The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Pointing fingers to blame others, Netflix and the NFL, Fugazi Friday

Episode Date: May 10, 2024

John dives a little more into the storylines coming out of the Tom Brady roast and this time reacting to the comments from Julian Edelman about the awkwardness between Belichick and Kraft and how it's not surprising that both guys are pointing fingers at each other. Later, John dives into how Netflix could get a Christmas Day NFL game, and he reads your Fugazi Friday comments. Lastly, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 5:06 - Pointing fingers to blame others 15:54 - Netflix getting in the NFL mix 25:17 - Fugazi Friday 46:25 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Last-minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed. You know what's funny is when things go poorly and I've been part of different businesses over my life in radio and early on some startup companies with podcasts before I got linked up with Colin that didn't go well and talking to my friends in different businesses that have tried different things

from an entrepreneurial standpoint, try starting business, and they fail, people point fingers. Now, most of these businesses are not very public, so you never hear about them. But we have been seeing in professional sports when shit hits the fan,

everyone points the finger at someone else. I actually think it's kind of a basic instinct for human beings. Think about when you're, little kid, anyone with siblings, when you get in trouble or with your friends, you never take responsibility. You always blame someone else even if you did it. And it's kind of a natural reaction. Now, the older you get and more professional, some people are clearly more cutthroat than others. They would do the Joe Pesci meme in Goodfellas. They'll take you out to survive.

And I also think survival for a lot of people in business is almost more than that. I'm important than their actual job performance, they'll do whatever it takes to survive. So the easiest thing when things are not going well, which is inevitable, I don't care what business you're in, is to say it's not my fault. It's someone else's fault. I would have done this different. It wasn't my idea. That guy screwed it up. That guy's the moron. We replace that person. We changed this that I had nothing to do with. We'll make it. And then you can keep going down that, you know, taking that stance the rest of your career. And a lot of lot of people do it. And if you get in with the right people, right, if you're an employee

and the owner likes you, the main CEO likes you, it's easy to do that and survive. We've all known people that do it. I saw it in the radio industry when I worked in it for about four years with a ton of guys. It wasn't about how good they were at their job. And I'm not even talking about hosts. I'm talking about people that worked for the company. It was about surviving and keeping that job, which I understand. Because the number one thing that humans, the older you get, I was talking to someone about this the other day

because they thought they were getting screwed, and I said, listen, I don't think this person is necessarily trying to screw you, but first and foremost, they care about themselves and they care about their family. And if they view you as like,

oh, you don't need the money, you're rich, or you've made a lot of money, it's easy to justify, and ultimately, and listen, a lot of people are like this, I have to do what I have to do.

and I think in sports, we've all seen this happen forever. When teams lose, GMs, coaches, players, but mainly GMs and coaches, point the finger at other people and try to get them fired, try to get them removed,

and say it was their fault. In football, it happens all the time. The GM points the finger at the coach. And if not the head coach, the coordinators. And that's why there's constant turnover at those positions. But actually when you have success,

is a time when a lot of people, especially, you know, highly public figures, struggle with that. And I remember when I first got into kind of radio and out of the NFL and started doing whatever the hell I do now, I saw it with Jed York and Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh was bigger than every player on the team, and that team had star players everywhere. And he got the majority of the credit. And Jed York and Trent Balky did not like that. Now, Jed was young.

And Trent, who I like, I mean, he's been cool to me in my dealings with him over the years. But a lot of people think he's kind of an ego, crazy, you know, power-hungry maniac. And they didn't get the credit. Jim got it all. And then they inevitably fired Jim Harbaugh. Now, the good thing about some of these, it happened with Jerry Jones, obviously, and Jimmy Johnson, which I would say is one of the more famous ones in NFL history. and it took them 25 years to get back together.

And most of this is not usually over money. Because you're dealing with rich people. Now, the money when Jimmy and Jerry broke up was a lot different than the modern day NFL. But when you see these things happen, specifically Bill and Kraft, it has nothing to do with one penny, let alone millions of dollars.

Kraft is a billionaire and Bill is worth a shitload. it's all about ego and we noticed it on the roast because you're like, God, this is kind of weird at the end and then Julian Edelman had Drew Bledso on his podcast and brought it up

and he hammered at home it's actually worse than you think. Let's take a listen. In that room though. It was. It was real. Good cut fucking glass. It was very real. It was very real.

I was so awkward. I was like, I was watching coach and I tried to give coach a heads up. I'm like, I see Kraft walk in. I'm like, yo, coach, boom. You know, like, you know this locker room shit, like, 5-0, 5-0. You know, like, he did, of course he didn't fucking see it.

Right. And he came in and I was like, oh shit, this could be some fireworks. I just walked away. To me, the craziest part about this, let's use the gym and Jed York example. When those guys had their falling out and they mutually departed, aka fire Jim, Jim was like 50 years old. Jed was in his early 30s. Time was on their side.

And a couple years ago, they had a reunion for like the 2012 team that lost in the Super Bowl, and Jim came. And now everyone's friends. Now, I'm not saying they're BFFs. They're not sending each other Christmas cards. Probably, maybe they do.

But it's like, time happens. I remember being a kid and having some family issues, not with my immediate family, but just uncles and aunts and people not talking and thinking, God, this is pretty chaotic. This is, in my close couple friends, didn't really have that. And then the older you get, you meet a bunch more people, you realize, yeah, it wasn't alone.

Happens to a lot of people. Most people's family, I think we could say in some form or fashion, kind of messed up. There is no perfect family. And it makes you realize, yeah, and over time, everyone gets back together, hopefully. and you figure things out. And it might never be the same,

but it's not as acrimonious as it once was. Why? Because over time brings you a perspective, you realize life's short, what were we actually arguing over, what were our actual issues, and you put them aside. You know, Jerry, I would say, is probably, if not the biggest,

one of the biggest egos in the league. And Jimmy probably does too. And it took them 25 years. But when they broke up, Both guys, I didn't write down their age, but I would guess, you know, mid-40s, late-40s, early 50s. So if they're going to live till they're 80 or 85, like, they got some time. And they finally got back together. Belichick and Kraft, who clearly despise each other.

Kraft has hated him and told people publicly it's been well reported on for a long, long time. Can't stand them. and like Bill's not the easiest guy to deal with fired. It's one thing, listen, teams struggle, guys get fired, welcome to pro sports. But that documentary was an all-time F you to Bill and Bill even use it in the roast. Here's the problem. I don't see any making up.

Bill is 72, 73 years old. Robert Kraft is 82. One of these guys is going to take this. situation to the grave. Because it ain't getting fixed. It just is not. And I think it makes you realize most things end pretty poorly.

Most great things kind of crash and burn. In the history of time, right? Jews as an analogy all the time. Well, even Rome fell, you see it with some of these companies. Like, is Apple going to stay on top forever?

Probably not. History of time would show you That's not usually the way it works out And you look at this situation They saw unprecedented success And ultimately their downfall Wasn't the last couple years of losing Which sucked

But it's football, you have some bad years Like Andy had a couple bad years in Philadelphia Him and Jeffrey Lurie are still good buddies It was about Robert Kraft's refusal Because ultimately we could argue To it blew in the face Brady, Belichick, Belichick, Brady. We know both guys had a big role.

However, you want to put it on the pie chart, 60-40 Brady, 70-30 Brady, 50-50. It was those two guys. Robert Kraft, let's face it, didn't do a goddamn thing. And that bothered him. Just like it bothered Jerry back in the day. Why, he wanted to be the star. And let's face it, Robert Kraft kind of likes being a star.

He kind of does. he likes being a big deal look at who he's running around with Robert Kraft I never see him running around with other guys 80 years old he likes running around the cool guys he likes trying to be a real cool guy and it seems like people have liked him over the years

but in this situation like I'm sorry just give him his flowers and move on but that Kraft family clearly right now hates him and I would say based on Belichick's history pretty petty guy not one to just be like yeah messed up screwed up. My bad. My bad. He's 82 years old.

If he lives three more years, that's an incredible life. How many people you know live till 85? Short list. My dad didn't sniff 85. So you just kind of sad, but also pretty predictable. The Bulls, we saw that last dance. All those guys, they hated the GM. Michael doesn't never do anything with the Bulls. Scotty and Michael hate each other. It's all over egos because it's easy to point the finger at someone else when things are shitty. What about when things go great? Who actually gets the credit? And it's a downfall of all of ours because we all like to raise our hand and probably get more credit than we deserve.

Netflix. I defended Amazon Prime a couple years ago when they got Thursday night football. And I even defended Peacock last year when a lot of people push back. I understand not everyone has to be. unlimited money to buy all these things. But the reality of the television industry is the cable box is DOA. And it's never coming back. What we have gotten used to over the last 15, 20 years is never going to be the same. So the world we live in right now, we're at the early stages, even though Netflix has been around a while and Hulu and some of these companies now,

it's not like they're one year old, but their impact when it comes to the way we consume things is at the very, very beginning. And Boomer Ossiason said on his radio show that look for Netflix to get the Christmas games. And most people would be like, oh, why don't just put it on CBS, put it on ABC? You do understand that those channels,

how we view them right now, there's a chance in 10 years they will not be around. There's a chance in five years. It's not even possible to get the cable box. It will not exist. It probably will, but if you don't think there's a chance,

then I don't know what world you're living in. Now, I understand that depending on where you live, having the power of the internet is important to streaming on your television. And that impacts how you are as a viewer and that sucks. I can't relate because I spent a lot of money. I have the good internet.

Now, granted, I need it for my job, but Netflix is going to get a Christmas game. It clearly looks like. And I actually think that Tom Brady roast is a good example. And I'll use me as a consumer. My mom watches Netflix every day. She's in her mid-70s. When I lay down at bed at night, like when we get in bed,

after you brush your teeth and whatever, you're just going to watch a television show. We never go to YouTube TV, which is obviously not the cable box, but just where you would watch television. The first place we go, and I think the first place most people go, is Netflix.

I have sympathy if you had to download and pay for the Peacock app, because that's not something that everyone has and is like consistently in everyone's home. It's in mind because she loves, whether it's below deck or Summerhouse and some of the Bravo shows. And I would imagine a lot of people my age, either a girlfriend or wife, uses Peacock heavily because of that catalog.

I don't really watch it besides for, it usually has golf stuff for like the U.S. Open. so I've used it before. But I don't think we can say that about Netflix. And I actually think Tom Brady, The Roast, is a good example. It'll be fascinating once the news finally leaks of how many people have watched that show,

if it ever does. but I think a large contingent of people just stumbled upon it. Like in 1998, when I would just stumble upon, oh, the Grammys are on, or oh, the Oscars are on, or oh, this show was on, which used to happen and doesn't really happen anymore. But the one thing Netflix has, being by far the biggest streaming service, is the power to control everything. Like, whenever I see the top 10 trending,

are they really the top 10 trending or those are the ones they want to put right there? The most popular 10 movies going right now. Are those actually the most watch movies right now? Or is that what they want to promote? And their power to promote this and that Brady thing, it really stood out. They could easily get in bed with Monday night or Sunday night football.

When everyone's sitting down, turning on Netflix, boom, Sunday night football on. Everyone's sitting down, turn it on, boom, Monday night football is on. and Amazon Prime was kind of the first mover when it came to getting involved from a streaming platform with the NFL and Thursday night football, let's face it, I'm not saying like the broadcast, I wish it was a little better,

but just talking about the product, how easy it is to consume, for me at least, and I think most people, because last year it averaged 13 million people, is a great example. Well, guess what is way more popular as a streaming service than Amazon Prime, Netflix.

And like Amazon, who is flush with unlimited money, Netflix. So when you look at this next television deal, I think these partners are in major trouble. NBC is bleeding money right now. And if they spend all this on the NBA, which rumors are they might, they will have no choice but to be aggressive for the NFL, just like all these networks.

They need them. but how can you compete against Netflix? If Apple wanted it in, you can't compete against them. There is no competition. It's like putting a Walmart next to your little mom and pop shop. Business is usually done within 12 months. They have absolutely no shot. And Netflix is proven with that, to me, that Tom Brady roast that, like,

live events can really work. Now, the logistics of would they have to get their own, you know, broadcasters, could they just do a partnership with Fox or CBS and just use one of their crews, which I think they gladly would. Or maybe they will just get into the business on their own and buy some trucks and kind of get it, dip their toe. They really can do whatever they want. And I've been saying this forever. The Jerry Jones generation of Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, the older owners, the Roonies, just the Maras,

are going to be very, very loyal to CBS, to NBC, to ABC. Their children simply will not. And honestly, it doesn't even make sense for the older generation, though they can look at the traditional broadcast partners

as the ones who's made them billions, the ones who essentially bought their yachts. But younger generations, aren't loyal when it comes to business. I saw it with my parents. They would use the same people to do the same things no matter what. It's like, Mom, you're going to redo the kitchen?

This guy's like screwed up three kitchens. Well, we've known this guy for 25 years. He's a good, close personal friend of your dad. We're going to use them. That's not really how me or my friends are wired. Just because I know you, if your work's not good, if your price is too high, I'll go with someone else. And you look at the age of,

some of these up-and-coming kids. They're not 20 years old, but they're not 70. And these companies are going to be able to throw astronomical amounts of money out there. And I just think that the next go-around,

the way we're consuming these NFL games in 2030, will not look anywhere near like we're doing it now. And they've dipped their toe to enough to start, and they're only getting more and more aggressive. Amazon Prime Thursday night.

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It's funny some of you get, some people push back, some people get angry, it's like, God, everyone, this is just, it's fun. It's not that big a deal, you know? First Fugazi Friday. Hope this makes the pod If you did have hair Because the one thing consistently With Fugazi Friday

Everybody forwards me Tipping memes Tipping reels The tipping thing is I think One thing we all relate to If you did have hair Would you tip your barber 10 bucks if it already cost

25 to cut your hair? I'm asking because I usually tip my guy 10 After I pay 25 and he's been cutting my hair for over five years now. So I figured it's just a better service, but since watching your rants on the tipping culture, I've been questioning it, your thoughts. Well, I haven't had hair since 2011.

So we're going on a while. I've been bald. And sometimes, you know, as you age, the longer you get away from something, you start thinking, like, what was that like? Definitely, whether it's looking back on memories from college or someone you dated or, you know, a trip you went on. You have the good parts of the memory, but there's a lot missing.

Maybe that's just me. Maybe my brain just kind of doesn't have the capacity of some of you guys. I can't even remember what it was like sitting in a chair and getting my haircut. Now, I remember being a kid and my dad taking me to the wrestler brothers. It was these two guys in Davis that had, you know, it was the equivalent of like a sports bar, but it was a barbershop. It was cool. Back then, you know, a haircut cost 10,

and I think my dad would just give the guy a 20 and would just, you know, classic, just give me a buzz cut every time. Pisses me off thinking about. All I wanted was long hair and you never would let me grow it out. But, and then, you know, obviously then I get older,

I don't even have hair. I think it's more than fair. And this is the whole thing with tipping coat. The only Fugazis with tipping is when you're like, God, this service was terrible. part of giving someone extra money is like god you you earn that and i think with a haircut and again it's hard for me to speak because i shaved my head in a shower uh is that yeah i think 100% you should tip the guy

hell if you really like the guy i'd get them like a you know a hundred dollar gift card at the end of the year especially if you go all the time i'd say 25 dollar haircut in 24 seems like a pretty good deal not really in the mix of the price points for the service, but especially if you like the guy, 100%. I got a lot of DMs on the Fugazis of weddings and the prices. So here's one. Just watch Fugazi Friday.

I think big weddings are a Fugazi. My wife and I got married in 21, and COVID gave us an out from having a big expensive wedding. We rented a expensive wedding. huge house with a pool in Cape Coral and had our immediate family and close friends come down probably 35 people total. Cost us maybe $7,500. And everyone said it was the best wedding they've ever been to. I think weddings are just very, very personal. You know, so I understand people complaining on Friday weddings because you've got to take time off work and especially if

you're in it to get to the rehearsal dinner. But I defended that given. the cost of it. And let's face it, someone who's having these conversations, there are much different wants and needs usually of the men and the woman. So I understand it. And depending on your family situation, I saw someone else reach out as like, yeah, I mean, trust me, I've been to a couple stores, these rings. So it's not even just a wedding. It's the cost of a ring. They are not cheap either. So you factor in all these costs. That's how I would do it, the way that you just described it, but I understand if she wants a great wedding and her family has the money for it, but I don't know. I think the cost of everything. I just understand all the sides when it comes to this.

Fugazi Friday. The Lakers firing Darvind Ham like it's not the front office's fault for not giving him Braun and AD more help to beat the best team in the NBA. I think anytime, and this is my favorite part about the NBA. The sons, a couple hours ago, just fired Frank Vogel, is when a coach is fired and these talk shows that talk about the NBA

act like it 100%. Think about this. The bucks have fired multiple coaches in like 12 months. That's Janus Antecoompo. Whenever a LeBron coach gets fired, that is LeBron James. Now, sometimes it's right.

maybe the guy's not any good. But Kevin Durant and Devin Booker just got Frank Vogel fired. That's the way the NBA works, which is what I like about the NFL. If you get fired as a coach in the NFL, your relationships with players, good and bad,

it's kind of irrelevant. If you win on Sunday, you will keep your job. If you lose, you will not. If your offense or defense, if you're a coordinator is not good, you're done. Whether guys like you or they don't like you. it's very, very, you know, black and white. We're in the NBA, it's like, yeah,

both those situations with the Lakers and the Sons, they weren't even into the locker room as they lost their series, and Shams came out with articles about both, about the deterioration of the relationship, about the schemes, about the rotations. It's like, this is, I mean, and I'm not saying these guys are Phil Jackson, in his prime.

But holy shit, like no one is winning with the Kevin Durant's situation. At this point in time, he just wants to show up, score some points, go home, get high. LeBron and Anthony Davis,

the team, there's third best player or fourth best player is DeAngelo Russell. But this is what happens. We talked about early. Pointing the finger. Palink ain't,

Polenko always point the finger. That guy's running through coaches like Matt. He can say, well, it's my job to keep up the relationship with LeBron. it's just so fake because the players, the star players who get the coach fired,

they never admit to it. They never admit to it. Or it's like, what are we fucking talk? We know you got him fired. We know you did. I would respect if it's like, listen, I didn't think he was any good.

He didn't know what he was doing. I didn't respect him at the end. He had to go. I think, yeah, then. We've all thought that about our bosses. Most human beings don't have the juice to fire their boss. All of us have worked for incompetent people. Darvin Ham had them in the Western Conference Finals last year.

Frank Vogel's proven to be pretty good. So you get with most of these star players, the moment they want you gone, you're gone. It's just that simple. It has nothing to me to do with the front office. The moment Kevin Durant or Devin Booker goes to the owner, says, I want this guy gone, he's gone. I got a Fugazi Friday for you.

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if I read ads in my podcast, in my content, they can't cut it out. Those ads for us in the podcast business pay a lot. So it's not even a hack.

It's just the business. They control ads. that they put in. So if I put this podcast on Spotify, you, I'm sure, will hear ads that aren't my voice. And if you pay for the premium, Spotify will take that out.

But if I read an ad, they can't remove that. So it's, we've learned ways to get away around that. So I feel you. Luckily, and I'm not, I've said this, I'm not a cheap guy,

but I don't pay for any ad free on any of those. I'll just be at the gym, listen to Pandora, and all of a sudden I'll get an ad for some, you know, barbecue joint in Fresno. Because back in the day when I signed up for Pandora in like 2010, I lived in Fresno. So still to this day, 15, 14 years later,

I still get Fresno ads, you know, between sets, between like, you know, depends on how you, three or four songs. Sometimes if you skip too much, they'll show you an ad. I'm not paying for ad-free. I'm loving the Fugazi Fridays I have one that I've been meaning and throughout for a while

and finally remembered to share comment sections honestly what are we doing you read these whether it's Twitter Facebook YouTube etc it's always either I like this

or something negative like your content sucks which is even funny because that means that person is actually tuning in to something they don't like sometimes you have the crowd that chimes in, I totally agree, and then proceeds to restate the same point as the podcaster,

like they're trying to make it about them. Very rarely does anyone actually chime in with a new perspective. And even then, I just don't understand the mindset it takes to shout these things into the internet void for a few strangers and likely bots. Maybe I'm crazy. My thing with YouTube is I love listening to live music. So if you just type in whatever you want to here. And I like typing in whoever the artist is, acoustic. Right? If I'm in the mood, if I hear a song at the gym and I get back, it's like, boom, bomb acoustic or boom, boom, boom. And all the comments would be like, let's just use an example. Like, let's just say I throw on like Metallica. Metallica acoustic. Turn the page from like

1999 or, you know, an old video. All the comments, if you just search newest, will be like, Remember when music was great? You just don't hear music like all these losers now playing music would die to sound. Everything in a weird way is like complimentary but a shot. It's like, yeah, it was just a good song. Like it's fine. Music today, music always, do you know what's funny? Is I remember driving around with my dad a lot when I was a kid.

He was a farmer, so he used to take me to the fields and stuff, bonding, whatever, drive around. And he listened to music from the six. in the 70s, when he was young and growing up. And for the most part, especially when I was really young, I was like, this music sucks. And then the older you get, you're like, God, I like that music. And you can easily listen to it.

And he thought the same about mine. He's like, what the fuck are you listening to? It'd be like, you know, doggy style from Snoop Dogg, like, throw on track three, Dad. And he just didn't like it. But as you get older, you kind of like what your parents listen to. you like what you grew up listening to and then the new music

now I like I was thinking about this today in the shower do new bands exist like do new bands like Nirvana Pearl Jam Metallica and obviously go back well before them whoever bands from the 80s

it just felt like the 70s Ozzy Osia you name it there's bands do bands do rappers still exists country music stars still exist I also thought do R&B singers still exist when I was a kid

1025 in Sacramento was the big like I would say hip hop channel but for every rap song there were multiple R&B songs play R&B was huge in the 90s does that genre exist anymore I mean they were some of the biggest stars in music

Boys and Men easily is one of the biggest groups of my life any genre when Eddie De Bartolo when the 49er shut down candle stick in, what was the last year playing there? 2013. It was the game

where Navarro Bowman picked off Matt Ryan the pick of the stick. It was sweet. I was on the field. It was badass. I was standing right next to Chris Berman. It was one of the coolest moments in my sport life. I remember looking up, the place going nuts. They had a huge, like, after everyone stayed, they had a stage. Eddie DeBardolo's

favorite band, I guess, was Boys to Men, and they played a bunch of songs. I think the bass guy is like, I don't know if you got sick or he's not even in the group anymore, but it was only three of them. But it hit me the other day. Like, it doesn't exist. But I'm telling you, if you're my age or older, go listen to a song from like the 70s, 80s, 90s, whatever, and just look at all the comments. It basically is just shitting on music today. And I've never understood. Like, I've always liked music. Like, what kind of music you listen to? I'm like, whatever's good.

Like, I listen to more often than not certain things. But if something, you're not, you know, I've always liked music. but if something is good, I'm going to like it. But yet it feels like, at least on the internet, everyone just talking shit. And let's face it, most people are kind of angry. Most people aren't happy. Hell, sometimes I wake up, today's a good example. Just woke up, I wasn't that happy. Didn't feel like smiling.

Just felt like not having a bad day, but I wasn't going to have a great day. Not from a production standpoint, but just from, I'm not going to be in a good mood. I just kind of want to be in a bad mood. If I was the equivalent of that, my confidence, comments would be negative. And I think majority of people that comment are just in a bad frame of mind. So I'm with you.

Now, that's why I don't even spend that much time on Twitter anymore. Because it's been the same now for like a decade. It's just a bunch of, I've always said it's the Radicals Country Club. Because there's no entry free, no entry fee. So anyone who's angry and obsessed with whatever

spends time there. And just fucking talk shit. It's all useless. and pointless. It's just irrelevant at the end of the day too. So I just, I don't spend very much time in there anymore. I spend way more time on YouTube, but it's easier to avoid the comments there because the point of the app is the video.

But when you go through the comments, like it's kind of the same thing. Now, sometimes you get a powerful thing, like, hey, this song really helped me get through a tough time. Like, that's powerful. I think you get some of that too, but I'm with you. just think comments in general, you know, tend to be pretty negative.

Fugazi Friday, watching first take this morning, and one of the topics was the WNBA committing $50 million for charter flights. So meaning the NBA is helping out, L.O.L. It's hilarious to me with some of these topics for professional women's sports, like, why can't we just be honest like we do in men's sports? I'm not saying these girls or gals aren't professionals or good athletes, but let's be real about it. The best way to actually help women's sports succeed is to move the WNBA and soccer teams to smaller cities that don't have any professional team, and I would bet that they would be

much more successful and popular because people actually go to the games. I thought one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in my entire life was the reaction to Caitlin Clark's contract. Like, you guys know this league's never turned to profit. Ethan Strauss has been writing about it forever. That the reason that you see the ads, because if me and you own a company and we buy $50 million worth of advertising for the NBA, it's built into the contract that the WNBA gets it too, but the money is going to the NBA who is subsidized in the WNBA. Now for the first time, for the first time, there is someone that I would say universally people are interested in. college women's basketball has had great players for decades.

I mean, superstar players. They were very famous in the sporting world. I think Caitlin Clark has passed that. Now, once you get that level of hype, you've got to live up to it. And if you do, I think she could help the WNBA at a lot, at least for her team and whenever she's playing. And I'm going to pay attention. But you couldn't pay me, like the majority people,

people I know to watch one of those games that doesn't have her. Yet all these women associated with the NBA NBA were all like taking shots at her. Like are you guys are you guys morons? She is your opportunity to be a rocket ship to make way more money to bring way more people into the sport. Again, I hate comparing her to this but I remember when Tiger Woods got on the scene, all the old stiff, you know, guys on tour were all talking shit about him. It's like do you realize If he's good, his importance to your bank account, it will grow dramatically. Everyone's like, I can't believe Caitlin Clark's making 75 grand. Well, the industry, she works and makes no money.

What do he thinks going on? The investment banker at 25 makes 150 grand. Well, yeah. He works for Chase Bank. They're printing cash. And this is, why does Tatum make 50 million? Because the NBA makes whatever, $5 billion. I've never understood people screaming about.

salaries or equality of pay in terms of sports. It's pretty black and white. It's all based on revenue. How most industries are, I can't speak to everyone, but I'm with you. I mean, I'm rooting for Caitlin Clark to succeed. Not because I care about the WNBA, because I think she's an interesting story. And if she is awesome and a superstar, I'll pay attention. Just like I'm sure many people listening.

It doesn't mean I'm going to watch every one of her dribbles. But the more and more, they've never had me. And I may die hard. I've literally dedicated my life talking about and working in sports. And they've never had me. And now they finally get me. And people go on television and start pushing back against her. I'm like, God, you guys are such morons.

You guys, if any of you guys ran a business, all of you would be out of it. You guys would go bankrupt. And it just shows you. Like, they've been, you know, the NBA, give David Stern credit for creating this and Adam Silver for promoting it. but you need Star Power and she is that. So the charter flights, like,

that was another story. It's like, yeah, they don't have charter flights? What business that doesn't make any money? Charter's flights? Elizabeth Thanos? SBF? Even though he actually was sneaky making money. He was just also siphoning money.

That's a whole other story. But, yeah, I don't, hell, I'd love to fly private too. Don't make enough to do that. So I'll get on Southwest for $150 bucks. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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DMs. Get your question on the show. We will start with Alex. Who was more important to their sport? Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods? And why? Shout out to my friend Harrison, who introduced me to three and out. Shout out Harrison. Shout out Harrison. Good looking, bro. I don't even think this is a question. And I would say on the aggregate, Michael Jordan is obviously bigger than Tiger Woods. It just didn't,

I think Michael Jordan, at least in my life, is easily the biggest athlete ever. You could argue in the history of time. But Michael Jordan inherited a bird magic NBA that was starting to gain a lot of traction, had a lot of momentum. The sport was not, not making

trajectory up. So to me, while Michael was enormous and his impact, if you factor in like shoes and stuff, but like I said the other day on Tiger, his impact on business casual changed society.

Someone sent me a DM the other day that was like, that was dead on. That is the look. It's the khaki polo look. So to me, when you factor in the sport, Tiger didn't move the needle. He was the needle. He literally changed golf.

Michael didn't change basketball. He just elevated it very, very highly. But because Tiger took over something that was much lower, it's, to me, it just has to be him. And we've seen versions of Michael since, I mean, Kobe was a massive, massive star. Obviously, LeBron and Steph.

We're never sniffing Tiger again. Not even close. Which sucks because we're better off with stars and it's one of the reasons golf is hurting. It's one of these reasons, these other sports, they just get such famous stars so fast. Football creates them quickly and the NBA creates them

quickly too. The NBA, though, sometimes tries to tell you someone's better than they are. but eventually the cream rises. Question for the bag. The Falcons draft Pennix and claim their plan is for cousins to be good and Pennix to start in four or five years. So plan A was to keep Penix from going to a team

where he could play right away. Plan B was to bench cousins and light $100 million on fire. This sounds like what you would do if you hated cousins, penics, and the Falcons and wanted to make them suffer. I'm having Michael and Barney on the podcast, and he's been talking about this for a while. The whole point of a front office,

like all these scouts right now, the draft just ended, they will start like diving in headfirst to the prospects this fall right now. Writing reports, getting initial information right now, banging out, especially on the top guys. Right, the top several round guys. It's not like you're banging out undrafted free agents.

But if you have the West Coast, you would go and start watching the big schools. Like, who does S.C. have? Who does Oregon have? Oregon State have anybody? Obviously, Washington, Utah. You would start gathering and you've watched them a little bit, but like studying them right now.

So the process, and then you start funneling names to your GM. Literally during OTAs, You're like, hey, check out this guy. So he, in the off-season, can start watching those guys. To have penics just crop up on you. It just felt like they were flying by the seat of their pants. Here's what I will say. A lot of reports, not penics, but Cousins is mad.

You don't get to be mad when you take the most money. When you become a mercenary, eventually the team doesn't care about you like you think they should. Because they go, that's what the money's for. you don't get to dictate all the terms. We gave you $45 million a year. Tough shit, suck it up. He's like, well, Minnesota was just transparent with me. They said they were going to draft a quarterback.

You guys never said shit yet. We don't know you that. That's what the money's for. And I do believe that. I don't think Atlanta should worry about cousins like being mad at them. But it does impact their locker room. So it's tough.

It's kind of a double-edged sword. Like suck it up, bro. You're 35, 36. years old, you've made $300 million, we're about to pay you $45 a year, play well. But also, like, you're pretty dependent on his mental capacity or mental headspace for your team. It gets back to why would you want to put him in a weird mental space? It just feels like poor team building. It really does. I've said it all along. If you could have a redo, a mulligan, as we'd like to call it on the golf course.

The Atlanta Falcons would assign Christian Wilkins and like a Gardner Minchew and the Raiders would assign Kirk Cousins. And everyone would be happy. I'd be like, yeah, the Raiders. Devonte, Bowers,

Crosby, they might have a little something. Instead, Raiders have Minchew and the Falcons have cousins and Pennix. After the draft, every analyst,

media figure, and most podcasts, speakers speak highly of so many picks and say that so many guys are great fits and will work out. We know that this is historically just not true, but it is always the same post-draft formula. I refuse to believe that former scouts just think it's all going to go smooth. If you had to pick a couple guys from the first round where you say, nope, this guy won't be getting a second deal with this team. whether due to fit, coach, player, etc., who would those guys be?

I know it's a bit of a faux pa to drop specific names and just say they won't work, but I'd love to hear your honest take. I think it's easy to be positive in the first round because you go, all these guys drafted in the first round were good in college. I mean, really good, right? Michael Panics, Caleb Williams,

Jaden Daniels, Malik neighbors, Roma Dunesay, Latu, Byron Murphy, all the players were fucking sweet on Saturday. Some are a little better than others, but let's face it, if you just look at the list, all of them, all conference, all American, dominating for playoff teams or conference champion teams. Like, none of these guys, it's easy to go like, God, the DeBronco signed McGlinchie, right? He's like, did you watch his tape last year? but you can't really say that

you could oh Nate Wiggins is a little small but you watch him at Clemson he was kicking ass and taking names so I think that's where it's fair to go like these guys are all really good players a big reason guys don't work out is because of like fit

or coach or organization so you've got to pick the quarterbacks you'd go like historically running quarterbacks can be pretty hit or miss I like Adam Peters and the organization, but you'd say you're depending on Cliff Kingsbury? That's who you're depending on. That's pretty risky.

I can see that one going sideways. One year wonder, Drake May needs a lot of work. We need to break down the fundamentals and get his feet and upper body in sync. Well, Belichick, Bill O'Brien, and Josh McDaniels will do it. Well, actually, it's Gerard Mayo and Alex Van derrick. Pelt. I can see that one going sideways pretty fast. Right. The Pinnock situation. It could just, what if Cousins just plays three, you know, like, what are you doing? Where are you at? What if he just

doesn't play? Now, I would be stunned if he doesn't play earlier than later. I would say the receivers, Malik neighbors. He's a speed-wide receiver going to a team that no quarterback and their starting quarterback coming off in ACL, I think we all agree, isn't very good. And not exactly Mahomes and Josh Allen throwing bombs. That could be a disaster. Latu, who is a stud, if he's healthy, he's going to dominate. Two years ago, like Pennix had injuries that no one ever said you'd never play again. He just had to rehab and get back on the field.

A doctor literally looked at him and said, you need to retire because your neck is that. messed up. Not like your ab or a quad or something that's degenerative, your neck. He plays defensive line where you literally hit your neck on an offensive lineman or running back or tackling whoever. Every single play. Not even just in the games. In every practice, your neck is in a collision. I like the pick.

I like the Colts. But that's a little scary. I mean, that's really kind of scary. And then all these corners, the Eagles corner was pretty legit. But the other guys, I mean, Kool-Aid had a down year. What's his name? The Lions took Tarionne Armstead, who I think said that it was a coin flip between,

I think, didn't the Lions take him? Maybe speaking on a turn. Brain's not exactly working. But it was a coin flip. The Raiders taking him at 13, and the, Antonio Pierce came out and said, That's BS. We're always going with Bowers.

I think a lot of teams, when they talk to a guy, they're just being nice. Like, listen, we liked you a lot. It was a coin flip. It's like, hey, I liked you a lot. I'm just not really in the mood for a relationship. You're just trying to be nice to the other person. But I think a lot of top 15 guys cannot work out.

You know, Marvin Harrison, what if just Kyler keeps getting hurt? What if Kyler got hurt again? He's been hurt. multiple times in his career. What's Larry Fitzgerald, who's one of the greatest players ever at that position? Larry Fitzgerald in his prime, all-time great.

Had countless years where he's just playing with nobody's. So I've kind of been talked out of the Joe Alt. Everyone I know feels good about his ability to bend at 6-9 or 6-8. And if Harbaal likes you, I just, if Harbaal likes you as an offensive lineman, I believe you.

So hopefully that was enough guys to crush right there. And again, I say it all the time. I'm actually much more comfortable crushing coaches and front office people than I am players because I respect. It's way harder. Now, it's hard to be a coach, you know, just in time. You spend a lot of time in the office, but just because you spend a lot of time doing something doesn't mean you're any good. If you play in the NFL, definitely if you get drafted in the first round, that is an incredible accomplishment. That your friends, like, I can get to become an offensive coordinator because my friend becomes the head coach.

or I can become a defensive line coach in the NFL because a guy I've known forever becomes the defensive coordinator. Doesn't mean I'm actually any good. You can't luck into being the eighth pick or the 12th pick or the 30th pick or the 50th pick. You have to do that on your own. And even if you play in the NFL and struggle,

like how many humans you know that play in the NFL? It's not easy. So I have a lot of respect, even for guys that don't live up to the hype or fail. Now, if you fail like Jamarcus, because you're drinking the purple syrup, whatever they called that. What was that drink?

The purple drink. And you're just, or Johnny Mansell, you're bragging about doing blow and hanging out in Vegas the night before games because you just, you know, took off. Like, I don't respect that.

But if you're legitimately trying and you're just not good enough, it's hard. But I have, I have a ton of respect for anyone that plays in the NFL, that gets, that plays in the NFL, that holds on,

struggles, like a fringe player. Like, that shit's hard. Really hard. And it's cut throw. Like, they'll get rid of you at the moment's notice. I've been part of it. I've been in these meetings. Like, you're just, you're kind of viewed as a widget.

It's like, you're not good enough, upgrade them. Cut this guy at the practice squad, bring in this guy. Kickers hurt. Oh, we need an extra Ross's spot. Get rid of that guy. I listen to you every podcast and respect your insight. I'm a Raider fan, but I love Anthony Richardson. I don't like the narrative that he's injury prone.

The Colts have a history of not. protecting their quarterbacks. And I feel like if Ursae signed, Taylor Richardson would not have had to carry the load in the, oh, I think you mean, oh, sorry, you didn't put a comma here. If they wouldn't assign Taylor, Richardson wouldn't have to carry the load in the run game, and he could have had a good run at rookie of the year. He was running and passing because the franchise didn't protect him and sabotaged his rookie season. What do you like about that, or what do you think about that take?

I don't know. His, one, his shoulder injury was one of the least violent tackles of his short career. It was pretty innocuous tackle that gets made basically every other play in the NFL. And it ruined his season. He had a play, which he's always going to have because he's got a little Cam Newton to him with his size and power in the end zone where he, I think, either dove in or got hit late. and I think he got a concussion, that he is just going to be part of some big collisions. I do think it's part of his play style,

because I think his comp is a little more Cam Newton. And when you are Cam Newton, like I'd run too. He's bigger and stronger than everyone else. But Cam, at least early on in his career, could withstand this. And he didn't as much. We can talk about all we want, the, like, pusification of football.

they're not as big and you can't hit the quarterback but these linebackers and safeties are all running like four fives four fours moving at rapid speed yeah they're not as big as guys in the 90s because it's more smaller in a space game but they're definitely running faster so if you're getting hit

you're just going to take a punishment until he proves that he can sustain and that's the worry with any running quarterback because there are going to be hits that you're going to take as a running quarterback that Jared Goff just never will take. It doesn't mean Jared Goff can't get hurt, but there is a part of his pie chart as a player, right? Like, he can only get hurt really in the pocket because that's the only place he is. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees. The running

quarterback, really the whole field is up for grabs because you're going to scramble a lot outside of the pocket to throw? Well, like, what if you're scrambling to throw and it's Roquan Smith out there? His ability to trigger on that and get to you in the blink of an eye or Fred Warner. And then when there is open space, you take off, like you don't get to the sideline fast enough.

Jalen Ramsey's out there. Buckle up, kid. So I think there's elements of a running quarterback. Some guys don't get injured. But if you think about a lot of running quarterbacks, like I saw it with Michael Vic. He just kind of ran around and got injured. Lamar is great.

kind of avoiding it. Cam, the pounding over time. It's the worry with Josh Allen. It's like the pounding over time, is it going to catch up to him in his younger years? It's football. You get hurt. Burrow gets hurt in the pocket.

I guess this calf injury last training camp, he was scrambling around, but that could have been a dehydration thing. But I guess my overall point is you can't put a label on them. Right, injury prone, not injury prone. But I do think it's fair to say, because I don't think Jonathan Taylor

would have impacted that much. I really don't. because they're going to use his legs. Maybe a little less now that they're a little nervous. But I think until he proves that he can just play two months straight, it's going to be a question. Once you become, like, can this guy handle it? It's just fair.

That's the way people in the league talk. You know, it's not like a narrative that only people in the outside talk about. Like, I think if you just pulled people in the NFL, people like him a lot, I think he blew away people during the draft process, as a guy character-wise. And a lot of people I know loved his physical. Like, people were all in on him.

And I just think that guys like that make you nervous when they get hurt early on. He could have eight straight years where he never gets injured again. But if he gets injured again, like that narrative, which he created, not him, but just the situation will only grow. I think the Colts, I think they're going to be good. I think them and the Texans got like,

both of them could be 11-12 win teams. Whoever doesn't win the division still could be a hell of a team. Like the Niners and Rams this year, the Packers and Lions. I think those two teams got a chance to kick some ass. Appreciate everyone listening. Have a great weekend. Talk to everyone soon.

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