The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Purdy shows up to camp, NFL rapid fire, Jay Gruden joins the pod

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

John opens the pod talking about the 49ers and how Brock Purdy has shown up to camp and how that tells you that there is good blood between both sides and it looks like eventually a deal will get worked out. Also, John talks about the comment made from Davante Adams about the 49ers and how the 49er organization has denied making any comments. Later, John dives into the report that the Browns and Giants are fielding calls for the number two and number three picks in the draft. Lastly, John is joined by former NFL head coach, Jay Gruden to talk about the upcoming NFL Draft and dive into the players that he is very high on heading into Thursday night. 5:14 - Brock purdy is at camp 15:19 - Davante Adams speaks 18:11 - Titans will take Cam Ward 21:37 - Will the Browns or Giants trade their pick 33:00 - Jay Gruden joins the podcast Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And these holdouts, these hold-ins, have become pretty consistent in the NFL. The amount of money that guys are scheduled to make, whether you're a linebacker, a wide receiver, a pass rusher, an offensive lineman, has never been more. Obviously, these quarterbacks now, I mean, a low-level quarterback deal pays $100 million guaranteed. You saw Sam Darnold get 55 guaranteed based on one really good season after an awful start to his career. You've seen guys like Gino Smith get huge extension after huge extension, and he was a lifetime backup relative to these guys that were scratching our head. It's like, you gave two a what? Jordan Love had eight good games and he got like $175 million.

Tootanga Vailoa, you saw Trevor Lawrence, we don't even know if he's a good player. And he got $200 million guaranteed. There's a ton of money on the line. And I totally understand. understand it, I've always supported a player when you're talking, you could be talking 40, 50, 60 million dollars guaranteed, let alone 100 million plus. The moment you get on the field in an OTA situation, in a training camp situation, injuries can be out of your control. Someone falling on your leg, you tripping and falling, you planning the wrong way, and it can get yourself into a situation where you're injured, listen, it's a cutthroat league.

there's a reason we call it not for long you will be thrown in the trash with a quickness and anytime you have a chance to make that much money at a young age I totally understand and support people making business decisions because we all do it in our walk of life obviously for 99.9% of us we are not talking 100, 150, 200 million dollars

but you got to fight for yourself and you have to be you have to have a cold-blooded, cold-hearted streak in any industry when it comes to money, because that's the way this world operates specifically in this country. But I also think that not everything needs to be really acrimonious. And not everything needs to be some war, the agent and the player versus the team. Sometimes you can work together. And we have seen it pretty consistent.

These holdouts have turned into hold-ins. and Brock Purdy has had a front row seat on this. A couple years ago, Nick Bosa held out, and then he got a historic amount of money. But he missed all of training camp, and when he got back, he didn't play that well. Last year, Brandon Iyuk held in. And let's face it,

I don't ever remember the 49ers, of all their different administrations, ever regretting a contract so quickly. And if they could have, they gladly would have traded a, this offseason. But because he's injured and makes a ton of money, no one was going to touch him. Not

a soul in the league, rightfully so. I wouldn't either if I was one of the other 31 teams. He's owed way too much money and way too many questions, question marks about the health of his leg. But it shows you how quickly the 49ers turned on him because let's face it, Tim Kawakami and a bunch of people that covered the 49ers

have discussed this at length. They did not look favorably on how that was handled. Because there's a point of being professional and then there's kind of jumping that line and becoming unprofessional. And the 49ers clearly think that Brandon Iuk and his camp acted that way. And I think if you're Brock Purdy, you've kind of seen every different element of this. Nick Bosa, who is the type player that you just, a blank check, he kind of gets to dictate

the terms. Brandon Iuke, who, listen, I'm not trying to play Monday morning quarterback. I thought it was insane for them not to trade them. They're never going to have a guy where they, in that offense under Kyle, that's going to catch 90, 100 balls. That is not how they play. So to pay a guy a premium that's going to catch between 70 and 80 balls, I thought was kind of nuts. And they ended up doing it.

And I think if you're Brock Purdy, you know you're in a really good situation. You know this coach and general manager love you. You know, the team really likes you. You know, I've seen this a couple years ago when the 49ers turned on Trey Lance. It wasn't just the GM and the coach doing it. The star players on the team didn't think he could play. honestly the basketball team in the region is going through it currently with Jonathan Kaminga. Everyone's like Steve Kerr doesn't like him. Clearly neither do the star players because

if they thought he could play, he would be on the court. And the 49ers from the front office to the coaching staff to the players, they believe in this guy. And listen, is he going to get Trevor Lawrence $200 million? I wouldn't do that deal. I don't think the 49ers are comfortable doing that deal. But even if you get quote unquote a low end quarterback deal, you're talking $150 million guaranteed. And if you're Brock Purdy, you have made a lot of money off the field because you play for this brand.

Easily, not even close, one of the top brands in the NFL to play for. And when they're good, you directly profit off it. It's not all equal. Brands discriminate in the NFL, right? There's a reason if you play quarterback for the Jags, if you play quarterback for the Houston Texans,

you're not going to make as much when you play for the Green Bay Packers, the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Dallas Cowboys, the San Francisco 49ers. Dak Prescott, while he's made a lot of money up on the field, he's made a ton off the field because he's played for the Dallas Cowboys. Now, in those negotiations, clearly that's never factored in. Guys like Dak give me the most money possible. And we see how that limits the team they put around them, which, we can argue till we're

blue in the face, whether that's fair or not, but that's a reality of the business you're in. And if you're Brock Purdy, like, you want to do a good deal with the 14th. You want to get paid, but you want them to be happy with you. Because if they're not, they will discard you very, very quickly. We have just seen their actions this offseason. They will turn on a player really, really quickly. And I think, and I give Brock Purdy credit. Now, listen, if you told me last week, do you think Brock Purdy is not going to show up?

I would have said, no. I would have imagined he would have showed up. So I guess I'm not shocked that he's there. But I also think that's just smart business. you want to be in business with people where there's trust on both sides. And I think we've kind of jumped the shark over the last three or four years with some of these deals and some of these acrimonious situations. Like I appreciate some of these contracts that get done.

The Eagles are great at this. They break their guys off early, everyone's happy, and there just aren't these weird situations. The Chiefs have been pretty consistent, you know, obviously Patrick Mahomes, but the way they've treated Travis Kelsey. It got a little weird with Chris Jones, and clearly they were uncomfortable with that. And the 49ers over the last couple of years, some of their situations with Trent Williams,

with Nick Bosa, obviously with Ayyuk, with Debo several years ago. Like, it hasn't been smooth. And they don't want to go through that with Purdy. And Purdy doesn't want to go through that with them. Now, what do they ultimately meet at? The average per year is thrown out all the time. I do not care about that at all.

You can tell me the average per year is $100 million. If they guaranteed them $100 million total, like, that's a win. And I'm sorry, like, I do think how much they paid this player in this situation really matters. And I'm not one of those people, and I've seen this thrown out, that they should get rid of them, try to draft another guy. If the NFL knew that Shador Sanders was going to be as good as Brock Purdy, there is

no way he would slip back past the number two overall pick. Like, Brock Purdy is proven you can win with them. As long as your team is good. It's why I've said the pressure this offseason is not as much on Brock Purdy. He's established and shown you what he is. It's on John and Kyle. Because like the other quarterbacks in the NFC, Jalen Hertz, Jared Goff, they really benefit from playing on a loaded roster.

And they're also on long-term, highly paid contracts. So the 49ers have high draft picks at pick 11, and they draft high in every round. They got multiple third-round picks. you've got to crush this draft. If you were going to do what the Rams did a couple years ago and kind of retool your roster, make it cheaper and make it more long-term cost-effective,

you better get the draft right. And the pressure right now on the 49ers front office is enormous. But like I said, not all things are equal. And George Kittle did not show up. Don't totally blame them. Because of all the guys on the team last year, in a devastating season, they won six games and going into the season,

they were the favorite to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl. He was one of the few that had a fantastic season. He's 31 years old. He's going in the last year of his contract.

It's time to give him an extension. And I don't blame him. This guy laid it on the line in a season when guys were injured, guys were disappearing, and they were losing games, and he was a second team all pro.

And in his position, unlike wide receivers or tackles or pass rushers, he doesn't get paid a premium. But I also understand if I was him and I'm training in Nashville, like I don't really want to come back. And until you make it lucrative enough for me to come back,

like you know what I stand for. You know what I bring the table from the leadership on and off the field standpoint. So that's a situation for the 49ers that I think is a pretty easy one. You've cut all this, you know, in their minds, trimming the fat of letting all these guys walk and not paying any of them. Like George Kittle is one of those guys. And I'm not always for giving guys third, third and fourth contract extensions,

but the way George played last year, and especially his position, you can give him like guarantee $30 or $35 million, and it's not very complicated to figure out. Devante Adams had some comments that he said that his agent told him that the 49ers, who were interested in Adams this offseason, wanted him at a wholesale price,

not at retail prices, or basically that they were willing to pay wholesale price, They weren't cutting retail type checks. And he laughed at like, I'm not a wholesale player. And John Lynch came out today and denied it. And listen, the offseason does not determine your success and failure in terms of like teams that win free agency. And teams that Mel Khyper, who I'm pro Mel Khyper, but part of the business is giving teams draft grades the day after Saturday happens. It's like, A, C, B, F.

It's like no one has any freaking clue, not a soul out of the league or in the league. But like the 49ers, I would say for the first time in many, many years, feel like they have some negative, a black cloud kind of around the organization in terms of positive momentum. In comments like this, like don't necessarily make them look great. Now, John Lynch denied it. He said 100%. I've never said that. He was asked if Kyle would have said that.

He laughed. He said, Kyle does not talk to agents. so 100% he didn't say that. There's nothing they can really do this offseason to shut everyone up. It's just going to come this fall and they're going to have to win games. And they're going to have to do it with a lot of new players on the roster. And listen, it's the NFL. You get new players every single year in the roster,

but they're going to have a lot of turnover. And they are going to be very, very dependent on young players to have an impact immediately. And obviously they're going to have a quarterback who sometime between now and sometime in training camp is going to have. a new contract and have a ton of added pressure do play at a pro bowl level because it's one thing when you get to listen i'm i'm playing for a million dollars a year whatever you're getting is gravy and that that's there's truth to that right but the moment i give you you know 150 175 million dollars guaranteed and the biggest contract in the history of the franchise there is a huge amount of

pressure then that immediately amps up what was already there and he is obviously one of the most polarizing players in the league. Kyle's one of the most polarizing coaches in the league. And I mean, when you are Super Bowl less and a guy like Nick Siriani has a Super Bowl, like, and the Eagles seem loaded, the Lions seem loaded. You got Washington that's an up-and-coming team. You got the Rams that are going to have a ton of momentum coming in. You know, in a weird way, the 49ers should get to fly under the radar, but we know that's

not what's going to happen. So the 49ers are going to just continue to be, you know, I would say most people are going to pick against them. Big couple days coming up Thursday and Friday for John Lynch and Company. The Titans all but confirmed what we already knew. Mike Borganzi today

said that we are sticking at one and we're all on the same page, a.k. we are taking Cam Ward. Listen, anytime you go through a season with Will Levis and who I think he called a quarterback in our room, so not exactly

I don't even think there's a lock. If you told me Will Levis has traded for like a seventh round pick to another team, I'd be a little stunned of Will Levis on the team for the Titans in 2025. My guess is he's somewhere else. And I do think they could probably ship him for like a future seventh. Like they basically give him away. But Cam Ward is going to get the keys of this franchise. And if he is just solid, I don't know if they could be a playoff team,

but they could be a much more serviceable, operation that they were last year, which was basically an embarrassment. Chris Ballard had some interesting comments. I would say if I'm Anthony Richardson, I better come in with basically my hair on fire. I mean, I better be just full steam ahead, off-season activities, OTAs, the meetings. I mean, every time I step into that building, I better be as locked in and focused as I've ever been in my entire life. because Chris Ballard made a comment. His competition is Daniel Jones,

and we all laugh at that. They believe in him. And Chris Ballard said, I believe that both quarterbacks will help us this upcoming season. They don't have much belief right now in Anthony Richardson. And that's what happens

when you get drafted really high and you overwhelm on and off the field. I mean, the situation with him tapping out, the way he was kind of benched, the way his teammates had to talk to, them like they're just not that high on them and I don't blame them how could they be now do i like their contingency playing with daniel jones i think it's a little insane i think it's borderline crazy but they did that and listen their head coach is not going to go down being embarrassed on

offense right anytime that you are an offensive quote unquote guru and your quarterback can't complete basic routes and you can't get first down because he can't hit wheel routes or basic outroutes, and you think that just an inaccurate quarterback, and Ballard's been talking about this, you can't play quarterback at a high level if you are consistently inaccurate. They will look for someone else,

and they've already proven this offseason that they believe that they had to bring in competition. It's an open competition. You know, Ballard, which I think makes people nervous, said like, you know, me, Shane, Jim Bob, the offensive coordinator, Jim Ursay. People like, wait, Jim Ursay is involved, in the quarterback decision, I think he's just

kind of playing corporate manager, like being smart. Do I think Jim Ursay is going to be the guy pulling the trigger on who's starting? I don't. I think sometimes you just, like, you just have to say that out loud. But I would say that Anthony Richardson's job is very much

in jeopardy. And they're already showing by their words, because we know by their actions, they weren't cool with it. By their words now, they've doubled down and their actions of bringing another guy. He better play well. Because I think if all things are equal, they'll go with Daniel Jones. And last but at least, Peter Schrager mentioned today on Espin, his new employer, that the Browns and the Giants are getting calls for pick two and three.

And what I think is so fascinating about this draft is it's viewed as like a three-player draft, really a two-player draft in terms of Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter are big-time prospects. obviously Ashton Genty is viewed as one of the best players in this draft and then everything else is just a crapshoot, right? I mean, every guy once you start moving down, like Will Campbell, people love the guy, but the short arms things make people very, very uncomfortable. I think Jalen Walker of Georgia, who if you just throw on that Texas game in the regular season, the guy looked like Lawrence Taylor meets T.J. Watt meets Miles Garrett. He was an unstoppable force. He's six foot one. You know, I mean, if he was six five, he probably, probably be the number two overall pick. But every guy, you know, Mason Graham, he's just not that tall, which is not the end-all, be-all, but people do like you to look the part when I'm going

to draft you three, four, five, right? And I think this draft, I'll be stunned if there are a lot of trades for teams trading up. I don't expect that to happen. Because in a draft, when there's a reason there's the first draft, more than likely, we're going to go into Thursday night without one first round trade. before the start of the draft, which is unheard of.

I mean, it does not happen. Typically, we have like several, but in a draft that isn't viewed as good, doesn't have the quarterback star power, that's not going to take place. So I actually expect a lot of teams trying to trade back, but the problem is it takes two to tango.

And if I don't love the prospects as a front office, as a GM, I'm not trading up. Why wouldn't I just wait where I am and let someone fall into my lap? so I think there's going to be a lot of teams on the horn Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday morning, begging teams to come up

and I think it's going to be very, very difficult to find a trade partner. I really do because if you are a team at pick 10, at 15, at 20, at 25, why would you, it's one thing to move a spot or two, but to do like the 20 to 10 or 15 to 8, like that is not cheap. That is not, you have, typically pay premiums to move up five, eight, ten spots in the first round. Even if it's like obviously you got to pay extra usually when it's quarterbacks,

but there is just a basic going rate based on the chart of moving from. And again, I'm just, I'm not necessarily picking teams. I'm just using examples, 14 to 6 or 20 to 11. Like there are one, there's precedent teams that have made similar trades. And then there's just a chart of like, this is what. it costs. So like, why am I going to give a second round pick, a third round pick to move up four or five spots when I can essentially get a similar group of players? All I've heard from my friends and a lot of these guys draft in the 20s, so they're not as caught up and like Abdul

Carter and the Travis Hunters. But they say the difference of the guy that's going to go somewhere between like 9 and 14 and the dude that's going to go 25 to 32. It's not very deep. Why? Because this is a draft, and I bet some of these GMs in their post-draft press conferences, which they usually do, we'll say comments like this. We had seven first-round guys graded. We had 10 first-round grades.

In a good draft, usually that number somewhere between 20 to 24. I think a couple years ago, I remember John Schneider said they had like 17. But obviously, if you have 17 first-round grades on players and you draft 24th, there's a decent chance that all those guys gone. Now, everyone boarded a little different. There's a decent chance that guy's still there.

But there are going to be a lot of teams drafting in the first round. They're going to draft guys that they don't feel that comfortable based on their draft grade. Not that they don't like the player. Not that they don't think the player is good. But if I'm drafting at pick 13 and I only had eight first round talents in the draft and they all went somewhere in the top 12, I then am drafting a guy and paying him the 13th overall based on the wage scale but I think I'm getting a second round player

so that's what makes drafts like this and again none of this determines how good these guys will be there are going to be a ton of guys in the top 12 picks that will not get their fifth year option picked up just like there are going to be several guys in the 20s the 30s the 40s that will go on to be pro bowl high level starters

but we don't have any of that information. So it's all based on how they were as a prospect. Right? So Cam Ward could be better than every quarterback in last year's draft. That can happen, right? But right now, if you pulled every team in the league, I saw Schefter put out something today, he's had one team, and it's easy to do when you're like the bills,

but I'm not saying they were the team that told them this. Do not have a first round grade on any of the quarterbacks, on any of them. And obviously that includes Cam Ward. So anytime you have these situations, there is going to be huge discrepancies, team to team. That also means you were going to see players, like based on the mock drafts,

there are going to be some players that are going to be locks to go relatively high, top 12, right? We know the top couple guys, but Will Campbell, a Mason Graham, whoever. But all of a sudden, like Will Johnson, He might be there at pick 28, where before the season, people thought he was like a top 10 pick. And all of a sudden, it's like, wait, he went to the Lions, right? Or he went to the Rams.

So you got to be very careful in years like this with mock drafts because you get very used to certain players going at certain levels. And then the draft comes and all of a sudden, the eighth pick is some guy that you haven't really heard of. Or consistently seen. Like you've seen him mocked in the 20s and all of a sudden he goes 8. That is going to happen. And it's simply because in a draft like this, the grades are going to be all over the freaking map when it comes to GMs, when it comes to front offices, and more specifically when these coaches get involved. Because like it or not, if you're the general manager, the scouting departments, coaches,

the highest paid guy in your front office slash coaching staff is the head coach. there is not I would say Howie is probably the only guy right now as of April 22nd that makes more than his head coach but if Siriani gets a contract extension he is

going to be making more now that's not going to change the internal dynamic but if you just go around like less need really high level GM he doesn't make even close to what Sean McVey makes John Lynch a lot of success as GM Calhianian makes double what the guy makes

So you get in these situations that if the coach really wants something, and sometimes it's not just him. It's like his assistant coaches, quarterback coach, his coordinators, his D-line coach. Those are his scouts, right? Those are the guys he leans on for their opinions. And they have a lot of sway this time of year. So buckle up because this thing's about to get crazy.

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to take a lot of money off as buddies. Jay, former head coach in the NFL, and now trying to head to the senior tour. How's it going? I'm not quite there. Got a long way to go to get to the senior tour, but everything else is good. They had enjoying golf and been enjoying watching this group of guys in the draft.

It's going to be interesting draft class. I'll tell you that. There's a lot of guys that are, I guess, on paper pretty good, that didn't produce a whole lot. You're hoping that, you know, things catch up to them and a lot of developing need to be some guys have already put a lot of good stuff on tape but don't have the measurable so to speak so interesting interesting draft class how do you balance as a head coach listening to your assistant coaches in their opinions obviously

the front office and the scouts have a lot of opinions but then the coaches get involved pretty heavily right right post combine right around the combine and then really dive in over the past month and they got opinions and they obviously got friends and coaching friends so uh how do you balance that this time of year. You're exactly right. I welcomed all the opinions so long as I knew that they were actually watching and did their work. You know what I mean? I took a lot of, you know, I like listening to different opinions. I didn't, I never thought that my opinion was the only one that mattered. You know, I like to have people differ with me so I can go back and see their point of view and then maybe change my mind. Sometimes I'd change their mind, but I think the more

opinion is the better. Obviously, you have to come up with one at the end of the day. Everybody has to respect the final decision. Hopefully it's a team decision. they may disagree with you, which happened to me a lot. We took a lot of guys that I did not want. But some of them turned out to be good. Some of them I was right on, damn it. But yeah, you have to take into account of everybody's opinion because you respect it and then you go back and try to figure out which is best for your team.

You know, I get asked a lot, obviously, the scouting calendar. You know, your area scouts are watching these guys. You know, your GM's watching the top guys throughout the fall when you're coaching. When did you dive in? and then free agency comes obviously a month before, so you've got to be on top of those guys and knowing your own guys and then doing the self-cutups and edits of your own team. When did you start watching guys and, you know, of a class?

Let's just pick a number, 250 guys in a class. How many of those guys were you actually watching? I was watching a lot more than probably any other coach. Right after the, right after free agency, once we graded all the free agents, our own free agents won, and then the street free agents from other teams in the NFL, how we can better our football team right away at free agency. Then I dove into the college football tape.

And I really like to watch the, like to kind of wait until after. I try to watch it. I try to make tapes with the 60 guys we would interview with the combine. So I'd start with those guys first. So I'd do the 60 guys we'd interview at the combine. I make a tape of each one of those guys. So when I did the interview, I was prepared to see what their strengths or what the weaknesses were so I could really get them down for 15 minutes.

I would start with those guys. And after that, I would go dive into everybody else Watch a senior bowl at East West Shrine. Watch your combine if they participate with the combine. Watch your highlight tape, watch some game film. So yeah, it was a good process. But once you got all the information together, able to put the cutups together,

and you can watch it a little bit quicker. But I tried to watch as many as I could because you figure, you get seven rounds worth of the guy. So that's a lot of guys. About 250, 300 guys. Would you have the scouting department give you kind of the layout position by position? Would you approach it by kind of rounds? what would be your plan of attack?

I'd like to have our board, you know, how we rank them for second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round. So I'd go, I'd have that. But I'd also do, I like to buy team, actually, because if I was watching Alabama play Georgia, I want to know all the guys on Georgia and all the guys in Alabama.

So I'd kind of knock out eight or ten guys at once. I kind of did that. And I'd also find some free agents, some street free agents that way as well. So I tried to watch as many games as I could. But once I narrowed it down, I started watching an individual. guys. Like I said, I'd watch a couple games and I'd watch their senior bowl, all their

practices at the senior ball, their pro day, and obviously their combine and get my evaluation. Well, I was going to start with some NFL questions, but we might as well just stay on this. I was watching a lot of videos that you do with kind of a Scottsdale crew with AQ and Justin Pew and I think Colt moved back to Texas. But, you know, he lived in AZ for a long time. Let's just start with the top guy, all signs point to it being a law. kind of a crazy career. I mean, when you first got into football, these guys playing at three programs,

and not just for a year. I mean, the dude from Louisville had three different careers, but same with Cam Ward, multiple years of Incarnate Word, multiple years in the Pac-12, and then obviously at Miami, I was just thinking, I just got back from the gym, took a shower. You know, historically, this transfer portal wouldn't have it existed.

He would have been drafted last year in, let's say, the fourth round or whatever. Think how much money. he made on two fronts, right, going to Miami, getting paid millions, and then improving his stock, obviously he's talented. What are your thoughts of watching him during the fall and obviously just kind of breaking down some of his games? Yeah, I think you're right.

I think a lot of these guys have so much tape now to watch, man, it's crazy. You know, so, but his improvement, you know, it was very similar to Jaden last year where he watched him play at Arizona State for three years, and then obviously LSU for T. You can just see a steady rise of improvement. But Cam's a little bit like that, not to the extent of Jaden, in my opinion, but he's got the arm talent, he's got the quick whip, he's got the accuracy, he's got the anticipation. He's got the poise. Sometimes it's too much poise. He's chilling, you know, not moving a muscle,

skirting out of bounds and all the cool stuff that he does. But I'm more interested in the way he handles pressure, which he does pretty well. He can escape pressure with his legs. He can avoid pressure with his slight movements in the pocket, still stand tall as a passer, and he can throw with different arm angles, and he's pretty damn accurate. He's got enough armed talent. So I think all science points him being the best quarterback in a draft just because of his steady, consistent production, his accuracy

and his armed talent and his athleticism. I saw that you were, may correct me if I'm wrong, high on Tyler Shuck, the quarterback coming out of Louisville. I don't know if you've seen the picture going viral of him going to the prom with Purdy. They were the same age.

And Purdy's four-year starter in college and the three-year starter in the NFL and this guy, what I'm talking about. Three-year career at Oregon. three-year career tech and then one year at Louisville. The guy's been in college longer in doctors. But he's a guy that's a very fascinating prospect. If you and I were in a draft room, I'd say, coach, this guy's age, I mean, he should have a huge advantage. You know, this is some of those BYU kids that were 25 manhandling kids for years because they would go on the mission.

That would leave me a pause. I know he can spin it. I know people are high on him. But what a mental advantage he had against his competition. I was 26. I already played four years in the arena football league for God's sake. It is a huge advantage. You think about it, the maturity. You know, he had some clean bone bricks, the injury history. Obviously, he's a concern. I think the medical teams will have to take a look at it,

but obviously he's okay. And I know Jeff Brom pretty well from University of Louisville. I talked to him a lot about him, and he loves his competitiveness. He's obviously his armed talent is what it is on what you see on tape, very strong, very accurate. he's got athleticism. So yeah, I think you say, man, for a young kid, he got to take a chick. Well, he's not young. He's 26, you know?

Yeah. You got to weigh all that in. So I don't know what the thing. You know, when I first saw him play on tape at Louisville, I wasn't that impressed, you know, and I'm talking to Jeff Brum and going back to watch him again and, you know, see him throw at the combine. He had some weird throws, trying to stick around and throw his sidearm and

miss the guys by 20 yards here and there. But I think if you're looking for a guy in the second or third round, I think, and you might. might have a veteran-type quarterback on your roster, maybe like the Rams or somebody like that. You get them in the building for a year, see how he does. I think he'd be worth a shot. Can you explain to people, because I get asked this a lot,

and you've been in on these meetings for years, a guy that's had broken legs or torn ACLs or messed up shoulders, but going into the combine, they get a clean bill of health. They're healthy, but their history is long. So you're not a doctor. Your GM's not a doctor. You're dependent on your trainers and doctors. When they say, you know, I'm not that comfortable.

here and you like the player or vice versa, he's clean, but you don't, aren't comfortable with his availability over the years. How do you balance that in these conversations leading up to the draft? That's very difficult. And I have to trust the trainers and the doctors, if they flunk a guy and they say he's long term going to be an issue, we take him off the board, don't draft him. And I can remember some guys, I'm like, man, some bitch is still playing, you know? Yeah. Thanks for the tip there, Doc. But that's, I mean, you have to. have because I'm not a doctor. I have no idea. They're like, well, he's going to suffer from tennonitis. He's going to have this or this. And he's going to continue to swell and get worse.

I don't know. So I have to take it for their word and I just take them off the board. So yeah, I think there's a lot of issues. I think a lot of teams have different. They have the red dots for the medical. They have the black dots for the personal. They might take them guys off the board if they're a bad person. So yeah, you have to have some kind of standards is what I'm trying to get out. Otherwise, everybody's alive and you just pick up. can bear, you know, just blind picking. Did you have non-negotiables from a personal slash character standpoint? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. We had those too. So, yeah, we, you know, that was tough. You know, some of the guys, you know, their background and history is pretty rough or their character was rough. We didn't want to take. But some guys are like, he's pretty damn good, though. I think we can work with him.

We'll keep a close eye on them. And we did take some chances with some guys with some bad character backgrounds. We probably shouldn't have. They ended up working out. And some of them, didn't work out. So, yeah. Can you tell early on, whether it's OTAs or training camp, like we might have screwed this up or,

damn, we were probably too low on this guy. He's even better than we thought. Yeah, yeah, it happens a lot. Terry McClure is a great example. We got him in a third round, for God's sakes. And he came in, and he was so good in training camp, we didn't play him in a preseason game. I was like, hell, we're not going to show anybody what this guy can do.

His explosiveness, his ability to learn quick and run every kind of route and snatch the ball. I mean, yeah. So there's been pleasant surprises like that. Not all on like that. We've had other ones on the flip end. Guys come in. We dropped in the first round that come in hurt. I got bad feet. I got bad heels. I can't practice. I can't do this. And yeah. So it's tough. It's a tough process, man. But it's fun. It's my favorite part of coaching really was the the chance to take a look at all these guys in college and watch their college. I learned a lot of football watching college tape. And obviously the evaluation process of kids and NFL guys and free agency, I think is the most important part of being a head coach.

And then you've got to develop players and obviously coach them on game day. But you got to get the right players in your building. And if you don't, you have no chance. And unfortunately, we had some good players. We've had a lot of injuries. Yeah, for sure. I remember Chris Thompson, a little running back. That guy was sweet.

Yeah. I just went to his wedding the other day, man. He's awesome. Yeah, a guy when he was healthy, he was a badass. Okay, Shador Sanders, obviously probably the most polarizing guy in this draft. What are your thoughts on him as a player? You know, I think that he's handled the pressure extremely well, being Dionne's son, being at Jackson State with all the eyeballs on him and then going to Colorado and expectations of what he's supposed to do.

I think he performed at a pretty high level. He's accurate. He's got a good arm. He anticipates things very well. I think at times he takes way too many sacks, holds a ball too long. I just feel like deep down, you know, I feel like he's worried about his completion percentage more. so than doing the right thing for the team and throwing the damn ball away. It drives me crazy. He's had many of opportunities to throw some of these balls. It takes 64 sacks or whatever it is.

That's too many for a guy athletic like that. Now, you know, his offense line wasn't great, but they weren't that bad. That's the only issue I have with him, but he's obviously a good player, good football makeup, obviously good jeans. And he has the armed talent to be pretty successful, not overwhelming, not overwhelming armed talent. They can really drive it in there. You worry about playing a windy stadium or what have you. But I think with the short intermediate passes, which most teams are running now anyway, so he can throw it on the money and anticipate it and give guys an opportunity to run with the ball after they catch it. So yeah, I think he's going to be a good prospect.

You know, I have some friends that have high school kids that play basketball now, and they say you go to some of these games, these kids shooting threes, like they think they're Steph Curry. It's like, what are you doing? And it does feel like the Patrick Mahomes generation of, you saw it last year with Caleb, obviously Cam Ward plays a little bit like that Shadour, you know, when you got into football, it was get rid of the ball, be accurate.

Most guys couldn't move, so they didn't have a choice, right? Yeah, in the 90s and the 2000s. Those guys don't really exist. I mean, is there a Kirk Cousins level athlete in this draft class and really the last couple years? All these guys, you know, Dionne Sanders' son is viewed as not a great athlete relative to his dad, but relative to like Carson Palmer or something,

he moves a lot better. So it's like, I do wonder, one, is that player dead the guy that just can't move and just a pocket quarterback? It doesn't feel like they exist anymore in college football. And two, is that just always going to be a problem with most of these athletic guys of just, especially in college and something? Can you coach it out of them? And is it a death knell like is Caleb?

Like is that a coachable attribute? Because he battled that last year. Yeah, he did battle that last year. And it is a problem. You know, some of the most athletic quarterbacks take the most sacks. You're like, what the hell, man? you know, however, athleticism at that quarterback position gives you a lot more options of the play caller. And, you know, with the zone reads and the RPO's and some of the bootlegs and the quarterback design runs,

it makes it a lot easier as a play caller. And it makes harder on defensive coordinators, quite frankly. So you want to put that type of quarterback in less positions to get sacked. Obviously, if you're behind two touchdowns or third and eight all day, you're going to have major issues. But you can control it based on your play. play calling on first and second down. But yeah, you're right. Some of these athletic quarterbacks do take more sacks for whatever reason.

There's something you've got to continue to coach them out of it, and make sure they get rid of the ball and understand the second and ten and third and ten is a hell a lot better than third and 18 and second and 18. So negative plays are what will kill you as a play caller in as a team on offense and you just got to coach it out of them. Would you feel comfortable taking Chador in the first round? I would, yeah, if I really needed a quarterback. Yeah, I mean, some of these teams don't have one.

You know, you're looking at Cleveland. They're going to go with Flacco, I guess, and the Giants are going to go with 39-year-old Russell Wilson and James Winston and some of these other teams, you know, it seems crazy. It's crazy. My last year at Jacksonville's offense coordinator, we had Gardner Minchu was hurting. And we're going to Jake Luton and Mike Lennon. I'm looking across the field.

I see Matthew Staffer warming up. I mean, this is an even fair, man. I mean, come on. You got to hit the trigger, man. I mean, it's like doing layup drill. You're looking across at Michael Jordan, and you got some little small 5-foot-9 guy is going to guard him. We might as well, what are we even playing the game for?

So, yeah, you got to find a trigger, man. I think there's a lot to like about these guys. You've got to make sure they have the right personality fit for your staff, and they have a skill that you can develop as a coach. And these guys, you know, I've never met with any of them before. These guys want to get better. The issue is these guys already got millions of dollars in their pocket when they come to your ability.

So, but the important thing for these guys to understand, they've got to get to their second contract to get there. They've got to perform high at a pretty early. early level. Ideally for a guy like Shador is he would play maybe for a year behind Russell Wilson, learn from a veteran quarterback like that or a year behind a Joe Flacco so he can learn how these guys prepare, just get his feet wet, understand systems, audibles at the line of scrimmage, what coaches are looking for, how to prepare each week, how each week is a different game plan. People are rushing these guys into duty,

and there's not many C.J. Strauss or J. Daniels, they can have that type of success as a rookie, And you coached Alex, who I think is a good example of someone that overcame dysfunctioning craziness, but he's, I mean, from a mental toughness standpoint, obviously the story about, you know, the leg situation is well documented. It's got pretty elite mental toughness. And I think you see a guy now like Baker Mayfield clearly right up there as well. Most guys, that tsunami and negativity and failure, it just, because you're going typically when you're drafted higher to shittier teams. And it can ruin your. career.

Look at Sam Darnels. And I wouldn't be surprised if some other guys come out of this whirlwind of hate and do pretty good. You never know about Will Levitts. I mean, he's going to get benched for a rookie quarterback, and maybe he'll get better two or three years and learn how to calm down and play with a little bit more poise and play with it himself. There's a lot of guys out there, Kenny Pickett.

I mean, maybe he'll get another, Daniel Jones, maybe he'll get another opportunity to succeed. Some of these guys have been through the ringer and had a lot of negativity thrown they're wearing. That's why the most important thing about being quarterback other talent is your mental toughness. You've got to be able to handle adversity. And a lot of these guys haven't had to handle adversity. And when it gets thrown their way, some of them can't handle it, quite frankly. And they go in a tank and they point to finger, they blame everybody else but themselves. They don't come out of it. But some of them that can handle it, they come out of it fine and still perform at a high level at some point in their career. Do you think later round or undrafted free agents as their career goes,

even when they prove their decent, get discriminated against where a guy drafted high like a Daniel Jones, because I got asked the other day, like Tyson Badgett. Remember that story last year that came out. Dudes on the Bears wanted him to play when Caleb was really struggling. And I don't know if you saw the Hard Knocks clip of Matt Ryan was at practice. It was like, God, this guy looks fantastic. Now, Shepard College, I couldn't even point that thing out on a map.

Undrafted Free Agent, it's going to be difficult for him ever to get an opportunity. But you see some of these guys, Daniel Jones. You got Chris Ballard's like, might end up being our starter. It's like, I don't know. I mean, it's just, it does feel when you are drafted high, at any position, but specifically quarterback, that even when you struggle, you do get more shots.

Now, Sam Donald Baker Mayfield, sometimes it works out. So it's like, I totally understand why. But it is difficult to overcome. Is it fair to say when you are a much later round pick and you don't really get to play that much, even though you actually might be pretty good if you're ever given the opportunity? Yeah, I think most guys are getting drafted high.

They get drafted high for a reason and because of their success in college or height, weight, their speed, the skill set that they have. These guys that are drafted into later rounds, you know, they might have some kind of attribute that might be interesting that you think you could develop. But there are no more sight unseen, like a small college, like Shepard College. You know, these guys, hell, some guys don't even scout Shepard College, so they don't know a lot about them, right? So if they don't have anything on tape other than the games that he played, which he played pretty damn good when he did play for the Bears. Yeah, you do. You know, that's all you have to show other teams.

So that's why it's probably less likely for them to get. multiple opportunities it is for a guy that's been drafted in the top three rounds because they played in Oklahoma or Kansas State or, you know, a big school and got a lot of tape on them. You know, when you became an offensive coordinator for Cincinnati and then obviously head coach transferring sometimes, at least in my opinion, was you viewed as kind of a negative, like, oh, you couldn't win the job so you had to leave. Now it's the complete opposite. I mean, all these guys, the last couple years, drafted one through 12 are transfer portal quarterback. So Jackson Dart, Riley Leonard, Will Howard, Kyle McCord, kind of that second

tier group. I'm sure you've watched them all. Let's start with Dart, who I know, I saw some comments you made with Colt. I don't know if you're the biggest fan. For me, it's hard to get the Florida game. I was just watching live on my couch. You got to be careful. It's hard to ever forget that moment. I can't. I can't forget. You know, that's my problem is an evaluator. Sometimes if I see something early in some guys' film evaluation process, it sticks on my head and I can't get it out, you know? And that's the same thing with Jackson.

Those couple throws against Florida late in the game when they had to win to, you know, get to the playoff, it bothered me. And same thing with Chador's performance against BYU. It bothered me a lot. You know what I mean? Obviously, you go through all the tape in their whole career and watch them throw

and watches athleticism, what he's done with Lane Kiffin and in that offensive at Ole Miss. It's been impressive. He's got athletic ability to extend plays. I just don't know if his arm strength is consistently good enough to be, you know, solid starting quarterback to national football league early. You know, he's got enough arm strength.

The balls float on him quite a bit. He doesn't look like he reads coverages, right? At times they run similar concepts very, very often. He does those pretty good, but things are a little out of whack forby struggles. But, you know, if I put on a highlight tape where I'm going to show the positives, he looks pretty damn good. Athleticism, accuracy, ball placement, everything's. pretty good for him. But, you know, I think there's just, I think you just need some time to

develop somewhere. I'm not too sure his arm strength is ever going to be quite elite enough to be a solid top tier, top 10 quarterback on national football league. I think he's always going to be a player, you know, a backup, a solid, maybe a starter, maybe a top 20 type guy, maybe a, you know, a backup quarterback for a long time, but I just don't think he's going to crack in and be one of the top quarterbacks. Hey, it's us to Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news. We've created our own podcast. called Hey Jonas.

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Early on, it felt like it was a little hit or miss. But by the end of the season, I mean, he's throwing beautiful go routes, and he looked awesome because I would say halfway through the season. I'm like, this guy, most overrated quarterback in the country. By the end of the season, it was looking like Peyton Manning in some of those playoff games. Yeah, put him on early to season and put the combine on. you'll never even want to draft them, right? Yeah.

But you put the games on that really mattered where they had to win, other than Michigan. He was pretty damn good. And very accurate, very poised, had a good handle of the offense. And, you know, I saw him on my brother's quarterback show, the QB camp thing. Very smart. I mean, very competitive.

Type of guy you want in your building, you know what I mean, a winner. And those intangibles have to mean something to an organization. I mean, this guy won a national championship. He's competitive. He's smart to sell. He wants to be great. So, you know, maybe not a first round or maybe not a second rounder, but if we get this guy early in the third to take a chance with him,

hell yeah, let's get him in our building and see what he can do. And when you draft a guy in the third or fourth round, there's way less pressure on him to be the eventual starter. If you get, you know, a 10-year backup, that's a home run pick, right? Yeah, for sure. And there's been, I mean, Russell was third round. Kirk Cousel was fourth round. There's been plenty of third rounders.

It turned out to be pretty damn good. So I think you're right. There's less pressure on to perform right away. You know, not that you don't think he's going to perform or just be a solid backup for the rest of the career. I mean, anytime he drafts a guy to third round, whatever position it is, that's a chance for them to, you know,

maybe the first year learn and be a backup, special teams or whatever, or other positions, and then eventual starter. That's what it's all about. Quarterbacks are no different. Yeah, is there a quarterback in this class? Maybe we already touched on them that you like the most,

maybe not going high, but just a guy that, you know, if you were in a building, you'd be like, I want to draft this guy sometime. You know, crazy. I'd take him in a sixth or seventh round, a quarterback from Indiana. Rourke, he's coming off an injury.

I know it. I just, I'd got to meet this guy. Because anybody who could take the University of Indiana to the playoff, college playoff, I got to meet him, right? He's pretty accurate. He played well at Ohio. He had some good games in Indiana.

Interesting guy. I don't know what his injury is, I think, is a knee. I think he played the whole year with an ACL injury. He's a guy that if I had a Matthew Stafford a, you know, veteran quarterback on my team. I'd get him in here as a third quarterback or fourth quarterback, redshirted him for a year, get him in a building.

But Quinn Ewers is interesting to me. He's accurate. Obviously, his career at Texas has been well documented. I just don't know about his arm talent either. Will Howard, we mentioned already. Jalen Milro, I'd got to get this guy. I got to get him and get him a job. I mean, I've never seen a guy run like this.

He's faster than Lamar, it looks like. He's elusive. His arm, I think he's a lot more accurate that people give him credit for. He had some tough games, and Alabama had some tough games with them scoring points against Oklahoma and some other games. But he's got an elite escapeability talent and running talent. And to get him in the building as your third quarterback or second quarterback on game day and have a package of plays for him, could be pretty dangerous. So I think there's a skill set that you feel like he can really develop, like Jalen has that athleticism and speed.

Let's get him into building. Let's try to develop his footwork and his passing attack. Let's get, you know, some of these other guys that are very competitive, very smart, love the game, and get them in the building and see how they go. Some guys will perform well, some won't, but those are just a few guys that I kind of like. If the only tape Jalen Milrow had was that first half against Georgia, he'd be the number one overall pick. Right. Because he looked, I mean, he looked better than Caleb Williams.

I mean, that half, that's as good as it gets. And then you'd watch that bowl game, I remember watching against Michigan, it was like, geez, what's going on here? But you're right. But you're right. It was weird season, but his highs were pretty high. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you're going to take a chance of the guy, let's take a chance of the guy this runs a 4-2-940.

Let's get up in our building as opposed to, you know, an average arm strength guy that's a tough guy. It's just whatever you guys want to do as a staff. And if you can put together a package of a plays and really make Jaylon Milro the type of guy that can really help your team in a certain situations or whatever, then you've got to take a chance. I mean, that touchdown pass also they threw last year in the Iron Bowl to keep the season alive. was rolling to his left across his body. He's incredible. Yeah, he's sick. Yeah, so he does things like that. Well, you know he's got it in him.

So, you know, I think coming out, people like to compare him to Lamarro with his athletic. Lamarro's a much better pastor coming out, but you never know. You have this guy a couple years in his system and worked with a quarterback coach, and I don't know if he'll never be an elite pastor, that's for sure, but he might be effective enough

to really put a lot of pressure on defenses with his athletic. Because this guy is elite when he has a ball in his hands now. I mean, maybe he's a thing. damn slot receiver or third down back or something like that, you know, just to get the ball in his hands. And he's electrifying. Okay, a couple quick NFL quarterback questions for you. Today was reported, which I think was the right move by Brock, showed up.

Obviously, the contract issue. He's a polarizing player. I feel like when I close my eyes and think the Grudens, I feel like you guys would like Brock Purdy. He's your type guy from an intangible standpoint and from a playing standpoint. Plus, it feels like everyone just naturally. talk shit about them and the natural reaction from you guys would be to push back. What are your thoughts on just obviously the contract, which how much these quarterbacks are

getting paid is fit with Kyle and just ultimately what you would do if you were in the 49ers when it came to Brock Purdy and your future a quarterback? Brock's interesting, man. I'm telling you what, Brock Purdy gives guys like Kyle McCord and Quinn Ewers and all these guys. I mean, these guys are like, Brock Purdy can do it. I can do it. My career is just as good as Brock.

Iowa State, right? But he's gone out and done it at a very high level. He's been in situations that have been pressure-packed and performed pretty well. Obviously, when guys got hurt around him last year, their team didn't play quite as well. He needs good players around him, like all quarterbacks do. I think that I'd be a little reluctant to say, okay, I don't know if I want to pay him that much money because then you're going to lose guys like Debo-Sam. You're going to lose, you know, Greenlaw.

to lose Hufanga, you're going to lose Ward at the corner. I don't know if your team is good enough not to have those guys for him to be successful or not, but I love what he's done. I love his accuracy. He's got a great feel for the game. I understand Kyle's offense very, very well. Some people say it's because of Kyle's offense why Brock Perry is good. Maybe it's because the players around him, that's why Brock Perry is very good. Maybe Brock Perry is just pretty damn good. Give him some credit. So I think there's a fine line between how you have to evaluate Brock Purdy. But if I'm the 49ers and John Lynch, I got to pay him because if I don't pay them, then what? Am I going to go out and trade for Kirk Cousins, which I could see happening because I know

Kyle loves Kirk or go in the draft, bare-ass naked, try to find another one as good as Brock has performed, but I think they've got to pay Brock. Let's end on one of your former assistant coaches has a pretty difficult situation going on just because he drafted a quarterback high last year. He had the Sam Darnold explosion. Sam's now in Seattle. the visual of JJ in the, I think it was the Lions game. He looked like he weighed 100.

I'd die for that weight. He's like 170 pounds. He's skinny. You know, now it's like their roster on paper. I think most people would agree top three, four, five roster in the NFL. But the quarterback situation, they thought about Aaron Rogers. As of right now, they haven't signed him. Can you bank?

I mean, they're coming off, what, a 14, 15 win season? People are going to be picking them to, compete right there with the Eagles if they get good quarterback play, a guy that's not only never played an NFL regular season game, really when you look at how he played in college, they didn't ask, he played a little Jimmy Garoppolo, Kyle Shanahan style, right? We're going to run the ball, we're going to play defense. And Kevin likes to pass the ball from what I see, you know, watching his team's play.

And obviously, they're equipped to do that. Seems a little risky, you know. And I'm pro J.J. McCarthy, but given the expectation, it's much easier as a rookie quarterback when the expectations, are high, or excuse me, low, than to take over a team like the Vikings where if you win anything less than like 11, 12 games, they're going to be all over your ass. So good luck to your guy, because this is a difficult spot. They're very good. You know, I was looking at their team for draft needs. I'm like, well, they don't need a safety. They don't need a really corner. They don't

need any defensive line. They don't need offensive line. They don't need any running backs. They don't need receivers. They don't need a tight end. They're pretty damn good. You're right. And this is a risk. I mean, this is Kevin O'Connell rolling the dice, man, with everything on the line with J.J. McCarthy. And I thought they might sign Aaron Rogers for a year. And, you know, if JJ proves to be 100%, which I'm sure he is right now, and Aaron has to sit on the bench, that's fine. Otherwise, he can learn a year, get another redshirt year for him and let Aaron Rogers play. But obviously, they feel very strongly about them. You know, I'm with you as far as the Michigan tape's concern. He didn't do a whole lot. You know,

there's play action, flat routes, little high cross every now and then, quick out. also it wasn't, he wasn't asked to do a whole lot. And he's going to be asked to do a lot more. And I know he had a good preseason game. He had some good throws in his preseason game that he played before he got hurt. But I don't know what to make of it, man. This is, you know, Kevin knows these guys. He's got a good pulse of what this guy can do,

his competitive spirit, how he handles the offense, his understanding of the game. So he feels very confident. This is a bold, bold move by Kevin, and hopefully it works out. But I'm sure eventually they'll get some kind of backup quarterback with some experience. somebody like an Andy Dalton type guy for Bryce Young, you know what I think they'll be looking for that. Assuming the money's right, would you feel comfortable with just the way the Aaron Roger's situation with the Jets and the personality and, you know, the interviews with Pat? He becomes a story in itself bringing him into a situation where you have this young quarterback. Not that Aaron wouldn't get along with them, but it's just, it's a lot going on, which it does feel like why they were just a little hesitant just with the kind of the show that comes.

comes along with Aaron? I think the other issue is he tapped to actually learn a new offense. You know, they brought over Nathaniel Hackett with him to the jets that keep the offense the same for him. So he's never had to really learn new terminology. Not that he couldn't learn it, but it is different. And to be a 40-year-old quarterback, you kind of want to have things your way as a play, calling plays in the huddle.

And that Kevin would not change what he's been doing because he's been pretty successful as well. So that's the other issue. And I'm not saying Aaron Rogers is the right guy. It might be another veteran type guy that will come free eventually, maybe James Winston if they draft a quarterback somebody like that, but I don't know. But yeah, I think, you know, all eyes will be on JJ, and I think JJ's ready for the opportunity, but how he performs, we'll see.

He's got a good offensive line and good back and hell of a receiving court. What's your go-to game at the club? You guys go a little Nassau, you guys go banker, you guys go Dots. I mean, what's... You know, I have lots of different groups that I play with. Sometimes we just play stable for teams. Sometimes we play Nassau, two-down autos. double the back, you know, things like that.

Sometimes we play the dots for you, the trash, all that crap, you know. Yeah. Greenies, Sandy's all that stuff. How about a big fan? I like straight up. I like masks all the best. It's just, you know, you get down, you get pressed. I love press, I love the P word.

Yeah, you like when you're back skins. I like your brother's mindset of, you know, 90s par. So if you shoot 85, you had a hell of a day out there on the golf course. Yeah, that's like, you used to keep scored by fives. If I was one under fives, that means I shot a, uh, 89. right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, Jay, I appreciate it. I have a good day on the golf course and let's enjoy the draft.

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