The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Shedeur Sanders getting his CHANCE, MVP futures odds, Rams WITHOUT Stafford

Episode Date: August 7, 2025

John dives into the Browns announcing that Shedeur Sanders will be starting the Browns first preseason game and how even though he's only starting because of injuries to other QB's, this is the perfect chance to prove himself as a potential starter down the road. Next, John discusses who he likes to bet on for future MVP odds and who he thinks could be a starter. Later, John takes a minute to discuss the news that longtime NFL broadcaster Greg Papa announced that he will be missing the preseason games due to cancer. Finally, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 04:17 - Shedeur Sanders getting his chance 11:42 - MVP Future Odds 25:47 - Greg Papa update 38:11 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's a great part about life. I mean, two of the best things that have ever happened to me professionally are getting fired. Looking back, those were pivotal moments that changed my life for the better professionally. Without those two things happening, who knows where I'm at today. You see it all the time. obviously in sports, but in other businesses. People die. People get sick.

People get divorced. People are forced to move for whatever. And it creates an opportunity for someone else. If you had nothing to do with it, it's hard to ever apologize for the opportunity that's given. And nothing is more true than in football. You know, Brock Purdy is one of the most talked about players in the NFL. Huge reason because he's a polarizing player,

because a lot of people don't think he's as good as he is. Some people do. Regardless, his opportunity. opportunity he came because Trey Lance shattered his ankle and then Jimmy Garoppolo broke his foot. Who knows if Brock Purdy ever happens

if two feet don't get pointed the other way and guys cannot walk off the field? Think about in about a month a little less than that. When training camp ends, I guess training camp technically ends a little bit before the cut down date, but when you cut down from 90 guys to 53,

A lot of later round draft picks guys not making that much money won't just make the team they will earn starting jobs not because they are noticefully better than the guy they were competing against but simply because they're about the same and this guy makes a million

and the guy we're cutting makes 10, makes 12 makes 8 so you're simply getting an opportunity because you are cheaper welcome to America and Shador, Sandra, is getting an opportunity to start this game. And who knows, maybe the entire preseason, depending on injuries,

because of the hamstring of Kenny Pickett and potentially Dylan Gabriel, though reports are Dylan Gabriel looks terrible in practice. But who knows? That if these injuries persist, maybe he gets to play a lot earlier than any of us thought. And this is football. Guys get injured. I can imagine if we went to look at the Hall of Fame

and broke down the amount of players who began early in their career because of a couple injuries, they got thrust into action, either as a rookie or a second year player, because some guys got injured, the number would blow you away. For every guy that's just inserted as a starter immediately, there are a lot of guys that initially get their opportunity

because of injury. And sometimes opportunities come because on the other side, something bad happens. And obviously Joe Flacco, they're not going to waste any reps on him. They're not even wasting that many practice reps, let alone reps in terms of the preseason. But I'm still a little perplexed by, like, I understand if you told me Kyler Murray or Lamar Jackson in a game had a hamstring tweak when they were running like 50 miles an hour down the sideline, I'd be like, yeah, that's possible. Michael Vick, you know, those type players. How does Dylan Gabriel tweak a hammie?

He's not a running quarterback. Even Kenny Pickett, not a bad ass. athlete, but like running around doing what? So, but if I'm Shador, I don't care at all. And listen, I give Shador credit because it recently was reported, I forget who Dion told this to, but he said that Shador told him, don't show up. I don't want you here. The circus that you'll bring, given my status on this team.

Like, I just, I'd appreciate it. I love you, dad. You mean everything to me, but you don't need to come to training camp to support me like you did with Shiloh. It's just it's not necessary here. And I think, you know, it's a good learning lesson for a guy that is going to get the opportunity during these preseason games when you play, everyone watches. And one problem for Shador that he created was during the draft process, one, if you're not going to go really high, it's easy to fall in the draft. And a fall could be like, I thought he was going to go in the top 20, 25.

and all of a sudden he was there in the mid-40s. So once you start dropping in the draft, especially multiple rounds, every team is passing on you. But for most players, like this year, I think Abdul Carter isn't a good example. He wasn't talking to every team. Why?

Because he knew he was a top two or three lock. So why even waste any time? Dion Sanders has told stories about when he was coming out in the draft. He did the same shit. A lot of top players do that. Not because they're dicks or assholes. It's just a completely. complete waste of time. But when you don't know where you're going to go, especially if you're

just like a random second round pick, it is to your benefit to talk to every team. And the amount of stories I heard about Shador was like, you know, the good teams that were drafting in the 20s would want their quarterback coach to interview him. And he'd be like, you already got a quarterback. You're not going to be interested in me. And their whole point was, you don't know how this draft's going to go. You could be there in the third round, fourth round, and we'll just take you. But we didn't get to know you, so a lot of the teams were like, we know nothing about this guy. Well, now we're at the position where every team evaluates you. And the most important thing you can ever do in football is put it on film.

It superseded everything in the history of the game. You can get in a shitload of trouble off the field. But if you put it on that tape, people will look the other way. And I'm not saying Shador is that, you know, in trouble or anything. I'm just saying all the stuff that led up to the draft, all the negativity that surrounded that situation to why he fell, he's in a position where none of that matters anymore. You go out and listen,

Shador Sanders is not going to get cut this year. I think he's going to make the team, and I've never seen him throw a pass for the Cleveland Browns, right? And who knows how this preseason is going to go? I'm pretty confident sitting here before he throws a preseason pass that he's going to make the team. But what about next year? They got two first round picks.

I think we all agree they're going to suck. Who knows how many games he'll play in the regular season? I would short this team if he's playing a lot. Whoever's playing. To me, they got about three or four wins written all over him because of their offense and quarterback situation is going to be really, really ugly. And next year they're going to have multiple picks,

and we all know they're going to be in the quarterback business. And who knows? You wouldn't think their coach and GM would lose a job, but their owner's kind of crazy. So what if a new coach comes in? What if he doesn't want the guy that I'm drafting number two overall and Shador's still around? So what is Shador doing right now?

He's auditioning to the entire league. And just like every player that's going to get substantial reps over these next couple weeks. So all that stuff that happened, you know, during February, March, and April, none of it matters if you start slinging that pill around because you start setting yourself up for the future. And listen, I'm really interested to watch

and his opportunity came because somehow a bunch of quarterbacks were pulling hamstrings. Okay, MVP. scrolling around it's a little app called Draft Kings and I think I'm going to get pretty aggressive with some futures

I'm going to do some division bets I'm obviously I'm going to throw a couple on the MVP might do a couple conference winner bets and you know over unders I would rather just pick like

are you going to make the playoffs or not than the overrunners like living and dying with every single game but who knows I've never dabbled in the overunders but we might talk about that

but the MVP is pretty simple there's a group of four and there's a group of four And there's a group of the four quarterbacks that we talk about all the time. Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, which are the favorites to win the MVP. They've obviously been the last two guys to win this award. Their teams are literally favored to win the Super Bowl and the conference, despite none of them actually winning the Super Bowl or the conference with these two guys,

but that's where the odds are. They are both like three, four to one to win the MVP, and their teams are, I think, if I remember correctly, like six to one. to win the Super Bowl. That's ahead of the two teams who were literally in the Super Bowl last year. The Eagles have been there two of the last three years. The Chiefs have been there five of the last six years. Yet somehow these two teams are favored. Now listen, these are two great players. They are Hall of Fame level players. Got no problem if you want to throw a little cash on Lamar or Josh. To me, the value though, would be in the other two guys of that group. One is Mahomes who, listen, for the most part, when you look at MVP, especially over the last

15 years. It's a lot of Aaron Rogers. It's a lot of Tom Brady. It's a lot of Peyton Manning, a lot of Patrick Mahomes, and now Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. So it's not a lot of random guys. It's usually the cream of the crop, not just the best player in the league, but like one of the best players of all time. So I don't think you can ever go wrong picking from this group, even though there are odds, like you're getting the worst ROI. I do think with Joe Burrow, he's a good example. Unlike those other two guys, he's proven like he can go the distance. winning, you know, in terms of making it to the Super Bowl. Now, how you do in the playoffs does not impact how you get voted on before, you know,

it's a regular season award. But I do think when you look at Joe Burrow, last year he was awesome. And he was in the discussion and his team didn't win. I think if you want to bet on Joe Burrow, the logic has to be this. The defense is just better. And their team wins 12 or 13 games. And he puts up similar numbers. Because if he does the same thing he did last year and instead of winning now,

games, his team wins 12 or 13, maybe wins the division or at least is like the five seed. He is not just in the discussion. He's going to get a lot of votes. Because the one thing he has going for him, unlike the Bills and the Ravens now, is you go, the Ravens have been one of the better run organizations in American sports for the last 25 plus years. The bills over this Josh Allen run, well run. We know what they're doing. Most people, and it's the media that votes, think the Bengals are kind of a joke.

Fair or not. People don't take them seriously. So you get extra credit elevating that group. So to me, that's how you have to look about it. If you think the Bengals are going to be good this year, and I mean, not like, I mean, they were pretty good last year, especially down the stretch. I mean, a 12-13 win team, I think there's value there in Joe Burrell.

And to me, Mahomes, who's already won two of these, in a weird way, because I think it's hard for people. Like, Lamar's already won two. Josh finally got over this night, so he kind of got a look at it from, a narrative standpoint, an angle standpoint. And the thing with Mahomes, we all know, I think he's the best quarterback in the league. Now, his stats, he hasn't had the best stats in the league.

And just on an individual, like, game in, game out basis over the last couple of years, people would say, Josh Allen's been better, Lamar Jackson's been better. Yeah, Mahomes teams win all the games, and they definitely win them all when they matter. So we all kind of acknowledge, like, yeah, just don't bet against this guy when it matters. Well, the problem is the last couple years, 27 touchdowns. touchdowns, 11 picks. Last year, or 14 picks. Last year, 26 touchdowns, 11 picks.

His stats haven't been good enough to really be in the conversation, right? But if you tell me this year, now, I think the question mark, Rishi Rice is going to get suspended. I think he actually did a couple days ago, you know, for the first couple games. Or maybe that was Jordan Addison. I can't keep up with these guys getting car issues. But he's going to be gone for a couple games. Can worthy take a step?

They're running game situations. They're offensive lying to be better. How much Travis Kelsey? I think it's hard to bet. a little on their skill guy in terms of how explosive his numbers are going to be. But if you believe and you like their group and you think he can get back to high 30s in terms of touchdowns, we know the Chiefs in shitty years they win 11, right? Good years, like last year, they cruz, cruise would be strong.

I mean, they won a lot of one-score games, but they're a team that no one-shocked when they win 13, 14 games. So if you have a quarterback who we all consider the best player in the league or the most important player in the league for sure. And one of the great winners of all time, he puts up good stats on a team that wins 13, 14, he's just going to be in the conversation. Now, I am not opposed to being like,

yeah, I'm not really messing with that group, even though the group of quarterbacks over the course of the last 15 years has basically just been one of those type guys. I do think there could be a couple dark courses. And we had like a three-and-out team meeting earlier today and we were just throwing different ideas around and my guy Noah on the

Zoom was like, what do you think about Baker Mayfield, 25 to 1? My first reaction was like, I don't know. And I started looking at it. If you go over the last 15 years, there are a couple outliers, right? A lot of Tom Brady's, a lot of Aaron Rogers, a lot of Mahomes, a lot of Peyton Mannings. And then there's back-to-back Cam Newton and Matt Ryan. And I think Baker has something in common with both these guys.

One, to be, I don't even want to call those guys randoms. I mean, Cam Newton was the number one overall pick. Matt Ryan was the number three overall pick. Baker Mayfield, number one overall pick. Those guys were really famous before the best years of their career. Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, outlier years, best record in the league, Super Bowl level teams. And I think if you look at the Bucks and you go,

is this a team that can win 12, 13 games? Because last year they won 10, and they were solid, and Baker put up really good numbers. But if they could win 13 and go 13 and 4 and be the two seed, and Baker has similar numbers in terms of 40-ish touchdowns, maybe cut down a couple interceptions, though Baker's always going to be a guy that throws some picks. But I think you can live with it if you're winning, and clearly he's the best player on the team,

the heartbeat of the team. And a lot like these guys, it goes, they couldn't be here without that guy. And I think there's some momentum when you're a really famous player like Baker Mayfield based on your draft status. That's what Cam Newton and that's what Matt Ryan had. They had momentum of someone being in the vernacular. Now, unlike Cam and Matt, those guys have been on the same team the whole time, Baker's had a little adversity, which I think adds to the story.

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more as well. That's typically not what happens. I do think there's a parallel though with Sequin Barclay and Terrell Davis in 1998 when he won the MVP. The Broncos had won the Super Bowl in 1997 and Terrell Davis had had a massive year, 1,700 yards, 15 touchdowns and was just a dominant, dominant player. He came back the next year and he ran for 2000. Now, I don't think Seekoine Barkley is going to go back to back 2000. But like Terrell Davis, coming off a championship, we all acknowledge he's not just, as we sit here right now, the best running back in the league. He's clearly one of the best offensive players in the league. So if he comes back this year with the team, I already saw Devante Smith battling back

injuries, AJ Smith or AJ Brown's had some injuries, like their wide receivers kind of get banged up. And when all else fails, their offensive line is loaded, hand the ball to that guy. They just invested him, they want him to be a star, the more he's a star, the better they look, right, for stealing him from the Giants, they're going to put the nail in the coffin. And at 50 to 1, right, of all the guys that are truly a long shot, you just went, well, what if Sequin, even if he doesn't get back to 2000, what if he has 1,800 yards and the Eagles have the best record in the NFC, which I think we all agree is very possible. They have easily one of the best rosters in the league, and they're going to run the ball.

Now, the one thing is, unlike Terrell Davis in 1998, John Elway wasn't running the Tush Push. So the Tush Push is going to take away several touchdowns from Sequin. Last year, I think Sequan had, I didn't write it down, but like 13 touchdowns rushing the ball, I think. Let me just double check on this. I don't want to screw this up because obviously Jalen had a bunch. Yeah, Seekwon had 13 touchdowns last year,

which is fair to say if the tush push didn't exist, that number is easily 17 or 18. And Terrell Davis in 1998 had 21. So if that number can go from like 13 to 18, and we know how often he busts these big runs. Last year he set a record, I think, for most runs from scrimmage over 60 plus yards. I just think there's some value there.

I don't think you're crazy if you're like, yeah, through 50 bucks on Seguan Barkley. And you just have a chance come, the home stretch of December. So to me, you could make a case from a homes and burrow. But I do think there's some value in Baker at 25 to 1 and Sequin Barclay at 50 to 1. Quick thing before we get out of here, when I got into radio and I got a job at 957 the game in the Bay Area, their number one show was hosted by a guy named John Lund and Greg Papa.

and Greg Papa is one of the more accomplished, I would say, broadcasters that I've ever been around because he has called play-by-play games. He went to Syracuse in the 80s and got hired out of college and immediately worked in the NBA at like 22 years old. But by the late 90s, he had called A's games. He had called San Francisco Giants games.

He was the broadcaster, like the voice of the Oakland Raiders for Al Davey. and he also called Warriors games on television. So, and now he's currently the 49ers play-by-play guy. He's had one of the most unique careers and something we will never see again. Even if you go to a market or there are several teams, you'll never have a guy that been like, called Yankees games, called Giants games, called Knicks games, called Jets games, and I called some Mets games.

Like, it's just, it's just not happening anymore. But it was recently, it came out, and I consider him a friend. He's someone that I've admired. that I looked up to because his love and passion for sports are unlike anything I've ever been around. But in terms of a radio host, like Greg Papa will shut down a bar.

Greg Papa will party. Greg Papa will have a good time. He is one of those personalities that when people meet, they just love him. Because you don't meet many people like him. And I was thinking the other day, like I haven't met that many Greg Popas.

And it was reported last week, well, he came out with a statement that he was diagnosed with cancer. And he's the play-by-play guy for the 49ers. And for those of you that, you know, I don't know how much you're paying attention to this, but typically in the preseason, unlike basketball and football,

there are no local television broadcasts in football, right? So when you're, you know, if you're a cowboy fan, as the Cowboys Eagles, you don't have a local broadcast. They're, the local broadcasts on the radio. So he's the radio voice of the 49ers.

And he's sick. And he's back. he's battling cancer, he's going to go through, you know, chemo and everything to try to beat it. And obviously, he's going through a rough time. And it really shook me up last week because I love Greg Papa. He's the fucking man. And I text him. It sounded like he's in good spirits, but he's not going to be able to do the football game.

And, you know, speaking of opportunities, one of my best friends, guy that married me and Maria in Nashville earlier this year, a guy that got me into radio. back in 2013 when I got out of football and then we had a radio show for years and then we had a podcast for a long time. Guy Haberman will fill in for Greg and do the television broadcasts for the 49ers for the next three weeks. And I've always said, I think Guy is one of the more talented

young broadcasters in all the sports. I mean, he's already done NBA games for the Warriors when they were in their heyday. He's done professional baseball games. He does now the Big Ten. network. He calls games with Yogi Roth in doing this. So, you know, it's, you're kind of torn because you're so excited for your boy's opportunity. He's calling NFL games on television. I mean, it's not the regular season, but it's a pretty big deal. And yet the reason he's there is because

Greg's sick, who I was looking through my phone. We have pictures. You know, Greg is one of those guys that he's probably one of the rare guys that you could put him in any situation in Northern California. and one, he either find his way out and they'd probably end up having a cocktail by the end of it. And, you know, me and Guy, were hanging out with him at a San Francisco Giants game. And you know the way,

if you've ever seen Oracle Park where the Giants, the baseball team plays, where McCove where you hit it over, there's like that short little section, right? So it's, if you hit it far enough, it flies over because there's not like a long stance. There's a secret bar underneath that area. It's called the Gotham Club.

I never knew it existed. And we were, this was 2019, I think 19. We were hanging out with them. It must have been on like an August or July day. And he's like, let's go to the Gotham Club. And we walk right up.

And I remember, none of us have passes or anything. It's not like we're there with the media. We're just there hanging out. And we basically get up to the front and the guy goes, The Godfather, because that was kind of his, Greg's nickname in the area. And he just lets us in.

And we just kind of hang there for the whole game. game. You can go down to like this little fence area where you can see the field from ground level. You're right there with a cocktail. It's incredible. But I used to hang out with Greg after Warriors games. He used to be the postgame host during the Durant, Steph Curry kind of era, have cocktails in the club after. I just have a lot of fun memories with Greg. He's not dead or anything, but I'm just saying I just, he's just a legendary human who's meant a lot to my life. It's kind of crazy how the world works coming full circle. And I don't. I was the same with Guy, someone he has idolized from a play-by-play standpoint and now filling his

shoes. And there aren't many people that could fill his shoes. But it's just a pretty cool slash powerful moment in this situation. So I'm excited to watch 49er preseason games, which I got to be lying. Or I would be lying if I told you that before this situation. Because most of these preseason games, they bore me. Like they don't, I love this. I love football. Like I can watch Shador Sanders or, you know, if Caleb's playing, I can watch certain situations. But once you get to the position where it's like, you know, Collins going on these takes about the lions and their disorganization, I have a hard time having any judgment with anything preseason. I mean, I really do, especially once you get to like the three's playing.

It's just none of these guys are going to be playing on Sunday. So. But, Watched 49er game. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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At John Middlecoff, at John Middlecoff is the Instagram firing those DMs. Get your questions answered here on this podcast. We will start with Stephen. Question for the mailbag. I'm a Niners fan and my brother is a Rams fan. He seems to think that even if Stafford is out, they will make the playoffs and make a run in the NFC. The only team that could challenge him is the Cardinals.

I know you mentioned being out on Rams if Stafford goes down. Can you please help me bring him back to reality on the impact of Stafford and their likelihood to be good without him? Curious your thoughts on a healthy Niners team versus a Staffordless Rams team as well. Matt Stafford is dramatically better, dramatically better than Jimmy Garaplo, even at 37 years old. So if the drop-off for Jimmy to Matt Stafford is really, really wide.

And I think by far one of the biggest stories in the NFL right now, if Matt Stafford was 100% healthy to start the season, you'd be like they're going to be one of the better teams of the league, he has a herniated disc. His back is messed up. And there is no guarantee that's going to get better. Now, on the bright side, big picture, this is where the Rams get credit.

They said, Matt, we're not signing you to a multi-year contract. We will go year by year. You're probably going to have to take a little less money here. But you're just too old, too much tread on the tires. You're an awesome player, but we've got to go year to year. So if you want out, we'll help you facilitate a trade and go get paid. And he wanted to stay. and they, like they're in it, it would screw them this year a little bit,

but I do not think they can make the playoffs with Jimmy Garoppel. Jimmy Garoplo has been not very good for a while. Plus, the Rams offensive line isn't exactly the mid-90s Cowboys. You kind of got to stay in there and take some hits. And that is not how Jimmy plays football. So I would just be out on the ramps. Not that they're going to be a dumpster fire, but they won 10 games last year.

They won 10 games the last couple years. So I have a hard time seeing them be a 10-win team if Jimmy Garoppel is playing all the games. And this point in time, like, who knows? They can say week one with Stafford, we all got to agree. It's pretty concerning if you're a Rams fan. My question is, as a scout, what did you see from Cam Ward that showed you promise coming out of college? What about hesitation? I've been a Titan fan since I was nine, so it was really cool to finally get a superstar quarterback

the first since Steve McNair. I was a Jake Locker believer, but couldn't stay healthy. Had a moment. Couldn't stay healthy. You had Vince. You had a rough stretch. I would say this. I do think there are some similarities

to his playing style coming out of college to Caleb Williams. Big arm, big time playmaker, not the tallest guy, like Shade Under 6-2, but just a very instinctive playmaker. Now, playing with in the pocket in the construct of the offense is something

that he's going to have to improve on. I've seen some clips and know some people with the Titans. They love the guy, the kid, the mindset, the work ethic, just how much he cares and how hard he's trying right now. So being a young player, you basically got to just soak everything in and work 24-7 in training camp

to try to figure out what's going on. But there's an instinctive element to playing quarterback. And even Caleb, like if Caleb becomes a high- high-end player. He's never going to be Jared Goff. He's got to be a playmaker like Russell Wilson and just find out a way to balance it. And I mean the Russell

Wilson of Seattle. To me there are elements there with Cam Ward. He's a playmaking quarterback. Obviously, you're going to have to make throws from the pocket in big spots, but he's just a natural kind of just making shit happen. So I think he's just really good.

A couple years ago, it was more just like the physical talents, but last year at Miami it was really impressive. I mean, they're defense was a joke. Now, the conference wasn't great. So he's got to, you know, going from the ACC to the NFL big jump, right? Just no different Caleb going from USC to, it was a pretty big jump. There's a lot different playing Arizona, you know, in Washington State than it is playing these guys. But I've seen some of his press conferences. He seems like a really impressive guy. Easy guy to root for. Superstar quarterback. I don't know if I go that far,

but I don't see why he couldn't be a good player in the NFL. Two-part question. Thoughts on YouTube golf. I love it, but I'd rather sit down and watch Bryson, Grant Horvatt, and those guys on YouTube for an hour over watching a whole weekend of a tournament. Second, I'm an Eagles guy, but huge fan of Joe Burrow. Any chance he ever gets out of Cincinnati and wins a Super Bowl, or are we watching another Dan Marino situation? I watch a lot of YouTube golf, so yeah, big fan. The difference is I do like watching professional golf, but I gamble on it every week. I would say when it comes to Joe Burrow, this is a big year.

Now, you know, Colin brought this up and you're seeing this with these guys asked for trades. People ask for trades all the time. Guess who rarely gives a shit, the owner? The GM. It's like, yeah, Miles Garrett demanded a trade. It's like, here, Miles, here's $100 million. That's not the way it works in these other sports.

In basketball, when you demand a trade, you get traded. In baseball, you typically get traded to. But in football, like Joe Burr, could demand a trade. Let's say Joe Burrow throws 50 touchdowns this year and they won nine games, which seems crazy, but let's just in some world, or 10 games and miss the playoffs. He's like, I demand

a trade at the Super Bowl. He goes to Super Bowl like Miles Garrett. He goes on the shows and he says that. I don't think the Bengals would care. I honestly don't think they would do anything. I'm like, cool. We're not trading you. I think it'd be that simple. So I think he might ask for one

in the next 18 months. if it doesn't go well. And I think the Bengals would say, kick rocks. Tough shit. Fair or not. I just think that's, kind of is what it is.

I've been a listener since 17. I grew up in Sacramento, so it was cool, see someone in the area, have a platform. It's been a pleasure. God, like this guy.

I'm just curious if you ever get recognized in public on a consistent basis or a bit more these past few years. If so, do you mind the attention and the interaction.

Yeah, I've been recognized. I'm just bald guy, so I guess easy to point out. I don't mind it at all. I mean, it's, it's an honor to anyone that comes up to me and say they like the podcast, they listen to the podcast, they're a fan of the podcast. That's the whole point I'm doing this for. So yes, it's extremely, extremely cool when that happens, especially if I'm like with someone else.

My God, this guy's pretty cool. Me and Maria were on a walk in Tahoe and someone came up, so what's up? So yeah. Don't mind them at all. I do, though, see if you were, my aren't so few and far between, it has zero impact on, like, how I'm living my life.

I remember telling someone this at Tahoe after we were having some drinks. It's like, I do understand, if you're like Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods or I don't know if like a business, like would Jeff Bezos or Warren Buffett get this? Probably not as much. But like Patrick Mahomes.

Like Patrick Mahomes probably can't just go out and eat a dinner with his wife in Kansas City and just sit at a normal restaurant around other people. Probably just impossible. That does kind of suck. I mean, obviously a lot comes with it, the money, the fame. But you do lose an aspect of your life being able to just live. I remember Roy.

McElroy was telling a story once when he went over to Tiger's house because they lived near each other in Florida and he's like, hey, you want to go get dinner? This was like five years ago. Maybe six, but I mean, Roy was very famous by then, but I mean, Tiger was like Michael Jackson or something. Tiger looked at him like, you mean like out in public?

Like, no, I don't do that. So how I can't. You couldn't even, wouldn't even be able get to the food? So I do understand like Steph Curry, like how does Steph Curry just do a normal human thing? And the reality is they don't really. In terms of public situations. Devante Adams, throw back to my long-ass question.

Devante had some comments today about Travis Hunter. And I don't see how anyone could read his comments and not just go, yeah, of course. This is the whole thing about playing both ways. And even Devante said, can Travis Hunter play both ways? Of course, he's physically talented enough to do it. can you play at a high level and for both ways for a long time? And Devante essentially said, I'm going to give you a cliff note version. Getting injured in the NFL is a 100% guarantee.

100% if you play a position, wide receiver or corner. 100% guarantee you're going to get hurt sometime. And DeVante is like, you basically double your risk if you never come off the field. Because if I'm a wide receiver and I play 60 snaps during the game, well if I play double that 120 or even just an extra 40 my percentage chance of being injured goes way up so the mileage also on my body over the course of a career isn't it just going to shorten your career

I've said this all along and listen he's not maybe how could he be worried about what are you going to look like at 32 years old it's all about how you're playing right now and can he do it right now 100% can he be a starting wide receiver in the NFL Yes. Can he, you know, I don't know, depending on who you talk to that scouted him, like, exactly how to play them. Can you just bring him in on like third and second and long and have him be like an off corner and let his kind of instincts work? Kind of that. You know, that's like his skill set. But can you do it as a rookie 1,000 percent? But like over the course of your career and then this always gets complicated. If it does go well, how do I invest into a player, which would be an astronomical amount of money for? a guy whose percentage chance to get injured is double everyone else.

Like if I pay Jamar Chase, $150 million, the only opportunity Jamar Chase has to get injured when he's playing football is on wide receiver. He doesn't, like on defense, he's on drinking Gatorade. So I, I just agree with Devante's saying. And like Devante saying, I'm rooting for the guy. No, I'm not rooting against him. I hope he does well.

But we have to acknowledge this is impossible to maintain and do this long term if the goal is to play at the highest level and be a superstar and to get paid the most amount of money possible. Enjoy the podcast. Lions missing the playoffs. It actually one of a couple of my future bets I have for this coming year. I would like to hear your thoughts on my favorite bets I've taken so far. Lions to miss the playoffs, 2 to 1. Packers to win the North.

I'm in on you on that one. Plus 250. Colts under 7.5 wins. Minus 110. So I saw today a little fantasy. not a big fantasy guy, but I follow fantasy websites to get NFL information around training camp. Adori Mitchell, now Donnie Mitchell, the wide receiver that the Colts took last year in the second round from Texas Mitchell. I was pretty high on him last year than obviously the Colts offense

fell apart. I guess he just destroyed the Ravens and joint practices. He's a really, really talented player. Now, I think you guys that are way deeper into fantasy than me know that taking talented wide receivers with weird quarterback situations is very risky. But if they're able to figure it out between these two guys, you know, I think Anthony Richardson's had some moments, Daniel Jones, who knows if he has or not. We're going to find out over the next couple weeks. Anthony Richardson, I think, starting this first preseason game. But regardless, I think the Colts could be okay.

Ten wins, probably not, but could they get to eight and nine? I would say, yeah. They definitely have enough talent on their team if their quarterback operation is just okay. You got Tyler Warren. You got Jonathan Taylor. If Mitchell's good. Donnie Mitchell, I think his name is. Falcons over seven and a half wins.

I just couldn't bet on the Falcons. The Rams have missed the playoffs plus 150. I think that is definitely a decent bet right now. If Stafford is in major question mark. I don't think that's crazy at all. Bills under 11.5 wins. I think bills are good. I would pick the bills to win 12, 13 games every single year

until Josh Allen falls off a cliff. I heard you list the top defensive coordinators and felt like Spags got snubbed. Do you consider him a top-tier defense? I do. Sometimes when I'm just ranting and raving, you forget about a guy. Obviously, he's one of the best coordinators in the league. Spags, Fangio, Damico, Sala, Mike McDonald. I mean, there's a short list, Brian Flores, of just elite defensive minds.

Belichick, who's not in the NFL, but... What era of quarterbacks would you consider the best era ever? I think if you're older, you feel pretty confident about saying, well, I grew up on Marino, Elway, and Joe freaking Montana. Like, that's hard to beat. I grew up on Steve Young, Breffar of Troy Aikman. Pretty good. I do think the stretch of Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Aaron Rogers with like Drew Breeze and Rufferzberger and Philip Rivers. I mean, that's, that was pretty good stretch.

Pretty hard to beat. If Tom Brady's the best quarterback of all time, Peyton Manning is considered a top five guy of all time. You could make the argument, Rogers is a top five guy right there, at least top six, seven. You know, Drew Breeze is a top 15 quarterback. I think Rathesberger, when he was on,

was as good as anybody I've ever seen. So I think that run from like early 2000s to like 2015. Pretty freaking good. We're on a pretty good one right now with the top crew of guys. I think it's just cyclical. Every decade plus, you kind of get a new crew of guys that kind of separate from the pack. And that was the group I grew up on was Steve Young,

was Brett Farv and Troy Aikman. But it was really, I mean, Brett Farv was the best of that group. And Steve was damn good, too. Troy was just on such a good team and was a really good player. But I think when you look around the totality of other quarterbacks in that area, it might not be as great as it was now. Question for the pod about staffer's injury. Kind of pissed this is coming up now when just a few months ago

that he was complaining about more guaranteed money. Wonder if Kelly, and he knew it and just wanted to squeeze the last remaining money that they could. Maybe an MRI doesn't pick up back. I'm not a doctor and know how all that stuff works, but to sign a contract, you get a physical, even if you're on the team, typically. Especially in a situation like that. Was he a free agent? I guess he technically was.

and maybe he didn't get a physical. But they, I mean, he was around them. Did he tweak his back somewhere after the season? Is this something that came up? I'd also say, you know, part of business, especially in a business like this, is you get as much money until they say there's no money left. You know, when you hear players talk,

they go, I'm not worried about the salary cap. I don't, that's not my problem. I heard Trent Williams say that the other day. It was like, I don't even factor in the salary cap when I'm worrying about my salary. That is not my problem. I think Matt Stafford would go, not my problem,

who you're paying how. But based on what I've done for this franchise, even if my back is a little tweaked, even if he fucked him, that's where McVeigh and Les would get credit. Because clearly, if they knew Matt Stafford had a bad back, they just would have traded him. But even if he kind of knew,

like, oh, my back's acting weird. You got to give them credit for like, listen, listen, buddy, we're going no more than one year. This is a year by year thing. So I do stand by like, that was shrewd business because it would have been pretty easy

to be like, oh, we love you, Matt, we'll give you a couple years. Most teams would have done. Most owners would have done. My question is about scouts and the GM. As a former scout, how much is the final draft board is controlled by the GM

versus the intel gathered by the scouting team? I'm curious to know how much influence the scouting team has on building NFL rosters. Well, they have a lot because they bring all the information. So most of the information that the coaches and the GM use once they meet kids at the

Combine, at All-Star Games, and then bring them in the facility is based on that information and all the details about the person that the scout has gathered. So that information is extremely important. And it's not like, you know, why don't, why doesn't AI just replace them? I'm just using an example. Because it's not public information. Like, you have to go to the school to get the information. And so there is a value there.

And depending on the team, certain scouts and certain personnel departments have more power than others. There are a lot of teams where the coach, and if the coach has a lot of juice, that means his staff has a lot of juice. So a lot of times, the draft board will be somewhat set, you know, early-ish April. Then the coaching staff gets very involved. and they got takes. Well, why do they got takes? Because unlike the scouting staff, who has evaluated these guys for years, right?

If you have the SEC, you have watched certain players since they were freshmen. So you know the player. And if you're watching a star player, like if you were going into Ohio State last year, if you're an assistant GM or a college scouting director,

and you hit Ohio State and Alabama, who do you think you asked, people about. Caleb Downs. So you have been accumulating information on guys that are going to get drafted in a year or two right now. You don't think all these scouts are talking to the Brian Hartline and the head coach. So man, tell me about Jeremiah Smith, even though he's two years away. So you're just gathering information. And most kids is good, but who knows? You never know, it could be bad. It could just be like, yeah, we're working through some things, pretty immature young guy. and then by their junior year they're matured.

But you have a running diary about them. Well, the coaches get involved. And what do they do? Let me get Kirby on the phone. Let me get my boy Sark on the phone. Let me get position coaches. And they call these guys and they're like, I'm telling you, my best friend from college is the D-line coach at Oregon.

And he told me, my coach, this guy is, and that's where kind of can shift. Belichick was notorious for this. The scouting staff would set the board, and then the draft would come, and the draft board would be completely different. I mean, look at the scouts. I mean, they're all over the league running teams. They're all high-level guys.

Yet Bill had all these bad drafts. Well, why? Because Bill wasn't listening to anybody. I think sometimes a GM wants to listen to a scouting staff, but the coach has so much juice because the coach is making three. If you're a GM and you're making $5 million, which is an incredible job, great amount of money. Well, what if your coach is making $14?

You think when push comes a shove and you're in an argument a day before the draft you're trying to set the board with the coach and the owner, coach is like, well, I talk to my boy, you know, Sharon Moore or Dabo gave me a call the other day and he said that you got to be careful with this guy or it's usually the opposite. It's usually something positive. It's like he said he loves this guy. Well, of course he does because the higher that guy gets drafted, the better it looks for him. So that's where I think things get way crazy.

We're in basketball and baseball for the most part. In baseball, no one's telling the GM what to do. No one's telling Billy Bean, Andrew Friedman, any of these guys. They run the show. In basketball, the GMs have a lot of juice. In football, the coach gets so involved because the draft process is so long, and they start watching guys.

And they're like, you know, Stephen A. or Colin, they got takes. if you had to save your life to save your life you can rotate them as you please one game in their prime all things equal who is your choice A Sequin and AP B Chris Johnson and LT

C Derek Henry and Marshall Falk D CMC and Jerome Bettis I think the worst player Here's the thing with the running back Like if you give me You know Sequan and Adrian Peterson

I need a little Thunder and Lightning So like Derek Henry and Marshall Falk Would be pretty unreal Chris Johnson And La Danyan Thomason Like I would never take Ledany and Tomlinson off the field

CMC and Jerome Bettis That's a little like It's a little left right You know you got the big power back I probably just go Derek Henry and Marshall Falk I mean Marshall Falk's one of the greatest players in the history of the league and Derek Henry is going to be a first ballot hallfamer.

I do think CMC and Jerome Bettis both healthy in their prime would do some damage. Sequin and Adrian Peterson kind of similar players. Elite between the tackles, high-end speed, just awesome, toting the rock.

Neither guy, especially Adrian Peterson's not good in pass protection. Sequin, when he tries, is pretty good. Not great past catchers. Adrian Peterson had bad hands. So for two guys that, I mean, Adrian is going to be Hall of Famer. Sequin, if he stays healthy for a couple years, it's going to be Hall of Famer. Definitely a Hall of Fame level player. I don't know if he can put up the numbers, but that one sounds great on paper, but in theory,

I'd probably go Derek Henry and Marshall Falk. Okay, last question. We went on this. Of course it's about Jerry. Cowboy fan. Far from a Jerry fan, but are we really really? really going to act like Jerry hasn't offered Micah a contract to make him the highest paid non-quarterback? Also, last season, Micah was saying he doesn't want to be the highest paid. He wants

to be able to build a team. So which is it? Sounds like his agent has taken over and wants his cut. My prediction, $45 million for your extension and the media talks about how Jerry overpaid from Micah within five minutes of the news. Obviously, there's a lot going on here. I think it's pretty simple that in any line of business, right, there are different people that do different roles on this podcast. I don't cut up my social clips. I don't even know how to do that. I don't load the podcast to the feed. I don't, I'm not pressing the button and cutting it up and putting it on YouTube. We got a team. We got a bunch of guys kicking ass and taking names. Just like in all your industries. Whatever you do, you probably work with other people that do other

things. And if you're an individual and you pay someone to do something and I'm telling you like, hey, we need you to sign this contract. And I go, let's use an example. I don't have an agent or a lawyer that negotiates my contracts. I guess if I had a big question, I would, I could reach out to somebody. But for the most part, if like, hey, we, we got to put together this contract for you to do these shows with Coward on Fox Sports, here it is. And I say, actually, could you send it to my lawyer or my agent or whatever, right? I pay that guy to look over the contract. And Jerry won't call the guy that looks over the contract.

It's literally his job. It's why Micah Parsons pays him. Now, if it was an outlier situation, like no one in the NFL does this. Like, what's going on here, Micah? Literally, everyone does this beside a couple guys here and there throughout the years. It is a standard process. That has been the way that they have signed other players. has worked through their agent.

So when Jerry tries to do a deal straight up with Micah Parsons, you could argue it's a little unfair. Jerry's done a cajillion deals in his life, right? Stadium deals, player contracts, you name it. Oil deals, buying teams. He's a deal maker. Like, when you think of Jerry Jones, you think a guy that does deals.

Micah Parsons is a pass rusher, not a deal maker. Like, Micah Parsons has that podcast on Bleacher report, right? Do you think Micah Parsons did that deal? Of course not. His marketing team or his agent did it all. Set it all up. And then they sent him the equipment, I mean, with a guy setting it all up. Maybe Mike already had it set up. But like, you think he negotiated the details of that contract? No, it's not his job. So he pays people to do that. So it's like, like we're going to live this weekend. Me and Coward. $200 million Phil got the 150 DJ and

Bryson 300 Rom got they had a manager an agent or a lawyer negotiate the deal and then they paid him whatever maybe million dollar flat fee

or whatever it was but like that was the guy's job so my issue with this whole situation is like if you want to get a deal done and you know Mike is like you've got to go through this guy this I'm paying him to do this for me

and Jerry won't like what are we doing what's the point of all this and I get Jerry's position if this guy did something to piss you off I'm not privy to know if that happened or not but it's to be mad at Micah for not wanting to talk with Jerry

when Jerry knows that he's not even running point on this because the agent is it all seems like a waste of time I also think we get a little caught up with numbers getting thrown around by NFL reporters like this guy wants 40 this guy wants 45 like who knows but I do know that the agent, of course he wants a cut.

That's literally his business is to do big deals and get a cut. The agent doesn't care about the salary cap, doesn't give a shit. And most players, and listen, it's easy for Mike and say, I bet he doesn't care either. I don't even blame him. It's not his problem. That's Jerry's problem. But this situation just feels like it's getting a little exhausting, honestly.

Like, just can't these guys figure it out. The volume. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what?

We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick.

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