The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Reaction to Bo Nix & Broncos OT win vs. Commanders on SNF + NFL Week 13

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

Former NFL scout John Middlekauff is reacting LIVE immediately following the Week 13 Sunday Night Football matchup between Bo Nix and the Denver Broncos vs. Marcus Mariota and the Washington Commanders. John kicks off by reacting to Bo Nix's performance in an OT win against the Commanders on SNF. Next, John reacts to the San Francisco 49ers win in Week 13 vs. Shedeur Sanders and the Cleveland Browns and explains why he believes the Browns are a joke. John then discusses why the NFC West is getting weird after the Los Angeles Rams' loss to the Carolina Panthers. Next, John defends Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin and states that the team is poorly built and not built for success. John then reacts to Ole Miss head coach Lane Kiffin leaving for LSU and what implications that may have for Ole Miss and college football landscape moving forward. John also reacts to former Jacksonville Jaguars general manager Dave Caldwell accepting a position at the University of Florida to become their college general manager. John wraps up with his Hard Rock Bet Monday Night Football pick: New York Giants (+7) at New England Patriots 04:40 - Broncos-Commanders 17:37 - 49ers-Browns 23:18 - GameTime 24:20 - Bills-Steelers 33:34 - Lane Kiffin to LSU 43:08 - Florida GM 47:20 - HRB MNF Picks Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Use promo code “3ANDOUT20” on https://nicokick.com/zone for 20% off at checkout! Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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in the top five or six, right? These are human beings. So when you look at your opponent, you just don't take them as seriously. And one thing, if you watch a lot of NFL football on Sunday, don't blame you if you did not. Unlike the guys that play on Thursday, they don't eat their Thanksgiving meal until after the game.

I do think there's like the triptophan, kind of lack of focus. I thought it was pretty spotty play throughout the league today, and it kind of carried into the night game, where it just feels a little something's missing, especially from Denver, who still has a lot to play for. I mean, getting a home field, the number one seed in Denver, is a huge, huge swing moment for teams going to mile high, right?

And you're watching a night, you go, is there a team with a bigger variance in the NFL? That's a good team than the Denver Broncos? I mean, you can watch him on individual series when you're like, their defense's incredible. Hufunga was just a plug-in play. It looks like an all-pro. Their pass rush is awesome. Obviously, he's Rattan's back in the mix.

He's one of the best defensive backs in the league. But then they got Riley Moss, who Marcus Marriota made him look like he should be on a practice squad. I mean, Riley Moss, it is very, very difficult in this. modern free agency era to have a perfect defense or a perfect offense. You're typically going to have a liability somewhere, right? A guy that you would like to replace. But it's just, it's hard. You're not going to have all 11 high-end starters.

It's like, yeah, we've got 11 pro bowlers. Like, this isn't the mid-90s and it's the Cowboys or the 49ers. This is the free agency era. You're just going to have some individuals who are on the field with some limitations. And clearly when it comes to Riley Moss, like if you're going to do anything, that's who you're going to throw after. And they just went after him relentlessly tonight.

And, you know, he's just targeted constantly. Throughout this entire season, a couple weeks ago, I remember watching the game. I don't know if it's still the case. Led the league and past interferences. Tonight with the game on the line, Debo Samuel, who isn't exactly Jerry Rice or Marvin Harrison, not junior but senior

when it comes to route running and when the ball is not in his hands I wouldn't consider Debo to play fast goes right by him I mean almost almost scored ended up leading to what would have been the game tying touchdown in overtime

but obviously they went for two instead of kicking the field goal and Marriota didn't get it now I do believe that Marriota tonight looked really good through for basically 300 yards. I mean, you watch games like tonight. Marriota is a high-end backup and the athletic ability to keep plays alive with his legs.

Little inaccurate at times, but has a pretty explosive arm. Just a good player. Really high-level guy. People love them. And was playing really well. Like, was giving Denver all that they could handle. But I go back to these are human beings.

and when you go into a game against a team that is 3 and 8 whose star quarterback is watching the game from a box whose team is just not played very well you don't take them seriously and that's what I just wonder Denver coming into this game now there's an entire other element where Bo Nix is a giant wildguard like there were series like at the end of the first half

the what was the score They had just, Washington scored a touchdown to made it seven to six. And Denver got the ball back with a little over two minutes to go. And you want, you know what? You want to get some points. So at least you have a lead going into halftone. Maybe it's nine to six. In a perfect world, you get a touchdown and you go up, you know, 13 to 7.

And Bo Nix gets the ball, leads them right down the field on touchdown drive. You're like, well, that's the good Bo Nix. and then in the second half there's a play where he throws it right to Bobby Wagner, who Bobby Wagner didn't even move. He basically took a step back from where he was lined up pre-snap. And Bo immediately grabs his helmet like this, for those of you listening, he just puts his helmet or puts his hands on his helmet. Obviously, many of you were probably watching the game.

And it's like, that can't happen. And you could convince me that Denver could win the AFC pretty easily, if they get number one seed, win both games, and be the representation in the Super Bowl. I have a ticket on them to go to the Super Bowl. You could also convince me they could lose in the first round, right? If New England gets the number one seed, they're the two seed, depending on who they play as a seven seed, it would not shock me at all if Bo Nick just has a game where throws a couple picks, their offense doesn't do much, and they just lose a game like 15 to 13.

That would 100% be on the table. That's why I think that there is not a team with the high end and the low end that is going to be in the playoffs like the Denver Broncos. And it kind of goes to Bo Nicks. And I also think sometimes Sean Payton plays a role in this. We'll talk about the Panther game a little bit later, but when we discussed that game when they played the 49ers, it was like, why didn't you run the ball more?

How did you only have 13 carries in a game where your quarterback was just a little hit or miss? and tonight, like R.J. Harvey had 13 carries. You go, well, John, he only had 35 yards, averaging, you know, under three yards of carry. Well, that's part of being an offensive coach. Just slow down the game a little bit, and eventually your guy's going to break one. Maybe not for 50 yards, but if it's 20 yards or 30 yards or even 15 yards, there's a level of, you know, controlling the clock and establishing a physicality on offense and also taking some of the pressure off your.

quarterback because Bo Nix gets in these streaks where he's like running around skipping balls at guys' feet and you're like, this is, what is going on? And there probably hasn't been a more frustrating player throughout this season on a good team

than Bo Nix for the Broncos. It's like you watch individual series, you go, that's really impressive. Then you watch individual series and you go, that's terrible. You could leave this game and make the argument that Marriota out played him tonight. You know, I'm not even just factoring in numbers.

Marietta was a little less accurate. They basically threw similar yardage. Marietta threw for one more touchdown. Now, granted, it came in the overtime session. But they both threw an interception. Mariotto was sacked twice. Bo Nix was sacked once. They both kind of scramble around.

Kind of similar players. I would say Bo Nix's arms a little bit better. Though I think Mariotta's arm was, looked pretty strong the night. But one major difference is the commanders ran for like 60 more yards. And they just, they had 10 more carries. Like, that just helps an offense just settle down.

And I think Sean Payton, for whatever reason, gets into these positions with his quarterback where he's like trying to prove, I told you this is my next Drew Brees, who can move. I told you this is the guy that can lead us a Super Bowl. It's like, yeah, maybe that inevitably happens, but why are you trying to prove it on this individual

series when things aren't going well? Settle everything down, call some more runs. Hell, call quarterback runs for him. But it just feels like he's hesitant to do that or he just refuses to do that. But at the end of the day, only New England has

as many wins as they do. And assuming New England beats the Giants tomorrow, like the Broncos are easy, ahead of Jacksonville and Indianapolis, who are both 8 and 4. The Chargers are currently 8 and 4, but their quarterback is going to have surgery on his hand tomorrow. Now, I'm pretty sure it's his non-throwing hand, and even Herbert said that he expects to play in the Monday Night Football game against the Eagles coming up this week. But that's a pretty big wild card.

The Chiefs are currently 6 and 6. the Ravens and the Steelers are 6 and 6. So this thing is wide open. Now, I do think Denver has a better roster than the New England Patriots, but it would be hard to argue that you would have more faith in Bo Nicks than Drake May, given the way the two guys have played this year. So I think, listen, the AFC hasn't been this wide open in a long, long time. You could make the argument in like decades.

Because for 20 plus years, it was mainly New England with a little bit of Peyton mixed in. And the last five years has been Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reed, with Baltimore and Buffalo basically beating everyone else. Well, now Buffalo is also 8 and 4, but they got a million injuries. And they don't look great. You have the Ravens, who in any other season, would be up three games in that division. Steelers are in their circle in the drain.

I have zero faith. I mean, Indianapolis is playing a quarterback with a broken fibula. And he's like, well, healthy enough to play and the doctor's cleared me. It's like, that's a great sign. They're clearly leaking major oil. I have no faith in Jacksonville. You could argue Houston is one of the hottest teams in the league. And who knows if they can dig themselves out of that O and three hole?

I mean, they're attempting to. but at Jacksonville and India, I'm pretty sure haven't even played yet. But like Denver, if their quarterback play was more consistent, I think everyone would be picking them to win the AFC. Because their defense wasn't that great tonight. But the totality of the season, it has been excellent. And really for two straight years, it's been really, really good. And then from a weapon standpoint, I mean, Sudden, Ingram,

R.J. Harvey out of the backfield. Franklin's an explosive player. They do have enough weapons. Now, you lose J.K. Dobbins, their running game. Is their coach going to be willing to call enough runs? That is definitely up for debate. I just, I don't know, man. The AFC is in complete shambles right now.

And Sean Payton anointed this team at the beginning of the year saying, I've, throughout my however many two decades of being a head coach, I've had a handful of teams that I knew in training camp had a chance. right and this was one of them and like I do think the way that it's broken with the injuries with the chiefs being in shambles with the Ravens and how they've played with Burrow getting injured

it's all for them to take now do you have faith that they can take it I don't but I don't know who else I would pick you know we'll see New England tomorrow I just I'm still hesitant to think are they good enough I think they're a year away. Kind of like last year when Washington made it to the NFC championship game,

it was like, is this the least talented team ever to be in a championship game? But their quarterback was just playing out of his mind. And there's a little bit of that element with New England, though, you know, Travion Henderson has added an explosive element now that he's played over the course of the last month. Clearly their coach is a pretty accomplished guy, a lot like Dan Quinn last year. Like he had taken a team to a Super Bowl.

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I'm like, it's going to be snowing. It's going to be windy. How are they going to be able to function? And it turned out it was just really cold and kind of windy, but it wasn't really like raining and snowing. And that game was just an organizational, we're way better than you. It's crazy how big of a joke the Browns are.

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Kyle went in there. And one, he has been owned by Jim Schwartz. Jim Schwartz is 8 and 1 against him, physically dominated him a couple years ago. The year the 49ers went to the Super Bowl. and lost of the Chiefs. It was one, the 49ers had like a three-game losing streak in the middle of that season. But today, it was just from muffed punts to tush-push, fourth and one play calls that the tight ends fumbling.

It's like, what is going on here? And it's not like the 49ers are doing anything special. They couldn't run the ball. It would just, you know, they couldn't tackle anybody. Junkins, I would have given it to him every single play. and then you look up and all of a sudden it's like, wait, what's the score? And the 49ers win 26 to 8. It's like, how did this?

It's just because we have nothing in common with you. We're well run and you guys are just a complete joke. I mean a complete and utter joke of a franchise. And the 49ers to find a way to get to 9 and 4 with the amount of guys that they have injured is just an incredible accomplishment. It really is. And it's crazy to think, because I would have said this

a couple weeks ago, they have absolutely no chance to win the division. I still think it's going to be an uphill battle, but like they beat the Rams at home. Or excuse me, they beat the Rams in L.A. They beat Seattle in Seattle. They still play Seattle

to end the season in at Levi Stadium. They get a buy. Their next game is the Tennessee Titans. Like the 49 Niners pretty likely are going to be 10 and 4. They're going to be 10 and 4. They're not losing the Titans off a buy. In Seattle and the Rams in a couple weeks,

play each other on Thursday night. And here's the thing. Like I said with Denver, when you go on the road and you play a bad team, I don't want to say the Panthers are like bad. I mean, they're 6 and 6. But I think after that 9er game, you don't take them quite as seriously.

You go on the road, it's rainy, your time clock's a little thrown off, you just got to get into a weird game. And Matt Stafford clearly played the worst game of the season, right? Throws a pick six, throws another pick, has a fumble that could have been a fumble six. Luckily, they were able to tackle the guy. It was just off-kilter. And all of a sudden, you're like, because every time I would look over, I'd be like, I still think the Rams are going to pull this one out. And then all of a sudden, you're like, no, actually, they're not. And then all of a sudden, Bryce Young is doing the victory formation.

You're like, the Rams just lost that game. And now they're 9 and 3. And so the 49ers have the same amount of wins as both those other teams. I mean, that is, I don't think anyone would have saw this coming. The 49ers, Seattle, and the Rams, if I would have told you a month ago, would all have nine wins after Thanksgiving weekend. You would have told me I'm on drugs. Now, Seattle got a, I don't want to say lucky.

they played a team that essentially did not have a quarterback today. I mean, that kid that the Vikings rolled out, there are a lot of conspiracy theories on the internet about J.J. McCarthy. I did buy in some of them with the ankle injury. It was clearly the longest ankle sprain in the history of the NFL. I do think the concussion thing, he's not the first and he won't be the last guy to get concussion like symptoms either the next day or on the plane ride home. that happens.

I didn't have the audio on that game, so I'm sure they talked about it. Typically, when a guy is in the concussion protocol and he can't pass, doesn't always travel with the team. Maybe they make exceptions for a quarterback because they wanted to listen. I don't know. I don't think it's great for you to travel.

He clearly did, and he was on the sideline. But there is no disputing. Their quarterback situation is the worst in the league. It's an absolute joke. and Seattle could have rolled out me at quarterback and just handed the ball off every single time and they would have won that game. So Sam didn't really have to do much,

but this thing's wide open and things get weird. The reason I like the 49ers to make the playoffs at the beginning of the year because their schedule's pretty easy, I actually took the Browns kind of seriously today. Turns out I shouldn't have because the Niners are just way better. even though they got a lot of random dudes and you know Miles Garrett had a sack today on Trent Williams kind of smoked them actually in an inside move it was kind of sweet but yeah this division is about to get really

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3 of their last 4 Chargers kicked their ass Bears just handled them in the second half and obviously the bills today 1, 26 to 7. Their team is not very good. They have a poorly constructed roster and in the NFL

or in college, even the best coaches. Like, listen, I'm giving Kyle Shanahan a lot of credit. Again, the Browns. He still got George Kittle. Still has Joanne Jennings, who clearly is pissing a lot of people off. I don't know what Joanne's saying to people, but Shelby Harris said after the game,

you know, that Joanne Jennings got hit in the nuts last week, deserved to get hit in the mouth because of the things he's saying to guys when they're on the ground. I love to know a little bit more, but, you know, the 49th of, credible offensive players. But you can only do so much, right? It's about the Jimmy's and the Joe's and the X's and the O's. Now, I've been saying for a while,

in coaching, I don't care who you are, Pat Riley, Bill Parcells, Andy Reed, you go to different sports. Most people have a shelf life and need a restart, need a reset. We're seeing it this year with Mike Vrable. Mike Frable was told a year ago in Tennessee you need to pack your shit and get out of here

Took a year off Kind of got a fresh look at everything Got to reset got to put a little chip on his shoulder Comes to New England It's kicking ass and taking names And I think Mike Tomlin will really Really benefit from that But that's between him and the Steelers

And if they want him have him as the coach for life That's their prerogative One thing I would say to Mike If I knew him is like But you need a little more help in the front office. Like back when Kevin Colbert was your right hand, man, you guys had a point of difference. You guys had an advantage.

When I got in the league in 2010, definitely when I was a kid in college in the 2000s, and then even once I left the league in the mid-2010s, the Steelers were looked at like a high-level scouting operation, the way they evaluated players, the way they signed players, the way they drafted players. And I look at their team now, they kind of just constructed a roster like you or me might do if we're 16 years old on Madden. Kind of desperate at Aaron Rogers, trade for Jalen Ramsey, trade for D.K. Metcalf.

That doesn't seem like what a well-run operation would do, though, if they were trying to win games on Sunday in the actual National Football League. and I don't think it's by coincidence that they're getting their ass kick by all the good teams the Packers, the Chargers, the Bears, the Bills. I mean, think about that. All the games that they have lost over the course of the last month plus

are two teams that the Packers, the Chargers, the Bears, the Bears, and the Bills that are going to be in the playoffs. And they're getting worked for the most part in these performances. Because they don't have the talent. They don't have the rosters. The Buffalo Bills today are missing their two tackles.

So if you tell me, I'm the Pittsburgh Steelers and I get to play a team, whether it's a team that last year was in the AFC championship game or a team that's going to be drafting in the top 10, and they don't have their two starting tackles in a league that struggles to find decent offensive linemen, let alone backups who can fill the spot for starters, I would have been like, you should be able to make this game weird. And I saw T.J. Watt talking about the game after, in his post-game press conference, was basically like, I can just talk about the defense, but we're terrible.

We're just not very good. And I'd be like, yeah, because in a game, when you're playing backup tackles, you should dominate. If you put Miles Garrett versus a backup tackle, you could convince me to have 9,000, sacks. And I just watch the Steelers and I watch the bills. I go, bills just have more talent. I'm not even talking about Josh Allen. Then you factor in that your quarterback, who's about to be 42 years old, has a cast on his hand, on the one play where he got sacked by Joey Bosa, had his face slammed into the ground. I mean, after the game,

he looked like he just fought. I was going to say Floyd, but Floyd doesn't really hit you. He just kind of dances around. More like Mike Tyson or something. and I got blasted in the nose. And I actually, and I said this to Coward, I respect Aaron. Because when you've made that much money and you've checked every box you need to check for your quote-unquote legacy

and your resume as a football player, you don't need this. In 20 years, no one's going to talk about the last year you played in the NFL for the Pittsburgh Steelers the year they went 8, 9, or 9 and 8. It will be an afterthought on the way people discuss your career, right? And him playing in that game with a cast on his hand, and I get it's his non-throwing hand, I got to tip my hat to him.

But you could argue even just getting into business with him. Now, they didn't have many other options. Like, what do you think a 41, 42-year-old's going to be in the NFL? This is typically how it goes. It is typically ugly. You know, Brady going to 44-45, that's abnormal. We're not going to see that anymore. The norm is Matt Ryan, is Philip Rivers, is Big Ben, is Drew Breeze, is Eli Manning,

is the crew of peers that Aaron Rogers had, that when they got 37, 38, 39, Peyton Manning, his last year in Denver, they fall off a cliff. They're not nearly as good. Now, depending on how your team is built, Peyton Manning plays on a team with an elite defense and Julius Thomas, Demarius Thomas, a good offensive line, like other good player, Emmanuel Sanders, I think.

They had a lot of talent on the team. That's not the case here. This team is poorly built. And I started texting around to just, my buddies out there in the trenches of football scouting. And I got a couple of people to hit me back. John, their scouting staff's kind of embarrassment. And it shows.

And I get the Roonies, take a lot of pride in continuity, consistency, and patience, I guess, is a word. But it's easy to be patient when in the 90s or the 2000s, when you're going to a lot of conference championship games. When you have Super Bowl bursts, when you look over and you go, we're six and six, we're technically not even in first place. And honestly, the only reason we have a prayer this year is because Lamar Jackson got banged up and they had some other injuries early in the season. I would say a typical year, at minimum, there are two games behind the Ravens. And that would be the Ravens having a weird season at 8 and 4. So I think if you're the Steelers ownership, you've got to look in the mirror and ask yourself, what's going on? And did Mike Tomlin get dumb overnight? No. No. I think, I think, if you're the Steelers' ownership, you've got to look in the mirror and ask yourself,

what's going on? And did Mike Tomlin get dumb overnight? No. But clearly the talent on our roster has dramatically fallen off since early in his tenure. And even we go back to when they were winning playoff games in the 2010s, they had a lot of impact guys at a lot of different positions.

And the other guys that weren't pro bowlers just felt like guys that would start on every team. and they were just well-built. They just were a balanced team. And I watched this team, and I've been saying this now for weeks, they're just not well-built. And you, Steeler fans,

that are closer to the sun on this, no more than me, but it does feel the influence Tomlin has, if he's picking the players or has a lot of influence on the draft, maybe I'm out of touch on this. It does feel like the front office

has really screwed him and put them in a position to have no chance against the good teams in the NFL because simply put, they're just not a good team. Okay, a couple other things before we get out of here. I do think one thing college football has going for them is unlike the NFL because of the way their system is built with the conferences, it's kind of like pro football now, especially with the NIL,

meets the real housewives. You know, because the NFL, doesn't have the capability to steal coaches. So that element is something that just brings a drama and a reality television element, especially in the South, that we just don't get in the NFL.

And the Lane Kiffin saga, in a weird way, is fantastic for college football. Why? Because everyone has an opinion. It's one of those that you could ask someone that doesn't even watch that much college football, and they would have a take. Oh, he's fucking over his guys.

It's like, you would never turn down that much. It's LSU. What are you talking about? Every single person is going to have an opinion. And I do believe I'm not someone that's scared to take a stance. This was always going to be messy. And I've heard a couple people say, and I do agree with this. And I watched the documentary that he did on E60.

I think it was pretty clear that this year was a lot about changing his image. Or at least letting the world know that he has changed his image, right? Let everyone know I'm sober. The hot yoga thing became really, really big. My health, my wellness. My family now has all moved back around me. I'm around my kids. I'm around my ex-wife.

I text someone tonight, does that mean him and his ex-and-and-I know. I text someone that knows him pretty well. It's like, do they, like, live together? Do they sleep in the same bed? Or is it like his ex-wife just moved into town because their son is there now. And I couldn't quite get a real answer. But that's not the point of this whole thing. And maybe they're back in love. Maybe they're not. But hey, I'm a family man. It's almost like a politician. You're a stronger politician if you're married. If you can take

Christmas card photos with your three children than if you're just standing there with a couple your boys and a couple of 12 facts. I mean, you just look much more hireable when you check all the boxes that society has told you to check. And let's face it, for a long time and even Lane admitted this, he wasn't checking any of them.

And here's the other thing. He has been trying to get all these jobs four years. I know for, and I don't blame him. I know for a fact, he really wanted the Oregon job several years ago when Mario went to Miami. And they wouldn't even talk to

Think how crazy that sounds now. Now, clearly they made a great hire with Dan Lannning, but at the time, they would not even interview Lane Kiffin. And he obviously was on the fence a couple years ago about Auburn, ended up staying at Ole Miss. Think about this. Because I talk about this a lot, that if the Alabama thing, and I've probably tweeted this,

like he'll just go back to Alabama, Alabama was open last year. And guess who controls all of this? Jimmy Sexton. Well, who's just not? number one client and kind of has to do whatever he tells them to do when it comes to some of this stuff. Nick Saban. And Alabama, definitely, once Nick retired, was not going to hire someone that Nick did not want them to hire. So you're telling me that last year when Alabama came

available, Lane Kiffin wouldn't have been interested in the job. Well, guess what? Alabama wouldn't have hired him. And I think Lane Kiffin knew it. And I don't think the E-60 thing was random. And listen, PR, propaganda. We live in a world of it all. Clearly, I don't know Lane. I haven't talked to him in a long, long time. But my Fresno ties, it's where Lane went to college. I know a lot of people that know him well. My good buddy Tim Skipper played on the college football team with him.

John Baxter, who's the special teams coach at Fresno State, was a special teams coach at USC. Like, listen, I think what everyone says, Lane's a different cat, I do think the drinking and the partying was a big kind of X factor to his life. and I think he wanted to show everyone that is behind him. And you just look at him. Like he just looks sober with his skinny face. And clearly health is a big part of his life now.

I also think, though, he's treated like he's Nick Sabin. It's like, guys, I mean, last year he, a lot of people thought, beside Ohio State, had the best roster in the country and didn't even make the playoffs. Now, this year he's done a really good job. what's his best win Oklahoma again I'm not trying to diminish any of his accomplishments my point is that he's talked about

like he's Nick Sabin or Urban Meyer and I think it's more of a product of this hype machine we work in now part of it he's a huge personality and that always and will always work in college football and it's fun I enjoy it I like following this whole thing I'm entertained by it I understand if you're an Ole Miss fan

you hate him. You're going to believe in that one... You know, the guy that said you can't turn a hoe into a housewife, the... I don't know if he's a local reporter, local podcaster that clearly pissed Lane off. Like, that analogy kind of works here, Elaine. Like, based on your career,

you're kind of a nomad bouncing around. Whether you're getting fired, like at USC, or like when Nick Sabin fired you, Or like now, you have a playoff team and you're choosing to go to LSU, which may age as being the right decision. May age to not, because the one thing in the SEC, whether you're a huge personality, or whether you're an asshole,

or whether you're a big talker, or whether you're an introverted, don't say much. If you win, no one cares. But if you don't. And I mean, especially at LSU, at Florida, at Bama. Look at Kailin Dubour. He was probably a couple minutes away from Auburn scoring,

and if they went for two losing that game, to basically being forced to having to go to Penn State, just because 9 and 3 would not have been accepted. Missing the playoffs would not have been allowed. Because their expectations there are so high. And I think the lane is going to have the hoopla, the hype machine, it's going to be a lot of fun and I'm excited to watch him at LSU

I love the drama of this I'm very entertained by this as an outsider as someone who doesn't have a specific team I gravitated for years to Nick Saban just because I enjoyed watching Alabama play but I just enjoy the drama of the SEC

and I can't wait to watch this and when LSU goes back to Ole Miss next year the animosity, the anger It's going to be a lot of fun. But you better win, you better win big. And I think you get all this money, you get all this hype. Eventually, you start playing games.

And, you know, what he did at Ole Miss, there's just, there's a bigger magnifying glass at LSU. And it's going to be fascinating to watch. Now, I do think some of these guys, there's no disputing Lane's offensive mind. He's clearly pretty brilliant, you know, going back to USC days to Alabama when he was Wissabin to what he's done at FAU and clearly at Ole Miss.

But I just think this thing is going to be, it's going to be crazy and it's going to be intense. And the hatred. The other thing in sports, like sometimes you need villains. Like you can't just have, it's the problem. Like I love the PGA tour. Every guy's just too nice now. All their villains play on the live tour. Like you need some Draymond.

Green's and Dennis Rodman's. You can't have everyone being buddy, buddy. I need people, like, I say this all the time. It speaks to like Ohio State and the Lakers that I root against you. That's a powerful thing. People root against the Yankees. People root against Duke basketball. No one roots against the Arizona Cardinals.

No one roots against the Jacksonville Jaguars. No one roots against the Atlanta Hawks. But like, some people hated Nick Saban. People hated Coach K. People hate Rick Petino or John Calipari. People just want to root against the... People hated Brian Kelly. Since Lincoln Riley has gone to USC,

I find myself kind of rooting against them. I don't even know why. You just need people to root against. That's the power of sports. You can't... The programs or the teams that are just fans don't care about, that's a problem. So LSU now is going to, a lot of people in the SEC are going to root against them.

That's good. I mean, that's because of lame. And he's become the number one villain in college football. He's an extremely polarizing individual. And buckle up because I can't wait to watch it. Daniel Craig returns as Benoit Blank. In the wake-up dead man, a Knives Out mystery with an all-star assembled cast for his most dangerous case yet.

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We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys?

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It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano. podcast point game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves,

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Cream a chicken suit. This is help from a hypocrite. The worst advice. from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Coutura Podcast Network available on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I saw a story today from Jeff Darlington about Dave Caldwell,

the former Jags GM, who was actually working for the Philadelphia Eagles, I think for the last six or seven years. And he's leaving the Eagles to become the GM for Florida. and I do believe, and I've been saying this for a while, whenever this topic comes up, that a lot of guys in the NFL that are like the third or fourth guy, like if you're the college scouting director, or you're like the head SEC scout,

if you get the opportunity to be the GM of the LSU for Lane or be the GM for Florida, or be the GM for Clemson, or be the GM for Ohio State, these jobs are pretty elite because a lot of them pay, you know, Jim Nagy, who is a longtime NFL scout, ran the senior bull once Phil Savage left, and now he is the general manager at Oklahoma. I'm pretty sure he makes $850,000.

So unlike when you're a road scout and you have to travel all over the place, you basically are just in-house. And because of the current rules, you can't go on the road and recruit. So from a travel perspective, besides going to the teams away games, it's a pretty good gig. Now, it's hard, long days, long hours,

but if you're already having that gig in the NFL at either on the road for a team or like an in-house pro scouting director, you're working crazy hours anyway and not making nearly as much money. I was texting someone a day. I've never signed a $100 million contract, but I can't imagine some of these guys

that are making $100 million in the S&S. that live in these towns, how many homes in Baton Rouge or Oxford, Mississippi, are worth like over $3 million? You know, this was the thing when Lincoln went to USC,

he had just built like a new mansion. And they're like, who's he going to sell it to? There's no one in Norman, Oklahoma that is going to buy this off of them. So USC had to spend the money to essentially just buy his property. And I do think these guys

are just living. Like, Lane Kiffin's going to make $12 or $13 million to be the head coach in Baton Rouge. He's been making $8, $9, $10 million for the last four or five years in Oxford, Mississippi. Like, the amount of money

he is making right now, I bet he is making the equivalent of some NFL players making like 20 or 25 million that are living in a place like Los Angeles, San Francisco, or New York. When you factor in the taxes, when you factor in the cost of living,

like he is swimming in money. And I think a lot of these college football programs are the assistants, the GMs. Like this is a really good time. When I worked in college football, none of these jobs existed. Definitely none of this money was near at this level. So I get asked a lot of times, like how do you get involved if I want to get in scouting? There is a direct route now in college football. And you don't have to start out as like the GM, but just like get your foot in the door.

All these programs are building and creating scouting departments that did not exist a decade ago. Saban kind of started it, maybe in the 2010, 11, 12 range. And by the end of last decade, kind of everyone's copied. Now because of the growth and the wealth of the sport, there's a lot of money behind it. And it's not like, well, you can work for the program, but we can give you a $200. a week stipend. It's like, no, we got three positions. They all pay $75,000. And then you can be the number two, make $400,000, and then you can be the GM and make $900,000. So it's a crazy business. The Lane Kiffin story was nuts, and we just got to buckle up and enjoy it. Have a great night.

Hopefully you guys had a good week and talk to everyone. I'll see everyone on Monday morning. Oh yeah, really quick before we get out of here. Thanks, my man, Shane, for reminding me. Hard Rock Bet. All our lines are brought to you by them. They've been great partners. And I do like a lot of underdogs in this situation when they're playing in prime time. Because for the New York Giants, one, since Mike Kafka has taken over, they could have gone 2-0. They could have beat the Packers and they could have beat the Lions.

They've played well. I also think Jackson Darts coming back should give them a little life. They're bound to win one of these games. I mean, no team has blown more late leads. obviously they just fired their defensive coordinator. I just think seven points a lot. We have seen multiple seven point plus underdogs, whether it's the Bears, whether it's the Bengals,

cover, go on the road in cover, actually outright win. So I'm going to take the Giants, getting a touchdown, and yeah, so that's the way I will roll. Have a great night. The volume. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas.

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What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast, Point Game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was calling it. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that Game 7, Marquis come until he's like, you know I love you, dog. You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball.

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