The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Steelers DEFEAT Ravens to clinch AFC North & No. 4 seed in NFL Playoffs

Episode Date: January 5, 2026

Former NFL scout John Middlekauff is reacting LIVE immediately following Week 18 Sunday Night Football as Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers take on Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens. John kicks off by reacting to Aaron Rodgers’ late-game heroics and how the Steelers pulled off one of the luckiest wins he’s ever seen despite limited weapons, clinching the AFC North and the AFC #4 seed. John then looks ahead to Pittsburgh hosting the Houston Texans in the Wild Card round. John reacts to the Ravens’ devastating loss, discusses the future of John Harbaugh, shuts down Lamar Jackson trade rumors, and breaks down where Baltimore goes from here. John then reacts to the Atlanta Falcons firing Raheem Morris and GM Tony Fontenot, discusses rumors of Philip Rivers potentially entering the NFL head coaching ranks, and breaks down the Colts retaining Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen. John also reacts to the Raiders securing the #1 overall pick in the 2026 NFL Draft, discusses why the Chiefs owning the #9 pick could help reload the dynasty, and wraps up with early thoughts on the NFL Wild Card playoff matchups. John will react to the biggest plays of the day, breaking news from around the NFL and college football, and much more! 03:37 - Ravens-Steelers Reaction 29:42 - Falcons fire HC Raheem Morris & GM Terry Fontenot 34:05 - Phillip Rivers NFL HC option? 38:08 - Colts GM & HC returning in 2026 40:03 - Raiders Hold #1 Pick for 2026 NFL Draft 41:11 - Chiefs can reload dynasty with 9th pick 44:14 - NFL Wild Card Playoff schedule Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Use promo code “3ANDOUT20” on https://nicokick.com/zone for 20% off at checkout! Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What a night. What an incredible ending of that game. That was as wild of a fourth quarter as you will ever see. That that was entertainment. That was theater. That was fun. So we'll dive into the game. Obviously all the different aspects.

Tomlin, Rogers, Lamar, the ending, the play calls, the missed timeouts. It was bananas, the missed defensive assignments. Not exactly a defensive clinic on that fourth quarter. But we got new, you got the Falcons firing everybody. You got Philip Rivers, a coaching candidate. You got the Raiders with the number one overall pick. You got the Chiefs drafting in the top 10. We know the order of the games next weekend.

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And dive into what we just witnessed. Now, Sunday Night Football is the number one show in America. Now, it's all relative. Obviously, football's really popular. Television shows are not nearly as popular as they were like when I was a kid in the 90s. When 40, 50 million people would watch main episodes altogether around the country. cable TV wasn't as big, streaming didn't exist, obviously a lot has changed. That being said, Sunday night football still absolutely crushes it.

Would have been a big deal 30 years ago with the amount of people that watch it. So I said last week, and I'll take the L, I have no problem. I'm wrong all the time. Tell my wife, honey, I was wrong. I say it to you guys, I was wrong. I'm not afraid to admit that I can be an idiot. I can have bad takes. And I thought it was insane that the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Baltimore Ravens,

got the Sunday night game. And Seattle and San Francisco, who were playing for the number one seed, got Saturday night. But that was the right decision. And midway through, I was like, this game is badass. And you guys know where I stand. Love violence, love physicality. I love any sort of rivalry where there's like a true hatred.

It's why I gravitate so much to college football. The SEC, Ohio State, Michigan. I've always loved, like Duke, North Carolina. The hatred between like Kentucky and Louisville when Coach Cal and Patino were there. Like I love true passionate hatred towards someone else. I love it when I read stories in business about two people competing and they hate each other. And there's like a legit rivalry. Like I just, I don't know, something about it really does something to me inside that it's like makes me feel something.

It creates emotion in me, which, you know, as you get older, it's harder to, to a moat. And watching that game, when I first got in the league, that was. It wasn't a rivalry, that that was a, you know, it was like criminal activity on the field. It was, it wasn't safe, you know, back in its heyday in the late 2000s and early 2010s. And that game, the night, had a feel to it that you just don't feel that often. In Pittsburgh, you have this legendary guy that, you know, might be going out. He's got a broken hand against this other player that, you know, he's a multiple time MVP. people are talking about trading him.

The game's kind of weird. And the second half, just the fourth quarter alone. Now, if Nick Sabin or Belichick or some defensive guru was here, they were probably puking in their mouth, watching the blown coverages and situational football not being executed correctly. But if you're just on your couch, and listen, I was a Steeler fan tonight. Midway through the season, I put a $100 bet. and I parlayed it.

The New England Patriots, the Denver Broncos, the Seattle Seahawks, and the Pittsburgh Steelers to win their divisions. That $100 just paid me $7,000. Beside a Bryce and Deschambeau U.S. Open and some like crazy touchdown parlay, that's easily the greatest return I've ever got on a parlay. I was on the edge of my seat. I was screaming at the TV at the end of the first half

when I felt like they fucked it up with that stupid play. then of course they go right to Jason Garrett, and he goes, I love the play. It's like, Jason, you cannot go laterally in a situation like that, especially against a team. Holodynada's not in there. Putting Hayward, putting the other Hayward, I know it had been stuffed early, and just shove it right down their throat. What did they do later in the game? They did that, and it worked.

Obviously, that was a disaster I thought I was screwed. And, you know, I think tonight was a pretty awesome Aaron Rogers performance. When you factor in the D.K. Metcalf, who the hell knows where he was the night watching this game. I saw someone, Matt Williamson, who I think scouted a long time ago in the NFL, lives in Pittsburgh. I don't know if he would consider covers the Pittsburgh Steelers, but is just still involved in the media, just dialed in on the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I saw something on Twitter over the last couple days. And he said, listen, D.K. Metcalf obviously isn't the best wide receiver in the league.

league, but you could make the argument, given the team and the way it's constructed, he's the most important wide receiver in the league to his team. Because if you watch the All-22 and you see the way he plays, how much you have to focus on him. Obviously, they have no body type like that, and they definitely have no speed like that. And obviously, D.K., when he's playing well, can be a big-time impact player. When you remove him, it's Adam Thielen, who's like as old as me, Scotty Miller, Friermouth, who's a good player, MvS, who how long has he even been on the Pittsburgh Steelers, and Aaron Rogers just found away. And listen, there was that stretch in the second half where, like, I'm doing this right after the game, so I'm not going to see the press conference. I'm sure he's

going to be asked about the timeout situation, whether the headset went out or whatever. but there were like when you are trying to fuck with the opponent, which in my lifetime, no one obviously is better than Aaron Rogers at the line of scrimmage saying, blue 58, blue video, and then they could jump off sides, he messes him with the clock, he runs it down knowing that they'll jump. Whatever was not working. And he blew two timeouts, and I'm thinking to myself, if this was any other quarterback,

Hell, if this was just Lamar Jackson doing it, he would get eviscerated. Aaron's looking at the sideline, screaming at his helmet. It's like, Aaron, the helmet goes dark. Even if it's not working at 15 seconds, you're screaming at them at like three seconds. This is kind of on you. I thought that was going to come back to bite him in the ass. End of the game. They get the ball back with a couple minutes.

They don't have any timeouts. He still drives them right down the field. Now, we'll get into both. I mean, it was pure fireworks at the end of the game. end of the game, right? It was 10 to 3 at halftime. It felt like 17 points might win the game coming out of half. I think 17 points could win this game. You know, the Steelers have always corralled Lamar pretty well in terms of scrambling around. For whatever reason, maybe it's, you know, Stuckies always thought he's a big Raven guy that there's a comfort level they have playing him

where a lot of people, you know, his record against the NFC is incredible because it's an uncommon opponent. you don't see him. You're not used to his speed. There's no one in the league like him that can run like that, who when he's on passing the ball is so accurate and has the touch, his feel for the pocket. He's just, I mean, he's one of the most unique players in NFL history, but they're pretty comfortable doing it. And, you know, Aaron's scoring these touchdowns,

and you're like, okay, and he did it multiple times in the second half, and then boom, Jalen Ramsey, who's one of the great defensive players of his generation, it sure looked to me on the second touchdown, where Zay Flowers is open by the, I don't know, the size of Pennsylvania. No one's even remotely close to him. That was Jalen Ramsey biting on the run or biting on the playfake. And obviously no one's behind him and Lamar just lays it up. But on the previous touchdown where he hit Zay Flowers when he's on Patrick Queen

in a one-on-one situation, which obviously is not conducive to good defense and not advantageous to the Pittsburgh Steelers. that is advantage Ravens, that's one of the greatest plays Lamar's ever made. And the crazy part is, as I've watched that replay so many times, is Highsmith, who is a really good player, plays it well. You know, a lot of times when you have running lanes on Lamar, guys run up, right? On any mobile quarterback, it's they lose, as coaches say, gap integrity, and they're just flying fucking around.

And quarterbacks just have to move up. Hell, guys like Sam Dardled and Brock Purdy take advantage of it. let alone guys like him. He broke down. He stopped his feet. And he was going to wrap him up. I thought he was going to like slam him to the ground. Then all of a sudden, Lamar emerges.

And it's like the irony of this game. And Tomlin's pumping his chest and Rogers hugging everyone. That is, and I was a steal. I was a diehard stealer fan tonight. That's one of the luckiest wins I've ever seen in my entire life. Their defense blew two coverages. Obviously the field goal kicker missed the kick. They blew an all-time easy.

Sack on one of the great mobile players of all time, where they literally had them wrapped around by two guys who were not like coming out of control. One of them was stopped and is a high-end edge rusher. The last play that looked like ended the game on the past two likely, which was a beautiful kind of just dying by Lamar, great play by likely to high point that thing. I mean, it's beautiful. That's that's pro football at the highest level. But again, Jalen Ramsey, step too slow. And it felt like the Pittsburgh Steelers who are getting this throwback performance at Aaron Rogers, who's just conducting himself down the field like he's Peyton Manning or Tom fucking Brady in terms of his mental acuity, but he still has this arm. They got a couple running backs.

They got no firepower. He's just making it happen. It's like the Steelers defense is going to lose him the game. The Steelers defense is going to hand the Ravens this game. And Lamar, Zay Flowers, and likely they're just going to steal it from. Because you can, guys who are this defensive organization who, you know, have been desperate for just a functional quarterback and you're getting this quarterback play against your arch rivals and the event's going to blow it for you. And the guy missed the kick. And it's one of those situations where I think we underrate, and I'm sure I do, sitting on my couch. I mean, Boswell's, I think, would widely be considered the best one. I mean, there's so many good kickers. The Jags kickers is incredible. So there are a lot of good

kickers, but clearly one of the best kickers in the league. When he misses the extra point, clearly the wind's pumping, gets in your head. Again, I think with kicking, you can use golf, you get on a T-box, there's a bunch of wind, it messes with you. I don't care if you're Scotty Schaeffler or if it's me or you. I think it's no

different for a kicker. You kind of overthink it, and I don't care who you are a rookie in that environment with what's on the line, clearly fucking blew it. I mean, there's no way around it. He, blew the game. Because the Ravens took advantage of every screw-up the Steelers had.

Lamar hit and Zay twice. They obviously made an incredible play when he hit likely to win the game. And it came down to that and it didn't happen. And the Steelers come out victorious. Now, I think if you're a Steeler fan, you go, Rogers is really digging deep right now. And how embarrassing the previous week was, because it was. That loss to the Browns is That would have been remembered for a long time if they lost tonight. Because this whole situation could have been avoidable. But winning this game makes you forget all about that. And, you know, they say the victors usually are the people right in history.

And you can scrub that thing a little bit. It's not going to be a point where you talk about much. And the irony, too, is the Steelers being this defensive franchise, kind of like the Bears who, again, are not good a defense anymore either, But that's the identity of the organization. It blew it for them. It really did. I mean, the secondary was just what is going on.

What is up with these defensive calls? And it didn't matter. And that's the crazy part about sports is sometimes you can do this stupidest shit. And you could have this legendary person in Aaron Rogers make these great plays and you can still lose. or vice versa, you can screw up and all of a sudden you're looking up and you get lucky. And that's the way the cookie crumbles. Even my wife, when he missed the field goal,

he's like, she looks at me and goes, NFL script writers, NFL script writers did that. I'm like, listen, I push back against that conspiracy theory that everything is pre-planned. But if you wanted to convince me, that thing was like pre-planned in a writer's room, sometimes last night, if that was possible,

I would believe it, because that would be something to keep people on their edge of your seats, Sunday night football, those two brands, one of the greatest players of all time in Aaron Rogers, this multiple-time MVP that's still in his 20s, that was awesome.

And I do think Aaron Rogers, they validated a little bit. Not that it was the wrong move. They didn't have any other. options. But like, let's face it, signing him, getting to the playoffs, winning that game with him, what was he tonight? 31 of 47. Obviously, had the game winning touchdown pass, which the dude slipped on, but he had so many big passes, passes to Friarmoot, pass to MBS behind him, just some clearly great conducting at the line of scrimmage, changing plays.

I thought Jalen Warren the night was, his stat line does not reflect it, 14 carries for 66 yards. That guy was running his ass off. He also, he also had five catches for 33 yards. So he basically had 20 touches. Gainwell made some plays. Calvin Austin, Fryermouth. It just, it was kind of the ultimate team effort with the, with the guy conducting it. And I, listen, I, Steelers, I'm going to pick the Houston Texans in that game. But that was a really cool moment. A really cool quarter. just thrilling. And obviously Aaron Rogers, which I would guess next week, you know, if they lose will be the last game of his career.

I know there have been some reports about him coming back. Hard time seeing that. But, you know, who knows? The Steelers love doing kind of the same thing over and over. You know, it felt like when he was lining up to kick the field goal, is that going to be it for Mike? Like, is that it for Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh? Losing that game, the way they would have lost.

it on defense when, you know, at the end of the day, he's a defensive guy. Hell, he goes back, he's a secondary coach. And it just felt like, you know, Florio reported before the game that TV could be in his future. I have a hard time seeing that. I think teams, you're going to go work like a studio show, go call a game for Amazon. New York Giants pay $15 million a year. Tennessee Titans paid $15 million a year. There would be teams lined up to hire Mike Tomlin.

So I have a hard time seeing him take a TV gig. Maybe that would have happened. But it just felt like this is how he's going to go out against this team. And now it kind of flips around. I think he started asking the questions like, is there a chance in the next couple of days? We read a story that, you know, John Harbaugh and the Ravens are going to have a long closed door meeting.

Because I know one thing, this story that has just not gone away about this Lamar Jackson. They even kind of alluded to it on the broadcast. some fraction, something's a little off. Listen, I have no inside information, but clearly something's a little off. I know this. I've been a sports fan well before I ever worked in pro sports or college sports, well before I ever got paid to talk about them.

You do not get rid of Lamar Jackson before you get rid of a lot of other people. And you would have to be high on drugs to get rid of Lamar Jackson before you got rid of the coaching staff. that's not the way sports work. And you saw tonight glimpse of Lamar Jackson when he made that play and broke out of those two guys that were going to sack him for a big loss, would have flipped momentum.

And honestly, it would have been, the Ravens would have been in shambles if that sack would have, that place would have been gone nuts. And when he scrambled around and throws a fucking dime and Zay walks in the end zone, I went, we've honestly had discussions that this guy would be on the trade block. What are we talking about?

that conversation is done. If you're Steve Bouchotti, if you're part of the ownership group, other people go, cut other players, get rid of coaches, but I'm sorry, at least for the time being, Lamar Jackson would be a pretty sacred cow in the organization. Because those guys, with his ability,

like sometimes with runners, you see guys that just lack other qualities, whether they're not accurate, they don't have any touch, you know, some of these fastball throwers that can't throw a change up. I think the thing that makes Lamar pretty special, now he does some plays that the play to Hopkins when he was scrambling, I don't know if he thought Hopkins was going to keep running.

I don't know if he just brain farted. That was a bizarre play. But he has stuff in the bag that I've been watching football. I'm 40 years old for, you know, well over 30 years. But 30 years that I can remember. I don't ever remember what he has in the bag, seeing very often, if ever at all. And the ability to go toe to toe with the best teams of the league

and the biggest spots on the road, again, you fire coaches before you trade star players. That's the way it goes. So the conversation to me, if I'm operating around the Ravens, starts with Harbaugh before it starts with Lamar Jackson, if there's a fraction. I'm not comparing Lamar Jackson to John Elway.

Right? John Elway had been, been to multiple Super Bowls early on in his career. But I will say this. The best move Pat Bolin ever made, there was a fraction. And I'm not saying that John Harbaugh and Lamar Jackson are at odds where they literally hate each other if you've watched the John Elway documentary. Dan Reeves and John Elway had a closed door meeting because Mike Shanahan, who was the offensive coordinator, told both, we need to have a talk.

And you guys should tell each other how you feel. and they both told each other, again, the head coach and John Elway, the Star quarterback, I hate you. And it never recovered. And then Pat Boland realized, I mean, Dan Reeves was going to trade John Elway. And Pat Bowlin fired Dan Reeves,

who, you know, pretty good coach. I mean, took teams of Super Bowl, took the Atlanta Falcons of the Super Bowl. Like, this wasn't, we're not talking about Brandon Staley here. We're talking about a very, very accomplished coach. Hard-headed, stubborn. Kind of reminds me of a hardball.

and you know, you watch Harbite. And listen, I would throw Tomlin in this too. They're not perfect. They got some flaws. You know, they're pretty dependent on their coordinators. Both these teams, you know, are not nearly as talented as they used to be. I mean, the Ravens, once Kyle Hamilton goes out, who knows? I mean, do the Steelers win this game of Kyle Hamilton doesn't get hurt?

Again, as tonight a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, I would have to admit, probably not. But he goes out. Never root for injuries, but. wasn't mad because that that was their only shot. But he's also, by four, it felt like, their most impactful defensive player. You know, Roquan Smith's, good player. Wiggins, Starks, the young DBs, good players. But they used to have these defensive lines.

Now I get, Mbuke's been, you know, on injured reserve all season long. They used to have Halodinada, Terrell Suggs. They used to have so many elite guys up front. That's just not the case. I mean, you got Jalen Warren breaking tackles like they're the Arizona Cardinals. not the Baltimore Ravens. So that that was as great and a thrilling and a lucky win that was for the Pittsburgh Steelers, you could argue it's one of the all-time kicking the dick losses you'll ever see

when you factor in it's on the road against a rival to go to the playoffs and you have, I don't want to call it quite a chip shot, but a extremely easy field goal to make. A field goal so easy to make, you had no problem just taking a need. with like 15 seconds left and you weren't trying to get any closer because we all realized you were close enough. The guy was going to make it until he didn't. And the other crazy part is, you know, the Ravens, a huge part of the Lamar Jackson era

and definitely a huge part of the John Harbaugh era is they were defined by one of the greatest kickers we've ever seen. You know, in his heyday, if Justin Tucker came out there, there wouldn't have been one soul in that building that wouldn't have started packing their shit to leave heading to their car because the game would have been a rap. And I still thought it was a rap, but it's a rookie kicker. Made you miss. Honestly, it wasn't even that close. So, what a game. What a night. That was a muscle flex night for the NFL. Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor Hard Rock Band. The official sports book part.

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Today I don't watch that much NBA anymore if at all, to be honestly. I just don't really have time. and I do listen to a decent amount of like NBA content. I like the drama of the league. Clearly one issue they've had for a long time is tanking, and you have so many games, the season's so long, baseball has this too, where none of the games matter and you just have teams that don't try.

One thing that really resonated with me today, the NFL is extremely lucky, that just the nature of the sport, that, you know, players, I mean, Max Crosby was on a record a couple weeks ago, like no one cares about draft picks. Not that NBA players do either, but you can really manipulate it a lot easier. That today felt like an NBA slate in the middle of March when 12 teams aren't trying, and they're all playing each other.

And it's just an unwatchable product, because that's what the NFL was today, an unwatchable product. And this is someone who loves football, who's dedicated my life to either working in it or talking about it, who loves watching it. This morning was embarrassing. And I had a buddy who covers the league pretty closely for a team, and he said, you know what's crazy? The morning slate, as the season goes, can be really, really bad. It sometimes gets, I would say, overshadowed by some cool late moments in the wishing hour with Scott Hanson.

But there's a lot of bad football being played, because they've emphasized these primetime games so much, rightfully so, and CBS and Fox put so much into the matchups in the afternoon that look this season how many bad teams there have been. I mean, the amount of teams that won three, four, five games, it's pretty crazy. There was a lot of slop in the league. And today, a lot of these teams just went full NBA.

They just tanked, which I don't blame them for doing. Like I would have done the same thing if I was in their shoes. No different. If I was on a bad NBA team, I would tank too to try to get Cooper Flag. I don't blame anyone for doing it. But I'm not in their shoes. I'm in the consumer shoes. I just like sitting on my couch and watching football like millions of people.

And I tried this morning and I was like falling asleep. I'm like, this is, thank God this is just once a year. Because I'd argue if that was a couple times a year, we'd have a serious problem on her hands. And that's where I think tonight was so big, it kind of wiped back. stink away. Because that stink was bad. That that was something that I just, I would not have been able to forget for a while if it wasn't for Rogers, Lamar, the Steelers, the Ravens, the drama of that game. It's where if you were a conspiracy theorist, you could be like, someone's controlling something. I don't think's happening, but I, you know, I dabble enough, a little tinflow

on my head. I can be convinced, you know, I would never discount anything. I'd listen. You guys want to have a meeting, shoot me a Zoom link. But, man, Steelers are in the playoffs. Tomlin survives. Aaron Rogers gets another 60 minutes of football. I don't know if we're on John Harbaugh watch, but it's definitely something to keep an eye on on those, you know, rap sheet and Adam Schaefter's Twitter machines.

See if, you know, there's something going on because I think it's about to get weird. Because once Lamar made that play, I don't know how the owner could even entertain any ideas as if, like, Lamar, or excuse me, Eric Dacosta, John Harbaugh, like, knocked on his door and said, hey, we got an idea. You know, we call the Raiders, you know, number one overall pick, Max Crosby and like two-toes. He'd be like, yeah, I'm just going to keep Lamar Jackson. That's what we're going to do here.

So you guys can go find another team that might be entertained, do dumb ideas, but we're not going to do that here. And I'm not even saying they want to do that, but there's just been enough. This isn't just, like, from one Reddit stream. It just got weird. And I thought Lamar answered the bell down the stretch, obviously, big time. So does A-Flower, so did likely.

Those plays were, I mean, you fell off your couch. Like, is this really happening? Unless you're rooting for the Steelers and you just want to go like, where is the defender? What are we doing? Let's bang out some other topics before we get out of here. Big news today, at least the first of the gate opening on what is considered Black Monday tomorrow.

sometimes it kind of materializes over the course of the week. Arthur Blank, who's oldest shit, put himself in his own Hall of Fame last year, which is an all-time move. I actually read an Instagram thread on him and how him and his partner started Home Depot. Pretty incredible. I don't think we talk enough about his business story, you know, how he started from scratch and what he created after being fired from

another company with a buddy. It's a pretty awesome story. But as an owner, it does feel like they're pretty lost. And over the last five years with Arthur Smith and Rahim Morris, it doesn't feel like any team is underachieve more. And this team, like the reason Rahim Morris got fired, and I saw, listen, I've known Mike Silver, who wrote for SI, and now writes for athletic for a long time, covered the NFL forever. He loves Rahim Morris, just like everyone loves Rahim Morris. and he was on the X channels, as my mom calls it, defending, saying this is crazy, he only got two years, he just won his last four games. When Rahim Morris and Terry Font now made the decision in a month span

to give Kirk Cousins four years $180 million, and $100 million guaranteed of Arthur Blank's money, and then a month later, draft a quarterback number eight overall, which I'm not acting like I didn't like him, I did. But the NFL did not. he was off a ton of draft boards. He had major injury concerns. And a lot of people just questioned his overall talent. Like most people I knew, if they did have him on the draft board, did not have them in the first round.

They took him eight overall. That move, or those two moves, didn't blow up in their face. It was like a nuclear bomb in the organization. And it has been a disaster. Michael Pennix now two years later has a torn ACL. That's the third time he's torn it. Kurt Cousins, who by far, once he started playing, was better than he was last year and was better than Penex, but they're not going to bring Cousins back because he makes like $40 plus million a year.

So they're kind of in quarterback no man's land. And it's like, okay, yeah, they tied for first in the division. The division was eight and fucking nine. That is an embarrassment. In most divisions, you would have been four or five, six games behind the number one team in your division. you wouldn't have sniffed second. So going 8 and 9 is not an accomplishment. Actually, when you watch them against the Rams,

when you watch them against the bills, it's kind of an embarrassment. So I have no qualms or issues with those two guys getting fired. Because any human in life, when you are in a situation, especially a pressure pack situation, and you make a massive decision.

We all make a lot of decisions in life. some of them be you know the results of those decisions have little to no impact on our professional situation and some of them will make or break us and their quarterback decisions two years ago broke them that's the way it works just like i saw it with the 49ers if brock purdy would not have been drafted in the seventh round the 49ers would have been screwed they would have had a major major problem problem. But the football gods threw them a bone. The football gods did not throw these guys a bone. When Michael Panix got thrust in there, he just couldn't really play. And when Cousins, you know, had to play last year, it wasn't any good. And then this year, they just started losing two bad teams.

They had one of the worst special teams we've ever seen. And yeah, they started playing better at the end of the season. Too little too late. You ever get into a fight, a really bad fight, and then try to apologize and she won't listen to you? Yeah. You can try to apologize. You can try to apologize. after the fact it's not good enough. So I understand them firing him. I would fully expect Matt Ryan to be some sort of made up role where he is between the GM,

between the coach, and Arthur Blank. That would be the expectation moving forward. I saw a report from Rapsheet today that Philip Rivers will essentially a garner interest to be a head coach in the NFL. Let me say this. I do think Philip Rivers

could immediately start tomorrow and be a good head coach at the NFL. He understands players. He understands personnel just from evaluating them on a game plan for 20 plus years. He's now been a coach I get at a high school level, but he understands just like the feeling of standing on the sideline with a headset. I would have, I would bet on Philip Rivers working. But if I was Philip Rivers, because calling the plays on game day, I'm sure he'd be good at it.

I'm sure working with the quarterback and the offensive skill guys would be come very naturally to them. But you know what being a head coach is? On Monday afternoon, you get a call. Your starting defensive tackle just had a family member

claimed that he blasted her in the face with his fist because she turned down the air conditioning from 70 to 68 degrees. A wide receiver just had a chef sue him for sexually assaulting him. Your starting safety just wrapped his car around a telephone pole and got a DUI.

Your offensive line coach, his wife just left him and mentally he's in shambles. Your GM is just in an awful mood and you got to deal with him. Like that is big a head coach. Oh, and you have a billionaire family who again, a. billionaire family who literally everything they do in life is free. I mean, one time heard someone describe what it's like to be a billionaire. And they're like, imagine everything in life is free. I'm like, that's a great way to sum it up. And what a way to live? You know, you just, no matter what room you go into, if you want to buy that, you're like, I can't afford that.

That's who you work for. A family where literally everything in the world, to them is free. and most of them, even if they are nice people or whatever, he'll lose a little touch with reality. And it is not easy. In what world would Philip Rivers want to deal with that? He's made hundreds of millions of dollars. He has 10 freaking kids. He has a son who's going to be a senior who, by all accounts,

is going to be a high-end recruit. He's got another son who's a ninth grader who I would bet on probably eventually becoming a high-end recruit. Why does he need that stress? You know why Mike Tomlin or John Harbaugh or a lot of those guys do it? That's how they've made their money. That's where they make their millions of dollars. Phillips already made the millions.

Now, if he did want that headache because it's unavoidable, I would respect the shit out of him. Tom Brady, you know, bought into a team. He's going to be really hands-on. Hands-on. Dude, it's like playing golf in Florida. Again, I don't blame him at all. I'd be doing exactly what Tom is doing.

I'd be playing golf. I'd be hanging out with Alex Earl. I'd be living life as well. But Tom Brady doesn't want to act like John Elway did 10 years ago. Every day in the office. Every day dealing with all the shit. Deal with your scouts. Deal with your GM.

Deal with your coaches. Dealing with the college draft. Deal with free agency. Deal with your own team. Deal with the agents. Deal with the owners. It's a pain in the fucking ass. Pays well.

You get a lot of praise when things go well. But most of the days are not just game day after a win in the locker room, high-fiving everybody. Most of the days are long, no one's paying attention and shit is hitting the fan left and right. So this is one of those things. Awesome headline. Kind of interesting, because I think we both all agree. Philip Rivers could be a head coach in the NFL if he wanted to do it. There is no doubt in anyone's mind. And if there is a doubt in your mind, then you probably don't know what you're talking about. No offense. I mean, it might be a good human, but you just don't understand football. But I just don't see at this point in time why he'd want that on his plate.

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Just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drink. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? I would have a bogo. Well, then you got it.

Do you want a white collar something here? Just take it. Oh, what are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on. How did you imagine?

I would buy it. Cut through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You are. You are.

I'm not a killer. I love this team, and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Oh. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaking of Rivers, the Colts announced about a couple nights ago I couldn't sleep. And I got up, it was like three in the morning.

And I just started scrolling the athletic. And there was this long article about Ursa's daughter, Carly, who runs the team now. And there were a lot of quotes in there from Shane Syke and Chris Ballard. and it was clear that they all like each other a lot. So when I saw the news today that they're coming back, Chris Ballard's never won the division in nine years. Obviously, Shane Stuyken hasn't made the playoffs. This year they started eight and two.

They don't have first round picks. I don't even think they've won a game after that. Pretty sure they, yeah, they lost today. So they went eight, nine, disastrous season. Again, the Jets have their first round pick. I don't know if you saw the stat at halftime on Sunday night football of quarterbacks against the Jets, 36 touchdowns, no interceptions, 14 and 3, like 70% completion percentage.

That's really bad. I mean, that's, I got nothing. Like, I'm not anti-Aaron Glenn. I was rooting for him. I always really liked him on the lines. I thought he did a great job. I think it's hard to argue. That's one of the worst coaching jobs in the history of the league.

No interceptions. You inherited a team with Sauce Gardner with pass rushers. No interceptions. that is a record. You know like a record that will stand forever? Like Joe DiMaggio's 56thame hitting streak. Cal Ripkins, you know, whatever, 10,000 straight games or whatever it was. Wilk Chamberlains 100 points.

And we go on and on. Like some of these, probably going to stand forever. I saw some of Jerry Rice's records. Nobody. And I promise you nobody is ever, ever breaking the Jets record. No one will ever match that. You couldn't break it, but you could match it. It will never be matched.

I promise you that. What was, I guess, didn't have to be matched, is the Vegas, Las Vegas Raiders. We knew going into the game because the Cowboys today who yanked Dak went full tank. Again, I don't even blame them for doing it. I would have done it too. Once the Giants win that game,

who also, I think, went from two to five or six, I forget exactly where they're drafting, but obviously, you know, not ideal. Now, Jackson Dart, Brian Burns, none of those guys care about a draft pick. The Raiders have the number one overall pick. We're going to watch Pete Carroll. Most people assume that with the next 24, 48 hours,

Pete Carroll will either be forced into retirement or be fired. And Fernando Mendoza will be their quarterback because it was announced tonight that Kurt Signetti and Indiana had signed, I think, TCU's quarterback Hoover, and he will replace Fernando Mendoza, who's going to the draft, who will be the number one overall pick, and will be the starting quarterback for the Vegas Raiders in 2026.

The only question is, who's going to be their coach, some rumors about Brian Flores and Dayball. I think they will want an offensive head coach. If Stefansky got fired, would they be interested? We'll just have to keep an eye on that. And the Chiefs, who went to five Super Bowls in six years, had one of the worst seasons of all time for them, but they have the ninth pick in the draft. And I think what's scary about that is this. is going to be a chance for them to a catalyst for them to continue the dynasty.

If you tell me that the chiefs are going to continue to be really, really good in a high-end team, this draft will change the franchise. And I think they can do this two ways. You can go from nine to like four pretty easily if you're out. You could just, hey, we'll give you next year's first round pick. And just a team that, you know, like the giants that needs to accumulate assets, come back. And all of a sudden, if a couple quarterbacks go high,

we end up with potentially the best past rusher, best offensive linemen in the draft, a guy that we couldn't have dreamed of acquiring for the last 15 years. We've never, ever. The best player in the, you know, arguably in the league in one of the great draft picks in franchise history, we drafted Patrick Mahomes 10. And we had to come up from the 20s. Now we're at 9. We can go up, we can get an all-timer.

or can we go from like 9 to 14, still draft way higher than we ever envision we'd be drafting, accumulate another second round pick, and start nailing some high-end guys that are cheap. So now we've got a first rounder, we've got a couple second rounders, and we can maneuver. But I think the chiefs are a lot of the usual suspects high,

a lot of crappy franchises, but the chiefs to me are by far the most fascinating team drafting in the top 10. and, you know, whenever I text my buddies on their staff, you know, we just BS about players. They're always just talking about it, you know, hypothetically. Like, yeah, we really like that guy, but obviously we were never going to draft them. Now, beside three or four players, they have to really evaluate all, you know, Caleb Downs, Bain, you have, I mean, all the guys that, yeah, they write up and they put on the board, they're never drafting those players.

Now it's like they're real conversation, which to me adds an intrigue. Of course the Titans are drafting high. They suck. You know, they always suck. And I think that job, I think that franchise, you know, a lot of franchises get picked on, the Jets, the Raiders. I don't think we pick on the Titans enough. They are just an abomination of an operation. And there's going to be a lot of pressure on Borganzi that clearly got a bunch more juice over the weekend in some power struggle with the Chad Brinker guy.

And now he answers the owner, he doesn't answer that guy who claimed they were friends. but anytime this happens, it always gets weird when you lose. Whoever their next head coaches, Cam Ward got hurt today. Just weird situation. And I guess we'll end on this. There was no bigger lock. And I stand by what I said. If you go under 500 and win a division,

you should not host a playoff game. It's very simple. I had people tweeting at me like, you're just jealous. The 49ers have to... This has nothing to do about anyone. I don't care who has to go on the road or plays a home game. you should not be able to host a playoff game if you go under 500.

That reflects your division because winning the division is a big deal. It's hard to win the division. Why? Because usually there are multiple double-digit win teams in the division. Seattle won a division with the fifth and the six seed. Last year, the Philadelphia Eagles won a division with another team that ends up they played in the NFC championship game. The Denver Broncos won the division.

like the Chargers were nipping at their heels all season long. And I just think when you have another division where all the other teams are under 500 as well, like that's a joke division. It just is. Now, I don't think this is going to change anytime soon, but I was an idiot that once the Panthers made it today, they were playing that first game in the afternoon on Saturday,

which is historically the worst game on paper of the weekend. And there's already, I think, like a 10 plus point spread, for the Rams. That was a no-brainer. I did think the Bears Packers and the Niners Eagles would be Fox and Sunday night. But clearly Amazon, I think there's a decent chance either Fox or Amazon had the number one overall pick, and they picked Bears Packers at night because that is just that environment in Chicago at night, freezing cold, the pressure on the floor trying to get a contract

extension. He wins this game. It would shut a lot of people. people up. The Bears, listen, anytime you get a home game, you want to win, they've already had a pretty incredible season. Obviously, to beat the Packers would be the icing on the cake. You win this game. It would just be, I've been an all-time first year for Ben Johnson. You beat the Packers twice, once in the playoffs at a home game. It'd be pretty cool. I do think the Eagles, I saw Siriani was asked about it. It's hard because they're benching a bunch of guys.

they're playing a bunch of backups. He had to look up there and see the Bears are down 16-0-0 and going, there is a big difference between the two and the three-seat. Having two home games or only having one, to me, that's a game changer. Now, you could argue, well, the Bears could lose. Or they could, or they could just win, and then you win, and then you've got to go there. So I was honestly stunned, and I get it, you're playing a backup quarterback who, I thought Tanner McKee was a little better.

He didn't play that well today whenever I would kind of peek at the game. game. I just assume they would win even with their backups. And then all of a sudden it's like 2417. I'm like, what is going on? But obviously the Eagles play the 49ers in the day game on Sunday. I think it's, is it, I have to look now. I'm confused. I'm like thinking out loud. What's the NFL schedule? I had a lot on my mind right now. It's like blanking. So we got Buffalo Jacksonville. I thought they would give Josh Allen a Sunday night game. A little surprised. I get Jacksonville is not the sexiest, quote-unquote,

you know, name, market. I think Jacksonville's a fun team to watch. They have been kicking ass and taking names. I was, if you would have told me these three games would have been on Sunday, Buffalo, Jacksonville, Niners, Philly, Los Angeles, New England. I think I would have guessed the Chargers in New England would have been the morning game. And they would have put Josh Allen at night. And I would have guessed that Fox and Tom Brady just would have taken.

in Philly and the Niners in the afternoon game. So I am a little surprised, and I get it's, you know, Drake May, Mike Vrable, Jim Harbaugh, not saying that there's not Star Power in the L.A., New England game. But I thought that Josh Allen's almost like, I don't know, like LeBron, Steph Curry, you know, Shohei,

just like a transcendent name in this sport that is just such a TV rating magnet that he would have trumped those two guys, but clearly he didn't. And then obviously the Monday night game, Pittsburgh at Houston, my initial thought is just, I like Houston a lot in this game.

I think Houston's a very live dog to be a major, major problem in the AFC. I haven't thought that much about all these matchups. I do think the Niners, it's going to be really, really difficult. I think Jacksonville is just having an incredible, they are so good. But to get Josh Allen, and I get it, the bills have looked weird.

I'm not even counting today, but just it's been a weird season. The Keon Coleman situation, you know, you draft this guy high. He's inactive all the time. Their defense just looks shitty so often. Their weapons aren't great beside Cook. But I just have a hard time betting against an all-time great quarterback, especially who's going to be well-rested. Jags defense is good.

I think that game, that's an excellent morning game. That really is. and I think Green Bay Chicago is just great theater. I would say the Steeler, if I had to rank some of the great games of the year regular season, just off the top of my head, I would say that Bears Packers game, where they came back at the end was just,

I was on the edge of my seat, and it wasn't even the greatest game, but it was just the atmosphere. It was just so cool. Saturday night, Niners, Bears, Pittsburgh Ravens. I mean, we've had the Seattle, ram game. We've had some great primetime games.

And to me, what makes a primetime game is, like, the venue really comes into play. It's a huge point of difference for college football, right? When you get some of these primetime night games, like LSU, at LSU, right, at some of these venues that are just really, really cool. It's kind of where the SEC thrives because their home games are just so badass when the lights are on. And I think we got, you know, the New England, that's a place that they've hosted a lot of night playoff games. Chicago has not, but that's just an incredible venue.

And obviously, Pittsburgh will be rocking. So we'll talk a lot about these games as the week goes on. Obviously, as people get, you know, fired and rumors fly, we will have you covered. And I will formulate opinions and thoughts on anything that comes across the NFL wire. So have a great night. Hopefully, everyone had a enjoyable 2025 regular season. Probably not if you're like a Titan, Cardinal, Giant fan.

Jets fan, definitely not. Raider fan, no chance. Chiefs fan, probably not really either, but, you know, if you're like a Patriot fan, it was pretty cool. If you're a Bears fan, it was a pretty badass. So it's all about perspective, you know, whoever you are. We will talk tomorrow. Have a good night. See you.

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