The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Saleh Fired, What's next for Adams, Should Wilson start in Pittsburgh?

Episode Date: October 9, 2024

John dives into the news of the day that the Jets have fired Robert Saleh. He discusses what role Aaron Rodgers may have played in this firing, who could be the next coach for the Jets, and what it means for any potential Davante Adams trade. Later, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 6:19 - Saleh gets fired 17:08 - Will Adams end up in NY 29:06 - Mailbag 31:04 - Should Wilson start in Pittsburgh 31:45 - Do the Bengals have any hope of the playoffs 34:58 - Who should call the Netflix game 37:50 - Should the Browns stick with Watson Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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so I recorded a reaction video on Tuesday like 10 or 11 in the morning and I thought you know what we'll just keep this recording we'll put it in the podcast I'll also do a little segment for the mailbag but the mailbag will only be about 30 minutes so I'll do more mailbags probably from Nashville I gotta hop on a bird here in about an hour

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and I think before we dive deep in any angle here, objectively, he was a really, really bad head coach. Nice guy. People like him. Was a good coordinator for the 49ers. But as a head coach of the New York Jets, wins and loss to speak for themselves. He's 20 and 36. And when you watch him, you constantly ask yourself, what is he doing? And I was thinking about it this morning that certain guys, younger coaches, get their opportunity and become a CEO head coach. And we've pushed back on it over the years.

A lot of you guys say, you're so anti-CEO coaches, look at Tomlin. Look at John Harbaugh. Well, yeah, look at them. They went to stable, well-run, winning organizations. We have a long history. If you become the head coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers, which only three guys have done over the last like 60 years,

you're going to win. What about the Baltimore Ravens? Well, John Harbaugh, turns out he comes from football royalty when it comes to coaching as Jack Harbaugh produced two elite coaches. And he got to go work for, I don't know, Ozzie Newsom. He inherited a team with Ed Reed Ray Lewis. Not a bad spot. Robert Sala went to a place that had a first-time general manager,

an owner who most people that have been around them, that have worked around them, that just know about the Jets, thinks an awful owner in the national footballie. Doesn't mean he doesn't have money. Doesn't mean that he won't fund certain things, but in terms of clearly pretty impulsive, and when you work for him, more than likely you're not going to win. Because I think there's a pretty consistent theme in the NFL that Robert, Robert Sala, if he was going to have success as a head coach, he could not have overcome this situation. You cannot overcome poor ownership. Stofansky tried and eventually a bit him in the

ass because now that contract really kicks in. Godspeed, Kevin. Now, Robert, you know, did not even make it to this Monday night football game. Don't totally blame him. Like, this wasn't going to work. It simply was never going to work. And I was thinking about the GM. the reason that Aaron Rogers is on the team is because they had the number two overall pick. Once upon a time. And they've drafted over the last three or four years, a lot of really good players. They've been pretty good at personnel. But they whiffed on Zach Wilson.

Now, if you wanted to argue, well, who else did they have picked? Trey Lance, he's even worse than Zach Wilson. Justin Fields, that wouldn't have worked with the Jets. Mack Jones, career backup. Yeah, the options weren't good. but he's paid to know that and he's paid to not screw that up. So yeah, Robert Sala has been bad,

but they are in this situation because Joe Douglas essentially had to go to the blackjack table with all the money he had and choose to put it on black or red. To save this situation, that's what he attempted to do because the Zach Wilson and the quarterback situation for the team blew up in his face.

And because of this weird situation of Aaron Rogers and the Packers, him getting kind of butt hurt that they brought in Jordan Love, even though they paid him a bunch of money and I'm acting weird, and then he finally wants to trade. It's like, yeah, he's available. But he's also 39 years old. In the last year that he played for the Packers, didn't go that well. And the previous year, one of the best teammates he's ever had in terms of a player said, like, I need to get out of here because I don't think this guy's going to be around anymore

in Devante Adams. So it was kind of getting weird. So you were banking on Aaron Rogers to essentially save your reputation and save your coach's job because you were headed toward disaster. And when you put whatever amount of money, if it's all the money you have on black or red, yeah, it could hit and it could double your money. If you got $100,000 to go buy, put for a down payment on a home, you could walk right into casino, put it on red.

If that thing hits, you got 200K. but if that thing misses, you got nothing. And it turns out the risk with this player, given what you have surrounding him, in terms of Robert Sala, and then when you get Aaron Rogers, he forces you to hire a specific offensive coordinator, it's always going to come up the opposite color.

And this was attempting to put a Band-Aid on a bullet hole, and Aaron Rogers at 39, 40 years old is simply not good enough to cover this up. Think about Tom Brady, the most recent all-time great quarterback, two changed teams. And he was a little older than Aaron. Now, unlike Aaron, his game wasn't predicated on moving around, but he got to go to Tampa, who you could argue had not been well. They had not made the playoffs in like a decade.

But he didn't inherit some random Tampa Bay coach. He got Bruce Ariens, a guy who'd proven to be pretty damn good. Well, Bruce is an offensive guy. So what's pretty important for an offensive coordinator, just like Robert Sala, the opposite side of the ball. He's a defensive coordinator. Hire someone because you're going to have nothing to do with that side of the ball. Who's Bruce Ariens boy? Todd Bowles.

So when Tom Brady signed that contract in Tampa Bay, obviously he was viewed as the savior, just like Aaron Rogers. But he was inheriting, like the Jets, good players, but a really, really good coaching staff. Aaron Rogers did not. Aaron Rogers inherited a head coach in Robert Solid that you never say never, but is not going to be a head coach for the foreseeable future. And no team, college or pro, will ever dream. And if they did wake up from that dream,

it would be considered a nightmare of making Nathaniel Hackett their offensive coordinator. And this isn't personal. Like, I don't know the guy. Hell, I wanted to root for him. Bald guy, UC Davis. Like, that's where he went to school. it's where I grew up.

But he's just terrible. He is not good at his job. And listen, he's not alone. There are a lot of football coaches in the NFL and in college who are stealing because these jobs pay so much money. And most of them are glorified PE teachers. They wouldn't sniff any job making a quarter of what these guys. A 10th, Nathaniel Hackett's probably making 1.5.

$2 million to be the offensive coordinator for the New York Jets. It's like, he's fucking awful at his job. So in no other spot in the private sector, could you be that bad at your job, make that much money, and hold a position? But the one thing Nathaniel Hackett is going for him is that the quarterback likes him. That's the reason, that's his job security. So if in the next couple of days he's gone, it's clear the quarterback turned on him. Like the quarterback turned on Robert Sala.

I don't totally blame him. Robert Sala was completely over his head. Every time Robert Sala went to the podium, he found himself with his foot in his mouth. And listen, I talk for a living. I enjoy coaches that will say some shit. It makes my job easier. But I also understand when Belichick or Andy Reid goes up to the podium and says nothing. What do they benefit from for saying things?

Belichick said it the other day. Listen, we're obviously thinking one thing. But in what world would it benefit? me, my team, my players, the coaching staff to go up there and say, it's a cadence issue, especially when you know cadence is one of Aaron Rogers bread and butter. It's such a BP fastball to go, you know what? We're going to have to take a look at this. We'll meet and talk about it the next couple of days and work on it to practice.

We feel pretty comfortable that we'll be able to get it figured out. And he could do that all the time, but he never chose to do that. he always would say, oh, he's in Egypt. Oh, this is going on. Zach Wilson, oh, this is happening. And he always felt that he was stepping in it. And why does that happen? Because the guy is not ready for the job.

And we have all been put in position. I would imagine in jobs we weren't quite ready for. That's part of life. I mean, that's part of moving on up in the world. But when you get put into a position where you're the boss, You're not middle management. You don't have a couple people answering to you. The entire organization is looking at you and you are unprepared and you don't know how to handle it.

You got no shot. And you definitely got no shot when you're with an organization as dysfunctional and as, you know, losing and failure is now interwoven within the Jets. It's part of the culture. Like they also play in New York where there's some other teams. The Yankees, who I was watching the game last night, might lose the Royals. They easily could. And then it'll be like, Aaron Boone, they can never win.

True. They're not winning in the playoffs. But I do think there's some merit to what Billy Bean said a long time ago. Like, baseball's kind of random. My shit doesn't always work in the playoffs. Like, I know this. I watch the Yankees.

They're in the fucking playoffs every year. They're pretty good. They kind of know what they're doing. Are they going to beat the Royals? Who knows? It's baseball. Are they going to win the next round against the Guardians? I don't know.

I mean, does they have a couple of bad pitching outings? Does Judge's back go cold for three weeks? but I feel pretty comfortable as a whole, the Yankees are going to be fine. I have zero faith that the Jets are going to be fine. Absolutely none. And like if O'Brick gives them a little life, they'll probably lose against the bills, who they hire, like who's coming in here, you know, will they hire William Belichick? He clearly despises this organization.

I don't think there's any amount of money they could pay them to get him to accept this job. But like this ultimately, if we look at, at the last couple years, from Zach Wilson to the trade with the Packers, like this moment, this morning, this is the Jets. This is who this franchise is. They are much, much closer to the Raiders than they are the Ravens, the Chiefs, or the Bills. I mean, let's just call a spade or spade. Their owner is just a more wealthy East Coast version of the Raiders.

And speaking of the Raiders, DeVante As, who like Aaron Rogers, I think has to look back and go, you know what? Obviously, Green Bay, I've never been there, kind of middle of nowhere, relative to a lot of these NFL cities. Not the number one place, most people, whether you have money, but especially if you're making millions of dollars, would more than likely choose to live. But one thing is not really disputable at this point. The Packers, since the early 90s, it's currently 2024, almost 2025 win. Like literally every single year, they matter. They have winning records and they go to

the playoffs. Here's what. They know what they're doing. And both those guys were pretty lucky. Aaron Rogers from Cal, J.C. Guy and Devonte Adams of Fresno State, non-power Five program, got drafted to the Green Bay Packers and went on to become stars. Now, they deserve. a lot of credit. You don't become a star without having the drive, having the talent, having the work ethic. But they all benefited from the organization. Always consistent good GMs from Ron Wolf to Ted Thompson and now Gutikins to having a pretty good idea over the last 20 years who to hire his coach. They've had two. Mike McCarthy, Matt LaFleur. And both those guys, whether it's ego, whether it's boredom, whether it's, I don't know,

no. They didn't tell me. Wanted it out. Do you think a couple years later they regret their decision? And who knows? Maybe the Packers would have moved on from both. Yeah, we don't think you're worth it. We're trading you. We're shorting you. They definitely might have done that to Aaron, but I think they would have figured out a way if Devante would have been more inclined to stay. And one chose to go to the Jets and the other chose to go to the Raiders. The Raiders already fired a coach. while Devante was there. He currently has a weird situation going on with his new head coach, which like Robert Sala, feels a little over his head,

has requested a trade. Who knows what the fuck's going on there? Aaron Rogers has gone to the Jets, got on to multiple spats with his head coach, who now is no longer there. I think it's a good example. Those guys were like born into first class relative to the NFL. It doesn't get much better than the Packers.

It's a very, very short list. And who drafts you in the NFL changes your life. It really does. Like if over the last five years, you got drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs, think how different your football career would have been if you would have got drafted by the Jags or the Browns, or the Jets, or the Raiders. You don't control that.

and I think both those guys had been in the league a long time, and they probably started complaining about things that weren't even there. And I think today, and I would imagine they're not really doing it, because you know what, they don't care. They moved on. They've remarried, and they're happy as shit, living on a golf course, and a gated community. So do I think Goudicans and LaFleur are smiling, puffing their chest out?

Probably not. There might have been a moment where LaFleur walked their, Goudicons walked in each other's office shut the door and gave each other a fist pound. Because we got this right. We're winners. This place wins. And listen, it's pretty impressive because at the moment both things happen, definitely Devante. Aaron, you could have made the argument because he was older, but still, they went all in on Jordan Love,

a guy who had literally barely played from Utah State. And it works. You know why? Because everything usually works in Green Bay. and when you go to the Jets or when you go to the Raiders or when you go to some of these teams, who is shocked that the Browns are currently one and four? Is anyone honestly?

Oh, they're so talented. Yeah, they're paying $230 million to a guy that can't play. And if they cut them tomorrow, there is not a team in the NFL, not a team in the NFL who would sign him for the veteran minimum. He's the most toxic player in the league. No one would touch him because of on and off the field. Can't play dead

in a Western on the field and off the field is a walking nightmare. But yeah, the Browns. It's usually what happens. It happens all the time.

It'll happen again. It's part of their DNA. So today represents a lot of different things. I said it when I went to the combine. Like you feel it walking around. Like, yeah,

these teams have no shot. They're going to lose. And the same teams lose over, and over and over again, whether it's the owner, whether it's the owner never knowing who to hire, whether it's the constant instability. Obviously, there are a lot of variables,

but when you are a player and you get the opportunity to go to these good teams and these well-run organizations, and they want to keep you, you should never leave. Because your career, this is not most of our jobs. If I can talk and my brain works, I can do this until the day they bury. me. A lot of people, right? Especially now with white collar office jobs. You can work a long time. In football, I mean, the average lifespan is like three and a half, four years. Aaron Rogers' career

playing whatever, almost 20 is a complete outlier. Hell, Devante as a second round pick is shattering the odds. Probably play 15 years in the NFL. And they both looked at the Green Bay Packers where they were winning and said, I want out. So I feel zero sympathy for their situations because they signed up to go to bad situations. And Rogers, and both of them had huge influence on like, I want Nathaniel Hackett. I think Antonio Pierce should stay.

It's like, this is not how football works. You know, if football is much closer to like, you don't tell the coach what to do, he tells you what to do it in good organizations, It succeeds. Now, obviously, as you build more rapport, they listen to you, but it's not like, you know, John Harbaugh is going to Lamar Jackson and Kyle Hamilton on a daily basis to get the breakdown of their thoughts for the organizational philosophical beliefs.

Right? And Aaron really wanted to do that because Green Bay didn't need his opinions. And they were probably getting a little tired of them. And the Jets would take it, why they were desperate. put it all on, put it all on red. And then it comes up black and everyone's looking around. Everyone's looking around. I said it when the beginning of the season,

for them to have the same odds as the bills, Josh Allen, they remove one of his legs. Did Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean retire? In what world is that team going to beat that team? And the answer is they're not. And we'll get to see it on Monday night, where I would expect the bills to beat the shit out of them. Why?

Because the Jets stink. They're just not very good. And we saw the Patriot game and listen, sometimes it does this and I'm guilty of this too. These standalone games, you get excited, you watch. Like, Aaron looks good. And it turns out the paths are beyond awful. And then he played two real teams.

And he looked, honestly, he looked more like a 50-year-old than a 40-year-old. It looked terrible. And his days of being a high-end player are over. That's what happens to old players. This isn't like what we're seeing out of Tom Brady or LeBron James. There are outliers, but outliers are that for a reason. They don't represent other people. They're out by themselves. And Aaron Rogers, you know what it looks like he falls into the category of? Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Ben Rothesberger, Philip Rivers at the end.

It's just Matt Ryan. Usually ends kind of ugly. Ends kind of weird. Ends kind of weird. It doesn't end that smooth. And you'd be like, well, John, Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl. Yeah, I was at the game. He could barely throw at 20 yards. Listen, his arm fell off, right? But they won because of the defense. And C.J. Anderson played pretty well.

And Peyton still had a mind, but he couldn't throw. And it's weird. Like, Aaron can still throw, not quite as strong as he used to. He can still move, but definitely not as quick as he could. And I think sometimes when you have these huge ego superstars that make a lot of money, they got a lot of opinions and they go to these dysfunctional places, sometimes it gets worse. Like sometimes they make it worse.

And I think there's something to be said about the two guys, the Packers, set packing. And they just won a playoff game, usually going to beat the Niners, probably be a playoff team again this year, already won a couple games with Malik Willis pretty easily. It's like, yeah, just doing Packer things.

Probably just cruise to 10-11 wins. Wild card. Might not win the division, but we'll be the 6th, you know. Jets will be drafted in 7th, because that's usually, Raiders be drafted in 6th. We'll draft 23rd and, you know,

have a decent chance to win a playoff game. Play the, whoever, I was going to say 49-hanners, but we got a long way to go before that happens. So, yeah, I mean, today was, I guess the overall theme of the day, predictable. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only

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Is the Instagram fire in those DMs? Get your question answered here on the show. We have a lot going on, obviously, uh, with the old Sala. Have to immediately fire this question after the Sala news. Should the Niners bring back Sala as they're, DC. Look, I get it's not realistic for the Niners to demote fire their new DC after five games. But I'm extremely envious. The Chiefs getting to hold on to Spags. Nobody's going to hire Saul as the new head coach anytime soon. And the Niners are currently in a spot where their DC

gets fired or hired away. Thoughts. I would do it in Rbeat. Listen, the, what's the statement in business? Like, be quick to fire. Be quick to fire. Be quick. to make changes when you know. Obviously at the highest level. I'm not talking about just like fire the fucking maid because he didn't take out the trash. I'm talking about in a situation where you hope

the DC would be good enough, but he might not be, just hire Sala. Now, does Sala still want to do that? He got a lot of money. He hasn't been a defensive coordinator in a while. Right? It's a lot more work. Oldbrick has been doing the heavy lifting. But if he'd be down,

I'd bring him back tomorrow. I'd fire the, or demote the guy. Again, this is big business. Guys are making millions. You ain't worried about feelings. It would be a little herky jerky, but a little desperate right now from what I see. I don't expect it to happen,

but if it did, like, I'd have no problem with it. You know, this isn't like, well, you just gave him an opportunity. Yeah, these opportunities pay two to three million dollars a year. And our expectations is to compete for Super Bowls. And right now we can't stop Matt Stafford and Kyler, So you get demoted, and we bring back Robert Sala, which are star players, Nick Bosa, and more importantly, Fred Warner, love. Love the show. Do you think the Steelers' offense would be better or worse if Wilson was under center?

Seems like Pitt should be doing so much more, I don't think they'd be any better. He's a dink and dunk guy. You know, the one thing Justin Fields gives you is a more explosive player, but he's not as consistent on the dinking and dunking, which Russell Wilson has kind of mastered, I would say, over the last couple of years. years. But if you're a Steeler fan, do you want to watch Russell Wilson? See the guy the last couple of years? At least with Justin Fields, there is a possibility at any moment something great could happen. Both guys are really flawed. I would take my chances with Fields over Russell Wilson. What would be my take? Is there any hope for the Bengals to make the playoffs? Win the next few and somewhere around 9 and 7? Or is it already over? You have no chance at the playoffs when your defense is that bad.

Just none. You know, if you played Deshawn Watson's 17 straight games, yeah, you'd be in good shape. But a defense who looks that bad, and now we have some, you know, evidence watching them against Washington, watching them obviously against the Ravens, even a couple weeks ago against Andy Dalton. It's kind of why I liked Andy Dolton and the Panthers against the Bears. Well, it turns out the Bears defense is good, and the Bengals is not. So I think you're looking at this thing getting away from pretty fast.

If you can't win a game at home when your quarterback's that good, I can't take you seriously. He was, your offense was brilliant. You have to win that game. You have to win that game. Even John Harbaugh was like, I would watch his press conference. He's like, man, we're down about 10 points, three different times in the fourth quarter, and our guys were just pulling plays out of you know where. You just can't lose that game.

You lose that game. I just can't take you seriously. And to me, the Bengals are not a playoff team. Been listening to you for a few years now. I'm curious on your thoughts regarding the dominance of the Chiefs run defense. I watch virtually every NFL game and haven't seen such a dominant defensive unit like this in a very long time. I saw a stat where all the top running backs they've faced are averaging about 2.2 yards per carry. Just in their 11-game win streak, they've completely shut down,

All the premier backs. King Henry, Kamara, Cook, McCaffrey, and Robinson, to name a few. Well, this might be incorrect. And maybe if I was sitting with Spags and I said this, he would push back against this. One thing they have going for him is they have corners who can cover. So when you have corners who can cover, you can cheat. And you can have your safeties cheat

closer to the line of scrimmage. They obviously, Nick Bolton is a fly-around linebacker, and they have really good defensive linemen. So when you can get penetration, and your linebackers and your safeties can cheat in the run game because you feel confident on your outside DBs covering guys in man-to-man situations, it's a huge curveball.

Most people cannot do that because they don't trust their DBs. And the other thing he is as a play caller is an incredible blitzer. So when you blitz, and it feels like his blitz calls, like he's the Andy of blitz calls, what Andy is to offense, if play calling and getting it right, he is that to defensive play calling, that you get a lot of guys in the defensive backfield,

and you get a lot of guys that, I would say, just are able to have tackles for losses because you're penetrating the backfield. You're not just relying on your defensive linemen. You've talked about who Netflix should hire for the Christmas game. After the Ravens-Bengles game, I think they should call Kevin Harlan. He is so electric and deserves to call some primetime games. Wouldn't you agree?

Yeah, I mean, he's awesome. I mean, he's obviously great at the NBA. He's great. If you're ever in the car on a Monday night, he usually calls or I haven't heard it. I'm usually not in the car anymore. But over the, I would say, when I lived in the Bay Area, I'd often be in the car doing like local TV stuff driving home. him, he would call games for Westwood

won. It was a radio, but he was working then with Boomer, Assison, or Kurt Warner, but he's excellent. So, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't shock me at all. He's, it's going to be difficult because, you know, will these guys that already have a full

slate want to do it? Now, money talk, shit walks. So if you're going to pay him, I don't know, whatever these guys make, the equivalent of 50 grand a game, if you're willing to quadruple that for one game. Is it worth it to be away from your family? Like I said, I think that's why Tom Brady turned it down. Now, play-by-play guys, they're just, they would never give up games. So if they

ever get offered them, they usually take them. I would imagine he would take the game if offered. A huge fan of the pod. I've been listening for the last two years. I feel like after a couple missed deep shots very early in the game, they just completely took the ball out of Fields' hands. there was definitely an effort to get him going by running him, but I feel like the play calls were extremely safe and mostly as the game went on. I know Dallas has a bad run defense, but it became extremely predictable.

Do you think there's a sign that they're going to go back to Russell even though Justin has played pretty well? I think if you go to Russell Wilson, you're insane. You really are. Now, I get Tomlin, older coach in the sense of he's been on the team for a while, maybe he's inclined to look at Russell Wilson and hope that he could strike a little bit of that magic

where Fields, I mean, the best he's ever played is literally here and it's not that great. It's not like they're scoring that many points. I don't pretend to believe that 100% Fields is just never going to relinquish that spot because old school coaches get kind of weird sometimes with younger players when they got a veteran player that what's the worst case scenario?

They start Russell a game. You can never go back to... Sure you can. Justin, you're back in the game two weeks later. That's the way it works. So I think everything's on the table. I would just keep riding Justin Fields out, but I do get from Tomlin's perspective

or not scoring points, like what the hell's going on? Though I don't think they would really score that many more points if Russell's in the game. It's not really... Look at the way he's played the last couple years. Congrats on the engagement. My question is this. As a lifelong Browns fan,

I was hopeful about our... team being able to overcome the woes of Deshawn Watson. But so far, it hasn't played out. Do you think it's a bad idea for the Browns to just stick with them all year and get a higher draft pick than to change at quarterback? With DeShan's cap situation, a rookie quarterback contract could help offset his cap space and also give us the ability to move on from this disastrous player on our team. I think the best case scenario, if you're a Browns fan right now,

would just be to have Deshawn Watson play every game and lose every game and end up with a top two or three pick and just hopefully you're able to reset the franchise. But I do believe this. Shador Sanders would refuse to play for you, given this situation. I think if Cam Ward has a, I mean, if I was representing Cam Ward,

we would refuse to play for the Browns. If I was Quinn Ewer's representation, that is a hard no. So I do think this situation, the problem is it makes everything weird. It really does. It just creates chaos. And if I'm a Browns fan, I'm really, really mad at my owner. Because it's one thing, I get why the GM and the head coach were interested in

Deshaun Watson. He was not coming there until Mugeta took advantage of him. And charged him $230 million. And that's why he's on the team. and he's objectively one of the worst players we've ever seen over the course early on in this season and moments last year. It's that bad. It really is.

Can't throw him into the pocket. No speed to scramble. Arm looks crappy. Body language. All time awful. When you see his eyes, when they go to his face, you know sometimes like in a movie, if you're watching like a dark movie,

they're like, I looked in his eyes. He just looked dead. he was just, he was gone. You know, it's like one of those moments where he's just, it's just over. Like, you just look in those eyes, it just looks, just looks dead. And if you think about it,

I was thinking about this the other day. This contract obviously was a lot of money to Sean Watson, but he was already really rich. He was a top 15 pick, which meant he got some money, not like game-changing money, but millions of dollars. And then he signed a contract extension

with the Texans. I think a hundred plus million dollar contract extension. So he was super rich. So this money, obviously, he's added more money to his bank account, but if he wanted to eat at the nice steakhouse, if he wanted to buy two G-wagons, if he wanted to buy a second home, he already had the cash to do that. I can't imagine. I don't know if there's karma for the situations with the masseuses.

There can't be a worst situation. to be a human being. Like, if you're Deshaugh, like, life has to suck. Everyone's looking at you weird. Everyone thinks you suck because you do. No chance your teammates really like you. Because even if I first met Deshawn as a teammate a couple years ago, it's like, ah, nice guy.

Got along with him. Even if that was my interaction, after a while, we're all human beings. So put it into normal humans. Let's just say, you're working a job. You're 30 years old. You've been at the company for a little while. You're doing well.

You're making $100,000 with bonuses and you hit some, you know, make a couple sales here and there. You can get up to like $150. You're financially well. You live in a place where that goes a long way. Then you got a dude who is in a more important position who makes, let's just pick for argument's sake, $5 million. You're like, listen, I met the guy who's nice, but this guy makes so much more money than me. And then after a while you go, I think I'm more valuable than this guy. I'm not even saying you have to be a quarterback

You could be a guard You could be a DB You can be a tight end You start thinking They're paying this guy 60 million dollars To suck this bad And he makes like the uniform

I wear Look awful because of everything He created Like after a while You're gonna start resenting it We're just we're all human beings And a lot of it In the private sector

Comes back to cash And we kind of compare ourselves Do other people especially those we work with wait, you're paying him how much? And I'm way better, I'm more valuable and he's bad at his job and no one likes him. To me it starts to snowball.

And that's, how could you be a player on the Browns if you're just a solid player and I'm just going to pick a number? Let's just say you make $4 million, which obviously to society is a boatload of money. You're a top 1% of a 1% of her. But relative to the locker room,

you don't you're not even close to the highest paid right they got a lot of high paid guys on that team but the highest paid guy on that team makes the the gap between you and him is really really wide it's like you know like i'm gonna be a good teammate because that's what i'm taught in football like be a good guy don't know don't make it about yourself it's about we that i and after a while though you're just like no this is this ain't this ain't it so to me they're you're you're They're going to have a mutiny inside. That like, we can't keep doing this. Also, the livelihood of most of these players,

not named like Miles Garrett, you're kind of always fighting for your job every single year in the NFL. Scholarships don't really exist for the overwhelming majority of players. It's good ones too. Fellow Cal Poly alum, go Mustangs. Question for the bag.

How do you evaluate a talent like Cam Ward. I'm not a huge into college football, but I watched the Cal Miami game and couldn't help but think that his backyard football style as of now might not translate. As a scout,

how do you evaluate the hero ball? Well, Caleb Williams was the number one hero ball maybe guy of all time. And as of last week, he's made huge strides, the best game as a pro. So when you're in the NFL,

Unless, you know, it's Nick Saban or Sark or Lane Kiffin or some of these guys, the coach is kind of irrelevant. And usually you go, yeah, he's not that good. We wouldn't hire him. We got Andy Reed. We got Sean McVeer, Kyle Shanahan. We'll get the guy right. And that's how you kind of look at it as a scout.

And you go, was he accurate? Does he have good arm strength? Do you feel comfortable with him making all the throws? How is he at the line of scrimmage? What's his control? Is he making the... checks is does he understand is he comfortable running your offense against zone and man against the difference coverages what's he like against the blitz you start factoring all these things in

and more than likely depending on the program you're going to go yeah the coach is probably average you know or decent or maybe below but you go my guy's good and if my guy's comfortable with his attributes we can get the hero ball thing away and obviously it can be a detriment to Cam Ward, but it can also be a positive. Like, I've said this about Anthony Richardson. I said this about Josh Allen. I said this about Trey Lance. I have no problem ever with...

Now, the problem with Trey Lance, he doesn't have the physical skills, not even remotely close to Anthony Richardson and Josh Allen. Like, his downfall isn't just, he's not good. It's like his physical attributes are average. Obviously, Cam Ward's are not. Shador has some...

I can speak to Shador. I've watched him much more closely than Cam. I don't know. I'd have to look who Cam's offensive coordinator is. But for example, Shador, it's like, well, he's always playing hero ball. Well, yeah. His offensive coordinator is Pat Schumer, who I wouldn't hire to be my tight-in coach in the NFL, who calls four and five wide.

Now, maybe Deon's making him do it. But when his offensive line can't block him, he's running for his life. Yet I watch Shador in big spots, pretty calm and collected, and can make big spots. Same thing with camp. even if sometimes they're partly responsible for putting themselves there. So to me, these two quarterbacks, like George's guy, Carson Beck, if you just watch him, he plays much more naturally in the construct of the offense. Three, five-step drop, hitch release.

But I watch him, I guess, go, I don't think he's that good. It's like, well, he lost his tight end, he lost his wide receiver. Yeah, you can give me all the excuses you want. I'm just watching them, the eye test, and go, yeah. I'm not saying he's just a side. scrub. I'm not saying he won't get drafted, but you couldn't pay me to draft that guy in the top two rounds. Where I see the other guys, yeah, they might fail. K.M. and Shador, you never know. It's the NFL's the draft. We see crazy things happen all the time. But I'm taking a chance

with that talent. So, assuming, and from everything I've heard, Cam Ward, great guy. People love been a huge time, big time leader on Miami. So to me, Cam Ward has a very, very good chance, even with the quote unquote hero ball to be the number one overall pick. I mean, shit, look, Bryce Young, who's a 5-9178-pound guy.

What number one overall? Kyler Murray had some hero ball to him. It's like, that's, talent is a big discrepancy if you get the right talent with the coach. Patrick Mahomes, Monday night football. you're like a couple three 60s. He's like an Alan Iverson juke move.

Now it works so it looks cool, but sometimes it doesn't. Like that's what I want. I mean, I want a little bit of a playmaker. There just aren't that many like Peyton Manning, like runs it perfectly. One, two, out.

Three, four out. If it goes to zone, the man, we move down. It's like, yeah, all that stuff sounds great in theory, but like eventually what happens when the guard gets smoked by Chris Jones? Derrick are screwed.

Well, if that's Kyler Murray, like, yeah, might be screwed. Also, the play might be alive. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.

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So yeah, now we're experts. I know we annoyed a lot of our listeners by our severe lack of survivor knowledge. That is the point of the show. I'm just going to remind you. I have watched some Survivor. I obviously haven't watched enough. Did people not like it? Yeah.

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So make sure to tune in to Pod Meets Twirled for all our Survivor 50 takes. Listen to PodMeets Twirled on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm curious to know your thoughts on Nico, Lola Malayolva. I think I screwed that up, but the Tennessee quarterback.

It is abundantly clear that Hypo and the coaching staff don't trust him at all. They run the ball on third and long with regularity and generally seem to try to keep the ball out of his hands as much as they can. He also, at least to my untrained eye, struggles with accuracy on most throws, regardless if he's in the pocket or not. I understand he's only in his sixth start,

but sometimes the coaching staff in their decision making can be telling. Well, as a young player, you have to give the coaching staff a reason to trust you. right so until you earn my trust these offensive coaches are not going to put it on your back so let's use examples of guys recently drafted high c j stroud Caleb Williams jaden Daniels last year with brian kelly I'm just listening uh bow nicks and michael panics with their respected staffs they were so good so fast well obviously a couple of them different paths but i just meant with their offense.

Bo Nix was good right away for Oregon. Michael Pennix was good right away for Washington. Jaden Daniels had a year playing for Brian Kelly. Obviously, Caleb had been with Lincoln the whole time. Those guys trusted them fast, and they responded, and they made big-time plays through some touchdowns. Nico, who I kind of put all my chips in the table of, and I got to be very careful about doing this

because I did the same thing with Jackson Arnold. It's one thing to do with an NFL player. I never watched these guys play besides some YouTube highlights of their high school. So who knows? And playing college quarterback going from modern day or wherever you come from high school in Texas, the gap is way wider than playing at Oregon or USC or Texas than going to the NFL, which is obviously a wide gap. But at least in those games, you're playing in front of 70, 80,000 people against,

in your biggest games, a ton of other NFL players. In high school, for the most part, you're not. not playing against that many Power 5 Division 1 players. On a given game, maybe, but the totality of your high school career, that it's, you're playing a lot of John Middle Cuffs. There's nothing wrong with that. I almost said tried hard, but I wouldn't consider myself a try hard guy, bad shape. And small.

I think they had high hopes. And early on, it was like, well, damn. And then obviously against Oklahoma, who is excellent at defense? The Arkansas game, full disclosure, I was boozing hard, and I was at the Drafking Sportsbook and watching a ton of games, and wasn't super locked in on that one. I think by the time we got home, we watched the end of it, and I remember he ran out of bounce to end the game.

So you could argue, it's not only I don't trust him with the accuracy if I'm the coaching staff, do I trust his football IQ right now? Because that's a play that just cannot happen. It's unacceptable. You can't run out of bounds. It's like guys that You know do that on fourth down or don't throw it to the sticks It's like guys

There are certain Contacts of the sport of football That it's just if this happens You can't catch a ball out of bounds So if you throw the ball out of bounds It's impossible to get caught If it is no time left And you're scrambling around

And you are down If you go out of bounds The game ends And from a coaching Scouting perspective It doesn't get any dumber than that. And there's, you can say, hey, you've got to coach these situations, you've got to be put in this situations, you're a young player, a lot going on, on the road.

Arkansas is actually sneaky, not bad. There are a lot of different variables. But eventually, like, I have to rely. One thing I think you've noticed this whole time with Andy and Mahomes is Andy was very, very confident and comfortable early on with Mahomes just as an instinctive player. Like, you know what? I trust your instincts. It doesn't mean you're not going to fail sometimes or get it wrong, but I trust your instincts.

And I think the best players are all very, very instinctive players. That you're not born knowing this stuff, but I definitely think it gets developed early on in your athletic career, whether it's in like peewee football, high school football, just playing with your friends. You just develop these instincts, maybe even a little in college. but like for the most part once you get to the NFL you got instincts or you don't and sometimes early on in college

you can still develop them because like you said it's only a sixth start but that is an area that must be developed as this kid's going to be a star because Oklahoma did the thing with Jackson Arnold and were like yeah he's just not he doesn't know this is not going to work

and we don't have time for him just to like hopefully develop instincts on the fly because right now his instincts are destroying us and when you get an instinctive play that knows what they're doing. And you could argue that Bo Nix and Michael Pennix had got to develop those at Indiana and at Auburn.

So by the time, and maybe that's fair. It's why actually the transfer portal has served a lot of guys well because they've got to fail and then they get to their new place and they're ready to succeed. But Tennessee at one point in time, it's like, God, is their defensive line good enough? Their offensive pieces, we know their coach is pretty good. and then this guy feels a little overwhelmed,

which like Jackson Arnold and him, you go, well, he's 18, 19 year old guy with like championship expectations. It's pretty difficult in the SEC where it's just insane. It's like the New York Jets level fervor. So I wouldn't write the guy off, but I think it shows how difficult this is.

And I think I had a few, but I remember sitting on my couch because we had gotten back from the sports book and watching him run out of bounds. It's like, what? What was that? Why don't the Jets went on this? Hire Belichick.

I think they would love to. I think Woody Johnson would hire him yesterday. He'd hire him tomorrow, and he'd hire him at the end of the season. I think there are certain things that are non-negotiables. and we all have them in life. I think the older you get,

you have less and less of them. You realize as you've just experienced different things, kind of never say never. You never know how things are going to end up personally in relationships with business. That's why you learn early on. You're taught this. And it really, as you age,

you realize the power of it. Like don't burn bridges, be careful, treat people well, personally and professionally. Belichick hates these fucking guys. And one thing as I've gotten older, like, if you ask me, like, who do you hate? I'm like, honestly, I try not to hate anybody.

Unless you wronged my family, my dog, or my future wife, or my unborn children. Like, I don't have the energy to hate you. If you screwed me financially and the number was big enough, that could go there.

I have been screwed financially before. But looking back, the number didn't derail my life. Matt originally, I don't care. But it could get to a point where obviously the hate would come out and I would hate you forever probably. But it would take a lot. And I'd say most people I associate with

would fall somewhat under that umbrella. Like it takes a lot. Belichick is not one of those humans. And however that situation played out when he quit on them with Parcells and got traded to the... Obviously they played each other. for however two and a half decades.

I just can't see him doing it. Now, listen, we all have a product or what's going on? Well, what if he has no other job offers? What if the Jets are his only job offer? Then I think we would learn. Does he want to break this record? Does he want to still coach? Or does he kind of indifferent?

I saw a picture going viral of him with his new girlfriend. He wearing the Taylor Swift sweatshirt. Maybe he doesn't care. Because it's not out of the realm possibility. That's his only offer. I would imagine he has. more, but who knows? 72, 73 years old.

I think Jets would hire him in a heartbeat. Definitely at the end of the season, if he'd be willing to do it. Because that would be a huge win for Woody Johnson. He'd get a ton of credit. He'd get to play the Patriots. Get Bill Belichick to break that record as a New York jet, in theory.

But I don't think it's going to happen. And I think it's because of Bill. If Bill has options, 100% would not take it. If Bill didn't have options, I still think he would think long. and hard about like, yeah, maybe my career's just over. And I'll just do this YouTube and McAfee and Peyton Manning shit for the next four or five years and just kind of kick it and just enjoy life.

I got six rings as a head coach, two more as an assistant. Like, what else can I accomplish? You can break the record. But do I want to break the record and one day when I'm dead have the picture of me in a Jets hoodie? I don't think he would. I don't. I mean, this is a northeast. There's a guy that holds grudges.

This is a guy that holds grudges. So I would, I don't know. We've never really got to the bottom. I've never read a great explanation. Obviously, there are a lot of variables here, but like a specific instance, pretty sure Woody Johnson didn't even own the team at the time. But I would bet against Bill Belichick ever being the New York Jets head coach.

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