The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - REACTION to the Ravens-Buffalo Bills THRILLER + Recapping NFL Week 1

Episode Date: September 8, 2025

NFL scout John Middlekauff is LIVE breaking down all games from a wild week 1 Sunday of the NFL 2025 season. John reacts to the big time Week 1 matchup between Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills and Lamar Jackson & the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday Night Football, the biggest plays of the day and much more! Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by hardrock.bet Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Ravens really have no excuse. They are the best team in football, and eventually you're either going to win a Super Bowl or just going to talk about you of like, what the hell happened with that run? because at one point in time this game, it felt like they were going to win it by double digits. And we all watch football all day to day. Clearly there wasn't, I mean, maybe the Packers, but the Ravens have been doing this for a long time. I mean, they've been number one seed back in 2019. They were one seed a couple years ago.

They had the bills on the ropes last year on the road. It's just this team is a complete squad. And you're like, they are curb stomping these guys. It's not Josh Allen's fault or the. offense. I just kept thinking, how does Brandon Bean, and I'm getting DMs and techs, why does the Bill's defense look so small? Why does Derek Henry look bigger than everyone on the Bill's defense, except a defensive lineman or two? I'm like, I don't know, but this is not a fair fight. If this was boxing or UFC, they would be in different weight classes. It was like heavyweight versus

lightweight, a feather weight, and then all of a sudden, Derek Henry fumbles the ball, the bills get the ball back, score, don't get a two-pointer, because they never. do in these games. Call the top three straight timeouts. You know, I think you could have gone forward on fourth down. I know Tariqo is like, what do you mean? Go forward on fourth down. You give it to them right here in field goal range.

Well, the Ravens had not been stopping Josh Allen. And he was in rare form the night. And I had written down one thing early in the game, even when I thought they were going to lose, is they kind of remind me of Denver with Nicole Yokic, where even last year, you're like, I don't know how good Denver is, but you watch him, you're like, he's an unstoppable force. So he could play an all-star team. Remember, he did in the Olympics versus America, and you're like, this motherfucker might just

take him down by himself. That's how Josh Allen feels on the bills. Because you're watching Lamar, who is also fantastic, you're watching Derek Henry, who, I did a little research midgame, because I'm like, is this guy going to run for like 1,800 yards at 31 years old? Has there ever been a guy, at least in recent memory, be this good, this, fast, this explosive at his age, where's he going to end when his career's over? So I look at the all-time rushing leaders. Derek has over 11,000 yards throughout his career. If he keeps going at a pace

just somewhat similar to recent years, I think there's a very good chance he gets in the top five if he can stay healthy for a couple more years. So you have this all-time great running back, one of the most dynamic quarterbacks on, you know, I don't know, top two or three organization in the league. They're good at every position. They're always big. They're always physical. They replace guys. And the bills just don't quite feel like that. Even though they've hit on players, mainly on offense, Dion Dawkins is a stud. Cook is an awesome running back. And they've got this generational player at quarterback. But it does feel like, listen, their defense did give up a lot of plays in the second half. But for the most part throughout the season, like their defense is pretty

nails. I mean, a couple years ago, they were the best defense in the league. And it feels like the bills, one are kind of small, pretty dependent on some DeLyman making plays. Now, in fairness, we had Stucky on. I guess we recorded with him on Thursday. He's like, listen, the bills are banged up in their secondary. I mean, the first rounder's injured. They bring Trey White back. He's injured.

They have a bunch of injuries. They're playing with random dudes back there. And there are moments in this game where you felt that. Where Zay Flowers would catch the ball, he'd look around, he'd look around, he'd eat a sandwich, he'd slam a water, and then be like, I'm going to run like 20 more yards. There's no one in sight. You're like, this is, this shouldn't be that easy. But that's what makes football so fun.

Because tonight, there were a point in time where you're just like, this just doesn't really feel like the bills have a chance. But it's so much fun to watch these two quarterbacks. Like, you couldn't help but just stay locked in on your couch. And then that happened. And I can't imagine being, I'm on text threads with Bill's fans. I got multiple, that's game, that's ball game. This is over, especially when Henry,

scored the second touchdown, but it's what makes the reality television show that is the NFL so special because those quarterbacks are all-time greats, those teams, now this rivalry. The other thing that I wrote down that if this was basketball, and this is before the bills won the game, this is probably like a quarter to go, that if this was a seven-game series, and I know the bills won in the playoffs, and it was a really incredible game, but if they played 10 times, it felt like the Ravens would win 8 or 9. If this was basketball or baseball and they had to

play a 7-game series, it would feel like the bills would have no chance. But it's football. And in a one-game scenario, a guy gets injured, a guy turns the ball over, anything can happen. Look at the playoff game. Lamar had a fumble, and Lamar had a pick. And I think that led to

I'm pretty sure, I know 7 points, maybe 10 points. But it was a huge swing in that game. Obviously, tonight, the fumble led to an immediate touchdown, which changed the course of the game. I mean, really, they got the ball within a play right at the one yard line. And you're watching a night going, this is what makes the league so special. Because you're watching just guy for guy, like, I don't think the rosters are equals.

But that is the power of quarterback. And if you watch today, like the power of Jaden Daniels, are the Washington commanders some all-star team? you could argue there may be a little bit better on offense than they were last year, but he's resurrected the franchise. That's the importance of this position, especially in the pros more than college, where even if there is a gap, like you have 15, 20% better players than I do,

one quarterback can shrink that gap immediately. And you saw tonight Josh Allen, like, that's as good as it gets. I mean, the physicality of his running, the ability to make the throws on the run. thing Collins were said, like, it's well documented how much Lamar Jackson has improved from the moment he got in the league to where he is now. The touch passes, his ability to throw in the pocket, outside the pocket. But the guy won the Heisman trophy in college.

Like part of what made it so controversial, like him coming out in the pros was obviously what Polion said, but like, you know, sometimes the running dynamic quarterbacks, it's probably less so even five, six, seven years later. But it was like, is this really going to work if anyone that watched that game against Mississippi State, but still, we were kind of nitpicky. Josh Allen was legitimately inaccurate. Now, he was playing at Wyoming with probably a bunch of insurance salesmen, but if you watch it, even in some of those games against Iowa and Oregon, you're like, I don't think it's going to work. And you watch him now, you're like, that's fucking John Elway. This is like one of the best players I've ever seen. Like, Lamar Jackson, we all agree,

most dynamic player, I'd argue in my life. I'd put him right up there with Steve Young. He's, He's a much more complete player than Michael Vick. I was a little young for like peak prime Randall Cunningham, but I think it's as good as it gets. Because the Steve Young that I grew up on didn't run as much and was much more of a pocket quarterback than probably the guy in the 80s. You know, Michael Vick probably was more of a deep ball thrower, obviously an excellent runner, but he got hurt a lot.

You watch Lamar, it's like he's incredible at avoiding hits, getting on the ground, throwing over the middle, he's fantastic at it. He throws a great outside the numbers ball. It's just a complete player. But you watch Josh Allen. I don't remember John L.A. in his prime. I remember the guy, this one's for John, right, in the late 90s with Mike Shanahan being carried by Terrell Davis in a really good defense. I've seen YouTube highlights of the guy that could run around and throw these bullets. And you're watching a night, you're like, that's as good as it gets. And that's why so many teams, since Josh Allen has come in the league, has taken big swing,

on quote unquote, on quote unquote prototypes. This guy's big, he's fast, he's got a huge arm. There's only one of these guys. And what he's become is a lot like what Jane's done to the commanders. Like the bills were a joke. You know, if you're my age, there was such a long period of time when the Jim Kelly, Marv Levy, Andre Reid, Thurman Thomas, when that era fell apart, basically from the start of the internet

in the early 2000s, up until Josh got there, they fucking sucked. They were awful. I'm watching the night thinking, the Ravens have been good, basically my entire life. I'm 40 years old since I was in junior high high school. Like late 90s through the 2000s up till now. They have been playing in primetime games on Sunday night and Monday night since back with Peyton Manning, probably to Brett Forf through now and they are not going away anytime soon. I'm thinking there was a long period of time, definitely probably a decade and a half,

where you wouldn't have dreamed about putting the Buffalo Bills on Sunday night football as really the heavyweight fight of the weekend. Right? Even tomorrow, the Bears and the Vikings, it's a sexy matchup, it's fun, but you probably, it's smart to do it week one because week seven, who knows? You could put Bill's Ravens week one, week six, week 10, it would be. wouldn't matter. It is one of easily the best games of the year before the game even kicks off. Obviously, I don't want to get ahead of myself. Could be the game of the year. I mean, that was incredible

theater. But to have the bills be the equal of the Ravens now, and in a weird way, where it felt like they got outplayed, kind of owned them, right? Own them in the sense that they beat them now twice in a row. I can't even imagine what everyone on the Ravens, including the coach staff just sitting in the locker room right now, you know, taking off their spats and taking off their pads and just sitting there getting some water, Gatorade, just in silence. What would you even say? How could you even utter words? Now, luckily, once like the emotion comes down, I mean, they could be the best team in the league. They should compete for the number one seat throughout the year. Now, their division is much harder than the bills. Because even when it

look like the bills were going to lose by 10? The thing I kept thinking is, well, the dolphins, I mean, got a chance to be one of the worst teams we've ever seen. The Patriots are going to have growing pains all year long. And that might have been the best effort we see from the Jets throughout the season. So this team is probably at worst going, I mean, four and two would be insane in the division. There's a decent chance to go six and O. Probably even if they had lost the game, you're talking to a 13-win team. Then you win the game, you go, God, could they get to 15? And One thing that's important, and I'd say this for the Ravens too, is that home field advantage is really, really big.

Like, if the game was going like it was, and this game was in Baltimore, would there have been enough juice in the place, even with Josh Allen pulling plays out of his, you know what, scrambling around, making throws to his left, making throws to his right, Keon Coleman jumping up, Kincaid making plays, I don't know, probably not. So having home field advantage, and I said the same thing about the Ravens is really, really big. it's really, really important. And this is the type game that when the dust settles, like, because let's face it, last year,

Ravens lose some random games throughout the year. I remember they, didn't they lose the Browns last year? Like James Winston? It's the NFL. You could win 13 games, what it would be, four of your losses. Two of those four losses could come against bad teams in November and December. This is kind of the way the sport works.

So, man, what a win by the bills. I still think the Ravens are. are really, really good. Remember last year two? Like the Bill's defense, I don't have that much faith in. Now, they can improve with guys come back, especially their first round from Kentucky. So maybe their past defense gets a little bit better. But

their linebackers always look small. And, I mean, Derek Henry always looks just way bigger than their guys. Now, in fairness, he's like the biggest running back in, I don't know, the history of the league. He looks like a defensive end. But I just, man,

that was was nuts. One pet peeve I have, and we were talking about this before we press record here, I do understand, even though I don't necessarily always agree with it, but I get it. The whole point of a game is to try to win it, right? So when you're down 14 points in the fourth quarter, you score and you get seven points, right? You then got to score again seven points. The game is tied. So the numbers, elitist, I'll call them, always tell you you go for two when you score to make it six so you can just win the game. Worst case scenario, you don't get the two, you're down eight, you can still tie the game. They're big on that.

I don't understand going for two in that same situation, even in a crazy game like this, with a quarter and a half to go. There is just too much to play out throughout the game, and then you find yourself, if you miss the two-point conversion, and then you start chasing points and you miss another two-point conversion, it throws you all out of whack. So even if I've semi-come-around on, okay, I understand it, even though I don't always agree with it,

I can't comprehend making that maneuver with, I don't know, 20 plus minutes left to go in the game, actually more than that, because when the bills first did it, in the third quarter, I think there were eight minutes to go, in the third quarter. So you have a quarter,

and more than, I mean, quarter and a half, more even. I just, I didn't understand it. Now, it all worked out in their favor. They ended up winning by one, but I don't, I thought that was a little crazy. And then he finally scores and he kicks the field goal. So, I don't know. I just, I think sometimes with the number stuff, and listen, coaches are old school. So once they make that change, do you know what it tells you?

The owner slash the front office has a lot of juice, and they're telling them to do that. And they know that if it fails, because I don't think that's what Sean McDermott would normally do, but he knows that if it does screw up and it does not come up in his favor, as in they don't get the two-point conversion, no one will be mad at him. Because the chart speaks for itself and the owner understands the chart. You know, someone forwarded me today, and it's been going viral, even though it was a situation from last, year is Jim Ursay's daughter likes to be on the headset during the game. I don't know if she was today, but last year she spent time on the headset during the game. And I had a couple of people

on like Instagram forward me the article, like what I thought of this. And my initial take is you could understand some, I guess, of just the tone they're talking, but you could put me and you on the headset, let alone an owner. If you put me on a headset with people speaking Chinese or French, I'd be able to understand when they were screaming at each other, but I'd have no clue what they were talking about. So she could be on the headset, 17 games. Just like 99% of fans could be, you would not know what's going on, because you don't speak football language, i.e. the place. So the majority of the stuff on the headset is them talking about play calls. And it's a foreign language unless you know the playbook, which no one would. So I see some of these situations.

the analytical community because so many teams have invested so much in the stats or that side of the business because the owners all come from the business community. They understand, you know, talking numbers that they do stuff that I feel like these coaches are not comfortable doing, but they know that they're not going to get in trouble. They know there's no recourse of getting mad at me. Honestly, you get mad at me when I don't follow the numbers. So I think most of them have kind of gone Siriani. you know, John Harbaugh did this years ago, going forward on two all the time.

I was honestly, and going forward on fourth down, a little surprise when the Ravens punted to the bills that they didn't go for it. And even Collinsworth brought it up, like, I would go for it right here. Or like, they could easily justify going for it. And I kind of thought he would. And when he didn't, maybe it's week one, maybe he would be a little more likely to do it later in the season. But I wonder if he had that to do over again.

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as they age, they slow down. He looks like he's as fast as ever, as explosive as ever, as talented as ever. I mean, he's had 1,900 yards last year. I mean, what do you have tonight? 180? I know he had the bad fumble, but he is, that pickup, you know, we talked so much about Sequin Barkley because he won the Super Bowl. He had 2,000 yards.

He got another contract extension this offseason. Derek Henry has been every bit as big of a pickup for them. And again, I know he fumbled the ball, which, I mean, eventually, I guess, cost them the game, but they were also dominating the game because of him. And his running and ability to, they have to spend so much energy and effort kind of corraling him. So on any of those kind of quarterback running back, keep, give plays, everyone goes to 22. And as the game went on, how often did Lamar keep it and took off? I mean, there was a stretch a day where Lamar's,

scrambled around, ran for like 20 or 25 yards, and then Derek Henry next play, bust a touchdown run. Like, what are you supposed to do? You guys feel like video game players. It had a little bit of a feel like back when Tyree killed Travis Kelsey and Mahomes, when Mahomes first started, like, what's going on here? But usually when you have those type moments, you win the game. So they're having these moments, and then they lose the game.

And they're looking, it's like, that team beat us twice, two times in a row. and there's a little, I don't want to say little brother syndrome when it comes to Sean McDermott and Jim Harbaugh. You know, Sean McDermott was much lower on the totem pole early on in Philly when they were both on the same staff. John Harbaugh was the more established guy. He, special teams coordinator, work with Jim Johnson, gets the head coaching job and Sean kind of works his way up.

John's older. Just fascinating kind of Andy Reed tree there of two guys going at it. But what a freaking game. What a game. Okay, where do we want to start? Let's start with some of the biggest losers because why not? I'm not going to beat a dead horse. We've been talking about this for a while.

During training camp, every team that was scrimmaged these guys and do joint practice, and they did two. They didn't want to do Detroit. And I think they did one with Minnesota. I can't remember correctly. There were comments coming out from the other team of basically, what, I'm not sure what's going on over there. Specifically when they played the Lions,

there were players for Detroit in the joint practices saying like that's, I don't know what they're doing over there. And I heard some people, I think, trying to be like, if you go, if every single person hangs a right and you are the one person that hangs the left, especially doing sports predictions and you get it right, you look like a genius

but I don't really know what that gets you it's not like anyone cares that much right it's easy to make fun when everyone's picking a game like on Monday night football and everyone picks the wrong team and that team posted out like happens all the time but when it's like yeah Miami sucks Miami's not any good no chance Miami's any good

and there's a couple people are like I think Miami's actually gonna be decent and this felt like well the situation I don't think there was a soul everyone's like yeah it's gonna be a long year Now, if you, I think they were probably going to compete for the number one overall draft pick. Some people might be like, I can see them win five, six, seven games. Like, okay, they got two.

They've won some games, especially September and October before. Not that crazy. You looked up today. They're playing Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones. Now, the Colts, they got good players on their roster. They got multiple impact guys on offense. They got some good players on defense.

You know, in theory, they have a good coaching staff. but it was like 20 to nothing at halftime. And two is throwing picks, airmailing people. You look up at one point in time, you had like 60 yards passing at one point during the game. You're like, this is awful. And then by the end of the game, and he's given a press conference,

people are forwarding me things about him talking about pressure. And it's like, listen, I get no joy. And honestly, at this point in time, I try to avoid watching anything Mike McDaniel when it comes to press conferences. I don't find it very interesting. I find it kind of uncomfortable at this point, and really it's just sad. I knew it was over the moment when all the people making the most money on his team

wouldn't show up to his meetings on ton. One of the most basic elements of respect in any industry, especially when there's a clear hierarchy, there's a small percentage of jobs that have such a clear hierarchy with a lot of people in the building, right? You got 53 players, you got a coaching, staff, 15, 20 guys. But the head coach, once the season starts, is the leader of that entire group.

So when there's a meeting at 8 a.m., when there's a meeting at 10 a.m., whenever there's a meeting, a team meeting, you know you're showing up on time for that guy. So you know if you're late in Baltimore, Harbaugh is going to be on your ass. And listen, it's the NFL. They'll find you. Like, a lot of times they don't even waste that much time. They find you. And sometimes, listen, we got a flat tire.

Something happens. Every human being screwed up. Right, that Jeff Bezos has screwed up. So I'm not saying that being late to a meeting, we've all been late a time or two. I don't care how punctual you are. But it was like Mike McDaniels, no one will listen to me. I don't know. Fines don't work.

I was like, this thing's over. And that was a year after Fangio was like, get me out of here. And this thing's going to get really ugly. So I guess you call them the biggest loser today, but I think we all saw this coming. One thing that concerns me a little bit is, I've said this about Caleb and Drake May, is a lot of their numbers and a lot of their stats last year came when they were down big, because they were always down big. The Patriots and the Bears were getting their ass kicked in the first half of games constantly.

So, for example, when people give me, well, Caleb was 20 and 6, I watched a decent amount of bear games. It felt like every single game, 17-0, 24-0. 23-3 at half time. So when you're in games like that, and your team is 7, 8, 10 games under 500, I don't take anything seriously that happens in the second half.

And if I'm going to be fair to Caleb, I put Drake May in that box. But I was like, listen, I want to like the guy. He seems like a fun player. You get Mike Vrable. You get Josh McDaniels. A lot of you guys have pushed back and said, John, you keep calling

Josh McDaniels a great O.C. Well, Belichick has taken so much shit as all Brady. How's Josh McDaniel? Daniel's not under the same umbrella because we and I and my pushback always well there's the one season with mac Jones they made the playoffs well today I just don't see it with Drake May no listen it's one game they don't have that much talent on offense I just watch a guy it's like I don't know if I can just bet on him to be some franchise changer and if I'm going to be hard

on him I also got to be hard on the offensive coordinator because every single time Josh McDaniels has gotten away from Bill Belichick it's been an epic failure so I'm not riding this team off like the Miami Dolphins. But I would say this today. You're playing at home against the Raiders. And listen, we'll get into the Raiders here in a second. I think you kind of got to win that game if we're going to take you seriously. And they just look, they just look bad.

I mean, they truly looked really, really bad. Offensively and defensively, all I've heard is like, this guy's a franchise quarterback. And hell, I'm probably guilty of just saying that. Josh McDaniels, they'll get them right. You bring in Henderson. You're bringing some guys. They're going to be good. And then they were terrible.

The other WTF moment today was, I, like many people, I'm high on the Broncos. Now, their defense looks fantastic. The team speed, the pass rush, the DBs, I mean, that's a group of freaks. I mean, that defense is going to kick some serious ass this season. But the quarterback was atrocious. I mean, that performance by Bow next today was an embarrassment.

Now, I kind of like the Titans. If you told me the Titans make the playoffs this year as a seven seed, there are crazier things that could come out of your mouth. Now, if I was a betting man, do I feel confident they're going to make the playoffs? I don't. If you told me they're in the mix in December, I do expect that. I think they're going to be a very, very feisty team. And their young quarterback, it doesn't get any more difficult than going to Denver

mile high in playing that defense. He is going to have some really good days throughout the season. I think their defense is actually pretty solid. Bo Nix was atrocious. He threw multiple interceptions. He had an awful fumble, and there were just countless drives where it just looked like, it's like the first game he's ever played in the NFL. The interception he threw out of half was the worst pick I saw of the day.

There were other interceptions today. That was the worst pick. You know, Tua floated one, purdy floated one, there were some bad interceptions. That could have been intercepted by multiple guys. The guy wasn't even remotely open, and the dbs were both in front of them waiting for. him. So if the Broncos are going to be a contender, and when I say contender, I don't mean a team to win 10 games to make the playoffs. This is a 10-win defense, even if the offense had me playing quarterback. They need their quarterback to be a legitimate guy. And Sean Payton, which I respect,

talks to everybody. He is very well connected in the media. And honestly, he's not one of those guys that, like, don't put my name on it. He's like, quote me on that. I respect his bravado. He's got a little Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells. He doesn't give a shit, which makes him great. That's why media people like him, because he'll give you great quotes. He'll just tell it like it is. But he has been anointing this guy as like the mobile Drew Brees. And you watch him today, you're like, this looks like the mobile practice squatter. So there is, listen, you win. You never apologize for winning in the NFL. I do think there's a little bit. bit of like, we got to fix whatever the hell that was.

And if it doesn't fix it, we got no chance to compete in this conference against these quarterbacks. Some of the big winners today. Obviously, the Green Bay Packers getting Micah Parsons was a huge deal. And in 2025, the first round picks they gave up for Micah Parsons do not matter. They have nothing to do with anyone because they don't exist. They're literally playing on Saturdays now. So those don't impact this team. Kenny Clark does.

So in 2025, as of the day, it was Kenny Clark from Micah Parsons, which every team in the history of sports would have made. And obviously Micah didn't practice all preseason training camp, so he's on a pitch clock. Crazy, his back was fixed. Are you telling me that a team that gave a guy $188 million, knew that his back wasn't an issue when he chased down golf for that first sack of his packer career and he was running like he was DK Metcalf or something I was like god his back

looks pretty loose yeah no shit which I got no problem with what he had to do to piss Jerry off but the Packers beat the living piss out of the lines now I was I told this to Colin this was a way bigger game for Green Bay than it was Detroit Green Bay went one and five at home and against Detroit last year, they lost both games. And I vividly remember sitting on the couch behind me watching the game in the middle of the season against the Lions, and it was ugly. They got worked.

I remember they kind of came back late, but it wasn't. The Lions owned them. So there was some of like, we need to beat this team. And two, this Micah Parsons bringing him the Juice in Green Bay division. We're not a one-and-five division team. We're a team with Super Bowl aspirations. and have to go above 500 in the division. And to go above 500 in the division,

you've got to take care of your home divisional games. So if you go 3 and 0, all you got to do is go 1 and 2 in the other games, you're 4 and 2, boom. The Packers looked awesome. And the first half, one thing that was hard to kind of figure out and wrap your head around

when you're arguing or talking with someone about football, I was like, Jordan Love Good? What's Jordan Love's deal? I'd be like, well, the first thing, half of his career, or his essentially rookie year starting after they traded Aaron Rogers, and he became the full-time starter. I was like, I don't think this guy's good. And even Goudicans went on the record during the buy.

Was like, yeah, he's got like 10 games to kind of figure it out or we got problems. And then he goes on like this eight-game stretch to end the season. We're like, is this Aaron Rogers? He beats the Cowboys. I'm like, this guy's a stud. They throw him a bunch of cash. Then last year against the Eagles, he gets injured. and it kind of derails their whole season.

Not derails like they win three or four games. They're still good team. But he's in and out of the lineup. He ends up hurting his hand as well throughout the year. It was just a bizarre, I think it was his hand injury. I know he hurt his hand as well this year, but he had multiple injuries, but starting with the ankle last year or knee against the Eagles. And it just, it was clunky.

And today in the first half, he's 12 to 16. He throws a couple touchdowns. But just he went back. He's confident. Boom. layered throws, stick throws. You're like, this fucking guy is slinging this thing. They're up 17 to 3 before you blink.

They're just cruising in the game. It's like, well, if they get that version of that guy, they can win the Super Bowl. They can compete to win the NFC. They can beat any team in the league. When that guy's playing at that level, the way he played that playoff game against the Cowboys, they can beat anyone.

Because their defense now with Halfley is really good. Like, it's just a well-coached defense. part of the downfall of the Packers, why the Niners always beat them in the playoffs, their defense always let them down. McCarthy, Dom Capers was a defensive coordinator, and then LaFleur had his buddy, Joe Barry, and it just never really worked.

They would always get gashed in the biggest moments. You watch them, they're a pretty well-run operation. Now, I'm not going to overreact the Alliance, though I do think the offensive coordinator is a little concerning. I think defensively, sometimes new coordinator, new voice, maybe some new schematic ideas it can take a little time to figure up the Ravens are a good example

when it's all said done the Ravens are going to be really good on defense look at last year they started off really slow by the end of the season they were one of the best defense I still think the Lions would be okay on defense offensively though to me the drop-off sometimes with offensive coordinators when it comes to instincts when it comes to feel

when your first time coordinator are 55 years old in a league that's dying to hire 35 37 38 your old offensive coordinators. I got you red flag. It's like, oh, Sean Payton, John Gruden, love him. Why did they never name this guy their offensive coordinator? Like, I like a lot of people. Wouldn't hire any of them. They're my good buddies. Don't want to work with them. So it's like, I love this guy. Why don't you make them your play caller? Well, I don't love them that much. And that's how this thing kind of feels.

So I think Lions offensively, something to kind of keep an eye on. I've said this forever. The older I get, the more I admire these people. Pete Carroll's, the number one advice I give any human being, because we all have different paths and we all have different routes to go wherever we're trying to get. Right. My route is going to be different than your route, whether it's professionally, whether it's in relationships to get married, to have kids.

There is no direct path to wherever. one's trying to go. Hopefully financial success, financial, you know, professional happiness, personal happiness. We all have different personalities, so we're all going to do things a little bit differently. But if I give most people amount of money at any age, especially past like 5560, where money is no issue and you can just retire and chill, the overwhelming percentage of people, even if they're passionate and they love what they do, would just be like, yeah, I'm to relax a little bit, hang out with my family. Pete Carroll easily could have ridden off into the sunset and just been like, you know what, I'm 72, 73 years old. I think he was the oldest guy today to

get a win in the National Football League. I think I saw that today or maybe get his first win with a new team in the National Football League. Might be screwing up the stat. But whenever I looked and I had the four box going and they were on the bottom right hand corner, he just looked like he had the same energy and the same love of football, he would have had 20 plus years ago standing there with Lendell White, Reggie Bush, and Matt Liner. Ten years ago with Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, Cam Chancellor, Russell Wilson, Doug Baldwin. And I really admire, obviously, his resume speaks for itself. He's going to have, I mean, in the Internet era, he's easily had one of the greatest football

careers, besides, like, Andy Reed and Bill Belichick and, like, Nick Saban. because even Nick Sab and Andy Reid, and definitely Bill Belichick's not winning after him, the guy won a championship in both college and the pros. But that is so unheard of, especially for a guy to be like viewed, yeah, he's kind of struggling in the NFL to become a legendary college coach

and then come to the NFL and just constantly win. And honestly, he's a poor couple play calls away from probably being a back-to-back Super Bowl champion. But watching Pete Carroll, let's face it, legitimize the Raiders. because the Raiders, and I've been around this team for a long time, they just don't feel legitimate very often. And I had SpyTech on the podcast before the summer break.

Like, he's just a real legitimate guy. He's a high-level personnel guy. He's been trained by the right guy. And I remember telling him this, like, how lucky you are to get your first job with mostly a dysfunctional organization. And let's face it, most times when a GM gets hired, the place is not doing well. So he's not alone.

But a lot of times you just hire like, oh, this Brian Dayball or Cliff Kingsbury or just some random coordinator. It's like, well, let's keep our fingers crossed. And more often than not, it's a disaster. You get Pete Carroll, a guy that is a sure, he should be a Hall of Famer in college and the pros.

Fucking legend. Who's just, who's like an upbeat, positive guy who has every experience known to man that he has been through with his own eye. who understands how to evaluate, who understands how to, you know, run a practice. It's like, what an awesome thing for John Spitech, whether Pete wants to coach three years, seven years,

however long it goes. But you watch the Raiders today, you're like, there's a well-run organization. And this is where I made a mistake. I thought, you know, Vrable, Josh McDaniels, will legitimize the Patriots. They're just going to be good. That was the Raiders.

Now, in fairness, the Raiders have better players. Like, Gino Smith today, much better player than Drake May. Max Crosby, best player on the field. Ashen Gentie, he didn't have a great statistical game, but obviously an elite talent, right? Brock Bauer's second best player on the field. Like the Raiders have better players. But we've seen a lot of times that when you get organizations that have talent, but the coach and the gym, all these people are over their heads, it doesn't matter.

Well, you get Pete Carroll, a real head coach, it just looks normal. Now, are they a playoff team? I wouldn't go that far. We'll have to find out how good the Patriots are I'm not going to say I'm going to completely change my tune like they're screwed but it definitely was a little concerning but I do know the Raiders is just a real football team

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Now Aaron Rogers, who I was watching at halftime, I was like scrolling around, watch some different stuff on YouTube. He obviously, now, he was asked the question, by a reporter about taking it to Aaron Glenn who made him fly from Malibu to New York and tell him that he doesn't want him anymore. And I remember when Aaron made a big deal about it, and my take was like, Aaron,

welcome to the reality of the NFL. That conversation literally happens to everyone except 0.0001% of the league. And for most of those people, they have to retire on their own. Tom Brady is an outlier. Like Rathesberger and Breez retired early. Like if you keep playing and don't want to retire,

Jim Ursay and the Colts told Peyton Manning he was cut. He said, we are moving. Peyton Manning had had that conversation. So Aaron was like shell-shocked, he had that conversation. But then he said, listen, he basically like it was a big deal to, you know, beat that organization over there.

I understand. And listen, we all have to generate our own, you know, drive and a chip on our shoulder at different points in time, especially, you know, Aaron's 41 years old. You got to generate some motivation. But the one thing I will say about the Jets is like, yeah, if you want to say, fuck Aaron Glenn. I don't like that guy. He told me to kick rocks, even if it was the right decision for him to move on. Like, I get Aaron being mad. But the Jets did literally everything Aaron wanted. They kissed his feet. Like, oh, you want, you want Nate Hackett?

Do you want us to send a private jet for his father and his, he's? He said, his mother-in-law as well. Name 17 or 18 players you want the former teammates and we'll sign them all. What do you want Aaron? They literally did everything. So for Aaron to like act like the Jets did him dirty, I got to disagree a little bit with that. But you throw four touchdowns. You start feeling yourself. I can still play. But yeah, your arm still works. And I feel like I'm being negative right now because I did watch him think, God, he looks pretty old. And the one thing's concerning is like, hey, listen, I think the Steelers could be pretty good if their defense was like the Broncos. But I'm watching Justin Fields look like Michael Vic meets Lamar Jackson run around, make

passes, make runs. I thought their defense looked atrocious. So I know Aaron threw four touchdowns. Listen, he's going to be able to throw the ball until he's 75 years old. That's never going to be an issue. But what made Aaron great was this superhuman mobility. That's kind of gone. He is much closer to a Kirk Cousins or Jared Goff now. Now he's better. He's definitely smarter. I mean, he's better in terms of his mind and manipulating everything and his ability to call, snap the ball early, did that today and get guys to jump. Like he's he's a savant when it comes to playing the position in terms of manipulating, using his mind. But his legs now, which made him an all-time great player as one of the great playmaking

quarterbacks of all time is done. And I said this earlier with Colin, and I'm going to say it all season long. He is much closer to the version that Tom Brady and Peyton Manning had to be their entire career. Play within a three or four year radius,

three or four yard radius around the tackle box. That's where you kind of stay. Now, Aaron is much more likely because he's gotten away with it his whole life, throw off that back foot. And today a couple times, It was a little dicey because the arm strength is still good

I don't know if it's all-time great which it once was but listen they won a game on the road he threw four touchdowns survived I would say the Yolo moment of the day I used to say and I said this last year

that Brock Purdy if he was going to be a great player had to be like Drew Breeze and just be in complete control of the game because his arm strength is not Josh Allen right? It's not on the high end of quarterbacks in the NFL. I'm going to retract that. That's not how he plays. He doesn't play like Drew Brees at all.

He actually is much more of a gun slinger, which gets him in trouble. He threw a couple, he threw two interceptions a day. And the second one was atrocious. He threw it into like triple coverage. Could have, like Bo Necks, could have been picked by like three guys. Just an awful decision. Now, maybe it's because he couldn't see. On his first pick, and Greg Olson kind of outlined it during the game.

I think he just got fooled. That happens. Guys get fooled. You think a guy's not going to be there because Christian McCaffrey is supposed to be, you know, like a checkdown. But Christian McCaffrey never got out because he was picking him a blitz. And the linebacker didn't have to honor him at all so he cheated and he got back and brought through it right to him. Whatever. I'm not going to make that big a deal over that.

The second pick was awful. But his game-winning touchdown pass, and listen, this shows you the difference between winning and losing in the NFL is so slim. I mean, from the Bill's Ravens game to the Jet Steeler game to most of these games. The margins are so small. This is not Texas A&M Eastern Western playing Florida State and losing 77 to zero. This is not Alabama playing the school of. of the blind. This is not that.

The NFL, these games are really, really difficult. That game could have gone anyway. And literally his game-winning touchdown pass, it felt like when it left his hand was going to get interception. Why? Because the DB was staring right at him, and it looked like he threw it right to him. Somehow a tight end that I've never heard of,

who's never even had a catch in the NFL, because George Kittle, who was supposedly in the best shape of his life, and early on in the game, looked as fast and physical as he, he's ever looked, pulled his hamstring, is out for who knows how long. Brock Purdy just threw it up, and his guy caught it, and he became the hero instead of the goat. Because if that DB catches that, and that's his third interception of the day,

and they lose this low-scoring game because he turns it over countless times in the second half, I don't care that Kittle and Joanne Jennings got hurt. He would have been eviscerated by everyone tomorrow. And listen, overall, he made a lot of good decisions. I think he's a pretty solid player. I think Seattle's defense is pretty good. It's fast. It's physical.

And he was making place, especially without really, I mean, his Hall of Fame tight end who got injured early in the game. And then Joanne Jennings got bounced late. I mean, Brock made some great throws to Ricky Pearson. Ricky Pearson looks really good. That's first round pick.

That guy's got a chance to be a stud in the NFL. But man, Brock was an incredible effort. like a third string tight end from bailing him out to hearing having a very rough weekend and i mean the the the kicker on the 49ers you just can't draft kicker sigh i used to support it be like hey listen you want to take a kicker or a punter at the end of the third round as long as the guy's a really good player you're not going to hear me criticize the pick much i've changed my tune i think under no circumstances can you take a kicker or punter to like at minimum the fifth

and even that's pushing it. Too often we see random undrafted free agents become great players. Matt Prater was at home probably playing golf on Monday or Tuesday, gets a phone call, takes a red eye, and by Sunday night is running on the field to kick a game-winning field goal and gets carried off the field. You do not need to take kickers in the third round. And the other thing is being a good kicker in college

doesn't guarantee a damn thing in the pros. Because they took Jake Moody in the third round and Jim Harbaugh went death, taxes, and Moody, and all I see is a guy that no one has any faith is going to make a kick. And he missed a kick today that felt like the equivalent of like a 10-yard kick. I mean, it was a joke. And then Kyle's freaking out. It's like, Kyle, this guy's been missing kicks now for years.

You can't get, I can't get mad when I go outside tomorrow and the sky is blue. Because you know what, the sky's going to be blue on Tuesday. It's going to be blue on Wednesday. It's like, this guy misses kicks every single game. This is never going to change. change as long as he's your kicker. I guess I'll save some of the Caleb Bear stuff for tomorrow. We can talk a little bit about the article, depending on how the game goes.

We'll end on this. John Gruden's coaching. I've said this over and over. He's coaching in 2006. I don't exactly know what Miami's going to do. I would lean that they're going to go a college coach because I don't think there's a great group of NFL coaches. you know, there's no Mike Vrable this year.

I think Belichick is pretty toxic at this point. Though, you know, Colin and I discussed it, it's not inconceivable given that the owner was in that division. Maybe he has a soft spot for Bill, but it doesn't even feel like there's going to be a Ben Johnson this year. Now, things can change. I do think the Kirby Smarts, the Ryan Days, the Lane Kiffins, they're all going to be in play for Miami. He's currently suing the NFL, and,

I refuse to get that deep into the nitty gritty, but it's been well reported that he's won some injections, and it's continuing. So I wonder if the NFL owners are just, like, get on board with the Raj and be like, listen, we'll just leave this guy alone. I think an SEC team's going to hire him. Now, what SEC job came open?

I was like, well, if LSU, if he, well, I think the LSU is going to be pretty good. Probably end up winning, I mean, at minimum being like the final four. But Brian Kelly's not losing his job. Florida's coming open. Billy Napier just lost to South Florida. I was watching that game on Saturday. Awful loss.

Now, South Florida might be decent, but you can't lose at home if you're Florida to South Florida. And now they play LSU this week, and they're, I think, 9.5. Point underdog, they're going to lose, and they could lose a pick. And if you look at their schedule, I thought they were good,

but you lose to South Florida no longer. I think you're good. I think you're actually probably pretty bad. And your offense with a star quarterback can't generate any points. You're in major trouble. So I would say my John Gruden watch right now, all indications would be Florida. So I would say that John Gruden, SEC, Florida, something to keep an eye on. So if you see Billy Napier get his ass kick this week by LSU, who knows?

Maybe they fire Billy Napier midseason and John Gruden's there before the end of the college football season. But something to keep an eye on. Have a great night. Talk to everyone soon. And let's rest up and get back on the. a wagon tomorrow. The volume. Hey guys, it's us.

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