The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Should the Ravens fire John Harbaugh, Chiefs games are rigged, and the sky is falling in Philly

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

John answers all of your questions from the future of John Harbaugh in Baltimore, to Kansas City always getting calls, to why the sky is falling for the Eagles when they lose a game or two, but that's never the case for Buffalo, and much more in this episode's massive mailbag segment.  Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Talking anything that you hit me with. and we're going to do about an hour-long podcast to just taking questions, interacting with the people. This is the people show. This is the Instagram DM show, actually. That's really what it is. So if you guys listen on Collins' feed,

make sure you subscribe to three and out just so you never miss a thing because you never know we're going to have podcasts, which is literally every day. And let's dive right in. I feel like I'm going insane. People keep saying Jordan Love makes poor decisions.

Since week 10 of 2023, He has 56 touchdowns and 16 interceptions. As a 90s football guy who grew up watching Farm, don't you find that criticism laughable? I&Ts have been made famous by the internet. Who cares? Throw touchdowns and win games. While I agree, I mean, those numbers are better than,

if you would have said what, I don't even know it would have to put in context, but I don't think I would have guessed his ratio is better than 30. 13 or 3 to 1, right? Because what's 16 times 2 is 32 is 48? So he has a better interception and touchdown ratio since he really started playing well. I mean, I do think it's fair to start middle to late of that season. So you're cooking the books a little bit, but you could argue early on in 2023 when he wasn't playing well.

If I remember correctly, it was before the buy. Because I remember Gutikins that year was like the buy must have been around like game six or seven. Because he's like, you know, he's got about 10 games left. We're going to have to make a tough decision this offseason. It's like, damn. But they were kind of right because the contract situation and they've won a lot of games with them. I think it's more, and I said this about Bo Nix and him.

Obviously, he's more accomplished than Bo Nix and he's won a playoff game. It's the trust factor that the head coach, who also happens to be the play caller, has in the player. So I think it's more that. And listen, I'm a Jordan Love fan. I mean, he's my type player with the traits. but the difference of like Fav in the 90s, there was a little more wow and pizzazz behind his game.

And maybe it's in defense of Jordan, what he's being asked and coach to do, it's kind of forced him to be a little robotic. But I do believe there is more, I don't know, explosive playmaking in there. Because like you said, he is producing. And the teams, I don't want to say in a rut, but they definitely are

they have a lot more than is being shown now. We saw early in the season. I mean, when they're on, they're really, really good. But I'm still bullish on the Packers. Mailback question. This is from Burke. Huge Ravens fan. Rough year. Do you think there is any shot we turn this around when Lamar

and crew are healthier and make a second half run? Our schedule lightens up, but not sure if we have dug too big a hole. And if you don't make the playoffs, is it time to part ways with John Harbaugh? Let's start with the latter part of that question. Because I was thinking about this,

John Harbaugh will come up in this next question. I think if you're going to replace, and I said this last year about Tomlin, you know, when the Eagles fired Andy Reid, this is the only situation I've had intimate knowledge because I was there, and then actually once Chip came in, couple months later I was gone, but I saw it.

And they're like, we're going to fire Andy Reid. But who'd they go after? They went after Bill O'Brien, who was at Penn State, and declined. He'd only been there a year. And they went after Chip Kelly. So like, clearly, and I wasn't a part of the hiring process. But they had a specific or a couple specific individuals that they went, listen. If we're going to fire one of the most successful, I think he probably is,

I guess, Siriani now because of the Super Bowl. actually two of them, but, well, one win. You know what I mean. We better know who's replacing him. So it's like, I'm going to fire John Harbaugh because he had a crappy season because there was a bunch of injuries. Who am I replacing him with? Because I can't just fire John Harbaugh and go on a search. Like, I can't do that.

Because the chances that, you know, for every John Harbaugh, there's a lot of Aaron Glens. There's a lot of Jonathan Gannons. There's a lot of, this ain't working. and I think that complicates the situation because you look one this I'm going to get into this topic probably over the next couple weeks I think this is going to be one of the craziest off seasons in the history of football when you look at college football I mean Penn State and Florida and if they fired Norville Florida State these are type jobs that give you $80 million contracts again don't know if it's true it was reported that Brian Callahan signed a year $15 million deal.

James Franklin just fired. He's making 10. Kurt Signetti's at Indiana making 8. So I do think, you know, Joe Brady, it's like, do you want the Arizona Cardinals job with no quarterback, or do you want to be the head coach at Florida? Here's a six-year $60 million. And you're the boss. Now, you can be like, well, college football, I don't know, it's not that bad.

I'm watching these games on Saturday. It looks pretty badass, and they're getting paid premiums. So I think there's just a lot of moving parts. I think you cannot fire John Harbaugh unless you go. This is where my Mike Tomlin thing was last year. It's like, hey, now's your time to take your swing on Ben Johnson. Like, you can just hire Ben Johnson. Now, it's also risky, but like, no one would have faulted you for doing that.

And Mike would have got a fresh start wherever, right? Hell, he'd probably be at the Jets and they'd be winning. But I just don't think you can fire him willy-nilly and, like, let's go campus the landscape. I don't think you can do that. I think you guys are in a little trouble. you'll definitely win some games if Lamar comes back healthy but you start four games under you have a stretch where you go like six and two

let's just say you go six and two over your next eight games at one and five think about what your record is six wins plus one seven two plus five is seven you only get back to 500 so it's just it's really really difficult and I'd be stunned given the way their defense is playing if they go on a six and two stretch so if you went five and three you're still under 500 because you would be, what would that be?

Five, if you went five and three, you'd be six and eight. Getting texts about the guy that just cleared out my tree. My neighbor's tree fell. It honestly made me feel good about humanity. We had this, they call it microbursts. I think it was a tornado. His tree fell over my fence through my phycuses. Those phycus trees are tough.

None of them snapped into my backyard. And I was like, I guess me and my. Maria, I'm like, I don't really know. I guess I just go over to his house. And it wasn't like my neighbor. It was behind me, so I had to go like around the block. And I got in my car once the storm kind of really settled down to stop raining. And he was pulling up to my house. And I was like, you know what? I just kind of put a smile on my face. But now, granted, he was older gentleman who I think is doing pretty well because he was teaching a class today. He had to say he had to go to Tucson to teach a commercial real estate class. He's wearing an Augustine National hat. So he must be

I just kind of scouted him really briefly. I was like, this guy might be pretty successful. But he was just a high-level guy. And it's just, you know, I was like, I bet knock on the door, guy's going to argue, it's not his fault, make me pay, and it wasn't like that at all.

So it's like, why do I always assume the negative when there's just a lot of positivity out there? Question for the back. Now that the Titans have fired their coach, what would it take for them to trade for someone like John Harbaugh that might need a fresh start? I would say that if you're the Titans,

in what world would John Harbaugh be interested in that job? So to me, and I said the same thing for Tomlin forever, they're not leaving the Ravens or the Steelers. You're going to have to fire them. Sean Payton was like, this sucks, I quit. At the end of the day, they're the Saints, right? When you work for the Steelers, when you work for the Ravens, when you work for the Eagles, you don't force a trade.

That's not the way you make them fire you. Because the job, the infrastructure, the financial backing, it's all there. You don't leave. So I have a hard time seeing John Harbaugh get traded. I really do. I think he'd be more likely double middle fingers fire me and then I'll go get the job. Assuming that Barganzi and Brinker, it is kind of a weird setup. I had a really close friend that almost joined up with him last year.

And he was comfortable with the setup. He likes Borganzi a lot. But I clicked on the day at the gym, like that press conference from yesterday. and it's like the president, but who is a scout and has a scouting background and understands the cap over the GM. It's just kind of bizarre. So I actually have a buddy that works for the staff that has been some dysfunctional other places and said this place is kind of crazy. And it's not like I'm defending what just went on with Brian Callahan. I've never met Brian Callahan.

And he clearly wasn't good. I just don't think that John Harbaugh He's like, yeah, I'll just go to the Titans After working with Ozzy, Steve Boshati, and Eric Dacosta So I think the other thing is Eric DeCost and John Harbaugh Very, very close friends Now this is a cold business And business is cold in general

You know, you're closest friends, I don't care who you are Things can change really quick When job stability, financial stability, and money is on the line So I would never say never about a firing for sure. But trade to the Titans. I can't see that. Like I don't see John Harbaugh unless he just wants to go to a retirement area,

like being interested in like the Arizona Cardinals. Okay? He's going to work from Michael Bidwell. I just, I, here's the thing. What's make these guys so crazy is John Harbaugh has made so much money over the last decade plus. Like really once he hit its stride, I mean, he's probably been making $10 plus million. for well over a decade. I think he makes like $15 to $18 million now.

John Harbaal works like 80-hour weeks. So for over half the year, he doesn't even have time to spend that money if he wanted to do. And even if his wife is an aggressive spender, you can't blow that type of money, especially like once your house is paid off and stuff. Like, what are they really doing? Like, he could take a deep breath,

but that's not really how the Harbaas are wired who's got it better than us. A lot of people beside the Ravens, that's for sure. What are your thoughts on the U-TEP study suggesting that during the NFL playoffs, penalties against opposing defenses of the chiefs were significantly more likely to result in first downs, cover more yardage, and fall in subjective categories

like roughing the passer and pass interference. Gotta say it's frustrating to see Mahomes and Kelsey talk shit to other players knowing they'll get the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, I mean, I don't think they think like that. I mean, I hear what you're saying. I didn't see the study. Obviously, they've gotten some good breaks. I also think the talented get better breaks, right?

I think the best always get the better breaks. You know, it works like that in business. You know, it definitely works like that in sports. Like Michael Jordan gets more calls than most players. So did Kobe Bryant. So does LeBron James. Warriors fans have been bitching for Steph forever. It doesn't think he gets enough calls.

But, like, you know, Derek Jeter's going to get the benefit of the doubt on an outside pitch. Called a ball, not a strike. kind of the way the world works. So it's like they've kind of earned that. It doesn't bother me. And I don't think they've won Super Bowls or gone to the Super Bowl because of the referees. Have there been individual situations that were BS for sure? Do I think it's insane that Patrick Mahomes when he goes out of bounds and then he cuts it back on a run and the guy stops?

That shouldn't be allowed. That should be penalized. But like, yeah, I mean, I don't get caught up as much on the referees. Again, I mean, if I'm gambling on it, I'll freak out. but I just think we could, the referees have been bad in officials in sports and umpires in baseball for the majority of my adult life. And if you're just going to go into a game wanting to just hate those guys, you easily can. And it just can really bother you.

Like there's a human element to sports and these guys are, their emotions get involved, whether it's Kelsey and Mahomes or whether it's, It's the Warriors. I mean, the amount of times I have seen NBA players teed up for swearing. It's like, guys, this is not a youth league pickup hoops here. This is a billion-dollar industry with a lot of money in the line. We're not teaching life lessons here. We're trying to win chips and make cash.

And that's always really bothered me. It's like, yeah, these are grown men. They're going to swear. Mailback question. I'd be curious to hear how you think about growing your pod from a business standpoint. How closely do you monitor the numbers, engagement video to video, or even topic to topic? For example, Colin mentioned he is looking at how every segment performs on the hurt. How much, if at all, does the team around you influence suggest inform your upload schedule,

content topics, and strategy? Would you ever want to manage a network of your own like the volume? Or do you prefer just doing your own thing on camera? I would say two things that I closely monitor, that I do on a daily basis. is the content, what I'm going to talk about, which you're looking at the editor-in-chief here. So we have a text thread. We got things flying around, different ideas, different topics. And, you know, I am not running a TV show here.

So you're not going to hear the Dallas Cowboys leading my show seven, eight months a year. That's just not going to happen. Now, luckily, because of the medium I'm in, I don't necessarily need to. I try to talk about things that I'm fired up on. But I also understand the business I've been doing this for, well over a decade in radio and podcasts, especially now with the influence of YouTube. Like, I'm not going to lead three shows a week with the Jags, you know, or the lead with the Titans. So I have a pretty good idea of what works and what doesn't.

I mean, the numbers kind of speak for themselves. But then there are things that happen. Like I did a, I talked about Mark Sanchez, I think like a week ago, and we cut a social video, and it was massive. I mean, it was as big of a social video as we've ever done. and listen, I'm not that big, like, I understand the value of social videos and social content,

whether it's YouTube shorts, Instagram reels, you know, Twitter, a little blasts. But that's not paying for my kid to go to private school. It's not generating, unless there's specific content we do for a sponsor. Like, it's not making any money. So, but, like, when you see big numbers, you're like, oh, people are into that.

And we've been talking about that for a while is like, and I'm a big proponent of this, is like, this show is not about the exes and nos of football. I'm not diving deep on the running strategy of the Arizona Cardinals, you know, second down offense. I would go under. Like, that wouldn't work. We couldn't build a business off that. But I also like when things work and when they don't work, and I understand, like, why is Mark Sanchez story huge?

Because it's a story that everyone's going to have an opinion on. my wife, my college roommate was texting me about it. He had a pretty, he's a Mission Viejo guy and actually kind of knows Mark. But it's just like, it's just kind of a universal story. And I got to do a better job of incorporating, you know, like when everyone, and I sometimes I push back of like, what is everyone talking about on social? Because I think that social media has been the downfall of a lot of people that I would say 15, 20 years ago that I would have viewed as successful people in the media.

And I think it's rotted their brain. And they don't understand what's good. bad because they just live on the apps. And I try not to, you know, as counterproductive as that may sound, given the business I'm in, I'm adamant and I've become so numb to it. I'm pretty good at separating like, yeah, that doesn't even matter. But I do think it's pretty clear when topics are pretty hot. And there's a, you know, a human element to that people enjoy and people, you know, enjoy my

opinion on it. So it's like, I can talk about Patrick Mahomes' performance or, you know, a Max Crosby trade. He didn't get traded. I'm just using a hypothetical. He probably should. But like, till I'm blue and if, I can do that with my eyes close. Like, that's, that's my bread and butter. But I'm also a normal human being that just does normal shit and has normal conversations

about normal things. And I got to do a better job about incorporating that type stuff. And then obviously, you know, the lifeblood of what I do, like, you hear a college coach, what's the lifeblood of what you do. He's like, recruiting. Well, it's my partners, the advertisers. So I'm very, very involved in that with our sales team, with our group, and I take it very, very seriously. So I would say the lifeblood of me is the content I'm going to talk about it on a weekly.

And obviously during season, it's a lot of game reaction. And, you know, it's Ray Lewis Monday through Friday. You pay me Monday through Saturday, Sundays are for free. Like, you kind of pay me for the six months that aren't the NFL season. You know, the season is just a reactionary. If you can't do good stuff in the middle of October, you know, I might as well just close up shop. But I would say content and ads or my bread and butter. When it comes to numbers, like, I don't spend too much time.

I obviously look and am dialed in, but I'm not overly aggressive with that type stuff. You know, Colin does a television show. So like segments on television, they get people to. stay around. It's a little different than this, I would say. That's why when me and him do a podcast, we'll just talk about whatever going on in the NFL. There's no rhyme or reason. There were games that we wouldn't hit in the, in, if we were doing a television show, that on podcast it doesn't matter, as long as it's interesting. And I would say my one philosophy is that I just try to talk about things that I'm interested

in. I don't fake anything. Like, I'm not doing some of these TV shows where I have to pretend to care. If I don't care, I won't talk about it. it. I mean, it's just, it's a pretty easy formula for me. And as I've gotten older, I just realize there are things I just don't care about on a given day. Like, I'm just not going to talk about it because I truly don't care. But if I get enough people ask me about it, I'm like, okay, I didn't care that much about Jonathan Gannon slapping DeMarcato. But then that's a good, example of a lot of people talking about it. People are asking me about it. I'm like, okay, let's talk about it. Today's show is brought to you by our new presenting sponsor Hard Rock

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Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And, oh, we were thinking, I'm originally, calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was...

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Listen to How Hard Can It Be with Diana Maria Riva as part of my Cultura podcast network available on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Regarding your Titans ran on Monday, I felt a bit compelled to respond on behalf of the fan base. Firing Variable was a polarizing decision, but one that I had that made some football sense. Will Levis had shown some legit flashes in 23.

And Vrable had gone 6 and 18 in his last. last 24 with low-skilled buddies commanding a pitiful offense. Back then, it truly did feel like change was needed. Callahan was certainly not an improvement, and I look forward to the team getting the next higher right, but I can't be too bitter about wanting to pivot to a younger offensive mind. All that said, who do you see as the right fit? But this is the thing with a bad organization.

Like, John Harbaugh has gone through bad times. Mike Tomlin I know they technically never had a losing records but clearly he's had some teams that weren't that good right and when you know you have something good you go we're going to stand by you and yeah

force Mike Grable to fire his coach now I don't know I have all the behind the scenes information if he goes I'm not firing him you go yeah okay we're going to have issues but the big reason everyone reported that they fired him is like he wasn't super happy all the time

and inclusive. And like you said, he was losing. It's a production-based business. But you're not doing better than that. Like, look at the other guys that he replaced. Mike Mularky? Like, look at some of the coaches in, uh, over the past decade that you've had run your franchise. They're an embarrassment. And yeah, Mike hit a rough skid. And he, he had to go with Will Levis. I mean, who loved Will Levis? Ran Carthin. Will Levis stink. But I hear you. I mean, it's not as black and white maybe as I made it out to be. But it's pretty clear even when it happened.

And I think a lot of us that aren't too close to the sun went, that seems a little crazy to me. You're going to fire him for Brian Callahan, who wasn't even calling plays. That was my point. You hired him, you know, this is Mike McDaniels thing. He's not the play caller. So at least when you're getting a play caller

and you hire him as your head coach like Liam Cohen, you know he's going to call the place because you've seen him call the place. We didn't know if Mike or Zach Taylor could call the place. With UCLA winning back-to-back games, is it more of an indictment on how bad DeShon Foster was or is it just the team playing well for the interim? If you Google Tim Skipper,

who I worked with at Fresno State for two years, Tim Skipper is one of the best coaches I've ever been around. His command of the players is elite. Now, not shocking. His dad decades in the NFL as a coach. His brother decades in the NFL as a coach. His brother is currently the running back coach for the Buffalo Bills. James Cook, you ever heard of him?

Doing pretty well. And those guys have been around football their entire life. Tim Skipper was a star middle linebacker at Fresno State. His brother was a star running back at Fresno State. Those guys are football men. and when you're just a player and then you kind of get into coaching and all of a sudden you're the head coach

Tim Skipper has been an assistant coach from everywhere from Sack State to Fresno State to the University of Florida he's seen it all NFL players from the first round to the seventh round coordinators that are now in the NFL in college football head coaches

I mean he played with Lane Kiffin worked for Pat Hill, work for Jim McElain work for Jeff Tedford So his experience level, and then last year he was, because Jeff Tedford quit in the summer, he got to be the head coach for a year on a staff that he didn't hire any of them, and he just had to run it. And at one point in time, I think they were like six and three, or maybe they were five and three, they had some injuries, and they finished 500.

But it's one, it's hard to win at Fresno State. He's getting his players post. Tim Skippers has a lot more experience. Like he's seen how to operate 10 different type team meetings. Good teams, bad teams, and the middle teams, teams that need a boost, knows how to run a practice. So the experience, and Deshawn Foster is like, I think Deshaun said this, like he's like a third or four Skipper brother. Because his dad, Tim Skipper's dad, or maybe was Skipper's brother, coached him at UCLA, I forget. It might have been his brother.

But he knows the family really well. Like, Tim is very tight with Deshaun Foster. But in terms of who can coach better, like, it's not even fair. there's no way he could know how to do everything as well as Tim Skipper. It's literally impossible. It doesn't mean if he had been an assistant for 10 more years, couldn't have figured it out. But right now in 2025, it's not a fair fight.

So I think there's an experience level in coaching football that can't be duplicated. It really can't. Some guys, like Vrable is a good example. You know, Vrable played for a long time in the NFL. And the way he played in the NFL was a lot like a coach, right? He was working hand in hand with Belichick from Romeo Crenel to some of those guys. So his teaching as a player, so by the time he gets into coaching in his late 30s, early 40s, he had a unique background that way.

And he started at the bottom. He just went right to Ohio State, started working in the gutter and kind of worked his way up. Position coach, defensive coordinator. Like, it took a little while. Deshawn Foster, like, went from first base to, home plate pretty quick and clearly was over his head. Do you think the Falcons are slowing Pennix growth by running almost their entire offense out of the pistol? I like it as part of the offense, but they used it the entire game. It came up Monday night during the broadcast when

Arloski said they're mainly doing it because Bijan feels like he gets a lot better vision. Thoughts. Well, Bejohn's a better player. So if Bejon goes coach, I like being in the shot or I like being in the pistol because it allows me to see more. Penix ain't Peyton. So if Pennix goes, well, hey, coach, I'd rather do this than that. You're going with Bejan Robinson. And he busts 80-yard runs. He's going to get the benefit for the doubt.

At the end of the day, production-based business, and the guy's produced at the highest level who happens to be your best player, you've got to got to figure it out around him. Now, over time, I think you work with them both, but I have a hard time. arguing if Bejohn says I have better vision on those plays, not doing those plays. Because he's so good, it's like, okay, it runs coming. Stop me. You probably won't.

In your opinion, why is losing in football so much more gut-wrenching than losing in other sports? Our teams lose all the time in hockey, basketball, and baseball, and we move on. But in football, it is much more devastating in the scars of Super Bowl or playoff losses linger forever. there's only one game a week baby football's greatest asset is scarcity and in these other sports in baseball you can have weeks where you literally play

every day you play over and over and over and over so just by the nature of the sport an individual game is devalue it's like when you you know hear the you know 162 game season

so if you go on a 10 game winning streak it's like winning one game in football. If you go on a 20-game winning streak, it's like winning back-to-back football games. In basketball, if you win 10 straight games, do the math. I mean, it's like winning two games in football. So I think part of it is the build-up of a football game. You know, let's face it, we all think it's pretty crazy to play these Thursday night games because you basically don't get to practice. LeBron James teams haven't practiced in the regular season in a decade. In football, it's, you know, beside the Thursday night game, there is not a team

in the league that doesn't practice Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. Even when you have injuries in the regular season, you are practicing Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. The whole sport is built around practicing way more than you're playing. It's what makes the games, like, if you don't try hard in the games, like, they're the only fun part. I only made it to high school football. But everything about football beside the game kind of sucks like you gotta be a sicko

you know like Peyton or you know Jerry Rice or some of these guys are like I love to practice most guys you meet they're like yeah I just I knew I needed it to get ready but like I love the games

practice especially back in the double days you know era you're like I don't know if I love just double days and 110 that's not really what I'm looking forward to but you walk out of the tunnel whether it's a high school game, whether it's a college game,

whether it's an NFL game. I've never played in the NFL. I can't imagine a lot of those guys. There's a little, there's also, there's an anxiety behind it, there's a little kid feeling behind it, and there's just nothing like that feeling of making a play,

making a block or whatever in the sport in an actual game. And it's really meaningful. That's why scoring a touchdown is a really big deal. Shooting a three-point shot or hitting a home run, like just isn't that big a deal if you're a good player. You have a defining moment in your scouting career.

Did you ever scout a guy you were high on, but everyone else said you were wrong? You know, for a couple years, as the in-house guy, I had some ideas and takes. I don't know if they really cared what they were. And then I only did truly, you know,

I went on the road, some little schools. They threw me a couple, I would say slivers when I was working in the office. And then my third year, I got the actual West Coast, which was the Pac-12, the Mountain West. Colorado at the time who they would have been in the Pact 12

but I'm trying to think U-TEP I had a pretty big area I would say twofold one I'll never forget watching Trent Richardson in college and everyone and again no one will remember this no one will believe me

but I was like I don't think this guy's that good and I remember hearing people like no he's best running back in the class I just remember thinking but there was Andrew Sendejo that played for a long time my second year, I had this league called the UFL. And yeah, I just said, this Andrew Sodeo guy could play. And Lewis Riddick, who was our pro director at the time, kind of laughed at me.

Andrew Sadeo just went on to have a 10-year career. I do remember one time Tyler Clutz, who wasn't even in the system for the Eagles, because he was like a 220-pound defensive end. He went to the UFL, he became a fullback, Then he went to the NFL. He started for the Cowboys. And I remember in the U.S.L when people were working him out, and I looked at Howie and I said,

I will give up my year's salary, which at the time was like $45,000. If this guy makes it in the NFL. And I'm pretty sure the Cowboys signed him like a week later. And my cousin played with Tyler Collette at Frisional State. I just, the guy changed positions and didn't think it was going to work, and it kind of did. I think he played for the Bears too.

I mean, you played in the NFL for a minute. Charger fan. I haven't given up on the season by any means, especially with the guys coming back, I think we can at least win a playoff game. Maybe more. However, the future, am I biased thinking the Chargers have one of the best five-year outlooks in the AFC? Top five quarterback, two all-pro tackles, assuming Slater comes back and plays well again. When you have major injuries, I think you never know at this point in time. I would say you got all, that's pretty good. Really good defense, great coaches. Yeah, I would say I would feel pretty good

about my five-year outlook. This year could be pretty hit or miss. I mean, they had to pull game out of you know what to just beat the dolphins. And I just, you're missing that many players. To me, it's the two tackles and the running backs. Like, it's one thing to lose one of the two running backs. You lose both Najee and Hampton. You gave Najee $10 million. He drafted Hampton in the first round.

And Slater and Altargan. I don't care who you are. I know they're throwing it a lot more now, but we know Jim Harbaugh wants to call run plays. I know he's on the play call. but telling Greg to do it. So, yeah, man, I was impressed. I would say this, if they get somewhat healthy, you know, Khalil Mack comes back,

Joel comes back, Hampton comes back, let's say they don't win the division, right? And I doubt that, I doubt would be strong, but let's say it's a 50-50 chance, either Chiefs or Broncos, probably more than that, win the division, not the Chargers. Do the, would the Colts or the Steelers want to see the Chargers in the first round?

I don't know. Saints fan here from Tennessee. A lot of my family are Titans fans. With the recent firing of Brian Callahan, it's hard not to compare a short tenure in Tennessee to Mike Vrable's. Both were first-time head coaches, but they had completely different results. As a Saints fan, I'm curious.

Do you see any patterns in Kellynne Moore that might hint at whether he's more likely to be a Vrable or a Callahan? Well, you know, you know what's funny about Kellynmore, he's like a quarterback, an athlete, hell, playing the NFL. Yet, I like him a lot, but sometimes I get this when I'm not eating healthy, kind of get that, he does not have the Jimmy Garoppolo jawline. Like me, his face can get a little chubby. If you just looked at him, you wouldn't think, like, this guy's one of the great college

quarterbacks of all time. Holds NCAA records. I had a front row seat to him for a couple years. That guy was a fucking baller. I mean, I don't think, I do believe this. Kellyn Moore is the most underappreciated college football player of the last 25 years. He was so good. And then obviously, I mean, he's 5'11, he's got a weak arm.

He dominated in college at Boise State. And I would say this about Kellan more that's different from Brian Kellyan. But, you know, Braybill, part of Braybill is I'm just a badass ass kicker. I'm like a more accomplished Dan Campbell. I'm the Dan Campbell on steroids. right and like kellen more doesn't bring that to the table but what he does bring is he's been a play caller for a long time for a lot of different players he's called plays for dack he's called plays for jason herbert he's called plays for jalen hurts Brian callahan never did so i i'm watching them

and listen their team's not that good they got a long way to go Spencer rattler's pretty good and their offense looks good well who's the offensive architect of the team Kellyn Moore. So I would feel pretty good like my guy has a distinct skill. He can call plays. I would say the same thing about the Cowboys. Like, listen, it's going to be on Jerry and the front office to like nail some defensive players, especially the DeLignment in the draft over the next couple years. But one thing Brian Callahan is showing, like, Dak likes him and he's a good offensive play caller. So think how many, like, listen to what we say about Siriani. Well, Siriani is a great leader.

Well, yeah, because he had good players. Like, if he had a shitty GM instead of Howie Roseman, that leadership, like, what's he doing X and those wise? Well, he can't call plays. It's always my knock on Siriana. What do you mean, can't call plays? He just can't do it. You mean, cannot?

No, like, incapable of doing it. Brian Callahan can. Kellynne Moore can. Caliore literally was his guy. And they've fallen off a cliff since he left. People think I'm shitting on Siriani. Like, I do respect him. It's a hard job, a lot of pressure.

But, like, he just incapable of calling place? It's one thing like John Harbaugh is like a 64 year old special teams coach. Like, yeah, okay, I get it. But Seriana's like a 44 year old offensive guy, former wide receiver. As a 27-year-old dolphins fan, I've witnessed nothing but mediocrity for most of my life. The last time they won a playoff game was in 2000. And I was barely coherent. I need someone to explain to me how Greer still has a job.

He joined the organization as a scale. out in 2000 and worked his way up to GM in 2016. After nine years of mediocre management, it's baffling how he's still here. In any other job, he would have been fired a long time ago. The organization is in jambles and now Tua is blaming everyone else in the press conferences. That was incredible. I hate this organization. The media is right.

This team is soft and it starts to the top of the Ross. The old man can't even be cutthroat to fire the right people. I think a lot of people believe that he has like, you know, it's like I go back and forth on this, the old Illuminati, but there is no disputing that in Hollywood and some of these, some of these circles in like the music industry, that people get dirt on you and in politics it happens, and they blackmail you and you have to do what they tell you to do, right?

And I, a lot of people on some dark Reddit streets, which I'm sure you've read, believe that Chris Greer, has things on Stephen Ross. And one of them is legitimately the, I almost said Brian Callahan, Brian Flores situation. Like he has intimate knowledge of did he try to pay him $100,000

to lose games? Are there text messages that he could release? Does he have him by the boss? Because if he does, like, welcome to America. That's the way it works. He's got the owner because clearly he's not any good. No clue what he's doing. And I would say this organization just needs a complete nuke job.

The problem is Stephen Ross still hiring everybody. So it feels like Stephen Ross and Woody Johnson are that Spider-Man meme where they're pointing at each other right now, which is crazy because you combine those two guys. They have so much money. They're in New York and Miami. These should be prominent NFL franchise. I think the thing the league benefits from the most that I'm recording this late afternoon on Tuesday. I think the Dodgers play the Brewers. Baseball is very dependent on like the Yankees, the Red Sox, the Cubs, the Dodgers. If it's like Tampa, Milwaukee, Seattle, like, they're going to have problems.

Basketball's the same way. They would gladly have Oklahoma City suck so the Lakers and the Warriors and the Knicks and the Bulls could be good. Football does not matter. It could be the Lions versus the Bills. It could be the Chiefs, you know, versus the Packers. The market share doesn't have to be New York. It doesn't have to be San Francisco.

Chicago hasn't, they've had like two good teams or less. 20 years. And that's where football really benefits in this situation because, yeah, I don't know what else to say. There are a lot of big market teams that are just not pulling their weight. Vikings fan here. And I got a Lions-related question. With Jared Goff approaching 10 years in the league, if you were a Lions front office, would you start to consider drafting a quarterback the next few drafts and use the Green Bay strategy in developing a quarterback. Let's see how old Jared Gough is. Jared Gough is 31 years old.

With the protection of the NFL with quarterbacks, he could have another five, six years easy. Obviously, their offensive line is good. I think you're always in the business of drafting and developing a quarterback. But if you're the Lions and you are in this win now mode, I don't think you would waste a first round pick on them. But let's even go in the second round. Well, it's like, what if I get a starting safety or defensive back

or defensive tackle or offensive guard? It's easy to talk yourself out of it. Now, I think once you get to like the fourth, fifth round, I have no problem drafting, you know, a Kyle McCord, a Tanner McKee, those type guys, right? And I know some of them went in different rounds. Kirk Cousins type. Yeah, I mean, I'm not against it, but I think for the Lions in their current situation,

I would have a hard time taking a quarterback, I don't know, in the first three rounds. Maybe you could justify it in the third round. Their backup's Kyle Allen. I mean, their backup's pretty, if Kyle Allen has to play, they'd be in trouble. But that's kind of the Tom Moore thing. Paid Manning takes all the reps. Why doesn't the backup take the reps? because if Peyton goes down, we're screwed and we don't practice screwed.

I use the PG version on the way I just, the adjective I used. Tom Moore used the F word to Gruden when he asked, because Peyton Mayne never didn't take a rep. Yo, John, watching since the start of last season, always tune in for each episode, was wondering your thoughts on how you maintain a non-biased look at teams throughout the season, playoffs, after having worked in the NFL with certain organizations.

Do you secretly have a favorite team? Nobody knows. Or are you like Rob Lowe wearing the NFL logo hat? Because this is not a passion project for me and hasn't been since I started in the podcast world. The only thing that mattered is like I needed to do this to feed my family that I didn't even have at the time. But it was like, this is going to be my profession. And I never understand how media doesn't understand the business element of it. and luckily, like, through getting fired in radio, I had to do, like, kind of look in the mirror.

Like, I don't understand the way that business works enough. So I've become pretty numb to it all. Obviously, like, and the other thing is, like, I'm not, and Collins said this forever. Like, I'm not in the right and wrong business. Like, I don't care if I'm wrong. I just give my opinion of the time. If Caleb Williams becomes a superstar, it's like, yeah, I'll acknowledge it. I mean, I don't care.

I hope he does. I want more quarterbacks and more. players or more coaches to be awesome. But the only thing that matters is the entertainment value of what's going on and what my opinions are based on the situations. I'm in the reaction business. Stories, I don't create the stories, right? I mean, I've really, I'm not a story breaker.

Even though your boy with the Belichick and the scouts, you know, kind of created a firestorm. But the only reason I did that is I was reacting to a story that Pete Thammel read on the Monday football game for North Carolina. I'm not into chasing around texting people for inside information. I do not care. I'm reacting to stories that come out and I get my opinion. And

the more people enjoy that and entertain, I don't care. If you told me revenue would quadruple and listeners would 5X if I just talked about the Jags every single day, I wouldn't hesitate to start tomorrow.

This is like, there's no the emotion in this business, which can be sad. Like, I miss some of that. I grew up loving the 49ers. Like, I still root for them, I guess, but when they lose, I don't really, it's like, whatever. Now, I can be emotionally moved like I felt for Fred Warner.

Like, I'm probably more emotionally moved from his injury than most other injuries. But, like, when I have to talk about it, it's like, yeah, I don't care. Like, 49ers got to get mad at me for thinking like, and I'm like, guys, I'm not like, I'm not an enemy here, but and people get mad at me in the NFL. And the one thing I, you know, say to whoever does get mad at me is like,

I put my name on everything I say. You know, every single person in the NFL, coaches, GM, scouts, they're talking shit about everyone constantly. But they never have to put their name on it. Everything I say is sourced, John, you know? So I just, this is a business.

And I think all of you guys can relate what any industry you work in, you know, construction, the booze business, the food business. As you get older and, you know, especially, I'm pretty numbers and financially motivated, I guess, that I just become numb to it all. Now, I'm still into it and I'm still emotionally moved by the sport of football and the stories, but I can navigate it pretty easy, I think, without, like, I just, I don't have any bias or agenda to this. I will change my opinion if new information comes out. I don't care that much.

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why aren't some teams discuss the same way even though they are going through the same issues? The bills have lost two straight games with horrible offensive games. The Eagles also are going through the same issues. But for the Eagles, it's Hertz's fault, offensive coordinator, player.

For the bills, it's they are going to bounce back because they have Josh Allen. I just feel there needs to be a consistent analysis on the team's performances. Because Josh Allen's a way better player than Justin Herbert. Or excuse me, Jalen Hertz. When you're Patrick Mahomes and when you're Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson and Burrow when he's healthy,

they don't get evaluated on a game-to-game basis. They're the elites. They run the fucking league. I get this a lot. It's like Steph Curry can have an 0-4-12 seven-point game. They're not opening the shows the next day like a Steph washed. It's not the way it works. And I understand Jalen won the Super Bowl last year and was awesome.

But I think we all agree like he's not nearly close to the top guys. on a week-to-week basis in the regular season. Has some great playoff games, and we respect him. He's a Super Bowl champion for life. But, like, he ain't Josh Allen. And Howie Roseman would trade Jalen Hertz straight up for Josh Allen yesterday. So it's like we don't evaluate these guys every snap they take.

Now, if Josh Allen has a god-awful season, then that's another conversation. But he's not going to get discussed like he's Dak Prescott or Jalen Hertz or Jared Goff. Those days are done. why he's a much better player can we all agree with that like is that even so the reason Jalen gets discussed like he gets discussed

because he has these shitty performances all the time and unlike a lot of these guys is he's like won a Super Bowl it's like what is going on I think a lot of people would have thought coming off the Super Bowl that Jalen would be like

an MVP candidate for the next several years one of the best players in the league and he clearly is not so it's like what conversation? Oh, he's fine. He's fine how? Like, he sure doesn't look fine. And his resume based on the course of like four years, there's a lot of ups and downs. So, yeah, like Jalen Hertz is a Super Bowl. Josh Allen does not. What do you think would happen if Josh Allen was on the Eagles these last four years?

I'm not discussing Josh Allen on a weekly basis. Every team beside the Chiefs would take Josh Allen seven days a week and 75 times on Sunday. And we all know this, anyone with common sense. A lot of teams would not want to trade for Jalen Hertz. And that's not just the teams that have like Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson. The Chargers would laugh, would laugh. The Washington commanders who were in their division, they wouldn't do that in a million years.

And again, that's what makes the conversational, that's why he's a polarizing player. Because I can say that out loud. Can you imagine it's like, yeah, the Washington commanders wouldn't try. trade Jaden as for Patrick Holmes? You're like, what? What did you just say? Repeat that? But if I said the Washington commanders would not trade Jane Daniels for Jalen Hertz.

But yeah, of course not. I wouldn't either. I know we're in the trenches of football season, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the Kauai Leonard and the Clipper situation that the NBA seems to have brushed under the rug. How do you think the NFL would respond to the caps or convention versus the NBA seemingly trying to cover it up? I think the NBA situation doesn't parallel the NFL

because one individual player like Kauai he's like your quarterback and then your five next best players they're so much more powerful I think it's pretty clear like I've listened to a decent amount of Pablo went on my guy Ethan Strauss's podcast and I've seen some clips as he's continued to investigate it like you would have to be really, really naive to think a lot of shady shit didn't go down. And maybe it could have been his uncle running point on it.

And Kauai wasn't, like, didn't have intimate knowledge of it all. But money was getting funneled to them one way or the other. I think part of the reason is a lot of stuff like this happens in the NBA. And one guy is treated like their, you know, we say quarterback is the most, famous, like I think these NBA stars when it comes to their financial mechanisms surrounding them they're like many

Amazon's and many Googles. Like the business of LeBron, the business of Steph Curry. Kauai plays like one game a month and look at how they've treated them. But do I believe they did shady stuff? Of course I do. But I think part of the problem is

are we going to start looking at everybody? Like, hey, Joe Lakeb, could we take a peek? at some of the stuff you've done over the years with that Silicon Valley in your backyard, how you funneled everybody money? Or have you? I don't know. Can we take a look? The Nick? I mean,

Jalen Brunson just took a huge pay cut a year ago. A massive pay cut. Were there promises made? And I don't even care. It doesn't bother me. Here's the other thing. While the Kauai story is clearly, you'd have to be pretty naive to knock out.

Like, they're a pretty big red flag. They never won. They never did anything. Because they got into business. You know, it's one thing. I think this would be a bigger story. If this was Yonis, if this was Yokic, if this was Steph, if this was LeBron, it's like, hey, guys, you're kicking our ass.

You got the best player. It's like, I wouldn't even want Kauai. How many GMs would be like, would you want to be in business with Kauai? They'd be like, no. Have them. Give them aspirations or invitations or whatever that fuck that company's called. funnel him and we don't care because when we play you, usually he's in streetclose

with some injury ice in his knee that only he knows about because he doesn't talk to anybody. What an awful business partner? I think about this all the time. Do you know how good the chiefs have it? They're in business with Patrick Mahomes. Do you know how great of a business partner it is for them? How easy it is to deal with them?

Like, that's who you want to be. Do you know how awesome it is for the Warriors to be in business with Steph Curry? It doesn't, the Yankees with Aaron Judge. If I'm going to pay, or Shohei Otani, if I'm going to pay premiums and go above and beyond and do shady shit, I want all the returns. It's sports. You know, we're not guaranteed to win anything on a yearly basis, right? Besides, if I'm paying, like, I have a minimum standard, like, we should be in the playoffs. But, like, how good of a business partner are you?

Do you maintain your stardom? Do you play a lot? Do you move the needle? Do you generate me a lot of money? And I just don't think you can say that about Kauai. I think Kauai has run him and Uncle Dennis over these last five years. And listen, when he's on, he's a fantastic player and his resume speaks for itself. But holy shit, I can't think of a guy with his talent.

I'd rather be in business with less. I mean, what a pain. And now you bring this because you have to do this stuff to get in business. But I think we all agree that something happened. Would you call it Mike Zimmer to replace Iberfluse? Didn't Zimmer get fired last year with McCorm? I don't think, kind of feels like Zimmer's just retired. I had a buddy who was on Zimmer's staff years ago.

He said he didn't like him. I thought he was a raging a hole. That Zimmer used to be on Tinder. You know, Zimmer's wife died of cancer like a decade ago. And then he started dating around like younger chicks. And he was on the internet apps. Uh, question. Looks like Glenn is in over his head.

We're going to have a top pick in a decent quarterback class. think it's just important to have a competent head coach in place. Otherwise, the quarterback pick will be a waste. I don't want the Jets to be like the Titans firing everyone every year. If Glenn doesn't show signs of improvement, I hope we get a veteran coach like Stefansky. I think Glenn's getting several years. Former Jet, it was a big deal hiring them.

I said this at the time. Like, people thought the Rex flirtation and Rex was really, interested with the job would have been crazy, I actually think there's no way they would be this battle with Rex Ryan. I just do not believe it. Now, you could argue a ceiling. What's Aaron Glenn's Rex knew what he was doing? I do think looking back, like if I was the Jets, I just would have given Rex like a three-year contract. Just be like, get us in the right direction. Why do you hate Brandon Saley? The way you talk about, the way you talk about him, he should be coaching Pee-Wee games. I'm not saying

buddy Ryan. I'm not saying he's buddy Ryan, but he didn't. He did. He did. He did. He's, he did. coached the Rams who number one defense in 2020. There's no bigger Fugazi than football in 2020. I mean, you could argue depending on where you live, it's one of the great Fugazis of all time, but non-football, but football-wise, come on.

In California, couldn't have fucking a soul in the building. Empty stadiums. It was a joke. Brandon Staley, growing up in California, I can sniff out of fraud pretty well. Our politicians are the biggest clowns in the history of America.

and to me when I watched Brandon Staley talk to the media, I went, this guy is got to be one of the biggest frauds of all time. And then I had friends who worked with him at different places and said he's the biggest know-it-all I've ever been around. Last year, Kyle Stan Shanahan couldn't, first off, he deserves criticism for hiring him in the first place. Kyle, I know you don't have my number, but if you did, text me, I could have told you that's moronic.

By like game three, couldn't stand him because he'd look out pre-game and Brandon Staley's talking to all the media members. He is just your classic brown noser trying to play the game. Look at the Saints this year. They are atrocious on defense. And I get it. Kellen Moore felt a little obligated. Staley threw him a bone after he was fired by the cowboy,

so he took care of him in this situation. Listen, that's kind of the way business works. He stinks. I think he's an awful coach. I really do. And I think you or I would have had a decent chance in 2020, the Fugazi season. to coach Aaron Donald in his prime and Jalen Ramsey

in a league where all these other teams couldn't practice. I mean, it was a joke. So if that's your claim to fame, and then I watch you speak, it's like, I just, I can disagree with Andrew Barry and the way he views football. He views football like a bunch of widgets. I can disagree with that.

But when I watch Andrew Barry talk, I don't view him as like a fraud. I just go, we have philosophically, I'm different than Andrew Barry. and I understand Tomlin, you know, sticking up for the integrity of the business. But, like, I respect Andrew Berry. I respect most people in this profession until I hear if I've worked with you and I think you're a fraud.

I mean, I can't stand you. But, like, I have pretty good sources in the NFL. And when I hear things for me to go all in on a guy, like, I feel pretty confident. I feel pretty confident. Like, when Colin over the years has gone in on guys, players, like he's getting pretty high-level people reiterating these thoughts to him that work in the leagues. So it's like, some of my thoughts,

like they come out of my mouth, but they are constructed based on other people's information that I trust from a professional standpoint to the highest degree. So I just think he's an all-time fraudulent coach who's just scamming different. teams out of millions of dollars. It's funny, you know, you turn on first take or you turn on some of these shows. They just shit on players.

I have, if you play in the league, and maybe it's like you turn on Shannon Sharp and Ocho Cinco, they will just shit on players. I respect players, man. It is so hard to make it to the NFL. It is so hard to do it. And listen, no one wants to fumble. It's not too as faulty as a weak arm. He's got a weak arm.

That's not being critical. It's just a fact. But I respect how, like, he's, he's, he's just, dramatically, I would say, increased the way that I view him over the last couple of years, have a lot of respect for his stuff. Wouldn't want him as my quarterback, but I respect him. There are a lot of coaches, I think, and scouts too, you hear stories like, these guys are scam artists.

In any business where there is a ton of money on the line, a ton of, the amount of money this offseason between the NFL and college that is going to be available is probably going to be historic. And that includes coordinators. So you start getting huge sums of cash. Not everyone that gravitates to it is the Harbaugh brothers, Mike Tomlin, Andy

Reed and Pete Carroll. It's a lot of guys that have no business being anywhere close to it, but they're just, they're frauds. And they're politicians. It's like they're a fake human. It's like I don't believe they're real.

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