The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Reaction to Dak Prescott & Cowboys BLOWOUT WIN vs. Geno Smith & Raiders

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

Former NFL scout John Middlekauff is reacting LIVE immediately following the Week 11 Sunday Night Football matchup between Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys vs. Geno Smith and the Las Vegas Raiders. John kicks off by reacting to the Cowboys MNF over the Raiders and debates if Raiders head coach should be one and done. John then debates if the Cowboys are set up to build out their defense in 2026. John then reacts to reports that Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Penix Jr. may be out for the season with a knee injury. Next, John reacts to the New York Jets benching QB Justin Fields for Tyrod Taylor. Following that, John reacts to the news that Virginia Tech has hired former Penn State head coach James Franklin as their next head coach. John wraps up discussing reports that Ole Miss has given head coach Lane Kiffin an ultimatum due to major interest from big time college programs like LSU & Florida.   Finally, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 04:27 - Cowboys-Raiders 24:25 - Atlanta Falcons 29:58 - New York Jets 32:05 - Arizona Cardinals 36:24 - ZONED IN: Josh Allen 40:32 - Virginia Tech hires James Franklin 44:49 - Ole Miss gives Lane Kiffin an ultimatum Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Use promo code “3ANDOUT20” on https://nicokick.com/zone for 20% off at checkout! Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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they were in the NFC championship two years ago. Last year they were the number two seed, the Eagles of the defending champs. There's a lot going on last night. This game, you're looking at Dallas, who probably, if I had to guess right now, Dallas ends up going 7-9 and 1. And the Raiders might win three games. So it's like, what am I going to talk about?

What is interesting about this game? And I have, and know a lot of Raider fans, and I'm getting texts from Die Hard. I'm getting a lot of DMs. And I think it's been on the front of everyone's mind because when they hired this guy, I thought, like, we saw two first year coaches for their teams this year.

Obviously Pete's been a coach for a long time, but first year with the Raiders, same thing with Brian Schottenheimer. I think the one thing that's not debatable. Now the Cowboys have a long way to go and we'll dive into kind of their roster management. Brian Schottenheimer's good with the offense. Him and Dak have a really good rapport. He, George Pickens has looked excellent with him. Obviously when CD's on the field, like Brian Schottenheimer, how he'll be when the team gets better if they hit on some defensive players, only time will tell. But his skill is pretty legit. Like, he's a pretty good play caller. I'm looking at Pete Carroll, who,

is 74 years old. And if he makes it to the next football season, we'll be 75. I think when you look at the Raiders, it's kind of sad. My wife is born and raised in the Bay Area, the East Bay, which would be, in theory,

more Raider territory. But, you know, she's in her early 30s. It's most people her age, and she's been around our Niner fans. But historically, the Raiders, on that side of the bridge, in the 70s and in the 80s, kind of owned it before they took off to L.

and she looked at me, she's like, are the Raiders ever good? And in fairness to her, for the last 20 years, they have been awful. And they are consistently always bad. And listen, SpyTech's been on this podcast.

I don't know him that well, though I know a lot of people that know him well, and clearly coming from Jason Light, I do think the guy's good at his job and will be good at his job. And obviously Tom Brady's track record playing the game, for itself. And now he's involved in kind of this somewhat mysterious role. Obviously, he is a

whatever owns a percentage of the team, but like how much influence does he have? And here's the other thing. Just because you're a great player doesn't mean you're some great evaluator, right? Just because you were a great quarterback doesn't mean you understand what's going to separate Ty Simpson from Lenora Sellers from Fernando Mendoza. Right? Like I would imagine there are people that do this for a living that would rank those guys better than Tom Brady might rank them. So there's a lot of moving parts there. But when they hired Pete Carroll, I thought, this is a smart move. It just will give them a guy that knows what he's doing and get the train going back on the tracks in the right direction. That doesn't mean in the next couple of years

making the playoffs, but just be a credible operation. And I get it's only year one, but you're watching this team, they are horrendous. They are so bad at football. I mean, I was thinking about this, about 10 minutes into the game. I was like, this game, if this was on a Sunday, especially like a Sunday morning with six or seven other games on, the overwhelming majority of football fans would not put this on one of their four boxes. And if you're a sick of like me and have multiple TVs, it would get stashed on the smaller one in a box in the corner. And, after DAC through a couple touchdowns, you wouldn't pay attention. This game is completely irrelevant. And I do think it's somewhat of a reflection of Pete Carroll. And I think we have to ask ourselves,

does this make any sense? To have a guy who will be 75 years old next year on a team with, that we know for a fact has two good players. Brock Bowers and Max Crosby. I hope Ash and Genty's good. Right now, while it's impossible to tell, he currently has no impact. Right. So they have two good players, they are in a division that is absolutely loaded with the Chiefs, the Broncos, and once the charges get a couple offensive linemen back, they should win double digit every year with Jim Harbaugh. So you go, what are we doing? And I think the question is, do you fire Pete Carroll after this year? And I think the Giants taught us a good lesson. I think sometimes you want to be patient for the sake of patience just to say

I'm not crazy we are not flying by the seat of our pants we're not just firing guys to fire guys and then there is we've all watched football long enough you know I think if you get on the internet you see a lot is Pete Carroll washed and I still think his passion's there he honestly looks the same as he did 10 years ago

when he was in his mid-60s physically I would imagine his energy to attempt to do this he had a year off and was desperate to get back in. So when I see Izzy Washed, I think the same characteristics and standards and philosophies that were successful when he was at SC

and early on in Seattle that he carried through for over a decade, I think he's carrying those through now with the same energy and effort. I think the problem is, this team needs to be torn down to the studs and completely start over. I thought they should have traded Max Crosby last year.

But Pete Carroll wouldn't want to trade Max Crosby, right? Pete Carroll is 74 years old. Pete Carroll wants to have a Max Crosby. Hell, he's starting Jamal Adams at linebacker right now. I looked up, I was like, is that 33 lined up like Ray Lewis? I mean, he's starting a linebacker. So, and I think that shows you who was pounding the table for that trade. And Pete Carroll's not in the position to do a startover.

He's not in a position to do a rebuild. His mind is not wired to think like that. Rightfully so. he'll be 75 years old next year. So I would say philosophically, his beliefs in football of trying to win, compete every day, and trying to win right now,

when you're making moves in January, February, and March, building the team for training camp in the season, how is John Spitech going to view what he just witnessed throughout this season the same as Pete Carroll for what he will want for week one? They will not be aligned.

So I think it's fair. Listen, we all make a lot. mistakes and the Raiders feel like they make more than others. Though I think a lot of their mistakes, I've understood why they've made him when it comes to coaches recently. Like, I understood why Mark Davis hired John Gruden. He wanted some fireworks. He was trying to get a new stadium.

He was trying to move. He needed a headliner. A little bit like back in the day when Jerry Jones hired Bill Parcells to get his stadium built. The 49ers did the same thing with Jim Harbaugh to get Levi Stadium built. You kind of needed a headliner. And I thought it was the right move. Obviously, a lot of stuff happened, didn't make it through five years.

A couple years later, he hired Josh McDaniels. Totally understood that one. He couldn't even make it through a year two. This year, Pete Carroll, like, okay, just everyone take a deep breath. It's just not working. And you hired Chip Kelly, who hasn't been a good offensive coordinator in over a decade and pay him $6 million a year. That's an insane move.

So, listen, one thing about Pete Carroll, you could say is like, does he know who to hire? He's like, well, who'd he bring in for his defensive coordinator? Well, he just kept the guy that Josh had brought, Patrick Graham from New England, who's really good. So that guy, he just inherited him. The one move that he had to make that was really important was the offensive coordinator. And clearly he hired a guy that's not very good at his job.

And it cost him 4X what it would have cost some random dude from a Shanahan coaching tree. So it's like, why are you doing this? And one thing about Pete Carroll, Google him, he has fired. a lot of coaches, especially offensive coordinators. So if Pete Carroll is able to survive, Chip Kelly will 100% be fired. I just think if you're John Spitech, you start looking at Mark Davis and Tom Brady

and go, listen, this is not working out. And we might need to separate ourselves because what we need to do, and this sucks, because he's an awesome player, he tries his balls off, and he's very passionate about this brand. You know, there's only been a couple players, and I've spent a lot of time around the Raiders

since I left the NFL in 2013, so for over a decade, that like truly like kind of bled silver and black, right? Like kind of like an Al Davis type, like love the brand. And that was Derek Carr, and that's Max Crosby. Most of these other players are complete mercenaries. They do not give a shit. Khalil Mack, the moment they wouldn't sniff his demands was like, get me out of here.

Amari Cooper couldn't have got out of here fast enough. You know, Max Crosby has tattoos, with the Raiders logo, obviously desperately wants to win, has ingrained himself in that community, as boys with Dana White. Like, he's a big Vegas guy. But it's completely pointless to have them on the team. But Pete Carroll would never want to give that up

because that's not going to help him out in 2006. But if you're, if you're SpyTech, I think you have to look at it like, this is stupid. This is a joke. Like, our team is going nowhere, and we have two players of value. And that's, that's him and Brock Bowler. And I think you could justify trading them both next offseason because your team is not a year away from being two years away.

I think we have to acknowledge that as well. Because you look around the quarterback class, like that's what Dallas has. You know, Dallas has multiple first round picks. And they have three first round picks the next two years. And now they have some defensive tackles. They need to hit on some defensive players. But they have a quarterback who is more than competent. Does he have some flaws?

Yes. But he's a real quarterback. and they've invested a ton of draft capital in their offensive line. And I think they're going to be pressured to have to keep George Pickens to go with C.D. Lamb and like their offense, Ferguson's under contract, is really good, is really explosive. They need to build that defense, which let's be real, if they do a good job this offseason, they probably could flip it really quick. They are not that far away.

You never know when you draft a guy how impactful he will be as a rookie. Some guys are better than others. I'll use Khalil Mack as an example. He was pretty raw coming from Buffalo as a rookie. I think he only had four and a half sacks. You could see what the future look like, right? But it was not like he wasn't ready to be a pro ball or all pro. So it's hard.

But if they do nail some picks and invest some, I would say, free agency capital into the defensive side of the ball, I think Dallas Cowboys could be a playoff team in 2006. And then I think we would really judge Brian Schottenheimer a little bit differently than we are right now. I don't see the Raiders have any chance to be a six-win team next year. They have no talent. Their quarterback, I mean, if you don't have an offensive line,

Gino's got no shot. The running back, like one thing I will disagree with the organization of, I was never on board with taking that guy number six overall. I couldn't have done it. And they did. Now, is he as bad as he's looked? I don't know. Is that a reflection of Chip Kelly?

I don't know. I mean, I'm watching Brian Schottenheimer make George Pickens look like he's Randy Moss. So it's like part of being a great offensive coordinator. Like at the end of the day, if you're a defensive end, I can't make you look like Miles Garrett or Khalil Mack. You either have the skills to bend the edge, to bull rush, or you don't.

Like Quinn and Williams has skills at defensive tackle that all the guys in the Raiders just do not possess. There is no coaching up defensive players on the line of scrimmage, right? There's no coaching up corner in man-to-man coverage. Like, you can either run a 4-4-flat or you can't. And if you can't, you're going to get smoked by a lot of wide receivers. But I can manipulate offense.

I can scheme guys open. I just saw this clip of Ben Johnson. They asked him if he's going to start like integrating more 50-50 concepts to his offense and throw some 50-50 balls to his wide receivers. He's like, I don't know if you've watched me in Detroit, but I don't run 50-50 balls. I don't like that. I like to scheme guys open. What he's saying is, like, I can manipulate this thing.

I'm not going to ask a guy, like, we don't have Randy Boss on this team, to just be in a one-on-one situation, just tell Caleb, throw it up. The Cowboys do some of that, but they have great 50-50 wide receivers. But his point was, like, our skill with me running this thing is I'm manipulating the defense. And that's what a good offensive coordinator does. And when you have a guy, in theory, with Genti's skill set, You should be able to manipulate some stuff. They don't even try.

And I just think the Raiders coaching staff is just completely broken. And if I'm SpyTech, I try to do this in a credible way, not trying to backstab anybody, but I'm trying to separate from Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly immediately because that is, those two guys are a sinking ship. And like I said with Dallas, I mean, they are a good off season away from being a 10-11 win team next year. because Brian Chottonheimer

once upon a time was viewed as one of the best offensive coordinators in the league. And it just kind of went sideways on him. He kind of flew under the radar and is he a great head coach? We'll only know with a better team. But he clearly is a pretty good offensive coordinator. And he clearly has a fantastic

relationship, rapport, and understanding of him and DAC are on the same page. And I also give you credit when you're an offensive coach, like can he handle some personalities? Because not everyone's a choir boy in the NFL. we're not teaching people life lessons here and if you can produce we're going to have a spot for you especially

in Dallas where their owner is as open-minded and is liberal with character issues as anyone and let's face it George Pickens drove Mike Tomlin insane and they couldn't get rid of them fast enough which is kind of ironic that they got rid of them for D.K. Medcalf

if one thing it's like yeah we just traded them for you know whoever just some Terry McLaurin you're like I can see that like DK Metcalf is a little bit of a wild card too. Didn't he like lead the league in penalties the previous year? Had a bunch of personal fouls. Doesn't he have some issues too with his play?

And I'm watching George Pickens, who just feels every single time I watch the Cowboys is just playing his tail off. Like he plays really hard. And that was a knock on him. I was like, yeah, he kind of goes through the motions. Not that into it. I'm watching a guy breaking tackles, looking to make plays, running hard. He's just pretty special talent.

Now, I think you're always nervous guy in a. in a contract year, how much money do you have to give him? You know, he's not getting like C.D. Lambs and Mark Chase money, but it's not like he's making $5 million. So anytime you pay a guy, are you going to get that consistent effort? And maybe you feel as long as you got DAC, you got the infrastructure, young offensive linemen, who obviously look better against the Raiders.

I'm trying to think a couple weeks ago, they played someone and they were getting someone down. Oh, the Cardinals. Walter Nolan and Sweat made them look bad. So now, Sweat's actually having a really good year. I think he, like second the league in sacks. Or maybe that's, maybe that's us. Brian Burns has 13 behind Miles Gere. I think Sweat is nine.

But Sweat's, you know, a pretty high-end player. Obviously, Nolan, very talented guy. But I do think the Cowboys are not quite the laughing stock that, and I'm probably guilty of this too, that we all made them out to be. They got a lot going for them. And now the pressure's in the draft where, let's face it, they've been pretty good. Like the problem for the Cowboys has not.

up and, you know, if they could just draft better. Like, drafting hasn't been their issue. I mean, it really hasn't. It's really been coaching. It's been, I mean, coaching's been a huge issue. And Jerry Jones meddling in the situation that everything that's going on in Dallas.

Hell, the big article that came around last year was players complaining about fans getting VIP tours in the facility. It's like, you know, I'm just trying to watch Eagles tape and I got a Billy from Section 7 asking for my autograph on a Tuesday afternoon eating a hot dog. It's like, yeah, it's not normal. Even though, you know, Dach just says he kind of deals with it.

I do think if I could buy a little stock, I might buy a little stock in Dallas. And part of it too is their division isn't that hard. The Eagles got some offensive issues. We have no clue just over the next couple of years. Is Kevin Patola, even if they go to the NFC championship? Hell, they go to the Super Bowl. Is he just going to be their offensive coordinator?

This is how their offense is going to look? because AJ Brown's not going to be on the team next year. Now, their defense is really good, but Washington is in complete shambles, and the Giants, I mean, don't even have a coach. I mean, they got, you got Cam Scataboo at WWRodonite in a cast. You got Brian Burns, who was benched at the start of the game there with him. The Giants right now have a bunch of players.

I don't blame them for going. Big Dom was there with Cooper DeGene. The Giants feel a little bit like, you know, they got the substitute teacher, right? their parents went on a cruise and they got the pushover babysitter. Those cats are living well. It's like, you guys are losing a lot of games. But they're living like there are seven-win teams.

You look at the Cowboys would not shock me at all next year if they are just in the mix. A lot of pressure is going to be on these draft picks. You could also manipulate it. Like if you're Dallas and Max Crosby is available, hey, we'll give you a one and two-twos for him. Like what would it take to get him? I would imagine Jerry Jones,

because again, part of the reason Jerry traded for Quinn and Williams, they need defensive tackle help, but it's like, well, he traded his one in 2007. Here's going to be like 87 years old. You think Jerry's worried about that first-round pick, what he's doing like year four? Because the likelihood of me being around is slim to none. So there's not much to break down in this game.

I do think there's some big picture stuff with these two franchises that are kind of interesting. And I do think, you know, Dallas is humming on offense. Watching Dallas and Schottenheimer against Fangio and kind of this new revamped Eagles defense next week going to be pretty interesting. And here's the thing. And this was kind of an indictment on the Raiders. Like if you can't get right against Dallas's defense, and I know adding Quinn and Williams

helps obviously a little bit. And Quinn and Williams could eat a little against Philadelphia. I mean, their guard center guard situation is not great. But, you know, if you're Jalen and you're AJ and you're Devante, like, Can we score like three touchdowns against these guys? Can we have some explosive plays? Because if you can't do it against these guys, it is going to be a little alarming if you're an Eagles team,

like heading into the playoffs where obviously you're going to play some better defenses. So something to keep an eye on. But congrats to the Cowboys on getting the Big Monday Night Football win. And I do think, you know, Pete Carroll can chomp that gum and walk with those, you know, white new balances and have a big smile. and eat a bunch of kale, but this thing is not going well at all. Today's show is brought to you by our new presenting sponsor Hard Rock Bet.

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And I have three different examples here. I'm going to start with the Atlanta Falcons, who I was out on again this year. Now, I never believed that they were going to be this bad because I do think there's a chance that they're like four and 13. They have a chance now to completely unravel. It could get really, really ugly. Reports today that Michael Pennix might have re-tore his ACL,

which I think would be on either knee, because he's torn them both, would be the second time on a knee, and it would obviously be out for this season, and it would impact his off-season, and it would be his fourth season-ending injury, I think in the last, last year was in the last eight years. So four season-ending injuries in eight years. And I was texting around to some NFL buddies today,

and I obviously liked Michael Panics coming out. I was a Michael Panix fan. Most of my friends in the NFL were not. They did not view him as a first-round pick. I'm texting around today. He thought a buddy of mine that he's, there were several draft boards where he just would have been off. based on injuries alone.

When you play six years in college in three of those, actually I think four of those, because a couple were like shoulders, that you can't finish the season, you know, alarms and red flags go off. And some of that's, you know, predicated on what the doctors are telling you, but that gives teams, that scares teams, because guys with a lot of injury history,

even though the past doesn't always predict the future, you know, teams get very rattled by that. and obviously a lot of teams did not view him highly like the Falcons did. But the Falcons had a stretch where they signed Kirk Cousins and drafted this guy in basically 30 days. And it has destroyed their franchise because, one, cousin signing is one of the worst in recent memories. And Pennix, even before he was injured, I think we have to acknowledge it, has not been a very good player. So when you ruin the quarterback position and you're kind of cocky about it, it's going to get you in trouble.

I do think Atlanta, the craziest part in this saddens me to say, is their downfall is actually benefiting the Los Angeles Rams. And I do think there had to be a moment in the draft room where Sean McVeigh, who's, I think, I don't know if it was his best man in his wedding, but one of his best friends is Rahim Morris. When they got on the phone with less need in the Rams and said, we will offer you a 2006 first round pick

for James Pierce and the Rams should have said Rahim, we can't let you do that. That is we would fire you for doing that. So we just, as your good friend, we would advise you to rethink this idea and they did not do that.

And they took their first round pick. And right now the Rams, a day after beating Seattle, battle in first place in the NFC West and looking like a team. I mean, if they play like they did yesterday, would have a chance to win the Super Bowl, also own the eighth pick in the draft as we sit here on November 17th. Let me repeat, the Los Angeles Rams owned the eighth pick in the draft. But here's the thing, how are the Atlanta Falcons going to win any games? We saw Kirk Cousins earlier the season. It's completely over. Pennix is gone. Drake London is now banged up. They are screwed.

And now their defense isn't good. I mean, Bryce Young just threw for like 700 yards against them in an overtime victory. I think the Atlanta Falcons are a great example. You know, you look around the NFL, even like a team like the Lions right now that have a bad loss or the Packers that have got. They are in such a different universe than teams like Atlanta. Like I will just, if these were all stocks, you would just short Atlanta every single year. in that move that they made trading a future first round pick, trading up from the 30s to the 20s.

Whether I agree or disagree with taking Travis Hunter number two overall because you think he can be a two-way player, even though no one's ever been a two-way player, and that includes his former coach, who is the greatest athlete, arguably of all time in the NFL, and could just sparingly play on offense, it's at least you're going from five to two. like that's the cost of doing business.

When you trade back into the 20s to give a future first round pick it is honestly some of the most reckless draft behavior we have ever seen and it blew up in their face like immediately. I just think if you're the Rams

you're kind of downplaying it but I mean you got that in your back pocket less need is sending his scouts like scouting all the real high end guys. You know typically you, you're watching whoever, the quote-unquote, you know, the Caleb Downs or the defensive lineman from Ohio State or Miami, and you run into someone like the Eagles or, you know, the Ravens or the chiefs, like you're not drafting these guys. Lessney's like top scouts just standing right next

to the dudes from the Giants and the Titans. Like, yeah, we might get this guy too. You know, it's like, it's just got to be an incredible feeling right now for Les Need. It was always F them picks and now he's going to have a top 10 pick. Pretty insane. And speaking of why teams or bad teams stay bad, the New York Jets, I saw a headline today that Tyrod Taylor will be their starting quarterback this year. I saw one of the New York Jets, I think it might have been Rich Semeni, you know, who's the beat reporter, covers the team closely for ESPN. He tweeted out some numbers that said, if this offseason the Jets cut Justin Fields,

so the dead money they will have from that contract. And if you combine that with the dead money that they will have for, Aaron Rogers' contract next year in 2006 will combine for $57 million in dead cap. Somewhat understand the Aaron Rogers thing. We probably all would have made the Aaron Rogers trade. He gave them, remember, a massive discount when he redid his contract. It kind of is what it is. That was a move that 99% of people would have made given their options

and it blew up in their face. The Justin Fields move did not need to happen. They did not need to do that. Why? Because we all knew that he's not a very good quarterback. Great guy. Unreal athlete. Awful quarterback.

And you're benching a guy that you gave. It's one thing, listen. Sometimes, you know, we gave this guy one year, $10 million to be the backup, and he wasn't any good. It's happened to Andy Dalton before. You know, Flacco, I know he's kind of good now. A couple years ago, he wasn't that good.

Sometimes you give backups one year, seven million dollars, and he's just not any good. To give this guy two years, $40 million, is about as crazy as you get in the free agent market. It really is. And you look at the Jets, you look at the Falcons, they have no clue what they're doing when it comes to quarterback. They really do not. Remember, the Falcons before about Ryan, like, what was going on there? obviously Michael Vick went to jail, but they drafted Michael Vick number one overall. They don't know what they're doing.

And if you look since, it's like they've had Desmond Ritter, give cousins, it's like Heineke. These franchises, bad franchises, are where quarterbacks go to die. And the Arizona Cardinals are a good example of, like Jonathan Gannon and Monty, I always screw up the guy's last name, but the GM of the Cardinals. I actually think they're not bad. But they hits their wagon Osenfort,

Monty Ossinfort, a former Patriot guy. They hits their wagon to a team that had Kyler Murray under one of the craziest contracts we've ever seen. I mean, the contract, they felt so good about the contract, they had to put a clause in there

that he couldn't play video games, which has never happened before and will never happen again when it comes to a quarterback. And obviously when they accepted the job, which I understand there are only 32 of them, and there aren't 32 of them because most like the Ravens, the Chiefs, the 49ers,

like a lot of these jobs don't ever come open, right? So it's really the same 10ish jobs that kind of recycle, right? The Jets, the Giants, the Cardinals, the Jags. So you're going to hit your wagon to a bad NFL job, even though it's like not that bad. My wife's in real estate when Jonathan Gannon bought his house down, you know, closer to Tempe. I remember Googling or, you know, she had all the, like, she has these programs like, ah, it's pretty big mortgage he's taking up. Business must be booming.

So you make a lot of money. And I think Jonathan Gannon actually is pretty solid. But the team now is just a complete disaster. They have no quarterback. Right. Think about this. The guy that they inherited on a max contract got benched for Jacoby Brissette, who the last two weeks, they've played Seattle and the 49ers, and they lost 44 to 22 and 41 to 22. And neither game was that close. Like those scores don't indicate what we witnessed. And they're all going to get fired.

And it's all because they took a job with a guy on a massive contract that's not a max player. And you see this around the league. When you sign these guys to these huge contracts and they're not max players, you have immediate problems. And guys' jobs are lost. And I would say this.

about if all these guys get fired, and maybe the GM, kind of like the Giants, keeps their job, which is always kind of crazy, but it happens more often than both guys getting blown out. This is a terrible gig. It really is. I mean, you're in a division with Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan, and Mike McDonald. You have no chance. Your owner's a clown. I mean, he really is. The ownership has no clue. He really doesn't. Like, the best thing that could ever have, to the Arizona Cardinals would be the Bidwell family selling the team. I would say the same thing, you know, Mark Davis's mom, Carol, whose Al's wife just died.

I would say the best thing that could ever happen to the Raiders is the same thing. Just sell the team. Look at the Buss family. You know, Dr. Buss was extremely successful. And then he gave it to his incompetent kids. And the franchise became a laughing stock. And they got lucky. They were in a great area.

And LeBron just wanted to play there. because if LeBron didn't want to play there, this franchise over the last decade plus, and every Laker fan would acknowledge this, would have been like the Sacramento Kings. And they got really lucky that however this played out, and I've read some different articles and some different podcasts with the children that they sold it to the Dodger group.

Because now they got a chance. They got real ownership that knows what they're doing. And I think all these places, you know, Arthur Blank, you know, clearly when he was younger, a pretty high-level business guy, made his fortune himself. But he hired the right guy once upon a time in Thomas Demetrov. And then ever since, I don't know if it was pressure to fire him, obviously they had a couple bad years.

And you start hiring the wrong people. The owner gets way older. He's way richer. He's just out of touch. And the franchise just falls apart. You know, obviously Woody Johnson, and they got no clue what they're doing. The Bidwell family, no clue what they're doing.

I think Mark Davis's heart's in the right place. He's trying, but it's just the same shit every year. It's crazy. Honestly, I feel bad for the fans. Really quick, I didn't really talk yesterday about the performance of Josh Allen, but talk about a guy that was zoned in. I do think we have to all universally agree that the best quarterback, like the best quarterback in the NFL is Josh Allen right now.

We saw Mahomes play Denver, and honestly just Mahomes throughout the season. Like Josh Allen's a better player. But the thing is, relative to some of his counterparts, like even watching Bow Nicks and Denver, that team's loaded. Josh Allen, like, who's Josh Allen's second best teammate? Cook? Dawkins the left tackle? Like, who's, like, could you name his five best teammates?

He doesn't have some loaded roster. That's well established. But I don't remember a guy. You know, part of what made, like, Cam Newton so special was physically there was never anyone quite like him. And I do think he's the greatest physical running quarterback we've ever seen. But as he got older, it took a toll on him, messed up his shoulder. And by the end of his career, like he used to have a howitzer. While he never was that accurate, he had this massive arm.

It's why when he had games where he was in a rhythm and he was on, he could look like the most dominant player in the NFL. obviously he had the one great season he won the MVP, but throughout his career, he would just have individual games where he could go toe to toe with anybody and just completely take over the game. And a lot of that had to do with like physically,

you could just run these quarterback runs for him that were just simply unstoppable. And Josh Allen has that. The thing that he also has is he can just turn into a thrower like he's Dan Marino, John Elway, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes. And he carries the franchise. guys. And that was a moment in that game against the Bucks. I mean, there were a couple times where it's

like the Bucks would score. It's like, God, the Bills backs a little against the wall. It did feel like that was the tipping point for their season if they lost. If they lose that game, it does feel like everything could unravel. Sean McDermott had to inactivate Kion Coleman because he slept through a morning meeting on Friday. And I told Coward this. When I saw that kind of showed you, I think if they were 8 and 1 and just rolling like we expected them to do at the beginning of the season, I don't think he's enacted. I think that's your classic. You call them into your room.

You kind of talk to him. Maybe you bench him for a series or two or maybe the first quarter. You kind of let the locker room handle it and you just kind of move on. But when all of a sudden you're getting your ass kicked by the Miami Dolphins, you kind of got to draw a line in the sand. You have to show Josh Allen. You have to show, you know, cook and Dawkins and some of your quills. poor guys, like, we're not going to tolerate this. I got your back because you guys are all working so hard.

But then I think Josh kind of sees that and go, God, we got some of these young guys we're bringing in. Don't quite know what's going on and aren't focused enough. And all of a sudden, we're playing the Bucks who have a bunch of injuries at home where we never lose. And they're scoring. They got some running back. Most of us have never heard of unless you're a Syracuse alum.

And all of a sudden, Sean Tucker's looking like he's Walter Payton meets Ladani and Tom. You're like, who is this guy? You're like, the bills are going to lose. And then Josh Allen just simply said no. Under no circumstances are we losing. And I've said this forever. The thing I like most about professional sports,

like undrafted free agent stories are cool. They're cute. Like, I watch for Tom Brady. I watch for C.D. Lamb. You know, I watch for Josh Allen. And that performance the other night was just, it was electric, dominant, and it had to happen because without him, I think all of a sudden their season could just start heading toward the toilet.

And he just refused to even give that, like, it wasn't even an option. He just simply said not on my watch. So props to Josh Allen. Couple quick college things. I want to start with this. James Franklin was announced as the head coach for the Virginia Tech Hokies this afternoon, maybe an hour or two before the Monday Night Football game.

And signs, you know, Virginia Tech has been desperately trying to sign him. They've been making offers. It felt like James Franklin was kind of, you know, waiting to see what else popped, what his other options were. I do think he would have other options, but he chose, you know, a team in the ACC, which, path to the playoffs and just to the conference championship is clearly easier than the one he just had where you had to beat Ohio State and now Oregon and if Michigan's good and especially the

SEC if he had taken the Auburn job or the Arkansas job where you have to deal with Bama, Georgia, Ole Miss or LSU, whoever's really good, obviously tougher pass. But part of the story was that Penn State owed him 40. $49 million. $49 million. And to facilitate this move, he gave them back $40 million. He negotiated a $9 million buyout to facilitate this move to Virginia Tech where obviously he's going to be making millions of dollars. The contract details are not yet out. Let's just assume $6, 7, $8 million, whatever. But Penn State was going to no matter what have to pay him $49 million. And I try to give, and most people have, I think,

and I was listening to this Charlie Munger book at the gym when I was doing some cardio. And he thought the number one key to success, whatever you do, find what you're passionate about and gravitate toward an industry that revolves around your passion because the point of difference you will have of just working harder because it won't feel like work. at times and you will just go above and beyond when you really like what you do.

And these coaches, I can't imagine, I don't know any human beings in the real world that would ever facilitate $40 million to give back to keep working when you would be paid $50 million not to work. But that's what happens. Now, obviously his financial situation, he's already made millions upon millions of dollars at Penn State. So money is not changing the way he lives and he's going to continue to make millions. But I don't believe many human beings would do that. I just simply don't. And I often think if I was in those shoes, no matter how passionate I was about my next

project, like, I just, and when he went on college game day, whatever, a month, a month ago, and I thought it was, you know, I don't know, I mean, it's part of his persona being a little bit of a bullshitter, being a little bit like of a politician. I mean, that's why he's such a great recruiter. a big personality. But I think some people label him as a little fake or whatever. And he went on game day and he said, you know, I'm paraphrasing here, but like my fire burns as strong as it ever has. And I want in and I want in now. I can't wait to coach again. I thought, you know, he's just saying the right things. He was not BSing because he jumped right back in. And my first

take is, it's Virginia Tech a good job. I mean, that place has been abysmal over the last decade plus. So to not only take a job, but to give $40 million back to go to a place that has been kind of embarrassingly bad. And to try to prove yourself, I got to give you respect because I can't imagine myself. I can't imagine most people in my life. Like, bro, I probably would have gone to the beach. Even if I eventually got back in in a year or two, I'm definitely taking a year off. It's being paid nine, ten million dollars to do nothing. Like, that's, to me, that's the American dream.

But clearly the American dream to James Franklin is coaching the Hokies against like NC State. So props to him. And then there's Lane Kiffin and we'll end on this. I think a lot of people in the SEC think Lane has kind of jumped the shark of now starting to toy with Ole Miss. And I would imagine most people that come. college football are going to have the messaging of we think Lane is gone.

My overall take in these situations because like, oh, this Lane messing with someone again, or this is Lane about to leave right when he's about to make the playoffs, I think it's easy for a lot of people. You know, the thing with football, especially if you become a great coach, right? We say this all the time about players. Like, hey, their shelf life's short. the average NFL career is three or four years. Even if you're a great player in the NFL,

maybe it's 11-year career, right? You do not get to play for 35 years, but you do as a coach. And you never know how powerful your quote-unquote brand or your star is how bright it's going to be. And right now, Lane Kiffin can't be any hotter. And he also has the experience of like, I've been the lowest.

I have been the guy when I got fired at the tarmac that everyone thought was the biggest clown in the country. That was unhireable. And now I have LSU and Florida and probably some NFL teams lined up for my services. So all you guys going, this is not right.

How am I supposed to handle this? There are certain situations in life that are just not easy to handle. It's just not. Even if it is the right move, even if it is like, hey, honey, this is not working out. We probably need to take a break. Well, when you finally get a divorce, it's usually pretty ugly. Right?

Like anyone that's ever been in a position of management that's had to fire someone or been fired, these situations are messy. Just like Lane Kiffin, like, listen, I don't even know if I want to leave Ole Miss, but wouldn't it be prudent to, I don't know, have my family and myself just look at LSU? What does the LSU Tigers have to offer? What does the University of Florida have to offer? It's so easy for everyone to say it's like, you're in the playoffs at Obis.

Why would you want to leave? Well, you probably have never had multiple universities that are willing to pay you $80 to $100 million that historically have been viewed as light year better jobs. Now, that might not be the case anymore. But my point is, I see a lot of people being very critical of Lane in this situation and historically he's brought a lot of this on himself

I don't think there's an easy way to handle this because I do think he's somewhat obligated given this opportunity to at least sniff around at least dip his toe in the water and just see what else is out there right? Because you could argue that this is as good as it gets at Ole Miss

it will never get better than this. Literally it never has. They never had back-to-back years of 10 plus wins. Definitely have never had three straight years of 10 plus wins, which they have right now. Now, what's going to suck is that if he does, and this stuff gets out

especially, I mean, it got out today. He flew his ex-wife and his brother's wife and some of their kids were in LSU. I think yesterday they were in Florida. So they're clearly playing the field a little bit. And if I was a betting man, I would imagine he leaves. I would guess

if I had to take an educated guess, I would guess these at the University of Florida, you know, I don't know the date. But I also have seen a lot of this. Like, Ole Miss is going to give him an ultimatum, a deadline, and if he doesn't sign it, they might not let him coach in the playoffs, which, where it feels inevitable when he beats Mississippi State here in a couple weeks. I actually think that's kind of crazy.

Like, you got in the business with this guy for a reason. Just a couple of years ago, he stayed loyal to you instead of leading for Auburn, which I think historically, every single coach alive would leave. leave Ole Miss for Auburn. I, if I was Old Miss, and maybe it's easy for me to say thousands of miles away in an office in Scottsdale,

I think I would let him coach. This is not 2012. All these guys are on a year-to-year contracts. Your players, your coaches, this is kind of a different world where it's just kind of driven by a mercenary mindset. And it's been a big part of Ole Miss's success. Part of the reason Lane Kiffin is crushed

is because of the portal. Isn't his nickname the Portal King? So it's like his running back that he just handed his belt to when they beat Florida and did the belt to ass. You know where that player was last year? Missouri. So, I mean, his starting quarterback is from Ferris State.

College football, this isn't 1978 Barry Switzer and Tom Osborne and Bobby Bowden. Those days are done. You're not spending four or five years with the same coaches, the same players. This is a mercenary sport. And Lane Kiffin's kind of treating it like it is. Like the players treat him.

Like he treats the players. That is the world we're in. I don't think we will ever see a situation, even like Nick, 17 years someplace. You know, Kirby's on year 10. Does he have 10 more? If you said right now, John, would you bet $10,000? Does Kirby coach 10 more years of Georgia?

I would bet against it. I would bet against it. Not because it's not going well. He's kicking ass and taking names, but it's just not usually the way things work. It really is it. Hell, Nick Sabin, even in the peak of the Bama dynasty, almost went to Texas.

Like, I think there were reports. He was really close to accepting at the time was like 10 years, $100 million offer. I forget. This is probably like 2016, 15, 17 range. And I think some people say he verbally accepted. And then he kind of got cold feet and stayed with Alabama and the rest is history. But that's usually the way these guys are wired.

So I just think a lot of people are shitting on lane. There's no easy way to handle these situations. But I think it's so easy for those of us that have never been in a situation where you are the number one guy in your industry. Think about that. You are the number one guy in your industry. It's like you are the Tom Brady. You all are the Michael Jackson. You are the, pick the industry, you are the Bezos.

You are the number one AI coder that they're all lined up to give $500 million to. That's usually one person. And Lane Kiffin is sitting in that seat right now. So there's no easy way to navigate it. And I can't watch the way this all plays out. I do need to tell you about my friends, my partners, the official ticketing app of this podcast game time. and do you want to go to one of these games? Monday night football tomorrow is in Vegas.

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We'll start with Matthew. Like the Sunday Night recap. Question for the back. Do you think the top coaches are underpaid? Thinking about from a job like the Patriots, the Bears, and the Broncos this year, whatever they are paying their coaches, they're getting a discount. Look what Harbaugh did with the charge. Chargers last year. Look what Schottenheimer is doing with the banged up. I think you mean

Shanahan, but I know what you mean, 49ers. And some of the top college coaches that are bringing in millions for the university are the top 15% of coaches underpaid when you think about it. And if an owner goes cheap on a coach again, they are to blame when the teams collapse. Been saying it forever. Let's use Andy as an example, right? He's been the most successful over the last six or seven years. Obviously this year, down year for their standards. But five, six. Super Bowl six years, the amount of home games they've had, they've hosted the AFC championship game every year beside the one where they play the Ravens. And they've won the division every year.

So the amount of money and equity he's made his owner, the equivalent in the private sector of companies worth billions of dollars, you know, these CEOs of companies, and that's what Coach Reed is. You know, Patrick Mahomes is compensated, right, for his skills, $450 million contract. And as that rolls over, he'll get more guaranteed money. So he's going to make hundreds of hundreds of millions of dollars playing for the Chiefs. And then on top of that, what he's going to make off the field. Well, if Coachree, let's just say he's making $15 million a year, maybe it's 18.

You could argue the going rate should be double that. The problem is it's all based on what your position in other places are making. And it's like, well, the highest paid coach is making 17. Well, look, I don't care. look at the real world and my job should be paying the value I bring to you, the stability I bring to the organization, I'd argue $40 million. Seriously. I mean, the 49ers were dead when Kyle got there. He's taking him to multiple Super Bowls, a ton of NFC championship games. They'll probably go back to the playoffs this year. What value is that to Jed York? It lives in Silicon Valley. I mean, Elon just signed a trillion dollar pay package. Now, he's got to.

got to hit incentives and it'll probably never make a trillion dollars. But like these CEOs and presidents of these big companies make a ton. It's not like these coaches get any equity in the team, right? And the players, the high-end players are making so much money, rightfully so. I do think the top coaches are definitely underpaid. I think Ben Johnson, I think he's the Midwest, Kyle Shanahan. I love everything Ben Johnson stands for. Like, serious kind of old school for being a younger guy. and loves to run the ball. Well, guess what? That translates in freezing cold temperatures.

So, if I'm a Bears fan, I'm pretty fired up. How often does strength of schedule get factored into analyzing who the best teams are in the NFL? Do you think some of the teams get overinflated wind totals due to playing easier schedules? I'm specifically thinking of the NFC North. Last year, the NFC West this year. Vikings looked like world beaters last year, but they also played the AFC South. Same with the NFC West this year. I definitely think it gets factored in.

But you also got a factor, like, for example, the 49ers are going to win 10 games. Let's just assume where we sit here right now. They're 7 and 4. If they had a tough schedule with their injuries, they're probably winning 7 or 8. We all acknowledge that. But you can go, well, Seattle and the Rams,

because of the divisions that they've drawn, the AFC and NFC South, are going to have maybe an inflated win total of 13 or 14 wins, but we acknowledge they're really good, right? When healthy, and those teams are healthy right now, are high-end teams, right, especially the Rams. Like, the Rams also have a history of beating good people. I think sometimes, like, with a one-year wonder, like, let's use the Viking situation.

I think they could be in major trouble. I mean, their quarterback situation is an unmitigated disaster. There's no way around it, right? Let's face it. Let's use it. with Colin. I give two examples. The 49ers are the luckiest team of all time.

They traded three first round picks for a guy that couldn't play and they ended up going with their seventh round pick who now is on a $50 million year contract. Who just actually coming off the injury. Purdy was good yesterday. But that's not normal. Usually when you make a quarterback mistake, you're screwed.

Chris Bauer would be the first to tell you. We're very lucky this Daniel Jones thing is working out the way it is. because without it, we'd have major, major problems. And it looks a huge part of quarterbacks, right? Like, Jason Light be the first to tell you, when we gave $4 million to Baker Mayfield, whatever, three or four years ago, we didn't expect it to turn out the way it's turned out.

So it's part of life. Sometimes you get into business with someone and it booms, right? And I think that it's pretty rare, though, with quarterback. It happens at a lot of random positions. Like Zach Bond goes from, like, role player, special teams guy to all pro. That has happened countless times throughout the NFL.

Mike Vravel, couldn't get on the field for the Steelers, goes to the Patriots with Belichick and becomes a star. Right? It's much more normal. Lineback or a slot receiver, at guard, right, safety. It's very rare a quarterback, also because the premium you would pay for a good quarterback.

So I definitely think we talk a lot about the schedule, but you can have an easy schedule and win a lot of games, and we go that team's pretty good. You can also have an easy schedule and win a lot of games. I don't know, right? So I think we do a pretty good job at factoring that in nowadays. Massive fan.

I like this guy. You always provide excellent insight. This guy's smart. Do you think the buck should move off Todd at the end of the year? You don't necessarily have to fire him, but move him in the front office and bring in new blood. He lacks intensity and is often outcoach. His unit, the defense, is usually a treas.

and big games. I think they should have promoted Liam last year, but at this point, just bringing the best offensive coach and clean house. I think it's easy to say, and I think we kind of over-analyzed Todd, who I was around for a little bit in Philadelphia. He's, like, his personality is his personality.

Like, you don't need to be, like, Andy Ree's not a yeller and a screamer. Like, not everyone has to be some crazy, Sean McVeigh, right? I do think it's fair though to question He is a defensive guy Now they've had some injuries I do think when they're fully healthy They're pretty good on defense But

It's not as easy to go Well we should have fired him last year for Liam Cohen That happens all the time And that guy never gets fired I mean it happens all the time Throughout just like the last 25 years I'm like God we should have fired that guy And just made Sean Payton the coach

No one ever does that ever You know so it's like I have like I understand. Like I don't even think that's a logical scenario to play out because it's, you don't go to the playoffs back to back years and just get shit can for Liam Cohen who's never been a head coach.

Hell, pretty sure he's only called plays in the NFL. That was his first year calling plays. So it'd be a pretty bold move. But yeah, looking back, I think if you could choose, Liam's, I mean, they've had some, the game against the Texans, obviously was desperate, but I think it's fair to say, Liam Cohen looks pretty good. So yeah, I think in this hypothetical world, if you could do a redo, like it's easy to say now,

I just think that Jason Light's one of the best GMs in the league. Your team's going to have a lot of talent when healthy moving forward. And I think the question mark, also Jason Light and the GM, like ultimately to extend a coach, you know, I went on that rant about trades when it's like, well, the ownership has to, no, I mean, a trade idea is the coach. an extension with a coach or a GM, like that is on ownership. How come it's okay for teams to squeak out a win like the Broncos, how they win always last minute and win ugly?

But the Eagles win ugly and the sky is falling. Well, your standards higher in Philadelphia. You've been to two Super Bowls in the last three years. You are the defending champs. You blasted the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. You obviously Washington, you treated them like, you know, your little brother in the NFC championship. game and the best team in your division by a country mile, and you're paying a lot of money

for the team. So the standard is really, really high, right? No different than the Chiefs. We were nitpicking the Chiefs last year. They were en route to 15 and 2 in the number one overall seat. It's like, oh, they can't, they can barely win these games. That's part of the deal. When you're the best, like, you get nitpicked, right? Fair or not. But at the end of the day, you're 8 and 2, who cares? Your offense isn't that good. It doesn't matter. The Chief's offense wasn't wasn't that good last year either. Didn't matter. If your defense's going to play like this,

you got a pretty good chance to go back to the Super Bowl, especially if you can get home field. The Lions can't play outdoors. Are the Packers going to beat you? No chance. The 49ers, all their players were injured. Sam Darnold's going to go into Philadelphia and beat you and Vic Fangio? How hard time seeing that?

I guess the Rams could. The Rams are the one team that their weakness is the secondary, and your problem is your passing game doesn't really work. So I think that would be the one team that would make me nervous if I was an Eagles fan. But 8 and 2 were the defending champs. We're going to like our chances to go back. So I'd feel pretty good about it. I want your take on my Lions.

Do you think we can ever really win a Super Bowl with Jared Goff? I like him. But I can't unsee the fact that when you put him outside in 35 degree weather, he looks completely out of sorts. He's wearing two gloves and a turtleneck like he's in fucking elastic. Also, the two gloves. I'm sorry, you wear two gloves. Like, it's hard for me.

I think someone texting me last night, did Peyton Manning when he got older, maybe when he was younger? I need to Google that. Did he wear two gloves against the Patriots in a couple of those games? Obviously, Goff, one of the Knoxes, he's got smaller hands. But I guess the question is, also, if you feel any sort of pressure, he looks shook the entire game, the John Morton situation is disaster, our window close with Ben Johnson and when he left.

I think you could win a Super Bowl if your team is healthy and you're hosting games in Detroit. Is Jared Goff going to go on the road to Philadelphia, to Green Bay, and win games? Probably not. Could he go on the road to L.A. in the dome and win a game? Yes. Could he go on the road to Seattle in a driving rainstorm and win a game?

Probably not. So weather is a major factor with him. But you guys playing a dome. And last year you lost it home. And he didn't play well. So he's not a perfect player. Right. He's a really, he's like the best version of Kirk Cousins.

Right. But the problem with Kurt Cousins is once you start hitting him, Kirk Cousins, you know, is won a bunch of games. When, not this version, but when he was younger, right? But you start hitting him, there's no. No ad lib. That's the one thing that all these quarterbacks have. Like if you just look at like the top 15 quarterbacks, they all can move and throw. Some do it better, you know, Lamar, Josh.

But like the Herberts, the Mahomes, even like Purdy. You know, Dak, who I'm recording this before Monday Night Football, is obviously with some of the injuries, not the same athlete. I got to have you be able to move and throw. If you can't move and throw, I'm kind of out on you. Now, Jared Goff is a good pocket quarterback, but he's really really. benefited your offensive line was elite. And now your offensive line's not quite as good.

Laporta's out. He can't, like, he's not a guy that can just carry the operation. And I think a huge part of that is, one, his limitations, his limitations, but he brings nothing to the table with, like, extending place. And then the cold weather, like, I mentioned this on Sunday night, it is 100% a thing. From California, we do not like cold weather, because we're not used to it. and you go, well, he's lived in Detroit now several years. True, but I would imagine that once it gets cold,

they practice inside, and obviously they play inside. And then a lot of their games, all the home games, and even the Minnesota game, is inside. If you remember a couple years ago, Aaron Rogers' last game in Green Bay, golf actually played pretty well outside in that Green Bay game that was pretty cold. Do you think the Patriots will do well in the playoffs,

assuming we win the division? Well, if you win the division, I would say you have, I mean, a pretty decent chance, maybe around 50% to be the number one seat. I mean, winning the division for you is probably 14 wins. Now, I don't exactly know how the tiebreakers would go. Let's just say, in a hypothetical world, you, Denver and Indy are all 13 and 4. Let's say the bills too. You guys are all 13 and 4, but you win the division, the bills don't.

So it's just between, I don't know how the tiebreakers would work. I think when it's a three team, it goes to, like, conference. Again, we're a little far away from that right now, but there's a big difference. That number one seed, you just have to win two games. So if you just win one, you're in the AFC championship game at home. Now, if you've got to win three, that gets a little more difficult, especially if in, like, the first round, you know, you're playing.

It also depends who you're playing. Like, would I like the Patriots versus the Jags? Yeah, I like your shot. Patriots first, the Colts? Like, yeah, I think you'd have a decent shot. but if you get like the two seed and let's say the seven seed is the chiefs or the Texans, it's a pretty tough defense for Drake. So it's like it would be possible for you to lose in the first round.

With Miles Garrett having another huge sack day against the Raven Sunday, he has 15 total sacks and it's about to be week 12. Assuming he stays healthy, is he a lock for the defensive player of the year? I'm bad with awards. Sometimes I guess I don't look at them like the people that vote on them. I think it's been pretty clear. He's the best defensive player in the league for, I don't know, going on five-ish years ever since Aaron Donald.

I guess Aaron Donald's been, he quit a couple years. And even that last year wasn't quite peak Aaron Donald. But it basically went for a decent long stretch. It was like Cleo and Aaron Donald were pretty equal. then Aaron Donald was like clearly the best player and then now for the 2020 he's like Miles Garris the best player when they had the joint practice

this training camp against the Eagles and Jordan Milato was like the entire offensive line was in the film room and we were just laughing like is this guy human what am I supposed to do there are certain ways certain players talk about other players

where you just go this guy's in a different there's a reason that every guy in their 50s and 60s that you see on Instagram that played in the NBA in the 80s and 90s that tell a story about Michael Jordan they all have a consistent theme.

They talk about them like a mythological figure. Miles Garrett is clearly the best defensive player. So I thought Cleveland should have traded them. I mean, it's like you're losing all these games. You could have traded them. What would the Lions or the Eagles or the Packers, because you'd rather have Miles Garrett than Michael Parsons,

what would they have traded for, Miles Garrett. Now, he's older than Micah, but you're at minimum getting like three elite years, like Hall of Fame dominant years. And if you look at Reggie White, who signed with the Packers, I think like 31, 32 years old, went on to have like a Hall of Fame career with the Packers. So if you go, hey, if we take five years, would you trade two ones, two twos and like a player? I just think they got to regret that one. Now, I think if you're a fan of not the Eagles, it does feel like the Eagles would have ended up with them.

So if you aren't an Eagles fan, maybe you're like, yeah, I'm glad they kept them. I wouldn't want to see them on it. Because hell, we're seeing the Eagles with Jordan with Phillips. You're like, imagine that if that was Miles Garrett. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news.

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They're still on the same feed, so I was curious. Yeah, it's like a different business entity, right? My podcast is separate for his podcast. Like, where I might have a, there are people on the volume that have, again, I'm not going to say the name of this sponsor because I have a sponsor in the same category that is a different company. And we will do business. I mean, I, Jerry Jones will.

once asked, I remember they said, why did you, why did you name the stadium AT&T? And he said, because they offered, I forget the numbers, like, you know, 10 years, $250 million. I'm a horror. I mean, we're a businessman. I mean, that's people offer more money. That's why we take them. And the other thing is, the zone was supposed to come on my podcast, maybe a couple years ago.

We started talking to them, and they sent me a bunch, and I've been, I've used the product. Like, I, I, I, I, when I talk about most of this stuff, especially our big sponsors, like game time, every event, whether it's a concert or a game I've been to over the last two years, I have used game time. Just like these pouches, I'm sucking them down for really, I mean, consistently now a while. I'm pretty sure I got a huge package from them. I don't know if it was late, 2003 or early 2024. Like, I'm pretty adamant. I try to work with things that I use because it makes it pretty easy. easy to sell. But we can sell, like, I'm open for business on this podcast, regardless

what a category that Colin might have, unless it gets sold, like Hard Rock Bet gets sold on throughout the shows, right? So that's, that's just one that's kind of getting an umbrella treatment, but not every advertiser is looking for that. Some just rightfully sell, like, I don't get BMW ads. Now, granted, I don't drive a BMW, but, you know, Colin advertising with stuff that I would no problem kind of in the business

we're looking for a new car for but it has to be big though hope everything as well but what are your thoughts about players spitting on each other since when did this start being cool do you feel Jamar Chase should be fined or suspended

I've always defended when they get into it with the ref and get technicals and basketball or get a personal foul penalty in football for like screaming obscenities. Like this is, this is their livelihood. And if it fails, they will get cut. They will get put on the unemployment line.

And that's my always issues with officiating. I never feel like they get thrown to the unemployment line. I feel like they can screw up. I saw this clip. I don't know when it was from probably this weekend. The Utah Jazz got a technical foul because a guy fell on, you know, on the court. So like the ball, two ball boys ran up with kind of their swifter, you know, the towel thing to take away all the sweat from the floor. And the jazz got a tech.

And their coach went bananas. He said, did we just get a technical for delay of game? Because the ball boys came out to dry the floor in Mark Davis, who is a complete clown. I mean, some of these officials in the NBA, no wonder the DOJ is all over the NBA's ass. I mean, talk about shady shit. It's been going on forever. But that was, I would turn these people into the authorities. Like, something doesn't add up there.

But if, Draymond's got a lot of these, right? Listen, Draymond deserves a lot of technical fouls when he's hitting people in the throat or kicking their, you know, sternum or whatever. But if I just yell swear words at you, I'm sorry that this is, there's a lot of money in the line for all this stuff. This is not high school football. This is not, you know, junior high softball. We're not teaching life.

lessons here. There are no life lessons being taught in professional sports. So swearing, I hate when people get in trouble for that. To me, the spitting thing is like, I don't even, I don't even know how to categorize it. It should be an auto suspension. If you spit on another player from another team, like, to me, the things that people get fined for, like, you know, he tackled him a little hard. he hip drop tackled I saw someone got a hip drop tackle and it definitely was not a hip drop tackle I'm like no it's just a tackle

you should if I haven't even I refuse like some of these stories I just don't have the mental capacity for so I didn't like see the breakdown of the video but I did see a headline it's pretty clear that the replay shows him spitting on him

and if Jamar Chase spitting on Jalen Ramsey like he should get to spend the next game no pay like that's just that that that cannot be tolerated And I would say the same thing, that's any level of football, whether it's college, whether it's junior peewees, whether it's high school football. You spit on another person, you just get spit it. Like, I'm sorry. Even it's like, hey, man, I didn't mean to.

My emotions got the best. Yes, called emotional control. And if you don't have it, you get penalized for it. So, like, I have no problem being a little over, overaggressive when it comes to penalizing, spitting on another player on an opposing team. What do you think is wrong with the Chiefs? Lifelong fan, live in Kansas City. Despite my profile pick, I'm 27, that's my dad. I think it's my homes.

I can't really say this to my friends, but like, dude, has not been clutch at all this year. And the defense has picked us up for two years, so I'm not blaming them. It just has not been coming through. Do you agree? Also, if you watch the game, he overthrows every deep ball.

He's been overthrowing him for a while. I feel like his deep ball accuracy has been off now, even going back to last. year, but I'm with the overthrow's worthy. He just, he misses some throws now. And the throw that he, the pick he had in the end zone, he wasn't good. I mean, he just, it's okay to be like, he wasn't that good. But he, here's a reality.

Like, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson have been objectively better than him the last couple years, right? Lamar had that stretch, was clearly better. And Josh Allen is a better player right now. But he's got him in the playoffs. So it's like when it's all mattered, And both those guys have had their opportunities and they could not get it done. So he's had that over them.

And he benefits a lot from fantastic coaching. But yeah, he can be a little hit or miss at times. And yesterday was not his finest hour. Had some throws that were there to be made and did not make him. And Bo did. Now, I'm not going to write him off. And I'm a big believer in when you build up a resume, some people get the benefit of the doubt. but he's had some moments over the last couple years

that have been a little up and down. He also comes through at times, but he's at some killer moments. And yesterday, he had some killer moments. Which is crazy because the two guys that really came to play, I mean, Kelsey and Chris Jones were elite. It's like, hey, we got three Hall of Famers on this team, right? Travis Kelsey, Patrick Mahomes, and Chris Jones.

Two of them showed up to kick ass and take names. Two of them showed up. My team needs me. with this game our season feels on the line and Patrick yeah he's just he can be a little off I'm with you the deep ball accuracy

when it comes to to worthy it's you know Bo Nix and again Bo Nix does not have the resume or the equity built up to get the benefit of the doubt so he misses him we crush him but 29 to 45 averaging six yards an attempt

had the one awful interception He has three sacks Now part of that is they're one of the best pass racing teams ever But he also gets out of a lot of sacks Uh here's who he's, you know, obviously Kelsey has a huge game You know, Thornton hit on the one big pass Hollywood saw you take four for 40 Where she rice six for 40

Like a little bit more explosion He just missed a couple targets there I mean they, yeah, just They need to be better I don't know what to tell you I've listened to your comments about Connell losing the locker room due to his commitment to JJ. Let me say this again.

I don't think he's losing the locker room because his commitment to JJ. One, they don't have any other options. I just think that you've got to be very careful how you treat a scrub quarterback when you have established players. It can be a tricky situation. I think I might have said that, again, heat of the moment a couple weeks ago. I just think you've got to be careful that you got a lot of guys that. are big-time players going, the ship is going down and we're letting this guy steer it. Now, it's, there's no other options, right?

There is no other guy to go to. Forget what school of the backup quarterback went to, but JJ's going to play. I just, I do think it's a very tricky situation for any coach, let alone Kevin O'Connell. The Vikings haven't looked the same since the week 18 Lions game. earlier that day, reports claim the teams wanted to trade for KOC. I wouldn't say reporters, I would say Jay Glazer put that out there. And again, I mean, Jay is a reporter, but it was one individual whose name carries a lot of weight and said, teams are lining up to trade for Kevin O'Connell.

It felt like his agent was trying to drive up the price for O'Connell's upcoming extension. It rubbed me the wrong way at the time, and I wonder if you think this could have a lasting effect in the locker room. it's tough because this is a hard part about football college the pros everyone players and coaches in a weird way are kind of out for themselves but we all got to be arm and arm in this team environment

right but ultimately the coordinator's telling you about all this the moment he gets a better opportunity to become a head coach he's leaving right a player ultimately if they're going into a free agency year you realize like this team's not able to pay me so I'm looking for my next destination and Kevin O'Connell, I don't know if it was the Ziggy Wolf being cheap

or they thought that they were being low-balled, but they clearly tried to drive up a market, which should be his agent's prerogative, trying to get his coach paid. And the media just loves the guy. And I've never met him. I don't know the guy, never had a conversation with him. Seems like a great guy, right?

I do think he has some flaws as a coach. And just based on his resume, he's had two playoff games for he was the favorite and he lost them both. Now you can give me all the excuses you want. I mean, that's just a fact. So it's not like you're dealing with a guy. Well, it's like, yeah, he's won four playoff games. So listen, I mean, this guy deserves a big contract.

And I think that story, which Jay got, I'm not trying to source guests, but it's pretty clear that it was coming from O'Connell's side. Like, wait, this guy under contract, these teams, no, if we said like, hey, we're not going to be able to come to a deal with the Vikings, then teams will trade for him, sure. But that was never going to happen. Like the Vikings weren't going to let him leave. He just wanted more money, which, listen, I'm pro money, so I get it.

But he's also in the locker room preaching, team, accountability, arm and armed, like every coach. It's like, bro, you're fucking just trying to get an extra couple million dollars a year. You're no different than any of us. So you're telling us to not worry about contracts and you're consumed with it too. I just think coaches as general, and I'm not trying to just point the finger at O'Connell in this situation. can be very hypocritical in these deals. And I think the more and more of these players now with NIL, these guys are going to get more and more numb to money and be like,

shut up, man. Just give us the game plan, we'll play our ass off, and we'll try to win. So, I just, hey, call some runs. Call some runs. I think they're a bigger issue about the situation with its contract last year is J.J. McCarthy. They drafted a player who they put all their chips in the middle of the table on, and it's backfired.

I mean, even the most rose-colored glasses Vikings fan would have to admit yesterday was an alarming, crazy experience. And the JJ, in his limited sample size this year, has obviously been a roller coaster ride more bad than good. But yesterday was like, what? I even saw Dan Orlovsky. It was like the craziest part about a lot of these passes. It's one thing, it's like, hey, just missing some high.

Like, he is missing bikes. several yards. I mean, there was the one on the out route that he overthrew Jefferson where the Bears DB, you know, is probably 15 feet away from, like, catches it. Behind him, you're like, oh, my God, this is, and clearly it's in his head, he's lost his confidence, but this is, it's not one of those where, hey, we just, I'm hitting a bad slice, just go to the driving range for the next month, and we'll just work through it. It's like, no, no, you got another game this week.

They don't stop. You got more games. And it's really hard. Did Brady say this yesterday? I heard someone say this. It's hard to throw your way out of a slump. You know, because it's all mental. It's not like you're going to change his mechanics.

He is, whatever's going on is leading to these balls flying all over the map. And really not even close. Can we just admit that the concussion protocol in the NFL is out of hand? It costs the Browns the football game the day, as they were a complete control at 16 to 3. When Gabriel went out with a concussion and then they didn't score again with a third stringer Sanders. Somehow, every time a player hits their head, they have a concussion.

And they do not come back into the game and then are held out the following game. How is this even possible? If they have a concussion, why are they able to come back and then play two games later? So, therefore, they can't get CTE by being held out one game? It's completely ridiculous. Please help us understand.

How is Atlanta not firing their coach? Every time, I'll talk about Atlanta later. On the concussion thing, I think the NFL is clearly very sensitive after getting sued and losing because they didn't give a shit. Just like the NFL was no different. In high school football, anytime we got our bells wrong, you were just told like, shake it off. That's how football used to be.

And it changed when they got the lawsuits, the CTE, so they are just trying to follow. I said this forever about weed and drugs. Do you think the owners really care if you do drugs or smoked weed in 1997? You don't think half the owners are smoking weed on a nightly basis? It was about insurance. It was about the coverage. So they had to follow these rules for their business model.

It wasn't because they were taking some moral stance. Maybe some guys did, but most of them didn't give a year. you know what. I think the same thing for concussion. They're just trying to mitigate their risks of getting sued. Now, I also think that the reason the concussion protocol, it's about showing symptoms. So if you're still showing symptoms, they will not let you out. I think, you know, it's not like I've read that many studies,

but clearly you are more likely to have another concussion once you've had a concussion. So if you do not pass the protocol and they put you back, you're more likely to have. have them. Look at Tuah. No, it doesn't mean you go the rest of a career and never have another one again. But like Dylan Gabriel, once he gets, shows the signs, they don't let him back in the game. It's

really that simple. I mean, it's we could argue over the you know, the outcome of it all. Like, is it actually doing that much? Probably not, right? Because ultimately if I get a concussion and you hold me out a couple games and then I come back and two weeks later I get another

concussion, it's like, well, This is a pretty bad outcome. But again, these guys, no one's forcing these people to do it. It's like the Tua thing. He does not need to play. He could or just quit. Now, he's quitting when you're making $40, $50 million a year. Newsflash, nobody.

It's also fun to play football. Like, I'm 27. What else am I going to do? So I think they're kind of in a tough spot. They're trying to do the right thing. There is no perfect answer. And, like, the players have a lot of juice too. It's not like the teams are in full control, right?

It's like, well, you're out for the year. NFLPA would sue. Should the Lions consider moving off golf? Maybe an overreaction to the Philly loss, but he was horrendous. He's a very good quarterback when things are going right, and the weather is fine. I just don't see the Lions reaching their ultimate goal. I think it's an easy thing to bring up, but I'm not sure what your other options are. Who are you finding and who are you getting that is even remotely close to as good as him?

Now, should you be in the market of like drafting guy in the second or third round? I got no issue with that. But the likelihood on getting a second rounder that just becomes a starter, the percentages are pretty low. It's 50, 50 in like the top 15. It's much lower than that once you get out of the first round, right? And once you move down the rounds, it gets really, really low. And just because you're a starter doesn't mean you're good.

So the likelihood that you're going to be better than Jared Gough, who has some flaws, but when his career's over, what's it going to be a six-time pro-bowler? So you're going to find a guy in the third round that just ever makes a pro bowl. History would say that's extremely unlikely. So they're just in a tough spot. They're kind of, it feels like a little bit stuck. Watching the snooze fest of the Lions and the Eagles.

Lions stopped the Eagles on a fourth and one push and get the ball at the Eagles 30 to start the drive with three minutes left down 10. With three timeouts. would a team ever immediately kick a field goal and then give the ball back with three timeouts and the two-minute warning? I thought about this the moment they stopped, the Eagles on the tush-bush. Now, here's the thing.

Dan Campbell wasn't kicking field goals all game long. He was clearly hesitant to do it. But you could have justified, especially, I mean, if he hits it, you're in pretty good shape. Again, your defense is going to get a stop. That's the bigger question. But it propped up in my mind. Should you just kick a field goal?

immediately, especially if you have a lot of faith in your kicker, which their kickers clearly pretty good. I think I wouldn't have had an issue with it because if you're trying to go 30 yards with a quarterback who has not played well, all of a sudden you waste a minute and a half and it's like, okay, we got three timeouts, but we ended up kicking a field goal anyway and there's a buck 20 on the clock. So, yeah, I mean, I don't think it would have been that crazy if they would have done that. sitting here after the Lions lost and I'm absolutely gutted.

I don't understand how a team like Philly loaded with weapons and high-priced players everywhere are able to continue to get massive defensive help in trades. Why the hell doesn't Brad Holmes even make any moves or our cap situation is much worse than Philly? It seems like an excuse is always, quote, the future, but Philly's been dominating and trading for years. Well, two things.

one, their owner front loads a lot of these contracts. So they're signing bonuses and money that they can amortize over the course of the contract is because the owner is spending a lot of cash. So if I type in cash spent on NFL teams last four years, the... Let me just see this because it showed... 2025. The Eagles were really high, and Detroit just isn't as high.

So Philly, Minnesota's high this year. Damn. So, like next year. You guys are high too, actually. This isn't the list. I'm looking for the last couple years. I don't know how I'm going to find it. Not a great podcast here.

I want to have the information. But I think over the course of the last four years, like 21, 22, 23, and 24. the only team that spent more actual cash was the Cleveland Browns in relation to the Philadelphia Eagles. And the 49ers are right there too. Their owners are spending huge amounts of guaranteed money and big upfront signing bonuses

where then they can kind of spread it throughout the cap. I also think this. Howie has a lot of equity. And one, his nature, he's much more like an NBA or baseball GM where he's numb to moves. Most football guys are very reluctant to make big splashes

around the trade deadline, how he does not give a shit. So his capacity for risk is in a different world than the overwhelming percentage of GMs. But especially Brad Holmes is kind of showing this.

Like that's not really their M up. Like how he's going to out trade him more often than not because he's willing to do riskier things. and I think it's and I've said this before most GMs especially when you're in a job that like he's getting fired you just go well we got we got a long runway here

the Eagles do not think long runways like the Eagles just won a Super Bowl I know I spent so many hours and so many days around this guy that they live every single day like like it's very serious so week 10 to them

the year after winning a Super Bowl is no different than week 10 to them three years ago after losing in the first round. They emphasize, you know, and starts with Howie, how important winning every single year is. And they have the support from their owner. So I just think most teams are like that. Like this, let's face it, these last couple years for the Lions is pretty incredible for their ownership.

Do you see the face on Jeffrey Lurie? a couple, was it the Monday night game against the Packers? I mean, they're playing Monday night. Their team, that game going in there, six and two. They're the defending champs. And it's whatever the score was, seven to three. I mean, it was a hard game to watch. He looked like he was being forced to get a colonoscopy or something.

It's like, Jeffrey, your franchise is worth like $8 billion. You have a Super Bowl ring on your finger. And he was pissed off. He was legitimately pissed off, especially because he lacks offense. He wants to score points. That's the thing. Howie doesn't mind.

He'd win a Super Bowl anyway, or any different, you know, if they're the worst offense, but a great defense, they win the Super Bowl. Jeffrey wants to pass and score points. Like, that's what he likes. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what?

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app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Does Cam Ward have the worst supporting cast of all time? Right now the Titans have the number one ranked most difficult schedule this season with Mike McCoy coaching, and and the rest of Brian Callahan's disaster coaching staff still around,

a quarterback coach Colin plays, which obviously is not going well. On top of all that, he's throwing to Van Jefferson, Mason Kinsney, and two fourth-round rookies as the starting wide receiver court. He's playing the NFL's number one toughest schedule with a practice squad wide receiver and an interim head coach. He's got to be better, but it's hard to judge him. Yeah, it's a disastrous situation. there's really no way around it.

This notion when I see, I saw Bruce Feldman throw out that, like, Lane Kiffin would be interested in the Titans. Lane Kiffin makes $11 million. The Titans were just paying Brian Callahan $3 million. So, one, they'd have to almost 4x the amount they pay a coach. And two, the team is absolutely abysmal. I'd be lying if I said I've watched much Titans over the last month. They are, and every time I looked over playing the Texans, they are.

they're a terrible product. Just putting my consumer hat on, just as someone, if I was doing something else for a living and just lover of football, they are someone you would just not watch. Like, if you like baseball or basketball or whatever sport, like there are certain teams, like if

you said, hey, what's your opinion on Dionne Sanders in Colorado this year? I don't have one. I haven't watched a snap. I don't have time to watch awful football on Saturdays when there's good football on. Right? They're an interesting story when they have NFL players and are going to win eight, nine games.

But if you think I wasn't watching Colorado over the last couple decades when they sucked, why am I going to watch them now with three or four wins? They're an unwatchable team. No different. The Titans, some of these teams are just, if you're going to win three, four games, the consumer's not going to consume you. So the GM, Borgonzi and Brinker, the Packer guy who's above him, they got a lot to do.

I like Cam Ward in Miami, but he's not good enough to overcome just abysmal talent surrounding him. No chance. And obviously, they're coaching him. Mike McCoy. Now, granted, he's the head coach because they fired the guy. But I just think the Titans, it's sad. Nashville's one of my favorite cities in America. And they're going to be really, really bad for a long time.

I mean, really bad. because also their division's not bad, right? If the Colts just get solid quarterback played, they're going to be pretty competitive these next couple years. The Texans defense is elite. I mean, elite. The Jags are going to win 10-11 games. The Titans, when you go back-to-back with the number one overall pick,

and not because the Bears did it one year, but it was because they traded. When you truly go back-to-back years having the number one overall pick, it's it's pretty ugly it's hard to do okay two more questions I've recently been learning more about the sport of rugby due to Netflix show

rugged rugby on the South Korean teams it made me think why isn't the sport more popular over here since it's similar to football also what position groups do you think specific players in the NFL would excel at the sport well all my college roommates

played rugby at Cal Poly. So I used to go to games, and my Maria's uncle played rugby at St. Mary's, which is a, you know, they have a pretty good basketball schools where Deladova went to college. Randy Bennett is their basketball coach.

But their rugby team is now currently one of, if not the best college rugby programs in the country. They're better than Cal that historically was really good. So I used to watch all these teams play, and obviously I used to think about it how good so-and-so player would be at rugby. For example, when I was in college, if you put Ladani and Tomlinson,

any elite running back would dominate on the wings at rugby. You know, Alvin Kamara, Saquan Parkley, right? Derek Henry would probably be like a hybrid rug. I don't even know what position he would play, but he would be dominant. Any linebacker would be, it'd be, incredible, especially the tall, long ones, like an Erlocker or a Keeckley. I think rugby's problem is we love football here.

And we get our rocks off from a physical standpoint with tackling, with football and pads. And there's an element of rugby where it's like it's almost more dangerous in the sense because none of these guys are wearing pads and they're full speed running at each other. but it just doesn't resonate here. You know, my dad and his dad loved a fish. I mean, my dad loved a fish. He was, he liked fly fishing probably more or as much as I like football or whatever.

Like loved it. And they used to go to New Zealand, you know, around wintertime for a couple weeks and going. His dad would take him on like fly fishing trips. You know, my grandpa Woody was retired. He loved, Woody loved the outdoors. Love duck hunting, love fishing. a bit conservative, ironically, like redneck guy, but he was a professor at Cal Berkeley, probably one of the rare Republican professors at Cal in the history of the university.

But again, it wasn't that weird in like the 70s and 80s, people just got along. But so he used to always talk and bring me back gear of like the all blacks. I just think we have the Green Bay Packers. We have the Dallas Cowboys. You know, we have Alabama. So football is so big that it's hard for rugby. You know, the reason UFC has really gained ground is because boxing kind of fell off. And UFC is well run.

If football was a disaster, then other sports, like a rugby, could fill our physical cup. But we don't really need it because football is on all day Saturday, all day Sunday, Thursday night, Monday night, Friday night. It's just, it's on all the time. I saw this clip yesterday. Carson Palmer, Santa Margarita, he's the head coach, just won. I think they're in like the semifinals of Southern California for Division 1. And I was thinking, my coach in high school football was named Lee Scarabo. I mean, he was just a joke.

I mean, he was just an abomination as a head coach. Had no clue what he was doing. I was thinking, I can't imagine some of these kids. Your head coach is Carson Palmer. Can you imagine going home if you're like 17? You're like, God, Dad, my coach, he just doesn't quite understand, man. No, he actually understands. He played like 15 years in the NFL.

When the Heisman Trophy, he started at USC. Obviously, I'm sure it was an unreal high school player. Like, no, he kind of gets what you're going through. Actually, he understands completely. And when it comes to football, he's got a pretty good idea what's going on. Some of these kids, and there's no way when you're young to even kind of comprehend what's going on. but you'll look back and you'll go Carson Palmer was my head coach

in high school Carson Palmer do you know how lucky you are okay we'll end on this question for the bag Colin had a segment about Notre Dame not having quality wins this season can't really argue it and also think

they should just join the Big Ten but was their national title appearance last season not filled with quality wins Georgia Penn State etc I'm a much bigger belief in the I test. Like, we kind of know who's good and who's not good. Like, I've watched enough in Notre Dame.

They are really good. And I know, and this is where, if you're a Miami fan, you're like, well, if we have, we're 10 and 2, you're 10 and 2 when we beat you. Like, yeah, true. You did beat us. But would you beat us now? Because I think you'd even you'd agree,

like, we'd like our chances. And I'd say, yeah, I'd like Notre Dame's chances. And I saw Lane bring this up. What if we put it on a neutral site? Can we get Vegas on the phone? What's the line? because I'll bet Notre Dame's favorite. I'll bet Notre Dame's favorite.

And I bet if you made Miami favorite, every single human alive would bet on Notre Dame. So I think Notre Dame is really good. I've watched a lot of college football this year, like I do over here. And they're clearly one of the best seven or eight teams in the country. Would it shock me at all if they won the national championship? No, it would not.

Jeremiah Love is healthy this year. Remember, he was not last year. and two, their quarterback play is better this year. Like, their guy this year is better than their guy last year that was a big part of why they got to the national championship. They have an awesome defense. They have an awesome head coach. They're just well run.

The other thing is, like, I don't think... Obviously, Ohio State's pretty elite. And I'd be stunned if Ohio State doesn't, when they play Indiana and the conference championship doesn't win that game. But beside Ohio State, which you might not match up with till the national championship, who couldn't Notre Dame beat. They can beat Georgia. They can beat Indiana. They can be Bama. They can beat Oklahoma. They can beat Old Miss. They can be Texas Tech. They're going to have a good chance to beat all these teams.

Right. So Miami or Georgia Tech, obviously, they can beat those teams. So I think Notre Dame at 10 and 2 is 100% in. Someone's like, Bama's 10 and 2, they're 100% in. All the SEC is getting, I think the Big 10 more than likely, assuming USC loses this week to Oregon. is going to get Oregon, Indiana, Ohio State. That's three. I think the SEC is going to get Georgia, Bama, Ole Miss. If Oklahoma wins out, Oklahoma, and potentially Vanderbilt.

So that's eight. And then you got Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Texas Tech. And the only reason they did this is so they didn't get sued. But it's so stupid that you have to let in the small school. like North Texas or South Alabama or South Florida we need to scrap that because there's in no world

and listen I got my start of Fresno State so last year Boise State that that was cool and then we watched the game we're like yeah they don't belong here right you're telling me that North Texas is better than like Utah what are we doing? I get it you didn't want to get sued

at this point in time like who cares it pains me to say this but because I was I was texting with someone the other day it's like hey should my guy Tim Skipper at UCLA go to Colorado State and take over the job he coached there with Jim McIlwain before they went to Florida and if he asked me and he hasn't I mean I haven't talked to him in a couple weeks I would say dude I you're much better off

become someone assistant's head coach in the SEC or the Big Ten like be the number two be the defensive coordinator be the assistant coach, linebacker coach. It's easier to become a head coach at a Power 4 program that way than it is coaching with these little guys. The little guys are done. It pains me to say this. But Oregon State, Washington State, Boise State,

those schools are so much more likely to become Montana and UC Davis and McNee State than they ever are to be in the Big Ten in the SEC. And it's going to become the NFL. It's going to be the NFL and then basically minor league football, which is D1A. and those programs, when guys miss on them, they will evaluate their players and steal them. But right now, you are just getting all your players stolen from. So from year to year, even if you are a good coach, you could lose half your players that,

and especially at that level, if you're, I was texting someone this the other day. When I was at Fresno State in like the heyday of Pat Hill, he would have lost on average, I don't know, 10 plus guys a year. that there's not a world where all the guys that got drafted from Fresno State over like a decade long period all the top programs Oregon, SCs, Texas, Ohio State

they would have stolen all these players because you have to play those programs for money and then when you do they just evaluate your guys and then the programs in their conference right? If I'm Fresno State and I play Ohio State

if I play Texas A&M and I play Oregon as my my non-conference to make a bunch of money, well then all the other programs, including those programs, in their conference, watch that cross-tape, see my good players, and they get tampered with and stolen.

And it sucks. So it's like we just need to acknowledge it and just realize, like, that division of football, I don't think even comes close to existing as it does now in five years. I don't see how it does. It's not a sustainable model.

And it pains me and it saddens me to say that. but I think it all becomes whatever. The two major conferences, and they'll keep bringing people in or in some form or fashion, and then everyone else. And they'll all, like Montana will be no different than Boise State. The volume. Hey guys, it's us.

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