The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Reaction to Matthew Stafford & Rams DESTROYING Bucs on SNF + NFL Week 12

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

Former NFL scout John Middlekauff is reacting LIVE immediately following the Week 12 Sunday Night Football matchup between Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Matthew Stafford and the Los Angeles Rams. John kicks things off by reacting to the Rams blowout win on SNF vs. the Buccaneers in which Baker Mayfield was injured before halftime and did not return to the game. John speaks about how the Rams should be in the driver's seat in the NFC as they look like the most complete team in the conference. John speculates if the Bucs are in danger of losing the NFC South to the surging Carolina Panthers, who play the San Francisco 49ers on Monday Night Football in Week 12. John then reacts to the Las Vegas Raiders firing their offensive coordinator Chip Kelly after the team lost to the Cleveland Browns. John also speaks on the starting debut of Shedeur Sanders as well as the historic performance from star edge rusher Myles Garrett. John then dives into the Philadelphia Eagles epic collapse on the road against the Dallas Cowboys as well as the New York Giants collapse on the road against the Detrot Lions. John then discusses how bad Minnesota Vikings QB J.J. McCarthy has looked under center in a loss to the Green Bay Packers. John gives flowers to Caleb WIlliams and the Chicago Bears who are in first place in the NFC North after a big time win vs. the Pittsburgh Steelers. Next, John reacts to reports that 49ers wide reciever Brandon Aiyuk will be getting his guarantees voided in his contract due to a contentious season on injured reserve.  John wraps up with his Hard Rock Bet picks for Monday Night Football: Panthers (+7.5) at 49ers George Kittle Anytime Touchdown Ricky Pearsall Anytime Touchdown Teteroia McMillian Anytime Touchdown 03:17 - Bucs-Rams reaction 15:12 - Bucs are trending in wrong direction 17:40 - Browns-Raiders 21:41 - Shedeur Sanders 22:38 - Myles Garrett 24:59 - Eagles-Cowboys 31:09 - GameTime 31:56 - Giants-Lions 35:27 - Vikings-Packers 38:03 - Steelers-Bears 41:31 - 49ers WR Brandon Aiyuk 45:57 - HRB Picks Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Rams destroy Tampa. probably the craziest moment of the day, though, is the Eagles falling apart and the Cowboys winning. We also just had a firing. Chip Kelly is no longer the Eagles offensive coordinator, so we'll dive into that as well. Packers ruined JJ McCarthy's career. The Lions barely win their defenses and shambles.

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We will start with the ramps. I do think, you know, after the Eagles fell apart and lost a, just an awful game. I mean, you're up 21-0, killing the Cowboys. There's not any part of any human being alive, including Jerry Jones, Dak Prescott, Brian Choddneyheimer. When they were up 21-0, you think the Eagles were going to lose? And then they did. And then the Rams come out like that.

You got to say the two best teams right now in the NFC still are the Los Angeles Rams in Seattle. But the Rams ceiling right now, you know, the Devante Adams move. I mean, you could argue two of the best offseason moves were Devante Adams and George Pickens. I mean, both guys are completely dominant. Now, the difference is, you know, George was a very polarizing player. Devante was, at least in my opinion, a first ballot Hall of Fame level guy. And I think this little run with Stafford is going to really help solidify that because the way he looks with Matt looks like he did in the prime of Aaron Rogers' career.

He is just a dominant force. I think he has 10 touchdowns on the year. He's uncoverable. You put him with Puka, especially in the red zone. Their offense looks incredible. Their defense looks awesome. Their coaching is elite. this is a team to me that just looks poised to compete slash win a Super Bowl and now that they gain control of the conference

they can get home field advantage and anytime you give Sean McVeigh I mean this is a team you give them a buy especially Bat Stafford they are going to be extremely dangerous offensively they have a potent passing game you put them indoors hell I mean we saw them last year in the playoff game in the snow

go toe to toe with the Eagles who clearly then were better than they are now. But you put this guy indoors, you know, with the weapons he has, how good their defense is playing. I mean, I did not know this landman character from Colorado was essentially Ray Lewis reincarnated. They just extended him within the last 48 hours. He's hitting people the day like he's Roquan Smith or Fred Warner.

I mean, he's an elite player. Then Forbes, the guy they traded for from Washington, I'll be honest, I didn't know that much about him. It's like, yeah, this guy was a first round pick. And even Collinsworth, it's like, you can't argue with the physical characteristics. And they've immediately flipped that guy overnight into a high-end contributing player. Like, you speak about coaching, you speak about culture. You know, if I'm a commander fan, it's like Dan Quinn, you're a defensive guy.

We just had this guy. Our secondary sucks. You couldn't make this work? Like, what's going on? He comes with Shula and McVeigh within a couple weeks. because he's making huge plays tonight on Chris Godwin. Like, God, this guy's moving,

he's mirroring the guy across the field, making plays on the ball. Damn! Now, listen, Tampa is really banged up. Obviously, Bakers and Chambles. But, like, their back was kind of against the wall. And to get curb stomped like they did tonight was, to me, much more of a reflection on the Rams

than it is on them. I mean, their seasons kind of spiraling in the wrong direction. But the Rams are humming. You get the momentum last week from that Seattle game, and they look like a team. Like right now, to me, if I had to say, hey, who's going to win a Super Bowl? I would take them over Seattle just because I trust Matt Stafford

a lot more than I trust Sam Darnel. Now, you know, every time now I get there playing the Titans. Like Sam Darnold is playing really, really well, but he is going to be under a magnifying glass as we come down the home stretch and obviously in the playoff game. but there is no disputing something pretty special is going on with Matt Stafford. He's clearly going to be the betting favorite over the next 24 hours in the race to win the MVP. He's playing as well as he ever has in his career.

The back injury, which was a real thing, he could not practice in training camp, feels like something that happened seven years ago. And I had someone actually send me a direct message, and it kind of got me thinking, and the gist of it was, this guy was having a conversation about quarterback legacies. And I brought up how Matt Stafford

is already a Hall of Famer, which I agree. But if he wins the MVP and also wins the Super Bowl MVP, that would put him in rarefied air. Because, listen, some people have come, you know, kind of prisoner of the moment

comparing his career to Roger's career. It's not even fair. Aaron got to go to Green Bay. a place that is called like quarterback heaven. It's an incredible place to go. And listen, I have always defended Rogers' career. In the prime of his career in Green Bay, it didn't get any better. Matt Stafford played for the Lions, right?

You're going to do a lot better in life when you go to a place that knows what they're doing when you're young than a place that had no clue. And when he went to the Lions, it was a joke. But what we have seen of him with Sean McVeigh over these last four or five years, Like he's already checked off. If he had good coaching, no one can argue he would have been considered one of the greatest players of all time. It's like, well, look at his record with the Lions. Everyone's record before Dan Campbell got there.

My entire life was awful. They're two best players at 30 years old. Quit. Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson. Literally they said, I'm done playing football at 30 years old. It's like unprecedented. It never happens. He comes to the Rams.

He's now taking them to the playoffs basically every year. obviously he won the Super Bowl, and now he's going to win an MVP. So, like, he will never have the longevity of some of these guys that are, quote, unquote, his peers. Obviously, Rogers, Breeze, Rothesberger, those type players, because when they got, and you see it now with, you know, Mahomes or Lamar, those guys got to the league, and they immediately started winning. But, like, if I put Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson on the 2008 Detroit Lions, I'm pretty confident it, it wouldn't have gone that well. Why? Because it hadn't gone well for literally everyone that went to that franchise.

And now I'm watching him with the Rams. I do think it's whether they win the Super Bowl this year or not, if he wins the MVP, like it's really going to be a validation for his career. And I also think he'd have to start asking himself because the quarterback draft this year is atrocious. It is not good. besides Fernando Mendoza, who's probably going to go number one overall, there is not another player that most people in the NFL feel comfortable

that you would take in the top 20 picks. Well, his franchise, the Rams, they have the Falcons first round pick. So they're going to get a pick within probably the top 15. And then they're also going to have their pick. Well, they have a young, like Devante Adams is under contract for multiple years. Puka's going nowhere. Kairn Williams is under contract. Landman's under contract.

all their defensive linemen are young and under contract. So this nucleus of the team isn't going anywhere. So if you're Stafford, even if you won an MVP and the Super Bowl, doesn't get much better. I know he's made a lot of money. He literally has. I think he's one of, if not the highest paid quarterbacks, because most quarterbacks are the highest paid players of all time.

I think he's either three or two. Maybe Brady was one. Maybe Rogers was one. I forget. I haven't looked at the list recently. but he's definitely in the top five of all-time career earnings for an NFL player. And he's making $40 million this year. But why not run it back and make $45 million again next year?

If this is how good your team is, this is how good you're playing, especially physically, he looks to be in great condition. The league has never been more conducive about extending your career as a quarterback because they can't touch you. They literally can't hit you. So if you're Matt Stafford and you feel good, you clearly like living in Los Angeles. your head coach is also your offensive coordinator.

You have this great rapport now with these two wide receivers. Your team's going to be in position to potentially draft some sweet offensive linemen high. I don't think he's going anywhere. He could only just start kind of gaining this legacy, which is kind of cool. Every once in a while you get a guy that kind of becomes this legendary player in his mid to late 30s. And some guys have a stronger case than others. Right? When I was in high school, it was Rich Gannon, who was kind of this afterthought.

Then Gruden convinces Al Davis to bring him to the Raiders, and he resurrects his career for a four or five-year run. Wins an MVP, takes a team to a Super Bowl. Now, what Stafford's doing is more impressive and Stafford is a better player. But my point is that sometimes you get in these situations, do you get some like late life? Now, Stafford led a good life in Detroit in terms of he was always making one of, if not the highest paid players in the league, made a ton of money, clearly was a good player, but was just in a dysfunctional place. Then he goes to a place that just knows what they're doing.

And you watch him. And now he's excelling. And their franchise is thriving. What they did a couple years ago when they pivoted, and Sean clearly had to, you know, listen, he didn't handle losing well. All he had done is win. And he floated with Amazon. Don't blame them.

They were going to pay him $15 plus million. to call Thursday night football with Al Michaels. You work one day a week. You fly everywhere in a private jet with Al. It's a pretty good life. Like, it's what I personally would have chose. But, you know, I'm a media talking guy. You know, Sean McVeigh is a football coach.

And he realized like, yeah, my life's pretty good. And just because I'm a dad, looked around, a lot of football coaches have kids. And he's meant to coach football. And him staying, him making the move with his college roommate, Shula, to be his defensive coordinator, that has been an incredible hire. And clearly, I don't know if insecure is the right word,

but he was just hesitant to do it, just the way it was to be looked upon, probably not even from the outside, more internally, guys on the staff. And he'd had a bunch of good defensive coordinators. I mean, the moment he got there, Wade Phillips, Brandon Staley ran one of the great scams of all time in 2020. Obviously, Rahim was a stud for him.

But Shula has been every bit as good as all those guys. and if you think about some of the teams they're probably going to have to beat, you know, to win the NFC, Seattle, they're clearly pretty comfortable playing Sam Darnold. If they match up with the 49ers early, they're pretty comfortable playing, you know, that operation as a franchise.

The Eagles, they've played them really, really well, despite losing the last two times when they've played them this year and last year in the playoffs. You know, the lions are extremely flawed. I feel really, really good. Obviously, health can change. anything at a moment's notice. But if you're a Rams fan right now,

I mean, tonight that game was over after the first quarter. That was a glorified training camp joint practice, you know, for the Rams. And they're riding high. They look fantastic. And Matt Stafford feels like he's kind of solidifying his legacy on a completely different level, which is cool. Because I think he always had a lot of supporters in the NFL. A lot of people that, you know, thought.

that he was better than he ever got credit for. And it's hard. You don't get that much credit when you lose a lot. You just don't. Fair or not. You can be a good coach on a losing team because you're in a dysfunctional organization, right? You can be a good player on a losing team

because you have a bad GM, a bad coach. And when you see Matt Stafford with the Rams, it has been impressive to watch. On the flip side, I'm a big Jason like guy. I think he's one of the best GMs in the league. and their team fully healthy is really good. But they are not only not fully healthy, they are trending in the wrong direction.

And I get asked a lot of questions about Todd Bowles and even Collinsworth mentioned it tonight. Like those two coaches tonight couldn't be on the opposite ends of the spectrum. Right? McVeigh looks like a Hollywood actor. Todd looks like this old, grumpy kind of quiet guy. I like Todd. He was always cool to me when I worked with him in Philly. I think he's an excellent defensive mind,

but clearly the team is really off-kilter. If Baker is seriously injured, they are just completely fucked. There really is no way around it. They would have no chance to compete. I mean, Teddy is an awesome guy, but I mean, he was coaching high school two months ago. He was not planning on being in the situation,

so you throw him out there out of desperation. The injuries on this team have continued to mount obviously Todd is a defensive guy right now and their defense looks atrocious so even if you go listen you got some injuries we don't expect you to be the 85 bears

can we just at least neutralize opponents a little bit and the answer right now is no I mean it felt like they could have thrown to Devante every single play and there's nothing they could do so I think Tampa right now a couple weeks ago it felt like they would have been a shoe in

to win this stuff division. The Panthers are coming and they still play the Panthers twice. Baker's health. If you told me Baker has a serious injury, he's going to miss a lot of time. I would say the Panthers could not only win this division. You could convince me Tampa's not going to win many games moving forward. They can't stop a soul on defense. Their offense without Mayfield is going to be in Chambles. And it just feels like the momentum that they had early in the season, winning all those close games. I think you feel like you watch the Rams. You know, you, you You watch Seattle.

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The offense was not good. Dante Moore, who's become a collegiate star and was one of the, I don't know if he was second or third overall recruit. He was supposed to go to Oregon, flip last second, went to Chip. They started him as a freshman, and he looked atrocious. and you watch him with Oregon, Dan Lannning and Will Stein, he looks fantastic. This notion that Chip Kelly is some dominant offensive mind in 2025. Listen, I don't know if it's Pete Carroll, if it was Tom Brady,

but to give Chip Kelly three years $18 million in 2025 is one of the more crazy financial investments in recent memory. It really is insane. Obviously, the Pete Carroll situation is not going well. it's it's safe to say I think we overuse this term we just use it for anything right now like is your dog just washed

no my dog's old it can't walk that fast but anything that we see that's slowing down just go that's washed P. Carroll might legitimately be over the hill it might be over same thing for Belichick like sometimes you get in your mid-70s

no matter how much you love football no matter how much you think about football no matter like how much you're just a football life or you just lose your fastball I mean, we saw that video of Nick Sabin on the lazy boy watching Bill's chiefs when Miss Terry screams at him to sit up. Like, he kind of looked like a grandpa.

Similar age as those guys. He just didn't have his fastball anymore. Doesn't mean he doesn't love football. It doesn't mean he doesn't think about football all the time. But it was just over. And I respect him for just saying, I'm out. Pete Carroll just couldn't live without it. He's richer than he ever could have imagined his wildest dreams,

if you would ask him at 30 or 40 years old. but there's just some like, I don't know if he's got a scratch his itch with the ego, but watching him today, I mean, people talk a lot of shit about Stefansky, myself included a little bit. They were just running circles around the Raiders. But like part of Chip Kelly,

once you get like an innovative offensive guy, you should watch something go, God, I see some stuff. I'm watching Stafansky today. He called some just deeper breaking routes for Shador. Why? He's got a bigger arm than Dylan Gabriel. And then they got in the goal line, and they like ran some watch.

Wildcat. Just direct snap to Junkins. You can't stop this guy because he's one of the, well, Miles Garris is the best player on the field. Max Krause is about the second best player on the field. But this guy might be the third best player of the field. We're going to direct snap it to him. You watch Chip Kelly, he's just running a normal offense. It's like, I thought this guy was like this innovative guy. No, what he is is he's running an all-time scam. And he got $18 million, more power to him. But that is going to go down as one of the most insane hires in recent memory, especially when you factor and he got that much money. Because who

are you bidding against? What was he making at Ohio State? Two and a half million dollars? You had to almost 3x his money? The guy went from this kind of legendary person to just turned into this mercenary chasing cash and he was good at it, but

left UCLA a couple years ago high and dry, went to Ohio State was a huge reason that they lost to Michigan for the four straight year as a 20-point favorite. last year running one of the worst game plans you've ever seen. Obviously got hot in the playoffs and parlayed that into getting fired before Thanksgiving. And listen, Pete Carroll's fired a lot of coaches.

And typically when you fire a coordinator in a situation that's getting really ugly, you're next. So I think at this point in time, if I was a betting man, I would say Pete Carroll's going to be won and done. And, you know, speaking of that game, obviously Shadour just gave the Brownie. and a little life. I mean, Dylan Gabriel is not good. You know, I'm not going to act like Shador is the second coming here of Patrick Mahomes. Let's see him play a real team because right now the Raiders are not a real team. That's, you know, that's like a minor league operation.

Pretty embarrassing, honestly. And that's back to Pete Carroll. Like, I don't know what's going on, but you only play who's on the schedule. Shadour had a couple just explosive plays down the field. Kind of refreshing if you're a Browns fan. And I think he showed enough, like he's starting the rest of the year. And if I'm Jimmy Haslam and they show the picture of like the GM with his laptop and Jimmy behind him on his phone like scrolling Twitter or looking at Babes on Instagram or something, I think Jimmy just play him. I appreciate the Browns too, bringing Deshaun Watson to mentor, Chador, quite the combination.

But to me the story for the Browns is I've been watching football a long time. Miles Garrett and I wasn't old enough to remember Lawrence Taylor beside the highlights on YouTube. and obviously the way people talk about them. And you just watch the highlights. I mean, you'd show up Benders on crack and then get three sacks against Joe Montana. Belichick and Parcells, you know, will go to their grave calling him the greatest defensive player of all time. The greatest defensive players I've seen would probably be like Reggie White, Ray Lewis,

Ed Reed. There's a short list of guys. Miles Garrett is every bit as good as any of those guys. And today, he was. just a man amongst boys. And I get the Raiders offensive lines is in shambles, but they might as well I had me out there.

They might as well I had a cone out there because it did not matter. He had three sacks. You know, he has 18 now on the season. I think my producer, Shane was telling me he's got like 13 in this month. He is just an absolute wrecking ball of domination coming off the edge.

I mean, he looks like a, great God, his ability to bend an explosion and tenacity. I stand by what I said. I do believe that they should have traded them just because their team is so bad. I mean, they're going to win four games with a guy that's going to end up with like 25, 28 sacks. But I also can understand if you're the owner, are we ever going to have a player this good again? But if you just go, who are the best players in the history of the Browns?

You'd be like, Jim Brown, Miles Garrett, like, that's kind of Joe. Thomas. It's a pretty short list of all-time great players. And like I do get it. Like we just need someone that some of our fans can be proud of. And you know, when Shador hit the big bomb early in the game, you saw his excitement.

So if you're going to motivate him just with a little more juice, the Browns just today became a little more interesting while the Raiders all-time circled the drain moment. I mean, God, that was embarrassing. The stat Stucky had given me is the Browns since 2000 have started 17 guys have made their debut for the Cleveland Browns and they were 0 and 17. Well, Shadour ended that today.

Speaking of streaks that ended, I can't imagine how often you're up 21-0 in the first half and you lose a game. Right. Nick Siriani was 55 and 22 coming into this game. And I would imagine any time he's at a 20 plus point lead in a game. in a game, he's won the majority of them. There's not at one point in time in that first half that I think the Cowboys could win. And then it just started getting weird. Me and Colin were going to go early.

And it's like, God, now it's 2114. And I just, I can't even describe what I witnessed. An all-time meltdown of just doing nothing. What I don't get is they come out the Eagles and they're just slicing and dice in the Cowboys. And A.J. Brown looks fantastic. he's into it. Devante's making plays. Jalen's got a rhythm. And then the second half starts and it's just like, punt, punt, punt, punt,

punt, miss field goal, punt. I was like, how? I don't get it. And I saw Sequin have some comments after the game trying to put it on himself saying that he's been a non-factor all season. I do think there's some truth of that. I don't know if he's, you know, had a huge year, maybe feeling himself a little bit in the offseason.

But like their offensive line. clearly is nowhere near what it was last year. But a huge reason that they were such a dominant team last year is he had like seven or eight runs of over 50 yards. Obviously he had, whatever, he had 2,000 rushing yards on the season. He had one of the truly great, you know, just years for a running back that you will ever see. But there is no explosive big play capability from their running game. and clearly when they just have to depend on the past

throughout the entire game, they can't maintain it. And I've had people DMing me and texting me. I know a lot of Eagle fans in my life. Like, how can this guy who is right now, I don't know how many touchdowns he's thrown on the season, but he only has thrown one interception. Like Jalen does not turn it over.

You can go through these stretches where it just looks like he is, like there is no, nothing happened. It's like, what did I just witness out of those three plays? And the knock on him has been that when you play zone, he will just dink and dunk.

He will not press the envelope down the field. And I do think that's indicative of the number of he hasn't thrown any picks because he's not willing to take chances. And you watch as this game, now granted, their backs against the wall, they need to push the ball. But like, DAC consistently,

you know, in moments. Now, granted, sometimes, where Dak does his scariest work is when he's down like 21, 24, 28, nothing. That's where Dak can put up some hollow stats. But today, he played legitimate high-level football. And George Pickens has thoroughly outplayed CD-Lamp. I will take a huge out. Jalen has 17 touchdowns.

But when you watch him play, especially when they go through these ruts, he does not feel like a guy with a 17-1 touchdown to interception ratio. Because he's not willing to take chances. And clearly looking back on that game, it's like, well, they had a game plan, and he felt comfortable with the first 10, 15 plays. But as the game goes on, it just kind of gets bogged down in the mud, and it just goes nowhere. And then their running game doesn't exist because their interior offensive lines and shambles,

obviously Lane Johnson's injured, Sequin, I don't know if he's lost a step, he just doesn't have the same burst. And all of a sudden, George Pickens looks like, I don't know, Terrell Owens meets Randy Moss. and he's been elite. He's outplayed C.D. Lamb. He simply has. And he had some comments last week,

clearly matured. Now, you could argue some guys, you've got to be careful about people in contract years, but he is a dominant, dominant player. And let's face it, like Cid Lam's had stretches this year where it's like kind of underwhelming. Had a lot of big drops.

I mean, one of the reasons that they lost, they easily could be six, four and one, if it wasn't for C.D. Lambs, big drops, week one against Philadelphia. He had more today. But George Pick is like, don't worry, I got you. And he does. And he did today. He had a massive game.

I mean, the last two weeks, he has 20 catches, 300 yards, and two touchdowns. He has been as good of a player as anyone in the NFL. And Jerry deserves a lot of credit because everyone was shitting on him. You can't trade Michael Parsons. Well, he did. And they've been fine. And honestly, adding Quinn and Williams,

their defense looks dramatically better because you put him next to Clark they just feel much more of like a solidified unit and then offensively the other thing is Giovante Williams was a guy is like oh this guy shot

don't mess with him he runs his ass off so you put him with Ferguson even though CD is kind of hit or miss this year the threat of him takes so much pressure off George I mean George is every bit as good as the number two wide receivers

there has been in the NFL in 2025. And now there's going to be a lot of pressure on the Cowboys that even Dak said, like I can't imagine him going anywhere. I want him here. So you would imagine Jerry's going to pay him. And there's going to be a lot of pressure on their draft picks this offseason. But that was a fantastic win. Brian Schadenheimer deserves a lot of credit.

Another guy that everyone shit on. Everyone just took a... Pull their pants down and took a dump on the hire. I'm probably guilty as well. There is no disputing that he's excellent with Dak. and the offense throughout the majority of the season has been awesome. I also thought I was like, you're going to put a wild card human like George Pickens

on Brian Schottenheimer. It feels a little unfair. And he's thrived. So he deserves credit for that as well. Like he can handle personalities. He's getting the best out of his players. So if I'm Jerry, I'm taking a pretty big victory lap all week long,

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We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was...

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories

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The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis. And I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs. And on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jen Chinchin win. I mean, she went down to three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me.

And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Somehow in this podcast internet business that we're all in, I've inherited a lot of Giants fans in my life. And the one thing I will say, and I've always said this, us on the West Coast, and having been in radio and just a lot of my friends are big nineer people, when they suck,

no one pays attention. People stop watching them. Yet having lived in Philly, knowing all these Giants people, New England, in the Northeast, it's kind of like the SEC. Even when you suck, they're still going to consume it.

They kind of need it. And they try to find positive little elements to the team and to the operation, little things they can hold on to for the future, which I appreciate. Like, I love this. I do this for a living. I can talk football, any team with anybody. And I do wonder, and I mentioned this to Cowher today,

that if the Giants would have made James Winston the backup from the jump, and honestly even made him the starting quarterback from the jump and then when they went to Jackson Dart just turned James to the backup would Brian Dayball still have a job because clearly James is a lot better than Russell Wilson. Now he's clearly a wild card

and the Lions defense is in shambles. Like they have issues. They can't stop anybody. It looks like the same exact thing from last year. Explosive plays, guys wide open, and this is not Mario Manningham,

Odell Beckham and Malik neighbors running around out there. It's Wondale Robinson and a bunch of randos. You know, Cam Scadaboo's getting into it with people on Twitter because he has a cast on his leg. Bitching and moaned about him going to Monday Night Raw. So the players James is throwing to will probably not be on the team in a couple years.

Yet you look up, he's thrown for over 350 yards, he catches a touchdown, breaks tackles. I respect Dan Campbell a lot. and him making the Lions respectable is as impressive as anything you'll ever see. Like, it should not happen and it happened. It's like when Jim Harbaugh showed up at Stanford and they were 1-11.

A couple years later, they're in a BCS game. It's like, how did you do this? It's like will, determination, heart. But once you get to the highest level, you kind of need some players. Like, that's the thing with the Eagles. It's going to be impossible to quit the Eagles going into the playoffs

because you're like, they could beat anybody. They have the players, right? They have the elite blue chip guys at different positions. You look around the lines, you're like, are they good enough? Like, are they? They got Aidan Hutchison, but, you know, Arnold's hurt. Who are these? Like, I don't think they are.

And what we also know about the lions, they got to go on the road. If you tell me they're the wild card and they're going to Philly, they're going to Green Bay, guess what we're all going to do? And I love Jared Goff. I've watched his entire career going back from when he was a freshman on a one-win team at Cal. I'm a huge golf fan.

But he's got serious limitations outdoors. And if it's freezing cold and he's got the two gloves, none of us are going to believe in him. So I do believe and I think the Lions are going to be won and done here come to the playoffs. And the team that's trending a little bit just because at home, if they can win the division, they control it, they still play the Bears twice. That defense is fantastic. And listen, the stats on J.J. McCarthy, I saw something that I put in our group chat, that he was as bad. Basically, the only guy worse through a certain amount of games was Jamarcus Russell. Where'd I put it? I won't even be able to find it. But it was essentially, here it is.

J.J. McCarthy now ranks 851 out of 852 in expected. an EPA per dropback among qualified passers since 2000. So basically the internet era. The only player below McCarthy is a man named Jamarcus Russell. But oh wait, it gets worse. When eliminating dropbacks with quick pressures under 2.5 seconds, J.J. McCarthy's performance against the Packers ranked 34th of 346 quarterback performances this year in EPA per dropback.

When he dropped back today, and really in the entire season, it is stunning when something good happens. Obviously, the Packers are an elite defense. They were flying around. It was my favorite bet on the board, J.J. McCarthy going in the Lambo. I don't know what that number would have had to be to put some money on the Vikings,

but for me, probably would have had to been at minimum 15 plus points. And that game went about as I expected. J.J. McCarthy looks atrocious. And the Packers' defense, listen, they're really good. And if they are able to get home games at Lambeau, they're going to be extremely tough.

Because we know how naturally, like a lot of their games, if it's 10 degrees in the middle of January and you can't feel your hands, you can't feel your feet, it's hard to sling it around. So naturally sometimes in those moments, I remember when the Niners went in there a couple years ago

against Rogers, it was awful weather. There aren't going to be many points to be scored. So you have a huge advantage if you have an elite defense. And historically, the Packers, especially many years with Rogers, didn't have a good defense. Well, now they got a dominant defense with an awesome pass rush. So if I'm the Packers, like, listen, our offense is going to be a little hit or miss.

But if we can get home games at Lambo, we are going to be tough to beat. So clearly you've got to win the division. And who knows with Philly, right? you're going to start rooting for the bears. You want the bears to beat the Eagles, and then you beat the Bears. And speaking of the Bears,

it's been pretty cool if you're a Bears fan because of how shitty you have been. It'd be like if next year the New York Giants are 8 and 3 or 8 and 4, it's like, well, you've played nobody. You're like, I don't care. Have you watched us play for the last decade? We are apologizing to nobody.

And I mentioned this to Coward. Once he got sacked by T.J. Watt and the play in the, end zone where the Pittsburgh fell on it and the Steelers went up 14 to 7 I went I could kind of see them implode in this game and not only did they not implode

I thought Caleb showed a lot of mental fortitude I should I thought he showed a lot of mental toughness and I thought he played the best second half he has all season given how it kind of started how it could have got away from him and he was getting rid of the ball fast he makes explosive plays obviously he's a scrambler he's excellent and the other thing was, for the first time in a while, and the Bears are one of the better rushing attacks in the NFL,

I think technically they're number two. I don't know what they are after today. They were not running the ball well at all. So a lot of pressure, and listen, their defense isn't any good. So the pressure was on Caleb and he came through. Like comparing Caleb Williams and J.J. McCarthy, Caleb Williams, like Joe Montana or Tom Brady compared to J.J. McCarthy. Like, there is no arguing that if you're a Vikings fan,

like, this guy stinks. And it doesn't bring me joy. I'm not rooting against them, but you can't wear that war paint. You can't look like a Viking going out to battle and then play like that. If you're going to wear that war paint, you've got to be good at football.

It works in college if you're on the number one team in the country. It does not work in the pros if you're throwing two or three interceptions a game. So props to Caleb, and luckily if you're a Bears fan, the Vikings are in absolute shambles, and the lions are kind of leaking oil as well. I've said this for a while. the Steelers are in full implosion mode.

They're just not that good. And if it's not for T.J. Watt making some incredible play, they're just not very good. Their offense, I mean, Mason Rudolph was dinking and dunking my eyes to death today. It's like, can you push the ball down the field?

And then he would try it and it wasn't even close. And J.J. Watt, who has a fantastic head of hair. As a bald man who is pretty good judge of other people's lettuce, J.J. Watt, I don't know if he's a tenter. out of 10, that'd be like Brad Pitt, but he's like a nine. Just a remarkable head of lettuce on that man's head. But his brother and that team is going to circle the drain. Now, the Ravens are not very good either.

Lamar Jackson looks like he's like 70% right now. He's clearly banged up. Doesn't quite have the same juice. They were just kind of playing with their food today against the Jets. They still won the game. Henry had a couple touchdowns. But they look kind of like a one and done team as well. Obviously, the Bengals stink and the Browns have three wins,

but at least they're somewhat interesting because they got Miles Garrett and now Shador, but they're not any good as a team either. So the AFC North went from, was it a couple years ago, we're like, that's a best division in football to now being like, that division stinks. So I'd be stunned. It's a one playoff bid division. Whoever wins the division will be the four seed.

And I think depending on who they play, more than likely, they are a one and done team. A couple things now, Monday Night Football. One story that went pretty viral over the weekend, this Brandon I, Yuk situation, and I read Mike Silver and Diana's article. I watched Kyle Shanahan's press conference.

I saw Rapsheet and Garifolo and some of those guys on NFL network chime in. And I got to be honest, as we head to Monday Night Football and I follow this team as close, if not closer than any other team in the league. I'm really confused. I do not quite understand what's going on.

Because the story broke that Iuke is going to give up $25 million and not even fight it. I want, in one, you cannot do that. As a human being, unless you're like Bezos, like I mean super, super rich, no one ever just willingly gives up $25 million. And you'd be like, John, what if something agreed? just happens and he doesn't want it to get out. Well, Kyle Shanahan mentioned yesterday, this situation all started in July.

Well, training camp kind of starts in July. What's the worst thing that could happen? He doesn't show up day one in July. That doesn't get $25 million voided. There are still more holes in this story than there are answers. I do not quite understand what is happening. And we don't have enough details because it does not make sense. It does not pass the sniff test.

Especially when Kyle Shanahan goes, yeah, I take him back. If he's healthy, he'll play. By no means, is it over? Now, maybe he's saying that because some team lawyers tell him to say that. But then Garifolo and Rapsheet are saying, like, yeah, it's not out of the realm possibility

that he still plays this season for the 49ers. I'm like, what? What the fuck are we talking about? This is a story that is typically made for those type teams that win like two or three games. Underrated part about the 49ers in the Shanahan era, they've won a lot of games,

but they've had some weird stuff going on. Now, clearly this situation, they regretted this contract. I feel like the moment the ink dried the day he signed it. If they could have a do-over, over any contract or any situation, probably be Trey Lance because they want the first rounders back, but in terms of a veteran player that they resigned,

it would be this. because this has just been a disastrous situation. Honestly, pretty embarrassing for everyone involved. That you're voiding guarantees. And clearly something weird enough happened that just the guy is not going to fight it. John Lynch's agent is also Brandon Ayuk's agent. I just know this.

There are things that do not add up. They do not pass the smell test. That is this situation. I'm still waiting for more shoes to drop before I like just crush or take a position because even Kyle said never had this happen. What happened? What did he do? Not show up. Not show up gets $25 million voided in what fucking world. That's why you have a player's unit. And then he's like, no, just don't even fight it. What agent and what union representative allows that to happen? Most times in situations

it could be like 300 grand. It could be like an $800,000 bonus and your agent, the union would fight for it. Let alone $25 million. It just, honestly, I'm at a lot. I felt more confused. Like I felt like reading that article, I'm like, this is weird. And then I watch Kyle talk and he's like,

oh, this happened in July. Happened in July. Not enough could happen in July to make this happen. And then I started thinking like, is Kyle trying to be careful about saying something that he'll regret? And then obviously people chimed in today saying that he could come back. I'm like, what? I found myself more confused at the end of the weekend than I did at the beginning when I first read the article. But just the classic situation of what a disaster.

You know, I think the 49ers, if they are able to truly void this money, they got pretty lucky to get out of the situation because they do not want any part of the Brandon I youth business. Now speaking Monday night football, you know, think about it, the Rams, the Eagles, the Lions, the Packers, the Bears. I mean, this is the playoffs. The 49ers and the Panthers, this is a pseudo playoff game as well. Like there is a lot on the line in this game. The one thing I will say, because I think a lot of people,

myself included, right now the line's seven and a half. I do think taking the Panthers plus seven and a half is the right pick. two things though make me a little nervous if I'm taking that bet one from the 49ers perspective they're bright lights team Kyle Shanahan has coached a lot of these Monday and Sunday night games last time I checked he's won a lot of them think about this year Sunday night when he had a bunch of injuries against the Atlanta Falcons dominated them Thursday night with Mack Jones against the LA Rams what happened there won it in overtime now you're playing the Panthers Bryce Young's never played a big game in the pros he either

He just hasn't. Now, I do give him credit. He's shown some metal toughness. He's hung in there. Clearly, Ted McMillan looks like an excellent draft pick. But what have the Panthers been in this environment? Now, if you're going to go into this environment, it's kind of like Shador. Listen, making your first start, a lot of pressure.

Even he admitted, felt like everyone's looking at me. People are rooting for me to fail. It's much easier to go up against the Raiders than like the Packers. So it's much easier if you're the 49ers to play a team. with just a lot of unknowns, than the Rams or Seattle in this spot. But I just have a hard time seeing the Panthers winning on Monday night football

at Levi Stadium. I think the 49ers offense, Kittal, McCaffrey, Pearsall's back now, Juan Jennings. You know, Purdy, obviously, was really good against the Arizona week ago. I think they're scoring 30 plus. And to me, the question is,

obviously the Niners defense, beside, like, Lenore, is a bunch of guys you've never heard of. It's a lot of random players. And no matter how good your defensive coordinator is, in the highest levels of college and the highest, obviously, the NFL, you've got to have some jimmies and joes

to go with the exes nose on defense. I can scheme guys open on offense. Great offensive coordinators have made random guys look good on offense. It's hard to make random guys look good playing defense event. You can either bend the edge, have a bull rush, you know, overwhelm a guard,

or you can't. You can either make an open field tackle or you can't. And that's the question mark with the 49ers. Do they have the jimmies and the Joes that at least can make a couple stops? Now, you're playing a quarterback that Monday night football, a lot of hype, like this bucks and shambles, you're in position to win the division. I mean, if Carolina wins this game, I have a hard time, especially depending on what Baker's injury is,

they're going to be division champs more than likely, as crazy as that sounds. They lose this game, who knows? And I just, I have a hard time closing my eyes and just seeing Bryce Young dominated on Monday Night Football. Maybe I'm wrong. He obviously was good last week against Atlanta.

Ted McMillan's been a stud. Even Legget started showing a little bit. Dwhaddle's good. They got some good offensive pieces. They got a good offensive line went healthy. Dave Conallis has clearly been pretty solid, like he's a good offensive coordinator. I know he's the head coach, but he calls the place.

But I'm taking, I like the 49ers to win. I like Carolina to cover. So I'm taking Carolina plus seven and a half. I like Ricky Pearceau, score a touchdown. I like George Kittle to score touchdown. And I like Ted McMillan to score touchdown. That plays over 20 to 1. So I put that little parlay together on hard rock bet.

So I do think seven and a half with the 49ers defense, especially with a backdoor cover, like the 49ers to win. outright, but that's a lot of points for a defense that's rolling out of practice squad roster. Have a great night. See you later. The volume.

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Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

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Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind,

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