The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Russ goes to the Giants, What's going on with Scottie, JT has changed

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

John opens the podcast reacting to the breaking news that Russell Wilson has signed with the New York Giants. John talks about what Wilson signing with the Giants actually means for the organization with the draft a month away. Later, John dives into golf with this edition of Go Low. John discusses the issues surrounding Scottie Scheffler's game and if last season for Scottie is something that he will be able to replicate or was he a one year wonder. Next, he talks about how impressive Ludvig Aberg's game is, and finally, how disappointing Collin Morikawa has been acting towards the media because he hasn't been playing great. 5:11 - Giants sign Russell Wilson 19:57 - Go Low/What's going on with Scottie 25:24 - Ludvig is a stud 49:10 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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If he was to get traded, he listed like four teams. And if memory serves me correct, the Giants were one of those teams. So he finally gets his wish of being the starting quarterback for the New York Giants. Over the last five or six days, they've signed James Winston, $8 million contract for two years, $4 million a year. I looked at the details, not out. I don't know how much they guaranteed of that contract. we do know that they have guaranteed

Russell Wilson, $10.5 million. So let's just say $4 or $5 million. They're in this season guaranteed money at around $15 million for these two players. And listen, the headline, because he's a really famous player, and at one point in time in his career, he looked like a lock to go to the Hall of Fame.

That will be highly debated. I think in the peak of his career, he definitely was, but that feels like a long time ago. I mean, the version of the guy we have seen last year crumbled as the weather changed. Obviously, Denver, they couldn't have got him out of there fast enough. His career has taken a turn for the worst. We're now he's in a position where a team is desperate as the Giants, give him a bridge quarterback contract.

Pretty crazy how this is all played out. Now, as we sit here today, March 25th, I think it's fair to assume that Russell Wilson will be the starting quarterback for the New York Giants week one. Now who his backup will be yet to be determined. I don't think this move

changes anything for the draft. I do think when you don't control, I still think Shador Sanders is going to be drafted number three overall by the New York Giants. But something crazy could happen, someone could trade above them, they don't control their own destiny.

So as you sit here right now and you have the opportunity to sign a guy that you know can be your starter and you know you can function with if you have to because let's face it. While James has, I would say, improved over the course of his career is still a guy that once upon a time through 30 interceptions. Let me repeat that. 30 interceptions, not in a career in a season. So when your job's on the line like it is for Brian Dayball and Joe Shane and your quarterback situation is playing out like it is now, you got to cut Daniel Jones, Aaron Rogers, essentially tells you no.

You're not drafting number one overall to pick Cam Ward. Not that he would be your savior either as a rookie, but you're in a really, really tough situation. Here's the other problem. You play in a division with the defending Super Bowl champs who have a loaded team, with the Washington commanders who have what sure looks like a superstar quarterback and a team

that might not win as many games as last year, but it's going to be better on paper and should be a playoff team. And let's face it, The Cowboys, when healthy, are just better than the Giants. So now we'll see. Brian Schadenheimer, new coach, there's some transition there. I think the Giants are just in a tough spot.

And this is just a desperate move. But I hear some people that believe the Giants have a better roster than the casual guy thinks. I don't know about that. I really don't. I just think that Russell Wilson is not fixing much. And I think the same thing with the Pittsburgh Steelers is with Aaron Rogers. Like, is Aaron Rodgers?

Rogers an upgrade over their quarterback situation of Russell Wilson and the Rudolph and that crew of guys, Kenny Pickett's the last couple of years? Maybe a little, but I don't think he changes the outlook of your team winning nine or ten games. Like that would be the same thing. And when I look at the Giants, I go, yeah, maybe you win a game or two more and you're not drafting third overall or six overall, but okay, you're drafting 11th overall. You're not going to be very good with this player.

And I feel for Shane and Dayball, sometimes the cookie crumbles from a quarterback standpoint, and you're in the situation where you don't have any options. And when Russell Wilson is your best option in 2025, let's face it, let's not beat around the bush. You're fucked. I mean, you really are. The Pittsburgh Steelers, who have a way better team and a much more established head coach, we saw what happened last year.

They started getting their ass kick down the stretch. And they got worked in the playoffs and they were won and done. But Steelers always win nine or ten games. And they go to the playoffs every year. Now they're the seven seed or the six seed, but they're always there. Like the Giants over the last ten years have been really, really bad. And I just don't think much changes here.

Now, one of Russell's attributes that still works really well is the deep ball. And they do have Malik neighbors, who is a special talent. But when I look at this team doing this, like you're going into this draft with Russell Wilson and James Winston. Like, welcome to the quarterback room, Shadur. But I still expect if he's on the board, the New York Giants to draft Shadur Sanders with the number three overall pick.

Now, maybe the coaching staff who is desperate to win to save their job thinks, hey, why don't we take if Shadur doesn't go to and it goes Cam Ward, Abdul Carter. Why don't we take Travis Hunter at pick three? And then all of a sudden have Malik neighbors and Travis Hunter to go with Russell Wilson. Maybe the coach pushes for that. I wouldn't blame him if he did.

Because clearly, it's not like Shadour is going to beat out Russell in training camp. So you might as well try to build up your team as well as possible and hope your defense can be better because in theory they should have a solid defense. But I've always thought Kavon's a little overrated. you know, Brian Burns is solid, but I don't exactly think their pass rushes like Miles Garrett meets T.J. Watt here. So I don't know, man.

I think the headline, and this is going to be a major talking point, Russell Wilson, Russell Wilson, he is much more famous than he is a good player now. And while it looked really good early when Tomlin went to the bullpen for him, I'll never unseed at December. As the weather got cold, as they started playing better teams, and they had no shot.

And I mean, they had no shot. And I just think he's very average at best football player. And when you play in this division, you know, they're not playing in warm weather. So New York obviously gets really cold, Philly gets really cold, Washington gets really cold. Like this is a cold weather division. And we just had a front row seat

for what happened when the weather changed with Russell. He looked dramatic. He fell off a cliff. for even a guy that had just looked okay, nowhere near what he once was. So I just think that this is what happens when you get a coach and a GM holding on for dear life. Because that's what they're doing. And I don't blame them. You're the head coach and the general manager of the New York Giants.

Pretty good gig if it works out. Last I checked made some pretty legendary individuals holding those positions when they won. but this team is not going to win. And I don't think signing James Winston and clearly signing Russell Wilson changes much of anything. I'm not trying to hate on the Giants or being negative Nelly here,

but I think we have to acknowledge what we have seen. And what we have seen is, one, this team is that talented. And two, Russell Wilson is no longer really that good. And if, let's just give the hypothetical that Shadour, because I guess Shadour is a hypothetical, to go there as well. Let's say he doesn't go there. If you told me

what month do people start going, should we go to James? I'd say late October, early November. That would be a conversation. And if you tell me Shador's on the team, when do fans start going? Let's go to Shador Sanders. I would say the exact same time. So you can see

what's coming from a mile away. Though, I understand why they made this move. If I was in their shoes, probably would make this move too. I'm desperate. I have no other options. What else am I supposed to do? I can't just go, well, even if we feel like 100% confident that Chador is going to be there three and we plan on drafting them, well, like, if Chador can't beat out James and training camp, and James is my starting quarterback going into the season with, you know,

and I'm desperately trying to like compete for the seven seed in a conference that while it doesn't have Mahomes and Burrow and Lamar, it's still got like, I don't know, Jalen Hertz, Jaden Daniels, Jared Gough, I mean, Matt Stafford. Jordan Love's been a playoff quarterback two years in a row. Brock Purdy's won some playoff games. It's like, James?

Baker Mayfield, like, it ain't going to work. This ain't going to work, dog. Dak Prescott, we're at a huge advantage in all of our divisional games, if that's the case. So, like I said, big headline.

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Sheffler to win this week. And it's not because I'm confident in the guy. And I think if he cannot get it done, we have to go, something is seriously off relative to the guy that we saw last week. And last year at this tournament, heading into the Masters, Scottie Sheffler finished second. and he missed under a 10-foot putt on 18 to force a playoff. He was playing at an extremely high level. He had won at Arnold Palmer. He had won the players. He had just been a major factor.

It was clear like this guy is playing at just a complete elite level and he deserves to be talked about like the best player in the world. And he started being treated like that like Tiger in his heyday from a gambling standpoint. In a golf tournament, you are playing so well if you are 10 to 1 favorite against 150 people. Rory right now, having won twice this year, hovers between 7 to 9 to 1, which is insane. It is hard to pull the trigger when you are getting those odds. Hell, Rory to win the Masters, something he's never accomplished, is currently 6.5 to 1. Scotty Sheffler hovers between 3 and 3.5 to 1, which I had no point.

problem with last year and there were times where it's like yeah this is nuts but it's actually the right thing to do and then there's right now like to me he should fall back and if he can't win this weekend or at least be a major factor i think it's time to like just we got to acknowledge that whatever happened with that wine glass and the ravioli has really thrown him off i mean when you watched him at the players from uh just a personality standpoint listen it's golf i I lost $100 last Saturday and I threw a hat on 12

and started screaming F-bombs. I just, I lost it. It happens to do us all. It is a frustrating sport. Hell, Gordon Sargent, who looked like the number one prospect in all of college golf, who looked like a lock,

like the next Ludwig, the next Victor Hovlin, the next Colin Morikawa, I just, someone forwarded to me last week. He got benched on his college team. He hadn't finished within the top 50 of any event, so far in 2025

and I guess they qualify every single week at Vanderbilt and their last tournament he did not represent the team. They didn't even bring them which shows you in golf it can come and go really fast. Now usually when you're at the peak of your game it takes something weird to happen

I mean I saw Brandl Shambly said yesterday to Dan Rappapaport that he thought Tiger Woods changing his swing in the 04 5 range when he was at the peak of his powers, kicking the living, you know what, out of everybody is the most

insane thing that's ever happened in sports. And at first one I thought when he said that, I was like, is that kind of a Stephen A curveball here from Brando? And they start thinking about it, it's pretty insane. It's like, you are annihilating everybody. You are winning majors at a historic clip. It's like, yeah, just change your swing. But that's part

of golf. And we'll dive into Victor Hovlin. Unlike all these other sports, you have a ton of time to think. Hell, even when you are playing, the walk between each shot is a lot of time in your head. It's not like us driving golf carts where you got 30 seconds, I mean, depending on how far you hit it, between each shot in golf, like you're taking slow walks, you're playing with other people, so it's like you have a lot of time to think. And as Brandl mentioned as well, like the worst place and the stuff that ruins players happens more often than not, not on the course, not

in the wait room, not at home with their family, on the driving range. And there was a clip at the players of Scotty Sheffler working with his coach, like getting really frustrated. I don't blame him. Because last year, he had to feel like indestructible. And this year, it's not like he's even playing that bad. He's played in five events. He's made all five cuts. His worst finish of the five events is the waste management where he finished 25th. Now, he was the two-time defending champion, or I guess Nick Taylor had won it last year. He had won it. multiple times, but he shot 72 on Sunday. So if Scottie had just shot a couple shots better, he probably finished like 15th or 12th, T9, T3, T11, T20, it's not like he's bad. And again,

he's being held now to the standard of like last year was a Tiger Woods like season. Is that who you are? And the thing that made Tiger such a great player is he maintained it for such a long period of time. We have seen a lot of players. Jason Day, Jordan Speath. I mean, certain guys have, like, incredible 18-month stretches. It's very rare that you just see a guy dominate. And this sport, and this is what makes golf so great, it's an individual sport.

And ideally, you get a guy that's everyone's chasing. Tiger was like that for the majority of, you know, my youth. Before I was born, you know, Jack Nicholas, Arnold Palmer. When I was really young before Tiger came on the scene, Greg Norman and Nick Faldo were right there. You know, Rory's had his moments. but not winning a major in over a decade takes it away a little bit. Kepka in the majors was unreal, but he didn't do much outside of those.

You know, DJ was winning a tournament or two a year, but it wasn't like it felt like he was Tiger or Phil. Phil had a little stretch in the late 2000s, but it's like the sport is better off when it's like, this guy is the clear-cut dominant person. I think sports is in general. Like, it is so much better when you like, everyone's chasing Shaq and Kobe in the Lakers.

everyone is chasing the late 90s Yankees. Everyone's chasing the New England Patriots for 20 years. I'm sorry, we've all seen that sports benefit from parody is very, very overrated. I mean, you're hearing this a lot with the NCAA tournaments. Like, are Cinderella's dead? Have they really ever been that alive? We have had individual moments, but for the most part, the best programs consistently dominate. Now with NIL, it's not going to be a fair fight.

It was never really a fair fight. There were just some upsets here and there. Now those days are probably, I don't want to say long gone. It's still basketball. It's still a one-game situation. But given the power of individual players in that sport and given the top programs are going to have all the money, yeah, it's going to, and the moment you get a good player at a smaller school,

they can steal them from you, it's going to be difficult. but I think the one thing you see with golf, and listen, I'm going through it in my own game right now. I'm like, I'm struggling to break 85. A couple years ago, I was like a three handicapped. And it's like, I don't know what to do. And listen, I can't even imagine being a pro, having all these people look at you,

having all these people talk about you. Scotty and these press conferences getting edgy. He's, you know, got a new kid. He's probably not sleeping like he used to when he was younger. There's a lot going on in his life. And obviously the injury kind of derailed some of the momentum. But like, I'm sorry, like, For a guy that you're just chalking in, like he's going to win the Masters, he's going to win the Masters, which it felt like the last couple years.

Like it's hard to bet against Scotty, even though his odds are really shitty. Like to me, if he just comes in like T-11 in this tournament, which again, his floor at this event, I would say would be like 15th. But like last year he probably should have won because he makes the putt on 18, forces extra holes, like who's betting against Scotty Sheffler in a playoff against Stephen Yeager? which I've heard Stephen Yeager on a podcast he's actually a pretty likable guy but like I'm just sorry you're not winning that event right I mean we saw J.J. Spawn they had a night to think Rory J.J. Spawn

like not a fair fight and I think I'm just fascinated to watch it I like watching greatness and last year it felt like Scotty was just so much better than everybody else I'll never forget like a moron I was and I kind of plan on doing it again I you got to be crazy

unless you're just like super rich to put large individual bets on people to win PGA and majors. Like I mean, for the most part, I rarely get above like a hundred bucks betting an outright. Because the odds of you picking the winner is slim the nut. It's extremely hard. I've done it a couple times, I would say over the last like three years, but I'm also betting literally every week. And it's very, very difficult to do. but I was like kind of cocky's the wrong word,

but I was weirdly confident last year in Rory McElroy going in to Augusta, I put $1,000 on him, which is by far the biggest individual bet I've ever placed on someone to win the golf term. I've done large bets on top 20s and top tens, but you got way more leeway there. And I remember after, I think it was round one, it might have been two. No, it was one, because the wind was up. and it was like, Rory and Scottie are playing a different game.

And I don't feel like that right now. And I think part of that is, you know, clearly over, I feel like the off season, which is kind of weird in golf, but it's a couple months. But Rory doesn't play that much in the fall relative to some, you know, of the lower tier players. It feels like he's much better with a sandwich in his hand. Still not great. I'm not comparing him to like Tiger or Phil here. But like if you gave Rory like Tiger or Phil's short game,

he would have 50 plus wins right now, right? Because actually now he's a pretty good putter, but his short game, and really he's just his wedge game from like 90 yards, for an all-time great player, you don't have that much confidence in him. Yet like Scotty or Zander, when they're playing well, you have a lot of confidence in them with that club in their hand. Like most human beings, if I gave you a 90-yard shot, even if you're a single-digit handicap, it's going to be very hit or miss. Depending on the flag position, depending on the green, like, but you give Scotty Sheffler when he's playing well a short club in his hand, like it's going to be relatively tight. And I don't know, we've got to see. I don't know

if Scottie's losing his mojo, a little bit putting. Definitely can relate to that as well. But I think that the tour, you know, I think they need two guys. They either need Scottie to get it back or they need Royer to keep kicking ass because I respect Xander and he's an awesome player. Obviously, he got hurt as well with the rib injury, but like he can't care. the sport. And the reality is for as great as Bryson is, and he is one of the rare needle movers, he only shows up four times a year. So Rory's playing this week. I really don't think this week really matters to him at all. Like if you told me he was just working on one specific thing that he wanted to carry over to Augusta, didn't even care about making the cut. I'm not saying

he's going to do that. I'd be like, yeah, it doesn't matter. I mean, he's already won twice, and he looks fantastic. So I think it's a big week for Scotty. I'm actually betting on him to win. Because if Scottie's going to kind of get back to where he's been, I think he wins this week. And a couple other guys, you know, I like Jason Day this week. I mean, I like Jason Day most weeks to top 20. Davis Riley is a guy that when he first came out on tour from Alabama, I used to gamble on, and then he kind of fell off a cliff. Well, he finished 7th at Puerto Rico like a month ago.

He finished, I think, top 10 last week. He made the cut at the players. He just got a little momentum. and sometimes I just like writing guys when they're hot and you get them like 3 to 1 to top 20. So this field's a little weird because you get a lot of guys that just wait until the masters to play,

which is fine depending on who you are. But I don't think, you know, I know Scotty, this is a Texas event, means something to them. But I think on the course, playing well means a lot to them. Okay, last week, Valspar. You know, one of the things with the PGA tour

that live is just, I was in the car today and I was flipping around radio stations and Webb Simpson was who's part of like the player pack was calling in and doing an interview with PJ Tour radio. And clearly one thing that they are budding heads with, I think why this negotiation is taking longer, is because the Saudis and live, and I don't know if it's Yasser, I don't know if it's, the players on live pushing back, whatever's going down is like they're adamant of having like a legit team element to when this merge happens. And at the end of the day,

golf is an individual sport, just like tennis. It doesn't mean we can't have a couple team events, which golf does. It's called the Ryder Cup and the President's Cup. But I don't think the consumer gives a shit about team golf throughout the season. it does not matter. So the problem is, is the financial situation and I don't want to say desperation, but the tour

needs some of those guys back that, you know, it's not like you can just tell them to kick rock so you have to negotiate with them. But, you know, watching Hovland and watching Justin Thomas, who essentially turned into kind of like a duel down the back nine last week in Florida. and part of what the tour brings the table when you get bigger names is there is such a built-up stardom with these human beings. When you turn on the Lakers playing the Warriors, you just get Steph Curry, Draymond Green,

LeBron James, Luca, Jimmy Butler. Like you have so much history with these players. You have watched the ebb and flow of their careers. Right, with the Yankees this year. If they make another push, try to win a World Series. You have been following Aaron Judge's career now for a long period of time, the good and the bad. And part of these two guys, and this is the nature of golf for basically every player in the history of the sport, is you're going to go through the mud.

You're going to have really, really shitty times. Even when you're a player like Justin Thomas, who probably for his generation, his age group, is easily one of the most accomplished players of his generation, and probably one of the better Americans, right? One 15 times on tour, won a couple majors is probably, if not the best, top two or three, Ryder Cup player of all time.

You know, is now kind of synonymous with Tiger Woods, their best friends, obviously his relationship with Jordan Spee. He's just a very, very important part of American golf. And Victor Hovland, who several years ago, you know, if golf was football, he would have been viewed as like an Abdul Carter, a Jamar Chase, you know, a Miles Garrett. Like he was a blue chip number one overall pick. And then he got to the PGA tour and within like a year,

you're like, holy shit. If this guy can figure out how to chip, watch out. And then guess what? He figured out how to chip. And in 2003, a couple years after he turned pro, he had three wins and nine top tens and won $30 million. At the end of 2023, I would say most people that fall golf pretty closely would have made the argument. This guy right now, not by the rankings, but just right now, is the best player in the world. And then a year later, it's like he's in the wilderness, he's changed his swing, he's a tinkerer, and he just looked like a shell of himself. He was missing cuts. He only had two top tens in 2024.

And then this season got even worse. I mean, two weeks ago at the players, he shot 80, which for most of us, you feel pretty good, leaving the course shooting 80. For a pro golfer, like, that number is a pretty eye-opening experience. But hell, the week before it, the Arnold Palmer shot 77. And he was giving quotes like, I suck. I don't know where the ball is going. My shots are disgusting. These were quotes last week at the ballast bar when he won.

So it's very relatable. Now, when you're at the highest level like a guy like this, once you can kind of figure out where your miss is, like you can kind of, I don't even want to say fake it, but you can figure it out. And then if you watched him on Sunday coming down the stretch, he looked like the 2020 version, especially with his irons from the middle of the fairway.

It's like this guy is pin hunting. But like one thing that was cool about those two guys decking it out was like, these are two of the better players when they're playing well, in the world, but we have history with them now of really struggling, and it makes them very relatable. It's why, like, Victor Hovlin, who came out in Colin Moracawa's class, you look at Colin's quotes from a couple weeks ago, I don't owe anyone anything. And then you got Victor Hovlin, who probably felt a couple weeks ago, like, I'm at the lowest point of my career. I bet he hadn't felt that way in his golfing career, potentially ever.

like high school, college, the pros. I would imagine he has never, in anything that has mattered, ever played this shitty and never felt that lost. And yet he is giving these eloquent answers, these eloquent press conferences of just like wearing it. And it's like, God, that makes him more relatable. Justin Thomas had a two-shot lead on the back nine. This is a guy that's won. I mean, he's five wins away from having 20 plus wins on tour.

and when he blew the lead and Victor Hovlin, now did he blow it, did Victor Hobley take it, kind of a combination of them both, Justin Thomas gave multiple press conferences. He talked, I think, to Smiley before he even signed his card, and then he just gave a normal press conference after. And it actually, and listen, he's older and Morikawa, it like made him, and Justin's a guy,

I think that some people, he's turned off over the years. To me, it made him more likable. more relatable and just kind of more real. Like, yeah, I'm a guy. I've made a lot of money playing golf. You know, no one feels sorry for any of us. It's viewed as, you know, this soft activity that, you know, people get labeled as country club guys.

And I have felt like one of the leaders in that clubhouse. Yet, like, I can wear this and take this on the chin and be and not act like a sore loser and storm off. And be a good partner for people I'm in business with, aka NBC. So I give a lot of credit to JT because even before he probably should have won that tournament, he's playing well.

I mean, that's his third top 10 this year. Like, I think you could bet the farm on Justin Thomas winning a golf tournament this year. I feel pretty confident. But I also watch a guy that feels a lot more mature. I saw this clip go viral of Baker Mayfield. And when you watch Baker Mayfield talk now, I don't think he's quite 30 yet, late 20s.

He just comes off and sounds like a different human being than the guy five or six years ago when he first got to Cleveland. That's part of you get married, you have kids, you kind of grow, you mature. And that's kind of what I feel like Justin Thomas has become. We know like these guys, and I'd say the same thing about Victor Hovland, is they are not going to not figure it out. I think it would be stunning if a guy like that in kind of this era, just disappears forever. I think it used to happen more, but with technology,

with the resources they have, they're just going to figure it out. Now, one thing that Hovlin says that I do think a lot of people push back, like, why are you tinkering? Why are you changing your swing? You're in your mid to late 20s.

You're in the peak of your powers. You just won $30 million on the PGA tour. You won the FedEx Cup. You won multiple times on the PGA tour. Why would you mess with anything? And I do, and I've noticed this in myself is like as you age,

maybe you lift a little bit differently and muscles change. I do think your natural swing path and your flexibility can change. Jordan Speath has been talking about this for years. There are ways that he swung in the peak of his powers in like 14, 15, 16 era that he's like, I can't make that swing.

My body does not allow me to do it. So I have to figure out a way to still try to play like that but with a different swing. and it can be very frustrating. And I don't think I hear many people that cover golf ever discuss that element. Like bodies dramatically change. Now, overnight, like, does Victor Hovlin have to do it overnight?

I think we can question that. You know, did Justin Thomas do something similar when he was playing pretty well a couple years ago and then not like his swing? Very possible. Because the other thing that's different now than probably even 20 years ago, let alone in the 70s, 80s, 90s, is the power of video, the phones, the being able to text stuff to coaches,

the being able to overstudy, clearly the numbers. I mean, you can overthink. I mean, what I do, the analytics of what works, what doesn't, you know, what I should never do again, what you should stay away from.

Sometimes, like, you just had a bad show. It just wasn't an interesting topic. It doesn't mean to never talk about that again. You just took a bad angle. And I think with the amount of metrics, tricks that I have access to, that most people listening have access to in whatever profession you're in, you can over quantify anything in your head. And it's easy, especially if you kind of like numbers, it's easy to throw yourself off by diving too deep into them. There has to be some

sort, I don't care what you do, of a gut feel of like, yeah, this might not be the right thing to do now. And, you know, Victor Hovlin talked in depth about that after he won because they asked him if he was a perfectionist. And he said, isn't part of being a pro athlete doing everything humanly possible to get better. And I think he's not wrong with that statement. But when you win the FedEx Cup and you win three times on the PGA tour, like, you're about as good as it gets.

So can you just maintain that for a while? Because if you just maintain that level of play, it doesn't mean you're going to win at the same clip, but you are going to be in the mix more often than not when you're as good as you are. and that's the difference in between like you know in football like the lions

aren't going to do a deep dive and change a lot of things but the 49ers because they went 6 and 11 like not only look in the mirror but it feels like they're throwing a nuclear bomb on everything if the 49ers instead of going 6 and 11

had gone 11 and 6 and lost to the Eagles in the NFC championship game they're probably not doing as big of a knee-jerk reaction so like the Warriors part of the reason and they trade it for Jimmy Butler, because they had a couple years

of realizing like, this is not working. So we got to make a change. You who's not really making changes? The Boston Celtics. Why? Don't really need to. Right?

So when you're doing things well, you can ride it out for a while. Now, when there's a light at the end of the tunnel of like, we are going to be able to stream everything. These DVDs are going to be irrelevant pretty soon. Yeah, maybe there's a time to slowly start to pivot. But like,

I do think, golfers probably tend it has a lot of parallels to kicking, look at guys that can fall off a cliff. Baseball, a lot of time to think. In basketball, you just play. Take more shots. Just run. Get to the hoop.

You know, in football, it's like, just make a play full speed. Just hit someone hard. Just do something full speed and good things will happen. And golf you just spend so much time thinking. And I think it gets in the way of some of these great players because I don't think it's just random

that Justin Thomas and Victor Hovlin played bad golf for a longer period of time after they had just dominated. I think you're getting your own head. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name?

Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. A pretty wide range of podcasts.

starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names

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And get your questions answered here on the show This is from Bobby Question for the Mailbag If you could pick one player Who's never won a major before To win a major this year Who would it be? Which major and why?

For me, it'd be Tony Fienow to win the Masters As it feels like a major victory, it would take him from a solid PGA pro to a household name. And for the fact that he's such an incredible ambassador to the sport, he's great off the T, which is Paramount out of Augusta, and has been in the mix of the Masters in the past, i.e., 2019 against Tiger. Curious to hear your thoughts. Well, I do, I'm biased on this one.

I do have $500 after I had a big win on Tony Fienau. Month ago, I spread some of it out on Ludwig Aedberg to win the Masters at like, 16 to 1, so it would win me like $8,500. So, and that's the only bet I have on the Masters. I think I'm going to place another one on Rory. So it would be Ludwig. But if it was a non-Ludvig player, that's a pretty good question.

Like, I don't have, like, I root for the guys that already have majors. There's probably not a guy on the PGA tour right now that does not have a major that I'm, like, in the bag for. Like, if Patrick Cantlay never wins a major, I'd have no issue with it. I don't hate your Tony Fienow. If Tony Fienow were to win a major, I think that would be really cool. I would imagine that Tony is,

I know he's played well at the Masters before, but it does feel like he'd be more likely to win, I don't know, the PGA Championship. He actually played well last year at Pinehurst. If I was a betting man right now, I doubt Tony Fienow ever wins the Masters. Now, over under, like how many majors is Tony ultimately, going to win. I think the over under right now

would be like 0.5. Probably feels like a one major guy, like Adam Scott, Sergio Garcia, and he'd have an incredible career if he wins the major. But yeah, I don't know if I have a guy like I think there are guys with huge droughts.

Like Spieth, when's the last time he won, I'm like 16 or 17. I think Jordan Speath winning a major would be just legendary. I think if Rory could win the Masters, it would be great for golf. I think Bryson, I think if Bryson could win the Masters, I mean, how incredible would that be?

So I, you know, I like Tommy Fleetwood, but like if he doesn't win a major, I don't really care. Most of the guys I feel like I root for are already major champions. And it would have to be someone specific that I'm gambling on, because there aren't Ludwig. I just like watching Ludwig play.

I saw Zander say in an interview that like, One thing that taught him at playing the TGL, he's like, I was trying to play like draws and cuts into the screen. And I was playing Ludwig, and I just watched Ludwig just aim and fire. And then I realized Ludwig just basically plays golf like he's playing in a simulator when he's playing just regular golf. So he's like, I just copied him and just aimed at the pin and tried to hit straight balls. So, I, again, he hasn't played well lately. He fell apart of the players, but I do think it'd be cool if Ludwig won a major this year.

Myrtle Beach, extremely overrated. I live in Charleston and work two days a week in Myrtle Beach. There is good golf, but it's not worth flying all the way from Arizona. Charleston has fewer options, but you have a much better weekend in Charleston versus Myrtle Beach. I know this. No one, and I mean no one. like Southern Charm as much.

Maybe there are people or more. Maybe there are people as much, but not more than Maria. She desperately wants to go to Charleston. So we might have to do that this summer and maybe I'll play a little golf and hang out there. Hi John. Hope all is well with the new marriage. Looking to hit the ball farther,

I weigh about 155 pounds and hit the ball 250 to 260 on a good floor today. My friends say I can hit the ball farther if I change to a new driver. since mine is 15 years old. It's my best club, because I hit fairways. Working out is also the other option. So this begs the question.

How many yards do you think someone like me could gain with a workout regimen? I'm a flexible dude, but not very muscular. Also, do new drivers actually make us civilians hit it farther and straighter? Like the one Rory uses. Would love to hit it 280 consistently. I mean, Rory and Tiger are pretty, like, strong.

But, I mean, what's Justin Thomas way? 165 pounds. Hitting the ball far is not necessarily about, like, how much you can curl and bench. It is way more about your swing path slash speed. I do think the way, if you have a 15-year-old driver, I mean, that is really old, and you are hitting the ball 260 yards. If you got newer technology, you don't need to get a brand new one, just go to the PJ Superstore. and by a couple-year-old,

head of, you know, Callaway, Taylor-May, titleist, whatever, hit him into the thing, see what you like, and just, you could take the shaft and you have right now, basically the same shafted grip, take the head off and put the new head on the, on the club.

Like, that's what I would recommend doing. You could add probably 15 yards. The technology over the last 15 years, I would say over the last 10 years, has changed dramatically. So I don't even think if you're hitting the ball 260 years old with a relic of a club face or club head, I would just go see if you can find a deal at some golf store and just take the head and continue to use your shaft. The gym is not as important.

Flexibility matters, but I think it's much more swing speed than, you know, hitting the, machines at the local gym in terms of golf. Question for the bag. If you had to build the perfect player in terms of driving, irons, wedges, putting, and overall mentality, who are you picking for each category? Can't pick the same player twice. By the way, I'm a watch dealer out here in Philly. No, you said you're not a watch guy, but if you ever in the market,

well, it's funny is I got my first nice watch a couple years ago. And when you first get it, you're like, God, I'm going to get a bunch. and then I realize I just wear it not that often. Now, some people, you know, I'm a podcaster. So if I went into meetings and like even the meetings I have, like a big business meeting is over Zoom. So like it's not like I'm putting on a coat and a watch. Hell, I don't even put on my wedding ring.

So I, the nice one, I wear a rubber one. Actually not one on my hand right now because I forgot it in the bathroom. but I appreciate a good-looking watch. I just, given my profession, I just don't wear them that often. And once I have one, like, do I need another one? If I went into an office more often, I think I would be more into them.

And I understand people that are in offices, meetings that they matter. Or, you know, I don't want to say they matter because I don't think they do. Like, if you don't have one, it doesn't matter. but I understand why people wear them on a daily basis when they're interacting with other people. Perfect player.

Driving would be 100% Rory. If you pick Ludwig, I don't think that would be crazy either. I would go Rory, irons. Last year you'd go Scotty. This year you'd probably go Morikawa. Wedges. I think you could go this. You go driving,

Rory Irons Morikawa Wedges I mean last year Scotty around the green was incredible now Phil

in 2025 I think historically you'd feel pretty good about Phil putting again are we doing historically like can I do

like Steve Stricker or Brad Faxon or do I got to do like Russell Henley or you know Danny McCarthy because he's If you're going historically, you'd go

Rory, Tiger, short game, I don't know who would consider to have the best short game ever, like Ben Crenshaw, like Tom Kite, putting, who's the greatest putter of all time? I just think Brad Faxon.

Overall mentality, but if you're doing current players, you go Rory, Morikawa, Scotty with the wedges, putting, you'd just take whoever, like Danny McCarthy, overall mentality, of guys currently playing.

I think Justin Thomas is just Tiger's not really close with him for no reason. I mean, JT is a fucking killer. Now, his driver let him down in that tournament, which, you know, it's kind of his downfall sometimes. Pudding feels like he's better on the greens now, but like he's aiming for the big cut on 18, and he just pumps it left.

It happens, but it does feel like with this modern technology and how hard he's, swings. You know, sometimes he just pumps it into the trees. I mean, a couple years ago, I remember when he was trying to make it to the next level of the playoffs, he hit one of the most incredible shots

ever to give him a chance to chip it in. I forget, were they playing like Hartford? But the reason he had to hit one of the best shots ever, because he was behind a tree. He's got a little tiger in him, too. He can be squirrely off the tee. But I do think his mentality

and his mindset is as good as it gets on the tour when he's playing right. What's in the bag currently? I was thinking, I've been asked this question a bunch. I think I'll do a video for Instagram in the next week or two and post up what's in the bag.

It's actually not that cool. I was thinking my wedges, sometimes when you see like a pro on Instagram, they're like, how often you change your wedges? And the guy's like, every other week, keep the grooves clean. We're like, at minimum once a quarter,

I think I've had the same sand wedge and gap wedge, 50 degree, like tidaless wedges, easily five or six years, maybe even long, maybe even like seven years. My 58 degree, I think I had lost my 60 degree one day playing.

This is when I lived in the Bay Area. So I just went into like the local golf shop to just try to buy like a lob wedge. And I found this 58 degree I kind of liked. That was probably four or five years ago. It's probably, one of my favorite clubs in the bag. Then I just have like 790 tailor-made irons,

which I probably had for five or six years, four or five years. Did I remember Instagramming a guy? It was a tailor-made rep on Instagram, and he gave me a code for like 40, 50% off. So I remember getting the set for like $1,500, and it cost me like $700. And then I just took it to like a club champion

and they kind of bent them and, cut them down for me. My woods, I have a tailor-made hybrid and three wood that I bought from the PGA Superstore. Literally, just went and hit him and bought them. And then I have a special shaft from club champion that I used to use with a different head that I have like the Maverick head on it now from Callaway.

So it's a mix, mismatch of clubs, probably why my handicap is currently rising at Rapid, speed. Would you rather win Augusta one time or win the other three each once? I feel like three majors is hard to beat, but the prestige and history behind Augusta gives me reason to stop and think about it. Also, it's cool knowing that you'd always be invited back to play each year. I think if it was two of them, right, if it was like one was the PGA and one was the other, the U.S. Open or the Open, I think the Ames.

answer unequivocally without hesitation is the masters. I think when it's the three of them, like you went three majors, you're a Hall of Famer. Even if those are your only three wins ever, if you've won a U.S. Open, the Open and the PJ Championship, I think you're a Locke Hall of Famer. But I still think you think about it because, you know, golf is not the NFL or basketball or the Stanley Cup or it's just, it's, it's. There is a very, and listen, I'm passionate and I watch it, I play it, I love it.

But I'm not, I'm in the football business. I understand its lack of gravity on a bigger scale. Now, it's more popular than ever from a playing standpoint, but I mean, Grant Horvats more popular than probably 98% of the PGA tour. And rightfully so, he does good shit. Actually, I watch a lot of YouTube golf. I watched Wesley Brian play the shitty course yesterday or last night with Jason Day. They're just entertaining. I was very entertained, whether it's the Brian Bros, Grant.

I watch Good Good take on Joel Damon, like 10 of them. That was entertaining at Weekapaw. Obviously, Bob does is just the best and hilarious. It's just a good product. It's just very entertaining. And unless you're just a golf nut, I do understand where PGA golf cannot be entertaining. It's not exactly Bill's chiefs. I get it.

Even if it's Rory and Scott, it boards a lot of people. But you win the Masters, if you just say, hey, I've won the Masters, someone that doesn't give a shit about golf and it's an NBA fan or a hockey fan knows exactly what you mean.

So I think the power of being a Masters champ, having the Green Jacket, and being a part of that, I think if you wanted to decide that, I'd have to think, long and hard. I'd probably just choose the Masters. I probably would. But it is hard. three majors. And that's, you'd be considered like one of the great players in the sport. But like Zander Shafley is a good example. Because he's won, he's a U.S. Open away from having three of them, right?

He won the PGA last year. He won the British Open last year. If he wins the U.S. Open, he'll probably end up with like 15 victories. And let's just say he ends up winning a U.S. Open. Never wins the Masters. like would Zander have been way more famous if Zandr Shafley just won the Masters and never those tournaments? I think you could say yeah he wouldn't be as rich probably but that's a great question

if the PGA was really worried about ratings and viewership don't you think they would figure out the utter disaster of setting T-times here I am watching the first round of the biggest non-major tournament of the year and Spieth Wyndham Clark Sestraca Tom Kim Abergh the Gives

Henley are already through 14 or 15 holes. Can you speak to all the broadcasting network rights that the PGA is going on right now? Because it is not working and if they want to increase viewership, they need to change. Well, the way a golf tournament works on Thursday and Friday, one, beside the majors, every other golf tournament is just on golf channel. And a good golf channel viewership is not seven figures. So you are, and I'm definitely this, we are a very, very small audience

relative to most sports watching Golf Channel non-majors Thursday and Friday. But the way a golf tournament works is there are two flights of people. Groups go off in the morning and groups go off in the afternoon. So you have to split the groups.

So one of your TV windows on Thursday is going to get the afternoon group. Well, if you love, load up, like you're saying, Thursday afternoon, with every guy that's in the field that's worth a shit, you know, all the top 25 players, well, the next day, they would tee off in the morning. So it would change the viewership window Friday,

who you'd be watching a bunch of random no-name guys. Now, they might be leading that individual tournament or playing well, but the group of Shefflers and Rorries and, you know, Justin Thomas is, even in a major. Bryson's and you name it would have already played. So it's not like you can't put them afternoon afternoon because there is an integrity of the field and playing in the morning is different playing in the afternoon.

I would imagine if I talk to a rules official or, you know, Jack Nicholas, like why do they do rotate the tea times? It's because the integrity of a golf course. If you've ever, me and you tee off tomorrow at TBC Scottsdale at 7 a.m. and then we teed off the following day at one o'clock in the afternoon, like our experiences could be a lot different. Sometimes the wind kicks up around lunch. So it makes the golf course play different.

Where on the weekends, anyone that's in the mix, they're all playing at the same time. But they cut down the field. And the other thing is because of the size of the field, right? You have 150 guys playing, not 50. You can't put them all in the afternoon. or some of these events like the elevated events that have 70 people in, you can kind of cook the books on that.

But that's not how the players is. There's 150 people playing in it. Love the pod, been listening to your content, appreciate it. This is from Nick. Had to laugh at your wedding ring golf story. I've been married 15 years and an avid golfer and Jim Goer. I was taking off my ring to do both and lost it three times, the first six months of marriage.

replacing it each time. Eventually, I just acknowledged I will keep losing it and told my wife, honey, I love you, and we are married. A piece of jewelry doesn't need to prove that. Haven't worn one since. That's awesome. Listen, unless you are, I would say,

one of those horn dogs out there and just has ulterior motives in the head, right or just a really good looking dude you know if you're not out attempting to do nefarious stuff not having your ring on is not gonna phase most guys right it's not like women are walking up to the majority of humans and hitting on you

but like it does mean something to her what I've done is I just ordered I forget the they're called no free ads here but the thunder fit they're the rubber black rings and I have about 20 already. I've already lost a couple. I just have unlimited amount of black ones.

And those are just, I wear to the gym, shower, play golf, just do activities just in life. I don't have it on right now because I took it off earlier for some reason. Oh, because sometimes when I put lotion on my face, I hate the lotion that gets into it. So I take it off and then you forget,

but I'm not worried about losing it. If I would have worn the ring that I bought myself, I 100% would have, it'd already be gone. And I've been married for three weeks, two and a half weeks. It would be, it'd be 100% lost. It just, it would not exist. I would have no clue where it is. But the rubber rings are a game changer for me.

Because they actually don't look bad. And they're, you know, if you buy a pack of however many, they're like, I don't know, seven bucks a ring. I don't even care. I mean, it just, it doesn't. And I haven't even, I don't even, maybe. Maybe I've lost one, but you don't even think about it. And when you bought it, they give you this thing that has like 50% off. So you can buy another pack for like a pack of 10 for, I don't know, 30, 40 bucks.

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