The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Nick Sirianni is a good coach, Anthony Richardson is back, Netflix and the NFL

Episode Date: November 14, 2024

John dives into how it's time that we all start giving Nick Sirianni his flowers for what he's done in Philly. John also reacts to the news that the Colts have gone back to Anthony Richardson to be the teams starting quarterback and how he feels that Richardson has likely learned his lesson about taking himself out of a game. Later, he talks about the importance of teams hanging onto draft picks and not trading them away for nothing. Lastly, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 5:54 - Nick Sirianni is a good coach 15:22 - The Colts go back to AR 26:25 - Importance of draft picks 40:37 - Netflix and the NFL 45:43 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And the commanders, it's a big moment. You know, they don't have as much pressure on them as obviously the Eagles, given the expectations coming into the season, but you win this, the division is on like Donkey Kong between the two teams. If they lose this, I think it's fair to say the Eagles are probably going to cruise to winning the East. And honestly, at 8 and 2, they'd be in great position to just be in the mix for the number one seat.

So it shows you a lot can change. We'll dive into that game. We'll also fire around the NFL. We had Anthony Richardson's back. J.J. McCarthy needed another surgery. The 49ers locked up Diomador Lenore to a long contract. and some other football stuff as well as the Middlecoff mailback. At John Middlecough.

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I think we got to give our boy Siriani some love. You know, sometimes when you grow to a figure that becomes so polarizing, it's hard to shake. Like, in a weird way, the dude had had a lot of success,

but last year ended so crazy. And then this year, the moment with the Browns fans, or when he's playing the Browns with the home fans, it was like everyone talked about him and I'm guilty too, like he's Jim Tom Sula.

And then you look up, and he's hosting Thursday night football, and his team 7 and 2. And over the last four games, they have outscored their opponent 127-249. And 23 of those points came against the Jags where they were up 22 to nothing. So in his four-game winning, or I guess five-game winning streak, but if you remove that Browns game, which got weird, he's averaging over 30 points a game as a head coach. His team looks good. I said it coming into the season. And one thing, and I learned this every year,

but definitely I am going to, when we discuss in August next year, you're how important your head coach is. I mean, betting on the Saints when Dennis Allen was their head coach, what was they doing? Like, how insane was I? So when your head coach or even saying, like, my take should have been, yeah, the Bears, they have some talent, but, you know, they're probably a six-win team.

And I think I was probably close. like they can win eight, nine games. They're not winning eight, nine games with Matt Iberfluse. What the fuck was I talking about? The thing with Siriani is, like, I don't think he's a great head coach. But they have such a well-run organization. They have so much talent. They add two really good coordinators.

And adding Saquan Barkley, their offense is loaded. So if Jalen is just solid, if you add Sequan and he's healthy, like they're going to be a dominant offense. They just are. Because you got AJ Brown is one of the best wide receivers. Devante Smith, who's one of the best young players in the league. They have a really good tight end. Sequoan's an elite back. An offensive line, like, they draft those guys every single year.

So even when guys get injured, they're able to mix a match. And they have an elite offensive line coach who probably makes, my guest, Jeff Stalton, makes a couple million dollars. So, the Siriani, while he's very fun to talk about, like, he wins tomorrow, and the Eagles are favored. He'll be 8 and 2. And they will be right on the heels of the Detroit Lions, headed into the stretch run of the season.

So we can make fun of him all we want, and he takes a lot of shit. Here's the one thing, though, when you work in Philly as a head coach, you do, like, it's a tough place to play. Like, he's been feeling pressure the moment he started, you know, whatever, four years ago. So, like, all the pressure in this game is on the Eagles. All of the pressure. 100% of the pressure is to win this game at home. You could argue there's even more pressure on the Washington-owned.

owner than there is on the actual team. Because that's an underrated elephant in the room that the dude that owns the Sixers also owns the commanders. And I've said this before. Forever the commanders were such a joke with Dan Snyder. It didn't matter. But they're not a joke anymore. Now they're good.

And now it's like, wait, you own our basketball team, but you own, like, the commanders, if they just are good now for the foreseeable future, which I think you'd be hard press to argue against them, I don't know, being good for a while, that this rivalry is going to be a little weird for the dude. It's like, wait, you're trying to take out our football team, our prize possession? I mean, the Eagles in Philly are the equivalent of like Alabama football in Tuscaloosa or LSU, and the other sports are massive, but there is nothing like this football team. And after, I think everyone was on edge about a month ago, rightfully so, it was getting weird. You got to be feeling pretty good. I know you've been beating the crap out of

bad teams, but that's the key. You've been beating the crap out of bad teams. And I remember when the Bears did it, everyone's like, the Bears! It's like, let's see Caleb play against some good teams. Like, I have seen the Eagles guys when they're playing well against other high-level competition. It works. And I think tomorrow, like, I like the Eagles kind of big. Like, I like them and the points. It wouldn't shock me at all if they win this game by 10 plus points. And listen, I think Washington's playing with House Money. They have had a phenomenal season. I mean, they really have. It's already a win. They've won seven games. Their quarterback looks like a future star. Currently, he's got nine touchdowns, only two picks. He's

got another four rushing. Their schedule actually sets up pretty nice. They still play the Cowboys twice, who just stink. They still play the Titans. They play the Saints. Like, they could get rolled in this game, and still very, very conceivable that they get to 11 wins. But I'd argue if they went 10 and 7 in Jayden's rookie year, and whether that got them the 6th seed or the 7 seed, that's one of the more impressive seasons, especially the franchise that they just took over, we have seen in a long, long time. Really? I mean, remember, like, when Dan Campbell got to Detroit with Jared Gough, they went 3 and 13. They were really, really bad.

Usually, like, these turnarounds take a little while. Adam Peters, who came from the 49ers, like, I saw him and John Lynch when they got there in 17. They were a horrendous football team for two years before they broke out in 2019 and were in the Super Bowl. So if Washington wins 10 games, gets to the playoffs, standing ovation as a football fan. What a season. But, like, this is a type game. And listen, I know, like, Dan Quinn and Jaden and the team don't feel like this. But this is just a reality.

They're playing with House Money in this game. All of the pressures on Philly. And I do think Nick Siriani has, with, you know, his team, have just quieted everyone. Like, people in Philly are coming into this game excited, not, like, on the fence of something bad's going to happen. The expectation coming into this building is, We're going to kick ass and take names. And if they play well, it's crazy how, you know, this is part of sports.

It's very fickle. We'll talk about Anthony Richardson. Things can change very, very quickly. And at the end of the day, Siriani is going to be judged in the playoffs, especially if he doesn't have the number one seed. Like, what's it going to take for him to get a contract extension? Does one playoff win get it for him? I don't know.

Does two? It'd be hard. Do not give a guy a contract extension if he took the team to the NFC championship game. especially if you had to go on the road to Detroit and lose, like you'd be an underdog in that game. But I think if you're an Eagles fan, you're feeling pretty good. You're young players. I mean, Cooper DeGine's making plays.

Obviously, the two defensive linemen starting with Jalen Carter has been awesome. Nolan Smith has been a factor. Nikobe Dean. I mean, these are young core guys on defense. And we know how awesome the offense can look. So, and let's face it, I would say two of the best, if not the best, especially when you factor in the price, off-season additions, have been Derek Henry and Sequin Barclay.

I mean, those guys have been certified ass kickers. They have been unstoppable forces. And while Derek's, you know, probably a Hall of Famer and definitely add him to that resume. If he wasn't, he's much closer now and will be if he plays like this for a couple years with the Ravens. No one's ever argued that Saquan's not a Hall of Fame talent. Right?

The argument when what's his name drafted him number two overall, wasn't like this guy is one of if not the best player in the draft. It's do you draft a running back that high? And I understood more so like, I don't think you draft a running back that high. But when you're the Eagles and you get an opportunity to get a guy with a chip on his shoulder, it's just made their offense so much more well-rounded. And he's just an elite game-changing player.

So I like the Eagles in this game. I'm excited for this game. I mean, last week was awesome. Ravens, Bengals, you get these. division games, obviously the Bengals record isn't good, but we know, like, when they play like that, they are tough out. And I would expect a very, very entertaining game. And this is the good part about, you know, the league wanting, I mean, they're in bed with Amazon, but wanting to make this real, is you give them better games. And I think as the season went on years ago in this package,

these games were such a joke. The matchups were so terrible. And now they're pretty good. Like, just no disputing. This is a good matchup. So I go to next week. You know, the game is, so we got Washington at Philly this week. Next week we got Pittsburgh at Cleveland, which I guess could be worse.

Then we got Thanksgiving games. Then week 14, we got Green Bay at Detroit. That's pretty freaking unbelievable. One thing that this league does a good job of is the game after Thanksgiving. They take two of the best teams on Thanksgiving Day.

and make them play the next Thursday. So you get a Thursday game, then you get another Thursday game, but it's actually a normal week. And then the week after Lions Packers is Rams at San Francisco. I mean, that's pretty good back-to-back stretch talking early December. The Colts. I've been saying this for a while is it is so difficult to be a head coach. You have so many crazy difficult decisions.

It's like any human you ever meet in management when you just talk about a CEO, a CFO, someone in a very powerful position, they're really getting paid to make constant decisions. Like in terms of actual tangible work on a daily basis, it's hard to quantify. They are paid to make decisions. That's what Dan Campbell, Andy Reid, I mean, every head coach in the NFL is doing constantly all day, every day.

And there are four or five you make on a weekly basis. which are game-changing decisions. And it's so easy as an assistant coach to be like, yeah, we should bench this guy, or we need to reinsert this guy in the starting lineup. I've been there. Everyone has those opinions. Scouts, position coaches, the coordinators, but it ultimately falls on the head coach slash the GM to be the decision maker,

not to give a suggestion, but the one that gives the final say on, we're doing this or we're not doing this. So it's like, oh, my suggestion would have been correct. Well, would you have made that decision in that spot? I don't know. And no one ever knows. And that's why, you know, the more experience you have doing something, the more confidence you have in whatever you're doing,

I think the better and the more equipped you are to make decisions. And this Anthony Richardson situation got weird. They had to bench them. So it wasn't even the right decision. They had no choice. They would have lost the team. The choice was made for him. moment he tapped out.

And Ryan Kelly, their star center, said, after the game, like, that's not acceptable. We had to talk with him. It was like, yeah, he's sitting down. Then the decision becomes like, okay, then it's back on your play to a couple weeks later. Why? Over the last two games, Joe Flacco has thrown four interceptions. And you've lost both games. So it's like, if you're going to lose games, there's no point in playing Joe Flacco.

Right? If you play this game against the Jets, who are fucking. terrible, who are just an absolute embarrassment of the sport. And you lose with Joe Flacco, one, at four and seven, your season's over. And two, it feels like you wasted the opportunity, right? So you're playing the Jets, and you're Shane Stike, and you go, the Jets defense is horrendous. They can't stop anybody. Well, our running back's a baller, and we feel comfortable that he can go for

120, 1.20, 130 on him, no problem. well the one thing our quarterback actually does pretty well is run the ball. So if we re-insert Anthony Richardson, here's what I would do if I was Shane Stiking. And I don't pretend to like no more football than him. But like I did see a guy who most of us consider one of the best offensive coaches in the league, insert Malik Willis into a game week two this year and win, with them throwing way less than 20 passes. Why not have a game plan that limits what you?

you ask him to do. And I've seen a lot of Colts fans get mad at Shane Seichen because they go, why is he asking him to throw the ball so much? Like, I don't know. Honestly, just hand the ball off, run the ball, and throw it occasionally. And to me, that would be the game plan. Anything less than like 30 rush attempts between Anthony Richardson and Jonathan Taylor against the Jets is a massive failure. Honestly, you should probably be about 35 to 40, and that includes the other running backs on the team as well. This should be a game. We're going to try to win 17 to 10. The Jets' offense stinks. Control the clock and run the ball basically every play.

Hey, Jets, we're going to run the ball. We don't think you could stop it. Why do you think that? Because you can't. And this is a pretty big moment for Shane Seichen's career. Because if Anthony Richardson comes back and he keeps doing the same things he's been doing and they're just throwing it all the time, he's really inaccurate, I think we've got to start asking ourselves like, is he a little over his head as a head coach? Because I know he's a good play caller. But as a play caller, there's way less on your table. You know, it's like, now that I'm getting married and I've lived with her for a couple years, you realize there are positives to having someone else in the house. You can balance what she has to do, what I have to do. So like, she's good

at some things. I'm good at some things. I don't have to do it all. If you live in a house all by yourself, literally everything's on you. The cooking, the cleaning, the putting this away, the laundry, everything. And as a coordinator, like, all you have to do is focus on a couple things because other people handle that stuff. As the head coach, it all falls on you. And you just have to wonder, I think this is going to be a big time. Like, if I own the Colts, this is kind of a defining moment. Like Anthony Richardson even said, like, listen, I needed that. I'm glad that happened. Everything he said was right. and like I don't know if he's coached up to say the right things, but listen, his quotes were right on par with what you would want.

So he got to take a step back, got to take a deep breath, got a little sense of humility. I saw a play last week where they got a first down. He was into the game. I forget who it was. I think a receiver. It could have been Jonathan Taylor. And he was right on the sideline. He's right there with him. So he was excited. So you just hope like, you know, you just sometimes take a deep breath. And he also, like Shane Stuy can get a chance at redemption. best part about life you know another day comes up

if you're miserable today tomorrow's a new day right if you fucked up today tomorrow's a day to not and get it moving in the right direction the world moves on

so I'm actually excited to watch this and as a gambler this is an auto bet I would basically take any team beside maybe like the Panthers and the Giants right now against the Jets.

And I just wouldn't even bet those games. Not saying that they wouldn't cover, but you give me points with any team in the NFL besides like three or four of them. I would say like this cowboy Cooper Rush version, the Panthers, the Giants, I think you're giving me more than a field goal. This morning it was like three and a half, four points.

Automatic bet. Auto bet. You just bet against the Jets. And I think I saw Rogers say today that he plans on coming back next year. and I think a lot of people think he would quit. I just think, like, if you can still physically play, even if you're not the same,

I understand he's made a lot of money. I'm sure he's got a lot in the bank. There are only so many places where you can make $35, $40 million a year. And that's what he's making right now. So if you're like, well, my body can still handle it, should I make another $40 million a year? Because you make the $40 million, whether you win six games,

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it cost them a fifth round pick. It cost them a six-round pick. Why didn't my team trade for that guy? We were unwilling to give up the pick. And I understand that argument always. It's like, are we serious? Most of these fifth round picks are not only not going to make the team. No one's ever going to hear of these guys.

Maybe they'll be on the practice squad. The problem is enough guys turn into Diomador Lenore, who Sherman's had on his podcast, who the 49ers, four years ago, drafted in the fifth round. He was pick 172. Yesterday, the 49ers gave him a five-year $92 million contract. extension. That on average is a little over $18 million a year. Now, I haven't seen all the details of the guarantee or whatever, but I'm sure it's not nothing. It's a real contract. Why? He's a real

player. He's a high-end starter at outside corner. He can also play nickel, and you can move them all around. He's a very, very good player. And he's the reason that after this season, they'll probably, and, you know, Charvarius wards an unrestricted free age. He won't be on the team next year. And, like, when teams think about trading a fourth, fifth, sixth round pick for established players, they weigh like, well,

what if we get our next starting corner? I was with the Eagles when Jason Kelsey was drafted in the sixth round. He was a starting center for well over a decade. And obviously, you would say, Lenore and clearly Kelsey are, tend to be outliers, but there are enough guys that become long-time starters on the third day of the draft that are the reason these GMs hesitate, especially on good teams, right? Because if I'm the

chiefs, if I'm the Bills, if I'm the Ravens, getting a guy in the fourth or fifth round that starts for me for three years is by far the number one economic advantage. And that's the number one economic advantage I can have when I have a high-priced team. Because I get a starting player for essentially the minimum. For like $7,000, $900,000. And if then that guy becomes a good player like Lenore, it's like I struck oil. It truly is incredible because even the five-year $92 million contract, if you factor in his first four years in the league over like even if he doesn't make it the

full nine, let's say he plays eight years for the 49. just cost average that over that period of time. Like, I draft Nick Bosa or Miles Garrett number one or number two, and then I give him $100 plus million. I still paid him a lot of money when I drafted him really high. But when I draft these guys, you know, really low in the draft and I hit, it's found money. And these examples happen every single year and the good teams take advantage of those rounds. It's boring, even to me at this time, on TV on Saturday in the draft. Because you never

know. Because a guy that you liked in college gets drafted in the fourth round might not even make the team. And a guy you know nothing about might become their next starting safety for the next eight years and get $50 million in three years from now. So what makes the draft so fun? It's one of the great unknowns. You have no fucking clue who's going to be sweet. Clearly, if the NFL, and this is like, we always say in exact science, analytics, nothing's ever going to change. Because there's no chance on God's Green Earth that if

Diomador-Lonor, if every team in the league had any idea he'd be half as good as he turned out to be, he would have made it past like pick 40. But that's never going to change. And that's always what makes the discourse leading up to the draft. And then after the draft, I saw a clip with Dionne Sanders yesterday, and he was arguing with some people over, you know, the recruiting classes. And he had actually a pretty good point.

He's like, everyone gets on us, you know, for being so aggressive in the transfer portal. But let's just say I signed 20 freshmen at a high school, right? 20 freshmen. So during their freshman year, let's say three or four of them play for the team. The other, let's say 16 guys redshirt. well the following spring during spring practice if it's pretty clear that maybe 12 of those 16 guys are not even close to playing either what's going to happen they're going to enter the transfer portal so those guys that we just invested a year in and used scholarships on the previous year are now gone heading into their second year so we have found a balance of maybe less high school guys that we think how a really good chance to play right away, and being really aggressive in the transfer portal.

The plan is to plug and play the majority of those guys. And even if they don't end up starting, we know they can play on special teams or whatever. It's like, you know what, Prime? Makes a lot of sense. Actually, it's pretty good logic. And I think you just have to adapt your way of thinking when it comes to the draft. Darren Rizzy was talking with Florio,

And he essentially had a line. He's the interim coach right now for the Saints. He's the guy that clogged the toilet on his coaching debut, which I think anyone would gladly take a clogged toilet coaching debut victory over a non-clogged toilet loss. So it was well worth it. It makes for a great story. And listen, you know, you probably ate a big dinner,

eat a big breakfast, got the nerves flowing, you know, drink a large cold brew. and you know, you got to clear out the pipes. Nothing like a good feeling of clearing out the pipes on game day morning after a nice, you know, large coal brew from Starbys. But he essentially said that the reason a lot of special teams coaches don't truly get the opportunity either to interview for a head coaching job or when they interview are never taken that seriously

because owners and GMs love to win the press conference. You get way more credit if you hire, the number one defensive coordinator or the number one offensive coordinator or some star college guy. And he's not wrong. It's a very big deal after you fire a coach to have a positive press conference. That's a fact. But I started thinking about, think how stupid it is.

And I was in the Bay Area when Jim Tom Sulla gave his press conference. It is by far the most outrageous experience in the history. of sports for a non-game. It was like, what just happened? And that obviously reflected everything that was about to happen, all-time disaster, joke, just bad hiring. I mean, it's the worst hire, I'd argue in the history of the league. Especially when you factor in, you essentially fired Jim Harbaugh for Jim Tom Suwa.

Like, Sireani's was bad, but obviously since, like, Siriang went to a Super Bowl. Syriani's been in the playoffs. Sirianni's headed back to the playoffs are going to probably win the division again. So don't even cares about your press conference. but I do think you get so cut up on a press conference, which is essentially on day one of the guy's employment, when ideally you're hiring this guy for the next five to ten years.

And I do wonder sometimes, like, things are fickle, right? Things change all the time. In sports, in society, in our personal lives, like you grow, you just, your views and your desires change. Like, that's part of life. You're up, you're down. you have different outlooks on different things. And sometimes when something like sexy offensive coordinators are really in vogue,

and there are a lot of them, those guys are going to get hired. Especially when you just factor in the economics of the league, you're like, well, who makes the most money? We like the quarterback. Well, who coaches the quarterback? Well, the guy, you know, the offensive coordinator, usually is a quarterback guy. You're like, well, shouldn't we make that guy the head coach? Like, there is a lot of logic behind that. And you go, like, who's the best head coach currently in the NFL?

Like Andy Reed, well, what's he do? Well, he's an offensive guy, play caller, quarterback genius. Like, well, wouldn't you want that? Yeah, well, there's also been Belichick. He's a defensive guy, but he actually was pretty good dealing with Brady. And then the other guy, you know, Bill Walsh, who was also a quarter. Like, it makes sense. But you also have to go off, it's like a draft.

What are your options? Right, like, who are your options? And you go, well, besides Ben Johnson, it's not a great crop. Even though I think Liam Cohen's pretty impressive. And I think he will be in this mix for sure. But you go Kubiak, that star is dimmed, Sloic, that star is clearly dimmed. And then you also got Belichick and Vrable.

And I think it got so hot with Kyle and McVeigh, but it does feel like most of his best guys got hired. Right? His best crew with Kyle was McVeigh-Lafloor. Like, that happened. And you've seen other guys like Robert Sala, LaFleur's brother who, went with him, you know, flame out pretty quick. D'Amico, like, was a coaching star.

Already hired. Kevin O'Connell, already hired. Rehne Moore's already hired. Mike McDaniel, already hired. Like, that crew's kind of taken. Now, I guess you can go to the new crew. You're like, well, would you be interested in Brian Greasy? You'd like, well, what's his background? Well, played quarterback in the NFL. His father, quarterback in the NFL for one of the great teams of all time, Sammy Dolphins, undefeated, played for Don Shula. Yeah, he's going to check the boxes. But I also think, like, I wonder if Steve Spagnola gets some interviews this offseason. Because we know Vrable's going to get some interviews this offseason.

We know Belichick's going to get some interviews this off season. I mentioned this other day, like, keep an eye on Kirby Smart this offseason. So you just, I would go into these situations, and it's kind of crazy to me, and this is why the bear should fire Iberflus. you essentially fire a guy January 1 and then you just talk to a guy a couple times and then you just make him the head coach of your organization I don't care how many frames of reference and people you call

or how many times you Google this guy's stats as a coordinator feels like not enough information like Starbucks I read this article on the Wall Street Journal the other day that the dude they hired from Chipotle the CEO from Chipotle went to Starbucks and a couple months before he went to Starbucks, they were clearly talking to him. And he would go to random Starbucks,

whether it be in a mall, whether it be in the corner of a shopping center. And he would just talk to baristas and ask them questions and pick their brain. And he did this for months, just acquiring information. This is well before he took the job. And my guess would be,

is like, and they say this a lot, that sometimes coaches interview the team, as much as the team interviews the coach, which I would imagine is going to happen with guys like Vrabel, Belichick. It happens sometimes in college, right? I would imagine it happened with Lincoln and Brian Kelly when they left Oklahoma and Notre Dame to go to LSU and USC. Obviously, those haven't worked, but they didn't need to leave. And I think like when he took the job, at Starbucks. He felt pretty confident that like, okay, I see some things here that can be fixed, and I think this is plausible, right? Obviously, they made him very rich man. They gave him a signing bonus like he was an athlete. They let him move the headquarters down to Newport Beach.

Like, it was a great deal. But sometimes you just take a great deal, even if it's a situation that you can't win. You know, I asked Lincoln Riley how that went. I mean, they gave him $120 million. Did Lincoln, if they would offer him $60 million, I got news for you. Lincoln Riley.

at Oklahoma. So it's like he just went simply for the money. Where Brian Kelly got paid a lot of money, but I think it's pretty clear Brian Kelly thought he could win a national championship at LSU. And do you know what it turns out? Like, it's actually easier in a 12-team playoff to do it at Notre Dame, who is going to make the playoffs with a fucking loss to NIU. And LSU is not going to sniff the playoffs. So I just think we got to be careful about, like, and I'm not saying I wouldn't be inclined and try to hire these offensive guys, like, I would interview Brian Greasy. I would say, well, who's McVeigh's right-hand guy right now on offense?

Who's LaFleur leaning on in Green Bay? I would want to interview those. But I would go into these situations open-minded. Like, who is the best candidate? Because winning the press conference, think how irrelevant that is. Like, does any Green Bay Packer fan remember Matt LaFleur's press conference? I don't remember Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVeigh's press conference. Did Kansas City win the press conference when they hired Andy Reid

A couple weeks after he just got fired from Philadelphia? I doubt it. Does any Chiefs fan remember that press conference? Of course not. That opening press conference is so irrelevant. I don't know anything about Rizzy, but if he's clearly as impressive, it seems like a pretty high-level guy,

I'd interview him. Why not? And like he said, like obviously some special teams coach, Joe Judge went bad. some have gone well, John Harbaugh. I would say Joe Judge, a good example, clearly over his head. John Hardball was no. And last but not least, Netflix, they've sold out their ads on Christmas.

And I think, you know, for most of my life, the NFL really had one holiday, and that was Thanksgiving, in which they still own. like Thanksgiving Day, you're sitting around, and football's on in the background, maybe you go for, depending on how old you are, right? Maybe you're outside messing with your buddies, the older you get, maybe you're inside drinking with your family. As you get kids, maybe you're outside playing in the front yard, but football is on the TV, at least in my house,

since, as long as I can remember, since I was a young kid. And that was back in the day when maybe there were two games, then they've added this third game, and you just got football on in the TV. And that was their day. And Martin Luther King Day was, the NBA's day and Christmas was the NBA's day. And the NFL has come flying in and said, no mas, those are my days. I've stolen those days. I mean, you look at Christmas. That is now

the NFL's territory. That's their real estate. Christmas Eve, also their real estate. New years, depending on where it falls, they're going to play on that day. And I think Netflix is the perfect partner for this because the Jake Paul, Mike Tyson fight is happening this weekend. I was supposed happened a while ago, and then Tyson got injured when he's 58 years old. I think your first reaction is like, that's kind of stupid, though I've watched a couple Jake Paul's fights, and listen, I'm

kind of like stupid sometimes. I'm going to watch. I watch Mike Tyson. I think the fight Roy Jones, I think it was like the pre-fight for when Jake Paul, forget who Jake Paul was fighting, not Hulk Hogan, but like some famous random guy,

and won. But I'm pretty sure that Tyson and Roy Jones Jr. fought. That's when it was pay-per-view. I bought it. I remember thinking like, God, I think Tyson, you know, at the time he was like 55 or 54, I actually thought he looked pretty good. And who knows? 58. It's clearly hard for him

to train, his body, injuries and stuff. But the point is, that thing's going to get a lot of eyeballs. The Tom Brady Roast was a major, major success. And that's the thing with the NFL. Is it's like the ultimate

just kind of event, even though it's just a random regular season games. Because football games always feel big, because there aren't that many of them. And there's always a buildup to those games. There was a buildup to the roast, which far exceeded my expectations. There's obviously been a long buildup to this Tyson-Jake Paul fight, which you can convince me anything's going to happen. But guess what? It's going to get me interested. It's going to get me to watch.

Honestly, it might even bet on it. Don't even hate Mike Tyson in the upset. But I think that this, the NFL and Netflix feel like they're kind of made for each other right now. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.

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Not the drug. I think that's just a fine-looking young man. With all the talent, coming out at quarterback each year, will the quarterback market eventually regress, leading teams just restarting every five years instead of the ill-advised large contract to Trevor Lawrence or Daniel Jones? I get teams don't want to lose players for nothing, but you're not telling me it would be better to pay Quinn Ewers $5 million a year

and surrounded with good coaching and talent than pay a marginally better Brock Purdy $50 million a year. In a vacuum, DAC or Derek Carr are better than Bo Nix, but they're not 10 times better like what they're being paid. It depends who you're talking about here. The chances that Quinn Ewers is ever remotely close to as good as Brock Purdy in the NFL, I would say, is slim to none. Now, I think when you start getting into the DAC and Derek Carr, and even Brock,

who's, I'd say, a better version of those guys. And Derek is not as good now, but was once, you know, the year that he got paid, he was in the MVP discussion. And obviously, DAC has been, you know, a top five MVP candidate, you know, on given years. But I think we've always viewed him as somewhere between, like, the eighth to 12th quarterback. It is hard to replace that guy. To me, if you have Daniel Jones, like, I'm moving on, and I totally agree with you. I would rather just draft the new quarterback, take my chances, than pay Daniel Jones $40 million a year. But when I get Brock Purdy or DAC, who are not Lamar,

Josh Allen, Herbert, and Patrick, it's very, very difficult for me to move off that player. Like, I understood what the Cowboys did. It's extreme. It's a lot of money, but, like, Is anyone coming into this draft better than Dak Prescott? The chances that Shador Sanders will be as good as Dak Prescott. The chances that Cam Ward will be as good as Dak Prescott. I would bet against them all not being as good. Quinn Ewers, Carson Beck, to me, he's like an undrafted free agent. But you know what I mean?

Maybe one of them will be. But if you're just playing the odds, like if I could have Dak Prescott as my quarterback for 15 years. Now, the difficult part is, and this is where you are right, is once you start paying a lot of money to your quarterback, it does become more difficult to build your team. And that's where the pressure on drafting is really, really high. It's why the Chiefs, they've drafted really, really well. Like the 49ers, you know, they don't pay a quarterback,

but they have a shitload of guys making a lot of money. Well, they have a lot of like third, fourth, fifth round guys that start on their team all over. And that helps. You know, like Joanne Jennings, seventh rounder, Poonie, third round. Safety's, fifth round, corners, fifth round. I mean, it just,

it helps. So you just got to draft well. Obviously, it gets even put into more question once they pay Brock. But I do understand, like, Jared Goff, Brock Purdy, like, I do think there's a line. You could argue Derek Carr's on the other side of the line. Daniel Jones

definitely is Trevor Lawrence. They just didn't even need to pay. Like, I would have just waited another year. I don't understand what the rush was. Coltsfin. here. Such a shit show quarterback. I mean, what the hell are we doing? Why did we ever bench Richardson?

What are your thoughts? Is it time for the Colts to clean house? I talked about it on the podcast. You know, I don't think they had a choice when he tapped out and he was playing bad. They would have lost their locker room. And that's the thing that's easy for us to say on the outside, you know,

talking heads on podcasts and on television shows. and those 50 guys inside the locker room, especially their high-end players, like, this is bullshit. This cannot happen. And so they had to make a move. And it's easy to go, well, it just was he was playing bad,

but I think when he tapped out, he needed to take a breather. Like, this will never be tolerated in this sport, in this league, ever. And I think reading his quotes today, I think he understands that. Or at least I think, you know, a couple weeks away realize. I think they're just in a tough spot.

I think the problem is, if they go back to Anthony Richardson, and let's say they end up going 8 and 9, or 7 and 10, and missing the playoffs. Shane Stuyken said, are you going to fire him? Probably not. Well, it's like, well, what about Chris Bauer?

Well, you're going to fire your GM, hire a new GM, and make him more with Shane Stiking? That's a little weird. usually doesn't work that way. And if you do lose the rest of the season, do you know what the number one question is? Especially if Anthony Richardson's all over the place, well, he doesn't just get, he's not on scholarship anymore.

Where when the offseason begins, he's just the starting quarterback. Like those days would be over. So then it's like, well, do we pay a little bit more for a guy to come in and compete? And who is that player? Like, we don't just sign Flacco or Garvey. or Minchu in the offseason to be the backup.

We almost have to pay more to get a guy to come in and be competitive. Well, what if the Saints move on from Derek Carr? Like, do we sign him and have an open competition? That's where I think it's really complicated, and that's where this whole thing could unravel. And if Anthony Richardson sucks, like, if he's just not good enough and he can't be a starting quarterback, I think they'd all be, not this year, but over the course of the next, what, 14, 15 months. a lot of question marks in that building. This from Eric.

Some nice words. Barry guy. Anyways, my question is, how does Brian Kelly escape media criticism? This guy's a total fraud. He totally wasted Jaden Daniels. Plus, other elite talent on the team. Is this guy currently the most overrated college coach? I never liked him after the whole,

let's execute our players quote. I get that he was joking. But would you rather, would a top-tier coach say something so clownish? I didn't mind that quote just because it's such a cheesy, like, dad joke. It was clear what he was saying. I think he didn't waste Jaden Daniels, like Jaden was incredible under his watch. You know, he's an offensive guy. And if he hires the wrong defensive coordinator, like any offensive head coach,

they're going to have a lot of problems. The Chiefs got a lot better on defense when Andy fired Sutton and went Steve Spagnola. So who your coordinator is, if you hire the wrong guy and it doesn't work, you're screwed. But I think that loss at home was pretty embarrassing. It was pretty

bad. And it's hard to shake that. Now, is he the biggest fraud? No. I think the question mark moving forward is, Brian Kelly. What is his ceiling? Because part of the reason he left Notre Dame to go to LSU was to have a national championship

ceiling. Couldn't have it at Notre Dame. Why? Because they just can't get the certain players into school because of academics. That you can get in at LSU. You can get it at Alabama. That you can get into Texas. You can get into Texas A&M. Ohio State.

You can get into whoever the fuck you want. Notre Dame's, it's hard for them. The academic requirements are different. Which to me at this point in time in 2025, like, who cares? If it's like, hey, we can get this wide receiver who does not meet our academic requirements, but Alabama, LSU, Georgia, and Ohio State won them. But he really likes Notre Dame. It's like, yeah, let's wave that shit.

But hey, that's just me. Not Mr. Academia here. I don't know. I think if he wins out, goes 9 and 3, wins a bowl game, it's just going to be defined the next couple of years. Can he make a playoff run? Three straight coaches at LSU have won national championships. Three straight coaches.

And I'd say beside Nick Sabin, the other two aren't really viewed as geniuses. in Les Mile and Ed Ogeron. So I think there's just going to be a lot of pressure on in the next couple of years. I don't think he's a fraud. I think he's a pretty good coach. Is there a ceiling? It kind of feels that way.

Like, you know, I'm like, listen, I'm not trying to be an asshole here, but I think Lincoln Riley's got a lot more fraud smell coming from his operation than Brian Kelly. Brian Kelly's had some bad losses and, hell, Brian Kelly lost to Lincoln Riley, but I would rather have Brian Kelly than Lincoln Riley. I have a question. I'm an Eagles fan, and I want to talk about the Cowboys. You have already mentioned that the Saints could hire Aaron Glenn as their new head coach due to the fact that the team knows him.

With the same line of logic, could the Cowboys try to hire Kellyn Moore from the Eagles, just to keep Prescott happy, as well as Jerry being able to control him? The reality is if you work for Jerry Jones, whether you're McCarthy, whether you're Jason Garrett, whether you're Kellyn Moore, whether you're any coach. Even Bill Parcells, Jerry's going to have a large, large role and going to be much more involved than the majority of owners. So if Bill Belichick was hired by Jerry, it's not like Jerry's like, hey, hey, Bill, I'll just see you on Sundays.

Like, Jerry's still coming in the office. Jerry's still got takes and opinions. And, I mean, maybe Bill would be big enough to be like, hey, Jerry, you're worth billions of dollars. You fucking achieve the American dream. From just some kid on the Arkansas football team in the 60s to a guy that owns the Dallas Cowboys and families whose sons, children's children's children,

won't ever even think twice about getting the most expensive steak at the steakhouse. Hell, they'll get Wagyu delivered to their house on DoorDash. And they'll pay even extra to make sure that shit's still hot when it around. you made it. But could you please just not call into the radio station every week during the season? I don't think I'm asking too much here.

Would that be possible? And I think he would be the only guy that could pull that off. I think Cameron Moore is a good coach. I know people have been critical over them over the years. Maybe I have a soft spot because I saw him play at Fresno State and I just know his story and I know the you know the coach that kind of developed him Chris Peterson and I thought he did a good job.

You know, his first couple years with Mike McCarthy. Obviously what's going on right now in Philly. But it crossed my mind, like, yeah. I think one million percent that Jerry Jones would talk to Kellynne Moore. And I think he would be more inclined. Like, let's face it, who has Jerry hired in the past? A lot of guys that he's known, right? Jimmy Johnson, he knew Jimmy Johnson.

they were college teammates Jason Garrett like was his guy Mike McCarthy was a little out of left field for Jerry honestly a little unconventional you could you could argue that if the season ended today

and the Eagles offense keeps crushing it Kellen Moore might be their number one choice might be their number one choice good call I don't talk about that enough Just a thought on Anthony Richardson Could you see a transition to tight end? I don't know if he has the hands for it And the blocking game might be a struggle

But the boy can run He's a menace in the open field In a long-time quarterback I can imagine he has extensive knowledge Of the route trees Wild thought But he has the size He just might not want to do it

Logan Thomas Who was the quarterback at Virginia Tech who got drafted in the NFL as a quarterback made the transition. It was actually pretty good. Terrell Pryor made the transition to wide receiver was pretty good. I mean, obviously, the number one thing, you know, he's not going to be a blocking tight end.

He would be like a, I mean, he would be a flexed out athletic tight end who would be a route guy, right? We're not asking him to be George Kittle here. I just, I don't know about his hands. I mean, does he have, I couldn't even begin to guess. you know, some guys, it's like sometimes you see a guy throw a double pass, you're like, holy shit, he's got a great arm. You're like, oh, yeah, he was a high school quarterback.

And then sometimes you see a double pass, you're like, is that the worst throw I've ever seen? I can't believe they let him throw. It's one of those with, you know, a transitional player. Because I'm with you. If his accuracy is just going to be this, he is so big and athletic and strong that you would have to try another position.

If he could catch, you would say some offensive skill position. If he couldn't, I mean, could he play like outside linebacker? I don't know. I would say that. Even that that is asked, that that is a question mark. November 13th, 2012, Chris Ballard has to just throw up in his mouth. That someone could ask that question and people like could have a conversation about it.

If I would have told him two years ago, not even two years ago, 2003, April, whatever the draft was, 25th, 26th, that within 18 months people are going to be able to have a conversation like could this guy play another position he would throw up in his mouth fall out of his chair aka not make the pick

hey John I gotta say I have grown to love the pod this season I don't think I've missed an episode I don't know how to get mailbag how to get a mailbag question in but I'm curious I work for a search firm and in an executive recruiting, soft skills are the difference and a key factor in a hire.

As a former scout, how much does someone weigh soft skills weigh into your evaluation for the quarterback? That is a good question. I'll be honest. I got to look up the examples of soft skills, just so I... What are seven soft skills? So just cognitive stuff, teamwork, problem solving, communication, critical thinking, time management, interpersonal. So what would a hard skill be in a white-collar job? It would be my question.

Because obviously, you know, a hard skill in football would be your tape and your soft skill would be, I think, what we would consider character, you know, everything from academics to dealing. as a teammate, I would say that is, as a quarterback, it's one, you've got to be able to play. So I'm evaluating you as a player, like, there's a baseline to make it in the NFL. And then once you exceed that baseline, I nitpick you on the film. But once you exceed the baseline of like, this guy's an NFL talent, I would say the soft skills of all the intangible stuff, the critical thinking, being a teammate, uh, personal skills, leadership is the number one thing the scouting department tries to lock down. And it's the number one thing when you are going into these programs, I'm trying to learn about the person,

not the player. Because ultimately, like, let's say my team's going to be drafting in the top 10. And I'm the West Coast Scout or I'm the National Scout. Obviously, my grade on the player is important and for me to have conviction on Shador Sanders. But when it comes to me, and I've gone through Colorado multiple times, and they go, well, let's talk about Shador the kid. I better be able to talk about the person longer than the player. And I've said before, like, that is going to be kind of unique. Now, it might not matter if Deion Sanders gets like the Raider or cowboy job and they draft them. Like the write-up, that's Deion's kid.

but if another team's interested and they're all going to be interested, like I got to know the guy really well. And it's hard to get that information, right? You're using the coaches, you're using the coordinators, you're using the trainers, you're talking to the doctors, you're talking to his teammates, you're talking to the academic people. I mean, hell, you go to town and you start talking to the people that own the bars, people that own the clubs.

You just try to talk to every single human possible about the guy. You know, the longtime athletic department executives that have seen countless other NFL prospects come through, what they think about them. Ultimately, what defines, I mean, clearly there are some players that don't live up to their draft billing because they weren't as talented as you thought, but they still playing the league for a decade.

And what separates, in my opinion, most people that have longevity and success in the NFL would be, again, I'm not as like, locked in with the corporate lingo as the soft skills. I never use that terminology. You know, in the scouting world, we just call it character. You know, in the world I live in, I just say judging a person. I would say that that is a determining factor of most guys.

Intelligence, ability to take football knowledge to the field, work on your football stuff. You know, be addicted to studying the game off-season as well. Obviously, that's also, you know, sometimes I think we make fun of and laugh at tight-end university or the Pass Rush Summit, right? It's like, George Kittles weren't tight-end you and him and Greg Olson. Think how incredible that is that they get Kittle, Travis Kelsey, Greg Olson, all these great tight ends who take all the young guys around the NFL and they just spend three or four days together in Nashville.

Talking ball. Like talking their craft. Same thing with the Pass Rush Summit with Vaughn Miller and Max Crosby. You know, in most of our industries, that's viewed as like an incredible networking event. And a networking event isn't just about meeting other people because ultimately like, if I'm Trey McBride, just knowing George Kittle doesn't change my, but getting to know him and having him teach me how to become a great player improves my career.

It's like knowing Colin and being able to run a question by him or two, if I have one, is a big deal. And I think this stuff's really cool. And in football, you know, when you're not on the team, once the season goes, but in the off season,

like all these guys train together and it's a game changer. Guys, when I was a kid, used to, like, reach out to Jerry Rice about training. They'd want to run the hill. and they'd all fail because that hill would take out a lot of men, except Jerry. And I think Terrell Owens could handle it as well. But I think it's pretty cool. So I think soft skills with quarterbacks, but it's hard.

And I think you would, I would imagine you know this as well. Things you can't quantify, right? If I told you I'm a sales guy, it's like, you know, last year, you know, I'm staying within the same industry. and I can bring my accounts. Like I have $10 million for the business. It's quantifiable. It's like, well, I got $10 million and our company gets to keep 10% of that. So I'm going to bring a million dollars revenue to the table.

Right? Like, that's black and white. But then if I find that guy that's bringing $10 million and $1 million revenue, and let's say I have a small company, that's a huge addition. But I'm like, well, he happens to be the biggest asshole. everyone hates him. No one wants to deal with him besides his clients.

Like he's going to come to the office every day. He's a pain in the ass. Or you could hire this guy. A little younger, not as experienced, but his future, this personality, it's like,

I think this guy can sell quadruple what he's already sold. He's already bringing 500 grand to the table. So he's bringing half as much in revenue, but I believe in this kid. And I think just, you can just tell

he's got, you know, his piss is hot and his hair is on fire and he is ready to roll. And this fucking guy wants it. And I bet on this guy having $2 million in business in five years, right? You project the future. And that's kind of what the draft is. Sometimes you go, yeah, this guy's better right now. But like in the next five years, I believe in this guy.

I think that's part of life. Whether you're hiring people, people you associate with, I think sometimes when you're dating someone, it's about the future. You got to be able to think past tomorrow or next week. And this gets back to talking about coaches like, you want to win the press conference or you want to hire the best coach? Because if you wanted to win the press conference, like you would never hire Dan Campbell.

But I'd say the Lions feel pretty good about that hire. And you just got to have a balance of, and there's unknown. Like obviously there gets to some people just have a better gut feel of what works and what doesn't. And I think a different position. that stuff matters less. Right? Like, I like my defensive lineman to be fucking nuts. It's not a position where I need road scholars.

It's a position of violence. It's a position of, I need people to be a little off their rocker. Right? Same with linebacker. Like, I'm not looking to find Gandhi. Right? But as a kicker, long snapper, and a punter, like, I'm not looking to have any problems. So, your character better be zero. terms of like no issues. Any issues you're gone.

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