The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Reaction to JJ McCarthy & Vikings LOSING to Falcons on SNF, Eagles DEFEAT Chiefs

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

Former NFL scout John Middlekauff is LIVE breaking down Week 2 of the 2025 NFL season, kicking off with Sunday Night Football matchup between the Atlanta Falcons and the Minnesota Vikings. John reacts to Vikings QB JJ McCarthy abysmal performance, and is unsure if he has what it takes to be a long term starter in the NFL. Next, John reacts to Caleb Williams & the Chicago Bears struggling vs. the Detroit Lions in head coach Ben Johnson's return to Detroit, as well as the amount of responsibility that general manager Ryan Poles holds for building this Bears team. John then reacts to the thrilling NFC East matchup between Dak Prescott & the Dallas Cowboys & Russell Wilson & the New York Giants. John then reacts to news of Cincinnati Bengals QB Joe Burrow suffering a turf toe injury, which could potentially jeopardize his season. Next, John reacts to the Super Bowl rematch in which Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley & the Philadelphia Eagles defeated Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, & the Kansas City Chiefs.John wraps up by debating whether preseason rankings in college football still hold substance with the new College Football Playoff format with the 12 teams.  04:52 - Falcons-Vikings 18:55 - Bears-Lions 29:43 - Giants-Cowboys 36:22 - Bengals QB Joe Burrow turf toe injury 40:23 - Eagles-Chiefs 47:12 - College Football preseason rankings are overrated Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by hardrock.bet Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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what I just did. And yeah, some other stuff that happened. Obviously, you know, Joe Burrow has severe turf toe. He might be out basically the whole season. Not ideal if you're a Bengals fan given that your season would be over. And, yeah, Chiefs are 0 and 2. The Cowboys Giants played, I don't know, one of the most entertaining ending of a game you'll ever see. The fourth quarter, the overtime.

It was just, it was fantastic. There's no other way to say it. And then the Bears. I mean, it's full of the franchise time? I don't know about that, but they got thoroughly embarrassed by the Detroit Lions. And yeah, so the game plan will be. We'll have podcasts all week. We'll have a podcast after the games tomorrow.

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what's going on? Just call him by the name that everyone's been calling him. He's like, hey, 20 million people watch this game. Right? It's the number one television show in America. Sunday night football. And we just witnessed field goal after field goal after field goal. Now listen, last week was impressive because J.J. McCarthy had never played an NFL game. He was on the road against a division rival and had played like complete, you know what, through three quarters.

I mean, it not only looked awful, every single human alive was thinking, what are they going to do at quarterback? Would they trade for Kirk Cousins? Who is even available? This is not going to be a functional player. And then he goes on in the fourth quarter, he throws for a couple touchdowns,

he runs for a touchdown, and it's just awesome. Like the heartbeat of the team and was just making throws, was making plays. Like, it looked like high-level quarterback play. And then you get a home game, Now listen, this week, I'm not giving the guy a pass, but I've never had a baby, got one coming

here in a couple months, probably threw off his week a little bit, but still, the expectations played at home, school, like my expectations were pretty high. Now, was I expecting Jared Goff five touchdowns? No. But did I think I would get some version of not the guy we saw early in the Bears game and just the capable player? A guy that could distribute the ball, maybe throw a touchdown or two, and lead Minnesota to, I don't want to say an easy win, it's the NFL, but I expected Minnesota to win because I expected JJ McCarthy to build off what we just witnessed. And it was the opposite.

He was atrocious. I mean, he was terrible. We have now eight quarters of film and a body of work and evidence on J.J. McCarthy. And seven of those, he has been one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL. Like, legitimately terrible. And tonight, he had multiple spots despite how bad he was playing. Again, to just kind of flip the switch. He skipped one to Jefferson on a long third down.

They had to punt. He had Naylor that clearly was a scheme play by Kevin O'Connell against the slot corner wide open. And as Collinsworth said, just put a little air under it. He tried to throw like a rope, and he overthrew him by five, six yards. It wasn't even close. And then every single time you're like, okay, this is his moment.

Now, sometimes he's getting peppered. His backup left tackles in there, school who comes from the 49ers who's not a good player. But the reality is, and I'm guilty of this too, is I nitpick these backups. The drop-off in the NFL with offensive linemen from starters to backups is as wide as the Grand Canyon. There is not a position in the NFL where you go from starter to backup where the gap is wider right now than offensive linemen, partly because the supply and demand guys coming

into this league has come at like a... outweighted version of defensive linemen have been flowing into this league the last five or six years and offensive linemen simply have not. So when you get these guys, you got to make quick decisions, you need your coach to scheme around it. And anytime you put these guys in a one-on-one situation, your quarterback is going to be compromised and he's going to have to play smart. And clearly, JJ, it felt like it again was just swimming a little bit. And I think they tried to run the ball. They tried to settle them down. But the NFL, like just football, in general, and college too, comes down to a couple big spots, and it's usually third and long.

And third and long in the NFL is like third and seven, third and eight, third and nine. It doesn't have to be like third and 20. It's a passing situation where you have to drop back, and there's a decent chance. Even if you have a Justin Jefferson, he might get double covered. So you're going to have to work through your progressions. There's going to be shit flying around you because you're going to have a couple offensive linemen in the game that probably aren't that good. They're going to be a pass rush. You're going to have to slide, and you're going to need to make some passes.

especially when you do get some protection and you can step in the throw, you got to hit it like 100% of the time. This is not like this is the NFL. And that's the reality. And tonight, JJ was atrocious. Like it felt like he had no control over the ball. He's throwing him low. He's throwing him high.

He threw an awful pick. His accuracy is really concerning. Now, obviously that moment in the fourth quarter happened, but the other seven quarters have been pretty concerned. This team's really good. They got players that they're going to get back. Obviously, they had some more injuries leading into this game from last week. But like their coaching staff's really good. Brian Flores is good. We know O'Connell's good. But there comes to a point where it's third and eight and your quarterback, whether it's Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or J.J. McCarthy, the out route is open and you can either hit it or

you can't. Like, there's a production based business. It's very black and white. Like there's not much middle ground and it's pretty evident at least through two games like he is not comfortable doing that balls are just missing left and right which i just think i gave him a ton of credit for mental toughness he showed it last week the moxie but tonight there was just like i don't need mental toughness i just need you to complete the fucking pass and he couldn't do it like you saw by the end of the game they have an incredible home field environment you could argue like the best environments in football are really in college like the top three or four, right?

LSU, I mean, Tennessee looks pretty elite. Penn State at night, it's pretty awesome. Oregon. There's a couple in the NFL that I would call Collegiate, Kansas City, Buffalo, Seattle, when it's on. It's definitely Minnesota. And they just were deflated as the game went on. It's like, what are you supposed to do?

You're keeping your fingers crossed. You're rooting for this guy. He seems like a great young guy. But it's like, we need something here, buddy. And it's not like Atlanta was doing anything. I'm a huge Michael Panics fan. And part of the reason I love Michael Panics is he used to just throw bombs.

It would just be in college. He'd drop back, Rome, McMillan, Polk, he would just push the ball down the field. And now you're watching him. And listen, it's not, he's just running the plays they're calling. A lot of Dickin and Duncan.

Now, luckily, they got Bejan Robinson, who is clearly as talented of a player as there is in the NFL. I mean, he is a freak show. But, like, that's not really the most fun team to watch. I've seen two weeks now with Atlanta Falcons. If you had to rank like

teams 1 through 32 of who you would want to consume, they would be near the bottom. And I would have assumed after last week, Minnesota would have been itching its way back near the top. But after watching the night, like they got a lot of coaching

to do. Now, I don't know what you really coach up with a player that's just struggling to hit basic routes. I mean, they have, you know, Bejohn Robinson's clearly one of the most talented players. And he's really, tonight he showed, like, I am an elite player. The Vikings have pound for pound any position, one of, if not the best player in the NFL in Justin Jefferson. And even Collinsworth mentioned tonight, like, listen, he's a good guy, he's a great team player.

But at the end of the day, wide receivers get frustrated when the quarterback play is shitty. And tonight had to be a night where it's like, what is happening? I mean, how is this going on? The defense, and this is where, like, when a defense plays at a really high level, that eventually they can break when you don't get it done. I thought this happened last week to the Bears. If I saw any person being like, oh, the defense let them down, I think you're a Yahoo. I think you have no clue what you're talking about.

The defense was excellent for the Bears last week. By the end of the game, the offense was so terrible that they just ran out of gas. And tonight I felt like had a moment, like Minnesota. It's like, what else can we do? guys. Brian Flores in the unit's like, hey, can we get a little help over here? And Justice Jefferson's got to be like, not my problem, I'm getting open.

This kid doesn't know where he's throwing it. The offensive line can't block. Jordan Mason's running his ass off, which he was still on the Niners. He looks fantastic. But big picture after last week, and this is the great part about the NFL, we can only, he's like, can't overreact. No, we just literally

just react to the games. So last week you went, hey, the way this game ended, I'm bullish on Minnesota. Now, I go back to like, I don't know. I'm a little concerned because the quarterback play is not trustworthy. So even if they get a bunch of these guys back from injury, there's no disputing their roster minus the quarterback top to bottom is excellent. And once they get their left tackle back,

their offensive line should be better though they lost their center tonight. Their skill positions are really good. They get Jordan Addison back. They got a lot of firepower. Defensively, their scheme and coaching is as good as any in the NFL. you know, if Turner, who had made a play tonight, now granted, it was like more of an effort play, but still, like, you just get good front four, five play, right? Depending.

They bring a lot of guys because Flores is a pretty aggressive coordinator. Secondary is solid. And you go, this should be one of the better teams in the NFL, but you cannot be one of the better teams in modern day football. Like, there is no more such thing as the 85 Bears or the 2,000 Ravens, right? those teams are never going to exist where it's like our quarterback was you know Jim McMahon's a famous guy but they were known for defense in a running game

and I just think the days of a team just like yeah we just our quarterback didn't matter are done same thing in college if your quarterback play your team has to be elite for your quarterback play to be average for your team to be good but if your team's elite your quarterback play has to be above average then you're good

but you don't get by which is like yeah our quarterback play was below average and listen this is the hard part about, I say this all the time, about instituting a young player on a team with high expectations because you don't get this 1997 or 1992 or even like 2006. We get to take a deep breath, we get to ease our way in. The Packers situation with Jordan Love and Aaron Rogers are complete outliers. And they definitely don't happen anymore. Right. So if you're a young player, you play. For as great as Russell Wilson was today, and he played his best game, what feels like in like a decade,

Like, people are not going to want to see them for long. It's like, well, might as well, if we're losing games, put in the young player. And the pressure from ownership, the impact that the fans have on them, which, you know, kind of seeps its way down to the coaching staff and the front office, is very evident by the moves that we see consistently in the NFL. And J.J. McCarthy, like, the expectations for this team are to be good. And it is really, really difficult, especially even in their division. Look how hard they, like, it took them to beat the Chicago Bears, who clearly might be one of the worst teams in the league. So I think if you're Kevin O'Connell, you've got to stay the right things and be positive.

But man, it's a little concerning. And this was always my concern with J.J. McCarthy was obviously in terms of intangible stuff, the metal toughness, the moxie, he proved a week ago. Like, he's got some shit to him. So I'm not questioning any of the intangible stuff. His teammates like him and stuff. which is awesome. But sometimes we like spend a lot of time on that,

and I'm guilty of that too. But on the field tangibles, like accuracy, like just throwing from the pocket, is he comfortable doing that? Right? Like ultimately Michael Penix, well,

I think a lot of people, if you're not a diehard college football fan, if you're just watching Michael Penix, you're like, Middlecock, do you like this guy? What's his deal? He's barely throwing for like 140 yards.

Like, this is the guy he thought was going to be a really good pro? Well, see, yeah, his great attribute is his deep ball. He is an elite deep ball throw and he doesn't throw deep balls with this team.

Because they don't have deep ball wide receivers. They got Pitts, who's a tight end, but he's a wide receiver running slants. They got, what's his name?

Who's their other wide receiver? Number five, who's a big bodied wide receiver going over the middle, running deep ends, like is a physical Drake, Drake London. So it's like the body types

they have are not Tyree. killing his prime. Tyre Killen is prime for Michael Penix, that would translate. But when you look at this team, that's not really the way it works. And like Zach Robinson, the offensive coordinator, I think it's fair to say, like, is he that good? I don't know. But take nothing away. Big win for the Falcons. Made J.J. McCarthy look terrible. And yeah, we got two one-on-one teams. I would say this. I don't like the Falcons moving forward. Like, I don't think they're that good. And I think Minnesota in theory can be good, but their quarterback play leaves me greatly concerned.

Now that we got four more quarter, so we got eight, and like I said, there's one positive one. And the other seven, it'd be, listen, sometimes you just get off to a slow start. It's pro sports, it's really hard. It happens in every sport. Steph Curry could start this year with like seven straight games of poor shooting from three point range, right? It happens. But when this is the only evidence I have of you in the NFL, I've got eight quarters and most of it's really bad, it's hard to not be concerned, especially when you go, you got really good skill around them. So I just think that's the headline.

It's like, is J.J. McCarthy any good? Like, that was what I wrote down, like, midway through the fourth quarter. I do not have the answer to that. And right now, if you're a betting man, you'd have to go, like, we got some problems. And I would imagine Minnesota fans are a little worried. We are extremely excited to announce our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet. Everyone knows and loves their hotels and casinos, but now you can use the top-rated Hard Rock Bet Sportsbook to place all your NFL bets this season.

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what are we talking about? And then this year, because they got Ben Johnson, a lot of people are like, okay, well, I'm not going to get ahead of myself, but they're going to make the playoffs. Like, no, guys, they're the Chicago Bears. And last week, the Lions, right, played an awful game against Green Bay. And my initial thought was like, listen, I think Green Bay is pretty good. Clearly, they're even better than we thought. And then we saw them on Thursday night. Like, no, Green Bay is elite. This might be the best defense in the league. And obviously, offensively, they're awesome. They had a lot, a lot of, I would say, like, revenge for them against the Lions. That was a bigger game for the Packers week one than it was the Lions. Lions

swept them both times last year. They went 0 and 2. against them, but they were also terrible in their division. So they opened up at home at Lambeau. It was a massive game for Green Bay, and they came out swinging, and obviously they parlayed it again Thursday night. They would look fantastic. But it was like, are the lions bad?

And listen, you got two new coordinators, you never quite know. But watching them the day, it's like, no, it's, you know, bringing some guys along with the offensive line, but they still got elite players at countless positions. Brian Branch, Aden Hutchinson, Sewell, St. Brown, Gough, LaPorta, Gibbs. Oh, yeah, Jameson Williams, the guy runs like a 4-1-40. Like, they got high-end skill.

And here's the other thing. In 2025, this is not the Lions I grew up on. They had Barry Sanders and nothing really else. And the Lions throughout the entire Internet era were a poverty franchise. They just always lost. I mean, they have been kind of the running joke for just poorly run franchises, not in the NFL, but all of sports. Well, that changed a couple years ago.

Why? They got a high-level GM and an impressive head coach, but they're starting to pick really good players. Like, you look at their roster, it's not perfect. No one's comparing them to like the 07 paths. I'm not claiming they're the best roster of all time, but they have really, really impactful players at countless positions on both sides of the ball.

They are a well put together organization. And then I look at the Bears. And this tweet is, you know, they get Ben Johnson, but they still got the same GM. They still got Ryan Poles, who somehow, after the embarrassment of the last couple years, got a contract extension. And Eric Lambert, who put out that Ryan Poles has now drafted 34 players, and 26 of them have played more than one season. none have made the Pro Bowl. He is the only GM in franchise history to have that honor at the moment. He's 3 and 17 against the NFC North, and he's 15 and 38 overall.

He has objectively been a horrendous general manager. Now, I would say this, the McCaskies are not a good ownership group. They feel, I don't know, pretty archaic something of the past and have really struggled with the modernization of the national football week. Look at Kevin Warren, who know a few people that are in Big Ten circles. He was kind of a laughing stock when it came to running the Big Ten. They couldn't wait once he left to the, I mean, depending on who you talk to, did he kind of get forced out?

However, no one was sad to see him go. But because they are a weak ownership, he basically runs the entire franchise. The head coach, the GM, they answered to him. him, which makes some sense in Green Bay when you got Murphy or Ed Policy and those guys have a lot of juice. The owner doesn't exist. Well, the McCaskies have owned the family forever, yet this guy can come right in. It shows you everything you need to know about this operation. It's pretty low level. But at the end of the day, he's not picking the players and he's not running the plays. And I said this last year, and I will reiterate this after the article that came out,

just because Caleb Williams had a ton of media hype, doesn't mean that should impact him. Do you know the amount of scouts, GMs, college directors I talk to that say when they watch games on TV, they try to turn down the sound? Because they don't want to hear the commentators talking about certain stuff.

Because a lot of times, it's just about hype. It's just about stuff that you and I would be talking about. You know why? Because that's not their job. hype in football means nothing. You could be the greatest prospect of all time. That's all we heard about Arch Manning.

And then eventually you've got to play. So that hype is meaningless once we see you play games. You're either good or you're not. You either have talent or you don't. You either are improving or you're getting worse. And I'm not trying to shit on Arch Manning. Maybe his shoulders really hurt. But every time I watch him play, I go,

I just don't see a very good football player. And I hope his shoulders hurt. It's that difficult to, watch him throw the ball. And when I watched the Bears, this is like, hype, hype, hype, Caleb, hype, hype, hype. Even though he had won the Heisman trophy, it felt like a no-brainer from the outside noise, outside of football, to take Caleb Williams. If you would have tweeted a year ago leading into the draft of like, I don't think Caleb Williams going to be a good NFL player, the ratio of people on the internet shitting on your take would have basically been

100%. You would have been called the village fucking idiot. You know nothing about football. Don't quit your J job. Stop ever commenting, having a thought or an opinion on the sport. Yet a year later, universally, we all go, the guy stinks. He can't play. Well, you know whose job it is to not worry about Twitter ratios or what people are going to say online? It's the general manager. And I'll never forget, because I've known him for a while, and I remember watching the reaction to Adam Peters bring everyone to Top Golf. It was like, what is he doing? How could he be doing this? And I would imagine, I've never asked him this, he probably had pretty high thoughts of Jaden Daniels before he did the Top Golf experiment. But it's his job to try to remove his biases and the

way he's leaning to just let the process play out. So why would you not do your due diligence on every single person. And he did that. And he ended up getting Jaden Daniels. But he didn't just go, you know what? I know for a fact, in February in March, that Jaden Daniels is the best player. I don't care what anyone thinks

and I'm doing it. And it was easy to do that with Caleb because universally on the internet and the fan base, everyone's going to give you a thumbs up. Yet now everyone's giving you a thumbs down because the guy can't play. But you didn't do any due diligence on

anyone else. And I'm not even factoring in Tyler Dunn's article about the way the meetings went. I'm just, because again, that's obviously coaches talking. There's a lot of different, you know, irons in the fire, a lot of different variables of opinions. It is an objective fact that he brought one quarterback in during the draft process, which is insane. And clearly, and I saw someone, I don't want to, I apologize for not giving credit on this, because this is not my take. I'm I'm stealing this on the internet. That basically Ben Johnson is a direct, if he was a movie director,

he not only writes out the script, but he directs that script perfectly when the camera is on. He does not want you, like Leonardo DiCaprio, whoever the actor may be, to ad lib. He wants you to do exactly what is on the paper for your lines. And Caleb Williams doesn't memorize the lines.

He does ad lib. and sometimes it's really good, but most of the time, it's not. And meshing those two things together will never work. And it clearly is not working. And I didn't think it was going to work. It's way worse than I thought. But it's not even all Caleb, Ben Johnson.

It starts at the top. Ryan Poles, the organization, I mean, they are an embarrassment. They really are. And if I hear one more time about all this talent, like I'm watching them, the lions have a lot of talent. And they beat the shit out of these guys.

It honestly wasn't even a fair fight. Game was kind of close for a minute until it wasn't. And I just think there's a rot, there's a negativity, there's obviously an intensity because it's Chicago, but it's going to be hard to overcome for Ben Johnson. Even if he picks his quarterback one day, the situation that is, that he signed up for.

And people have DM me, you know, is there a chance that he regrets the decision a year ago? And I've said over and over, I don't know the guy personally, but talking to people that knew him personally, felt that he was just a little on the fence

about how ready he was a year ago. But you can't tell me he lays in his bed, which I would imagine he's not sleeping much because of what just has been transpiring these last couple weeks. And doesn't think, you know, Even if I wasn't ready, I got news for you.

Most human beings aren't ready when they get big opportunities, right? Sometimes you just get thrown into the deep end and you just kind of got to learn to swim. I would say most people in any competitive industry, despite how much experience may be needed for that spot, probably have a little less than ideal, especially younger people in coaching, that he can't regret the decision that he made by shunning the Washington commanders and coaching. Jaden Daniels and working with Adam Peters and Josh Harris, an organization that is just dramatically more buttoned up than this shit show in Chicago. The Dallas Giants game. What a fun experience.

You know, sometimes you do this long enough, you kind of get jaded and can get negative sometimes on given days. Like, oh, these games are terrible. I was even telling myself that this morning. It's like, oh, it's kind of a boring morning. This isn't great. Hell, I was saying that definitely on Saturday. Like, this is not that fun. And then that game breaks out.

And just a little throwback. And I'm guilty of this. Like I've talked a lot of shit about Russ Wilson. I think he's kind of weird. And obviously he's not a very good player anymore until today. And he was just throwing bombs. And they were catching bombs. And they were scoring points left and right.

I don't care if Dallas couldn't cover me and you. It was enjoyable to watch Russ just sling that pill as high as humanly possible in the air and have it land in Malik Neighbors' hands and score touch. That was really, really fun. But when Dallas tied up the game, one thing I learned from a schematic standpoint that I will never forget is I work with Lewis Riddick, who's now on ESPN.

And Lewis, when he was a player, Lewis was a really good college player at Pitt and then played in the NFL for I think six or seven years. Well, for a couple of those years, he played in Cleveland. And Nick Saban was the defensive course. coordinator and Bill Belichick was the defensive head, he was a head coach. And he used to hammer this home because he was taught this back then is listen, in zone defense, right, you're not just covering a man, you're covering space. So in football, there are specific landmarks. If you are a linebacker

and you're in a zone defense against, especially in a situation where they are going to pass the ball down the field, you get a certain amount of depth and you get to a spot on the field. 10 yards back, three yards over, whatever it may be given that specific defense. And on the play, the Dak Prescott hit Ferguson to get them into field goal range, which somehow for this kicker is like the 50-yard line, there was a linebacker in the middle of the field. And he probably did exactly what the defensive coordinator told them to be. Seven steps back, two steps over, be a player.

Well, it's like, that's being a robot. Sometimes in football, you got to go throwback to like when you're, you were at recess or when you were in high school and just play the game. You know that you just sitting there killing turf is completely worthless and there is a tight end a couple yards to your left. Do you know what you might want to do? Maybe leave your spot. Show some instincts and just make a play. Instead everyone just dropped to their landmarks, stood there like this and Ferguson caught the ball and landed like the 48 or 49 yard line. And it gave them, put them in position to kick a game-winning field goal that would have been good from like 80 yards.

But to me, defensively, I'm as, like, as willing as anyone to just completely shit on coaches first over the players, that's on the player. Like, at the end of the day, there gets to a point, especially situational football, where it's like, you got to have some basic understanding of, like, I probably need to cheat over a yard or two. and just use some of my instincts in the game I've probably been playing since I was 6, 7, 8 years old, even well before pads when you're just running around. There has to be some sort of feel. And I thought that is where the game was lost. Obviously, there was a lot of craziness after that in overtime.

Both teams got the ball, it felt like 10 times each. But that play, it's like, how does that happen? And I think everyone's going to crush the defensive coordinator. There are moments in a game. on defense when you're talking about space where the guy has to just make a play or just put himself in a position to make a play. If I'm just standing there,

because we have gone over this since the offseason or for the last couple of years, OTA's training camp the season, OTAs training camp the season, this is where I'm supposed to be. I know I won't get in trouble. I don't know until the guy is right next to you catching the ball and you're just standing there. It was pretty embarrassing.

And then obviously, I do think it's pretty crazy that throughout most of my life, I feel like a 50-yard field goal, maybe up to 55, was viewed as a really, really long field goal. I feel like consistently, and maybe stats aren't on my side, we have seen guys consistently hit field goals from well into the high 50s and into the early 60s. And a lot of times when they make these, either game, winners or game tires from 60 yards or 57 yards, it feels like they have 6, 7, 8 yards to spare. I mean, part of the powerful thing about the Cowboys game time kick is it probably would have been good. I saw some people putting 70, maybe 75 yards. It's crazy how strong the guy's leg were.

It had like first an initial fade, then a hook. It had like six different ball flights in the air because it had so far to travel. One of the more just crazier kicks, here's the thing too, is when they got him into, quote-unquote, his range, I think 64 yards, there's not a soul that thought he was going to miss it. And then he just drilled it.

It was incredible to watch. And listen, you know, Brian Chottnheimer, easy guy to make fun of coming into the season. He had no business being the job. No one else would have hired him. And all those things were true. No one else was going to hire Briden Schopenheimer to be their offensive coordinator, let alone their head coach.

But I'd say through two weeks, he's the play caller. The offense looks really good. Looks really explosive. George Pickens is not an easy guy to coach, right? Some balls he attack, some balls he just watches. Sometimes he blocks, sometimes he doesn't. But he's making a lot of plays for him. He's, listen, Jerry deserves some credit on this one too.

It's only two weeks. We've got a long way to go. But he's made a lot of plays and had a huge influence. on just balancing out this offense. Because one thing when he's got C.D. Lamb, who's an excellent player, if you don't have anyone else, like any team, you know, worth their salt, could, you know, Georgia could put together a defense to slow down one NFL wide receiver. Well, if I got two guys, I can only cheat so much.

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Whatever Brock Purdy has is like two to five weeks. And, you know, there were some reports. today that Purdy are probably going to miss next week as well. But I would imagine that I'd be a little stunned if Purdy's not back the week after that. But the severity of his turf toe is not Burroughs. And Burroughs turf toe is the one where you need surgery potentially. Now he's trying to get second opinions. But if he gets surgery and it's a three plus month situation, like his season's over.

The Bengals season is over. And they invested, they paid T. Hick, obviously they figured out financially how to keep tray around and not trade them all because of Joe Burrow and you remove him and I told Coward this I never thought in a million years Jake Browning would be make one year in the NFL I was stunned when he made it through a training camp and was kept on on practice squads he's obviously a serviceable player

he has improved as much as any human being from college to where he's at now as I've ever seen. I thought he was a fringe college starter. I know he won a lot of games in college. I always thought it was crazy that he could win games in college. He was on loaded teams, good coaching, but he's a different player now. But the drop-off from Joe Burrow to Jake Browning is just pretty big.

And we've seen this before. When Burrow gets hurt, they fall apart. There's just, you can't lose one of the best players in the league. I mean, think about the start of the season. We don't think their defense is very good. and we were like, well, if Brooke could have a similar season to last year and throw 43, 44, 45 touchdowns,

maybe they could compete to be the 7th seed. Well, that's gone. I mean, Browning through whatever, three interceptions today. Now, granted, he threw two touchdowns. He also had the game winning touchdown. So they got Jamar Chase DeHiggins. I mean, they got weapons.

But your season ends before it even starts. I can't even imagine being a, a Bengal fan. If it does become official this week that he's got to get the surgery and he's out for three months, aka the year, your season just ends. And that's the brutal part about football is other positions can go down. You could have offensive linemen break a leg. You could have your stud pass rusher, tear his ACL. But your season doesn't end. The moment your quarterback goes down, especially when it's one of the best quarterbacks in the league, we all

know the outcome. It's over. And they have no chance if Burrell has to, which I don't think people are just like, I don't see how he avoids it. We saw as he was walking off the field, the clip kind of went viral as he was walking semi-normal, and then all of a sudden I would imagine

the pain in his foot, he could barely walk. And he had to basically be escorted back in the locker room. And I saw someone saying, don't they have a little John Deer, don't they have the little, the cart where you put injured players in? Wouldn't you want to buy a

cart which, I don't know, my guess is 20 grand max for a guy that you just gave a, I think like $300 million to? Instead of making him put weight on his turf toe, but of course they're cheap

and their offensive line. You invest in these wide receivers, you invest in pass rushers, which I'm not against, but when you can't block for a quarterback who is a pocket quarterback, you don't. This is, what do he thinks is going to be the outcome here? And, yeah, sad day to be a Bengal fan. Not much else that hasn't been said about the Chiefs for 0 and 2, I think for the first time since 2014, which was Andy's second year in the league for the Chiefs.

I don't know, man. I thought they threw their kitchen sink at them. That's as good as they can play, given this team. Their defense was awesome. They were controlling Jalen Hertz. The passing game for the Eagles was nothing. Mahomes was making some plays. And I thought if they score touchdown on that drive that goes off Travis Kelsey's hands,

I thought they were going to win the game. And it was like they were going to pull this thing. It was going to be ugly. It was going to be like, this is championship heart. This is championship character. and it just bounced right off Kelsey's hands. And that was the game. Like, honestly, it could have even ended harder

if the left tackle can't run somehow like a linebacker and tackled the DB down the sideline. But your margin for error when you play in these crazy close games, and they are playing in games that look, especially today, that look exactly like last year, you're going to lose some of them. And they won them all last year, and they lost it today. but I don't know what they're supposed to do.

Were these not healthy? Rish is suspended. That is their explosion on offense. Hollywood Brown actually is making some plays. And I think the tough part about today is I thought Travis looked pretty good. He had the sweet play where he stiff-armed Dijin. He made a couple other huge plays on third down. I think one was even on, was it fourth down,

where he ran like a route that had three different breaks. He like did an out route, an in route, or he ran in, he ran out, and he was like six different jukes. It's like Alan Iverson crossed you over and then crossed you over again. But that play, and listen, everyone was tweeting like, he's washed. It's like, I don't know, they were just, the timing was a little off. But that was a devastating moment for the Chiefs. And they got lucky that Denver lost, that someone has to lose tomorrow.

Do you know what's crazy? is there is a decent chance. I mean, the Raiders are at home. The Raiders are in first place and the Chiefs are in last place. I bet there's a decent chance that that has not happened at any point since Andy Reid has been in Kansas City. Now, the Raiders haven't been in first place in general very often, but probably the one year with Derek Carr where he broke his ankle.

They had a really good team, and they were competing to win the division that year. but overall they have they've been really bad and if they go to two it's early but the Raiders have a chance to go two and oh and have a two game lead on the Kansas City Chiefs I won't write in Kansas City off

but this was inevitable that they're just going to have a season that some of these breaks aren't going to go their way and maybe they go 10 and 7 obviously defensively they're still really good physically that game was just was brutal I mean guys were getting crush. That was a game on the line of scrimmage.

Like, you better buckle your chin strap. And let's face it, like the elephant in the room is, Eagles are 2 and O, their passing game does not look good. And I know how Philly works. I've been there. I follow the team really closely ever since I've left. It's an intense environment. Now, you go on the road, you beat a team that has won the AFC five in the last six years. That's a good win. You don't apologize and like your stats should have been better. The clip go in viral of Chris Jones and saying you didn't even have a hundred yards and Jalen saying we won the game. And this is the thing I respect about Jalen is like sometimes he just finds a way. He had to play today on an all-out blitz and Spags brings it. I mean, he always has kind of what he's known for,

where Jalen just gets destroyed and waits until the last possible second. The difference of, you know, Jalen, in theory, should be this running, scrambling quarterback. You watch a guy like Caleb, he's always taken off for his life. Jalen will sit in there. throw this great go route in a one-on-one situation against what I thought was like a pro-bowl level guy against McDuffie who doesn't even look. Devante Smith makes a great play and that was, that felt like a dagger at that moment. But Jalen's stats do not look great. And listen, he's not going to be on a week-in, week-out basis, you know, slinging that thing like he's

Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. He's not going to put up those type stats. He did no chance. Like the game Herbert had a week ago. It's not really Jalen's game. but he does make some winning plays throughout that you kind of like got to be a little football nerdy but he deserves some respect you know and I think the Eagles the way they're built their physicality

defensively they're just going to be will coach with Fangio obviously Seekwan busted some big runs as the game went offensive line they're just so big and physical clearly on the one push push they had a couple of guys jump off sides I've said this over and over I hate the tush push I fucking hate it not because I don't think they should be able to do it. It's in the rules. Any team could do it.

And you see teams in college and definitely in the pros kind of try, but the thing that makes the Eagles so strong is their quarterback so powerful. Most quarterbacks are a little higher. They don't get as low. They just don't have the push. And the thing that separates the Eagles isn't just their powerful, good offensive line. It's their quarterback can squat like all of Kansas City. And that makes that play for them.

But it is a boring play to watch. Because if they go into it on third and one, even if you're able to somewhat neutralize it once, it never fails two times in a row. It feels like an inevitability in a sport that is completely not inevitable. I mean, it's a sport that on any given moment, anything can happen in every game, every player.

You just never know. A guy can throw a pick. A guy could trip. A guy can get a first down. I could bust 80. With that play, you just 100% it feels like know the outcome. That's my issue with the play. But they do it and they do it to perfection. And even Brady, who I think is so much better than last year, like dramatically better.

I mean, dramatically better. Honestly, I thought he was borderline unlistable last year. I'm not calling him John Madden yet, but he's just solid. Like, it was an easy list. I think he's relaxed a lot, maybe just, which is understandable. He's got a year under his belt, just kind of comfortable in the role. And just, I thought this is a much easier to listen in 2025. So it shows you. You know, you get 10 years, $375 million.

It might take you a year, but he'd be good at it. And we'll end on this. In the NFL, you know, people do power rankings and depending on what show or podcast you listen to, people rank teams. None of that actually means anything, right? You either make the playoffs or you don't make the playoffs.

you either are the one seed if you win the division or the two or three or four. Your record determines where you go. And it's very, very basic how you make the playoffs, how you win the division. Like it's very black and white. Yet in college it's always been people vote and we got these different rankings, the AP, the coaches poll, that one chick went viral last week that basically said like, I don't even give a shit.

I just throw some teams. I know that other people will balance it out. I was thinking like, why are we even doing poll? How does this exist? I get because it's still a subjective formula to create the playoffs in college. Why do we do preseason polls anymore? With the transfer portal, we have no clue who's good and who's bad. In terms of like, we know that Clemson is not going to go 0 and 12, you would think,

but last year I saw Florida State who the previous year had won 13 games, and if it wasn't for their quarterback snapping his leg would have been in the final four and who knows, could have won the national championship the following year won two games and everyone, like Clems is going to be really good, Clems is going to be really good. What if they're not?

It happens in the NFL all the time. Like this team's going to be good or maybe not. We do not need preseason rankings because that really jades the way, like in football, we think the Vikings are going to be good. I think they're going to be good. But if you told me, hey, JJ's his debacle and they go 7 and 10.

It's not unrealistic. And in college football, these preseason rankings dictate the way we look at these teams. Like Notre Dame. They played Miami and Texas A&M. Miami could be the best team in the country. And A&M, worst case, probably winning nine games. And if it goes perfectly for them,

maybe they go 10 and 2, 11 and 1. I mean, if you told me they were in the SEC championship game, wouldn't be that surprised. But coming into the season, like, hey, they were in the national championship last year, be there again. Well, I don't know. I mean, they lost their quarterback. They lost other players of the draft. They have a bunch of young players coming up the pipe. Maybe they're ready to go.

Maybe they're not. You just never know. We saw this with Texas and Arch Manning. It's like, hey, Texas, completely loaded, except the quarterback who might not be good. And now with 12 teams, I just think preseason rankings, we should just throw them in the trash. They should not exist. You could tell me after September, maybe we could do

top 25, but even then, the last couple weeks, you know what I did yesterday? I was like, you know what? I'm going to go play golf. Why? Because I looked around and it's just a bunch of big time teams playing nobody's. It's like, this is a terrible product. There were two good games I thought

that you couldn't miss. Georgia, Tennessee and Notre Dame, Texas, A&M. And it was a lot of Texas first Utah. It's like, how are, are we still playing these games? How do these games still exist? They're unwatchable. How am I supposed to, even if you are kicking the... Indiana, who made the playoffs last year, just played Indiana State. The school Larry Bird went to. Beat him 73 to nothing. What am I supposed to make of that game? What's more impressive? Indiana winning that game or Notre Dame losing at home to Texas A&M?

I think we all know if Notre Dame played Indiana 10 times I think Notre Dame would beat him 9 times but we got to do these preseason rankings and they're higher they're lower I just think we got to find a better way to not go into the season with a bias and there's no way to get around that

when you have a 4 in front of your name or a 20 in front of your name it's like you actually might if you're the 20 you could be the 15 like Miami Miami could be good what if Miami is just the best team in the league but they had a preseason ranking that kind of jades the way you think about it.

But if there were no preseason rankings, you'd be like, God, Miami is the best team in the league in the country? I said this about the Packers. Coming in, people are kind of like the Packers. Then they got Micah. You'd be like, oh, they're definitely one of the six, seven, eight best teams.

After two weeks, you'd be like, they're the number one team in the country. But we don't do that in the NFL. You know, why? Because it doesn't fucking matter. We got three or four more months of football. Same thing with college football. It's September 14th.

We've got a long way to go. I just think these top 25s, I get it. fun, it leads to debate, everyone's arguing over it. Mean nothing right now. Mean literally nothing. Adios, good night. Talk to everyone soon.

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