The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Reid or Belichick, Jerry Jones is on one, Coaches and GM's introduced

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

John dives into the legacy of Andy Reid and how he compares to the other great coaches of all-time in NFL history, will he ultimately go down as the greatest head coach ever in the league. Next, John talks about Jerry Jones introducing the Cowboys new head coach and dives into why he thinks Jerry signed Brian Schottenheimer over another veteran coach. Lastly, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 5:07 - Coaches legacy's in the NFL 26:39 - Jerry Jones is on one 34:59 - Aaron Glenn introduced in NY 40:22 - Raiders introduce new hires 48:10 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What is someone's legacy? And obviously with public figures, whether you're a musician, an actor, obviously an athlete or a coach, there are ways we quantify that, how many hit songs you've had, how many big movies you've had as an athlete, how many championships you've won, how many games you've won, how much money you've made as a coach, same type thing. And, you know, I think in football, you have these kind of like transcendent individuals. Like, I never watch Vince Lombardi coach a game. But Vince Lombardi, to me, a football coach is kind of, the Babe Ruth. He is a name that his legacy and his impact was so strong that people discuss him. I'm 40 years old. I was born in the 80s. Vince Lombardi did not coach a game in the 80s,

obviously since then. Yet he was discussed like he was the greatest coach to ever walk the face of this earth. And I still speak like that. We still quote Vince Lombardi. Bill Walsh is a good example. I don't remember watching him ever coach a game in the pros. I kind of, mildly remember him at Stanford, but Bill Walsh's entire setup of his organization are things that Mike Shanahan kept, are things that Pete Carroll kept. Basically, his philosophical views on how to build a team is what Bill Belichick copied. And Andy Reid indirectly is from that family because Mike Holmgren got him his start in the pros, working for the Green Bay Packers, who had worked under Bill Walsh from the 49ers and coach Joe Montana and Steve Young.

So the cool part about football is all these things are interconnected. I'm watching John SpyTech today get introduced with the Raiders. He had the same job, maybe a little different, who knows, in 2005, as I had in 2010 with the Philadelphia Eagles. He got his start in scouting, working for Andy Reed. Howie Roseman became a general manager under Andy Reed. and a lot of personnel guys for Belichick, and we go, could Andy Reid ever eclips Bill Belichick? And I would have told you a couple years ago,

it's just going to be impossible. It's a numbers game. How's he ever going to get to six championships? And now you look and you go, well, he has a chance in less than two weeks to get his fourth and third in a row something no coach in NFL history has ever done. And while Belichick, like Andy Reid,

has a pretty powerful personnel group, A lot of guys have worked under Belichick, have worked under Andy Reid, and gone on to have success. I would say I think Andy's have had a little more success, but Bill has a lot of guys doing a lot of good things. Adam Peters got his start in New England, just led the freaking Washington commanders to the NFC championship game. Nick Casario has turned around the Texans back-to-back years they've won a playoff game. But as a coach, like one thing Bill Walsh had is think about all the guys that worked for him, that went on to great success. And that is the one knock on Belichick.

It's like, why couldn't anyone leave the Belichick umbrella and go on and do it for themselves? It's like, did he not share anything with anyone else? Clearly, Belichick left the New England Patriots, and the whole thing just fell apart. That's why they immediately fired Mayo and went right to Brable. And you look at Andy Reid, I was thinking of this yesterday, it's like, well, he just beat Sean McDermott,

who got his start with Andy Reid. Last year, he beat John Harbaugh, both in the conference championship game, who got his start in the pros with Andy Reid. So you're telling me the two other best teams in the AFC are Andy Reid guys? It's like kind of a big deal. You know what I mean? It's like Belichick doesn't have anything close to that of coaches that had worked for him. It's like that's the thing with Walsh.

It's like, you know, Walsh had Seifert. He had Holmgren. Seifert went on to win. We're going on to win. Steveord hired Shanahan. It's all the web went like this. Where Belichick's, it's like, when they're under Belichick, they're kicking ass and taking names.

When they leave the nest, it implodes. Well, it's like, if you think about it, Belichick gets a lot of, he went to nine Super Bowls. Is there, you know, this is Andy Reed's sixth. And now Andy Reed is in a category all by himself. No other coach, besides Belichick, has ever been to that many Super Bowls. So I think at this point in time You could put him in the argument If you had to mount Rushmore of football coaches

You could easily say It's Lombardi, Walsh, Andy Reid and Belichick And anytime you're nitpicking who's the best Some people would say Lombardi's the best I know where I come from You'd be hard pressed to get anyone to come off Bill Walsh Belichick might tell you is Bill Walsh I think Belichick's pretty special

What Andy Reid is on right now is the ultimate heater and if he wins three straight, like that's got to be worth something because it's literally Belichick and Brady never did it. And the thing is, it's like, well, Belichick won some Super Bowls when he worked for Parcells as a defensive coordinator. Well, Andy did the same thing.

He was like one of Holmgren's right-hand men with the Green Bay Packers and Brett Farth won a Super Bowl, went to another. So he's had success as assistant coach, dominated as a head coach. And one main point of differentiation is like when they've got their all-time great quarterback, they kicked everyone's ass.

Andy won with a ton of other quarterbacks. I saw Mike Vick. Like, wasn't the easiest guy to play with, even though he was an exceptional talent. Right? Little inaccurate, kind of small, and got injured a lot. I wasn't there for Donovan McNabb,

but good player, solid player, had some flaws. Also, little inaccurate. And as we saw in the Super Bowl, back in the day when Torello and snapped on him, like, was out of shape. So it's like, Alex Smith, just physically pretty limited.

And he won a ton of games with all those guys. Then you give him Patrick Mahomes, he's just rattling off Super Bowls. He wins this thing. Like, he's not 80 years old. I'm not saying he's going to get to six, but I think it would definitely be in the realm of possibility, you know, because this team is going to be better next year.

I never would have thought that a couple years ago. It's like, how are they going to do this? How are they ever going to catch them? And it's like, well, now he's starting to be better. like, climbed the ladder, and you can see him seeing Belichick's ass. It's like he's not that far away. He's got to win this game to have a pretty good chance, and if he wins this game, I think it's definitely on the table. I think it would be possible. And that is insane. I don't think anyone would have said that three years ago. But that's what happens when you potentially win three

straight championships. And I think his legacy is more than just winning these championships. Where when you think of Bill, it's like greatest defensive mind ever champion. When you think of Andy, one of the greatest offensive minds ever, champion, an incredible human to work for. I know personally, change my life. I think there is probably slim to zero chance I'm working with Colin if I had worked for Doug Marone or some other random coach in the NFL in the 2010s, right? Instead, I worked for Andy Reed and Howie Roseman. You know, Howie Roseman's a good example.

when Chip got fired and Howie Roseman got put back into the chair of GM, the Eagles since then have been to seven, they've had seven playoff appearances, they've been to the conference championship three times, and obviously they've won all three. I think I wrote down yesterday, their previous scoring outputs before yesterday were when they knocked out Purdy, they won that game 31 to 7. When they played Minnesota with Foles, they won that game. 38 to 7.

And obviously they said a NFC record yesterday with 55 points. And Howie Roseman, where did he learn a lot of his how to build the team from? Andy Reid. So it's like, I just think his impact on the game is much closer to Walsh. And part of it is when you live in the moment, it's hard to take inventory and really factor it in. But like, just start factoring it in right now. It's fucking insane how many guys are Andy Reid guys who are dominating the NFL, coaches and executives. The only thing Bill ever had were executives because you put Matt Patricia, you put Josh McDaniels, you put Joe Judge, you put any of these guys in charge of your organization, like that thing on fire because it's got no chance.

It's going to be ugly. You give Andy, even his high floor guys. Like, listen, Ron Rivera's never going to go down as Bill Parcells, but. He took the Panthers to a Super Bowl. I know I attended the thing. Now, I bet against him, but still, Cam Newton, MVP, Ron Rivera, Super Bowl. Like, that happened. We all witnessed it.

So I think when you look at Andy Reid, even if he doesn't get to six, you could argue if he goes to five, his overall impact on the sport and his influence with different teams is going to be stronger than Belichick. And I'm not anti-Belichick. I'm not one of those guys who thinks he's overrated, who thinks it was all Brady. he's elite just like Andy but their personalities you know Bill's is like

I'm kind of angry at the world unless you're Michael Lombardi or I guess Josh a little bit I'm just fucking pissed off not here to bullshit we're like Andy clearly teaches his guys a lot more and the other thing is this

he does the most valuable thing in the history of the sport can coach the quarterback and that mattered in the 70s that mattered in the 90s that mattered in the 90s these and that obviously matters right now. Not that Bill can't.

I think Bill can coach any position, but he ain't that. He can't do that. And I think having that skill is a separating factor. So I think when you look at what's on the line and listen, Legacy Talk and where you stand all time, you can say it's cheesy or whatever, but when you get these all-time, you can say it's cheesy or whatever, but when you get these all-time grates in these positions, like this is kind of on the table. And he wins this, he would be in a category all by himself.

Like the Mahomes talk a couple years ago sounded crazy. Well, think about this. He's playing in his fifth Super Bowl. He joins two other guys that can say that as well. Obviously, Tom Brady and John Elway. Joe Montana, who won four Super Bowls, can't even say that. Troy Aikman, who won four Super Bowls. three Super Bowls. Can't say that.

Guys like Farr, of Roger, Steve Young, they only played, well, I guess Steve, they only won one, and Steve only played in one, Rogers only played in one, and Fav played in two. So like Mahomes has entered this category, and I get asked about it a lot as we talk about it a lot, like, can he catch Tom Brady? Well, it's obviously going to be very difficult,

but he is climbing up, like Andy Reid, they are chasing those two guys, and they are hot on their tail. and a lot like those two guys in the biggest games, I don't remember play for play in every game Belichick and Brady were ever in, but I remember always leaving those games going, what a freaking win. That was remarkable how they pulled that game out of their ass.

Say the same thing about the Chiefs. I heard of staff today driving around. Like, Mahomes has been losing in nine playoff games in the second half. He's won six of them and two other ones he took to overtime. So his ability to be down, and part of like what Brady really hung his hat on, obviously he could see. He was tall. And by, you know, when he really came into his own, his arm got stronger, I thought, in his career. But like past 07, like he had a big time arm.

But like was his mental toughness. How unfazed the guy was. And there is that element with Patrick Mahomes. Like, obviously, athletically, he's superior to Brady, a little shorter. I would say a little more vibrant arm definitely can manipulate the ball a little bit and because he can move but I think the intangible stuff

is when you watch Patrick Mahomes yesterday hit you it's like I didn't end up betting on the game because I was out of money by the time the game came around because I blew it on some other stupid stuff but I remember thinking in what world how would I pick against this team

and I even had some buddies on the chiefs like what do you think I'm like yeah I don't I don't know. I just tried to be different. And I'm not rooting against you guys. Like, I love watching you. I'm not one of these haters. Like, it's just a referees.

It's just the league. No, that was the Lakers. Like, that's an objective fact. That happened. Bob was in on it. So was David Stern. That's not happening here. But, like the Patriots,

they're creating these wins. They knew Josh Allen does the tush push standing up to the left over the left guard. They were stuffing his ass constantly. that wasn't random like that didn't just randomly have you know pretty good penetration there no Jim Nance literally said it they know it's coming and they know where he's going to be

and I told this to Colin like that's not a tush push that's a quarterback sneak one team runs the tush push even Mark Andrews no Mark Andrews when they brought him in for the Ravens he runs what Josh does he just stands up and he goes forward and he's big and powerful and he usually gets it. Jalen Hertz disappears. You don't see him until they just mark first down and then he gets up or a touchdown.

But I was also thinking about this, like Texan was and buddies on the Chiefs, they think Josh Allen is a superstar. And they have nothing but admiration for his just competing against him. But like, think of the disadvantage, and I would throw Lamar, whose coordinator, just got a contract extension. And Joe Burrow, whose coach is also the play caller in Zach Taylor, you're playing Andy Reid, who is the play caller for Patrick Mahomes. So you have, I mean, Walsh on the short list, Walsh, Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, I mean, some of the great playcallers in the history of the sport, they got it.

And they got one of the best quarterbacks of all time. And you got great quarterback, right? Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson. It's like, you got Todd Munkin, who's not as good as Steve Spagnola. You got Joe Brady, who's up-and-coming good play caller, who's not even 40 years old. You think he's going to fucking beat Joe, or Steve Spagnola? You got Zach Taylor, who, let's face it. I think Joe Burroughs' superstar, who doesn't.

but like if Mahomes doesn't get a concussion in that NFC championship game do the Bengals win come on never seen Mahomes play like that in a playoff game ever so it's not a fair fight and who your partner is as a star quarterback Montana got Walsh Brady got Belichick Peyton Manning is probably the outlier that I or you could have coached him it didn't matter I remember hearing stories when I worked in the NFL, when they would walk out to practice, he would say,

give me the practice script and give me a red pen. This is when he's in his cleats and his shoulders and his helmet. And he would make corrections before practice started of what he wanted. That's not normal. Why? Because Peyton Manning was their offensive coordinator. Aaron Rogers is tempted to do that this year. How'd that go? So I just think that this matchup, the legacies, what's in the line, Diesel and Mahomes as well are much closer to Belichick and Brady than anyone would have thought a year ago. That's what happens when you win your second straight Super Bowl and have a chance to win your third. This ain't the little itty-bitty tiny bowl. This is the Super Bowl 59. Get in on the action at Draft King Sportsbook and official sports betting partner of Super Bowl 59. Scoring

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rare form. Now, one thing's clear. Jerry could sell ice to an Eskimo. He is, an elite salesman. I went looking at some cars like a month ago and sales guy was giving me the business. And then for the next couple weeks, he's just wearing me out. And listen, I appreciate and some of you guys listen that it's tried to sell me on different things. I appreciate a good hustle.

Doesn't mean I'm going to accept. Doesn't mean that I want your business, but I do appreciate the hustle. and anyone in sales, like, it's a tough job. And you get numb to being told no a lot. People ghosting you. Like, it's challenging. Jerry approaches these press conferences and the way he talks to people. Like he's trying to sell you a car. Like he's trying to sell you something.

And it's like, I even kind of bought some of his bullshit today. Talking about Brian Chattanoimer. I think two things can be true. Because I judge you on your actions, not what you your words, they mean little than nothing to me. They put this press release out on Friday night.

So, Jerry can claim he was excited about it, but if he was as excited as he thought other people would be excited, he would have put it out Monday morning. But he knew that everyone was going to shoot

on this hire, and no one has any clue of Brian Schott and Heimer is going to be any good. No one does. I don't. Like, you're telling me that Brian Schadenheimer

can't win 11 games next year. I don't know. Like, I think everyone acts like he's going to be the village idiot. Like, he's coached in the NFL for a long time. His dad was a very successful coach. He's been a successful coordinator at certain spots. He had some success in Seattle. He obviously had success when he was with Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez

and had the number one running team, rushing team in the league with the New York Jets. Like, this guy, people act like he's, it's insanity. Now, it's insanity because part of this. becoming a hot candidate is either being like Ben Johnson or you have the best offense or being a coach where you have the best defense in the league. And it's just like regardless of what I sound like or what my agent pumps to the media, my work speaks for itself. Or I have the agent that pumps everything to the media and just gains and garners attention and buzz and just people talking about me. and Brian's Shottenheimer Nolan's been talking about him for years

so anytime that you're like that it's a little out of sight, out of mind also it's like why did you fire McCarthy for this guy? I think all the questions are valid but we cannot argue that Jerry Jones is the ultimate showman

and runs his team like a reality television show and rightfully so that's all football is now. Ultimately winning and losing the games means a lot to fans and means a lot to the players and coaches as it should.

But the reason all this money funnels in is because we watch the games win or lose. And come Sunday, come Monday, come Thursday, millions upon millions of people are watching the reality television show that is the NFL. And if you're watching the games, a large percentage of those people follow the coaching movement, the player movement, the drama in the NFL. not to the level of like, you know, just all about the drama, but that plays a part in this. And the more people engage, the more people watch, and the more money the league makes. And Jerry has been on the forefront of that movement.

So Jerry putting this press release out Friday takes away from everything he stands for. Now, I also think Jerry pushes back that I don't want to be uncomfortable, and he said that today, or, you know, like you guys act like I'm unafraid or I'm afraid to be uncomfortable. And he called BS on that. Well, Jerry, I think this was the easiest thing for you to do. And I don't blame you. If I was 82, I probably wouldn't throw a huge Hail Mary of some human being I didn't know. And I also think that Jerry's job is not as valuable as people would assume it would be from years past of being your

head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. And Jerry had some incredible lines like, you know, when he was on the team at Arkansas that won the national championship way back in the day that he aspired to be a football coach. But football coach didn't make any money and he wanted to live in a big house and drive a nice car. So he got into business. And if he knew how much football coaches were going to be making, he just would have gotten to football coaches because he knows because he pays them all now. Like, he was just, he makes you smile. He makes you laugh. But I do think the Cowboys are.

kind of the worst version, and let's face it, you know, Jerry's 82. Most shows, some of the greatest shows of all time, usually don't end great. Usually when you get hooked is early on. Isn't that kind of the Cowboys?

Especially if you're my age or a little bit older, if you're somewhere between 35 to 55, like, your best memories of the Cowboys are the mid-90s. I guess if you're 35, probably not, but my age, or older, most recently would be the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys.

And that hooked you because how could it not? Turned into a little dynasty, some of the greatest players in the history of the game, Jimmy Johnson, Jerry Jones, just kicking everyone's ass. If it wouldn't have been for the 49ers, you'd probably win four straight Super Bowls. Maybe Brett Farf, too. But this thing's ending pretty ugly, man. It really is. And listen, I have no, not anti-Bryon Schadenheimer at all.

But I think when you look at the Eagles and how dynamic that franchise is of doing everything necessary to build the team, make moves, being on the forefront of trends, how are you going to compete with that? How are you going to compete if Jaden Daniels just maintains his level of play? Even if he doesn't dramatically improve, but that is just the Jaden Daniels we see moving forward. You're not going to. you can't and I think one thing with Jerry is he's always like a year short like he had the opportunity to hire Sean Payton

he didn't hell he had the opportunity last year could have just fired Mike McCarthy and named Dan Quinn as head coach but he didn't he let him go to Washington that was on the table he could have done that but he chose not to and that's what I think he's desperately trying to force

like I want my guy on my staff sometimes that has to happen organically. And it feels like Jerry can just never get it right over the last 10, 15, 20 years. And every time he's tried, it's kind of blown up in his face. And he gets defensive. And I would too if I was in his shoes. But this is going to be tough.

This is going to be really, really tough sledding. You know, it's funny. I saw Aaron Glenn's quote today saying that he will not be the defensive coordinator, that he will hire somebody, and he will be the CEO. of the team. And I was thinking about this, it's funny, whenever these defensive guys get hired, they almost

immediately become the CEO and no longer call defense, even though the reason they got hired was because of his defensive expertise. And I'm not trying to hate on Aaron Glenn. He is not alone by any means. Robert Sala, who was in that seat

and on that dais, whatever, four or five years ago, did the same thing. Got hired. then immediately gave up his play-calling duties and became a CEO. Yet basically, every time I see an offensive head coach hired, I saw Liam Cohen ask, will you call plays? Yes, I will call plays.

Ben Johnson, will you call plays? Yes, I will call plays. That's the reason I was hired. I'm going to be the head coach and the offensive play caller. Yet these defensive guys never do it. I don't have a great theory for it, but I say it all the time. And Aaron Glenn's, I would say probably a little more unique than solid,

just given his long, long playing career. But when I hire a coach, specifically a young guy, I'm glad all these offensive guys say, yeah, I'm going to call plays. That's the fucking reason they hired me. So I wish Aaron Glenn, best of luck. He mentioned the Aaron Rogers situation. They hope to have figured out essentially sooner than later. I think if I was a betting man sitting here on January 27th,

I would guess that Aaron Rogers is not going to be on the team. And I would guess that Aaron Rogers is going to have options to play other places. And it wouldn't shock me if a place like the Raiders, Aaron Rogers, if I'm guessing today, I think it's more unlikely that Aaron Rogers is retired, and it's more unlikely that Travis Kelsey is playing. Well, I think if a lot of people would seem like Travis Kelsey is going to keep playing, their team's good, and Aaron Rogers is going to retire.

I think it's the opposite. I expect Travis Kelsey. Again, I don't have any inside information. I bet he retires, and I bet Aaron Rogers attempts to keep playing. You know, I like Robert Saul. I've rooted for Robert Saul for a long time. But I think any time that a coach finds himself in a difficult spot,

and he just goes back to the well, you can get in some trouble doing that. And I think Kyle Shanahan has really had a hard time once Domeco left. And Domeca was a pretty special hire. Obviously, Steve Wilkes just didn't vibe for whatever reason with Fred Warner and Nick Bosa. This year with Sorenston was just a disaster. It didn't go well. And it wasn't all his fault.

And the 49ers got lucky that, you know, Robert Sala just didn't really have any other options and they're paying them a lot of money and they're just getting the band back together. But sometimes when, and it's different, like they didn't break up. It's not like he fired him. He got another job. But there's, I would say, usually a reason like ex-girlfriends or ex-boyfriends, they get back together and it's just a little different. Even if early on, you're like, God, this sparks are flaming again.

Woo-hoo! So I'm rooting for this to work, but I don't know. I just don't think it's his plug and play. And we see this sometimes with coaches. You know, Belichick always does this with his guys, brings guys back. I just think there's a lot of risk involved. And, you know, this time around, you know, before Robert Sala was a different man. He didn't have millions upon millions of dollars in the bank.

Kyle Shanahan could tell him to jump and he'd say how high. Well, if I'm Robert Sala, it's like, I'm not going to get yelled at all the time by you, Kyle. I'm not going to just get in these contentious arguments over philosophical disagreements, which are natural in football. But before it's like, okay, Kyle, I'll do what you want to do. Like, no, Kyle, I'll get a pretty good idea of what I'm doing, what I want to do. And I think sometimes when you get people at different points in time in their career, you might look at that person the same, but they no longer look at you the same or their position the same. and it's going to be fascinating to see how that works because if I'm Robert Saut and obviously him and Kyle have a good relationship, but the relationship dynamics of like I'm not just this little nobody who's trying desperately to take the next step.

Like I took the next step and I got paid $20, $30, $40 million. So like I'm doing this because I like football. I like coaching guys. But I don't have to be doing this. So how you treat some of these other coaches. I'm not saying he treats him bad, but like I'm not really feeling that today, dog. It's going to be fascinating to watch. I just everyone's jumping for joy, and it's exciting because it's,

I would much rather have him than Sorensen or Steve Wilkes. But I don't know, man. I think these situations sometimes can get a little weird. I watch Pete Carroll and SpyTech today. SpyTech, very, very cool moment for him, getting to run a team, starting, you know, I started in those same seats. Now I'm podcast and he's an NFL GM. You could just tell the excitement.

And you could tell Pete, you know, I mean, Pete changed John Schneider's life. I mean, when Pete got that job in Seattle and hired John, and now John's gone on to become one of the best general managers in the league, and I think SpyTech realized, like, this is a pretty unique opportunity. I get my first job. And I get a guy that just knows what he's doing. But when you watch Pete and his age gets three, growing out a lot.

Like, it's very synonymous with his name. Pete Carroll, he's 73. Pete Carroll, he's old. Pete Carroll, it's like, God. You watch him talk. He does not talk like a lot of 73-year-olds. His energy is, I would say, second than none in the NFL right now, relative to even some of the younger coaches.

So I think, I don't know if you're getting whatever Seattle got 14 years, you're not getting that. But I think if things go decent, like you get four or five strong years out of Pete and then just figure it out from there. And I think the most important thing, like that's why Kyle Shanahan hired Robert Sala. I just need to get someone who knows what they're doing. I can't get a first time coach. I can't get a coach.

I don't know. I just need to get a guy that knows what he's doing. And we'll figure out some of the dynamics from there. I totally understand why I did that. And if Robert Sala, we have a lot of success and he goes on to become a head coach in two years. We'll figure that problem out once we get there. We will cross that bridge then. Right now, we need to get going in the right direction.

and no team needs that more than the Raiders. Two winning seasons and multiple decades. It has been ugly. They've been a laughing stock. And it's like, Pete Carroll's the real deal. And the one thing with Pete, and he talked about today, and I really admired this. And they talked about, like, why are you doing this, Pete?

He was asked this question multiple times. You've accomplished everything there is to accomplish in football. National championships, Sue Bowls. You're going to go to the Hall of Fame one day. Multi-millionaire. He's like, I never got into it for any of that. I got into it because I like doing this.

I like the process of trying to get to the playoffs, to win a playoff game, to win a Super Bowl. And you just get this guy who's just very driven. And I think you're going to get the best to be Carroll now. A lot like Aaron Glenn, a lot like Liam Cohen. Your roster is your roster, and your quarterback's your quarterback. and unless you're able to get a massive upgrade, it's just going to be very tough sledding,

and it'll be interesting to see who the quarterback is for the Raiders. You know, Aaron Rogers, is he Pete Carroll type guy? Would he go back if Russell Wilson's available? I would never say never. At least just for a one year to get the thing going in the right direction. Because remember, when Pete Carroll took over Seattle in 2010, I think they set a record from, most transactions in a calendar year.

I mean, they were cutting, trading, signing guys at an unprecedented rate. It was insane. And then within a couple years, all of a sudden, they had LLB, they had Russell Wilson, they had Doug Baldwin, they just had a lot of good players. And they trade for Marchion Lynch, and boom, they're just legit.

But they churn that roster like never seen before. And I think the Raider, if you're a Raider fan, you should just be kind of proud. Like, we just got real people running the organization. Hey, it's us the Jonas brothers and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news?

Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we

actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, Hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad,

Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Just listen. and we don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel,

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Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you. you get your podcast. Okay, let's do a little thing we call the Middlecough mailbag. At John Middlecough, at John Middlecough is the Instagram firing those DMs. Get your question answered on the show. Just my name. At my name.

Fire in my Instagram DMs. Get your questions answered on the show. Start with Carter. Big fan and a nerd for sports history. As a lifelong Yankee fan, it's probably easier for me to be into that more than others at my age 26. My question

is about John Elway, who was a former Yankee draft pick. I think when we talk about sheer armed talent, he does not get enough credit and is not really mentioned as much as guys like Fav and Prime Rogers when

comparing top tier arm talent guys from today, Alan Herbert Mahomes. Do you agree, and if not why? Yeah, I mean, I would put Elway, I would throw Marino as well, just YouTube Elway Marino, mid-80s, Broncos, and the Miami Dolphins. It's like, watch some Elway in the late to mid-80s. Watch Dan Marino.

Type in Dan Marino Miami Dolphins against the 49ers in the Super Bowl in, I think, 1985, and just watch his first drive. I mean, he throw, those guys have howitzers. those guys pure arm talent were as good as anyone that's ever played football. Both those two guys. I think Elway was a much better athlete, but just through my work, I've met a lot of people that have played against Marino, that played in the mid-80s and the 90s, that said Marino's arm was the best.

Obviously, John had a great arm as well. So, I mean, yeah, these guys are all-time great arm guys. For the mailbag. Last week you said something about players playing in the off season. You were saying that players get paid for the regular season. Then the off season is for them to cement their legacy. Obviously, they get some compensation for their playoff games, but not to the level that their contracts are for.

My question is, do the playoffs help determine contracts in the future? And how much of the fact do they play? because the highest paid player is DAC was $60 million a year and has little to no success in the playoffs and for him it's a lot easier to just shit the bed every year in the regular season

every year and in the regular season just collect $60 million. So how much does playoff success weigh into contract negotiations? I think it depends who you are. You know, Dax, his negotiating power was just like, I'm good, right?

And this is the going rate. I think a guy like Brock Purdy is going to use success in the playoffs, wins and losses. I think it's more, I mean, you do get paid. Like, if you're a player that I can win 10 to 12 games with, you're going to get paid a lot of money. Whether we like it or not. Like, you are going to get paid a lot of money. And it's just, you know, the playoffs, once you're going to be paid a lot of money. I want your Patrick Mahomes, writer Chris Jones,

like those guys, did they make that much more than the next guy? Not really. So regular season, you get paid for the regular season. Before the question, I just want to say, you're my go-to on the NFL. Question, if you were the GM of the Steelers, what steps would you take to get them back on track? I'm so tired of the same shit every season,

a little to no changes. Obviously, defense, they got to say healthy, which there's nothing you can do as a GM or coach. Defense, when the year starts, I mean, they clearly always have pieces, right? And their defense was really good until they had some injuries and they fell apart. But you've got to find a way

to solidify the quarterback position. And right now, I think I saw a quote from Art Rooney that he thinks one of the two quarterbacks are going to come back, Justin Fields or Russell Wilson. I can't fathom bringing back Justin Fields, especially if you're like, we'll bring back Justin Fields to be our starter.

Why didn't you just start him down the stretch in some of those games? when Russell was playing like shit. How could you bring back Justin Fields? How does that make any sense? I don't know. I mean, you've got to find a quarterback. You have to find a quarterback.

And you take some of these flyers on these offensive weapons, some of them blow up in your face. Obviously, George Pickens is a big-time talent. But your character, your competitive character, like, look at the Chiefs. Look at how hard, the bills aren't that talented on defense. look how hard they play. You watch George Pickens, you're like,

this is the type player that's on a bad team. Now, they can overcome them because of their infrastructure and their culture, but, like, kind of bit them in the ass down the stretch. So I think they need to value the competitive character. They really had that in their good teams. You know, when I was in the 2000s, when I was in college, when I got in the league in the 2010, 11, 12, 13.

I remember seeing them in like 14, 15, live. They just had so much competitive character. It feels like they've lost that a little bit. Watching Joe Burrow this year really cementes him as an all-time great player on a crappy team. I know that playoff success is factored into legacy. However, it feels like the mainstream media is lazy by chalking up everything to that. Clearly, the other great quarterbacks in the league wouldn't have the Bengals primed as Super Bowl favorites. I think sometimes we're so quick to talk, you know, Mahomes, he's in such rare air.

I mean, let's face it. Mahomes is beating him all, right? Beat them all. So Mahomes is doing things. Like, Mahomes shouldn't be compared anymore to any of these guys. Right, Lamar, Josh Burrow, especially if he wins in two weeks. He will have four Super Bowls, those guys have a combined zero. The only thing they have in common with them is they're all.

rich. But in terms of winning the big games, he's the only guy pulling it off. But I think we're so quick to like, what's Lamar's legacy? What is Joe Burroughs legacy? What is going to define Joe Burroughs? It's like, guys, he's 28 years old. He just turned 28 years old. So if he could stay healthy, he should have minimum. I'm going to be conservative, like six, seven good ash years of his. prime left. Let's just see how it plays out. Like, their team got off to a rough start. They should be better next year. Get some draft picks. They miss the playoffs. Drafted a little bit higher. Make some moves. Let's just take a deep breath.

Eventually, Mahomes is not going to win a Super Bowl. Eventually, that's going to happen. We're just not even being the Super Bowl. I thought it was going to be this year. Clearly wrong. I just bit on the odds. Because, hell, Brady, it happened to everybody. eventually one of these other cats is going to be in that game. Again, Burroughs the last one. But like, and when that happens, can they win it? But I think we're so quick legacy. Like, Joe Burroughs is a stud.

Joe Burrow is a baller. But to try to, like, make some, like, I don't even know how to describe it. We're just, it's kind of the first take culture. Let's just, we got some time here. He's a badass. He was unreal this year. Unreal. His coach and his defense let them down.

But like John Elway, Dan Marino, Aaron Rogers, like, guys, Peyton Manning, guys have a weird season. It happens. Still play well. I'm a lifelong Charger fan in Newport Beach and have been here, have been since the San Diego days. While our franchise has been rocky, has a rocky reputation, I feel that we finally are ready to contend consistently with Jim. Given that we have to play Mahomes and Reed twice a year, as well as the other competition in the AFC West, where we pop like the Lions this year, or like the 2017 Eagles, seems like our only shot to win a title.

What do you think the best course of action for the Chargers this off season would be to obtain a roster where that is a possibility? Obviously, our defense was great last year, but they lacked a great pass rusher down the stretch. With Mac and Bosa getting older, and a weak free agency in draft D line class, it seems unlikely that they fill that hole. I think the one thing with Harbaugh

is because he put such an emphasis on who his defensive coordinator is, he's always been able to manipulate the defense. Obviously, when he has great players, he dominates. But even this year, like, Khalil was old, Bose was in and out of lineup. Derwin, you know, you could blame Brandon Staley, but it felt like, is Durham still a top-end player?

And then it was like, God, this team's really, really good. on defense. It is an offensive league. Obviously, you've got to play defense to win the playoffs. We know that. It's a problem with the bills. They've got to get better on defense. You know, look at the Eagles.

I mean, they have the best defense in the league. Look at the Chiefs now, how good they've been on defense for four or five years. But you need your offense score points. And if Ladd-McConkey is your best weapon, you got problems. I think the key to the Chargers, this offseason, find a tie-end or wide receiver who can be an impact play guy and find a running back

who can just be a bell cow luckily in this draft you're going to be able to draft a running back on the second day who's going to be an immediate starter how are you going to find your impact skill guy I don't know I don't have the answer to that but I'm interested to see what Jim does what do you think about the Patriots hired McDaniels as their offensive coordinator I thought they were trying to hire

outside the bill tree this time around Vrable played for Bill but never coached with him. Curious your thoughts on the hire and maybe what he could scheme for Drake that's different from what he scheme for Tom. That's a good question. We talked about this, I think, last week. I don't think Vrable at this point in time of his career would hire anybody he doesn't want to hire. But you can't tell me that this hire wasn't influenced by the crafts.

Twofold. They obviously really like Josh. Josh is kind of cheap. Why? Because Mark Davis is still paying them. And I think one knock on the crafts is like they're kind of cheap. So like was this craft forcing this on Vrable and he was just cool with it? I think they always wanted somewhat of a mobile quarterback. You know, their plan for their Steve Young was Jimmy Garoplo.

And Jimmy had some mobility when he was younger. So I think they aspired to get that. Now, you know, can he use Drake who's much. more of a hybrid player. I don't know. I'm sure they will. One major problem with the Patriots is like their skill guys suck. So they need

skill guys. They need skill guys. But their offensive line is just horrid. Terrific. I mean, it gets you killed. Literally. I mean, it did. Jacoby got hurt. Drake May was getting concussed. You've got to improve the offensive line, which I would imagine Vrable will do immediately.

Question for the bag. Bears now hiring Johnson and Dennis Allen to pretty large contracts, especially Ben Johnson. Do you think the McCaskies are finally realizing to be successful in the league, you have to have elite coaching and can't be cheap? Do you think this could be the turning point in the organization on how much money we spend if Ben is successful as a head coach? I think the Chargers, I think a lot of teams like the Bears who are owned by second and third generation family members who were taught by their parents, who obviously grew up wealthy, but

weren't billionaires. And so you're a billionaire now, but you're in the mindset of being a guy that was, you're never guaranteed to make a profit. So the McCaskies, who were the Hallis family when they bought the team, there was no guaranteed to make a profit for a large percentage of the history of the NFL. When Jerry Jones bought into the Cowboys, the financial. situation of the league is dramatically different now. But it doesn't take away from your mindset of when you made the purchase

and your core values as kind of a businessman. I say this all the time about coaches. Your core values as a coach don't really change. They are cemented when you're very, very young. Kyle Shanahan's core values as a coach running the football in defense, were cemented by his father when he was a teenager. Andy Reed has loved passing the ball since he played it, BYU in the early to mid-80s,

and that was their philosophy way ahead of the curve. What does Pete Carroll like to do, run the ball and play defense? Pete Carroll's not going to be a guy like Dan Campbell and Dan Quinn going for it all the time. Brian Schottenheimer. Anyone my age or older knows, like Marty Schottenheimer was very, very, very. very old school. Who are

Brian Schottenheimer's idols? His father and Pete Carroll. I know what the Cowboys are going to try to do. They're going to try to be good on defense and run the football. They're not going to have some up-tempo passing game. It's not what he's known for. That's not his core philosophy as a guy. And I think some of these teams, like, it's hard for the Bengals.

It was hard for the Chiefs before Andy Reid. And even with Andy Reid, it's hard for the Bears. Because organizationally, their core soul, ethos is trying to pinch every penny because that was bred and beaten into them from how they came up in the business despite now it's like you can't lose money paying a coach 10 12 million dollars a year I think the league gave a presentation was it last year or two years ago at one of the owners meetings and roger was like do you guys know that you're paying fired coaches and fired personnel people a total of 800 million dollars guess what he's

These guys have never been richer. So I think the faster you can shift your mindset, and I think it's something we all do. And you either are good at it, slow at it, or you're never going to be good at it. You've got to look at money like widgets and become numb to it. Now, that doesn't mean just throw money around and waste it and put yourself in precarious situations. But the faster you can look at whatever money you're making, and especially as you get older, if you make more money, become less emotionally tied to it. I think a lot of people get emotionally tied to money.

And I've saw it growing up. And I think it really limits your ability to make more. And the easiest way to make more is to not worry as much about it. That's my personal philosophy. And I think so many people that struggle with money, they get so emotionally tied to it. It's like, guys, it's just a fucking piece of paper. There's no country in the world that's easier to make it.

And if you're in the NFL, you've never made it. more. But if you worry the difference between when I saw that he was uncomfortable. So he's uncomfortable. Like you can pay a guy $7,8 million, but you're uncomfortable paying a guy $13 million. So the difference of $5 million a year, when you're getting $450 million from the league on television alone, and $5 million makes you uncomfortable, well, $5 million of $100 million is 5%. So you're talking like 1% of your television revenue is making you uncomfortable, how are you going to be successful when that's the case? Like, think about the numbers we're talking. Now, if it's 50% of your revenue, totally understand, like this is a big risk. You're talking tiny amounts

of money. This is for the mailbag. I'm personally tired of talking heads glazing Kyle Shanahan in his offense, had underperformance in every Super Bowl except the Falcons won, and they blow a 28 to three because he was unable to have good clock management. I will defend Kyle here. He's not in charge of clock management as a coordinator. That Super Bowl's on Dan Quinn. He's the head coach. So if you want him to run it, you tell him in the headset, run the ball.

If you want him to pass it, you can tell him to pass it. Kyle Shanians won a lot of playoff games. A lot of playoff games. If he hadn't, you wouldn't be able to glaze him. He was bad this year. But over the course of his career, like he's been to four conference championship games, because he rattled off a lot of wins to get there. So, listen, I can be critical of Kyle,

but he's won big games in the biggest moments. And if you do that, like, you get a little more leeway. Let's face it. This is from Axel. There's only two guys that can beat Andy and Mahomes. One of them works for Fox and is part owner of the Raiders and the other plays for an incompetent coach and organization. I think he means Brady and Joe Burrell.

The Bengals should have cleaned house this year. Even if they didn't get Vrable, who do you get? Good chance you land Pete Carroll and get a competent GM, and then you're consistently in the playoffs. We're being robbed of Burrough versus Mahomes. I don't think Mahomes and Allen are a rivalry when in the playoffs. Allen is 0 for 4. Allen is great.

Don't get me wrong. But Burrow and Mahomes is the rivalry. But Burrow is on one of the worst ran NFL teams in the league. I don't know. this, Buffalo and them have played in some great games. I mean, that was riveting TV. They have played in two of the better playoff games in recent memory.

Buffalo and Josh Allen has played them just in spectacular fashion. The only people that have played them well, the Bengals, beat them, the Bills, and then the Eagles and the 49ers in the Super Bowl. We saw

the Ravens, they crumbled like a cookie. The Texans tried. Their special teams were a joke. So I just think that I agree. I mean, part of a rivalry has to go back and forth. There has to be some ebb and flow to this. But I think they've played him pretty well, man.

I really do. I was impressed yesterday. I think Andy and Spags would tell you that. Like, that was a tough ass game. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't

invent it. We just contributed to it. people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast

for people could call in and say, hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy,

not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform?

We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast is. Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamous sect. We were God's chosen kingdom on earth.

He felt destined for greatness. So when a swaggering Armenian businessman catapults Jacob into an extraordinary world, he doesn't look back. Ferraris and Lamborghinis, private jets, meeting the president of Turkey. I'm Michelle McPhee, and this is one of the most shocking criminal conspiracies I've ever come across. When Jacob met Levant this plant to a billion dollar fraud. But with two kings from entirely different worlds, just how long can their empire survive? The largest tax investigation in American history. You need to tell me what you know.

Is somebody coming after me? Jacob told Levan, you're ruining my life. Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Native Arizonaan and Cardinals fan. Do you think Cliff Kingsbury's success with the commanders is an indictment of Kyler Murray? D. Hop and Hollywood Brown are now. about to go to the Super Bowl with the Chiefs, who were his top two wide receivers

during the Kingsbury era. I feel like Gannon is a good coach, but Kyler just can't seem to win enough. What are your thoughts on Kyler, and what do you think the Cardinals could get for him in trade? Well, I think we kind of saw it with Kyler this year. Amense talent, roller coaster player, and just, I mean, it's never going to be one of the top guys in the league.

And I think it's going to be difficult for him to be a top 10 quarterback. But he's so talented, at least in the prime of his career athletically, he's never going to be a bottom 10 guy. So he always kind of floats somewhere between like 11 to 20. And you watch on Given Weeks, like he can beat people with just incredible halves, right? He can make multiple plays, score touchdowns, make great throws, make plays with his legs. And then he can just incredibly dumb things. Hard to totally judge them this year. Their talent's not great.

but I think you kind of just establish what he is. A really talented player, not someone you can build around as a franchise quarterback. But you could do way worse, and you're kind of stuck with him, keep building up the team. I think you'd get a couple second round picks for him. I would not trade for him.

I mean, I would trade for him if he costs nothing, but I would have a hard time trading for him if they're like, we need your first round pick. It's a no for me, Doug. I appreciate this. My name is James. is my wife's Instagram, not really an Insta guy. I appreciate the perspective you share and wanted to underscore a recurring theme on the pod. I'm a leader at a management consulting firm

and manage various projects teams. One of my teams wasn't taking their work to the next level. They were phoning it in, a talented and intelligent group, but just weren't owning their craft. It was one of those situations where I thought there was a gap between what they deem as good, and what it takes to be good. I used one of your stories about Andy Reid to help illustrate my point about his intrinsic curiosity and genuine interest in football.

This was a very relatable and helpful. This was very relatable and helpful and underscores what you say. So what's intrinsically motivating to you? Appreciate the note. And I think most coaches are that way. I watched some of the Liam Cohen press conference today. one, he's a goofy looking bastard.

I mean, he really is. He's a different cat. Clearly, smart guy, had some success with Baker. But you talk about, and I've defended him, like someone's offering you $11, $12 million, and, you know, they expect you to stay loyal for a third of that. Like, welcome to the real world. And I'm a big Jason light guy.

And I don't know, I haven't asked him his take on this whole thing. But, like, I do get. leaving for the job, but just watching him. It's like, yeah, I can see where people think he kind of comes off as a BS artist. You got to be careful about press conferences. I'm not going to make any, like, grand proclamations on like he's going to suck, or he's not going to pull this off because the press conferences, you never know. But it was just a little weird.

I mean, it was just, I watched probably 10 minutes of it. There's some viral clips going as well. I just, red flagged. be strong, but let's just say that I'm probably on the fence. Like if it was an IPO for a stock, I don't know if I'd purchase. Again, funky-looking cat. My question is, do you think that Sequan could have been in the goat conversation if he had been with the Eagles his entire career since he was a rookie?

And why isn't Steve, the Chiefs, D.C., getting any coaching interviews? I know Mahomes and Reed are basically one of the best ever, but Steve has been doing a great job. Well, think about this. Who are the best ever running backs? Most people say Jim Brown. I just say, yeah, never saw him play. Obviously, one of the greatest players of all time. Walter Payton, I think universally agreed upon.

Barry Sanders, one of the greatest players. Emmett Smith, I think most people would say is probably not as good as those guys, but played behind one of the best offensive line and was one of the most productive, fantastic player. Adrian Peterson, Derek Henry, Ladanian Tomlinson.

Then they're the hybrid guys. You know, L.T. and Marshall Falk were these guys that get you like 70, 80, 90 catches. And then there was Adrian Peterson who was just like, I'm a running back. I always thought it was weird. Adrian Peterson was not good in pass protection.

It's like, motherfucker, you're huge. You should destroy linebackers, but this wasn't his cup of tea. Catching was not his cup of. you hand him that ball and just let him rip. And there's somewhat of an element to Derek Henry. Derek Henry feels like a much more likable guy than Adrian Peterson.

I guess I think I would rather, both in their prime, I'd take Derek Henry. It just feels like I'd rather be around Derek Henry. I would say, Sequin, you don't go too overall in the draft if you aren't just a complete freak show at running back. You know, people forget, like, Zique obviously has not been good for a while. He was unreal when he was young. And Zique, unlike Adrian Peterson, a leit and pass pro and could catch the ball, was a all-the-round back. Sequin's got solid hands, but he's not Macauchery or Marshall Falk or LT, but he is such a great running back. His, you know, that touchdown run in the NFC championship game, I don't think the 2DB is quite realized.

This guy is like a bowling ball and his contact balance. To do a 360 at full speed as you're getting hit and not even remotely come close to falling down, I think it's almost underrated how insane that is. We obviously talk a lot about that play where he jumped over the dude backwards. That play yesterday where he's just getting hit and kind of spinning around as he's getting hit and doesn't even break stride is a remarkable display of that. athleticism. But like Adrian Peterson and Derek Henry

high-end speed, if he gets in the open field, he's gone. So he's just the ultimate home run hitter, who is just a great between the tackles running back. So he could have been a Hall of Famer for sure. I wouldn't say it's too late. It's difficult when you

just waste the first, I mean, what year did he come in the league? It's just going to be hard and he's already got some tread on the tires because he's been hurt. Is this his fifth season or a sixth season? So 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23. Yeah, he's been in a league a while.

I don't know if he would have been the goat, but I think we would have talked about him like a Hall of Famer for sure. I don't even know who the goat running back is. He would be in the discussion, I think, of a guy that ran for potentially a couple 2,000-yard seasons, a ton of like 15, 1700-yard seasons.

kind of underrated in 22. He ran for 1,300 yards with the Giants. Honestly, his rookie season, he ran for 1,300 yards and 11 touchdowns. He's a stud, man. And just an all-around great guy. People love that guy. Love that guy. With Pete Carroll joined the Raiders,

it's clear the AFC West has the most impressive head coaches in the league. How do you rank the coaches in that division? And which team do you think can challenge the Chiefs? Well, it's Andy Reid 1, cemented. I would, I'd probably go, Jim Harbaugh 2A, Sean Payton, 2B, and P. Carroll 3. You know, Pete Carroll, the last couple years, in Seattle, defense was pretty shitty, and he's a defensive guru. It didn't go, he got fired for a reason. Now, relative to a lot of guys in the league, they would sell their left nut to have that happen to him.

but, you know, Pete, the way it ended, it wasn't offense. Gino and the offense, it was his defense was terrible. But relative to what the Raiders were taking over, a big upgrade. A big fan of the show. What's the deal with all-world players? I've been watching the NFL pretty consistently for quite a few years.

All of a sudden, it seems like the announcers and podcasters are using the word all-world to describe some players. How do they get this title? Why did we need another level from all pro? The U.S. is the only country that plays football at this level. So the world part seems kind of redundant. Thanks, and keep doing your thing. Shout out to the morning crew at ABC 27 in Harrisburg.

I know they're listening. Appreciate you, boys. I don't know. It's always been a pet peeve of me. Whoever wins a Super Bowl, like Patrick Mahomes, you give them the Lombardi. You give, you know, you make Chris Jones the Super Bowl. You get Andy Reid. We're the world champs.

And listen, how he said this before, world champs. No, you're the American, you're the NFL champs. America. A couple international players. Only one I can think of

that's any good is Milata. But this is not world champs. We're NFL champs. It's American sport. No matter how much we want to go to England, Germany, eat some brats, playing fucking Brazil, some druggies and hookers walking.

Like, let's be real. American, NFL, not world. I hate that. World champs. In baseball, if you want to say world champs, yeah, it's a world game. Basketball, kind of. I mean, it's a world game, but sports play here. But if those people want to say it, way more, there's way more, I guess, merit to that statement in the NBA and in Major League Baseball,

in hockey as well, been in football. It's like, Sequin Bartley went to Penn State. Grew up in Pennsylvania. Born in Brooklyn. Christian McCaffrey, born in Denver. Jaylen Hertz went to Bam in Oklahoma. Grew up in Texas. Lane Johnson, world champs.

Uh, love the show. That said, what the fuck happened with the officiating in today's championship games? Two huge game-changing calls. Holding by Eagles on the wide receiver Brown first down throw with little time left in the first half. The Josh Allen fourth down sneak, clearly a first down even after the replay. I get that the ball doesn't lie in most instances,

but these are huge momentum shifts in the game and calls that I can't help but think are rigged. I've been saying this forever. And listen, if it's your team or you have money on the game, I've experienced that pain and anguish and anger and disgust. but officiating or officials and referees in all these sports, specifically football, college and pro, are no different than government officials. It's the only place where you can be consistently incompetent

and keep your job. Players, coaches, podcasters, I'd go out of business. So you see these calls that you disagree with. I do believe that I know people were adamant at the above angle. I think the Josh Allen thing was kind of close. and once they don't call it on the field, I don't have a problem with them not overturning it. Eagle scored 55 points.

There is no call in the Eagles game that I'm going to let people argue about. The Bills, I get that a little bit. I would say this if I was a Bills fan. How do we keep running? And I get it because last week it was working against a great run defense in Baltimore. If you were consistently calling a play,

even as basic and simple. And I mean, I would say the quarterback sneak is one of the most basic plays in the history of football, right? The kneel down, the quarterback sneak, the spike. The difference is like the kneel down, the spike, like it's borderline impossible to screw up if you just get the center, quarterback exchange, correct, right? The quarterback sneak, you do need penetration. And depending on your guard and center and your quarterback, like, do you have enough strength to push their defensive line back? Who's playing defensive tackle for them?

It was not working. That play was not working. The only time it worked is when he jumped over the line of scrimmage and jumped over all their defensive linemen. Drew Breeze used to do that a lot. Drew Breeze used to do that on the goal line, so the moment you cross the line of scrimmage, right, the goal line, it's a touchdown.

So even if you score and they hit the ball out, six points go on the board. Well, in a play like that in the middle of the field, if they hit the ball out of your hands, it's a fumble, and he literally fumbled. But he had to do it because he wasn't getting any penetration, because he stands up so high. You know, you hear this a lot with coaches,

pad level, pad level, pad level. His pad level on that quarterback sneak is pretty high, and he's a tall guy. It's a terrible play. How do they not run some other plays? Look at the short yardage plays Andy Reid was running. He got Mahomes on the run. He ran some basic flat routes.

Look at what they do with Jaden Daniels. Shotgun, get him moving. Why? Because his athleticism is a separating attribute. Yet with Josh Allen, and listen, he's one of the stronger, more powerful quarterbacks ever, but the play was not working. And they just kept going back to the well. Like eventually, guys, there's no water in this well. We're going to have to go to another well.

And Joe Brady, I don't know if it was a lack of experience. I don't know if he didn't feel comfortable in any other plays. I don't know if it's Sean McDermott Forced him to call that play I don't know if it's Josh Allen Demanding it That was a disaster Unless there's a big drop catch in the Super Bowl

Which drop catch was bigger this playoffs Andrews Or McCabe Not Macade What's Dalton Dalton Kincaid Well they both ended the games

Right because neither team got the ball back That's a good question. I think Andrew's catch was easier. I think it's fair to say they were, obviously, Andrews was catchable. Concades was catchable as well. That's a good question. I would say you'd have to go to Buffalo because he catches that ball. I mean, who knows?

Maybe they score touchdown. I'm trying to go back. so it's Buffalo Two minutes left Fourth and five You're down three He catches that ball I'd go Buffalo

I'd go That's a 1A 1B situation You know in the pros Obviously some catches Are clearly much more difficult Than others In the old adage of like

You touch it you clutch it Obviously some balls That hit you in stride Are different than ones that you have to go up in high point in traffic. And that was one he had to lay out, go to his right. But still, I think he catches that, I don't know, minimum half the time. A former first round pick.

Question for the mailbag. Lifelong depressed bills fan. While we were outclassed when it mattered most, why doesn't the NFL have a chip in the ball? So many of these big games are determined by some 55-year-old 30 yards away from the ball, trying to place the ball from an angle they saw. surely the richest league in the world could put a chip in each tip of the ball and have more of a precise system. You could even test the technology on the goal line.

If the chip breaks the line, the refs get an automatic signal on their watch and it's a touchdown, similar to the goal line technology in soccer. Yeah, I mean, I can't. You know, Belichick always butted heads with these guys over this super, super expensive league that's making all this money and guys would be cheap about putting certain. cameras in certain places. So I think you always battle. This gets back to the McCaskies.

Some of these franchises that, you know, treat money like it's not going to come back. And that if we spend, I mean, think about how many teams in the NFL don't even buy the most expensive field turf. They buy a field turf that costs half a million dollars instead of the one that costs a million dollars. These are billion dollar franchises. They're spending $250 million. on the employees for that turf, right?

That's the players, and they go cheap. So I just think it's hard to convince some of these people to agree. It just is. And until stuff impacts you, like, obviously, if you're Buffalo, you're going to push for that. I would imagine the chiefs would be cool with pushing for that. I don't know, man. Because how could anyone tell in the pile? No one knows.

I mean the visual of the one official on the bottom inside of the line and the official on the top on the other side of the white line it's like neither of these guys have a fucking clue it's an educated guess I wouldn't get your hopes up for it though if you swap Mahomes and Alan so Mahomes is on the bills Alan is on the Chiefs what do you think their careers look like

does Alan have a couple more Super Bowls does Mahomes have any I would say Alan can be a little more reckless than Patrick. Patrick has really kind of come into his own. He played this season, even parts of last season, turned into a Tom Brady, Peyton Manning.

Like, okay, today I'm going to manage the game. And Josh is less likely to do that. He's got a little more far-y-in to him, which, listen, Andy likes, and Patrick used to have a lot of that to him. He's just kind of changed as he's gotten older. I mean, Josh still plays a lot. He's a more accurate passer now.

But his style is kind of his style. I think if Patrick had started with the bills, I don't know. It's impossible to play that game. I do think Josh Allen would have a Super Bowl if he was with Andy Reid. Maybe two. Would they be five and six years and three straight? I don't know about that. Hard to tell what Mahomes would have been like without Andy.

One, he got to sit for a year. Think about that. He got to sit for a year. The other thing with the with the bills is like their head coach is a defensive guy. Like Andy and Mahomes kind of hand in hand, you know?

They work pretty closely together. Sean McDermott is the head coach. He's not the offensive coordinator of the play caller. We'll end on that one. Appreciate everyone firing in those DMs and look forward to a big, big week of talking some ball. The volume.

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