The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - No surprises in the Final Four, NFL Draft experience, Caleb Williams had a good season

Episode Date: March 31, 2025

John dives into the NCAA tournament by discussing having all number 1 seeds reaching the Final Four and how the days of seeing major upsets in college sports are essentially over due to NIL and school...s being able to pay players. Next, John does a massive mailbag and answers many of your questions. 4:32 - NCAA Tournament 13:35 - Mailbag 18:51 - Draft experience 20:30 - Lions QB situation 36:01 - How to fix the Cards 38:40 - Caleb Williams needs more respect 48:05 - Raiders and home field advantage Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:46 the final four is set, and it is four number one seats. And I was thinking today, when I was just sitting in the sauna, getting a good soak, getting all the toxins out of my body, that, you know, if you think about the college football final four, was Texas versus Ohio State and Penn State against Notre Dame. And listen, I got my start in this business, not technically this business, but in the sports world at Fresnel. no state. A small school, a little underdog. We will play anybody, anytime, anywhere. And a school
Starting point is 00:05:19 that first had aspirations of making it to a BCS game. And ultimately, Boise State was able to do it. And people have followed since. You know, other small school programs have, I would say, made huge impacts over the last 15, 10 years. Basketball, obviously, we have had a ton of Cinderella's make runs into the elite eight. And I would say over the course of my adult life, the last 20 years, a ton making it to the final four. I mean, San Diego State made a run. VCU.
Starting point is 00:05:50 I mean, it's Butler with Brad Stevens. Those days are over. And like, people are going to complain about it. And we talked about it. I think earlier last week about the transfer portal, I think Ice Cube had a line called Big Bank, Take Little Bank. there's always been a huge advantage for Duke basketball, Kentucky basketball, Alabama football, Michigan, Ohio State football. Like they've always had the advantage over VCU or Butler or Boise State at football or San Diego State or Fresno State.
Starting point is 00:06:25 The only thing that's changed is now they don't even need to hide the ability to brown bag the players because they give them a 1099, which has several zeros on it. and they can take your player whenever they want. So listen, I'm not against the little guy. I went to small schools. Like I went to Cal Poly. I didn't go to USC or Oregon. But when I sit on my couch, even when I was at Cal Poly,
Starting point is 00:06:52 we watched Texas against USC. Like I've always said, I watch Pro Sports to watch Tiger Woods, Tom Brady, Steph Curry. Like, I'm not watching it to watch the overachieving random guy. Fun story every once in a while, but we turn it on for Patrick Mahomes and the Watt brothers and the Manning brothers. That's why we tune in.
Starting point is 00:07:14 And let's face it, college basketball and college football has kind of always been like that as well. The reason the SEC is so dominant now was because of 15 years of Nick Sabin, a rising tide lifts all boats, created such a demand for the other programs to keep up economically. the interest in the sport got so big and the money they get from television is bigger than all the other conferences. So they have more money to pay the other coaches. And once you start paying the other coaches,
Starting point is 00:07:43 the expectations is to win and now with NIL, it has expanded. And I think that we just need to get used to, obviously in the NCAA tournament, there are going to be some random upsets. It's a one game scenario. So it's not like for the next 10 years, get ready for like 90% of the time
Starting point is 00:08:01 it's going to be four number one seats. Or it's just going to be Texas, Ohio State, and Notre Dame every single year. That's not going to be the case. But it's going to happen way more often than not. So if you're a fan of the little guy, if you went to one of those smaller schools, I hate to break it to you, you're fucked.
Starting point is 00:08:21 It's even the slim, slim hope you ever had. And I remember when I was at Fresno State, we were in the whack, and we're like, God, if boys it could just get their show, give Boise their shot and then they would get in some of the BCS games and they would like put them against TCU who at the time was also
Starting point is 00:08:38 not in the Big 12 right so like they were some power program it's like why don't these schools ever get the shot because they don't want them to get the shot they want a monopoly on the money and now they got a monopoly on the players because the the Ashton Genty situation
Starting point is 00:08:57 where he could have transferred we don't know the exact schools I bet people in the NFL have been told when they've interviewed them. You know, the schools that were offering you seven figures and he just took $300,000 to stay at Boise, like that is, that's going to be an outlier example. Steph Curry's breakout to the country happened when he was a sophomore in college. He came back and played another year at Davidson. That player, obviously, he was unique.
Starting point is 00:09:25 His dad was an NBA player, but I'm just saying the next Steph Curry, the next John Morant, the next smaller school guy, is going to transfer. And that school is just kind of screwed. And they just become like a minor league feeder system. I saw it when I lived in the Bay Area with the Oakland A's, who are now the Sacramento A's, who actually I think might be pretty good. They didn't spend any money, but they could pick out talent better than any team probably in the league.
Starting point is 00:09:52 And Billy Bean has had like, maybe not six, but like four or five iterations of play. team with different core groups of players over like 20 years. Because every three or four years, he has to sell. Because those guys are getting close to getting paid and he has to restart the cycle. But like they just acted as the feeder system for the Yankees, for the Red Sox, for the Cardinals, for the A's, and for the Giants. It doesn't mean all those players always worked out when they left. But for the most part, like those teams circled the drain when they realized like it's over
Starting point is 00:10:28 for this group of guys, and then they would have to sell. And that's kind of what the smaller basketball programs are. That's definitely what the smaller football programs are. But it's not even just the San Diego States and Boise States or VCUs and butlers. It's like the second and third tier programs in their own conference. Like if you're Alabama or LSU or Georgia and you play Mississippi State and you go, God, they got Darius Slay or Fletcher Cox.
Starting point is 00:10:57 And it's pretty clear, like, their second year, like, this guy's, it's going to be like a top 50 draft pick. This guy could be a first rounder. The latest day two, you're recruiting them. And right now, there aren't really rules. And even when those rules get instituted, like, who's actually instituting the rules? The NCAA, does anyone respect them anymore? Is anyone listening to them? And I just think this situation really, really benefits the big dogs.
Starting point is 00:11:26 and obviously if you have a high level coach means you're paying him a lot of money and a big collective, you're going to have massive advantages. You've had them and it's only going to grow and grow moving forward. And even when they set a salary cap based on the television revenue, this is not the pros,
Starting point is 00:11:46 where it's like Andy Reid and Clark Hunt don't need to worry about who Patrick Mahomes is in business with off the field. He's just his agent, his marketing team will all state, Oakley, like, they'll just handle all that. In college, like, the huge advantage is going to be for Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, like, we'll give you, you know, whatever your salary cap number is. I'm just going to pick a random. Like, we really want you to play for Texas. Here's $450,000.
Starting point is 00:12:17 And we also can get double that number by getting you these three deals. And they're going to try to, like, I think separate church and state. where it's like the programs no longer have to do with NIL bullshit. That's going to be a huge advantage for the big boys. So listen, it is what it is. And money always creeps in. We live in America. And people have been clamoring for this.
Starting point is 00:12:44 You know, the media has led this charge for a long time. And wherever it started to go where, listen, these guys deserve to be paid, it was always going to benefit the big dogs and the big conferences. and the big schools. And it's pretty evident that, like, that's going to be the case. I think it was four ones, three- twos, and a three in the elite eight. I mean, look at who was in the college football playoffs. It's going to be the same group of, we take 12 teams.
Starting point is 00:13:13 They basically automatically take a Boise State program so they don't get sued. So there's basically 11 other slots. I would say it's going to be the same 18 to 20 teams for those. 11 spots for the next five or six years. Occasionally we'll have a random Indiana. But Indiana didn't come from like some rant. It came from, I think most people agree, the second best football conference.
Starting point is 00:13:39 And you could argue this year was the best football conference. But yeah, I feel for the little guy because they're done so. Okay, let's do some mailbag questions. For the pod, listen to you and it seems real hypocritical to say the Patriots and Drake May are overhyped. Vrable was dragging the Titans and Ryan Taneyhill to a one seed. He's a good coach and his system works. Drake May's rookie season stats are better than Josh Allen's rookie numbers
Starting point is 00:14:06 and the team record is pretty comparable. Dick's contract is $26 million guaranteed is minimal, especially for someone you hope, is your wide receiver too. I think it's BS to say very many people are talking about them as a playoff team, but all the elements of the chargers to the five seed are present at the Patriots draft well. Most people at best are thinking eight, nine wins their ceiling this year. If I remember correct, I was asked that question by someone telling me that they thought they were overhyped.
Starting point is 00:14:38 And my take was, I'm pro Vrable, and I'm with you. He's got a lot of harbaw parallels. But comparing Drake May going into his second year to like Josh Allen, I mean, Josh Allen's the league MVP and one of the best players, not just in the league, but one of the most talented players we've ever seen. and, I mean, has dominated the division since Brady left, and it hasn't even been close. I mean, last year, what? Did they get a hat and teacher game, like December 1st? Like, it's not even a fair fight.
Starting point is 00:15:05 They have become what the Patriots were for 20 years in the AFC East. There is no competition. But you compared him to Harbaugh and Drake May. I think just, or Harbaugh and Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert as a rookie, and again, he has a rookie. And again, I'm not comparing the cast of characters they each played with, but I'm pretty sure, like she said, a rookie record. I think he threw over 30 touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:15:32 Drake May last year was like 15 and 10. I'm not anti-Drake May. I'm a huge fan. He's the type guy that I love drafting in the top five in the draft. Swing for the fences. But there's no guarantee he's going to be Josh Allen. Even Justin Herbert is widely considered by people in the NFL. as a lock top five quarterback.
Starting point is 00:15:56 So like, and he was viewed that way pretty quickly. Drake May, a lot like Caleb, there's just a lot of, I would say, hope. Rightfully so. Big arm, a lot of talent. Obviously, Drake's bigger than Caleb. But that's what it is. It's hope. You actually got to do it.
Starting point is 00:16:16 Ryan Tanny Hill had been a long time starter in Miami before Vrable resurrected his career. So there was a lot of experience. And I'm pretty sure hadn't Tanyhill, I think he made the playoffs one year. Might have tore his ACL that year and then I think Matt Moore ended up starting in the playoffs. But I think some of your comparisons, Vravel's a stud. Stefan Diggs? Like, I'm sorry, the Stefan Diggs thing is kind of crazy. He has a torn ACL.
Starting point is 00:16:47 Like, he tore his ACL. Now, I don't blame. The Patriots are desperate. They got to give their money to somebody. Crafts have been so cheap, they got to meet the salary floor. But I don't know, man. I'm not acting like they're going to suck either. But the five seed, I think that's kind of crazy.
Starting point is 00:17:07 Are the Yankees already cheating? 32 runs in two games. Money ball? Nah, money bats. I love the torpedo bat. This is just what baseball needs. You know, people, it's funny. And now ESPN dropped baseball, Manfred, and, and, and,
Starting point is 00:17:24 ESPN were going back and forth. They've talked a lot of shit back and forth. And everyone acts like baseball is just some irrelevant sport, yet, you know, the NBA finals haven't sniffed what the World Series did last year in a long, long time. I actually think baseball is more popular than the perception of it. Now, this is coming from a guy who doesn't watch much baseball anymore until the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:17:51 But I do think the way it's discussed, is different than its reality. And the Yankees and the Dodgers are a really big deal. You know, and I mean a really big deal. And if Aaron Judge got to use a torpedo bat to hit 80 home runs, I'm an Aaron Judge guy. Fresno State from the Valley and Cali. So I'm rooting for these Yankees to just bomb it away with these torpedo bats.
Starting point is 00:18:16 I think I saw a headline that Brewer's manager said nothing will happen to them because it's the Yankees. Type story baseball needs, really. And also, being the Yankees is important. The only two teams, like, if it was just like the white socks using the torpedoes, or the, I don't know, just some random team, like the Diamondbacks or the Rockies, I just don't think anyone would care. But it's the Yankees, and it's Aaron Judge, hitting just bombs. I think he hit a home run this morning.
Starting point is 00:18:49 I saw when I was laying on the couch watching a little television when I got up, drinking my coffee. You know, they played early in the morning. And I think it's his fourth home ride. He's on pace for a lot. Hey, John, I'd like to hear your perspective on your experience. Have you attended the NFL draft? If so, what was it like? What are some must do experiences for a first time attendee? Any tips for getting the best fan experience? I've attended it one time. And that was my first year in Philly. But it was at Radio City musical. So, you know, I don't even think they have this anymore.
Starting point is 00:19:29 But remember at Radio City, for those of you old enough, I mean, it's been a traveling circus now. I don't know. It feels like a decade, maybe a little less, eight years. Every team had those tables with the helmet and then you would write on the card and hand it to the guy. So it's like, you know, you draft, hey, I'm drafting Shador Sanders and you write the name and then you'd write New York Giants.
Starting point is 00:19:50 And the New York Giants team would hand it to the guy in the NFL. I got to do that my first year. It was pretty cool. And it was, it was an elite draft. It was Cam Newton's draft, JJ Watt, Julio, A.J. Green,
Starting point is 00:20:04 Alden Smith, Tyron Smith. I mean, it was, I remember taking a leak and I had to go behind because the bathroom and you had to go to the front or kind of go behind
Starting point is 00:20:13 where the green room was. So I was in the green room. I remember I saw Cam walking around. I'm like, holy shit, this guy's huge. And I think I peed next to, it was either
Starting point is 00:20:23 AJ or Julio a long time ago. But that is not the experience of what you guys do now. So I can't give advice on what these are like. I don't know. It does feel kind of like a zoo with everything going on, though. For the mailbag. Huge fan of the program. A couple questions for you.
Starting point is 00:20:46 Big Lions fan. Diehard Lions fan. Is Jared Goff the guy that will get it done? do we go all in this year as in we get a big trade somewhere it's just hard when we have so many contracts going to be up so soon Hutchinson Jamo Gibbs
Starting point is 00:21:02 I don't know if Jamos Jamos getting paid or do we keep drafting like we do that's a good question I think you know if Aiden Hutchson which I was watching you know I'm a sicko I watched probably an hour on
Starting point is 00:21:18 YouTube the NFLPA golf tournament and the Lions had a team and Aidan Hutchison was there and I was like God he looks pretty good like his you know the leg I don't think they were lying when they said if they made the Super Bowl he could have played I guess
Starting point is 00:21:34 it was just a shattered leg you had sauce Gardner using the long putter I mean you talk about that guy's a junkie I was I was enthralled by the NFLPA golf tournament at it was in Mexico no brain or trip if you're in the
Starting point is 00:21:50 league and you play golf. Wait, you just get a free trip by the PA to Mexico. I play golf a couple days. I bring my girlfriend or wife. It was a mix of you. I mean, Thielen was there. Thielen was actually on Minnesota's team with like Harrison Smith, Harrison Phillips, and Hawkinson. They actually had a pretty good little squad. But the Lions, I don't know why I got off on that tangent. But, oh yeah, you guys had a squad as well. Hutchinson was playing. to me the trade always was going to be like could you get Miles Garrett could you get Max Crosby? Like it was worth doing something like that.
Starting point is 00:22:31 That guy doesn't exist. You're not going to do it. And you just keep drafting. But it does get difficult to draft when you draft in the late 20s every year. You know, it's much easier to get Aiden Hutchison when you're drafted in the top 10, top 5, 2. It's much easier to draft when. you can trade from 6 to 12 and get Jemir Gibbs and Laporta.
Starting point is 00:22:56 It does get more difficult. You know, listen, everyone's shit on Belichick. But when you start rattling off Super Bowls, it's hard to draft. It's like, why can't Andy Reed find a tackle? I don't know, he drafts 31 or 32 every year. You try to find Trent Williams to pick 31. Godspeed.
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Starting point is 00:24:53 We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember.
Starting point is 00:25:09 I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas.
Starting point is 00:25:29 And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite.
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Starting point is 00:27:49 You need to tell me what you know. Is somebody coming? after me. Jacob told Levan, you're ruining my life. Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I heard you on a recent podcast answering a mailback question regarding career mentioning going door to door sometimes and that got me thinking. I am currently a 32 year old and I live in South Florida, Fort Lauderdale. Sneaky, great place. after finally having a wake-up call and realizing I need to figure out what I want out of life
Starting point is 00:28:35 I'm currently trying to decide my next step I'm in a job I don't like at all and was denied a promotion fuckers but my experience beside a bachelor's in business management is just dead-end customer service jobs I currently have all the willpower and motivation to attack something head on and start making some money but I'm just having trouble figuring out what. I have bills to pay, and my current job doesn't pay enough, so I'm trying to find a second job, or a full-time job that pays more.
Starting point is 00:29:09 Any advice? Well, I can't relate to, like, the only thing I've ever done is what I wanted to do, and that was from the jump. You know, I kind of figured out in college, like I can't just take random jobs. I'll hate them. I'll suck. I'm not smart enough to kind of fake it.
Starting point is 00:29:26 I had to do. So I've never worked in something, that I didn't like. Now, it doesn't mean I liked it every day, but I've always done things that I like. So I can't relate to that part. But I can relate to the part of feeling lost. I mean, I've been fired and didn't have a job after the Eagles in 2013.
Starting point is 00:29:47 And I was 29 years old. And I just didn't even know. It's like, I'm probably not going to get another NFL job. I'm not going to move. I didn't know that many people in the league. I only worked at one spot. It was like, what am I going to do? and I just went to coffee shops and kind of figured it out.
Starting point is 00:30:02 I didn't have any money coming in. It's not like I wasn't one of these fired coaches. Like my contract ended and it was just over. And then it happened to me again in radio. Now, I had a little severance there, so I had a couple weeks or a couple months to figure it out. But sometimes you just need to go to the drawing board. And for you, like if your job isn't even paying the bills
Starting point is 00:30:22 and you fucking hate it, I mean, you're 32. I take you you don't have kids or anything. I would recognize. recommend just quitting. Now, figuring out what you want to do, like, that's, you got to figure that out. But I do think if you despise your job and it is not paying the bills, the amount of time that you've given to that job, like time's the most valuable asset we all have. So if you are giving, let's just say, let's say it's a 40 hour work week, you're giving them 40 hours that you could be allocating to do other stuff, try to figure out what you want to do, start getting in front of other people,
Starting point is 00:30:59 emailing people, whatever, just go all in for like a month. Like, that's a lot of time you're giving up for something that you're still in the red on. So my advice would be maybe over a month to keep doing the job and really kind of map out a plan of some things and some career paths that you would entertain doing or that might bring you some more joy. I mean, there is a little like trial and error. good thing is you're young like you're 32 years old now for Latterdale I'm pretty sure it's a pretty expensive place to live
Starting point is 00:31:30 so obviously you know I'm sure like you said you want money I think we all do I didn't start making any significant money until I was 35 years old I mean I was basically a month to month paycheck to paycheck guy for well over a decade after graduating college so it's like like it's much more important I From my perspective, to find out what you like doing, because when you find out what you like doing, you're more likely to be good at that
Starting point is 00:32:01 and spend more time and dedicate toward that. And with that, can come money. Not guaranteed. But it gives yourself a better chance. Yeah, I would at least for a couple weeks, kind of map out a plan, might have to be after work, and then potentially just say, I'm out.
Starting point is 00:32:23 I mean, why do you want to do something that you hate, that you're going nowhere and it's not paying you any money? And I think part of it, and listen, again, I've been fired twice. Contract not renewed once, but other time, definitely fired. Escorted out of the building. HR. Not because there was a scene. It's just company protocol. It's the best thing that's ever happened to me.
Starting point is 00:32:45 By far. Because it puts the urgency. Sometimes urgency is really healthy. I wouldn't trade those two moments in my life for anything professionally. I've noticed a lot of podcast channels such as yours and no laying up really push their YouTube channels and try to drive traffic. I assume that's because YouTube offers different revenue streams in addition to the podcast. But what is the difference or the benefit of YouTube versus the podcast? That has podcasts starting YouTube channels and pushing subscribers there.
Starting point is 00:33:21 Well, there are a couple elements. One, YouTube, it's not like Apple pays, right, to host the podcast. YouTube, whatever, any content you throw up, if you get people to watch, there's a revenue split there. There are also, unlike podcasts, most of you that I would imagine that listen to me found me in some former fashion through Colin Coward, right? maybe you found me through his distribution channel on his Apple or Spotify. Maybe you've listened to me when I go on with him, you know, however many 30 weeks a year on Sundays. So you found me in that direction, which is a powerful thing, right? Someone to be discovered.
Starting point is 00:34:04 I would say the hardest thing in the content world of podcasting would be the ability to get seen by others. there are, I don't know the number, but I would imagine a large or decent, there are people out there, let's just say, who are excellent and entertaining. Podcasts that I would love. Let's just use myself. Podcasts that I would 100% listen to. Maybe on sports, maybe on finance, maybe on whatever. If you just said, hey, John, listen to this. I'm like, holy shit, this is great.
Starting point is 00:34:36 But I'll never find them because how are they ever going to get in front of me as a consumer? well YouTube like originally Twitter Instagram there used to be this organic reach I think TikTok definitely has that more now than those two and it's hard to get in front of other people where YouTube has the algorithm and the ability to be seen by a lot of people so it's like if I do a Sunday night podcast
Starting point is 00:35:03 on Lions Vikings and it's a huge show for the podcast let's say you know 100,000 people listen. Well, if another 50,000 people watch on YouTube, it's kind of important. So you were getting 50% higher audience. Let's pick a smaller number.
Starting point is 00:35:23 Let's say you have 1,000 people listening to your podcast. And then, you know, you put it on YouTube and 5,000 people see. So you just 5x the eyeballs and then it's all interconnected. YouTube is extremely important to the landscape. because that's where the consumer is. I can speak for myself. I consume a ton of YouTube. I told someone the other day, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:35:46 you know what? I don't really go on Twitter as much anymore. I do work stuff on it sometimes during the day when I'm looking for topics. But like my days of just scrolling, I don't want to say are over, but like I don't have it on my phone. I have been on maybe for the last three days
Starting point is 00:36:05 since Friday, maybe twice. Like I just don't, go on it very much. But I've gone on YouTube, whether it's on my phone or at my desk, I don't know, 30 times. I mean, I go on it a ton. So I think there's just, it's just a powerful distribution product, which won't last forever. But while it's going, you're just crazy not to go on it. I mean, that's where the consumer is.
Starting point is 00:36:35 Reaching out for the mailbag. I wanted to say congrats on the wedding. I'm engaged as well. and grew up in the Scottsdale area. I want to hear thoughts on how to fix the Cardinals. They suck every year. And it seems like there's no hope for the foreseeable future. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what to tell you.
Starting point is 00:36:53 We had a guy on the mailbag, I think, last week, hit me with an email that just crushed Bidwells. They have more losses in the history of the NFL for a reason. I mean, it's the Bidwell family. At the end of the day, the Bidwell family, Their resume speaks for itself. Now listen, you know, they say the first generation builds it, the second generation profits from it.
Starting point is 00:37:22 That might have screwed up the second generation, but the third one definitely ruins it. Pretty sure Michael's the third one. And I've always defended Mark Davis on this. He really tries. And he spent huge money a couple times and it's blown up in his face, but he tries. He gave $100 million to John Gruden
Starting point is 00:37:40 because all he ever wanted was John Gruden just to run everything and just be good. That blew up in his face. He then goes higher as Josh McDaniels, who again, turns out he's a scam artist as a head coach. He turns into like a different human being. But I totally understood why he did it. A lot of teams would have.
Starting point is 00:37:59 A lot of teams have tried to hire Josh. Indy, the Niners, like he ain't alone. And it blew up in his face. And then again, he's like, hey Tom, can you just come in here and run it? Has Michael Bidwell ever done it? Anything like that? Too cheap.
Starting point is 00:38:14 So I just think the Cardinals, my buddies with Philly, they really like Jonathan Gannon. I met him two years ago at the Combine. Seemed like a cool dude. I think his staff pretty impressive. The bald offensive coordinator. The young defensive,
Starting point is 00:38:32 I think his name's Petzing and Rawlis is the D-Corpsator. One of them's like 38. The other guy's like 33. I think they're impressive. I think he's got like an impressive head coach, coordinator, three young guys who are just good, who are like, I don't know if they're, you know, Gannon's like a lifetime head coach,
Starting point is 00:38:50 but he's going to be an NFL coach for a long time coordinator. The other two guys are just clearly pretty intriguing coaching prospects. But it's hard to overcome the owner. It really is. And it's kind of a formula now that we've seen in pro sports. Like you just don't overcome them when they're cheap. Congrats on getting married. Question for the bag.
Starting point is 00:39:16 How come you don't think Caleb Williams played well last season? He threw for 3,500 yards, 20 touchdowns, and only six picks. He by far is the best rookie Bears quarterback that I have ever seen, and I'm in my late 30s. I know that Jaden Daniels had a phenomenal rookie year, as did Bo Nix. Caleb still played great despite bad coaching. When I say didn't play well. in the first half of games, when you guys had your 10 game losing streak, I don't have every, you know, a notebook compiled of like a breakdown here.
Starting point is 00:39:54 He was not good in a lot of those games. And then you guys were constantly, for at least a month stretch, there was like a four or five game stretch where you were down 18 to nothing, 20 to nothing, 25 to nothing, at half in every game. So you were down three plus scores with 30 minutes left in the game. if I'm on the other team and I'm kicking your ass, like I game planned against you and I dominated you. And he was not good in those moments,
Starting point is 00:40:23 as was the team. I'm not just putting it on him, but he wasn't good. And then he would throw touchdowns in the second half of games. And for the most part, the game was never in question. So it was somewhat, like those statutes just gave me,
Starting point is 00:40:39 were compiled in blowouts, a lot of them. Nothing wrong with it. It's like that's what shitty teams, do. Right in the six interceptions, I guess big picture is like, okay, cool. Like, I need a guy pushing the envelope a little bit. Again,
Starting point is 00:40:54 talented player. But to judge anything off last season based on he's going to be some, I say the same thing about Drake May. I don't know. Hope so. I'm rooting for those two guys. But based on their rookie season, besides physical characteristics,
Starting point is 00:41:11 you would basically have to evaluate him just like a draft prospect. see a lot of skills. But just in terms of, like, can they play the game? In a tight game, game planned against a good team, when your team's good, I don't know. Time will tell. I'm intrigued. I mean, it's two of the better stories in the NFL in 2025.
Starting point is 00:41:31 How good are Caleb Williams and Drake May? I put them both under the same category. But you're just throwing out stats. He played well. Bullshit. In big games, big games would be strong. You guys weren't playing in big games. but as a season went on,
Starting point is 00:41:46 it just wasn't good in the first half. Compiled me those stats and given to me. What were his first half numbers compared to the second half numbers? I'm a die-hard Packer fan. This is from Austin. And after the 23-24 season, I was beyond hopeful about the potential. Last year, while we made the playoffs,
Starting point is 00:42:04 it seemed as though the offense regressed. While the defense was solid, much different than the traditional Packer teams of my lifetime. I agree. The defense has always been the weak point. Where do you see the team's trajectory in the future? Jordan Love is very talented, but seems to get in his own way at times,
Starting point is 00:42:25 would love to get your insight. If the Packers were a stock right now, obviously what they were going into last season, let's just pick a number. Let's say they were a $50 stock heading into 2024, where a year previously they were probably 10. I would say the stock has definitely dimmed. And let's just say, I got cut in half.
Starting point is 00:42:48 It's 25 bucks. I guess 10 to 50 would be like 30. I would buy. I think the package are going to be good. Now, I'm bullish on Jordan Love, but he's my type quarterback, very physically gifted. 100%. He has moments where you're like, what is going on?
Starting point is 00:43:05 I do think when a younger player gets dinged up, it kind of threw off his whole season. And obviously you're wide receivers, you guys had some injuries, but you have an offensive coach who knows the Shanahan scheme and like, you know, he's molded into his own scheme. Like, that's his baby.
Starting point is 00:43:28 And he's proven, like, he's a good offensive coach. He's proven it. So it's like that side of the ball, I feel it's going to be okay. Honestly, his games last year with Malik Willis were incredible. I think I put like $500 against you guys.
Starting point is 00:43:48 You guys play the Titans? Whoever you played week two, I'm like, Malik Will, this is going to be a disaster. And he had like one of his great offensive game plans I've ever seen with Malik Willis. But if your defense is good, you guys are going to be okay.
Starting point is 00:44:07 I promise. I have a lot of faith in the Packers. organization speaks for itself. And again, my faith is just maybe based on history, based on liking the quarterback, but I think you guys are going to be okay. I find it surprising the Dolphins have not touched the Tua contract to free up more cab space. And no free agent they signed has guaranteed money next year. Do you think this is a sign of a total collapse if things don't go right? And that if the right move for the franchise considering they had some sort of success
Starting point is 00:44:44 recently, even if it's just a wild card. To me, you just got to write out to it. I don't think you convert signing bonus. You just write it out. And you paid them last year, so this, usually these contracts, three years. It's just, so you're, year one of, you got two more. Just kind of write it out. I don't think under any circumstances, you can mess with it.
Starting point is 00:45:16 I just don't think you can. I'm pulling up his contract right now. So your potential out... Yes, is in two years. You could cut them for cot. 34 million dead cap. I still think that contract was pretty nuts. And we've seen a lot of nutty things, but holy canoli.
Starting point is 00:45:44 Big fan, I believe. that if Justin Herbert and Jalen Hurts swap teams, in the 20 draft, Jalen would have led the Chargers to a playoff victory by now. What do you think? I believe there has been too many excuses made for Herbert, and I think Jalen's ability to win in any circumstance is underrated. Yeah, I mean, there's no disputing Herbert's playoff game.
Starting point is 00:46:12 What was it? Against the Texans. as bad of a game as you'll see. I do believe this. I'm not trying to hate on the guy because you play like that in big moments. Jalen's a bright lights guy. He's like Jimmy Butler.
Starting point is 00:46:27 It's like you watch him some games. You're like, what the hell's going on with Jimmy Butler? It's like, oh, playoff Jimmy. Get ready for the playoffs. That's where Jimmy comes. That's what everyone in Golden States holding out for. It's like he'll start dropping 35 in playoff games. Maybe he will, maybe won't.
Starting point is 00:46:42 But he's done it before. And it's like even when he's coasting, you just have faith. And say what you want about Jalen in some biggest games of his life, fucking guys come through. And Herbert has not. I can't dispute you there.
Starting point is 00:46:57 But if I pulled 32 teams in the NFL, Haley and Jeffrey would be loyal to him, 31 teams, not in the Eagles. I think every single one choose Justin Herbert over Jalen Hurts. Every single one. Question for the bag. With NIL, are top agents like Drew Rosenhaus working to get in with college athletes?
Starting point is 00:47:21 If not, seems like a missed opportunity. I would imagine they are... I mean, Rosenhaus has Abdul Carter. So, I mean, I think the top dogs get the top guys. NIL is more of like a... I feel like more marketing guys, but maybe I'm wrong. From what I've heard, it's a lot of parents. The NIL is...
Starting point is 00:47:44 It's not, if you think Drew Rosenhouse, beside Abdul Carter and the occasional big guy is talking to, like, college GMs about some sophomore getting $200,000, I just doubt he is. Now, once you're Abdul Carter, where Rosenhaus really gets involved is when you're a clear big dog. Jalen Carter, Abdul Carter, you know, I mean, once you're going to be a cash cow. A lot of guys making NIL money are not then going to become great players. We see it all the time. Now, should Rosenhaus have jumped all over, I don't know who has Cam Ward,
Starting point is 00:48:27 I don't think Drew does. If he does, it's a genius. I mean, it's right in his backyard. But, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'd have to text people in college to know exactly how that's going down. Do you think the Raiders can ever get back to a point where the home field is an advantage again?
Starting point is 00:48:43 A couple years ago, went to a Vegas game in Vegas for the first time and it felt like 70% Steelers fans. Pete Carroll talked about it in his first press conference about the fans needing to do their part showing up. But it just doesn't seem realistic. Do you think they have relocated to new cities? Do teams that have relocated to new cities and had success like the Rams still struggle with opposing fan attendance at home games?
Starting point is 00:49:11 Does this improve over time? or could Vegas just be a unique situation? Well, the Rams do battle when the Niners come there. Why? Because a large percentage of Niners live in Southern California, same with Raiders, and the Rams weren't there for 25 years.
Starting point is 00:49:29 So I think there are unique situations. I would say, the Steelers are an outlier team. They travel, I would say, them and the Packers, travel as well as anybody. I mean, I've seen them against the Niners. I've seen them against the Eagles.
Starting point is 00:49:44 I've seen them against the Raiders. And it feels like a Steelers' home game when you see the Steelers. And I would say somewhat similar for the Packers sometimes. I would say the Vegas thing is a little bit of an outlier situation. Because it's an easy trip. Three of your games every year. So whether you have eight games or nine games, three of those eight or nine are going to be Denver, very close.
Starting point is 00:50:06 Kansas City, extremely close. Chargers. I guess Denver's extremely close. Chargers extremely close. Kansas City, not far away. just did an excuse to go to Vegas and enjoy. Now, winning matters. Like, the reason the Yankees are the biggest brand in baseball,
Starting point is 00:50:24 even bigger than the Dodgers, they've won like 28 World Series, 27 World Series. They have been good for every generation. Cowboys, I don't know how they're so big, but it goes back to the 70s and the 90s. They just have a huge fan base. The Lakers. Why are they the biggest NBA brand?
Starting point is 00:50:44 They've won the most. Raider fans, and I used to see this when I was in the Bay Area, and you know if you're a Bay Area guy, there was always this tension between the Niners and the Raiders. And it was like, it felt like one was at the top of the penthouse and the other was, you know, I don't want to say the outhouse, but not viewed as an equal. Financially, definitely.
Starting point is 00:51:09 And there was like this little brother syndrome. and it was like, yeah, the Niners won five Super Bowls in 15 years. Like, it kind of mattered. In the Bay Area, when you guys were not here. So it was like, the reason they have way more fans in Northern California in 2025 is because they won five Super Bowls, so they had generations, you guys were gone. And then over the last 15 years, they've been to like four Super Bowls or three Super Bowl. in like six NFC championship games.
Starting point is 00:51:45 The business model of pro sports is not that complicated. When and people will come. What they say in build it and people will come? It's no different sports. When and people will come. The Warriors, up until Steph Curry, my entire life, beside like a couple seasons here and there, were a joke.
Starting point is 00:52:08 Were the Sacramento Kings just in Oakland. And then Steph Curry came. Draymond, Clay, and then Kevin Durant. And they've become one of the most valuable franchises in sports in a decade. Well, they've won a bunch of championships. So it's just like, if you guys win, you're never going to have the home field advantage of the Eagles or the Packers. It's never going to happen. Or the Chiefs.
Starting point is 00:52:41 Or the Broncos. But can it be better than it is now? 100%. in 20 years, if you win, the guy that's 10, 12, 15 years old might start liking you and gravitate toward you. And then when he's 30 or 40 years old, making money, family, he gets season tickets.
Starting point is 00:53:01 It's a big, his company buys a suite. Instead of just all the suite holders are just the casinos, who just no one even get, I can't tell you, the people in my life that are huge gamblers, that have been offered tickets because that's what the casinos do. They take care of the people that give them money. Most people I know that have gone,
Starting point is 00:53:26 that aren't Raider fans, have gone through like business situations or just to check it out. So it takes time. You know, it does. I think you just got to win. You just got to win. It's really that simple.
Starting point is 00:53:45 You just got to win. And the history of the Raiders, which is cool and it's like I've been a part of it in a way like the radio station we had was partners with them and I'm a nineer guy but got to see it and I love football so it's a powerful feeling of like the just the Kenny Stablers the Howie Longs the Ray guy it's just Al Davis John Madden I mean it's the history there but it's 2025 none of that shit matters today It's like, can you win nine games? That's the only thing that matters.
Starting point is 00:54:29 Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, dude? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a...
Starting point is 00:54:40 We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should. call it. We were thinking I'm originally calling it
Starting point is 00:54:58 one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little
Starting point is 00:55:14 notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy,
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Starting point is 00:57:18 When Jacob met Levan this went to a billion-dollar fraud. But with two kings from entirely different worlds, just how long can their empire survive? The largest tax investigation in American history. You need to tell me what you know. Is somebody coming after me? Jacob told Levan, you're ruining my life. Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What teams are you most excited to see draft this year?
Starting point is 00:58:00 We talk about the top five picks, but are there other teams and positions you're stoked to see? I do wonder if the Steelers or the Rams will take a quarterback in the first round. Is there a chance that the Rams take a quarterback, or that's the first couple rounds? Like a team that is a playoff team draft a quarterback high. Let's just assume Shador goes to the Giants. and obviously Cam Ward goes to Titans.
Starting point is 00:58:31 Where do the next couple quarterbacks come and go? I do think eventually like the chiefs are going to take quarterback. Not because they'll replace Patrick Holmes, but historically Andy, who learned from the Packers, like you take quarterbacks all the time. I can see them like in the third round, just have a sweet backup quarterback. I guess they just signed Minchu.
Starting point is 00:58:52 Maybe they won't. Maybe that's just not going to be their business anymore. But that was always the Eagles thing. I think I saw Howie say something recently was like no team in the history of football has ever benefited more from the backup quarterback than us. Obviously he's got two Super Bowl rings with backup quarterbacks. Foles for Wence and then Jalen who was the backup
Starting point is 00:59:12 takes over for Wence, kicks his ass out of town. And back in the Andy days, they won, McNabb got hurt a bunch of times and they had backup quarterbacks come in and win. Michael Vick was a backup quarterback when he had his breakout season in 2010. So you can't sleep on the backup quarterback. Do you think the Buccaneers are underrated as a franchise?
Starting point is 00:59:34 It seems every year the media is picking the Saints or the Falcons to win the division, yet we've won the division four straight years, and before that we won a Super Bowl as a wild card. Personally, I think we're significantly better than those teams, but maybe I'm just a homer. Curious your thoughts on the team as a whole, as well. Also, is Tristan Worse, the best tackle in the NFL?
Starting point is 00:59:56 On the tackle thing, I mean, when we're talking like the best of the best, I'd have to text like some pro personnel guys that grade all these guys to go, who's the best tackle? I'd imagine he'd be pretty high. I mean, it'd be a short list.
Starting point is 01:00:11 Best left tackle in the NFL. You know, Derisaw got hurt. Malada would be up there. Trent Williams got hurt. Yeah, I mean, he'd be near the top. If not the top. Anytime you just go, we got one of the best left tackles in the league,
Starting point is 01:00:24 you're going great shape. Yeah, I mean, I think there's something about your division. It's not viewed very highly, which hurts you. Like when you're really good in the NFC East, you're just going to get a lot of credit. When you're really good in certain divisions, the AFC North, the NFC North, we just talk about those divisions a lot. We just don't talk that much about the AFC and NFC South. We honestly talk more about college football than that, but there is no disputing. the Buccaneers.
Starting point is 01:00:56 Jason Light is easily one of the best GMs in the league. Was like 46 of your 53 guys in the roster last year were drafted players. Your quarterback was, you originally got for under $5 million on the roster, and it's resurrected his career. And if you watch Baker Talk, I don't know what the podcast was. I think it was like some sort of like Christian religious podcast he was on, or maybe he was just talking about his faith, but you listen to Baker Talk. You're like, this guy's a different human.
Starting point is 01:01:24 This guy from the guy that was at Cleveland, you know, kind of the cocky chip on his shoulder, he feels like he is just in the zone of being a high-level cat now. And sometimes, you know, he credited to religion and finding God, his wife and his kid, and it's just, Baker's in a great spot. If I'm a Bucks fan, I go, I like my chances with that guy. So, yeah, I mean, I think you guys are in a great spot.
Starting point is 01:01:50 I think the only big picture question is like Todd Bowles, like, is he super? I like Todd. He's been cool to me over the years. But if you had a better coach in terms of the perception, if I just told you Mike Tomlin was your coach, or LeFleur, or something like that, you'd be like, the bucks are a powerhouse.
Starting point is 01:02:12 Or just like one of the best teams in the league. Instead, I think Todd in a weird way, which is crazy because he's one of the better defensive coaches in the league, though your defense kind of sucked last year. It wasn't all his fault. They got a bunch of injuries. My God, do we love speed? Rightfully so.
Starting point is 01:02:27 Speed is valued very high in the NFL. And as a fan, it's one of the most special parts of the game. I just heard you say fast guys usually run the 40 because they're fast. It's so true. Speed is so critical that if you have it, you want to show it off. Two questions. Top speed receiver from each decade in your opinion. Decades you've watched and speed receiver to maintain dominant speed status
Starting point is 01:02:52 the longest throughout their whole career. given the importance of speed does the guy have an argument as the number one wide receiver goat I think I might talk about this week I saw Daniel Jeremiah had a tweet the other day about he's never seen this many players
Starting point is 01:03:11 skip the 40 it's one thing if you're injured but like Ashen Genty just didn't run the 40 countless other players don't run the 40 usually if you ran at the combine and you run a good time like you don't have to run at the pro day no big deal
Starting point is 01:03:22 hell you do the combine you work out, you don't have to do anything at the pro day. Or vice versa. You don't do anything at the combine. You do everything at the pro day? No big deal. Now guys just don't do anything ever. It's kind of just crazy. Or just a new normal. But I would say the fastest guy in the league over the last decades
Starting point is 01:03:42 been Tyree Kill easily. I don't think there's ever been a player as good as him. You know, Randy Moss was huge. Huge would be strong, but tall and long. So it's like his advantage, you know, getting the ball. He was great at shooting his hands late. But he was a tall player. Tyreek's tiny.
Starting point is 01:04:03 He's built like a little tank. Speed's elite. I feel like Tyreek, in my life, I've said this before. You know, I'd go Jerry Rice again, young, sentimental. Like, I don't think I'm ever budging. It's like Michael Jordan. I'm never budging. Jerry Rice, I'm never budging.
Starting point is 01:04:19 I'd have no problem putting Randy as like a 1B. I think Tyreek is right. Like, number three, best wide receiver I've ever seen. When you factor in his physicality, I don't know if he's as good anymore, but like in the peak of his powers was an unstoppable force. Unstoppable force. So I'd go in my life,
Starting point is 01:04:40 I feel like Tyreek Hill, Randy Moss, Tyreek ran a 429. Not bad. Randy Moss, I bet he ran a 4-3-4. be my guess. Did he go to the combine? He did.
Starting point is 01:05:02 He ran a 425. So yeah, there's got the best. It's my thing with Gentie, and I like Genty. But when I hear he's a home run hitter, like, well, home run hitter,
Starting point is 01:05:14 you go run a 4-4-0. Everyone's like, Jamir Gibbs, a home-run hitter. Fuck yeah, I am. 435. Randy Moss, Tyree Kill. They were having wet dreams the night before the 40.
Starting point is 01:05:24 It's like, wait till they see this. 4-25, 4-2. 2-9. It's like, Jesus. Dion, you say you could run a 40 backwards like 4-9.
Starting point is 01:05:35 I don't know if that's true or not, but so fast you kind of believed them. You're like, yeah, it might be so. So I'd say Randy Moss and Tyriek Hill are just feels like in a category of their own. Because we've seen a lot of fast guys
Starting point is 01:05:47 that you wouldn't say are like great players. I mean, Randy and Tyreek are, I mean, just two of the better players in like NFL history. I don't know. In a weird way, I feel like Tyreeks kind of underrated.
Starting point is 01:06:05 I mean, he's just a monster. He was last year in Kansas City, he had 111 catches, nine touchdowns. The year they won the Super Bowl looked like he was banged up. In 20 when there were no fans, he had 87 catches, 15 tugs. His first two years in Miami, 119, 119, 20 touchdowns. 1,700 yards, 1,800 yards, averaging 15 yards a catch. His third year in KC was breakout year. 87 catches, 1,500 yards, 17 yards a catch.
Starting point is 01:06:41 Let's pull up some Randy stats. I think my favorite Randy Moss stat was Marshall. His junior year at Marshall, 1997. He played in 13 games. I guess it's two seasons at Marshall. 78 catch. This is his first year, because he, remember, he got booted out of Florida State or whatever. 78 catches, 1,700 yards, 28 touchdowns.
Starting point is 01:07:07 second year, 96 catches, 1,800 yards, 26 touchdowns. In two seasons at Marshall, he had 54 receiving touchdowns. What a beast. Randy's highest, Randy's rookie season, he averaged 19 yards a catch. 69 catches 17 touchdowns as a rookie. I don't think anyone's ever hit the ground running quite like Randy. 17 touchdowns, 11 touchdowns, 15 touchdowns. So in his first three seasons, he had 30, 40, 43 touchdowns.
Starting point is 01:07:49 Not bad. I put those guys in a class by themselves. The volume. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick.
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