The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Terry McLaurin REQUESTS A TRADE, Caleb Williams UPDATE, Steelers are in the HONEYMOON PHASE

Episode Date: August 1, 2025

John reacts to the breaking news that Washington Commanders WR Terry McLaurin has requested a trade. John, talks about what this request means, if he thinks Washington will trade him, and who might be a contender to trade for McLaurin. Next, John talks about the Madden Ratings and how they compare to Super Bowl odds for certain teams and if there is any correlation  between Madden Ratings and teams winning the Super Bowl. Later, John gives you an update on the Bears and Caleb Williams, and finally he dives into the honeymoon phase that the Pittsburgh Steelers are currently in. 05:48 - Terry McLaurin requests a trade 21:08 - Madden Ratings 27:51 - Caleb Williams update 36:20 - Steelers honeymoon phase 41:53 - Tom Brady's comments 54:15 - Fugazi Friday Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I got Brandon Ayuk liking the Instagram posts. Terry McLoran has officially requested a trade from the Washington commanders. And we have a bunch of different stuff going on around the league, right? Trey Hendrickson's doing a hold-in. Michael Parsons wants to get paid. We have contract situations now on a yearly basis. And Adam Peters, who's with the 49ers Forever, who's the GM of Washington, has seen him from Debo.

Debo once requested a trade. Then he showed up for OTAs for a mandatory part. Training camp, I can't even remember, but they worked out of contract. And obviously it didn't go that well. And now he's on the Washington commanders. We've seen holdouts with Nick Bosa. Adam Peters has had a long experience when he was with the 49ers of watching the situation happen. But I also think this brings into light why all these coaches,

and especially veteran players talk over and over and over again about every year's a new year. Even with returning players like guys get worse, guys get better, guys get injured, we get new players, we get coaches come and go, you know, assistant coaches, schemes can change. You never know from year to year, right, how things are going to play out. And Terry McLaurin has been a part of this franchise when they were a joke. and obviously as a leader of this team and then as they finally break out he becomes the number one target scored 13 touchdowns

and it's just an elite player for them. Now I also understand the complications like I'm always understandable when management pushes back on older players, guys with their third contract in the NFL, with enormous money. It makes teams uncomfortable. Seattle, I'm out on D.K. McHaff, right?

I know D.K. requested a trade. I promise you this, if Seattle would have put a lot of money in front of them, he would have signed it. Right? So we have seen guys this offseason, Miles Garrett, T.J. Watt, Max Crosby get enormous third contracts. I'd say all three of those guys are somewhat outliers and play the second most important position behind quarterback. I do think Adam Peters, when he traded for Debo Samuel, which I liked the move, I would have done it too, had to impact Terry a little bit. because this GM, this head coach, they didn't draft you, right? The contract you're on, they had nothing to do with.

Even though you produced for them, and I'm sure they like them, it just shows you like, hey, he'll bring in his guy immediately when given the opportunity. And myself, like Debo, are both in contract years. We're fighting for more money. We want to get paid more. And Terry, coming off a good year, Debo is not, but goes, hey, if you like being, now's the time. Why are we going to play this thing out?

And if you're Washington like, hey, we'd like to see a couple years of this before we give you $35 million a year. And while Adam wasn't with the Niners last year, he just saw the 49ers give IUC different situation. It was IUC's first contract extension, a contract that they immediately regretted. And anytime that you're on this rookie contract, everyone's like, you've got to load up, you've got to load up.

And that is true. but you got to feel comfortable about what you're loading up for. Now, depending on, I mean, would I want to give him $100 million guaranteed? I wouldn't feel comfortable doing something like that. And when you have a guy asking for $35 plus million, he's not going to sign a two-year contract. So it's pretty easy to do the math. The guaranteed number is probably going to be $85 to $90 million minimum is what he's looking for.

And clearly Washington right now is uncomfortable doing that because if they weren't, I think a contract would already be signed. But this is not the NBA. When you demand a trade, you don't always go, okay, where do you want to go? As Schefter reported, the commanders have no desire and no intention of trading the player. We plan on you being here. So these situations can get weird. I saw Mike Silver.

He interviewed Charvarius Ward, who was now on the Colts, who two years ago was an all-pro for the 49ers. He's had a great, great career. Started on the Chiefs, signed with the Niners, playing a bunch of big games, been a high-end player. Last year he had a tragedy happening in his life in the middle of the season with a young daughter who passed away, just awful situation. But in this article, he said,

before that situation took place in my mind, I couldn't even focus on football, and I just, I was out of it. I didn't even want to play. In the off season, coming off an all-pro season. Like all the other guys on the team, I wanted a new contract. I was going into my final year.

I wanted a contract extension. And the front office looked at me and said, we're going to pay all these other guys. And then he said guys started holding out. I'm at practice, and they still get paid. I'm like, what the fuck's going on here? I was just an all-pro. I play a premium position, and you're not going to pay me.

And this was his point. I was pissed off, and I wasn't in a good frame of mind. So anytime, I don't care who you are, for most normal people that aren't talking anywhere near the numbers, these guys are talking, in your job situation, when you feel disrespected, especially if you work for a company or work for someone or partners with someone, and you've been doing something for a long period of time, Terry's been there for a while. You go, I haven't been just a good soldier. I've been a productive member. I've been, you know, one of the bright spots for this dog shit place.

and now that things are going well, I'm thriving. And you're like, yeah, we'll figure you out later. Like, it can get weird. And I also understand where Adam Peters is coming from. Like, hey, you're going to be 30 years old. Are we going to give you all this money? Like, you're a good player, and obviously you're productive,

and you have 13 touchdowns last year, but am I going to pay you like you're Jerry Rice or Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase? Because we know you're not that. So you get in these weird situations. And this is why you've got to be careful. And I liked what Adam did this. offseason. Instead of using all the cap space they had and sign typically random average guys

in free agency that you have to pay premiums for, he's like, you know what, I'm going to trade for veteran players. Not high picks, but mid-round picks for guys who are under-contracted make good money. Laramie Tunzel is available, trade a third-round pick for him. Debo Samuel, who I know is in a contract year, I'll trade like a fifth or sixth round pick form. And ideally we get some good football out of those guys, right? And then we can evaluate at the end of the year, extend them, move on from them, but like, I know what I'm getting with a veteran guy. But sometimes when you do that and you bring in their money and then their demands, it kind of ruffle feathers inside the locker room. Because Terry McLaren looks at Debo Samuel and goes, this year we're scheduled to

essentially make the same amount. In what world can I make the same amount as this guy? I know he had success for that team a couple years ago, but not here. You know, I saw this clip today on social media of Jerry Jones. It must have been from Dion's, like, NFL network, a football life probably. And Stephen Jones and Jerry Jones were telling the story of, you know, the cap had just started in the mid-90s, and Stephen Jones was like their cap guy. And Jerry didn't even ask him, it signs Dionne Sanders. And at the time, gives him like $13 million signing bonus to sign with the Cowboys

after he had just won the Super Bowl with the Niners. And basically the way they did it, gave him $13 million up front, and then they paid him the veteran minimum for the next couple years. But they gave him a ton of cash relative to the NFL at the time. And Stephen Jones was in this clip going,

I looked at Jerry. I said, do you understand how mad it's going to make all these accomplished guys in our locker room? And Jerry said, don't worry, I will handle it. Like, it's on me to let Emmett Smith, Troy Aikman, and Michael Irvin know why we did this. And even if they were mad, Dionne Sanders was in the peak of his powers. Like, when you trade or sign Dion Sanders, everyone in the mid-90s goes,

this is one of the best players in football. This guy has a chance to go down. It's one of the greatest players ever. So even if you do bring in someone to your locker room that you go, you know, this guy's now the highest pay guy in our locker room. We're a locker room full of guys that have had success. But hey, this is one of the better players in the league, right? If you go, if Miles Garrett, instead of signing with the Brown,

had been like, listen, you guys are going to trade me, and Jimmy Haslam would be like, okay, we'll trade you. Trades him to the Lions, right? And they give him an huge contract that he just got. Obviously, he would immediately become their highest paid player, but I think people in the locker room would go, yeah, it's one of the best players in the league. You trade from Miles Garrett, you trade from Max Crosby. It's easy for people in the locker room to understand. When you trade for Laramie Tunzel, even if he's a really good player, you go, isn't this guy just the left tackle for one of the worst offensive lines in the league? and he's going to want a ton of money

I know you just traded for him to eventually sign him you trade for Debo who like isn't the thing with this guy been he's like fat and out of shape and now we both make the same amount of money this year on this team like it's easy to get locker room dynamics that we're dealing with human beings here that all their information like sometimes information in what we do

unless you know the right people you don't know what your colleague makes you don't know what other people make you know, for your company. So if you found out and someone that you thought you were five times more productive than was making two times more money than you,

guess what would happen? You would be pissed off. What would happen if they brought someone into the company that you think you are 100% better than who has no loyalty to your company because he's never been a part of it? And you find out he's making the same money as you. You might be mad as well.

These are human reactions. and human, you know, emotions that naturally come out. It's why it's on your boss. It's why it's on people, you know, above you in the company to handle those situations as best they can't. No different than Washington. It's on Adam. It's on Dan Quinn to try to handle these situations. But sometimes, you know, these guys are all rich, but money is about respect.

And when you feel disrespected, things can get weird. And the moment they get weird, things can kind of unravel. It's why year to year there is no, it's like what the Patriots is. did for 20 years, is incredible. They've kept on winning. What the chiefs have done these last five or six years is awesome. If the Eagles go back to back, that is such an incredible accomplishment. Hell, if you just tell me like, hey, they're back in the NFC championship game.

Like, that's really, really impressive. It's hard to do it year to year. It's really, really hard to sustain winning. Because as Charvarius Ward said in this article to Mike Silver, when you're good and you start winning, everyone wants more money. Right? It's like Pat Riley talked about it. It's a disease of me, disease of more.

And I remember John Lynch or Warren Sapp or there was a documentary done on those Buccaneers teams. And it's like that year after they won the Super Bowl, a couple contract holdouts, a couple dudes like names on restaurants. It's like, okay, we're getting a little, you know, can we keep the focus, the main thing, the main thing? And it's hard because it was a business. Well, yeah, it is a business. where you're dealing with human beings

they're young making a ton of money and easily have huge egos and easily disrespected. It's a tough business to handle this. I've always given a lot of respect. It's like, well anyone Joe Tori won with some of those Yankee teams. It's hard to coach stars. You try to coach Kobe Shaq and Michael Jordan.

Godspeed, bet most of you couldn't. Ask everyone that tried to coach LeBron. He won't fucking listen to anybody. So it's like it's harder to coach big egos, big stars than it is no buddies. and typically the more you win in pro sports, especially football, the bigger your stardom becomes, the bigger your name becomes, and the more money you want. So I think it's safe to say that Washington has a legitimate problem on their hands.

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John Madden lived in Northern California. John Madden was someone who was integral and played a massive role in my life as growing up a football fan. Him calling the Niners, Packers, and Cowboy Games in the mid to late 90s is something that I consumed, which obviously helped lead me to where we're sitting today. My love of football begin watching football games with John Madden on the mic. And like most kids, I love playing the Madden video games, though I don't play video games anymore. So reacting to the Madden list of rankings, I'd be lying if I said I cared that much. But I don't think you could list guys.

I got no problem giving people 99s, right? Great players, high rankings. And if you're going to do it at quarterback, have no problem. if you go, you know, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson are going to get 99s. But if you do that, you have to give Patrick Mahomes the same number. You just do, middle copy wasn't as good. Every single game that has ever mattered when he played those two guys, his team wins. And he plays a major role in that fact.

Like, that is an undeniable spot where we're at. Yet those guys, somehow Patrick Mahomes is the fourth-ranked guy on Madden, which, listen, do I think the Chiefs, like live in this level of anger and animosity at the disrespect others give them. I don't. But I do think we've never seen it, definitely in my life, a team that has accomplished more, get their star player slash their organization, get less credit.

Like when I was a kid, once Michael established himself as the big dog, the Bulls were favored every single year. If the Bulls didn't win and Michael was playing, it was stunning. What Tom Brady and the Patriots became after those first couple years, you just thought they were always going to, it was shocking when they lost in the Super Bowl or lost in the AFC championship. I mean, stunning. Yet somehow, and listen, I bought into it two years ago.

I bet on the Chiefs or bet against the Chiefs three straight weeks. They were an underdog against the Bills. They were an underdog against the Ravens and they were underdog against the 49ers. They won all the games. And last year, playing the Bills, AFC Championship. What happens? They went again. And I looked at Draft Kings earlier today, because I think I'm about dabbling a little.

I actually kind of like, I think the best odds on the board would be splitting a bet somewhere on like Denver or the Chargers to win the AFC and Denver and the Chargers potentially to win the division. Though that's just, that's just best odds. One thing that is not the best odds is somehow the Chiefs that have won the conference five of the last six years, five of the last six years are not even the favorite to win the conference again. A team that they've beat like four times in the playoffs, the Bills. Another team in which

I was told, this is one of the best teams we've ever seen two years ago, best defense. She's beat them on the road. The Ravens and the Bills right now, obviously they're both heavy favorites to win their division. The Bills, I mean, feel like the lock of all locks to win their division and it'd be a little stunning if the Ravens

didn't win their division. but they're not just the favorites to win the conference, they're also the favorites to win the Super Bowl. They have better odds at 7 to 1 to win the Super Bowl than the defending Super Bowl champs who essentially bring back everybody and are completely loaded and don't have to play each other because they're in the different conference.

And the Chiefs who have slayed both these two teams over the course of the last half decade have worse odds than both of them. it honestly is kind of crazy. The amount of disrespect from a gambling standpoint, from a video game standpoint, that it's like,

oh yeah, these guys are just better than the Chiefs. I remember, you know, on the peak of Steph Curry's, you know, powers. You know, sometimes like James Harden

would win the MVP. It's like, does anyone believe that James Hardin's better in Steph Curry? It's like how Chris Paul is the best. Point God. Well, what does that make Steph?

You know, you could, if you had a year where you put their rankings and one guy was above the other? It's like James Harden's a 98 in this video game and Steph said 95. It's like, is there a human alive, especially working in the league that would take that guy over this guy? It's like we all acknowledge, you know, Mahomes, one of the greatest players we've ever seen,

accomplished the most, wins the most, and just gets it done when it matters the most all the time. It's like, yeah, these other two guys. And listen, I think that Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen are two of the better players. players I've ever seen. They're guys that should walk straight into the Hall of Fame. But if they don't get it, like, if not now, then when? Now, I've been saying this for a while. There's been one team over the course the last six, seven years that could truly be disappointed if they didn't win the Super Bowl. That was the Chiefs. And up until last year, I think there were a couple teams, the Eagles,

the Niners, that could be disappointed if they lost in the Super Bowl, you know, or if they didn't make the Super Bowl, but it's like, you know, the Niners, you guys haven't won a Super Bowl since the mid-90s. The Eagles, you won one Super Bowl in the history of your franchise in 2017. Getting the Super Bowl is a really, really big deal. Now, if you get disappointed, you lose in the first round, I totally understand it. But is it truly Super Bowl or bust? Now, you could argue this year with the Eagles bringing most people back, could be Super Bowl or bust. I would say anything less than a Super Bowl appearance for the Bills or the Ravens would have to be viewed assuming, you know, all this stuff is assuming quarterback health, a major, major disappointment.

They're the betting favorites. Fuck Madden's giving their quarterbacks 99 rankings. And it's like they never won that game. The Bills have been in that position several times. The Ravens were in that position last year or two years ago. Then they fail every single time. So it's like, listen, everyone is acknowledging these two teams, these two guys in the peak of their powers, excellent defensive coaches, excellent cultures in the franchises.

but it feels a little now or never, or you kind of start to become like one of those teams. It's like, oh yeah, just sexy regular season team, really good, but you can't totally depend on them when it matters the most. Speaking of young quarterbacks, think of what an advantage. You know, Caleb is in the headlines constantly, right? Ben Johnson, the training camp. I'd say J.J. McCarthy's a little bit like this,

though we know the coach, we know the defense, we know the roster is really good. Like there are a lot of question marks with the Bears. But Jaden Daniels and Bo Nicks are two guys that get to come into this training camp where there is no turnover in terms of their play caller, their head coach, their general manager, their overall organization.

It is the same exact cultural philosophy, schematic ideas and plays that they were running last year. So the advantage they have of just working on their leadership, working on their growth, working on just getting better, is much easier when you already know the plays. When you already know the plays you like, when you don't like the things you need to work on.

Caleb Williams is coming into this, drinking out of a fire hose, as any new player is, or any young player is, with a new coach and new scheme, it's intense. So whenever I read headlines, like, oh, just offense had a shitty day. It's like, yeah, it's going to happen. this isn't easy

like this is difficult but he's at a pretty big disadvantage relative to these other guys and that's we're comparing like part of Caleb is being compared to the class right everyone thought Sean Payton was an idiot

for taking bow necks I think the Broncos are going to be pretty good they're going to have one of the best defenses if not the best defense in the league they had Greenlaw and Hufunga who you know Greenlaw is one of the more physical players in the NFL and Hufenga a couple years ago was an all pro so it's like

their defense was already elite. So you had those two guys, assuming that just one of them's healthy, let alone two of them, big additions. And then offensively, they're just going to be better. Their quarterback was pretty damn good last year for a rookie. This year, he's going to be much more comfortable in this offense. The head coach is an offensive coordinator, and they add this young running back,

which clearly the coach is really high on. I would say the coach has some experience of dealing with pretty good running backs. So, like, it's going to be a good running back. it's going to be pretty difficult. Like Caleb's going to have to play pretty well. Ben Johnson's going to have to coach pretty well. And this thing's going to have to come together pretty quickly. This is the hard part about this modern day 2025 NFL.

It's not like, hey, give them a couple years, they'll figure it out. Because if these guys have really good years and their teams are really good again, right, we know how good Washington was. If the Broncos take a step and are much more of a real threat, even if the bears make progress and look like, They're heading in the right direction and they win like eight games. It'll be viewed like these other guys are in a different universe than him. So I think, you know, sometimes in football for young players, having cohesion.

And listen, I don't blame the bears for firing everybody. I would have done it to hiring Ben Johnson's a no-brainer. But that transition, Ben's got to learn on the job. Ben's never been the head coach slash also called the place. And had to deal with like as guys get in trouble, as guys get, as guys get, as guys get injured as guys feelings get hurt because they get bench like that's all the stuff you have to deal with i was watching um the lions do as it's called like the den or something it's on on their youtube page it's really really well done and i was just watching how they put their staff together

and some of the guys they hired i mean they hired north dakota's long time offensive coordinator they brought in david shaw they bring in johnny morton who's been with cruy and and Sean Payton forever and really highly thought of and just some of the guys that they've brought into their coaching staff. It's all about Dan Campbell. Like he's the guy setting the tone, interviewing these guys, running the culture, and he just, listen, are the Lions possibly going to take a little step back? Potentially, yeah.

Maybe they're not a 15-win team and maybe they're 11-win team, right? But I'm pretty confident with him leading the charge. I call him the third Harbaugh brother that they're going to win, that they're going to have a good season. and you feel that way about John Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh. It's like, why are people buying into the Raiders? Because, like, Pete Carroll knows what he's doing? What Pete say like last week? They're like, what are your expectations this year?

He's like, to win? He's like, I've been winning 10 plus games for 20 years. I think I showed up here to lose. I don't know if you realize. I've been making a lot of, I don't need the money. I'm not here to get some extra paychecks. I'm here to win. And obviously, all coaches want to win,

but I think some guys have to figure out how to win before. And I think that's a huge, you know, question mark, I think, with the bears. And I would say for the other young quarterbacks, I'd say the same thing with Michael Penix, who I'm a big fan of. But that's an organization that has just not been winning. We have no clue if their head coach, if their coordinators know how to win, right? So learning and figuring that out is a really, really big deal, no matter how much talent you have, no matter how many good players you draft. Right? This is two things really matter in football. baseball, besides, like, the physical characteristics and the scheme and all that stuff.

Chemistry matters. Chemistry really matters. And cohesion and playing together for a while matters. This is not one of those... It's why college football, you know, has become more interesting in the sense of how many transfer guys they have? Like, one big advantage for Ohio State last year is most of their guys returned, right? Now, they added Caleb Downs.

They added Will Howard. They added a couple pieces. Jeremiah Smith was a true freshman, but the core of their team were returning players. Two years ago, when Harbaugh and Michigan won the national championship, what did they hang their hat on? The same core group of guys, like the 21 of the 22 starters,

had played together for years, years. It's kind of like that in football. What's a huge advantage of the Chiefs have had? All their guys played together. And sometimes building that level of cohesion, especially with a new coach on the job, can be really, really challenging. Like, well, what about Drake May and Josh McDaniels? Yeah, I mean, it's going to be a work in progress.

Josh's offense, one, when he's left the umbrella of Brady and Bill, has not been good, you know? And he's got Drake May, they don't have that many pieces, but where I feel good is like their head coach knows what he's doing. And this is a coach and quarterback league. So, yeah, I don't feel that great just because he's an unknown on Drake May. but I'm a big believer in the head coach. And when you're a big believer in the head coach, we learned this last year with the Chargers. Everyone's like, oh, the team's not good enough. They got rid of Mike Williams.

I got rid of Keenan Allen. Who's he going to throw to? I don't know. They got fucking Jim Harbaugh. And when you have that guy, you'll figure it out. Like, I don't know if the Raiders team is good enough, slash their division is so good. And honestly, their record, you know,

they only could win a couple more games. Like, if they go 7 and 10 this year, it wouldn't shock me. but it would be like, oh, they'd be a respectable team. You better buckle your chin strap every time you play them. Because whoever they're rolling out, like, they're going to know what they're doing. They're going to know what's expected. Is their talent going to be good enough? I don't know.

But you better get ready. And that's, I think when you look at this league, like, you know, Ben Johnson, it's just, I know he's a good play caller, but he never had to deal with this stuff because Dan Campbell handled it all. Like Rahim Morris, like obviously a good guy. Sean McVeigh loves him, the media loves him.

Does he know what he's doing? Does he have any clue what he's doing as a head coach? Because we've seen great, Vic Fangio is an elite defensive coordinator. At head coach is completely over his head.

So I'm just, I'm fascinated with that aspect of kind of that class. And as we know, we always assume like all these guys are going to hit. Historically, if there are four quarterbacks

drafted in the first round, we know two of them are going to suck, right? And if one of them becomes like an all pro, that's a hit. And the other guy's a multi-year, or multi-contract guy, that's a win. Well, there were six guys drafted in the top 15. And, you know, if we assume

Jayden Daniels and Bo Nicks are going nowhere, some of these other guys are going to be flops. Some of these other guys are not going to work. So I don't know. Better buckle up. Anyone when, And if you're married, depending on how long you know, like when you first started dating your wife, that honeymoon phase. Obviously, for some of you single guys, there's been in different relationships.

There's nothing like that, that early time when you're dating someone. Like, if you go on to date them for a year, two years or whatever, that first couple months is pretty special, right? You're having sex with someone new. You just, everything's happy. The expectations of just being around someone new. you don't the judgment on different things are just you're just so much more open-minded to everything and obviously the sex helps but it's just it's just a great time and that honeymoon phase is for most people the easiest time in their relationship and then eventually if you date someone long

enough you're going to hit some rocky times you're going to have a big disagreement you're going to have a bad fight maybe you have a reaction the more and more you start hanging out with people's family and people start wanting you to do things that you don't want to do and you kind of, you go through a period where it's like, okay, is this really going to happen? Are we really in this for the long haul? Or are we going to go our separate ways right now? So that honeymoon phase, whenever it does come to an end, it comes to a screeching halt. It doesn't mean that some of those good things don't continue ideally the rest of your life if you stay with the person, but life becomes real, right? It doesn't just become fantasy. And I think sometimes in training,

camp. I'm watching McAfee yesterday at Steelers camp. And you talk about the honeymoon phase. You got Mike Tomlin smiling ear to ear talking about Rogers. You look at Rogers, you know, for this quote unquote guy that's polarizing, he looks, the place is chanting for him. He's smiling. He's having a blast. You got T.J. Watt, new contract, ear to ear smile. You got new DBs. You got the GM. It's like, God, am I underestimating the. Am I underestimating the Steelers, and then I started thinking, you got to be careful. Even Rogers mentioned this. Everyone's zero and zero right now. No one's lost a game. Everyone, for the most part, as long as you don't have any major injuries,

is pretty happy during this period of time, right? Everyone's in a pretty good mood. I do feel when I watched the Steelers, felt like they were in extra good mood, but they're going to be defined. Like, obviously they got some big name guys. And they got talent on the team. And they got a roster who, unlike some of those things we just talked about with the Bears, They've won. They know how to win. Now, do they know how to win big enough games? Obviously, they haven't been doing that lately, but they've won a lot of games for a reason. They're a well-run operation. They're going to be tested after something weird happens, whether it's a major injury in the season, whether it's a two-game losing streak, and their relationship, especially Mike

and Aaron and Arthur Smith and the cohesion of the group, Jalen Ramsey, how that comes together. And honestly, like the relationship, you can guess, you can assume it's going to go well, but you never know till you're in it. And here's the other thing. Sometimes in a relationship, when you hit hard times, when you hit a bad fight, sometimes you realize like, I actually don't really like this person that much. I don't really want to figure out how to work through this. And there are other times where you're like, I will do anything possible to make sure this works out.

I'll look in the mirror I'll be introspective I'll fix these problems we saw the Jets because they had the same honeymoon type phase with Aaron Rogers and then they hit hard times and everyone just kind of tapped out

and it was a disaster because no different than relationship teams are the same way some people look at each other and they're like I will fight for you right I will fight for the man next to me I will fight for my coaches I will run through a wall for these guys

even though we just went one in three in the month of October. And now we started 4 and 0, now we are 5 and 3 and lost 3 of our last 4 games. We are trending, but we're going to dig our way out of this. And we see teams all the time go one way or the other. And one thing that they are going to battle is in terms of chemistry as a group, these guys haven't been together for that long. And one thing I did see there, and I do agree with, there is a power in going away for trading camp.

There is just a natural bonding of having to spend a lot of time together, which you don't necessarily do. And I understand why these teams, like when I was with the Eagles, Andy Reid loved going away. He went to Lehigh. He went to Kansas City. They go away as well. The Steelers have been going to La Trobe, I think, since the 60s.

Some of these teams still go away. The 49ers do not. The Raiders do not. The Eagles no longer do. so obviously it's much easier from an infrastructure standpoint with your meeting rooms and everything to do but the chemistry unless you already have it built in could be difficult to build because it's 7 o'clock when maybe a meeting ends you're like hey we got tomorrow off everyone can just go home you might just want to go home and go to your bed well if you're at training camp together

it's like well let's do something we're all here together what else are we going to do that that is a big advantage for the Steelers and i do wonder even the last couple years when their talent hasn't been quite as high as some of these other teams. If that does benefit them, just their short, microwave chemistry session during the three weeks at Latrobe. It cannot be a negative.

I have a theory. And most of you probably saw the Scotty Schaeffler video several weeks ago that went viral about how golf essentially does not define his life. And sometimes he asks himself, like, what's the point of this all? and I think I talked about it last week

and basically if it ever impacted his family life he would just quit and Tom Brady I think there's a newsletter I might need to subscribe to that was almost offended and essentially said like why do your family and your profession need to be mutually exclusive

like aren't they intertwined and a Clifdel version of what he said is essentially like part of my work ethic and my desire and drive to be great at football and try to win was showing my children as an example of what it's like to work hard. And I do agree as someone who's not a parent yet, but obviously you saw my dad growing up and my other close friends parents who some of these guys were really, really successful. You know, as a parent, I think your number one job beside like early on keeping them alive, breathing and eating is as they age, you know, follow your lead. Be a good example for them on how to treat people,

on what it's like to work hard, on what it's like to deal with your mother or their mother in a proper fashion and a manner. But I do somewhat agree with Brady as they shouldn't be mutually exclusive. But I have a theory. And I look this up. In Tom Brady's first 10 years in the NFL,

and obviously Tom came in, in 2000. So through the 2000s, he had made $75 million. He'd won an MVP. He'd been to, I think, four Super Bowls. He'd won three of them. He had been, he was just an absolute rock start. Don't get me wrong. Seventy-five million in 2010, that's a ton of money. Like Tom Brady was rich then. But the level of money that these guys earn now, basketball, football, baseball, golf is in a different stratosphere. For example, Scottie Sheffler, it's basically the end of July, so

the last 19 months, so the seven this year, the two last year, I would guess, give or take, and honestly in the next month, it could be $120 million. He plays golf for a living and made $120 million on the course.

To put that into context, Tiger Woods over the course of his on-course career made $120 million. dollars. So my point is, and I've always said this, I admire people like Tom, like Tiger, like all these individuals that basically till their body gives out on them. Payton was the same way. The money they are completely unfazed by it. And I do believe that Scotty is unfazed by. But when you make that much money, that fast, because Scott and Schaeffer really became a good PJ tour player, like three years ago. And then two years later, boom, he's made $100 million on the course,

and factoring it. I'm sorry, that would just change your life in the way you view things a little bit. I don't care who you are. And I see it with these, I was listening to someone the other day discussing the NBA. You know, before, especially when I was a kid,

these guys were making good money. Like if you were a good NBA player, you made $5, $6, $7 million. But you could basically double that by working with corporations, being on commercials. Like most NBA stars when I was a kid were prominent members of commercials

and obviously from a shoe standpoint weren't just shoe salesmen they literally went to places and pushed shoes because it was a way for them to make a ton of money. Well now you get guys like let's use Devin Booker for example who I think's a good player I don't know, was just on a team that was god awful is going to be making over $70 million a year playing basketball

in what line of work outside of basketball could someone pay him enough money to go yeah i'm not interested shoe company too like he doesn't need to do anything so there is a level of once you get to a certain position and a certain level of wealth which now these guys make more money than like guys in the top 10 20 companies in america i mean how many w2 employees in place make 50, 60, 70, 80 million dollars a year. Got news for you. The list is small. People that do not own the entity.

Like what Roger Goodell, the money he makes, it's kind of unique, right? Obviously, he's, I guess, the leader, kind of, I mean, the owners kind of are. But he works for the owners that have this several, I don't know how we'd value the NFL, but worth billions upon billions upon billions of dollars on a yearly basis. But he doesn't own anything. It's like he owns a business. team doesn't own the league doesn't own the media right he owns nothing he's just an employee and i think sometimes when you get to that it's like shit i don't need any what's all this for like i don't

i have no worries in the world so i i do understand where scottie's coming from i understand where tom's coming from and this is what whenever i get asked about players when you're scouting a player and gms reiterate this all the time every person's their own just like me and my brother we're very different. I'm sure anyone listening to this that has siblings, they're very different. Anyone that has multiple kids, like their personalities are much different. If you get two multiple dogs in your house, usually one dog and the other dog, they act way different. So part of life is everyone thinks a little bit differently. And that helps, I would say, make up an interesting or the ability for these guys to be interesting because they're not all the same.

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Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Okay, let's end on this. Fugazi Friday. I try more now than ever to just spend less time on the internet scrolling and getting angry. because I would say a decade ago, five years ago, you just spend so much time getting worked up about like, what is the point? Why am I mad over some person's take on something that I honestly,

I would never meet this person. If I did meet this person, I would never spend a second with this person. I hate this person's opinion that before social media, you wouldn't even know that person existed. And nowadays, people just argue back and forth in the comments and nothing is accomplished, right? You go to YouTube, you go to like the athletic, any article, people just be arguing in the comments. Like, what is the point of any of this?

I do think the word controversy used to like hold some weight, right? Like, it's controversial. Should we go to war? Should we raise taxes, right? Or something, let's use. a sports analogy. Like Barry Bonds and those guys using steroids. Tom Brady, should he get suspended for deflating the balls?

Belichick using cameras to steal signals on the field against the Jets in 2007. Now, there would be people depending on what side you were on, who you were associated with. You would have an opinion on the controversy. But I think we'd all agree, like there were things that were clear. controversies. Now with social media that an ad, you know, it's funny is I think sometimes these controversies in a weird way are such like in a niche lane yet they become so mainstream because people that still

hold these jobs like I'm the producer of Good Morning America or I'm the producer of some show or whatever. Where do I get my information now? It's not the LA Times. I'm not surfing the San Francisco Chronicle. I'm on Instagram, Twitter. That's where I'm getting my information. And in fairness, like, I get a lot of podcast topics from social media. I'm not against gathering information on social media.

But I think sometimes Sidney, who ironically, my wife, who's a 33-year-old woman, who, you know, is on social media, sees things. I brought it up like, hey, that American Eagle had Sydney Sweet me? She's like, what are you talking about? She had no clue what I was talking about. And I think three or four days ago, If you just went to the street and brought this up, like have you seen the controversy of the American Eagle Sydney Sweeney ad?

People would have looked at you like you had three heads. One, they wouldn't even know what the ad was. And two, if you tried to explain it to them, they probably just would have walked away. Like, what the bleep are you talking about? You whack job? I think nowadays that you could do anything. And someone, and in this situation,

some like fat, smelly, ugly white, chick could just post how offended they were by a commercial. And in theory, no one should see that post and no one with common sense or a brain, if they did see the post, would spend more than two seconds on the post, let alone thinking there is like validity behind the post. But nowadays, if something happens and you post the extreme opposite view and you throw in you know, some buzzwords like racism, supremacists, Sidney, Sweeney, all of a sudden, people repost you on the opposite side,

and then you create a controversy out of thin air. Something that did not exist now exists, and then all these producers of these shows that need to fill different airtime, start going, we got something here. And then a controversy is created literally from nothing. and I am not anti-technology, social media, the iPhone, just in general, because I think most of this stuff kind of starts and ends there, right? It doesn't end there, but really starts and catapults from there.

But I have made my career over the last decade because of that thing. I owe a lot, I owe the house I'm sitting in here right now because of technology and because of that iPhone. I do think it has led to situations like this which you try not to pay that much attention to like this is stupid, it's going to go away and then you feel like three, four, five days later not only is it's not going away, every single human is talking about this

and it's like how did we get here? It's like Stephen Colbert he was fired, right? And it became a huge controversy. It's like, I can't believe did the government force CBS to fire him? And then it comes out, he had been losing $40 to $50 million

a year. He had a staff of 200 people. And this is an industry that's like, well, hey, it's just a weird year, right? They'll be fine. Like this year, they'll probably, you know, turn a profit. It's like, no. They have lost over half their advertisers in the last eight years. Their average viewer age is close to 70. They are fucked. If this was a stock, you would short the living shit out of that show, if you could. And if you could. And if you you could have, you would have just made a ton of money. Yet it becomes controversial because people are like, oh my God, this happened.

No, this is capitalism and business and this show is a dog. I mean, this show, in any other line of work, in a podcast, if I was in a similar situation, even if the numbers were different, right, we're not talking 50 million, let's say I'm losing a couple million dollars. If you fired me, there is zero controversy. You are bad for my business. That is what that is. and these things now, because people can go on these rants,

even if you just have 100 followers, then someone with a big following picks it up, who's anti-what-you're saying, amplifies it, and then it just becomes in the ring of people arguing back and forth, and nothing actually happens. Beside the fact that anyone with the brain goes, that is fucking moronic. What are we talking about?

And I just think we've crossed the line where anyone can just stand up be like, why are we talking about this? Like, why is this happening? And it feels like it happens all the time now. It's something out of nowhere that no one, or at least 99.9% of anyone you or I would meet or know would even think twice about. And then it just becomes something. And then it not only becomes something, it just grows and grows and grows.

It's like you had fertilizer to it, you add some gasoline to it, you light the match. And all of a sudden it's like, is this the biggest story now in America? How is this possible? And I, listen, this is, I guess so my Fugazi is like, I just don't know what happened to like normal controversies. They were just like, we all could agree on like, that's pretty crazy. That's pretty nuts. Right? Like, OJ Simpson getting off.

Like, did he kill her? Like, that was like everyone had an opinion. That was a legit story. The Sidney's a sweet story. Yet in a weird way, because of the process and the creation of social media has become one. Like, do you think you could meet any human being if this story had never happened, right? And the ad just existed. That ever would have mentioned it?

Besides, like, yeah, she's fucking hot, man. She looks good in those jeans. No, I don't believe so. I believe that to my core, to my soul. But that's not the world we live in anymore. The volume. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers.

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