The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Raiders GM, John Spytek joins the pod
Episode Date: June 7, 2025John is joined by John Spytek, the GM of the Las Vegas Raiders. The guys talk about what it was like getting his first job in the NFL, the moment that he knew he could be a GM in the NFL, what the fir...st few months as a GM have been like, his first NFL draft as a GM, and having a relationship with Tom Brady. All that and more! Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow - for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Let's dive into the interview. Okay, very excited to have a man who's lived a pretty crazy
life so far. He was named in late January, the general manager of Deraitas. John Spitech,
how are you doing, man? I'm doing great, John. Thanks for having me on the pot today.
You know what's crazy? I was looking, I mean, I knew your bio. I guess sometimes I forget that
you were Denver with Elway and Manning, but we could have a pretty crazy, I mean, you're not very old,
so you still got a lot of football left, but your football life, you get hired by Andy Reed,
as the Eagles were just humming in the mid-2000s.
Then you work for John Elway and Peyton Manning's the quarterback.
Then you're part of the crew that lands Tom Brady,
and then you work hand-in-hand with game planning with them.
And now you work with Pete Carroll.
I mean, we could do an NFL Films football life on you.
Yeah, you can pinch me a little bit with that stuff.
I actually didn't even, in my head,
I hadn't even added Pete Carroll to that docket yet since we're getting started here.
But I, you know, I'm just so fortunate to have been around the people that I've been around
and to get my NFL start with Andy Reid and when the Eagles were really humming back then
and see really what a successful organization looks like and how it's run day to day and Andy's consistency
and, you know, how stoic he was on a day-day basis.
And then I think about that staff that I was with there too with Howie Roseman and Tom Heckert
and Jason Light and Ryan Briggson and Matt Russell and, you know, Anthony Patches, who's in Vegas with us now.
I mean, we had a hitters club back then in Philly kind of everywhere he looked.
And so just super grateful for the people that I've been around, I feel beyond fortunate.
Same thing with the coaching staff, right?
Wasn't John Harbaugh there, Shaw McDermott?
I mean, the coaching, Jim Johnson.
Yeah, Jim Johnson Spags, David Cully, Doug Peterson.
I think there's like seven guys that were on the, Pat Schumer,
seven guys in that staff that went out to become NFL head coaches.
I think four or five GMs from that staff.
You know, you played at Michigan, so it's not like you weren't used to big-time football,
but when you get hired as the lowest guy in the totem pole with the Eagles,
I mean, I've been there.
I was pretty intimidated.
Like it was pretty overwhelming at first.
I mean, the pace in which everything went,
you just didn't want to like get fired on a daily basis.
Do you remember that experience when you get the job?
Obviously, there's not much money coming along with it,
not that you even care when you're young.
But, you know, that experience a long time ago now,
but obviously kind of builds the foundation of where you're at.
it was actually a pay increase for me when I took that job making $17,000 a year in Philadelphia
because I had just come from the Lions where I made $250 a week in the 2004 season.
But, yeah, I mean, I was a small town Wisconsin kid.
I went to Michigan.
You know, I went to the Lions for a year.
The next thing you know, I can remember John thinking back to like, they offered me the job
but you should be here in two days.
And I got to pack up a U-Haul trailer.
I got to find an apartment.
And, I mean, you know.
It's hard to find an apartment back in 2005.
I was on Craigslist trying to sort it all out and moved to Philadelphia,
the city of Brotherly Love and trying to sort that out in my head.
And at a time when the Internet wasn't really as helpful as it is now.
But to your point, I didn't care.
I didn't care what the money was.
I didn't care how I was going to get there.
I was just going to get there.
I mean, they were coming off of having just gone to that Super Bowl.
I mean, what an opportunity.
And, you know, I just showed up with a positive mindset.
You know, give me every job you can possibly think of because that's what my job was in Detroit.
and now it was just more specific to the scouting department
and away we went and I just
I mean I was like a pinch yourself moment
standing there next to Andy Reed and Donovan Nab and Terrell Owens
and all those guys
Was there a time? I mean I'm sure you talk about this a lot with players
Like the power of confidence and knowing you belong
You know coming even if you played in the SEC or the Big Ten
To go to the NFL's it's a big jump
You know as a young scout
Was there a time when you're like
Maybe not I'm going to be a GM one day
but I'm pretty good at this.
Like I'm going to make a career because at first you're just kind of swim and keep your head above water.
And then once you kind of get your feet wet, you start doing the job.
Do you remember a moment, maybe a draft room, maybe a situation going into a school where you're like, okay, I think I can handle this?
I do.
It's a little more unique than maybe a certain player.
But I don't know how well you knew Tom Hacker when he was with us.
But Tom was, you know, he was a man.
He was not the most social person I ever met in the world.
He was an awesome person.
I mean, I owe so much to him.
But he didn't really ever talk to me.
And my office was kind of like my desk was kind of right outside his office.
And he would walk by and go, hey, and then just keep going.
And I'd go home every night.
My then-girlfriend now, wife, Kristen, was with me.
And she was, you know, every week, how to go?
Is Tom talked to you?
I'm like, no, he hadn't said anything to me yet.
And other than hello.
And about, I don't know, if I'd be like seven or eight months into the job,
he kind of walked by.
And I was watching somebody and said, who are you watching?
and, you know, I kind of told him, and he goes, what do you think?
And I told him, and I went home that night, and I told my wife, like,
the GM just asked me what I thought about a player.
I can't remember who the player was.
It doesn't matter.
And that was probably the first time where I thought, like, he cares now what I think about a player.
He's interested enough to stop, as busy as he is, and ask what I think.
And then, you know, Jason Light was there at the same time, too.
And about the same time, I started going in his office and peppered him with questions and, you know,
asking him, what do you look for in safeties and receivers and tight-end?
and, you know, what are the most important traits?
And about the same time he started to kind of volleyed back to me, like, what are you looking for?
Who do you like?
And what are the traits you think are matter?
And to me, like, that's where I kind of felt like about six, seven months into the job with the Eagles.
I was maybe kind of taken off.
You know, I've heard John McVeigh talk about this.
I think I saw Mike McDaniel talk about this, too.
Like when they first became a head coach, they weren't always cognizant about how the way they carried themselves
or, like, their body language, like, affected everyone else.
because when you're an assistant coach, you're just kind of head down, worried about yourself.
And I think it's probably fair to say, you know, you're a director of personnel or college scouting director.
You're just so focused on the board or the free agency board.
But when you're the GM, like you just said, everyone's thinking like, oh, the GM didn't talk to me.
Oh, he looked at me weird.
Oh, he's really pissed off.
I know you haven't been in the seat for that long.
But, you know, you're pretty, you've been around the block a few times around a lot of people.
Is that something you think about, like when you walk in the building that everyone now is kind of looking
that you and Pete, it's not just, you know, you're just one of the guys that's looking at the
others?
That's a great question.
I don't necessarily think of it in that mindset, but I do know and I'm acutely aware of my
job is no longer just to kind of watch tape and stack draft boards and, you know, bring in
workout guys and think about short lists and all that stuff.
I mean, that's, that's all a massive part of it.
But, you know, as Pete and I try to get this thing going in the direction that it needs to go
and the Raiders fans deserve, I'm acutely aware.
of that. You know, I've got a lot of people now that report to me on a day-to-day basis that I didn't
have in the past. And I had a great mentor with Jason. I watched him kind of work that building and
walk through and spend time with everybody from the training room to the equipment room to the
outside of the facilities guys, the groundskeepers. And that's that's the job that they hired me
to do here. And to me, I've got to be intentional about that every day because we were talking,
you know, before we signed up, this building is a beautiful building, and it's a massive building.
so it requires a little bit of extra.
And to me also, like, it was a really important for me to get a great team around me here
so I can know that everything's being taken care of in the personnel department with
Brian Stark and Brandon Hunt and Anthony Patch and Mark Thuse came over from the Broncos too.
So, yeah, I mean, that's the job here.
I'm in charge of a lot of different things.
And the human interaction and the communication that's necessary to make those things really go is wildly important.
I couldn't find the exact number of Chad GPT wasn't.
dialed in, but you had to interview a bunch of times before this year four different GM spots,
correct?
A handful.
Yeah, three, four, yeah.
Do you think, you know, your experience so far is different than you expected?
You know, being a GM so far, I know the season hasn't even started held training camp
still a couple months away, but what's it been like so far actually sitting in that seat than
just being like, John Spitech is going to be a future GM?
Well, now you're just John Spitech, the Raiders GM.
I haven't really been caught off guard by too many things.
I mean, I would stop short of saying it's what I expected.
But again, like I, with my experience with nine years with Jason and sitting, you know, right next to him and watching him work.
And that's always kind of been, John, a strength of mine, I think.
And I've been intentional about observing and, you know, taking notes and, you know, mental or actual physical notes about, hey, this is what Jason's got to do on a day, day basis.
This is what Tom Hecker had to do.
How would I handle that?
So I've, I spent a lot of time over the past decade, really, once I got that job with the Browns in 2010, thinking about all these different things.
And so I don't, I don't necessarily think a lot of things catch me off guard, but there are things that happen on a day, day basis that you really can't predict.
And am I prepared for all of them to an extent, but I'm also kind of prepared to be unprepared, if that makes sense, and problem solve and work with people around here and communicate so we can make all the important decisions for the rest.
You know, a lot of times when younger guys get either their first head coaching job or the first GM job, maybe they're with another guy who's inexperienced.
I mean, you get, I was thinking about this.
I mean, I would say over the last definitely of the Internet age, he's got to be one of the more important football figures in Pete Carroll.
It's got to be a pretty unique landing spot for you to come in with a guy who basically ran an NFL program in college and then obviously what he did in Seattle.
So for 25 years, he's kind of been kicking ass and taking names.
Pretty cool to be in your shoes and get to work on a daily basis for a guy with decades of knowledge at the highest level and winning.
Yeah, to the theme that we talked about, to start super fortunate, the timing of it, you know, with how it all worked out with coach.
And, you know, from the first time we talked, I think we share, we have a pretty common vision and share a belief in what's important in players and programs.
I admired his work from afar for many, many years.
I was on the receiving end of quite an ass kicking in the Super Bowl 48 in New York when his team, I think it was 43 to 8.
They beat our Broncos.
And, you know, there's a confidence in a, what's the right word, just a security in knowing that, like, he's got that all stuff handled down there.
You know, he's got a vision.
He's, there's not many things that are going to surprise him at all.
He's seen a lot of it.
And he's a great resource for me from that standpoint, too, from day to day working with the team, roster building.
You know, this guy's really ascending, even though people might not see it yet.
This guy really maybe doesn't fit in.
You know, the draft process was an awesome experience with him and the coaching staff.
And, you know, I just, I'm grateful to lean on his wisdom and his experiences and that also we share a common belief.
And it's just, there's a lot of synergy between us.
I mean, on the outside, obviously his energy, the ability to choose.
gum at just a rapid speed, the shoes, but is there something that you've learned about
him in your time with them that you didn't know that's been impressive?
I just think how authentic it is.
You know, it's to a core, to his core who he is.
And, you know, all those nuances of the gum chewing.
I mean, there's bubble, I think it's bubble, bubble yum.
It's everywhere in the building.
I mean, you can't walk 10 steps and not be like, well, I'll pop some more gum.
And I haven't had this much bubble yum since I was like 10 years old.
back in Fiawaukee, Wisconsin.
But he is who he is, and it, you know,
the energy, it doesn't wane.
It's, it's, it's, there's a, there's a longevity to it that I think the guys
really respect and it resonates with them.
And that's, if you look back to those Seattle teams, I mean, the energy, the Legion
of Boom, you know, the way that they competed and hustled like that, that stuff is real.
And he preaches it every day, but he lives it every day.
And so I think it really empowers our players and impresses our players to, to live that
life too. Do you think it helps that you got like when you went to Tampa with Jason and build that
thing to where it is now just kind of rolling and making the playoffs every year? And obviously Pete
who took over SC that was not the SC that when he left and definitely Seattle, I think,
didn't he like lead the league in transactions his first year, like 700 or something?
Oh yeah, I don't know it was 700, John, but he talks about a lot. Yeah, it was legitimately like
150 or, I mean, it was crazy. Yeah. That makes this experience.
Like you both can lean back on, you know, this is what we did, this is what we did, especially Pete.
Like he's been doing it since the 90s of personnel transactions like with the 49ers making this transition, which is, let's face it, a little daunting, not only given your division, but where the Raiders have been, you know, over the course of recent history.
Yeah, I think there's a confidence in, at least in my journey, too, you know, I mean, we, I've been a part of a lot of great teams, you know.
I went to Cleveland.
I thought we did a lot of good things in Cleveland for three years.
We drafted some really good players, but we didn't win.
And that's the most important thing.
You know, when I got to Tampa, we struggled for two or three years there to really kind of build that thing.
And then we kind of found our way through it.
We had a lot of critical self-aware, critical discussions.
And you could almost go back to almost like a day or a month in Tampa and know, like, this is when we started to get it right.
And this is where it led us.
And it ended up with Tom Brady coming and winning a Super Bowl right.
after that. And, you know, so there's a confidence. Like, you know, it's always a little bit different.
Every organization has its own energy and history. And so we've got to take that all into account, too.
But with watching what Pete did, basically everywhere he's been and build it up and what we were
able to accomplish in Tampa and then using my past experiences too. I mean, I think we know what
we need to do, but now the execution of it is the most important part.
Obviously, the number changes during the season because you have injuries. But didn't you guys
have like 44 or 45 guys that were on your 53 last year that were drafted by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
So it was basically like 95% or something.
Yeah, the stat I believe is at the, you know, the opening day roster of the first initial 53,
44 of those guys were either drafted or signed as undrafted three agents by us.
And I think all the all but two starters, which were Baker, Mayfield, and Ben Bredesen.
How did you guys do that?
We had a great scouting staff.
and we had a great GM, and we really knew what we were looking for.
Like, you know, when we critically evaluated ourselves in about 2017 and Tampa and said,
where have we messed up, where have we gotten it right?
Okay, well, let's stop doing the things that don't work,
and let's do a lot more of the things that work.
And we started kind of right there in 2017-18, those drafts were huge for us,
especially 18.
And you go into that Super Bowl roster.
I mean, a lot of those guys were, seven or eight of those prominent players were on rookie contracts.
And we just kind of stuck with that process of draft, quality people that play great football,
and then re-sign as many of those guys as you can.
And the reality is, if you do that really well, you're going to lose some guys.
We lost Jordan Whitehead.
We lost Alex Kappa.
We lost some guys.
But we're able to keep so many of those guys and pay them big contracts because, you know, we knew exactly what they were to their core.
We weren't scared to give Tristan Worf's that deal or Antoine Winfield that deal because we knew how good people they were.
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One thing I think I saw you might have meant the Combine.
You were with Florio, and you talked about how Jason,
who's obviously really, really good with offensive linemen,
was back to like the Logan Mankin study in the mid-2000s.
My cousin was actually on the team at Fresno State with him.
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Logan Mankins is like the Jonathan Ogden of Fresno.
state. But he was a left tackle in college, and most people didn't think he was going to play
tackle in the pros. But he became a pro ball, all pro level guy. And you guys were unafraid to go
to smaller schools and take their left tackle and move them to any position, because that's just
where the best player, it's like shortstop in Little League. It's that, you know, because I would say
that the Eagles now, their blueprint is just like, bam to Georgia, don't even mess around, that there
are multiple ways to skin a cat when it comes to scouting. It's not just you have to go to Ohio
Bama in Georgia, even though you can't really go wrong, constantly doing that.
I mean, hell, you just drafted a guy six overall from a, quote-unquote, smaller school.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was something that works for us.
Like you said, there's a lot of different ways to do it.
You know, when we looked at that, Jason actually started that before I got there with Allie Marpet.
And that was the 2005, probably 15 draft, right?
Yeah.
And, you know, that worked.
And then we signed Ryan Jensen.
And it's just, you kind of have this feel like, hey, it's not, like to your point with Logan Mankins, he's not a left tackle.
or a right tackle body in the NFL, but he's the best player on his own line and whatever school
he's at. He plays the most stressful position on the old line, left tackle. And there's a lot of
great qualities to those guys that, you know, just because physically they don't line up or,
you know, get out of the bus, off the bus looking like you want your left tackle to look,
doesn't mean they're not great players. And so, you know, the Ryan Jensen's, the Cody box,
the Alex Kappa's of the world, Graham Barton from Duke, you know, into center last year.
I mean, it's just something that really worked for us.
And they're guys that are wired the right way.
They're competitive as hell, smart as hell.
And, you know, listen, we'd all love to draft the best offense alignment that Georgia and Alabama have every year.
But the reality is you're not going to be able to do that.
So how can you problem solve and line up a bunch of guys that go out there?
And as a group probably make up outside of the quarterback, one of the most, if not the most important position group in our game.
Okay, let's talk about the 25 draft.
Before we get into individual players, your first draft is a general.
G.M harder or easier than you thought?
I didn't have much to compare it to. It was, it was hard.
You know, it was, you know, it was drinking from a fire hose.
I mean, there's a gift that I kept sending people. How's it going?
It's Peter Griffin with a fire hose up to his face and the sun turns it on and it's,
when the water stops, it's just a skull and a bunch of blood dripping down his neck.
But, you know, it was awesome. I mean, I loved it. I loved the collaboration with Pete and the coaching staff.
Brandon Yergan here did a great job. Our college scouts kind of dope.
head first into what I was asking
to do and
you know I feel good I feel good about what we were
able to accomplish in a short period of time which I
think at least for me and I know
for our organization brings us confidence
that as we as we work together
here with onboarding Brian Stark and Patch
and Brandon Hutton all these guys from really winning
organizations we can do
we can do really great things here because
to me and I've said it many
times the draft if you can
win at the draft if you can do
better than your you know the other
teams of the draft. That's how you build a great team and then sustain it. Well, I mean,
one advantage you have getting this job is because of the Raiders record last year, you're drafting
high in this draft and the other three teams in your division are drafting later. So, I mean,
who knows how it's going to play out the next couple of years? But right now for this upcoming
season, the next couple years, you have access to just players that they don't. Did you feel
like tangible pressure just based on the division alone and just know the daunting task that is
head.
Well, first of all, I hope this is the last time we pick in front of those guys.
You know, I don't want to pick up here anymore.
But if given the opportunity to pick in the top 10, we've got to be, we've got to find an elite
player and we've got to find an elite person.
And I think that that kind of goes with any round, but, you know, there's a heightened
energy to it when it's when it's in the top 10.
I mean, in my opinion, you better be greedy about the kind of player.
looking at and greedy about the kind of competitor and person and, you know, passionate football
player that you're looking for. And so we found that in Ashton, in our opinion, you know,
some people maybe don't value the running back to a certain degree. I don't know. I didn't,
I've already alluded to. I went to Michigan. We value the hell out of those guys. And he's,
more importantly to me, he's a great kid. You know, he was revered in that Boise State program
because he treated people the right way and was a great running back. And he's been every bit of
that since he's shown up here too. Would you,
When you talk to people around, you know, our building right now, the first thing they talk about with Ashton isn't how fast he is or the fact that, you know, you can't get him on, you know, he never falls over.
It's that man, is he humble and he's a great worker and treats his teammates the right way.
You know, full disclosure, I was one of those people that just when you look at the draft historically, right, you know, taking a guy in a deep running back class.
And listen, I'm a whack Mountain West guy.
I revere Boise State, and his story speaks for itself.
I mean, he turned down, who knows how much money to stay at Boise State, the character,
you watch him on TV, it was like a video game.
But, I mean, I'm sure you guys had the conversation about balancing, like, the running back position.
We could get a guy in different rounds.
But in this individual draft, was it just like, this guy's too good?
And clearly the quote-unquote level of competition didn't phase you.
It's just the scouting process on this player, because when,
you were in Tampa. I remember watching an Oregon game had to be like week two.
You were probably asleep because it was like 1130 at night Pacific standard time.
And he's rushing for like 700 yards. I mean, legitimately went for 200 yards against
number one team in the country. Your scouting process when you were at Tampa and how
that translated into following him and vetting him before you pulled the trigger and made him
a raider. Yeah, it's one of the things I'm looking forward to out here on the West Coast
to seeing all the games now.
waking up on Sunday morning and checking box scores and being like,
Ashden had 206 on Oregon last night.
And I was, you know, I'd been asleep for three hours.
You know, to your question, it's about team building.
And what's the right way to do it?
And we had many conversations because it was a deep running back class.
Like, what's the best order to do this in?
You know, if we take Ashton here, who do we get in the second round?
If we take this player here, then maybe we can come back in the second round,
getting running back.
And, you know, this group of players, you know, this position group, you know,
the more premier positions, edge rusher, tackle, you know, they're going to probably be gone.
Ultimately, obviously, we decided that Ashton was worth it.
And to me, it's the kind of person he is that elevated it finally.
Look, we can't turn down 28 yards short of Barry Sanders and a great humble person at six.
I mean, I'd wake up every, I'd go to bed every Sunday night, wondering what Ash and Genty did,
somewhere else in the NFL ultimately
if we didn't take them.
And there was just a lot of motivation from the way that we saw it,
the way that Pete wants to build a team,
the way that that Seattle franchise changed
when Marshawn Lynch showed up.
Now I'm not saying he's Marchion Lynch.
I don't really do comparisons,
but the idea of this kind of tone setter
in the run game and the amount of times
he's going to touch the ball really matters to our program.
When was a specific time that you felt comfortable
in the process when you were the GM
that like, okay, if he's there,
we're going to pull the trigger and take him.
Was there a moment either at his pro day
or sitting in the office with Pete a week before?
And maybe you've talked about this already,
but were you just, obviously he was growing on you
as you get to know the guy, the visits, the combine,
but just like, okay, we have no problem pulling the trigger
if he's sitting there for us at six.
Yeah, I'm a big believer in using the entire process.
So from the combine interview to the pro day,
that I went to, spoke with the head coach for quite a long time, watched Ashen move through
that building. You know, he came on his top 30 visit. He was great in the building. So it was just
kind of like checkbox, checkbox, checkbox. And we had a lot of great business with a lot of great guys.
And we had a lot of great options up there. But as we talked about it and visited with the staff
and explained the idea to ownership, it just became clear that if he was there, he was going to be
our guy. He was the right kind of person for us at this moment. And for the way that we want to build this
and, you know, he's, he's just been an achiever everywhere,
and he's a passionate football guy.
I mean, I think one of my two favorite things made me about him are the fact that he didn't
leave Boise, you know, they were the ones that gave him the offer.
He's a loyal guy.
That, to me, if you track those guys over the past couple of years that have done that,
Quinion Mitchell was another one, they're the right kind of dude.
Drake, man.
Yeah, they're the right kind of dude.
And Graham Barton was that for us.
And, you know, he could have gone to a lot of different places he told us,
and he's like, no, I'm just a dude.
Like, they're the ones who believe me.
Like to me, like, that stuff matters.
And then the idea that he, he was playing as a freshman in Naples, Italy, and just dying to play football.
So I found a place because his dad was, you know, stationed over there as part of the Navy and playing against Naples, Italy.
And then his dad, you know, finishes his military career.
And they're like, where should we go?
And they're like, let's go to Frisco, Texas for the football's great.
I want to compete against the best people in the country.
I mean, that's who the kid is to his core.
And so when it gets hard around here and hot around here,
I don't see a kid that will bat an eye.
I see a kid that'll just buckle down and play.
Four of your next five picks after Gentie were offense, two wide receivers, two offensive linemen.
Are you just purely let the board speak to me?
Was there a need on offense at the skill position with the wide receivers?
Just philosophically, is that just somewhat random?
That's just how the board fell?
Or was that an emphasis going into the draft?
We need a little more skill and definitely some guys in the trenches on offense?
Yeah, it really was how the board fell.
I've made it no secret that I love lineman, and I know Pete does too.
I mean, this game's about the trenches.
But, you know, we have a great process that I learned in Tampa and have refined and added to the way we do it here.
We stack everything from, you know, quality of player, quality of person, scout evaluation, coach evaluation, injury, character.
And as the board goes, we just pull the top name off the board.
And it turns out that it was five or six guys run offense.
Still like how we came back on day three with Taka and JJ Paggeese and guys are doing really well right now.
So just tried to pick the best player for the Raiders every opportunity that we had.
You know, speaking of alignment, when you guys got the job and you guys did that dual press conference,
I think Max was in the back.
And at the time, it was kind of being conversated about like, is he going to get traded?
Is he going to ask for a trade?
What's going to go on?
And obviously, Max Crosby is probably one of the more respected guys in the league just from a player and coaching.
executive standpoint, people just love the way he plays.
Was that just something under no circumstance?
We're just going to find a way to keep Max Crosby here,
or were there just serious conversations you had with him at first before,
about a month later, you know, giving him $100 million.
Well, he just embodied when Pete and I studied the roster,
and listen, I mean, you do what I do.
You have a lot of, you know, in Tampa, I watch the whole league.
I mean, just so much respect for Max and the way he competes
and plays the game on a day-to-day basis,
or a game-to-game basis, play-to-play basis.
I mean, there's a guy who plays 100% of the snaps at a high effort physical position.
I mean, it's really unheard of.
And it just became clear.
I visited with Max, pretty much the first week I had the job,
that this is the kind of guy that we want to build this program around.
And I mean, sure, there's plenty of people that you're a new GM,
and they want to see if they can shake your trees and see if they can steal somebody from you.
And, you know, maybe or maybe not, Jason Light tried to get him before I even got on a jet to Vegas.
How many GMs called were you just like, man,
I'm hanging up right now.
It would be several.
Yeah, as Jason was sitting in my house telling me, like,
Max for a fifth sounds great right now for everything I've done for you in my life.
And I was like, Jason, don't get me fired so I can come right back to Tampa.
I mean, at least give me a real shot here.
But he just is what we want to be.
You know, I mean, when I sat with him, he asked, like, what can I do to be better?
And I said, Max, this might be controversial, but maybe we don't play 100% of the snaps.
You know, maybe we play 95% of the snaps.
So in the biggest moments, you're fresh.
And he was like, oh, kills me to come off the field.
Like, that's what we want.
When we traded for JPP in Tampa, he was a guy that he'd fight you to come off if you try to take him off the field.
And when you're trying to flip cultures like this, we need more guys like that.
We need guys that are like, you got to kill me not to be out there.
I got to be really hurt not to be out there.
Otherwise, I don't care.
I'm going to give it my best every play.
And, you know, I just didn't think Pete didn't think really nobody thought that the Raiders are a better team.
we move on from Max Crosby.
And so we felt like giving him his new deal that was earned and something that we were
motivated to do.
Speaking of a guy that doesn't like coming off the field, Tom Brady was a guy you guys
signed in Tampa.
I think Operation Shulis Joe is what you called that thing.
There was just Dan Pompeii does, when he does an article, he did one about the D.C.
Spagnola in Kansas City and one on you and Tom's relationship, both of them, two of the
better things I've read in the last probably year.
You know, there's that famous clip on NFL films where Brady sitting in Belichick's
office and it came out like he basically went in there on a Monday or Tuesday every year of
his career, every week leading in and you became Belichick essentially, correct?
I wouldn't say that.
No, no, no, I'm just saying you played that role of going over the opponent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Can you tell me about the nerves of that first week one, 2020?
meeting of presenting it was it Tuesday afternoon when you and Tom would meet or was it
Monday or I guess it might change yeah it was Tuesday or Monday depending on you know the kind
of the schedule for that week and the cadence for that week and yeah Jason came in
said you know they used to do that and I had seen all the and I had consumed all those things
that came out and to do your job post Super Bowl so I was aware of that this could be a
possibility I don't think really anything prepares you for it when I mean everyone
says we were teammates in Michigan yeah we were teammates I mean we had
really spoken in 20 whatever years it was up to that point so it wasn't like this was my friend
walking in the building and we're just going to shoot the anyway so he was like you got to do this and
you know it's going to be good and here's kind of the format that they use the new england and you know
you can put your spin out and however you want and so i had rob mccartney the new assistant gm there
joined me because rob's a wealth of knowledge and excellent in his job and thought like
we know probably better to have two people here for for tom than just one and i just remember thinking like
you know, he's like, all right, babe, he always called me, babe, one o'clock.
I'll be up there in the draft room.
And he walked.
And I remember thinking to myself, like, all right, just let it rip.
And we talked about Marchand Latimore and DiMario Davis and Janoris Jenkins and, you know,
all the Marcus Williams and all the great players that the Saints had, because we played week one.
And he walked out, and I was like, well, we'll see if he comes back.
And he came back the next week.
And so even though we didn't win and he threw two.
picks and um but you know either there was it was it was such a fun conversation because his
roll of decks of players is great you know when you when you tell tom like hey this is a great
corner he goes well is he'll reall revis well no this is a great safety was this ed reader troy
paulamalu no but he's good you know you know and so we always had a fun back and forth with
that was there a moment like the hecker moment during that first season where you're like okay
we're on the same page here he respects me i feel good i'm not maybe quote unquote
nervous going in or every week you felt like the, I mean, because by then, I mean, he's
freaking Tom Brady, right?
Yeah.
So was there ever a moment or were you just, were you always kind of just pretty on edge
going into that meeting because of the just intensity of the guy?
Or was he more chill in that environment?
I wouldn't not call him chill in that environment.
I would, you know, we had, we had great football conversations, but always passionate, always
direct.
You know, there's always, it was almost like going to a game.
There was always butterflies.
because of, you know, the gravity of it.
I mean, it became less about talking to, you know, this, this, you know, quarterback.
It became more about, like, how can I help the Bucks be their best every Sunday?
And if I can give Tom the information that he needs in a manner of which he can process it,
compartmentalize and that use it as necessary, that that was the most important thing to rob and myself.
And it kind of came about learning the way that he's,
liked things, the order in which he liked it, how to describe the player to him so he could use it.
You know, and there was a couple times throughout that year that we attacked a certain player
that we told him to attack that works.
And, you know, he never said anything.
I didn't know that that was the reason that our meeting was the reason that he did it or they did it,
but I didn't know that it wasn't.
And one of the most poignant, John one of those poignant moments of my career was standing
on the sidelines in.
in Washington and in Andover before we were about to kick off against the football team at the time.
And he was reading something on the bench.
So we got the ball first.
He was reading something on the bench.
And then he put his helmet out, threw it down, put his helmet on and walked on the field.
And he was reading the write-up that we had printed for him.
And that to me was like, wow.
Like the last thing he did before he walked on the field to start our playoff run was read the, read the, read the,
read the little write-ups we did in all the Washington D.Bs. And that to me was a pretty
surreal experience. I mean, who would have thought? I mean, did you realize at the time like
four or five years later, I don't know, colleague, your boss, how you want to consider him,
but like you, your friend, you know, the relationship that you guys have developed. Because like
you said, you were at Michigan with him, but it wasn't. You were a walk on. You were young. He was old.
I wasn't a walk on. Hold on. Hold on. I was a walk on. Okay. Scali. Scali, Scali.
scholarship. I didn't have a decorated career, but I did. I was a good enough high school player to get a scholarship.
It does say undrafted on your wiki page. Did you get an invite to a camp? I went to grad school. I went to got my master's degree in sports management because I'm a smart Michigan dude.
So I guess in 2025, how would you describe your relationship with Tom?
Yeah, I mean, it's probably all those things that you said.
You know, I mean, at the end of the day, like, I'm not in this job because I'm his friend
or we had a, you know, a good time and won a Super Bowl together necessarily in Tampa.
I feel like he gave me an opportunity to come interview for your job because he thought that, you know,
I could help him and coach build something that our fan base deserves and that this organization deserves,
which is a winner that I had, you know, done it at the highest levels that we had sustained success in Tampa,
which is what we're looking to do. And ultimately, like, we've got a job to do here.
And that's the most important thing that matters. I mean, this is a results driven business.
There's nobody great. There's no greater winner in our game than Tom Brady. And that's what he expects every day.
And that's why I'm here. And that's why I'm here. And that's why everybody that we've brought in since we've gotten the job is here because we've got to win football games.
And we've got to do it soon.
Do you feel pressure on that, you know, just winning?
Maybe.
I don't really look at it like that.
I feel like I got a job to do.
And, you know, maybe it's easy for me to say that right now
because we're not about to kick off against the Patriots.
But, I mean, I'm sure there's a pressure with it,
but I feel prepared.
I feel confident.
I feel excited for the challenge that lays out in front of us.
And it's, coach and I have got a plan.
We're going to execute it, and we're going to let it rip.
And, you know, our expectation is that we see results this year.
We see progress this year.
And we build this franchise and do the winner that we all just, that everybody deserves and that we keep it there.
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Okay, I got a couple more quarterback questions because I know you got actual work to do today.
I know you run a football team in the NFL.
But you were just with Baker Mayfield the last couple years.
And I thought last year, I don't know if he's lost some weight.
Obviously, he's had a baby, his maturation.
He's become one of the better players in the league.
I thought he was awesome.
But, I mean, two years ago when you signed him, at least from the outside, there was a quarterback competition with Kyle Trask.
So what did you see from that guy that you signed?
for I think $4 million to compete for a job to what by the end of last year everyone considers
them, I don't know, a top 6, 7, 8 quarterback in the NFL and clearly like the heartbeat of your team.
Yeah, it was a competition in 2023, and it was a close competition.
And I think the thing that I respect most about Baker is he didn't come in with any kind of attitude
other than I'm here to compete, I'm here to give you guys my best, and I'm going to let it rip.
And him and Kyle went back and forth for a while and then really Baker found his rhythm kind of half through the camp and just let it rip.
And, you know, I've got the most respect for Baker because he's survived a bunch of different adversity in his life.
And I think each time he's grown from it, you know, there's a self, there's a self awareness to him that I think is probably underappreciated.
And he is all those things that you want as a quarterback.
He can throw it.
He's accurate.
He's really tough.
if he's a little dinged up and he's going to miss a practice or sit out of a practice you can walk by and give him a little bit of grief and he kind of bows up on you and says i'm going to go out there and watch this and the trainer's going like why did you do that for don't he needs to he needs to rest a little bit um and i you know i just his maturity i think stood out you know he had his he had his baby um he's they're making tampa their home and i just i got so much respect for him the way he handled himself from the moment he walked in to the to the to the door
doors at one buck has been exemplary. And the guys, the guys up front, the guys in the team,
they love him for that. And he's authentically who he is and he's a great dude.
It feels like when Dorsey drafted him number one, a lot of it was like the moxie and the
intangible stuff, which feels like it really came out for you guys the last couple of years,
like that that version of that player that we saw at Oklahoma. Yeah. Yeah, they just, you know,
really from the start with Jason and Todd, they just told him, just be yourself. You know,
like you're a good football player. I mean, empower them, empowered him to be himself.
to let it rip and just he's got a lot of really good players around there he's got a great
old line he's got a hall of fame first ballot hall of fame receiver he's got one of the other
great receivers in buccaneers history with chris and you know just just be yourself and
do your job and it'll work out and he has and the results speak for themselves the last two years
the trade for gino was that something that early on you know there was rumblings out there
that he could be available obviously pete's history with john schneider and
and the player specifically, probably not your normal trade,
given that he had just coached the guy,
make it a little bit easier to pull the trigger with, you know,
I mean, you're giving up draft capital,
taking over a job that you need players,
just kind of how did that materialize?
And so far through a couple months of being around and what your experience around,
Gino Smith, who clearly a lot like Baker just feels like an easy guy to root for.
Yeah.
Well, I think from the opening press conference, if I remember correctly,
it seems like two years ago.
But I think Pete and I talked about, you know,
we'll look everywhere for a quarterback.
And, you know, that wasn't just, you know, coach speak or GM speak.
We were serious about it.
So we explored every avenue.
We called teams just to see, you know, I'd be embarrassed to tell you some of the players we probably asked, called and asked to trade for.
But you just never know.
Andy said no one, Mahomes?
We didn't go that far, you know.
But with Gino in particular, Pete has a history with him.
And he's played his best football for Pete.
And he played well last year, too.
And so when you have, I mean, it was a third round pick, but that's not a nothing pick.
I mean, those are valuable picks in a GM's mind and a scouting staff's mind.
And then to give him the contract, we had to give them, too.
I mean, we had to look behind the curtain, essentially, with Pete to feel really, really confident about it.
And, you know, to talk to everybody in the building like, hey, this is the right, this is the right move for the Raiders at this time.
And he's been, he's been everything that we wanted to be so far.
He's been here for every off-season workout that we've had.
He's the leader we want.
He's always been an extremely gifted thrower.
You see that every day in camp.
And, you know, it's a work in progress with Chip and the new offense
and learning the new players and the new system and having these rookies.
We've got a lot of rookies that are in with snaps with Gina right now,
but he's been awesome so far.
And I'm excited to see him bring this offense to life here coming up in September.
Is there an attribute with that position?
that doesn't get talked about, that you guys talk about internally with coaches,
scouting staff, that when you listen to podcasts or television shows that you never hear
discuss that you're like, guys, there's an element.
I mean, you've been around Peyton, Tom, you know, Donovan McNabb,
a lot of high-level players in your life.
I don't know if that's a tangible attribute or something intangible that just you're like,
you guys are missing the boat on this one.
This is the defining characteristic or one of them that helps lead to success.
Um, I guess I would say, you know, to that question, I'd say work ethic. You know, like, Peyton, I've never seen anybody that work harder from Monday to Saturday than Peyton and Tom Brady, you know. So they make it look so easy on Sunday because they're so prepared. They're so dialed in. They're so confident in what they're seeing and what they're what they're executing that it's second nature to them. They don't, they don't take days off. They don't. They don't.
don't leave early and come in late.
Their work ethic is everything to them.
I mean, Tom's ability in particular,
because I had a front row seat for it,
to take in so much information
and then compartmentalize it and use it when necessary
is such a unique trait.
Because so much is demanded of that position.
I mean, you think about it, you break a huddle,
you know, you're in New England week one.
There's, you know, 80,000 people screaming.
You can't hear.
You got to know where everyone's supposed to line up.
You got to know the motions.
Then you got to snap the ball and then you got to know where to throw.
I mean, there's so much.
Think about the amount of information that you have to process in a short period of time.
A lot.
And what work needs to be done before that play even gets snapped throughout the whole week to execute it at a high level.
And it's just no accident when you watch Peyton and Tom work and all that I've watched Gino work, why they're good.
And I watch Baker work.
You know, like they work harder than everybody else.
It means more.
Okay, I'll get you out of here on the Gemini question of the day.
The Gemini credit card, you earn crypto every time you make a purchase, groceries,
cash, you name it, Gemini.com slash card.
What has, we've got to pay the bills around here, Spitech.
No, that's expected.
What are the, what's been the best perk of being the general manager of an NFL team in Las Vegas?
Um, Sandra can get me on some golf courses that are pretty cool.
I'll say that our president, Sandra.
This is super well connected around here and she's like,
you're talking my language now.
Yeah.
So I've got a chance to play the win,
got a chance to play the Summit Club.
I don't get much time to do it,
but that's probably been the best perk so far because I'm a golf nut.
And it's kind of my happy place when I'm away from my family and away from football.
Well, this summer, you know, you're going to find out, is 115 dry heat or is that Florida 95 humidity heat?
I'll be interested to know what is more.
Most say humidity, but I'd say 115 plus living in Arizona.
It's tough to play golf in.
I know they're both hot.
I'm a sick enough golfer that I'll give it a shot at least.
And I do know when it's that hot, the ball goes really far.
So you can feel really good about yourself when you can hit an eight iron as far as you can hit it.
and 115 try heat.
You got a U.S. Open pick on your way out?
I mean, I'd be fooled, and I'd say Scotty, right?
Yeah, he looks pretty good.
Scotty.
I like it. I don't think you can go wrong with Scotty Schaeffler.
Okay, John, I can't.
Don't overthink it, right?
I mean, I'd like to make a more off-the-radar pick,
but does it not overthink this?
No.
Well, enjoy practice today.
I can't thank you enough for coming on with me,
and I look forward to watching you guys.
It's, I mean, it's going to be fun.
The AFC West is no joke.
You got Pete Carroll, Andy Reid, Jim Harbaugh, and Sean Payton.
So best of luck to you and can't wait to watch your team play.
Appreciate it, John.
Thanks for having me on today.
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