe that any player, if you said that to him, the night before the Super Bowl, who they had just won the MVP, Matt Ryan, you go back to all the guys that have won MVPs and then not won the Super Bowl,

they would trade it. I think Aaron Rogers would trade his MVP for Super Bowl. I think anyone at the time. Now, I think after the fact, I don't think this is that complicated. You know, if you think about the Super Bowl for Cam Newton, It has a negative connotation. He didn't just get viewed as like having a bad game,

but when people bring up that moment, it's the lowest moment of his career. He's literally made fun of because of it. He wouldn't jump on the ball. And former players bring that up to him. Yet everywhere he goes and everywhere he has gone over the course of his life since 2017, he has introduced former N.

NFL MVP, former Heisman Trophy winner and national champion, Cam Newton. Yet if I bring out Joe Montana or Troy Aikman or Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or Aaron Rogers, I would go, this is Aaron Rogers, Super Bowl champion and four-time MVP. This is Peyton Manning, two-time Super Bowl champion, five-time MVP or however many you want. That's how you're introduced as a player. when you go to events, when you go to speaking events, when you go to when he goes to Auburn to events, to fundraise, whatever. When he's at doing Radio Row for the, during media week,

or during Super Bowl week for the media. So the MVP to him has a positive connotation. It's a positive thing. The Super Bowl is a negative thing. Like I think it's kind of a unique circumstance because I saw everyone, and rightfully so, like, no shit, Cam Newton said that. 100% Cam Newton said that.

My take was, like, I was there. It was pretty bad. That game is in a weird way because it's so hard just to get there, like the lowest moment of his career. Like, he lost random games throughout his career that no one ever talks about, thinks about, or even watch.

They don't matter. But when you bring up Cam Newton, I would say most people think about, not jumping on the fumble, in the Super Bowl. Now, I'd have to go back and look at what the score was at the time. I haven't been there. And I had a few cocktails.

Never thought they were going to win as the game was going. They were just kind of overwhelmed, even as Peyton, you know, after the first couple drives, could not throw. But like, if you were Cam, the MVP isn't just your most prize possession. It's literally your defining moment as a professional football player. Making the Super Bowl just was not. And it definitely isn't discussed like that. you know, for a long time, I was insecure about when I, when I introduce, and listen, I play golf to where I meet the most random, you know, people.

Like when I do this for a living and I'm talking to other people inside this business, they all know what you do. But when I'm on a golf course, I meet someone for the first time. Eventually, what comes up? What do you do? And you're playing golf with somebody that's like, yeah, I work at Wells Fargo. Yeah, you know, I work for this insurance company. Yeah, I own, you know, string of restaurants. What do you do? I used to always be, is weird. I would be like, you know, I used to work in radio. And I used to always kind of start it off that way because I was insecure about saying I was a podcaster. And I remember one night, Maria's like, why don't you just, why are you so weird about this?

Just say what you do, what you do for your podcaster. Right? It's going pretty well. And so for the last probably year, I just, when that, I am a podcaster. And it just starts actually pretty interesting conversation sometimes. But like when you are introduced or when that's your defining. moment. He is defined internally, like, that's a good thing. Cam Newton, MVP. That's a positive thing. So it's easy for all these other guys to say, like, even Charles Barkley, and I hear him come up

a lot. Like, he would have given anything for the 93 MVP to win that finals against Michael Jordan. That finals against Michael Jordan is a positive thing for Charles. He was fucking unreal. He was known also in the dream team, second best player in the dream team. So like everything surrounding his MVP is like, I was at the highest level and I went toe to toe. Cam got to the highest level in the pros and it was like not the same. He had a bad night.

It wasn't very good. And then like didn't jump on the fumble. So listen, everyone's shitting on him for it. I understand. Like when you're insecure about something, you kind of want to avoid it. And like it's,

I just think people think he's selfish because of this. I think we're all kind of selfish. We really are. And I think it's, easy for a lot of guys to say. Now, where I disagree with him, and he's trying to justify it when he goes, well, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl.

Well, yeah, Cam, if you would have won that Super Bowl, you would have been like, I don't know how many guys have won the MVP in a Super Bowl in the same year. Probably a pretty special category. Guys like Montana, Manning, but, you know, Brady, Farv. Like, it's a short list of pretty sweet dudes. So it would have been a big deal.

He tries to justify it because he's not dumb. He knows it's going to sound stupid, but I do get where he's coming from. I really do. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas.

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Question for the bag. Do you think it's a coincidence that the NBA gets a massive trade Sunday, before the Super Bowl. Seems like a pretty good marketing tactic for the NBA to gain some steam once the NFL season ends. Your thoughts. Well, if I was going to be a conspiracy theorist, I would say this. The Lakers with LeBron at 40 years old were going to be in trouble within the next couple years. And if I ran the NBA, if I was Adam Silver, and let's face it, the NBA is always done some shady shit. And I don't blame them.

They're in the business to make the most money possible. Now it's much more complicated with gambling legal. But I don't know how that gets to forcing teams to trade people. Listen, I don't necessarily think like Adam Silver made this happen. But if he did, it'd be the greatest movie he's ever made as a commission. To get one of the best players in the NBA to one of your marquee franchises. And when would you want to do it? You'd want to do it right now.

Now, their trade deadline is during Super Bowl week. So I think some would say, like, it's not a good idea to do it during Super Bowl week. But it usually gets lost in the shuffle, like Wednesday or Thursday, doing it right now. Better idea. I just think when you look at people are going to say I'm a Laker hater. I am. I hate the Lakers. They're the only team.

The truth is like, I don't like Ohio State. I don't care that much. I don't even have a problem with the Dodgers, and I'm a diehard Giants fan. I kind of appreciate what they're doing. When it comes to Lakers, there's something about that feeling. Even at 40 years old, I get like I'm still 15,

and there's an envy, there's a hatred. I just don't like them. And I appreciate still having that feeling. You know, usually I have to create it or manipulate it by gambling. Once I gamble against you, I hate you. But other than that, like even my takes, I'm not Stephen A. or Skip Bayliss. Like, I'll change my take if it's not right.

I don't care that much. But this is a team that how... I get they landed LeBron because he wanted to move to L.A. This one, though, he's got handed Luca for Anthony Davis, who's 31 years old. Feels like the league somehow was... I don't know. Could you convince me?

Yes, 100%. Does it seem a little shady? 100%. You couldn't make this trade in a simulator. In what world do you just go, yeah, we're trading, I don't know, the best player in the history of the franchise. Definitely, I know Dirk had a much longer career. Dirk didn't have five straight all-NBAs from 20 to 25 years old.

Again, we're just going to trade him for a guy 31 years old. Great player, but, you know, it gets injured a lot too. Like what else are you going to get, like seven first round picks, like three other players? No, just like one other player and one other pick. Yeah, we're good. not really shopping them. Wait, you're not, you're not going to shop them? No, it doesn't really add up. Like, when you add up, like, you have one of the great players, not just in the league,

but like his entry to the sport is like LeBron-like. So you're just going to trade him for what? The biggest haul in the history of the sport? No, not really. Not even close, actually. If I would have told you, you wouldn't believe, like, this is crazy. But the Lakers, you know, get another marquee player. to what they do. Probably why I'm jealous. Kings just traded theirs. Mailback question.

Fan of the show. As you mentioned in the previous show, most general managers and head coaches have a general idea of how to build the team. At least they speak like they do. If they know how to build, why do half of them choose to not build the teams

according to that philosophy? Does a major draft bust or owner pressure the picks, negatively affecting their performance? Well, only the GEOPLE. GMs and head coaches, I think, really know that. If you're in the draft room, most owners, I don't think are like forcing your hand if they're not like Dan Snyder.

But I do think there is a lot of closed-door meetings with either the owner, his president, his right-hand man, the coach and the GM. And I think there are, like, I want Travis Hunter. It's like, coach, we should take an offensive tackle here. I want Travis Hunter. Because let's use Travis Hunter as an example. he is a fantastic talent. I mean, he's one of the most honestly unique talents

we've ever seen in the history of sports. It's like, wait, you play both ways? It's like, yeah, I'm a lead at both. I'm a lockdown corner to be the number one corner in the draft and I'm clearly one of the best wide receivers in the draft. And I was the number one high school recruit. I'm a blue chip, blue chipper who can play both ways. It's unheard of.

It really is. Because even some of the guys, you know, in college that have done both, They had a limited role. But you'd go wide receiver corner, very important positions. And I got no problem taking either one of the, you know, those positions high. Like, you take a Julio, you take, you know, a Stingley, a sauce garden, or Patrick Peterson, whoever, you know, the elite guys. But you'd always take a tackle.

Like, I need a tackle. I need a wide receiver. I need a corner. You would take the tackle before them. Yet Travis Hunter is going to go before tackles. Now, if there is not a tackle. at his level, do you just take the good player? It's like no one ever

apologized for drafting Dion. I'm not saying this guy's going to be Dion, but I think it's hard because you get there, you go, well, the best player on our board, the best player on our board is Malik Neighbors, right? But we need other positions.

It's like Malik Neighbors can have I think like a historical season. Didn't he have like 100 plus catches? And the Giants couldn't have been any worse because it doesn't really matter. And I'm not anti-taking Malik neighbors, but it's easy to say, O-line, D-line, O-line, D-line. And then all these teams end up drafting corners and wide receivers. It happens all the time.

It's like Austin Gentie. Let's look at that. We need a good running back. When I see people like, the Dallas Cowboys should take Austin Genty at 12. If I was a cowboy fan and we took Austin Genty at 12, he's a great player. Don't get me wrong. I am pro drafting running backs. But this individual draft has great running backs.

So I don't know, take a position you need. Take a defensive lineman. Last time I checked, your defensive tackles sucked. So is Ashton Genti and immediately plug and play starter for your team? 100%. But do you have a huge need at the line of scrimmage, which I don't know is kind of more important? Use one of your second day picks on one of these running backs,

and he can immediately be your starter. Like, that's how you build a team. But sometimes like Jerry's like, let's just get myself some Gentie. I want Gentie in the backfield with Dak. You like my, Jerry? I put them back there with deck. Striking glory holes.

I don't even know what my voice is, but it's, it's, listen, life's all about talk. You know, it's what a lot of people do, whether you're in sales, whether, whatever, it's easy to say whatever you want at any given moment, because it sounds good. And then your feet get held to the fire. And like you said, a lot of people, you know, change their opinion. I don't even think change their opinion. they just go, I believe in the line of scrimmage,

but holy shit, I love this wide receiver. I mean, it happens all the time. It's like, okay, I'm the Chargers or the Patriots. I have a ton of money, and I have a ton of needs. Should I go spend that on T. Higgins?

Now, there's an argument with a young quarterback to help him out. Not that crazy. But couldn't you just find T. Higgins? I don't know in the second round. It's like, where did you find A.J. Brown?

Mike Vrable. I'm not saying they will, but it's like, oh, we got them in the second round. Big fan of the show. Will contracts like Bakers and Darnels cause some teams to rethink this all-or-nothing approach? They have to be playing an average to slightly above-average quarterback like Lawrence or Tua. I would say those two guys are kind of unique. When you just look at them, Baker was the number one overall pick, and Darnold was the third overall pick. So let's look around the NFL of guys that fit their mold.

Tray Lance, Zach Wilson, Justin Fields. I got no problem given Justin Fields $5 million to be my backup. I would entertain that. Zach Wilson, I could not, I mean, I just don't know enough about. In Tray Lance, I couldn't give, I wouldn't sign him to be on my team.

He wouldn't be able to make my team. Maybe it's like a four string. I mean, I wouldn't even want him as my third quarterback. So I think it's, those are just very, very, very, those are outliers. They truly are. I mean, and Baker had played well a season in Cleveland.

Sam never had. Sam never had. But, you know, went to the perfect spot, got a year to refresh with Kyle. I just don't, I guess Zach Wilson could be if he emotionally matured. But he couldn't even win the backup job this year in Denver. So, you know, Kenny Pickett, no. Mac Jones, no. I just think you look around the NFL.

well, you just don't really see that at all. That, that, that player. Question for the bag. Who do you feel would make the Chargers offense more effective? A quality tight end, a running back, and a wide receiver one like Higgins, or a revamped interior offensive line. Both are equally bad, and you can find clips of Herbert yelling at Bozeman frequently. Well, I think you can find a guard or center early in the draft.

so in the first or second round. I don't have their salary cap situation in front of me, but I think it's pretty clear that they're going to need to add a weapon. Now, wide receivers on the open market, good ones, Higgins is going to cost a lot of money. Keenan out, I think I saw a list the other day of the wide receivers on the open market. It's not a great group. So you could draft a couple.

To me, I would think long and hard about drafting a tight end and drafting a running back. I think in the first three rounds, they got to feel pretty good coming away with a skill, wide receiver or tight end, and a running back. Now, you can find a running back on day two.

You can find a guard or center on day two. I think he would be more inclined to draft a wide receiver in the 20s than he was going to do at pick five with Joe Alt. Who knows who's sitting on the board? I also think, couldn't you go defensive line? I think one question with the Chargers is Khalil Mack is a free agent

and he's not going to retire. I would imagine they want him back, but what's the price there? And as Joey Bosa played his last snap for him? I think the Chargers has a pretty big questions. Can you give us a recipe for an Eagles victory over the Chiefs? Obviously, we can all imagine things

like winning the turnover battle or being able to run the ball. Do you have any next level insights that may be able to tilt the needle in the Eagles favor. Love the show. Well, I think one thing is pretty clear when the Eagles take advantage of you as an opponent, they do it defensively with their front.

And down the stretch, I mean, Jalen Carter, non-quarterback, you could make the argument he's been a top 10 player in the NFL the last couple months of the season. I mean, the playoffs, he has plays, and Baldinger has done some breakdowns on, where he's just unguardable. I mean, you get him in a one-on-one,

situation against a guard or a center. And he has, you know, whether it's that kind of swim move or kind of that quick get you on, you know, your hip or your shoulder, you are fucked. I mean, he looks like a Hall of Fame. He looks like Chris Jones or something in his prime. So if a guy like that, and they have other sweet pass rushers, I mean, they got multiple interior guys. They got Jordan Davis, Williams.

They got edge rushers and Nolan Smith and sweat. So the one thing with the Chiefs, and you notice it in that. Texans game, the front was giving them problems. Well, what did the Texans have? They got Will Anderson, who's a badass, and DeNeil Hunter. Well, I'd say the Eagles, in terms of their overall unit, they're probably not as good on the edge as those two guys, but they're not bad on the edge, and their interior with Jalen Carter. I mean, how many, Chris Jones is older now, but he's one of the great defensive tackles of his era and going to be in the Hall of Fame. I mean, that's how good this guy can be. Like, this guy can be Chris Jones. Trust me, I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm not. I'm. I

49er fans about Chris Jones. He won them the Super Bowl on that third downplay in overtime when Purdy had Iuke, but he couldn't get there in his progressions because Chris Jones already in the backfield. Well, it's because the right side of the offensive line can't block Chris Jones. Well, the Chiefs, you know, they take Thuni and they move them out to left tackle, which is the right move. But it kind of, in Stuckey has talked about this, it's changed how talented their interior is. because usually it was, I mean, they had the best guard, center guard combination in the NFL.

You know, Trace Smith is, I don't know, the chief's financial situation. It's all this stuff so fluid at the combine, who you cut, who you trade. I mean, he's a guard. He might get, if I had to guess right now, what does he end up getting paid? I'd guess $65, $70 million guaranteed. And like, I could see like five years, $100 million, $20 a year. average, but like 65-70 guaranteed. You know, could be even a little higher, quote-unquote, average, but I think he'll have

the highest guaranteed in the history of guards. Last year, they were making $18, $19 million. But they're guaranteed money usually, like $45.50. He's going to be, get the most guaranteed money by far. So once you bump him out, their tackle situation is not as good. Or excuse me, their tackle situation is better because it was such a problem, but inside is not quite as dominant. So it's like, I think you've got to dominate on the devourable.

defensive line. And a couple years ago, that was their strategy. That's how they dominated the NFL. They led the league in sacks. So you lead the league in sacks. It's a problem. Now, Mahomes is a magician, but, you know, this game comes down to blocking, tackling, throwing, and catching the football. Like, it's pretty basic. And the quarterback, like, can you block them? Does he have time? And when you get a chance to hit him, do you fucking throttle them? The other thing, I mean, the Eagles can really hit you hard. I mean, they got blue chip. These guys are all Georgia and Alabama.

But it's like you're playing the best offensive coach. I mean, honestly, he's chubby Bill Walsh. He's clearly, I mean, if you want to do the Mount Rushmore of NFL coaches, I don't even know if he has to win this game to be on it. He's already got three Super Bowls. This is a six appearance. You know, Bill Walsh, people forget, like, he didn't win five Super Bowls. He won three, and then he quit.

So, now he's more famous, at least as we sit here. today, but who's the saying in 50 years, Andy won't be more famous. Or equally, I would say him. I think if you were doing a Mount Rushmore, and it's not like Andy's anywhere close to Dunn, I don't know who would argue about Lombardi, Belichick, Walsh, then I think the four spots up for debate.

The Landrys, the Knowles, the Hallises, the Andes, I mean, he's in the mix. I mean, you're talking about that's who you're going up against. if you're doing a Mount Rushmore of NFL head coaches, the coach you're playing is on that list. And Vic is an elite defensive coordinator, but you go, well, Patrick and Andy has kind of owned them.

So I think that... And the other thing is, like, Hollywood, Xavier Worthy, the Eagles have good corners. You know, Mitchell's one of the better rookie corners in recent memory. Cooper's a really good slot. And Slay, I mean, he's older, but he's still a solid starting corner. corner.

Technically, if Slay's your third best guy, right? If you just put guys up for factoring in their age, every NFL team got to pick or order those three of who they'd like, Slay would be third. But if that's your third, like, you got good D.Bs. Now, if one of those guys go down and Rogers has to come in, then it's a problem. Their safety's coverage-wise, I mean, they'll hit. Obviously, CJ will. CJ bring the wood.

Lots of dynasty talk with the upcoming. Super Bowl. Where would the Chief stack up if they win? And do you consider the Brady Patriots Era one continued dynasty? I do. So when you say Belichick Brady, now there are three different iterations. There's the Brady Belichick opener, three Super Bowls, Brucey, Vrable, Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon, Troy Brown, kind of that group. Then there's the 07 team, you know, through 11, which is like Wes Welker, Randy Moss,

Brady in his peak, Logan Mankins, Vince Wilfork, kind of that group. And then there's the Brady, Belichick, Edelman, Gronk,

Jason McCordy, Hightower, kind of that crew. So I think there are multiple crews. But Belichick and Brady were on them all. So it's like

Travis Kelsey retires and they win another Super Bowl in three years. The Dynasty won't end. He just won't be a part of it. Like, Gronk wasn't a part of the first three. Or the undefeated season.

And I know, like, you get credit when you lose in the Super Bowl. That's an incredible year. But you've got to win them, too. Like, it doesn't sting as much. Like, yeah, Peyton, I lost a couple of Super Bowls, won a couple two. Brady, I lost some Super Bowls, won a bunch, two. That's the thing with Kyle Shanhan. It's like, yeah, I've lost a couple close ones.

It's like, okay, well, what about the ones you've won? Haven't won any. So yeah, one continued dynasty. Question for the pod. If Mahomes hit free agency tomorrow, how much money would he be able to net? I feel like it can get 70 plus million. He's that good and GMs on the hot seat may pay him more. Interesting in hearing your thoughts.

I mean, I don't think there's a number that would get $500 million guaranteed? I would put Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson. I mean, if these guys hit free agency, Deshawn Watson got $230 million guaranteed, would they get $400? The thing with all these quarterback contracts is then if you're good, you see all the money anyway. So like when you see the hollow numbers,

some of these guys, these teams are going to want to get out, let's say Trevor Lawrence, the team might want to pivot in a year or two. Like, you're never pivoting on Lamar Jackson or Joe Burrow or Josh Allen or Mahomes. So like when Mahomes got 10 years, $450 million, even if they didn't mess with the contract over the years,

he's still getting that, he's seeing all that money. So I just think that they make an unlimited amount of money. It's just, I think it's really that simple. Unlimited. I honestly think they get, they would get 10, 15, 20% more

if they hit the open market, but over the aggregate of their careers, like my home's going to make $700 million. Probably more. as someone who is working toward having a career and professional sports management degree, what was your favorite part of working in a major sports league? Also, what was your least favorite?

I would say favorite is just, you know, you're part of a team. There's people that you become very close to. I still got very, very close friends that are on different teams now, but when you spend, especially in the office, it's just kind of a unique job where you're just spending,

especially in football, a lot of hours together in the building. And it's all kind of for the same common goal. You're all just trying to help get wins, win, get better players, you know, and you're all kind of part of this little team. Because in a football team, I guess basketball and baseball, you have less players. But in football team, you don't have that many people. You have the coaching staff, you got some in-house scouts, you got the GM,

you get the trainers, equipment people. Like, you all know each other pretty closely. You know, like when I work with the Eagles, I just text Dom the other day about something, the Gilly dancing, he got Gilly to lead the team out on the NFC championship camp. You just spend, like, you just get to know all these people because you just spend so much time around them, you know? So I think that's, that doesn't mean every single person you liked, but for the most part, I was pretty lucky. I had a group of people that I worked with that I all like a lot. The worst part, you do just work, you can work baseball, basketball, football, hockey,

golf, tennis, you name it. Like, you're a schedule. Like, you ain't a 9 to 5. It's not Monday through Friday. Weekends off. It's a lot of holidays you're grinding. A lot of events you have to miss. It's not a normal schedule.

At all. It's basically you're doing what other people do for recreation to watch at their house. So when you work, you were for a baseball team, like Saturday night, you got a game. You mentioned last. week you didn't have a theory to account for why defensive-minded head coaches like Aaron Glenn seemed to be more inclined to hand off play calling duties to a new defensive coordinator as opposed to offensively offensive oriented coaches like Andy Reed Sean McVeigh seem more willing to maintain those duties themselves I'd like to

suggest one possible explanation we all have a basic orientation to life and one division I've observed is that some people are more worried about bad things happening, while others aggressively seek fun and positive opportunities. Coaches drawn to defense likely fall into that category, and those who are more adventurous might incline toward offense. Coaching defense might be a burden. Defensive coaches would love to assign to someone else, whereas offensive coaches might like to continue enjoying trying to make good things happen. Just a thought. you're pretty deep on that. I think there's probably

some merit to what you're saying, but I do think it comes back to like Andy reads an offensive play car he was an offensive lineman. He coached offensive players as an assistant coach, right? He was an offensive line coach, then he coached tight ends,

then he worked with Homer in, like, you know, John Gruden was a quarterback. Kyle Shanahan was a wide receiver. Sean McVeigh was a wide receiver. They played offense. Like that was their position as a player. So when you transitioned, it's like, well, what side of the ball do you want to work on? Well, I played a wide receiver.

So where do you usually start? Offensive quality controller, offensive graduate assistant. And then when you elevate from like the lowest guy in the totem pole, where do they put you? Well, they put you usually an assistant wide receiver coach, right? That's kind of where you get your, if you're an offensive line guy, where do you start? Assist an offensive line coach. then you become an offensive line coach, then you become the run game coordinator.

So it's like, Domeco, why is he called, he's a linebacker, right? Sala, defensive player, Dan Quinn, defensive lineman. I think Pete Carroll's somewhat unique, pretty sure he played quarterback, but he might have just started coaching on the defensive side of the ball

and it just kind of took off. But I think when you look around the NFL, I think a lot, Aaron Glenn was a corner. So what position does Aaron Glenn start coaching when he gets into the profession. Starts coaching DBs. And the natural progression is like,

assistant DB coach. DB coach, defensive coordinator. It's just a progression. Now, I also think there is something that you are on to. There's conservative and non-conservative. Like,

and that's what's kind of unique about this modern day coaching style. Like I think Dan Quinn and Dan Campbell, if you talk to them 20 years ago, those guys would be old school, tough guys, run the ball, play defense, conservative guys. Now when you watch them is go for it, go for it, go for it. So maybe they are just more open-minded guys.

Like you said, they are just more inclined to good things happening. Where you look at like Belichick, Sabin, John Harbaugh. Now Harbaugh is a go-for-it guy, but I would put the Harbaugh brothers, they just kind of bad things happening, I guess. I hear what you're saying. I think you're kind of on to something. I think a lot has to do with it. If you played, at least in college,

you just start coaching where you played. So if you were an offensive player or a defensive player, that's where you go. Like, why does Kevin O'Connell call offense? He's a quarterback. He was played at San Diego State. Got drafted. Cliff Kingsbury, quarterback.

So I think it's a natural, you know, Bruce Ariens, quarterback, called offense. Todd Bulls, safety, defense. I truly believe a lot of it's that. Trying to go think of different coaches. I don't think Mike McDonald played. Trying to go around the NFL. Siriani.

I think Sirianni was a wide receiver. I think Rable, defensive guy, linebacker. I truly believe a lot of it's that. Maybe with scouting, I think some of that would be natural to you. Are you negative? Are you a positive guy? Are you glass half full, glass half empty guy? I think with coaching though,

it truly more where you played. Question for the mailbag. After the Chiefs won the AFC, I started hearing you and others talk about how Andy Reid is on Belichick's ass for the greatest coach of all time. This prompted me to search Andy and Bill's coaching resume, and I guess I either didn't know or just had forgotten that Bill has two rings as a defensive coordinator.

on top of the six as a head coach. Seeing this led me to wonder, when evaluating bills and others coaching legacies, how does success as a coordinator factor into the all-time rankings, legacies, if at all. I can just speak to my kind of era of guys. I think most of the best coaches over the Belichick and the era, will start in like the early 90s,

have been Super Bowl winning. coordinators. Belichick, Super Bowl winning coordinator. Mike Shanahan, Super Bowl winning coordinator. Mike Holmgren, Super Bowl winning coordinator. Whom I miss? Andy wasn't a coordinator. He was not a coordinator.

But he was one of the main assistants on a Super Bowl winning team in Green Bay. And you look at, then you get to the next era. John Harbaugh was a huge part of special teams and defense on those great Eagles teams with McNab. Mike Tomlin, Super Bowl winner as a DB coach with Tampa, I think. Did Mike Tomlin win one? And I think what you're getting at to is the correlation, yeah, he won a Super Bowl in Tampa.

He was a DB coach with John Lynch. I think the way you get put on a map as an assistant coach is typically to be part of a good team. Like Kevin O'Connell's like, oh, you just got to be connected to Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVeigh. Well, if those teams for the last five years sucked, those guys wouldn't have jobs. But McVeigh won a Super Bowl, Kyle went to a couple, they were in the playoffs all the time. So it's like usually you get hired, not just because you get hired from one of those staffs doesn't mean you're good. But like look at all the coaches that have got hired over the last like 20 years from Belichick. Well, why Josh McDaniels, Matt Patricia, Brian Flores, you know, Charlie

Wice, Romeo Crenel, because they were kicking ass. You know, I think a huge, huge part of getting elevated and getting jobs. You know, and when I was like high school-ish, like all the best teams, the guys getting head jobs were from the best defenses. And that happened for a long time up until like five, ten years ago. Now, this year kind of came back, but a lot of guys from the great Ravens team, you know, was like Marvin Lewis, Rex Ryan, Mike Nolan, the Tampa team, Tomlin,

their defensive line coach, Rod Miranelli. You know, it's like, so when you're part of great teams, you become famous. It's like you could be a no-name actor and put the guy in like Wolf of Wall Street or, you know, the godfather or whatever. You just pick a random movie.

If it's an all-time movie, that guy's career is probably going to change. It's probably going to have a massive, massive change. I ended up on this YouTube about Josh Brolin. He was being interviewed by Graham. I always mess up the guy's last name, but he's just interviews like famous people, athletes, actors. And Josh was a child actor. I didn't know that well before my time.

And he said, like, for 20 years, my career sucked. Nothing happened in my career. And then you got no country for old men, which I actually watched after watching that interview. It was a clip from the interview. And I ended up watching more clips because I was like, I love this guy, Josh Brolin. Love Sicario. But I haven't seen Dune, but I bet it's, I wasn't going to watch it. Not my style of movie, but no one, he started talking about it.

I'm like, yeah, I'd probably check this out. But he's like, no country old men, changed my life. Like, I've always been kind of picky at movies. He's like, I was turning down movies that I had no business turning down with money. my options completely changed. It's not like I changed as an actor. I was always been the same guy. Just like there are a lot of really good coaches

that are on shitty teams. You know? Like if that guy got the opportunity to be at Ohio State, to be at Texas, to work for Andy Reed, like he'd become a star. But maybe he's just on the Panthers

or at Texas Tech. It's not his fault. He just doesn't know those guys. He just got hired. He's just kind of there. And in life, No different coaching. Sometimes you need a big break.

Like Andy Reid getting on Homegren staff and John Gruden getting on Homegren staff and Marriucci getting on Homegren staff changed their lives. I'm sure all three of them would be the first people to tell you that. Brett Farv changed their life. Change their life.

Tom Brady changed a ton of people's lives. Peyton Manning changed a ton of Aaron Rogers, a ton of people's lives. Even if they failed, like McAdoo, Made a lot of money because Aaron Rogers. Joe Philbin, a lot of money because Aaron Rogers. Like these guys, Nate Hackett. So it's great coaches are usually associated assistant coaches

with a great player or great head coach, and they usually go hand in hand. Bill Walsh, Joe Montana, Belichick Brady, Andy Reed Mahomes, Phil Jackson, Michael Jordan. You put Phil Jackson with like, Fucking James Harden. He ain't Phil Jackson. Name for your fans. People want me to have a name for my fans.

So, I like where the one guy was going with the fourth downers, but it's kind of an awkward name. How about the punning unit? What happens when you go three and out? Send in the punning unit. I think the key to a name,

and this is growing on me. It has to almost be, it can't be three, words. It can't be like the X, Y. Right? Or, I think it basically has to be like a couple syllables. Ideally, one word. I was thinking like the practice squad, but the middle cough squad, cough squad. I'm not great at this stuff, but I think we're kind of getting down the right path, the punting unit. I appreciate the idea. It's actually a good idea. And the logic, behind the idea. I like it.

I just think, here comes the punning unit. It doesn't quite work. It doesn't quite work. When I was a kid, Jim Rome, I think had the, was it the cronies? Maybe, yeah, what is Jim Rome's fans called? The clones. The clones. I was close. The clones. That was good.

The clones. Portnoy has the Stoley's, the clones. I think the key for this to work, it's got to basically be one word. I don't know what that word is, but I don't think it can be like a statement. Like, here comes the third down defense, right?

Here comes the punning unit. I thought for probably a couple of minutes the other day, and I was like, I'm not even close to getting a good idea, but like clones. That was pretty legendary when I was a kid. I thought I was a clone. I never even called in,

but I felt it, right? So the one word, one word's key. It doesn't even have to be football related. It can be anything. Something that's sticks. Something that's good. Something that's catchy.

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