The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Reaction to Ole Miss UPSET vs. Georgia in CFB Playoff Quarterfinal

Episode Date: January 2, 2026

Former NFL scout John Middlekauff and Jackson Groff react LIVE following the conclusion of Ole Miss-Georgia at the Sugar Bowl in the College Football Playoff Quarterfinal. John and Jackson will react ...to each quarterfinal matchup including Indiana's dominant win vs. Alabama in the Rose Bowl, Oregon's impressive shut out performance vs. Texas Tech in the Orange Bowl, and Miami's upset win over the defending champion Ohio State Buckeyes in the Cotton Bowl. John and Jackson will also react to the biggest plays of the quarterfinal, breaking news around college football, and much more! 02:46 - Ole Miss-Georgia 27:13 - Miami-Ohio State 37:18 - Alabama-Indiana 47:31 - HRB CFP Semifinal Picks 58:11 - HRB Natty Picks  1:02:53 - Fixing the CFB Playoff schedule Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Use promo code “3ANDOUT20” on https://nicokick.com/zone for 20% off at checkout! Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:43 The volume. What is going on, everybody, John Middlecoff, three and out podcast. It is a late, late Thursday night. January 1, happy new year. Hopefully you are doing great, enjoying life. And we're going to be. going to talk some football. I got my guy intern Jackson, who's now producer Jackson,
Starting point is 00:03:18 who loves college football. I said, you know what, Jackson, hop on with me tonight, let's talk some, let's react to what just happened today. Obviously, the massive win by the Ole Miss Rebels and beat the Georgia Bulldogs and everything else that happened as well. I recorded a podcast earlier today with Colin, so a lot of content out there. We'll just dive right in, but make sure you subscribe to the podcast, subscribe to the YouTube channel, never miss a thing. on Saturday night, recording a podcast after the Niners Seahawks game. So some people have said it's a pretty big one. A lot on the line.
Starting point is 00:03:55 So we will have you covered. But let's talk to Jackson, everything that went on. Let's just dive right in. That game, you know, the Lane Kiffin saga, Pete Golden getting the job. I think everyone, you know, just found themselves. Obviously, you know, I'm a Kirby. fan how could you not be i mean georgia what he's done it was hard not to pull for old miss and then when you factor in the storyline of this division two quarterback that looks like a right-handed michael
Starting point is 00:04:24 vick out there you know and then you got gunner stockton it was it was theater it was cinema it was freaking awesome that game was an absolute delight and uh listen i i don't pretend to be uh old miss historian but i googled they won a national championship in 1962 I think the last couple of years the first time ever. They've won back-to-back regular seasons where they won 10-plus wins to beat the best team currently in the SEC, the standard of the SEC,
Starting point is 00:04:57 in a playoff game. That has to be definitely of my lifetime, probably not even a close second, the biggest win for Ole Miss. And for Pete Golding to do it as, you know, he's not the interim head coach, he is the head coach, him taking over with Joe Judge
Starting point is 00:05:13 screwing up the end of the half. that was, I was thinking, I can't imagine not loving football. Like watching, I get if you're watching the Oregon, Texas Tech game, you're like, middle cup, this kind of boring. That game was, it doesn't get any better when it comes to entertainment. You know, we were talking before we hit record. The Chicago Niner game was just offensive fireworks.
Starting point is 00:05:40 There was no defense played in that game. Tonight, I mean, guys were getting blasted. There were great plays on both sides. Ole Miss, who I would say doesn't have a great defense, at least if you watch them play this season. I thought it was coming up with huge stops. We're playing their ass off. The one big D-Lyman batted down, it felt like seven balls.
Starting point is 00:05:59 That was sweet. Golding, you know, in his first game, pretty calm and collected on the sideline. What a win for Old Miss. What a night for college football. And let's face it, the number one conference for about the last 15 plus years. You could argue it's a little down the last couple years,
Starting point is 00:06:17 given that they haven't won a national championship. Kind of kind of saved the day. I just can't believe back-to-back years, Kirby Smart in the quarterfinal. I don't even know what its press conference is going to be, but I'm sure it's going to be just like it has been the entire week about these first-round buys, one and seven, back-to-back years where Gunner Stockton had more experience
Starting point is 00:06:36 in a quarter-final game against a Division 2 quarterback. And it's going to be those two plays, The one with the fourth and three on their own 30, 35 yard line, goes for it, runs some kind of like, I don't know, swing pass or whatever, get stuffed. And then the third and five, Chambliss has over 300 yards passing. No timeouts. And you're going to run man coverage when he's been, when he's been toasting him for the entire game. Like, I don't know. That's just head scratching to me.
Starting point is 00:07:02 You obviously got to capitalize and give credit to Ole Miss. But like, is he being a little cocky? Like, I don't understand it on God's green earth. why you go man coverage with 20 seconds left on his own 30 yard line when he's been dusting you for the entire game. See, I think you can rewind it on that final drive when they had the ball. And number 14 had got the PI. He had got the holding penalty, which probably is a touchdown, right?
Starting point is 00:07:26 If he doesn't hold him on that kind of that double route they ran, he would have been wide open. They had the ball. Ole Miss only had two timeouts. And they ran it and they ran it and they called both timeouts. And it was like, I think they were on like six or six. seven-yard line. If you run the ball, you are kicking the game-tying field goal with, what, 20 seconds left? I do think when you chose to pass it there, and again, he had got greedy with the fourth down,
Starting point is 00:07:51 but okay, that's in the past. You're in position, at minimum to go to overtime. You've been in the situation way more than this other operation, their coaching staff, brand new, you got Joe Judge and Golding now running the game management, and Pete's second game he's ever coached. And let's face it, like no shade to Tulane. What they did was a heck of a season. Their coach is now of Florida. This is a different world. And go to overtime with them. Like to me, if you're Georgia, they got greedy on that pass. And listen, it's not like, well, the guy dropped it. I mean, the DB was right in front of them. Hell, the DB could have caught it. I mean, it was like, I thought that play, run the ball, obviously a low percentage you're going to score, though you'd
Starting point is 00:08:36 kind of been leaning on them. Now, the stud back hurt his knee and, you know, her ankle and was out. Still, you get stuff for no yards. Kick the field goal. They get the ball back. 20 seconds, even in college football. This isn't the NFL. You kick it out of bounds, start at the 20. I would say you're going to overtime, what? 90 plus percent chance. I thought he got greedy there. So when he missed that and all of a sudden you look at 59 seconds, I also think Golding did a good job. The first play on that drive, he didn't want to risk like an incompletion and then all of a sudden go like three and out with like 35, maybe even 40 seconds, punt it, they'd have three timeouts because you know he's going to try to pass. They ran it on the first play. It was actually sneaky good clock
Starting point is 00:09:20 management because even if that play you're talking about on the one-on-one coverage on the outside, let's say that never happens and they just, you know, run five, six seconds and they have to punt it. there was still like it would have been under 30 seconds you would have still listen it would have been tough they they had three timeouts but they kind of manipulated a little bit I thought I thought Kirby got he's greedy a lot rightfully so right he runs a fake punt he's got balls but I also think there's a balance of being reckless and I thought like God I would have ran the ball there be a little conservative I think some of these guys you see it with Dan landing a lot like going for it all the time it's like
Starting point is 00:10:00 Dan, this is a low-scoring game, like points matter. And I just think you're in this mindset. We can score, we can score it. Well, what if you don't? And Ole Miss, who is not exactly known as like some defensive juggernaut in the SEC, made some big plays tonight. And you can't expose their DBs as much, you know, on the 6-7-yard line as you can if it was at the 30-yard line because the one guy was getting, you know, spun like a dreidel.
Starting point is 00:10:26 So to me, that's one Kirby. I think you run the, hell, kneel the ball. ball and just run the clock out and play for overtime. That, that, because you gave the ball back with this guy's red hot with 60 seconds left. Yeah. And I mean, I don't know if I'm more shocked. If you would have told me two years ago that Indiana is going to the semifinals and beat Alabama or that a division two quarterback would beat Kirby Smart in the quarterfinal with
Starting point is 00:10:50 a quarterback that's played the entire year played really well. You got two quarterbacks playing backyard football. And for him to throw over 300 yards, which we all thought, including myself after that as he changed a game that the Georgia's defense was back. George's playing better. This is the Georgia defense we all expected. And for that entire second half, it was like they could not adjust to the passing game. And it felt like not only the passing game, but it was just scrambling, the off script,
Starting point is 00:11:11 the backyard football. And that's where you give Trinidad Chambers. We're texting the group chat. It's like, yeah, he made that throw probably a billion times playing Division 2 football, just rolling out to his right, throwing it on his helmet. I don't know if he's an NFL prospect, but if that guy can get an extra year of eligibility for Chambliss and what he's done, coming in in that Kentucky game, and when all the pressure, all the stuff was on Austin Simmons,
Starting point is 00:11:31 and he was going to be the next quarterback, and he gets heard and Chambliss comes in. Like, I remember the day where Chamblis got signed for Ole Miss, and it was like, oh, cool, some cute Ferris State transfer, 800th ranked transfer, 60th ranked transfer portal quarterback. Like, you talk about Signetti and what his impact is in terms of portal recruiting. This has opened up not even the FCS of the Division 2 people looking like, hey, why don't I go get this Ferris State quarterback?
Starting point is 00:11:58 not saying it's to make the impact of Chambliss, but at cheaper price, low risk, high reward. You end up going to the semifinals with this guy. It's unbelievable. I think it's one of the coolest stories in the early part of the transfer portal era. It will happen again. It's inevitable. This used to happen in the NFL. I mean, it still kind of does, not as often and won't any more than transfer portal era. But like, I bet if you go back to the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, these guys from obscure schools becoming star players, you know, D2 players or D1AA players. Well, Steve McNair, I think was a D1A player at Alcorn State, you know, went on to win the MVP.
Starting point is 00:12:39 That situation is just not going to happen as much because now Steve McNair after a year would be at Alabama or would be at Texanem or something. And, you know, Chambliss, I mean, I would say that that was as much fun as I've had watching. And I would say Gunter Stockton, too, the way he played. He was like a slower version, but kind of got a little Johnny Manzell to his game. I mean, the one hit he took, that's as hard of a hit in the pros or college as you will ever see anymore. And it was a legal hit.
Starting point is 00:13:10 The guy led with his shoulder, hit him kind of like in his chest plate. He almost did, you know, a full somersault in air. And there's no way he remember scoring on the next play when he just, I just think they pushed him in. He might not remember the rest of the game. but the Trinidad, I don't think most people, a lot of casual fans came in, a lot of people that probably watched more NFL, maybe than college, are watching this game at home, and are going, who is this guy? I mean, his physical skills, you know, his arm strength, his accuracy, his mobility,
Starting point is 00:13:44 his poise. I mean, the throw he made on, like you said, that third and five, how, one, if he leads him, maybe the guy can tackle him, but he kind of left. let him in. And maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe I could have been a slight miss. It actually worked out better throwing it a little inside because he could kind of turn it up and gain, I don't know, what do you gain an extra 10, 15 yards after he caught the ball? My jaw dropped when he completed that pass because you were like, they won the game.
Starting point is 00:14:15 Because the field goal kickers in this game turns out they got like, I don't know, two Adam Venetaries. I'm speechless. And then you go to the flip side of things that the portal opens up tomorrow. So it's like you have your offensive coordinator. You got all these other coaches that are kind of playing the two sides of LSU and Ole Miss. And you got to play in the semifinals next week. You got Lane Kiffin Tween about it. He's excited for Portal Day Eve.
Starting point is 00:14:38 Like I don't know the insides of how much influence Charlie Weiss has in terms of the portal. Maybe he kind of looks over, hey, these are some guys that declared early that I like. I don't know the influence and how much he has compared to the scouting department, compared to the general manager, even Lane Kiffin. But that's another added element. but for Lane Kiffin, how much did he make tonight? A million dollars? $200,000 for not even coaching tonight.
Starting point is 00:15:00 Like that agreement to it too is kind of weird how you can't coach your team. What was that? Was Ole Miss going to still pay him or was it LSU going to pay him the Ole Miss bonuses? Yeah, Ole Miss agreed to pay all the CFP payouts if they continue to win. I think he made $200,000 when they won the first game. Might double, who knows, $250,000. I haven't checked Twitter or whatever, but that's kind of a weird. I don't know how that came to an agreement.
Starting point is 00:15:23 I don't know if it was one or the other, but that's kind of like, it's got to have a little sour taste. I thought he was the big, you know, financially, a couple hundred grand to him at this point means nothing. But the outcome of the game, I actually think he's a big loser tonight because I didn't think this was possible. Not in a million years. I thought they would beat Georgia. I just thought the defense would let them down. Obviously, their defense made enough plays in the quarterback and the offense was incredible. And that they had a, I don't know, a spark.
Starting point is 00:15:53 a juice, a momentum to them all game long. I thought they played really well tonight. They just had a lacy fumble that was a disaster. The end of the half situation where the kid stays in bounds. I mean, you crushed Joe Judge and I get it. And listen, I used to make fun, you know, before you guys were a part of this podcast, you know, Joe Judge was an easy target. That's just like football 101.
Starting point is 00:16:17 Like, it is a little bit on the player, especially both guys, the route they ran. There was a guy on each side sitting like, you know, three or four yards past the line of scrimmage. They have to be like, if he dumps it down, just go right out of bounds. I put that a little bit more on the player. I'm sure they've practiced that situation, you know, back with Lane. But this, you beat Georgia. Now, you're in the semifinals.
Starting point is 00:16:39 I think it's a double whammy. One, it's a remarkable accomplishment for the post-lane Kiff in Ole Miss. Like Pete gets the credit for tonight, right? He beat, he had this group ready to beat Georgia. and I think this adds now pressure, which there already was a ton on lane. Like, you better be in the final four. I don't know, within like the next two years.
Starting point is 00:17:02 Or like, we're going to have problems. And I texted you guys, we'll see what actually plays out. I do wonder now, you beat Georgia. That was the equivalent, like when Indiana beat Ohio State. Like, turns out Indiana just might win the whole thing. But their season at that moment, was kind of made for like program history.
Starting point is 00:17:23 Like this is a program historic moment for Ole Miss. I wonder if all the, all the cats that you've kind of been letting do both roles, and there have been articles written, that it's a bizarre situation. You know, it's not like Oregon where everyone's cool with each other. This is a situation where it's like, are some of these guys rogue?
Starting point is 00:17:41 I do wonder if they say, like, just stay in Louisiana, you guys are done. And that includes Charlie, who I've read quotes. Pete likes them. But it would not shock me at all if in the next 24 hours, Ole Miss basically announced it's like all the holdover guys are not back and we're just rolling with the group we got. Pete's guys. I think they've added like who was the interim for LSU. They hired him, you know, because I think his name, not Frank Smith.
Starting point is 00:18:11 Frank Brown maybe. Yeah, well, there was a Penn State guy and there was an LSU guy. Yeah, Terry Smith was the Penn State guy. And he stayed at Penn State. This guy who was like a Louisiana legend is coming to Ole Miss. My guess would be if I ran Ole Miss and I was Pete, I'd be like, hey, if you want to kick them all out, we'll just roll. Like our season, I think their season, obviously you're at the Final Four, you won the whole thing. I think it was the whole Lane Kiffin thing.
Starting point is 00:18:41 If you're Ole Miss, you feel like you won the night. Like you won this. It felt weird. It felt like you got screwed. And now it feels like you kind of won the divorce. in the short term at least. And you go, well, when's he going to make the funnel four? I think the assumption, too, was that Trinidad Chambliss,
Starting point is 00:18:57 if he could get a waiver because of an injury he had in 2022, that he was going to leave Ole Miss and go to LSU. You win a game like this with, I don't know, they're going to build him a statue. I mean, biggest win in program history, I don't know how he decides to leave if he does get that opportunity to play another season. Who knows, maybe Lane Kiven has other opportunities.
Starting point is 00:19:15 Maybe he's got a vision to go to Soresby or go to Sam Levitt or there's a lot of quarterbacks in the portal. right now in the next couple days, right? Yeah. So he could easily just kind of be forced. I can't wait to sign a guy. And hopefully I was, if Chambliss had even got the opportunity in one tonight to go to LSU,
Starting point is 00:19:33 that would suck. And I've never been anti-LSU, but I'm kind of, I wouldn't mind seeing Lane, like, have a little struggle, you know, after the night.
Starting point is 00:19:40 Like, that was, that was just like a very, I want to say organic. I mean, they steal a bunch of guys in the transfer portal too. But that, that was a really kind of pure.
Starting point is 00:19:49 college. Like that was badass. You know, that was bad. Because Indiana, historically, my wife was saying tonight. She's like, let's root for the underdog. Indiana. I'm like, well, Maria, they're a touchdown favorite in this game. Like, yeah, historically, Alabama is the most
Starting point is 00:20:06 national championships. This is the losingest program. But currently, Indiana is favored big in this game. People expect them to win. They just beat Ohio State. They're really good. And then they won 38 to three. And once you watch that game, you're like, Yeah, it wasn't even that close.
Starting point is 00:20:22 Where this, I mean, there couldn't have been many people in the South, in the SEC, honestly, probably around Ole Miss. They felt good about going into this game that we were going to beat Georgia, right? And then you beat him in the fashion in which you beat them. I think that's part of it too. It'd be, they were up 10 points in the second half. That would have been cool just to like win the game by 10, right? Win at like 40 to 32 or whatever.
Starting point is 00:20:45 To be down or tied late and get the ball back and drive in that moment by, Trinidad was badass. That was sick. And listen, if, now, Anthony Richardson and Trey Lance, some of these guys are a lot bigger, right? They're taller. I don't know how tall Trinidad is, but I think he's like 5-11, right? So part of being a good NFL prospect is not necessarily like what you do in college. It's a lot about attributes and physical traits.
Starting point is 00:21:16 And whether that's right or wrong, we could argue until we're blue in the face. lot of times it is wrong. And I'm not saying just because those guys went in the top five, he's going to go in the first round. My point is, we have seen guys all the time get way over drafting the first round. This guys can get drafted in the NFL. That's my point. I don't know how high if he didn't want to come out. Now, he could, he'd probably be a third day pick because he's really short. I think we're going to trend away from short quarterbacks. But he can get drafted. Now, he, I would want to come back and make $4 million to be the Ole Miss quarterback. It pays more than being a six-round pick. But he's going to, you do that tonight on
Starting point is 00:21:56 that stage and what he's done all season long in the SEC. He's going to get a shot in the NFL, even if he's on the practice squad for a while. Like, he changed, listen, and Lane and Charlie Weiss deserve credit. There's a story where I think Charlie Weiss was watching him in the recruiting office, or like in his office with some recruiting guys, and they called Lane. Like, you got to check this guy out. And within like an hour they'd offer him a scholarship. And he wasn't even supposed to be the starter, right?
Starting point is 00:22:22 There's Austin Simmons who got hurt. He comes in. And I heard someone that covers Ole Miss said, I think in the spring game, he had like five drives for five touchdowns. People like, damn, who's this guy? But it wasn't. What were you saying?
Starting point is 00:22:37 It was the 800th transfer portal. Yeah, 850th 4th transfer 60th rank transfer. It's the coolest. Like we have seen Boat, Knicks or guys that were like discounted, go on to resurrect their career. He was also like a five-star or four-star in Auburn, you know? This is by far so far the coolest. This is up there with like Jared Verst from Albany, going to Florida State,
Starting point is 00:23:03 now being like one of the best players in the NFL. But it's also different at quarterback. And Jared Verst, because his quarterback got injured, didn't even get a chance to make the funnel four, right? That's part, you know, that when you factor it all in, I would put this right up there with Verse and Albany as being the coolest transfer portal story so far. Now, Verst gets drafted in the top 20, right? So he was clearly like, God, this guy's sweet.
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Starting point is 00:30:52 I'm looking at some of their defensive guys. The only real guy that's going to get drafted high is C.J. Allen, their linebacker, but for the most part, I thought their defensive line was pretty weak compared to what you see from the other Georgia days. They kind of looked like the defense that they played the first time against Ole Miss. And then they got a possession late in that game. I think, you know, Trinidad Chambers obviously looked a lot more shaking up in that big moment versus tonight.
Starting point is 00:31:13 He looked like he was like another Division II game that he was playing in. especially after Ohio State losing last night. You know, you had the upset. I mean, Oregon won, Indiana one. Like, I don't know where you go from here if you're Kirby Smart. You got a lot of talent offensively, but that defense, you're a defensive guy like that. You did make some dumb calls. Maybe it's not, maybe it's too big of an overreaction.
Starting point is 00:31:32 You're maybe two or three plays away. They just won the SEC. I think we have to look at the playoffs a little bit closer like the NCAA tournament. You can have an unreal year. You have one bad game in the round of third. or the Sweet 16, you just get bounced. You know, before three, four years ago, there's four teams in and they're one of the four teams.
Starting point is 00:31:55 And losing in that, you know, of one of those first two games, doesn't feel as bad as losing in the eight. So it's, it's just going to feel bad. You know, it's like, that's part of what playoffs is so cool. You know, it happens in the NFL all the time. A two or three seed will lose to a six or seven seed. the Cowboys a couple years ago. They get rolled by the Packers, right, as the seven seat.
Starting point is 00:32:22 Well, that's football. Eli Manning won a couple of Super Bowls as a wild card. You know, it's just going to happen more and more. Now, I know everyone, you know, whatever, they won and seven in the buy games. You're going to have part of the playoffs. You're going to have good matchups, right? I mean, that's just part of the deal. Like Texas Tech, I have no problem with them getting up.
Starting point is 00:32:44 They drew Oregon. That's, you know, these guys, Ole Miss just went 11 and 1 in the SEC. Like, they're pretty good, right? I mean, it's not like they weren't a 20-point underdog here. They got a lot of good play. I mean, if Lane Kiffin would have stayed, let's say he never leaves the LSU,
Starting point is 00:33:03 maybe this doesn't feel as crazy. I mean, shit, they almost beat him in the regular season. I remember we were all texting about it when that game was, Ole Miss, that game was in Georgia. they were beating them like in the fourth quarter and then Trinidad and that's what was cool about tonight is in that game he kind of imploded and tonight I was like I'm fine I'm ready for this moment
Starting point is 00:33:24 I wonder if you look back at that game between the hedges if it kind of like you know calloused him a little bit he was just more poised more like I can do this because he melted a little bit in that moment he did and he not only didn't melt tonight he, I don't know, became a college football legend, which is awesome. I mean, that's the cool part about college sports. And that's, you know, watching like the halftime.
Starting point is 00:33:57 It's like Tim Tebow. Now, I'm not comparing Trinidad to Tim Tebow, but, like, you don't have to go on to have a great NFL career. I've heard Trinidad, like, he's really impressive. Like, he could be part of this operation, like, be an SEC guy for a long time. Matt Liner and Brady Quinn are the go-to guys for Fox. They were first-round picks, but they're college football legendary individuals at Notre Dame at SC. And it's like now he is entrenched kind of in that world the rest of his life.
Starting point is 00:34:27 If he wants to, you know, if his NFL career, I don't watch much CFL football, but I feel like he could, I'd say the same Diego Pavia. I feel like those guys would dominate up there. Diego Pavia, Tommy Costiano, Trinidad Chamblis. I mean, sign me up for some CFO football
Starting point is 00:34:46 with those three guys, mobile quarterbacks moving around. Were you more shocked Ole Miss winning tonight or Miami beating Ohio State? Uh, more shocking tonight because when you watch Miami play Ohio State,
Starting point is 00:34:59 you're like, Miami has like probably seven and eight guys are going to get drafted this year. They have, I don't know, one of the best teams money can buy. I had a,
Starting point is 00:35:11 Scouting buddy texts me, he's like, bro, you don't understand how much money this team is spending right now in this roster. Not that Old Miss doesn't spend anything, but, you know, I don't expect Old Miss to be Georgia. When you watch Miami, you're like, well, the players are the same. And one big difference in that game, I thought Carson Beck was a lot better than saying. I had a couple drives in the second half, but he was getting rattled. He was, I heard one of the guys on three say, you know, his five sacks, he lost 42 yards. So on average, he's losing over eight yards a sack. Why?
Starting point is 00:35:44 He's going backwards when he gets pressure. Where Carson, it's not like they weren't getting pressure on Carson. He just went forward. And some of the times he ran, and some of the times he just would run into a throw. He would step up in the pocket. Well, for four years or whatever, because you forget, he was the backup to Stetson Bennett. So who do you think was running scout team against Jordan Davis, Nolan Smith, all those guys? He just has way more...
Starting point is 00:36:13 You watch Carson Beck. Obviously, these two quarterbacks tonight, compared to, like, Ty, and Fernando, compared to Ty Simpson and saying, it was, now saying, or, I mean, Simpson's clearly banged up, and he's just, he's probably just a guy, and I doubt he ever starts again at Alabama
Starting point is 00:36:28 now that other guy's in. You would imagine he's a starter next year. But, like, saying, like, is that as good as you can do at Ohio State? I know he's a big recruit, and he comes from Alabama, but I don't know. I mean, I,
Starting point is 00:36:40 it's not exactly C.J. Stroud back there. And the other thing is last time Ohio State lost like that, two years ago, Ryan Day blamed it all on Kyle McCord. Remember? It was like, Kyle McCord's not good enough and they lost to Michigan. And then he went to Syracuse and was awesome. And obviously they went to Will Howard who brought like, and Riley Leonard was the same kind of deal.
Starting point is 00:37:07 They brought this like physical running presence. and Sanza's not. I didn't realize Carson Beck did really, but last night he's like, fuck it. How many time, I mean, he ran over guys. You know, you saw the two quarterbacks tonight, like they were not. You've got to play this game like it's John Elway in the Super Bowl,
Starting point is 00:37:23 like helicoptering. And some guys did it, and some guys are kind of hesitant to do it. And maybe, I mean, Sam really can't run. But, I mean, I think the quarterback play, when you watch teams that won, I mean, Mendoza was really good, but they were killing him.
Starting point is 00:37:38 but he was, like, you compare Mendoza to San, it wasn't even, or I mean, Ty Simpson wasn't even close. Dante Moore, I thought, was you kind of hit or miss today? But compared to that quarterback, who actually felt bad for making fun of because I saw his postgame press conference, he was crying, he loves the Red Raiders. But he was, that was atrocious. That was, that, he couldn't have been much worse. At one point time, it's like 13-0, you're like, they're in the red zone, and he throws a pick. The guy didn't even need to jump. He's like, is this serious?
Starting point is 00:38:08 So quarterback, obviously line of scrimmage play is a big deal. We talk about that with Miami and Indiana, but your quarterback play then has to thrive behind it. Mendoza thrived was just dominant. Carson Beck, I know his numbers, like he didn't throw for 300 yards. I think he was like 140. I thought he was excellent. And I've always been a hater, but I was like, he played a big time winning football game. And both the quarterbacks tonight, like, it's not Gunner Stockton's fault they lost.
Starting point is 00:38:37 He was getting killed. He was good. He's gotten way better than the guy that I thought. Like he's a good player. Like you said. Their defense used to be a lot more dominant, but what they mentioned, and you were saying this about your big Notre Dame fan,
Starting point is 00:38:53 well, their starting center at Indiana is from Notre Dame. And I started thinking, like, why would he leave Notre Dame? And it's like, well, because the guy he replaced is coming back and he was going to start. Well, think about it. So Notre Dame, like a Georgia, like a Texas, like an Oregon. They used to go too deep with like start Georgia.
Starting point is 00:39:12 Used to have back, Jalen Carter, you know, Jordan David, they were going too deep with guys like that. Mikel Williams, Walker. I mean, Walker's like backing up Nolan Smith, you know, and they're rotating in with these guys. Well, as the transfer portal, sometimes guys are loyal. And some guys are like, well, do I want to get 10, 20 snaps? That's Kirby's big thing. we have the most guys in the SEC that play minimum, you know, seven to ten snaps a game,
Starting point is 00:39:40 which sounds great, but the guy's like, well, I could play 40 snaps at Vanderbilt, or I could play, I could be a starter at Ole Miss, or hey, Kurt Signetti called me and says, hey, you'll be my starting tight end instead of my rotating tight end behind Brock Bowers or whoever the guy is now. And those guys leave now, right? Because it's not just money, which obviously factors in. But I've been. a lot of these schools like we'll pay you too but it's like I'm going to get paid and start so that to me is that's change college football that's why I think Oregon kind of gets a little benefit of the doubt too because Dan landing plays a lot of guys and they're all young so yes like
Starting point is 00:40:18 you might not get the amount of reps as you would get at other school but if you're rotating you have an opportunity to win a championship like most at least the retention rate for them for Notre Dame we'll see what Georgia happens after this night but I feels like the retention rate of some of those higher schools because they know how long the postseason in how long I'm how many games you play, they're not as prone to get a lot of guys to leave as, well, it's not a good example, but Iowa State, they lost a ton of guys because of their coach. But you know what I mean? Like, I feel like the retention rate on some of those bigger schools versus kind of the medium power for schools that just only, especially offensive line. I mean, you're only playing five
Starting point is 00:40:51 guys. You're not rotating offensive line unless they get hurt. So exactly. So I bet if you went to some of like Savans grade teams, his backup offensive linemen were 10-year NFL pros, which is going to be harder if that guy has to wait till his redshirt sophomore. year. So it's like, wait, you want me to not play for two seasons? I think a lot of guys you get paid as a true freshman, whatever. By the time you get to a redshirt freshman year, you're like, I'm a five-star and I'm clearly not starting this year. Then you start thinking, that's where I think things come into play. And you're getting screamed at all the time in practice. Or Dan Lannning, part of it is like they're just young. Like they are just playing a bunch of high school
Starting point is 00:41:31 kids, right? Like, did you hear the staff today that I think they had 24 touchdowns from freshmen that led the country? So part of it was he had transitioned to all his high school recruits. Like, it feels a little less transfer portally on his team. And same with Georgia, like they're going to be very recruiting heavy because they're going to recruit the best players. That's the thing with USC, right? They're like number one recruiting class in the country. Well, I mentioned this to Cowher tonight. Well, Likens, got a lot of pressure next year, how many of those guys are going to help you compete to win 10 games next year and be in the playoffs? Best case scenario of a 20-man class, 5, that seems very bold.
Starting point is 00:42:13 And if it doesn't go well, maybe a guy gets injured, two. So it's actually, that would have been a big deal in 2007. It's like, damn, a couple years this team's going to be stacked. I don't think it matters as much anymore, right? Unless you're Dan Lanning or Kirby and you don't have like year-to-year pressure. So I think it's a hard doubt. There's not a right or wrong answer. I mean, Lane Kiffin was the Transfer Portal King. I mean, how many guys that were playing tonight did not come to Ole Miss out of high school, right?
Starting point is 00:42:41 A lot because he's not getting the – he's not getting a player out of high school that he thinks can't beat Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU. Well, now he's at – you know what I mean when he was at Ole Miss. So he's like, I'll just go to the transfer portal and get Walter Nolan, get, get, you know, whoever. and that's how I'm going to compete. So there's not a right or wrong way to do it, but I think big picture you've got to recruit well, but then you've got to keep those guys around. It's a hard, it's why all these guys are bitching and moaned
Starting point is 00:43:16 because the roster retention, how many guys over the next 48 hours are going to be like, I've re-signed with the team I've already been at that I've played for the last two years. It's like, well, yeah, I thought so. So it's a weird deal, and that's why I think you watch Georgia they're just not quite the same.
Starting point is 00:43:32 They don't have the same pop. Or Indiana, how many transfer portal guys did they nail? Now, a lot of those guys are JMU guys that he brought. And Mendoza, I've seen a lot of like, why were more, Mendoza's brother was on the team.
Starting point is 00:43:46 So his family had a, is it fair to say, a unique relationship with Shanahan, I think's the O.C., no relation. And Cignetti, who's an offensive guy. So it's, it probably wasn't a normal recruitment.
Starting point is 00:43:59 Mendoza, I don't think, was viewed as some potential top 10 pick at this time last year. And people are like, oh, Indiana got the cow quarterback, cool. You know, so I... And, I mean, the story, obviously, tonight of that game, but the Indiana game, I mean, they clearly, there is...
Starting point is 00:44:21 Mendoza's better than Beck, and their wide receiver group is deeper. I mean, they got three guys, feel really good about and their running back's good and their defense is incredible. I would say they feel like the most complete team and clearly Miami feels like the way they can dominate the line of scrimmage. If Beck plays well, they can beat anybody in a low-scoring game. Oregon kind of feels like a year away. I, you know, Ole Miss, I would probably bet on them to kind of run out of juice though. I don't want to kind of, you know, pee on their parade here.
Starting point is 00:44:59 Every time you keep downing them, they just keep winning too. So they have that bulletin board material of Lane Kiffin leaving, where it's like, yeah, I agree with you. Like we were talking before, like, you know, how is Miami's defensive line going to do against Chambliss? Most likely their defensive line is going to dominate Ole Miss's offensive line. Well, I'm like, well, I don't know if Bain and Messador can be able to catch Chamblis, if he's running around like that
Starting point is 00:45:19 for the amount of time the four quarters of the motor, he didn't even seem tired for the entire game. And then you got the scrambling drill and the connections that you have offensively. I mean, another team, I mean, I could see them obviously beat Miami, but the fact that we always talk about Cinderella's. And, you know, some people have gripe about the group of five. It's pretty cool to see these two teams, Ole Miss and Miami. The storylines between those, like those are the kind of storylines.
Starting point is 00:45:42 Those are the underdogs that we wanted. Power four. I do think, and I saw some tweets about Cinderella's. This, it's a lot different in the world we're in, though, right? I mean, Indiana has the number one overall pick who they just could pick up off another team. they're landing the center from Notre Dame. It's like, well, who's your center? Well, we just needed one.
Starting point is 00:46:03 We picked up one guy from Notre Dame. You know, it's, you know, basketball Cinderella's are, well, some little-ass school beats Kentucky. That's insane. Indiana beating, like, they were a touchdown favorite in the game on a neutral site. And a quarter in, you're like, is this, should have been more, right? and Ole Miss, how many guys they have drafted last year? I mean, I think the most guys drafted they've had in the top 10 since, like,
Starting point is 00:46:35 the Hugh Freeze, Laramie Tunzel, Treadwell, kind of that group. So it's, it's, they're, they just went 11 and 1 in the SEC. So I think the Cinderella, when it comes to the Power 4 teams, even though they're not household names, and that's what threw me off about Indiana. I just kept thinking, Indiana. they're just no different than they might as well be like, you know, SC or 20 years ago, right? Or Ohio State, you know, they're just, they're just really, really good. And the top teams, because they're losing guys, aren't as dominant.
Starting point is 00:47:12 That's part of it. I do think it would be harder for all these teams to beat some of the prime heyday, you name it, right? Miami teams early 2000s, Pete Carroll teams, Florida teams, Alabama teams. Because every player was a pro, and their backups were pros. Now you watch like, oh, this guy got injured. You kind of look at the face of the coach. They're like, oh, shit. And that used to not be the case.
Starting point is 00:47:37 Because Bamb is like, okay, so-and-so's out. The backup is like Derek Henry. Backups, Xavier McKinney. Backups, you know, Dante Hightower. Yeah, he's a retro freshman. He's going to be a pretty good player. That's, I think it's much more of a coin flip now. the depth of the blue blue chippers.
Starting point is 00:47:56 And if Indiana or some of these schools can stay healthy, their starting players are really high caliber. Like if Indiana's players all went in the portal tomorrow, let's say they were done playing. Let's say that their, Signetti just left. I think all the good teams would want all their players, right? So that's where I think the Cinderella thing,
Starting point is 00:48:18 like part of it is, well, how is Boise State even this good? because it was crazy 15, 20 years ago. To me, it's not crazy. Like, it would have been crazy if JMU or Tulane, like, rattle off a couple wins. And I don't think it's even possible. But, like, Ole Miss, I watched Ole Miss almost beat Georgia at Georgia. You know, we've seen Indiana.
Starting point is 00:48:38 I mean, Indiana's last two wins are against Ohio State and Alabama. Ohio State game was tough, but today was not. And they kicked the crap out of them. Kick the crap out of them. Even worse, like, what was the final score of Oregon? and 23-0. But Texas Tech was kind of in that game. I mean, it was 6-0-30-minute.
Starting point is 00:48:57 Yeah. Then it was 13-0-0, and they had the ball in the red zone. If they scored a touchdown, there's 13-7. Not saying Oregon was obviously the better team. But what Indiana did today was, whoa, they felt like the best team in the country. Because even Miami, you watch them, how many wide receivers do you really, I mean, the freshman kids, a baller. but I think wide receivers kind of hit or miss. You know, the running back, Fletcher, who's really coming on,
Starting point is 00:49:28 I was listening to someone say he got a Liz Frank two years ago, his true freshman year, in the bowl game. So last year he wasn't quite the same. He's kind of getting it back now. So in a weird way, he was a well-known guy a couple years ago. He feels a little under the radar throughout the season. He's obviously playing well right now. These last couple games making some big runs.
Starting point is 00:49:48 I mean, he was a horse in that Ohio State game. down the stretch, especially that final drive. But I would guess Miami, I don't know, you know, it's not public like the NFL, but I think the payrolls on these four teams are all relatively, you know, they're all spending a lot of money. They even mentioned it tonight, like, Signetti got them to spend a lot of cash on this team. He got him to spend some money last year, but he got a little lucky because he got the JMU guys.
Starting point is 00:50:16 I think this year they up the budget, and it shows. Yeah, they're all at least 20 million. At least for each. Probably. Maybe the lowest would be Indiana, but. And what's crazy about Indiana is, and even Signetti was like, yeah, he's our best defensive player. The guy that high-fived the dude after the game broke his leg after the Ohio State game.
Starting point is 00:50:33 The defensive, the defensive lineman. That's, I thought something like that. I'm like, I don't know if they have the depth. Didn't even notice today. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news?
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Starting point is 00:56:05 you talking about Cinderella or whatever is with all this new change in college football, we almost have to reset our thoughts on all of these schools in like a two-year window instead of like 20 years, 25 years going on on college football because you're right. Like Ole Miss has a lot of studs. But in terms of like seeing the stats and seeing it's the betting lines or whatever, you're like, oh, whoa, Georgia quarterfinals, like rematch again, playing well down the stretch. Like, of course they're going to win. And then you get upset like that and you're like, whoa, like how did that happen?
Starting point is 00:56:35 But when in reality, yeah, they have a stud running back. They have a really talented quarterback. And they played better on that night. And then on the flip side of things like Indiana. Yeah, I agree with you. I think Indiana is probably the most complete. I just don't understand how you stop their offense. With Mendoza, if they're running that RPO, you got multiple running backs.
Starting point is 00:56:53 Three really solid receivers all scored today. Like Charlie Becker's coming on as a sophomore. It's really strong hands, catching contact. Like, I agree. I mean, what's like that he's done? I mean, you follow the sport for a while, obviously, longer than, I have. But I feel like he is going to set a lot of pressure on a lot of these other coaches, what, seven or eight new coaches that just got hired? Not saying to the level of Signetti,
Starting point is 00:57:14 but hey, like you have two or three years. If they can back them up with NIL money, I don't know what Chesney's going to do at UCLA or somewhere all at Florida or Auburn with Golish. But it feels like you got to click early. And on top of that, the portal quarterback position too, the quarterback position is going to be a quick window as well. Like Morton and Texas Tech, they're thinking today like, okay, we could have definitely spent money at the quarterback position, but we were loyal to this guy for four to five years. He crumbled under pressure. They're going to spend $10 million tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:57:44 And then you look at Indiana, they hit on Mendoza, obviously. I feel like the quarterback window and the coaching window is just going to be like a two, three year thing. And then Ty Simpson at Alabama, where a couple years ago, oh yeah, it was his first year. Like he's had some starts. He had some highs. He had some lows, whatever. That back end of the stretch and you got a five star freshman that's sitting right behind him, that's your guy and that's not Sabin's guy.
Starting point is 00:58:06 Like you have those conversations. I just think it's pretty interesting, you know, the portal quarterback window, the quarterback window and the coaching window based on Signetti and some of these transfer guys that are just excelling so fast. That's why I think everyone in L.A. is so mad at Lincoln Riley and his comments after the game about like the windows open now. Look at today.
Starting point is 00:58:24 Lannning took over a way better, they got hired at the same time. Mario left the cupboards full. Like there were a lot of players there. But four years later, I don't know, they're not the best because they haven't won a national championship, I think ever, but they're clearly a what, top
Starting point is 00:58:38 three program in the country right now? He has them. He took over, they were damn good. He's taken, they're just elite. I mean, they're just, they just need to win a Natty, and then you won't be able to say anything. Kind of like Kirby. It was like, clear Kirby was unreal, but he had to win the Natty to really just be like, okay, leave me alone.
Starting point is 00:58:54 And so Lannie's just, and he might not do it this year, but I think he's going to do it in the next couple years, right? They're an elite program. It's like, okay, he took over an easier thing. Well, look at Mario. well, if Mario got the job and they hired Landing, they got hired at the same time, same with Lincoln Riley, the same cycle.
Starting point is 00:59:10 Four years later, Mario has them rattling off two excellent victories to go on the road in A&M, and that win against Ohio State was fantastic. And you just watch the way their team's built. So it's like, if you do have money, you've got to dominate the portal, you've got to be on the right guys,
Starting point is 00:59:26 you've got to value the right things, you've got to hire the right defensive coaches. Miami was terrible on defense last year. weren't they the Jaden Daniels version of LSU? Like there was the Jadenna's version of LSU, Unreal offense, terrible defense. And then the next year, it was Cam Ward, same thing. Their offense was incredible and their defense was terrible.
Starting point is 00:59:45 Now you watch them, their defense is dominant. It's like, Jesus, all these guys are hitting, like, NFL players. And listen, people make fun of Mario. He has some devastating losses. He clearly is like an unreal GM. And he's a tough guy, and you just kind of felt this, he didn't really have to make any crazy, game management calls.
Starting point is 01:00:05 But I was, I think all these guys have done, I mean, this is a big, you know, people thought landing was a star, so him being in the final four is not shocking. You know, Signetti really shut everyone up. Once he beat Ohio State, I think people like, damn, he's really good. Clearly he's making like $10 million a year. You know, Pete Golding, it's his first big win of his life. So, I mean, he's, we'll see how his career goes. Do you see that he didn't even want to be the head coach?
Starting point is 01:00:31 he kind of like they told him like some other guys he was targeting and he was like no I don't want to work under those guys I'll be the head coach and now he's the head coach and he just beat Georgia that's unbelievable I think Mario is I don't think I just think it's pretty crazy because a lot of people think Mario's not that good of like a not a good coach because he's good with offensive line he's a good recruiter people like him but like in game people think he stinks in the last couple games like well he just I watched him just work Ryan day so it's just a really big moment. That's why let's look ahead at these two games. You know, Indiana, I think the game open at three and a half is now four. I'm not going to sleep on Oregon. Their games are a little weird. Like today was just a little weird. You know, Dante Moore, I don't think, played great relative to like some of these other quarterbacks you're watching. Well, still way better than the guy they rolled out. In Oregon's defense is good. They have so many good players.
Starting point is 01:01:30 I do think that game's going to be a little harder. I think a lot of people are just going to hammer Indiana, which I don't think is crazy at all totally understand. I could just see, this is a pretty, you know, Dan Landings King of like the Rala speeches. A lot of those are as he's a big favorite. It's like, damn, he's pulling some crazy, like kind of lines out. And he's typically, like a lot of these games,
Starting point is 01:01:51 they're enormous favorites over the Big Ten when he's going viral. This one, he's going to be like a true underdog. Everyone's going to pick Indiana It's actually a pretty good spot For kind of his vibe You know Because even this game for Signetti These questions he's gonna
Starting point is 01:02:07 So my point is I'm probably gonna take Indiana at the points I don't feel great about it though Like I think a lot of people Are gonna sleep on Oregon in this moment I think they're gonna get out for this shit Signetti kind of got to play The Underdog against Bama
Starting point is 01:02:19 You see the questions like What do you think about the Bama mystique He's gonna be getting asked the opposite this week Like are you guys going to win the national championship do you think he can really win the national championship? The vibe's going to shift. And that's where I think Dan Lannning, this is right up his alley
Starting point is 01:02:33 and his raw-wroth kind of style. So, again, I'm probably going to take Indiana just because I'm blown away by how good they are. I think a lot of people are just going to sleep on Oregon just because their games, the last two weeks, have been a little weird. And then you have the flip side where they say, oh, it's hard to be the team twice,
Starting point is 01:02:49 I'm going to go Oregon. Yeah, it is. And I think Dante Moore has played a lot better since that first game where they had a ton of pressure on him. And I think the office line for the most part. In the second half, Bailey and Hunter and height didn't really have many stacks. And some of those, Dante Moore wasn't even aware where they were. He kind of ran into
Starting point is 01:03:05 them both times there. But I'm going to be real curious how that offensive line does against that front for Indiana because even though they don't pressure a ton, it just seems like they're really good at making the pocket super collapse for them. And I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I would lean Indiana as well too with you just based on the fact that, offensively, I don't know how you're going to be able to stop them. If they're going to run the ball and they get the play action game with those three wide receivers, even though Brandon Finney Jr., you know, the freshman, he had a really good game today. I just, I'm a, one big advantage for Indiana is for whatever reason no one interviews their assistant coaches.
Starting point is 01:03:45 So their coordinators just stay at Indiana and get big contracts and no one talks to him. his two coordinators who are still calling the offense and the defense are head coaches other places, which I would imagine, especially Kentucky. These next 48 hours, they're going to have a lot going on. Now it's a little easier for both guys because they're game planning against a team that they've already played. So it's not like an unc – this is an Ole Miss Miami where it's completely fresh. That's just a lot on those two guys, I think. Running programs for the first time.
Starting point is 01:04:18 both of them next year are going to want, especially Tosh is going to want to be, compete for like the ACC, and he's a recruiter. So I just, I just think there's going to be a lot going on for those two coaches. This is a counterpoint to me saying don't sleep on Oregon. A lot of pressure on those two coaches because
Starting point is 01:04:36 both these games are in a week now. One's on Thursday, one's on Friday. So this isn't one of those where you get 15-day break and you got more time. It's why my theory that I expect the LSU coaches to get, I don't want to say fired, but just told, like, you can just go to LSU now. We're good. Just because I think now it's the time to break.
Starting point is 01:04:55 Dan Landy's not going to do that with these guys, but how are they going to have time to sleep? Because they're going to be constantly trying to do transfer portal stuff, which I wouldn't blame them, because they have to build a program for 26. So I, maybe I feel a little bit better about Indiana minus, I'd probably like Indiana minus two and a half, like a field goal. Four is a weird. Ford's like kind of an awkward number. Yeah, I'm just thinking how high I would go.
Starting point is 01:05:22 Maybe I'd just go to seven. They do blow out a lot of people. They do blow out a lot of people. And then on the flip side. What's the, in Miami? Minus three. Maybe I'm just a prisoner of the moment, but I kind of feel like Miami's on a mission right now.
Starting point is 01:05:41 And you watch Mario after that game. You know, the one thing Mario kind of gets labeled is like this meathead offensive linemen. I think he's a pretty buttoned up guy. Like he's a pretty serious cat. And I had a buddy who works in college football who was offered a job by him. He was at a, my buddy was at a good place too.
Starting point is 01:06:02 Turned it down because he's like, you know, I'm really close to my head coach. We're winning. Mario's going to give me a race. But I've heard Mario's like, Belichick. I think he's at the office like 20 hours. Like it's a grinder. He's pretty intense.
Starting point is 01:06:15 And maybe that's why in some of those moments he's just like too tight in the end of game and why he's, you could argue, pro, just kneel the ball. But I don't know. I think Miami would have a good shot if they handled business against Ole Miss to win the national championship against Indiana. Because physically they would be able to hang. I mean, they're two tackles. My guess is combined weight would be close to 680, 700. One guy looks like he weighs to 350 pounds.
Starting point is 01:06:45 the right tackle. Yeah, he's going to go top ten. The left tackle. They are massive, the offensive line. The irony about their defensive line is Bain, and you talk to the scouts, you know, he's not that tall. He's like 6'1.
Starting point is 01:07:00 And he's got short arms. But you watch him play, it looks like he's Miles Garrett out there, Ben in the Edge, pushing guys. He was, of all the players that we have not mentioned, he was the best player on the field in that game. He was dominant. and his buddy, the Canadian dude, wasn't bad either.
Starting point is 01:07:18 I feel like in Miami, compared to like week one against Notre Dame, they threw the ball a tonne. They were like trying to throw a bunch of explosive plays, get their guy Tony involved. It seems like in the playoff, maybe it's Mario Cristobal is just kind of symboled everything down. We're going to run the ball.
Starting point is 01:07:32 We're going to run the clock, control the time of possession. And even Carson Beck, too, where not a lot of people like Carson Beck, right? He's a little cocky, he's got an ego, paid a lot of money, date of the Cavender. They broke up because he cheated on a lot of
Starting point is 01:07:44 Tina, whatever. But he is taking care of the football. He doesn't turn the ball over. Kind of ugly, dude. He's kind of weird. Oh my gosh. It looks like Sid from Ice Age. He's disgusting.
Starting point is 01:07:53 He's a weird looking care. We'll see him here in Glendale next week. Last night, he was, he kind of earned my respect. I thought he played like a badass. I think part of the two is though, you know, A&M throughout the year can be a high scoring operation, right, with the wide receivers. And obviously Ohio State, like, they did not want to get into like a game like tonight. So they are much more comfortable.
Starting point is 01:08:12 What was the final score of Notre Dame? Low scoring game, right? They want a game that is on their terms. They want to play. Shanahan has won a lot of playoff games like this. Ugly it up, play defense, run the ball. Slow it down. I think Ohio State, I think I had eight or nine possessions.
Starting point is 01:08:32 They don't want to play. I don't know how many Georgia and Ole Miss had, but it felt like they had eight or nine possessions in the second half each, you know, which is smart, which you get credit for as a head coach. and I think as coordinators some of those play calls on third down and the fourth down catch
Starting point is 01:08:48 did they ran to Tony they got them on that one-on-one and like they had like three wide receivers and he was the guy in the back so they couldn't press them like that was a high level play they ran some really good plays last night I thought in key spots the one to Fletcher when they had the extra offensive
Starting point is 01:09:06 lineman and you thought they were going to run it and he kind of skirts out to the left side because they only have two guys out there just throw it to him quick and they score I agree. Shannon Dawson. And then the defensive coordinator from Minnesota that they got too. I just, I think Miami's defense, if Lacey's going to fumble like that against Georgia, you already know they're going to have that game playing against Lacey in this offense where the ball looked a pretty
Starting point is 01:09:28 a little skittish, a little loosey-goosey out there. I just think they're going to force a turnover or two. And you saw in that game against Miami, once they get that lead and they control the clock like that for a high-paced offense in Ole Miss, like especially how quick they score, I think he's going to try to hold the ball for like 30, 35, 40 minutes in that game and just try to just run them down in the trenches. Yeah, I mean, he's got to, they mentioned tonight on the broadcast. You know, the whole Miami staff was watching.
Starting point is 01:09:55 He's got a bad left shoulder. He can't, you know, he lowered his right shoulder, ran over the one dude, but the left shoulder clearly, the grip pressure on it wasn't as strong, whatever. It wasn't like it was that crazy of a play for the ball to come out. But he's a pretty good player. I mean, he's, he's really good. Maybe that game would be better than I think. My lean would be, I feel like Miami overwhelms him a little bit.
Starting point is 01:10:20 And I feel this was not Nolan Smith and Ngoby Dean and Jalen Carter. Like, they're just not as good as the guys chasing them. And they had some injuries tonight, you know, with their front seven guys. I feel like Miami's going to hawk Trinidad a couple times. Not that Trinidad's like can't get away from, but they're going to be a couple plays where he was doing some like old school, Tony Rono, Donovan McNab, like running back and forth. You could get killed against, like legitimately killed. Yeah, especially got them on both sides.
Starting point is 01:10:48 Like you got Bain running the right, you're going to roll back left and get hit by Mesidor. I do think the one advantage though that Ole Miss has, you see their kicker tonight? 55-yard, 56-yard kick. Like, I think that's one thing in college football. The portal kickers value after this playoff and for the entire back into the season is skyrocketed. That guy was from Western Kentucky. It's unbelievable. Like college kickers, we're going to see.
Starting point is 01:11:09 that next week. And Miami has had a bad kicker, even though indoors look better. Yeah, indoors will be a lot better than that win against A&M. But lastly, too, shout out of hard rock bet. The odds right now for the national champion, Indiana plus 135, Oregon and Miami plus 300, Ole Miss plus 550. I think at the beginning of the playoff, it was Tulane, JMEU, obviously, and I think it was Miami Ole Miss.
Starting point is 01:11:36 I want to say plus 10,000, which is insane, the fact that these odds have gone. gone so down. But based on what you've said, I'm assuming you're going Indiana, Miami, Indiana's going to win it all plus 135. Yeah, I think if you were going to bet this, you would bet Miami would be the bet because if they were to win that game and play Indiana, they'd probably be like, what would your guess on that line be? Indiana by four, maybe three. You know, Indiana be favored. But Miami would not be like a plus two to one underdog money line to win that game. So, you probably take them right now plus 300 or just put all your shift to the middle table on Indiana
Starting point is 01:12:15 Now again I do think Oregon You know I'd be blind I didn't even watch Too lane game because the NFL was on But oh the jam you today Like I thought I thought Dante Like there were point times Like he's like trying to almost prove Like he's some superstar
Starting point is 01:12:34 I don't know he was just a little out of whack Out of rhythm Maybe he kind of started forcing it I just never thought he could get like a Now, part of that's their defense is good, right? I mean, they're D-line. They had a couple of plays where it was like, Jesus, these guys, no wonder they paid all this money.
Starting point is 01:12:50 They need to now invest in a quarterback. If I was an NIL agent for the top quarterbacks, they have been blowing up Joey McGuire's phone. I mean, the quarterback, if you told me that Texas Tech has the highest paid quarterback in the country, I do think it's believable because I don't even know who would be considered the top quarterback, but let's just say they're competing for two or three of them.
Starting point is 01:13:11 it's just going to drive the price up. They're going to end up with one of the top guys in the portal for sure. And who knows? Maybe a guy, maybe a guy they tamper and a guy comes out that you don't even see coming. Because you could enter, you don't have to have already entered. Like the portal opens now. Like you can throw your name in tomorrow if you want. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers.
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Starting point is 01:19:05 So it's like, well, shit. Like, we got to go invest in three more defensive linemen and get a guy for $10 million. Some guys that are going to be just some names for people out there. Because I know you love free agency in the NFL. Like, I love the portal. Like, the portal is like college football free agency. And I know people are like, oh, they're going to go chase money. Like, just going to get a bag.
Starting point is 01:19:23 Cool. It brings more drama to the sport. Sam Levin out of Arizona State DJ Lagway Brennan Sorsby out of Cincinnati's been rumored because his girlfriend committed there for volleyball a couple weeks ago he's pretty talented but we'll see if he goes to the draft
Starting point is 01:19:37 Josh Hoover, Raella and then Drew Mestemaker will probably follow Eric Morris at Oklahoma State I don't think he's going to probably go somewhere else but Leavitt is a good example they played them or they know him because of the conference they've seen him on cross state for a couple years I think that
Starting point is 01:19:53 like they will be all over again guy like that. And if they had a healthy Sam Levitt today, you know, I don't know if they ultimately win the game, but the game does not feel like it felt through the first couple, before it became a blowout in the fourth quarter. Like, they were right there. Their quarterback was atrocious. Their office was terrible. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:20:13 they need the one player, too. The running back made the one suite play where he juke the two guys out and the reverse field. But other than that, they couldn't move the ball. It was like, this is this is a terrible television product guys. And it's not like Oregon was doing great either. But the, yeah, I mean, I would expect them to, Sam Levitt, he's going to get a lot of money. But some of these guys, like, what's his name from Oklahoma last year that went to Auburn?
Starting point is 01:20:40 Like, a lot of guys get a lot of money and don't do shit. And a lot of people that, you know, guys that people make fun of, I mean, this happened probably more a couple years ago, like when Bo Nix and Dylan Gabriel will go on and, like, crush it. So, you know, it's kind of weird with the quarterback. I mean, look at Trinidad. So I just, let's say DJ Lagway signed somewhere. Everybody's like, DJ Lagway. You know, look at Nico in that situation. I mean, he actually had a pretty good, like, four-game stretch for UCLA, but they won three games.
Starting point is 01:21:11 You know, again, the first four games is probably not his fault. If Tim Skipper had coached the whole year, maybe they're like five and seven or six and six. But, I mean, you just, I think sometimes because these quarterbacks are really famous, like, wherever Dillard. and Riola goes, it's going to be a huge headline. If I tell you, Dylan Ryola is at Tennessee, let's use that as an example. I don't know if that's going to happen. I'm just going to throw that out there.
Starting point is 01:21:32 Would it shock you if next year they went like 7 to 5 or 8 and 4? You know, it's not like you get them. You're guaranteed to, you know, to dominate. So I'm with you on that. Let's kind of getting late. I know we wanted to hit on one more thing. The Dan Lannning kind of went on this rant about the schedule and how college football belongs on Saturdays.
Starting point is 01:21:54 and basically, you know, once December hits and the NFL starts taking the Saturday games, and he's big on, like, we don't need these big breaks. Just the season ends, if we got to start week zero, everyone plays week zero. Whenever this conference championship ends, you start playing the playoff games the following week. And I don't disagree with them on that because that's what D1AA does, even though I think they do a two-week break for the finals, right? Because I think Nashville is this upcoming Monday. But no one would even complain about that.
Starting point is 01:22:23 There's these huge breaks. I mean, when's the last time Texas Tech or Indiana played a game or Ohio State? It was like a month ago, right? So I agree with them on that. The thing I don't, and listen, I know he's not thinking about it like this many variables. The television networks, like ESPN, who has NFL games during December, CBS and Fox who have games during December, they also pay a lot for college football. They like the NFL games during the December games.
Starting point is 01:22:57 They do. You know, ESPN has a game this Saturday, right? Seattle versus the 49ers. 40 million people are going to watch. I forget some of the games, there was a good game a couple weeks ago. Oh, it was like Bears Packers, I think was on Fox. It was Tom Brady on a Saturday night.
Starting point is 01:23:15 Like 30 million people watch these games. So it's like, I don't even disagree with Dan Lanning, but the people he's in. business with that pay all the money for all this. They're part of... Roger Goodell gets blamed for everything. But it's not like Netflix or Amazon doesn't want to do these deals on Christmas or on Black Friday or on some random December Saturday.
Starting point is 01:23:37 That's where I think it's not even plausible because these Fox is never going to be like, yeah, you're right, DeLayland. Let's just do a Big Ten game. No, they want to do Eagles Packers on a Saturday night in the middle of December. That's why it's probably not going to happen. I do think, though, I mean, the home field. playoff games. I think you have to have some at night, you have to have some during the day. But these
Starting point is 01:23:56 neutral site games, I don't think it's a big deal that you play them at 10 a.m. or 1 p.m. and you give the NFL the afternoon. Like, I don't think that's a big deal in terms of the college football perspective to get the most viewership. And I think on top of that, like, I don't people want bowl games to go get rid of. You put those during the week.
Starting point is 01:24:12 TCU USC was awesome to watch. The Pop-Tart Bowl, the Citrus Bowl with Archmanning. Like, have those fill during the week and have your CFP games on the weekend. I just don't think these neutral site game, especially when they're all indoor. It's like it's not a big deal if it's at night versus during the day, if that makes sense.
Starting point is 01:24:27 And I also think on top of that, like, if this does go to a 16 team playoff, you know, T&T, I mean, they're probably in the bad bargain in the deal. They're not going to want a group of five team as their college football team that night, especially going up against the NFL, even though it's not comparable, $3 million to $40 million. I mean, $20 million, $10 million compared to $40 million is better than watching JMU get blown out against Oregon. So I think it just makes sense.
Starting point is 01:24:51 I would love to see the season start earlier and then have the portal be in January. I think the schedule hopefully they can figure it out. I don't even know who you talk to the NCAA. They're probably just still sleeping. So it's like we're not going to get this figured out until another couple of years anyways. It's just kind of frustrating. You're not wrong on the morning game. College football.
Starting point is 01:25:10 Fox's biggest game is a 9 a.m. West Coast kickoff and it crushes. It is dominated for them. Now a lot of that's Ohio State and Michigan, but it's, it works. I also think one change clearly is we need more home college football games we need more home college football games That's where it's like if you do have a first round by Give them at least the home field playoff advantage
Starting point is 01:25:34 That's where they get screwed That's where so this team has all this momentum Coming a lot of I mean I guess Miami was on the road But then Texas Texas is sitting there in Miami You know it's like You see how empty was like oh my God Yeah that that was That was a weird vibe.
Starting point is 01:25:51 That would have been way cooler at tech. Because we saw earlier this year when they hosted, was it Utah or BYU? BYU, yeah. It was awesome. I remember watching like, this place is sick. I remember Game Day was there. I'm like, this is badass. And they got to go to Miami in front of half the, you know, half the,
Starting point is 01:26:07 sucks for Oregon too. Travels well. They're probably thinking like, hey, we'll just hold out until the final four, hopefully, which I don't blame them. But I'm with you. We got a lot to figure out, and I don't even think we're remotely close to figuring any of it but at least that uh thanks for hopping on with me tonight it's been a it's been a long couple days but uh what a night that that was that was sweet that was sweet that was a good that was a
Starting point is 01:26:32 good cap to the uh to the start of the new year hey happy 2026 happy portal season everybody getting excited the portal comes up i know people get so frustrated but uh no it's always great talking college football we'll get the sport figured out everyone's got to relax the sport's great just got to figure it out, but tonight enjoy Ole Miss, Indiana, Miami, and Oregon. Are you kidding me? Did you cut the social that said that Arch Manning back like three months ago that Arch Manning wasn't an NFL player? I said it, but we posted it. I think so. Yeah. That thing has gotten found, I think, in the University of Texas message boards or something. I am getting attacked from all angles. And listen, I said what I said. I think when stuff like that
Starting point is 01:27:18 happens. I don't even know if people are paying attention to the date, not that anyone cares. No, no chance. But they, the, uh, the, uh, Texas contingent of fans on social media are, uh, are not happy that I said, Arch was not a draftable player. Again, that was early in the season, and he was playing terribly. He's turned it around. He's definitely turned it around. He's on, he's on, he's on, he's on the, he's on the, he did. Hey, in fairness to me, they spent $25 million dollars and they, they, they were out of playoff contention in October. He also had to take a pay cut. So in the world I'm in, in pro football, we take a pay cut, usually something's going wrong. Again, I'm not an Arch Manning hater.
Starting point is 01:27:54 I did believe when I said that he was playing terribly. He has definitely turned it around and is coming in the right direction. And he's got like, I'll end it on this. Like you watch Gunner Stockton and I, he feels like the toughest player in college. Arch is tough as shit. I mean, he gets destroyed, he's injured. I still think his arm can be a little hit or miss, but he's just. definitely really athletic. He's definitely got more accurate. He feels much more comfortable
Starting point is 01:28:21 passing. He's improved a lot, which redshirt, sophomore, he's been there a couple years, right? Yeah, he's two more years. I just think his confidence. I think that's all it came down. It was his confidence. Just looking at the social media and stuff. And one little nugget on by Texas, Kim Coleman out of Auburn. Not a lot of people know about him. He's a top receiver. He just dealt with Jackson, Arnold, and Peyton Thor in the last couple years. Texas is making a push for him. I think if he has him at the number one wide receiver, watch our text next year, man. I think he needs that go-to receiver to help him out. Jeremiah Smith to Miami.
Starting point is 01:28:50 You see that gaining traction? They were doing a lot of long hugs last night. I know. If you would have saw that video, you'd have been like, oh, Jeremiah Smith, they won. Like, Ohio State won that football game. But no, they lost, and he smiled with his old buddies at Miami. But he grew up with all those guys, right?
Starting point is 01:29:02 Yeah. I can see Mario, you know, it's one of those. There was a game early this year. Oh, it was the Kailin Dubour when the dude was trying to hug his backup quarterback. And he grabbed him. You know, if I was Ryan Day, I would have grabbed him. But hey, when you get your ass kicked, you know, by Miami as a nine and a half point favorite, you kind of got to run in the locker room.
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