The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Players get paid, Owners meeting wrap-up, Fugazi Friday

Episode Date: April 4, 2025

John dives into the new contract for Geno Smith and how incredible it's been that he's been able to turn his career around from a back-up QB to a starter who will make over $100 million over his career. Next, John talks about the Cardinals decision to extend Trey McBride. Later, John has the latest installment of "Fugazi Friday" where he remembers Val Kilmer, and shares a story of him turning into his father. Lastly, John answers your questions during this episode's mailbag segment. 5:10 - Geno gets paid 11:00 - Trey McBridge gets extended 15:32 - Owners meetings wrap-up 20:07 - Fugazi Friday 32:53 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I was doing some stuff on the side on local television in the Bay Area And it was really cool It was a really big deal for my dad You know, he could watch living an hour away, watch me on the Comcast channel that had the Warriors, the Kings, the San Francisco Giants. And I would do like local television shows about Oakland Raiders and San Francisco 49ers topics. And I used to be really offended when they wouldn't let me talk basketball or baseball. It's like, guys, I have a, I understand I'm a quote unquote football guy, but I got a radio show that's doing really well in the ratings here.

talking everything. And he used to really bother me. And eventually, my partner told me, like, if you're going to get pigeonholed at anything, football is not the worst way to go. There are way worse things to get painted into a corner as, quote, unquote, the football guy. And again, like, I don't know if there was a chip on my shoulder, some anger about like, I can talk everything. I will talk baseball and basketball. And looking back, it was such a stupid thing to get worked up on. And he was right. Like being the football guy, you could do a lot worse in a country that is football obsessed. But I think that's true. Anything in life, you know, when you enter a company, people look at you. If you start as an intern, sometimes it's hard to

shake the way they look at you, even if you've inevitably been there for a while. And I think that happens with quarterbacks. Once you become the backup quarterback, it is very hard to ever be viewed as this guy can be my starting quarterback. Usually, you need something extreme to happen. And that happened to Gino Smith, when John Schneider traded Russell Wilson to the Denver Broncos. And it by far is not only the best thing that ever happened to him on the field, because he got a chance to play and he proved that he was a good player.

But financially, I don't know if we've ever seen anything like this. I looked it up today. Gino Smith, who, let's face it, after a year or two, early on in his career, was just viewed as a guy that was going to struggle to hold on. And then he kind of had developed himself as a backup quarterback. And I was guilty of this. I just assumed Gino Smith, the rest of his life was going to be a backup quarterback. And as of 2021, you know, Gino was not a high draft pick.

He was drafted in the second round. Had made $10 million. Now, for 99.9% of 30-year-olds already accumulating $10 million in the workforce, it's pretty incredible. But when you're playing in the NFL, you know, you start doing the math. like the position I play, God, this guy is probably going to end his career at the time, if you would have bet,

maybe a couple more contracts to be backup quarterback. I don't know, $20 million. I looked it up today. He is on pace. Now, with this new contract extension from the Raiders, that guarantees him over $65 million. Minimum. That assumes that, like, he plays bad.

They cut him. They only have to pay him the true guarantees. He's going to make well over $125 million. In 2021, he had a career earnings of $10 million. And by 2007, he will have 12.5x that minimum. There's a decent chance he'll be at $140 or $150 million. So not only is this guy an incredible story, he got his opportunity, he made the most of it. He became, which is pretty crazy, if I would have told anyone, would you have bet that Gino Smith over the next five years would be a dramatically better player than Russell Wilson?

there would have been 100% universal agreement, no chance. And I don't think not only is he a better player than Russell Wilson, every team in the league today would take Gino Smith over Russell Wilson. And did not see that coming. But John Snyder, Pete Carroll, benefited from that. Now Pete Carroll back with the Raiders, they make a trade for him. They have a pretty highly paid. He's better than a quote unquote bridge quarterback.

But he's definitely just holding the four. court down until you find a younger player, but he does allow you to not force a pick. And if Shador Sanders is there at pick six, which, who knows, you could convince me that he's gone at two, you could convince me that he doesn't even get drafted in the top 10. It's what makes the draft fascinating most years is we don't have any clue how it's going to play out. But I think it's fair to say that more, like if I was a betting man, the Raiders are not going to take a quarterback in the top 10.

Doesn't mean they won't. They still can. You easily could pull the trigger. How Pete Carroll did this once upon a time when he signed Matt Flynn and took Russell Wilson in the third round. Now, I do think they'd be more inclined to take a guy on the second day. You know, where, you know, hell, John Spitech, the Raiders GM, when he was in Tampa, their last two quarterbacks, you know, one, honestly, the guy they first drafted was James

Winston. That blew up in their face. And then, you know, found Tom Brady just as a free. agents didn't have to give up a draft pick, and then they found Baker Mayfield for $4 million and have to give up a draft pick. So I do wonder if they are going to overextend themselves if they are on the fence, assuming Shador Sanders is there. And now this allows them to, you know, take another position if they want.

Not that we didn't know this was coming, because when they made the trade for Gino Smith, it was well reported that they're going to extend them. And they did. And now Gino Smith went from $10 million to a career earnings potentially at $100,000. $130, $140 million when his career's all over. Just an incredible football story, an incredible business story. I mean, if he was a stock and you would have invested in him in 2021, you would have had pretty incredible returns.

You know, Trey McBride, the Arizona Cardinal tied end, I think represents what the NFL has always been. We spend so much time before the draft, and rightfully so, talking about the high draft fix. Yet the majority of the first round, I think it's like. you know, 50-50 chance. These guys are not going to get second contracts with their teams. And if I draft a guy definitely in the top 15 and he doesn't get a second contract with my team,

that's a swing and a mess. But the draft is littered in the second, third, fourth, fifth round, not just with starters, but with all pros, with pro bowlers, with Hall of Famers. And what's cool about the NFL, unlike, you know, definitely basketball, the occasional second round guy becomes a stud, Draymond Green. Yokic. But for the most part, the best players are usually drafted pretty high. And in football, you can find your best player on your team in the third round. And Trey McBride represented what is something that might dramatically change. Because forever, you could take guys past the first

round from smaller schools and they could become a star for you. And that's what Trey McBride did. He came up at Colorado State. He got drafted at the end of the second round. And he's easily one of the best tight ends in the NFL. And I do wonder if a guy like him, because he just got a huge contract extension, I didn't realize he had 111 catches last year. I mean, the last two seasons, he's had 81 and 111 catches. And two years ago, for half that year, that was not with Kyler Murray. It was with the backup quarterback. So, I mean, this guy's just good. I remember watching him as a rookie when I think he only had like high 20s and catches. You're like, God, this guy moves pretty freaking well. Now, two years later, did I think he'd be this? I don't know, but he is, he's an excellent

player. And he got drafted from Colorado State in the second round, and he's become a pro bowler. I do wonder, and we talk a lot about this with NIL, with the transfer portal, a guy like him, once it's pretty clear, like he's an all-conference guy and a future NFL player by his second or third year playing in college, if this guy ends up at Colorado State, you know, Because I would imagine guys like this now are going into their last non-draft-eligible year. Texas, Oregon, all the SEC schools, the Big Ten schools. And more than likely, this guy ends up at a different school. And the butterfly effect of all this, and we've talked a lot about this with Gentie.

Like, Gentie, you know, if I was a betting man right now, he probably ends up going in the top ten. But what if he doesn't, you know? And he was a guy, if he had transferred to Texas and he had. had a very similar season in the SEC. Honestly, we might be talking about them like a top five pick just because this drafts week. It's like, well, there is no doubt that this guy might be the next Barry Sanders. And he might. But for me, and I get some shit with this, is like, yeah, coming from Boise, like, I just judge

you a little more harshly. It is different, you know, when you're playing the SEC every week or even the Big Ten, schools like Iowa and Michigan and like those defenders that are all going to go to the NFL in San Diego State in New Mexico. It just is not the same, even if you're going for three, 400 yards. It's an incredible accomplishment, but it's fair for me to question it. And I love the player. I mean, he was my favorite player in college football this year.

But guys like him moving forward, the chances of them staying at Colorado State, staying at Boise State, once they are well established, like this guy's going to the NFL. This guy can immediately help your team, just cut him an NIL check. I don't think we're going to see it that often. And like I talked with Colin yesterday. We talked a lot about college football. And I understand he's not a traditionalist. And for the most part, I'm not necessarily either.

Like I'm not a huge just in general in my life. Hold on to the past guy. Like I'm much more of a look forward guy. Like I'm all for change. I understand it's inevitable, especially in sports when it comes to money. But like I'm not afraid to say like I kind of miss the Pack 12. Like I do.

Not that my life's better. or worse because it's gone, but it does, like sometimes when I see Oregon and Arizona playing in the NCAA tournament and it's a Big 12 versus a Big 10 team, like, I'm sorry, that's weird. And I don't really like it. Even though I know, like, there's no point in getting mad at it, it's not going to go back. Like, we're only moving forward. And if anything, like the Big 12 might not even exist in the next five, 10 years. But like Trey McBrides, the Ashton Genties, these type players, it's going to be very,

very difficult for schools in the Mountain West to keep these guys. But congrats to Gino Smith. Congrats to Trey McBride for just playing at a really high level and earn a lot of money in a league that is just flushed with cash. A couple other funny things from the owner's meetings. Shoges you get older. Sometimes you go, God, do I sound like my dad or my grandpa? The NFL banned the nose swipe from its celebratory actions after first downs or touchdown. and my first reaction was like, why?

And then reading on the internet, still a little confused if it's a gang celebration or representing cocaine. I don't know. Here's what I definitely know. The owners have absolutely no clue. Someone getting this information, I would say most people watching football have absolutely no clue that has a negative. I understand pointing a fake gun at someone and shooting.

We all get that one. But the nose swipe, meaning something that is negative, was not something I had on my bingo card. Another thing is that, you know, it's funny sometimes, you know,

I'm viewed as a 49er guy, and if I have a negative opinion, people are like, you've changed because a coward. It's like, guys, I'm just saying Brandon I, Uke contract was a disaster.

It's not really an opinion. I'm just reacting to the 49ers, literally trying to trade the guy five months after signing him. I didn't make that up. That's a well-established story that they acknowledged. And I'm sorry if you follow football and you sign a guy to $75 million guaranteed. And then less than six months later, you are attempting to trade the guy, but no one will touch him because he's injured. You regret that contract.

It's a bad contract. Not because of my opinion or a fan's opinion because the team is literally saying that. but I do think sometimes the 49ers historically they used to be really good at signing guys early and getting them to take less than quote unquote market fair rates. Well, that world's kind of changed and good players have a lot more. I would say that just leverage, but more people in the NFL now have more cash to spend. It doesn't necessarily mean salary cap space, but some of the, these new owners. I was just thinking,

Drey Greenlaw, who Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch got on a plane to go try to convince not to sign with the Denver Broncos. Because originally they low-balled him. Again, not my opinion. Something Kyle admitted. And then once they realized that they were way off on the number,

they were going to try to match it and convince him to stay. And by the time they flew to Texas, he was over it. And, you know, the Denver Bronco signed him. And for a while, like, there were a couple teams here and there that would spend big cash. And just because you had a really rich owner, like a Jerry Jones or a robber craft, does not mean they were the ones giving out the biggest quote unquote signing bonus.

Because Google it, historically, they were not. The Jeffrey Lurys, the Jim Haslam, there were three or four teams. But the more and more you influx these richer owners, like the fucking Walton family that I don't know, have all the Walmart stock and have like four of the siblings, some of the richest people in the world, like $30 million dollars guaranteed means nothing to them. And I think when you lowball people, especially someone that you want to keep, like again,

they didn't want to keep Pufunga. They didn't want to keep some of these players. But Drey Greenlaw was a guy that they desperately wanted to keep. Now, they were hoping to get them at their price. Little did they know this guy named Greg Penner, who's married into the Walton family, has an unlimited amount of cash to spend.

And it's like, yeah, we're willing to pay more than you are. And by the time you are willing to match, that guy's going to be really offended. And so Kyle and John had to jump on a plane to try to convince a player to stay and it didn't work. Like, that's not ideal. And I'm not trying to be negative Nancy. I would say most of the other players, I have no issue with letting go. And I do think there is risk with Drea Greenlaw, right?

He tore his Achilles a year ago. He tried to come back and his body clearly wasn't right. He got injured in games. But if he is right, and if the Denver Broncos get a healthy Drey Greenlaw, lot, they immediately get one of the best linebackers in the league. Well, I'll just dive in. I don't really necessarily have a Fugazi today. I actually have a reverse Fugazi. My car, you know, I've been thinking about getting a new car. Then you look at the prices. You're like, Jesus, Louises. I don't drive very much. I basically drive to the gym. I drive to

run some errands and I drive to the golf course. So it's like me having a car payment with these enormous prices where the car market is gone, given the car that I would want. It's like, do I need to do it, but then my car's in shambles. Now, I have a 2012 or 11 Tahoe. It's paid off. It's actually just, it's incredible. I've never had any issues, but my brakes were going out, so you take it in, but it's worth nothing. And anytime that you go to a mechanic and you don't know anything about a car, you're kind of just in their control. And they give you a list of like 10 things. You could do like $8,000 with the work. And I just look at the guy. I'm like, listen, what do I actually need and what do I not need?

And the guy was really cool. And he's like, honestly, you just need these three things. It's like $2,000. The other four things you do not need to do right now. And sometimes you get in situations like that when you know nothing. And we did on Fugazi a long time ago, the, you know, when you take your dog to the vet and they give you the bill, it's like, what are you supposed to do? Argue it? The dog can't talk.

You want to keep your animal alive. The bill's like $2,300. It's like, what are you supposed to say? No, I'm not going to pay it. Just put my dog down. It kind of got you by the balls. And you can get in those situations. but when you get a guy that's just like, you know what, if you want to keep this car running,

this is all you need to do is like, really refreshing. I'm like, there are still good people in this world. Val Kilmer died. You know, I think it's not the biggest grossing movie, not even close of all time. Top Gun came out in 1986. I look, I think Titanic technically is made over $2 billion worldwide. Now, granted, the budget of that movie in 1997 was $200 million. $1, Jurassic Park was huge.

Some of these late 90s movies still, like, hold records, did well over a billion dollars, but also that budget was like $65, $70 million. I looked it up today. Top Gun, the budget for the movie was $15 million, and it did close to like $400 million. I do think, and listen, if we're just going on box office, I'm not going to win this argument. But I would say in my life, one of the biggest movies, by far, just the impact culturally, the way it's discussed, just universally, everyone's seen it or has an opinion. I think part of it is, you would say that Tom Cruise has probably had like the longest,

he's had like the LeBron James equivalent of a career that just has gone on for like 40 years. So that's helped keep it. It's one of his, you know, big movies. I do think Val Kilmer's role in that movie just made him a superstar. And what's weird is I was looking back like, I, love Tombstone. If you think about Top Gun and Tombstone, which for me or my personal Val Kilmer favorite movies, he was like a supporting actor.

Like, same thing with Heat, which obviously was a huge movie with Pacino and De Niro. It's like he's not playing the starring role. And you look back at some of these pictures of Val in like the late 80s, early 90s, you're like, holy shit, that's a good looking dude. If I was a chick, I mean, no wonder this dude was probably crushing it in Hollywood. Obviously, the last stretch of his life getting sick and, you know, his performance in the sequel Do Top Gun where he's not able to talk, but he makes a cameo, was pretty cool. But man, that's just when he died, you start, you know, as you get older, it's funny, I was

walking the dog yesterday. And this girl, I hadn't, I never recognized her. Like, I don't see the car on my street, but there's also like a cul-de-sac connected to the street. so maybe she lives in there. She looked like a teenage girl. And definitely, by the way, she was driving. And listen, I was very guilty of this. She was going like, it felt like 50 miles an hour around to turn.

And this is not like a main street. This is just like a road that you have to turn on with a bunch of homes where I would say the average speed that everyone on the street drives before you hang a right is probably less than like 15 miles an hour. Some people drive like five or 10. If it was a boat, it'd be like a no wake zone. and she turns that corner hauling ass and I turned into my dad.

I'm like, slow down! And I was like, God damn. But, I mean, what if I would have been in the middle of the road or anyone would have been in the middle of the road, especially someone walking a baby or something, it would have been lights out, been game over. And as you get older,

you kind of like turn into the people that used to, we used to have someone in my neighborhood when I was growing up. And I, when I turned 16, my grandpa gave me like his 1993 Ford Explorer it would have been like 2001. It had dog hair everywhere because he used to roll around with his dog Tosca a lab. Smelled.

I mean, it was just your classic kind of beater that you know, you hand me down, Ford Explorer, puke, like gross brown. But it was my car. And I used to fly around, you know, the neighborhood of where my parents lived going like 50 miles an hour. Lim was like 25 getting yelled at constantly by people and they eventually tell my parents my parents are screaming me they take away the keys and It's like funny you turn into those people because me and my friends used to make fun of all these people when we were in high school That would put out the signs of like slow down kids and they're 100% right and then you get older you despise These kids that are think they're like Dale Earnhardt turning corners when it's like guys this is a residential neighborhood

slow the bleep down. And I think it's the same thing. Like looking at Val Kilmer, I was thinking the last couple nights watching some clips on YouTube, like, was the 90s the best generation in terms of art, like movies and music?

Because I'm pretty confident it is. But then you start talking like that, I feel like my dad, when he used to talk about movies and music and stuff that he grew up on, I'm pretty open-minded with sports. Like, I'm not one of those, like, the best player I've ever,

seen like listen all these guys are good i enjoy all these different areas i'm not stubborn with that but when it comes to music like yeah is dr dr dr dr jane m&m way better than any of these dudes now yeah i think so by a mile uh now i also don't ever want to be that person that just holding on because in like 30 years the 90s is going to be really really old but you know val kilmer i mean it's crazy obviously he was a big movie star and he did batman which was probably you know for him culturally in any movie that he started. I always thought, I think it was called Wonderland.

He played a porn star called John Holmes. I don't think the movie did that well, but I remember, I haven't seen it in a long time. I remember watching it one time thinking it was a really good movie. I'm just a Val Kilmer guy, and sad to see him go. So, hey, any kids out there,

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Curious about the levels of alphas on NFL squads. When you were with the Eagles, was it obvious superstars that were the top dog alphas, or some dudes, not household names, that you were around that just carried the room and clear alphas. You know, when I was with the Eagles, like some of their guys that became alphas were really young. Kelsey, Fletcher Cox,

Lane Johnson. Lane was drafted, and then I was relieved to my duty, so I actually never was even around Lane. But like when I was there, our best players, I wouldn't say were the alpha leaders, you know, like Deshawn Jackson, Asante Samuel. I mean, he's going at it with, and these were pro bowl level elite players. Asante wasn't better than Dion.

I don't know if you saw that online. Asante was a good player. I mean, he was a playmaker. Couldn't really run, but just incredible instincts. I would say it was guys like Brent Selick, Trent Cole. They were just like, they just had some shit to him. You know, even at the time, Jason Peters, who was in the prime of his career, I don't think was like what he ultimately became as he aged.

And really, Mike Vicks' first year starting kind of came out of nowhere, right? He was the backup going into the season. I actually think I saw it more once I left the NFL and started doing, living in the Bay Area going to Niners practice and Raiders practice. When I went to the Jim Harbaugh team's practice, like Justin Smith, aka the Cowboy, I mean, it's just, he's just a dude. He is just an alpha. Like this Kyle Shanahan team, Fred Warner, Kittle, Trent.

It's like alphas. You know, Debo was like that for a little while, and then it kind of got weird. But I would say Fred, Greenlaw, Trent, Kittle. When I was around the Raiders, Kaleel Mack for sure. But Charles Woodson was at the end of his career. Like he was just, him and Justin Smith, I felt like, and again, they were older when I was around them, just carried themselves a little differently.

And maybe there's like, and I would say Trent Williams has this little as well, an aura around them. Sometimes with a younger guy, it's hard to be the alpha, like the heartbeat of the team when you're not one of the better players. Like you can be one of the tougher guys on the team and someone that no one would F with, but not be like the best,

player so you're not necessarily like the leader of the team to be the leader of the team or one of the alphas in the room like you kind of got to be one of the better players. So I would say that like when you're, I mean, Charles Woodson just had this aura around him. It was like, damn, it's Charles Wilson. And he was cool. I mean, we interviewed him one time and he was, he was awesome. But some guys just aren't that vocal.

It's like personalities, right? There are some human beings that are really so. There are some people that aren't that social, right? There are some people that never shut up. There are some people that don't talk a lot. It's no different in a football locker room. Like, you can be a leader by example. It's like the hardest working guy going, but just not be a big talker.

Like when you were around the Eagles back then, like it was hard to miss like Lashon McCoy and Asante. Like they were pretty loud in a good way. Like everyone loves Shady. He was like the most likable guy on the team. I would say him in like Selik. What are your thoughts about fantasy football and how it, quote, grows the game? Does it incentivize fans to watch the games? I think it's incredible.

I mean, you know, my two sports football and golf, they use the term in golf a lot, grow the game. Like, Liv did not grow the game. What grows the game is YouTube golf. Like in football, what's been incredible is fantasy football and gambling truly grows the game. because the more and more people that participate in that, the more you're going to watch the sport. I got into the sport before I did either one of those. I've never been a big fantasy football guy,

but it's not because I don't think it's like, I understand why other people think it's cool. When I was young, especially in college when I think a lot of people start playing now, I mean, probably playing like junior high in sixth grade in high school. But I was like, I don't want to play fantasy football. I want to play real football. And that was like a driving thing in my life.

So I just never really got into it because I wanted to get into actual football. And by then, hell, when I worked in the NFL, I knew people that played in huge fantasy leagues, which I think is frowned upon. They don't know anymore. But I, yeah, I think it's a huge, huge part of football. And I would say the growth over the last 10 years. And I would say now gambling become much more accessible is that on steroids. So I would say those two things that drive interest of young people to like the sport that maybe didn't play in high school or growing up is, I mean, should be applauded.

So I'm a big fan. From Australia. What was the biggest professional mistake you made working for the Eagles and how do you overcome it? Congratulations on your recent marriage. What is the plan for the honeymoon? No plan for the honeymoon. I had a buddy in the NFL asked me like, where are you going? I'm like, we just came home.

We just needed. We were gone for a little while. Spent so much money in the wedding. I just needed to take a deep breath. He's like, that's a pro move. We are going to Costa Rica before football season in late August. So that's, I don't know if that's technically a honeymoon, but we don't really have. We just need to take a deep breath.

She's really busy right now, work stuff. I would say my biggest professional mistake, was when Andy got fired and Chip Kelly came in, I was pretty cocky slash confident. I was kind of like a made man in the organization. I was hired by Howie. I was good. I had an area.

I was just kind of feeling myself. And we had a draft meeting and I just kind of got into it with Chip about Matt Barkley. And I remember one of the, a couple guys in the draft room that night at the hotel was, like, bro, you can't do that. And I don't regret doing that. I mean, my life has been dramatically better post that moment, but I would say as a younger person, I got humbled pretty fast. And then it was pretty clear a couple weeks later. I'm like, that was not a good

idea that I'm in trouble here. Now, maybe they would have replaced me anyway. Who knows? I'm not that, like, arrogant to say that I was untouchable. But that was a moment where I was really feeling myself and I think anytime when you're a young person and you gain a bunch of confidence, you know, it can go to your head. And I would say at that point in time, it was probably in my head. I was like, I'm best scout in here. I'm an untouchable guy. And then until I wasn't, and you realize who the boss in that room was did not like me yapping back. But I think it's just a good lesson for younger people. It's like sometimes you just, just calm down a little bit, even though I technically was right, but that's beside the point.

Do you think the narrative around Harbaugh and Herbert will change if they don't win a playoff game this year? Also, my buddy goes to Vanderbilt and we are going to the Bama game. We were curious if you think Vanderbilt has any more upsets in them this year. I would say on the Vanderbilt front, it does feel like that's a once-in-a-generation-type upset, especially given that Kaelin Du Boer is coming back and that game was that game in Vanderbilt

so I would imagine that game's in Bama this year if I'm wrong regardless where it is I do think that's a circle on the calendar game for Alabama I would be stunned if they lose to Vanderbilt

two years in a row but should be fun I would say, I don't think there's a narrative around Harbaugh. I mean, Harbaugh has coached in the NFL five years, has made the playoffs in four of them. Just won a national championship two years ago with like 25 NFL players. I think Jim Harbaugh universally agreed upon high-level top-end coach. No one's arguing that. I actually think Herbert is the one that's polarizing.

I don't see how Harbaugh's polarizing at this point. He's just a certified ass kicker. you make him your head coach, you're going to win games. Now, can he win the Super Bowl? Yeah, that's a narrative for a lot of coaches, right? Can this guy ever win the Super Bowl? We can start going around. Kyle Shanahan would be the leader in the clubhouse,

but there are countless other guys that you like, can this guy get it done? LaFleor. Can Kevin O'Connell win a playoff game? I think there are way bigger narratives around other coaches than Jim Harbaugh at this point. But I do think Justin Herbert does have pressure just given the way he's talked about in the top group. I mean, he is in the NFL.

I just think considered a top five quarterback. And when you're a top five quarterback, he'd be the fifth. But the other four guys are Mahomes, Alan, Lamar, and Burrow. Like, you kind of got to back it up with just better play in the bigger moments. But shit, you could say the same for Lamar. Though Lamar, I did think, played a much better in the second half last. year. I've heard you discuss the three-pointer with Colin.

Thoughts on limiting the amount of attempts a team can take in the first 46 minutes to a game to 20 or 25. After they reach the limit, any shot taken behind the arc would count as a two-pointer. Last two minutes of the game, threes would not be restricted. Would limit the number of threes taken create strategy on when to take them. I don't like doing that type stuff like arbitrarily picking things You can only bunt in the last three innings

You can only throw past 40 yards Once a half You can only shoot so many threes Like yes The three is either part of the game or it's not To me if you're going to have an issue with the three Extend the line But you can't limit the number of times

I can take a shot that doesn't exist anywhere else You can't hit a home run here Because you've already hit three You can't You gotta kick field goals Because you've already scored four touchdowns I think we're just like kind of arbitrarily

And listen you're not alone I've heard other people bring that up I think that's fucking stupid I really do I think it's insane I don't think three pointers I think sometimes when I hear basketball people discuss why less people are watching

I think they're too close to the sun I think it's very, very hard for them to see the big picture. It's not just that every game looks the same and people are shooting threes. They lost people with the tanking and people not playing. And the season becoming baseball, none of the games mattering. And the games simply do not matter. And, you know, for these last stretch of a couple weeks, there are some big games. But for the most part, like football feels like that throughout the entire season.

basketball and baseball have lost us during the regular season because it does not feel like the games matter. I think it's all the three-pointers. The Warriors were shooting a lot of three-pointers a decade ago and a lot more people were watching. To me, it's truly that people do not play games. They sit and the tanking all kind of mixed into one. Now, I'd also argue the tanking thing,

like no one's watching the Utah Jazz anyway or the Pelicans. But I do think they're all, it's kind of intertwined. just the game's not mattering. And literally the teams don't care about the games. I'm a sports lawyer who graduated with my law degree from Marquette and go to my sports law and got my sports law certificate from a national institute. I have also worked in multiple NCAA athletic offices. I'm currently listening to your podcast, Mailbag,

where someone asks you about universities employing student athletes. you were spot on about Title IX and title I don't know the numerology with the V and the two ones but let's just say 15 but additionally the even bigger problem is once students become employees

their scholarship becomes taxable the issue is most of the student athletes especially non football and basketball don't bring in enough under NIL to afford the taxes for their scholarship dollars so becoming employees for the university is a non-starter.

Hope that helps. I'm always available for conversation. Well, I would say this. I would imagine the universities have zero desire to, quote-unquote, employ the softball team, the soccer team, hell, the baseball team. Those people are not getting employed. It would just be the men's football.

I mean, there's only men's football, but football and men's basketball and potentially women's basketball. Now, I don't know about the rules. If you employ them, do you have to employ everyone else? Because if that's the case, then football's breaking off. But I hear you. There are a lot of complications, and it's not, it's a, I would say,

hairy situation moving forward. So we'll see how it plays out. I don't know. I feel like it's going to get worse for it gets better. Which to me is kind of entertaining. I don't care. For the mailback, big fan of the show. I've enjoyed some of your quote unquote life lesson segments, so I'll continue the trend.

I turn 24 in a couple weeks and will graduate with an MBA in May. I'm moving to Minneapolis in June for a job and finance. I was curious if you have any tips looking back on the 24-year-old version of yourself, mostly intangibly when approaching career success. Also, an Iowa state student graduate who watched Purdy meltdown in person several times. I wouldn't pay them even close to top five money. God, Hater here. Purdy did a lot for your school.

I would say that's a great question. You can't look at everything when you're young about immediate success and worrying about the next day, the next week, the next month. Some of your moves when your industry isn't apples to apples to the world that I grew up in in college football or the NFL or even radio. But you have to think big picture. So, you know, if you go into the mindset of like, I'm getting, I'm getting screwed here. I'm doing, it's hard because as a young person, they're going to ask you to do some dumb stuff.

And part of that is proving your worth. Now, there gets to a point. Like, maybe they are taking advantage of you. But like as a young person, you know, I would imagine if you're single, you don't have kids, you're not married, like spend extra time, you know, and just be a,

available and say yes more than you say no. And usually early on that can lead to good things. So I would say also it's easy and I was guilty of this and most people are. When you're young and hungry and ambitious, you probably think, no, there's not probably, you do think you know a lot more than you actually know. And the 50 year old, the 60 year old people in charge don't want all your takes all the time. So just be careful about being too aggressive and just ease into some things early. You know, don't go in there and think you're reinventing the wheel in whatever world you're working in.

You know, especially, and then, you know, once you're able to really soak into any opportunity you get, whether they take you to a big meeting, a big closing, even if you have nothing to do with any of it, you know, really kind of soak in things like, God, that's take away the positive experiences, things that you learn from them, and then also see things that you don't like and things that you're like, I don't, that's not how I'm going to operate when I, as I move up in the world. But I would say, just be willing to say yes to a lot of things. Because in your mid-20s, like, you got a lot of time on your hands and you don't have much going on in terms of like family requirements.

or marriage or those things, assuming maybe you're already married with kids. But if you're not, you can really take advantage of, and some of it's going to be stupid. Some of it you'll look back like, what a waste of my time. But some of it is not. And it's the type stuff that can change your life. So I would just go in ambitious and willing to say yes and just grind because you'll look back. You're like, how did I do that? Well, that's the time.

In your 20s is the time to work crazy hours and really make hey. so once you get to your 30s world becomes a little easier in theory maybe not but a lot of stuff's out of your control too you gotta like you just

got to put all your chips in the middle of the table and just see what happens there's no guarantee on anything so that's part of what makes life fun a long time nineer fan frustrated every time I hear Kyle Shanahan

get called a genius if he were he wouldn't be losing Super Bowls I feel like Kyle is trying to live in dad's shadow who gets credit for giving him the title quote unquote genius. Albert Einstein was a genius. Jason. Yeah, I would say, here's the thing.

I don't know who, you know, I think a lot of players, some of the stuff that Kyle gets held in high regard when it comes to offense and when it comes to play calling are the way other coaches and players on his own team talk about him. And also, like, he's had a lot of success as a head coach. I do think to be a sports genius as a coach, you need to create something from scratch. Like, he is running his father's offense. Now, he has found a way, you know, his dad became famous in the mid to late 90s running

this. So he's doing it almost 30 years later at a high level. So clearly he's adapted off of it. But I'm with you. Like to be a true quote unquote genius, Bill Walsh, I think gets a lot of credit for developing the West Coast offense, though there were concepts that I'm pretty sure that he had taken from other places. But like he mastered that in the early, late 70s, early 80s. So like, or, you know, some of these defensive coordinators that create the Tampa 2 or some of the defenses that Belichick and Sabin created.

Is he a quote unquote genius? Yeah, you could argue that's a little strong. But Kyle is a really, really good coach. Who had a bad year? Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, big news?

Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts.

We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name? Hey Jonas, guys. I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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The Titans should not draft Cam Ward at number one, or any quarterback for at least the first three rounds in this year's draft. Ward isn't better than any of last year's first round quarterbacks, so I wouldn't reach for him at number one. They should go get Kirk Cousins and wait to draft their quarterback of the future. The Titans just finished their O-line rebuild with additions of Dan Moore and Kevin Zitler in free agency. So Cousins should be decently protected and can run the offense for a season or two.

Don't overthink it. Draft Abdul Carter and win 8-9 games in a weak division. I think new GM, Mike Borgonzi, who was the Kansas Chiefs since 2009, is too smart to draft a non-elite quarterback prospect. Your thoughts? They're drafting Cam Ward. At this point in time, it would be one of the craziest pivots. Everyone in the NFL thinks are drafting Cam Ward.

The Titans believe they're drafting Cam Ward, and that's led by the coach and the GM. So listen, there is dramatic risk taking this guy, right? But I would just say from a skill set standpoint, the top three guys, Caleb, Drake May, and, oh, Jaden. Those three guys would definitely, I would say, get drafted above Cam Ward. I do think Cam Ward is physically more gifted than a 25 year. And I like Michael Panics a lot. And hell, I probably would have taken him in the top 10. but Cam Ward is a better NFL prospect than Michael Penix.

I would say he's a better NFL prospect than Bo Nix and J.J. McCarthy. Doesn't mean he can be better players, but just his skill set and physical characteristics like they are better. Now, what do you have gone ahead? I don't know. But I don't think it's that crazy to take him number one overall. It's not a great draft. If you can create him into, I don't know, a top 12-ish quarterback,

is it risky 100%. but I would say Kirk Cousins has a ton of risk. Kirk Cousins might be shot. Might be done. Like, it just could be over. He's 37 years old. An Achilles can't move. Armstrongs looks like it's kind of diminishing.

She's had an incredible career. Made hundreds of millions of dollars. But you could, let's just say you do what you said, sign, you'd have to trade for him, trade for Kurt Cousins, draft Abdul-Carter. What if Cousins is just awful? I mean, just terrible. Say this about the Falcons, at least they did have Michael Pennix behind him. So it's like, hey, we'll just go with Michael Pennex. What would the Titans do?

If like five games in, it's like, oh, this thing is a disaster. You'd be in trouble. Mailback question. I just saw the NFL announced Global Markets Program for 25, where teams are partnering with certain countries to build the game and drive eyeballs on the sport moving forward. My question, how did they decide what countries would participate in which teams get to allocate resources where. Congrats on the wedding.

Yeah, and support from your neighbor in North in Canada. I don't know. I mean, you're asking the wrong guy here on like who gets to be connected with what. I do wonder now that they have Amazon, but even the Netflix Christmas time, if they use that to gather some data. And I wonder if just going to play a game in Dubai is just like, oh, we'll go to Dubai. they got a lot of money. We weren't looking to expand or did they see some data there?

Same thing with Brazil. Same thing with Spain. I've always said that they're doing that to try to expand their ability to stream. But what if they saw on streaming where they should lean in? And if you're Netflix and those people, you're working with the NFL. Like, hey, you've got people here. This is where you should play a game. Which I would imagine is happening.

So listen, I don't pretend to have the information of why, who goes where. but I don't think it's random that they're going back-to-back years in Brazil. Or this upcoming year they're going to Spain and then inevitably they're going to Dubai. Like it's, I think they're seeing data. There are people there and there is a demand. And maybe Netflix says we have a large percentage of people that watch in these areas. So you're like working hand in hand with the crew.

Would be my educated guess. Could be wrong, but it's like there are only so many possibilities here. What is the life of an NFL scout and why did you say you weren't going to get another NFL job after the Eagles? Because when I got out in the summer of 2013, the only people I know that works for the Eagles. And some of the people that I had worked with, you know, Daniel Jeremiah had gone to television, Lewis Riddick was going to ESPN, Andy had hired John Dorsey and John Dorsey ran personnel. and Andy wasn't going to, so the only person he took from the Eagles was Veach. Now they got several others since then, you know, from the scouting perspective.

But I just, I didn't really have that many people around the league. I could call to try to get a job. I know way more people today than I did then. And then things just, yeah, just like, what am I going to do? So I just pivoted fast. I probably could have figured it out. Maybe not that season, but like the following season got back in. but by the fall, things started going well with, I was like going on local television and radio.

I was like, screw it, I'll just do this. And then I did it and just never look back. You know, I think when you say the term, most people assume college. And I've done both. I've worked in the office. And when you work in the office, you're basically just working not quite coaches hours during the season, but it's just getting there, 6.30, 7 a.m. If you want to get a workout, maybe 5.30, 6.36 in the morning.

and you're there early in the week till 8, 9, 10 o'clock at night, just watching guys, watching players, writing reports, or doing advance of an opponent. And you're also in charge, like, that crew of, like, free agency. So you're running the free agent boards, you're kind of helping guys on the street, you know, a player like Trey Lance right now who's not on a team. Like, you're running lists of guys like those.

practice squad guys, you're falling pretty closely. You're just really working with the NFL guys. College guys are focused on the college guys. And I think the best scouts have done both because I think the best way to transition to college is to understand what's going on the pro game. And then when you work in college, I mean, you're just driving school to school,

scouting, watching players, finding out information, typing in a lot of reports. You're just going school to school typing a ton and driving a ton and eating a lot of snacks driving around trying so you don't and drinking a lot of coffee. Marriott to Marriott, baby. So yeah, I mean, it just depends on the team. I mean, some teams have guys that do pro and college. As you work up the ranks, you know, you become like a number two or a number three. You dabble in both.

and then those guys start working, helping the GM out, dealing with agents, running workouts. So it's kind of like, you know, you meet people that travel a lot for work. I don't even know if these guys exist anymore because of technology, but like the traveling salesman. It's kind of what a scout is.

You know, you got a couple states, three or four states, and you just go all the schools. Obviously the big ones, the small ones, the ones in between, and you're just, you're going to games on the weekend. It's just, it's, it's not a lifestyle.

It kind of is your life. It's just one of those jobs where you just, I mean, it's basically a 10, 11 month, a year job. Because, you know, in the summer, you watch guys getting ready for the fall. Then in the fall, you're grinding the guys that you're scouting. And then in the spring, your All-Star Games Combine, pro days in the meetings.

So really, you get May, May and June are kind of slow. but you're still working and then July you kind of get a little rest and then by the end training camp starts. So obviously varies a little team to team but for the most part you're just, you're watching a lot of football.

You know, one thing I've learned, I love football. I mean, it made my career of talking about it, of watching it, of just having it be a part of my life. I didn't love football enough.

Like I'm going way farther doing this than I would have there. you have to be, I mean, addicted to the sport to be good at it. Like the addiction that all the GMs have, and I'm lucky enough to know some of them, the Howie Rosemans, the Jason Lights, the Viches, the Spytex, the Adam Peters, the John Lynch's, Les Snead, John Snyder. I mean, these guys, if football was cracked, they'd be crack addicts. They're addicted to football.

thing in part of it, it becomes a very lucrative profession once you get to their level. But, and honestly, they probably watch less football than they ever have during the week. But the business of football, it just becomes your life. And, you know, it's just, it's a grind. There's no doubt about it. It's, it's Wall Street on grass, baby. Long hours, long days. And until you get to the top couple rings of the food,

chain in the scouting profession, you don't make that much money relative to how long you work relative to other businesses. Like if you worked in other multi-billion dollar industries and you were good and you were working as much, the amount of money you would make would be decent. I mean, you'd be a top couple percenter. But, I mean, there are a lot of scouts out there grinding their ass off. You know, even if they're making $100,000 relative to working. You ain't working 40-hour work weeks.

I mean, you're talking some weeks or 80-90. You don't see your family. You're gone. It's, listen, you're not digging ditches and it's an awesome job in theory, but it is a lot of work. And it's also a profession where no one knows how good you were, right? At least as a coach, you, like, if I'm a quarterback coach and every one of my staff gets fired because we won five games when my quarterback played well, people would be like,

oh, that guy's probably pretty good. And you get a lot, but as a scout, it's like, who knows? Is he good? Is he bad? No one really knows. I remember thinking that when I got out. It's like, how would anyone know how good or bad I am? No one would know.

No one knows a lot. It's like when all these guys get hired, unless you're like a repeat GM, like you've already had a gig, which doesn't happen very often like coaches. It's like, oh, they, for example, John Spitech just got hired. Like, just because he's been in my orbit. bit for a long time. I know a lot about him. But if you're a Raider fan, you've seen the name, but it's like

is he good, is he bad? Was he actually done? And then you hear stories like work closely with Brady. Obviously he's good at his job, but you just never know. You know, some of these guys, Adam Peters, I saw for a long time. Like he was always in the mix. It's like, well, what is he actually doing relative to the GM or the coach? And at least like as a coordinator, as an offensive or defensive coordinator,

it's pretty clear like this guy's like Brian Flores I don't know if he's great at like managing the whole team but there is no disputing Brian Flores as elite Vic Fangio same thing now we know because we saw Vic probably not a head coach Flores maybe he's learned from it maybe not I don't know but like Flores give him the defense shit I mean I can't imagine what Flores would look like if he had like elite players he might have like a, his defense might be like the greatest scoring defense we've ever seen

if he had like three or four Hall of Famers on it. But there's no disputing it because we watch and play. And then we see other coordinators like, oh, this guy sucks. This guy is not good at his job. Yet there are scouts that probably suck at their job and there are probably ones that are really good and no one has any clue. And the difference is in that profession, like the way guys keep jobs and the way guys lose jobs, you know, in most dysfunctional organizations like, well, do they like you or do they not? And you could argue that's a lot, that's true for a lot of professions.

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