The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Thanksgiving Day Football Recap

Episode Date: November 29, 2024

John reacts to the Thanksgiving Day slate of games, but diving into the Packers big win over the Dolphins and how Jordan Love is showing that he's an elite QB in the league and how Tua is showing everyone that he can't win in cold weather. Later, he dives into how the Lions are the best team in the NFC and how the Bears coaching issues continue. Lastly, John dives into the trainwreck that is the NY Giants and how the Cowboys could somehow still win 9 games this season. Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Happy Thanksgiving. Cheers! From my family to yours. Hopefully everyone had a great Thanksgiving. I said one massive meal today. It's weird because today is such a great day. and you're eating, you're like, it's not that unhealthy, but you eat so much. I just can't help it.

The older you get, you think you'd be like, yeah, you don't need to eat that much, but you just stuff your face. Didn't move, watched a lot of football. That's what we will be talking about here. The Packers, House the Dolphins, the Cowboys beat the Giants, and the Chicago Bears lose again. No guarantee they would have won, but Iber Fluse clearly, made sure of that that they did not by his timeout situation.

So we will dive into all that as well as something I saw from Roger Goodell today. So hopefully everyone had a great day. And here's the game plan. We're going to have no reaction to Chiefs Raiders. Just try to enjoy a couple days here. And then we will be back on the football horse come Sunday. I will do what we do every week afternoon with Colin. And then Sunday night, Bills versus the 49ers.

So that could be an ass kicking if the Niners don't get it together and get it together quick. But that will be the game plan for the next couple days. So this was just a little impromptuio. I thought, you know, we didn't go anywhere. Just order some food. Fugazi Friday, but today's a positive day. So we're going to enjoy it. Nothing negative.

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involving Tua Tua Tua and how they play in cold weather. Tua's record now is 0 and 8 in games under 40 degrees. Miami now has a putrid record over the last like 15 games in cold weather games. They have looked terrible in most primetime games under Mike McDaniel. And when you factor in now recent cold weather games

going back the last two years in both December's and obviously in the two playoff games against the bills and the chiefs, it has not gone well. And today, you know, when I started recording, it was 30 to 17, the number looks a little closer than the game was. And the weather today in Miami was 85 degrees, which has to be one of the nicest climates on Thanksgiving Day in all of America. Hell, where I live in Scottsdale,

which is an incredible winter climate. It's like 72 degrees. 85 degrees. That's about as good as you get. And then they showed during the broadcast when it started snowing. It was like 27 degrees in Green Bay, which I would imagine feels even colder when you factor in the wind and the snow coming down.

So you have basically a 60 degree difference between Miami and Green Bay, Wisconsin. And listen, I'm someone who born and raised in a warm weather climate. I fucking hate the cold. I used to like skiing. Now I don't want to risk getting injured or anything. So I don't even, if I'm going to go to the mountains, I'm basically just drinking and hanging.

During the winter. Summer do normal activities. But winter, like, you won't find me on the slopes anymore. Especially because these lift tickets are like Squaw Valley and North. star in places in Lake Tahoe, like $700 for a day. But that's a whole other story. But the reality is just these are human beings. And let's face it, Miami, I wouldn't say, is built like the 85 pairs, right? From a physical toughness standpoint, the way they want to play, spread the ball out and sling it around. This is inevitable. What human being, what group of human beings could have a

60 degree difference from 85 degrees to 25 degrees playing a sport like football and have a snowball's chance in hell to compete like it's not that complicated this is one of those that's very black and white of course they don't translate well to these cold weather games it's basically impossible to in what world they mike macdaniel made a joke this week I think on his press conference on Monday or Tuesday They asked him what he was gonna do to get ready And you know he's kind of a quirky His press conferences are a little weird

He joked that he was gonna have ice cubes in his pockets And everyone laughed he he he What could he do? Honestly, what could he possibly do To prepare for that changing climate? There is one time one of this one of the most famous viral photos of the internet age with the San Francisco 49ers was when Chip Kelly was the coach of the Niners. And they had one of their worst seasons in franchise history. And I think statistically

the worst defense ever. I forget who they played. It might have been Tampa and they stayed or might have been Miami. And they stayed in Florida. And they were playing the bears the following week. So they basically didn't come home. And the weather in Chicago was supposed to be bad. Turns out it was. It's like a snowstorm. And there was this clip of someone like spraying water on the kicker or a guy catching the

ball. I mean, it was pretty embarrassing. And then they went and played the Bears. And I'm pretty sure Matt Barkley was the quarterback. And they lost by several touchdowns. And the visual did not do justice to the final score. like it's just hard when you have that. But like there's nothing you can do to prepare for that weather

unless you travel immediately to that weather and play in it. And then let's face it like when you scout or when you work for a team and you coach and you're getting ready to pick players to come to your team. And we've talked about this before. Defensive players kind of translate. Like if you're a physical defender, whether you're a warm weather team,

whether you're a cold weather team, I'm going to want you on myself. squad. But offensive guys, like, I gotta do some digging, specifically with quarterbacks. And you watch Jordan Love and you go, I see why Gutikins and LaFleur liked him a lot. You see, I mean, obviously he's turned into a really good player and, I mean, he's got a chance. I mean, he's going to go to the playoffs again for the Green Bay Packers starting quarterback. They're going to easily win double digit games. He's just a very, very talented guy. but his arm strength really stands out

because you could not be the Green Bay Packers quarterback with a weak arm. You have no fucking chance. None. Just like playing in New York, playing in New England, playing in Philadelphia, playing in colder weather spots.

If you do not have a strong arm, it's hard to play in that, you know, wind, cold. It's tough. It's why we talk about hand size. It always goes becomes a big

part of the conversation. Sometimes it goes viral when people are making fun of these quarterbacks with small hands. And it matters because when it starts raining it's hard to grip the ball. Well, if you play in Southern California

or in a dome, I'm like, who cares? Right? Jared Goff does not have big hands. Well, historically, he's never played that well outside. Well, most of his career, right, beside road games has been in Los Angeles and has been in a dome in Detroit. So you can kind of make up for it

based on your own ability to control the variables. So he's benefited from that. If you put him in New England or New York, it'd be much, or Cleveland, it'd be a lot harder. It's like you look back on them going for Deshaunne Watson and Cleveland, you're like, you're getting a dude from the South who does not have a big arm.

And this was before he sucked, even when he was playing well, it's like, ah, this is going to be tough. It's why Flacco had a lot of success. His ball pierces all the cold. The wind, the cold air. Like, it translates. Well, where's he from?

Delaware, PA, Penn State, Baltimore, Cleveland, like that shit works. And you watch Jordan Love, obviously they've turned them in to a really good player, but to me, you could never draft a quarterback

as like your franchise guy in Green Bay if they do not have a big arm. And it just happens that Favre might have one of the biggest arms in NFL history. Rogers isn't far behind and Jordan Love clearly is one of the best arms in the league.

So you just watch Miami, you go like, yeah, I understand you're watching them play in this game. They're just kind of dinking and dunkin. Because Tua's not going to be able to throw bombs. His arm does not going to work in that situation. And honestly, listen, I've gained

a lot of respect for Tua. Ever since the last fencing moment, like, he's, like, I get him. Like, and I understand why Saban liked him. I understand why Mike McDaniels likes him. I understand why he's just, he's an easy guy to root for. And he's probably a better quarterback than people like me that are critical of him. But this, if you gamble, honestly, I was kind of pissed at myself. I should have put 5x what I ended up putting on this game. And this was the only game that I'd bet of the day. Partly because the morning games, you're like, you're going to be watching them anyway.

I needed a little juice to watch this thing. It's been a long day. You've had a bunch of food. I wanted to be into it. But also I knew, like, there's no chance of Miami's going to win this game. Absolutely zero. When you factor in the franchise,

when you factor in their quarterback, when you factor in their coach and what happened. They get their fucking ass kicked. It was 24 to 3 at halftime. And it didn't even feel that close. So you look at some of these final scores. It's like same thing with the second game With the Giants and the Cowboys

Like what was the final score? 27-20 It was a one-score game That was an ass-kicking But you know the Packers It's funny They're a big trait-driven organization And I was thinking

I mentioned earlier The sweet potato pie Is One of the wildest experiences I've ever had Because at this point in time besides like some delicacies and things that you would have at some of these like restaurants that you know these foo restaurants that I'm probably never going to and and don't really aspire to go to

uh you know like movie or shows like the bear like stuff like that I'm not really into that type food but for the most part I've I've probably dabbled in most foods especially when it comes to desserts now I'm not a huge pie guy to begin with but I'm I would say that I've, I've had most pies. I'd never had sweet potato pie. And it blew my mind. I was like, how do more people not discuss this pie like we do apple, like we do pumpkin? Like, when you think about it, when you just talk about pies, apple pie, and pumpkin pie, I would say are the most consistently discussed pies.

I saw today, as most of you did as well. when we were watching the Sunday night game and they put up Matt LaFleur his favorite food on Thanksgiving is ribbi I like Matt LaFleur a lot that is insanity I mean that truly is you can eat a ribby

354 how many days are there 365 365 364 days of year to choose ribbi like because I don't like turkey it's like come on man they need some ham you're not eating a ribai

a ribai on Thanksgiving I'll give you a prime rib but like come on we need to have a conversation with Matt but listen you see that body type like he ain't putting many bad things into his body but you saw calais Campbell say banana cream pie and listen banana cream pie is pretty good uh i you know i once was invited over to andy reeds house on thanksgiving and i remember calling my parents i'm like well i got to bring something and they're like uh well go to one of the local bakeries it's philadelphia and i went in the local bakery and i said what's the best thing you have cake pie whatever like the banana cream pie so i walked right in

with that banana cream pie and it was fantastic but when it comes to sweet potato pie it was an eye opening experience i think it relates to NFL offenses because when i think we go who's the best NFL offense you go the Detroit lines right they got st. Brown they got laporta they got multiple running backs they got the offensive line they got ben jonsonsons unstoppable offense say the same thing the Baltimore Ravens. Lamar Jackson, he's going to win 15 MVP's. Derek Henry, going right to the Hall of Fame. Zay Flowers.

Next Tyree Kill. They got multiple tight ends. Offense is unstoppable. And I'm watching the Packers and I go, I don't feel like we talk enough about this offense relative to the best offense in the league. They have, you know, the quarterback can throw some picks. But when he's on, his talent and that arm strength threw a snowstorm. throwing dots.

They have Jaden Reed, which we definitely never talk about him when it comes to just high level wide receivers and I'm going, that guy could play for my team any day of the week. If Watson catches the ball, he literally runs by every

defensive back in the NFL. I take Wicks. Every time I watch the Packers, that guy makes him plays. Tucker, the tight end is fantastic. And Jacobs everyone and rightfully so. Sequin Barclay, Derek Henry.

It's like Josh Jacobs. I mean, this guy was a first round pick from Alabama. And I was saying last year coming into the year, I thought he was a better player than Seekwon. Now, Seekwon is a much faster running back. So when you get into the open field, but in terms of hands and pass protection, Josh Jacobs is about as complete of a running back as you will find.

Just a fantastic player. Oh yeah, their head coach. What is he? Oh, he's the offensive play caller. And I was also thinking like, you know, when you think big picture in the NFC North, everyone loves Dan Campbell

and what he's done with the Lions is remarkable. It really is. I mean, it's like taking over a bankrupt business and turning them into fucking Apple or Google. I mean, B11 and 1 with the Detroit Lions, who you just took to the NFC championship game and we're winning the game on the road.

it's awesome. I'm a Dan Campbell fan. There's a pretty good chance he loses both coordinators. You would think this is the year Ben Johnson accepts a head coaching job. Said it the moment Dennis Allen got fired. Aaron Glenn to the Saints,

it makes a ton of sense. Keep an eye, Aaron Glenn to the New Orleans Saints. So he's going to lose both of his coordinators. He's not the play caller. He's a hardball. So who he hires his coordinators and maybe he elevates some guys, but you never know.

It might not be the same. And Kevin O'Connell is a lot like LaFleurre. Stud, offensive coordinator, guy everyone likes. Look at his quarterback situation. Sam Darnold is going to be a free agent. That teams are going to be desperate. I'm sure he's going to get a lot of money and they'll probably be hesitant to pay him.

I've talked with Colin about it. I would not let him go, but that's not usually the way the business works in the NFL. They probably will. why do you think they signed Daniel Jones because they probably want to make Daniel Jones be the next Sam Darnold just in case Jay J.J. can't roll. I mean, G.J. tore his knee up.

And then he needed another surgery like a couple weeks ago. So we got major big picture question marks with the quarterback position with the Minnesota Vikings. And obviously the bears are just a shit show of an organization when it comes to coach and just an operation. So really, if you're the Packers, you're not competing against the Bears. You're competing against the Vikings and the Lions, who now have one team has a quarterback question, big picture,

and the other just going to have, you know, coordinator position, big picture question marks. Well, you have neither. Your quarterback is under a long-term deal. He's an excellent player. You can have moments that drives you nuts, but it's like I can live with it if he's explosive offensive player like he is. And you'd never have to worry about your offensive coordinator

being poached because he's the headman. And even your defensive coordinator, like, look what happened. He hired Afflead from Boston College. And more than likely, like, Halfley's going to be there for a couple years. So if I'm a Packer fan, you've got to be feeling pretty good about your chances. And looking forward,

you know, one thing with the Lions is watching that game, it felt like every three plays, there was a lion laying on the ground or limping off the field. It was insane. I started feeling bad I'm like this is bullshit if you're a Detroit Lion fan

and you're 30 40 50 years old you've waited your whole life for this moment and your team is incredible and it feels like over the last three it's one thing to lose Aidan Hutchson but the last couple weeks is like we are losing multiple players every game and I was like well no team

needs this mini buy or just some extra days off more than the Lions and maybe because I was like getting food ready and maybe they talked about in the broadcast. I had it muted for most of it. Well, you're watching the Packer game, who they play next week, they play next Thursday.

And the NFL's good at this. They usually take two of the teams that play today and they make them play next Thursday, which is kind of throwing them a bone. They get a real week. But you actually don't get the benefits of that mini-buy. And the Packers who are now, they're nine and three,

and you've got the Lions 11 and 1. It's not like there's some 70, game gap between the two of them. So all of a sudden, if you're the Packers, you feel pretty good going to Detroit where, let's face it, your team's kind of built like an indoor team. Your offense is humming, and you're getting a defense. Who knows how many guys

are going to be healthy for them. So this is the crazy part about the lion's season is it couldn't go any, they're fucking 11 and 1. The greatest start in the history of the franchise. And I would say for most franchises moving forward, like, you don't usually start 11 and 1. That is an incredible start. and they still got guys nipping on their heels.

Like by no means can they even take a deep breath. So it's, Packers are in a good position, man. This is a massive, what a great Thursday night game. One thing though that I did jot down, and this is, it's just something that interests me, maybe it interests you. One thing the Packers historically have always done,

and this is why they have Jordan Love, this is why they have Aaron Rogers, this is why they took a guy like Christian Watson from North Dakota State. They love what people call in the scouting community and GMs and college scouting directors term they use is height weight speed. They love height weight speed guys.

And height weight speed guys mean just like the opposite of Bryce Young or Tua. Big, strong, built guys that can move. Right. And Luke Van S who had a sack tonight, I remember hearing about him a couple years ago a lot because he was this rising prospect, this freak show from Iowa.

He had never started a game at Iowa, which isn't that crazy. Iowa has a good defense. They get a lot of guys drafted. But I would say if you've never started a game in college, to go, Luke Van Ness was drafted number 13 overall. And he's shown some signs. I'm watching him a night, like,

looks a little stiff to me. But I remember a lot of people liked him. A lot of people thought he was going to go really high in the draft, and he did. But he's never started a game now in a year and a half for the Green Bay Packers. And I think sometimes when you draft these height weight speed guys, the Packers love this because they historically had a lot of good coaches. So they can take these kind of raw products, Jordan Love, Luke Van S, Christian Watson,

and kind of mold you into a high-end player. And it works a lot for them. But also it can't burn you. It's like, now I looked at the draft, a lot of guys that went after him. there wasn't some like Micah Parsons didn't go next so it's not like they passed on some no-brainer a lot of offensive skill guys also went after

them they're clearly loaded at those positions so I'm not necessarily acting like they could have easily taken player X or player Y but it Goot listen this I would say these last two years

have been a pretty incredible moment for just a lifetime scout a guy that's worked at a organization since the late 90s, pretty big muscle flex. I was talking to a buddy in the league about this. He traded an all-time great quarterback, a lot like Pete Carroll and John Schneider did, that they did not want.

Like, I don't want this player anymore. We don't plan on starting him anymore. He's done with us. And we actually don't really think he can play that well anymore. And they got a first and a second round pick for the guy. obviously the Seattle Seahawks got a lot more for Russell Wilson now granted he was a lot younger but still like anytime you could get one first round pick like when the chiefs traded Tyree Kill it's not like they didn't still want Tyree Kill or they wouldn't be the first to acknowledge yeah he's one of the best players in the league we just have to pick and choose who we can pay right and we just this is going to be a bold move we think he's awesome we expect him to still be good but we just can't pay him 20. $25, $26, $27 million a year, whatever Miami ended up paying him, right?

But we're not acting like this guy is trending down. The Packers went, this guy, we're over this. We want out of this business. We want a divorce. You can have her. Except they got,

and honestly, if he hadn't torn his Achilles, they'd have got two first round picks. So Goot has been incredible. But I would say that pick, he got a little bold. And I talked to some other people that said, listen, on our draft boards, we liked him a lot too.

and I get it. I would say this. If you've, in football, in basketball, remember what's his name for the Carolina Tar Heels?

Was it not Rashad McCants? Marvin Williams back in like 2004, 2005, he didn't start on their national championship team and was drafted number two overall.

Now granted, I think all five starters got drafted, you know, team won the Natty. Basketball is not as, he was a true freshman. In college football, if you can't start, I probably shouldn't take you in the first round.

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That's right. The very funny Will Ferrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers. What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault.

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I didn't get caught. You know why? If you don't want to be suspected of anything, you whistle as you walk. Listen to crime lists on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. But let's stay in the AFC North. I think we kind of talked about with the lions like 11 and 1. I'm starting to get a little nervous for them

just how many guys are being injured. It's not even like guys getting carted off all the time. It felt like every other play today, someone would be holding their hand, someone would be holding their knee, someone would be limping off, someone would be shaking, and it's like, this is not a sustainable way.

We are not close enough to the end of the season, and they are by no means a lock, despite having the greatest season in franchise history, and feeling like the best team in the NFL to even be the number one seed. And if they're not the one, it's not even just the number one seat. They got Minnesota and Green Bay right on their ass.

It'd be one thing if they had a several game lead. And even if they weren't the number one overall seed, they'd be the number two seed. Like, they're going to lock to win the division. Like the margin isn't that big. And it's why Dan Campbell, why I defend them when people are like, why is he still playing starters? Like, this is the NFL.

This isn't college football. We have 90 guys dressed. You only have, you don't even have 53 guys dressed, right? You dress 45, 46 guys. And a couple of them are kicker and your punter. So I don't even have 10 offensive linemen. I can't just yank my starters or I have 10 DBs. Like my DBs are my DBs.

I got a couple guys that rotate, but those guys play special teams. So I kind of got to be careful. And they were kicking the bear's ass. But it was 16 nothing in half time. Three of the field or three field goals instead of touchdowns. and two of them came in the red zone. They kicked a field goal at the 12-yard line, and they kicked the field goal at the 18-yard line.

But you're watching that game thinking, this is a, the Bears, is this serious? Are you guys even going to try? But then through just the sure volume of guys going down for the Bears, or excuse me, the Lions, Caleb kind of got hot.

And Keenan Allen scored a couple touchdowns, and all of a sudden you got a game. And you're like, ah, this kind of, of feels like they're making it kind of a fake game and then all of a sudden the bears down three points have the ball driving and i look at maria and i just put a food away and we were gonna cook a couple of dishes to go with the food that we had got and went i think the lions might i i think that caleb's gonna lead him on a touchdown drive right here but i'm doing a couple things i'm not like sitting on the couch taking notes watching this part of

the game because I had already in my mind accepted that the game was over like 10, 20 minutes before that point. But then I'm watching and they're driving, I'm like, the Lions are going to lose this game. Then all of a sudden Caleb Williams gets sacked.

And I think he gets sacked at the 35, 36 second mark. And I'm kind of not really just, obviously, I knew they had a timeout because you could see the little dot. Do something. Just think. They'll take a time out.

It was going to be a long field goal. Maybe they will try to get a chunk play and then rush the field goal unit on, which when you're the Bears, there's no lock to even work. But listen, if you get the field goal blocked again, we will just acknowledge your unit is the worst field goal unit we've ever seen,

but you're still going to get a field goal off. And if anyone that's watched any of the post-game locker room from the Bears, multiple players are like, yeah, I just thought we were going to get a field goal. not only they not call a time out we all know the story by now they get one play now it was third down so it wasn't like they had a chance i've seen a lot i saw terry bradshaw was like i would have got four plays in 30 it was third down and it was third and 20 it was long way to go but to not call a time out and then for eber flus after the game to say that we liked what we did and i had a couple people text me like what was caleb doing i will defend caleb in this spot

Thursday, short week, season's been a disaster. Late in the game, you've got to be exhausted. This is not a six-year pro. This is not Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Jalen Hertz. This is not a guy with 40, 50, 60, 70 starts under his belt. 100 starts. This is a guy that has about 10 starts under his belt in the National Football League, on the road on Thanksgiving, who's got to be huffing and puffing.

And listen, he's a disaster in that situation. But I'm sorry, the head coach who is not the play caller on offense, who even though if he runs the defense, when the offense is on the field, he has to become the CEO, I control the game management, has to call a time out there. Even after a couple seconds, he realizes I got to call a time out. Because I get Caleb to the side.

Like, at that point in time, it's a 59-yard field goal. We got to be saying, listen, we're going to try to play here for like a 50-yard field goal. So can we get an 8 to 10-yard completion or gain and give our field goal unit a chance to get on the field? And we can tell them during that time, if I'm Iber Fluse, look at my special team's coordinator, Richard Hightower, and go get them ready. Because we're going to call the play. And if the play works, they're going on the field. I guess if it's incomplete, maybe we would have to,

if we don't feel our guy can kick a 59-yard field goal indoors, we'll have to throw Hail Mary, but we would have essentially two plays called with the field goal unit. And he didn't call a timeout. And I had a couple people in the NFL. It's like, what the hell's Caleb doing? I'll defend Caleb there. The head coach has to bail him out.

This is not a situation where it's a delay a game situation and a lot's going. Like this is, you call that you're standing there. I saw Matt Ryan say, I saw it went, I don't know if it went viral, it just got tweeted into my timeline, that that is 100% on the head coach. He can't panic in that situation.

And Iber Fluse after the game is acting like he's in complete control, but he can't be because how would you not call a time out immediately? And I think this is a moment that's very symbolic of the organization. I no longer blame Iver Fluse. after they got thoroughly embarrassed by the New England Patriots, who we have seen after are god-awful, are absolutely terrible. On that Tuesday morning when they fired Shane Waldron,

not firing Matt Iverflus is a major double middle finger to your fan base. Because ever since, you have found a way to lose three games in three devastatingly different ways. Yet they all are a reflection of the coach. And this is a coach who is completely over his head, who has no business being one of the 32 head coaches in the NFL. We knew this last year. And then you tried to have your cake and eat it to this year with the number one pick.

And you knew three or four weeks ago that he was a dead man walking, that it was over. And listen, like, maybe Mike McCarthy's job, maybe he does come back. But you know what? Mike McCarthy who, listen, I'm guilty. I thought he was done three or four weeks ago. Mike McCarthy's a real coach. He's a real fucking NFL coach.

He's coached for 15 plus years at a high level winning since the late 2009-10 range when he won a Super Bowl all through the 2010s and three back-to-back-to-back years with the Cowboys where he won 12 games. And even this year, he'll probably end up winning eight or nine. so if he gets fired like yeah they wanted to move on but if he comes back

like yeah we don't think we can do better in Mike McCarthy for them to keep Iver Fluse is a pretty big indictment of what they've got going on but the reality is when Iver Fluse is fired whether it's Friday morning whether it's Saturday or Sunday

whether it's Monday or whether it's after the season Bears fans know they're just completely screwed because at the end of the day their franchise and their ownership is a joke. And they make Kevin Warren essentially the grand pooh-bah and the boss of this whole operation. And he's not even a football guy. So you have Ryan Poles and Matt Iberfluse answering to him currently,

which I would imagine is not going to change, and he's going to have a major, major say in who the next head coach is. So I think looking back of, Listen, maybe Caleb should have caused a stink Of where he was going And maybe all those people that said And listen, I didn't buy into it I thought they were just too talented

But it shows you that when you have Inept people running an organization When you have inept coaching You can't ever overcome that No matter how much talent you bring in And today, like last week Like the previous week Like the previous week

I mean they lost six straight games In every fashion imaginable blowouts, ass kickings, blocked field goals, screwed up in overtime, screw up a timeout, two minute situation. Iber flus, polls, Kevin Warren, the McCaskies, they're all responsible. They really are.

So we can't even blame anyone else moving forward beside kind of that unit. And it's kind of sad. It really is. Because look at how, when the Lions changed. Right? The Lions specifically, specifically turned the corner when they said,

here are the keys to the car. The car sucks right now. It's a broken down piece of shit. But Dan and Brad Holmes, here are the keys. You do whatever you want with it. You don't have to, when you need to get an oil change, or when you need to get gas, or we need to change the tires,

answer to this guy, this guy and this guy. You guys figure it out. Whatever you need to do, you do it. And that's just not how the bears operate with their football guys. So until that changes, until they move Kevin Warren out of anything that goes on with something not the stadium, I will short this franchise. I really, one of my, I would say weakest takes coming into the season and I just kicked myself because I was such a pussy. I did not like the Bears to make the playoffs when it was like the sexy pick. I said, listen, I expect them to be solid, but they got seven, eight wins written all over.

I don't know how I'd insured him harder because I didn't believe in the organization. I did not believe in the coach. And I didn't believe in a rookie quarterback. It's very, very difficult to just come in, start to finish and dominate. He's obviously had some moments, for the most part, it's been all over the map. It's just hard to overcome dysfunction. And it's got him now time and time again, because he has. has moments in these games.

They're like, God, Caleb's really slinging it. And he's showing me enough. Like, you see that arm strength? We talked about this in the Packer. You know, the difference between Love and Tua is like, when he lets it rip, like, hell yeah. And listen, I come from the Andy Reed School. Like, I like elite talents. I like watching that guy throw 100 mile on our fastballs.

But there's more to football than that. You know, there's 35 seconds, even if you're huffing and puffing. And like that, that's definitely not acceptable third or fourth year. I'm giving them a little bit of a pass, but what a year for the Bears. And then the afternoon game. I thought the Cowboys kicked their ass. Their defense, this overshone guy,

the dude they drafted number 13 from Texas a couple years ago, that play he made where he tipped the ball. He was flying around hitting people. He's a fun player. Obviously having Micah back, who was all over Drew Locke who, listen, you don't need to be Bill Paulian or Brian Gutikins

to watch Drewlock play and DeVito to play. To be like, in what world did we put DeVito in over him? But at the end of the day, this entire off season and on hard knocks, they kept hammering home, we are going to build an offensive line

around Daniel Jones. And you watched last week, Vito, get the living crap kicked out of them. And Drew Locke today was getting hammered. You could have put Eli Manning, you could have put Brett Farr, you could have put Michael Vic back there, and they would have been a sitting duck. Maybe Michael could have ran around a little, but when you can't block a soul, you got no shot.

None. It's like, I didn't like the cowboys, like my favorite bet on the board, come coming into today was Green Bay, just based on the cold weather in Miami. But I just liked Dallas at home with the New York Giants, given all the weirdness that's going on with the Giants. But then the moment, like Wednesday happened and it was like, ah, DeVito, he's too beat up. He just might not be able to play.

I was like, you know, it could be weird. You know, Drew Locke, motivated. You got Brady, which I understood Brady shitting on Daniel Jones, the situation because I don't know if he was told this but like Daniel Jones wanted out right Daniel Jones asked them for his release and in Tom's mind

that's pretty offensive because he has been in situations and he's seen it with other players where they just stick it out but I remember reading two weeks ago or I guess when was he cut earlier five six days ago my days are kind of I guess middle

of last week right is Daniel Jones asked him, he's like, listen, he got benched, whatever, you're not going to be the backup. And Daniel's like, okay, I'll do whatever it takes. Can I play scout team quarterback? I'll play scout team safety. And the things Brady was saying today. Well, the Giants told him no.

Because part of the reason they benched them, they don't want him to get hurt. Well, if you get hurt in a game or you get hurt in a practice, the same thing. If you're playing scout team safety and you cut, you tear your ACL, they don't want them to get hurt. They still be on the hook $23 or $24 million. So they basically just wanted Daniel Jones to sit on the sideline with his hands in his pockets because they want no risk of him getting injured. So Daniel Jones is like,

you just want me to sit here on the sideline? So I do respect Daniel Jones going, yeah, listen, like I'm not, I respect you guys giving me all this money, clearly have not earned it. Everyone's talking shit about me on the internet. But I don't plan on just, just going to cold tub, the sauna,

lifting some weights and sitting here, you know, with my hands in my pockets, watching practice for the next month and a half. Fuck that. Like, I do want to participate. So I think that kind of went viral today of Brady crushing him. I think Brady's a little misinformed how it all went down

according to Diana Rusini. She reported that, I think, last week, that he was like, well, I don't want to do nothing. And I think more and more people around the Giants were like, yeah, they just wanted him to stay on the side. So in Brady's mind, because Brady said like, I would have played safety. Well, he tried.

And they said no, which I understand from the Giants. So really the only way is kind of to cut them. It's the only way to really keep them on ice with this much time left to go on the season. But they officially became the first team to get eliminated from the playoffs. And I just don't think we've ever seen. seen anything quite like the hard knock situation what has transpired with saiquan and then their team which is now two and ten two and they were they two and nine coming into two and ten they're not

going to win another they are terrible they cannot block a soul their defense is atrocious their playmakers in on the secondary are awful you know bibodeau brian burns dexter Lawrence, like, yeah, those guys are good. But if the rest of your defense is just awful, you got no shot. And you're watching, you're going, I don't know, man. I get John Mora

who wants these guys to work, but you end up going 3 and 14 in year 3. That's tough. To get essentially blasted by the Cowboys on Thanksgiving when their backup quarterback's playing,

and they just kind of embarrass you in what is typically the highest rated game of the day. That's the thing about today. Like, Iber Fluse with that moment, this is not Sunday morning. Like, you're not playing the Lions the morning slate of games, and there's six other games going on.

So it's a big deal, but three other things happen that are also big, and we make fun of you, but it's like, hey, did you see that one catch that Justin Jefferson had, and that crazy pass by Mahomes? there are other things going on. Nothing is going on.

Everyone's just watching that happen. So then the Cowboy Giants game comes on. Half the country is just sitting at home, eating or laying on the couch, watching you get clown. And unlike basketball or baseball, if it was the equivalent on a holiday of teams that were,

I mean, besides the Packers today, we didn't have a winning record. I had the Lions. Besides the Packers and the Lions, we had a bunch of teams that are well under 500. Giants are two and nine, the cowboys, the dolphins are under 500, the bears are under 500. If it was the equivalent of these other, no one would watch.

And it wouldn't even matter. But it's the NFL. And even if you suck, we're all zoned in. And I'm watching Iber Fluse have one of the worst late moment games you'll ever see and then try to justify it after. You have dayball standing there. Look good, by the way. As someone who needs to lose a little weight, and I had a good start to the week, Monday through Wednesday, but then Thanksgiving hits.

That I admire whatever he's doing. OZempic's kind of a little cheat code, but if it's true, just work out some salads and stuff. Hat tip to you. The team's fucking joke. I mean, an absolute... Because the cowboys were like the butt of everyone's joke

up until a couple weeks ago, and they just kick your ass with Cooper Rush? Whichever of the throw, like Cooper Rush would have a throw. You're like, played golf with a buddy yesterday, Bill Picota, who played, Major League Baseball for like a decade.

Played with like Bo Jackson, George Brett. And he's from Big Kansas City Chiefs guy. And he was like, what's up with this cowboy quarterback? He's like, how could he be in the NFL? I'm like, well, the thing with backups is like, ideally you can have a long career if you never really have to play. And if you do have to play a couple games and it goes well, you can extend your career.

Like, this guy played in the NFL 12 years and he has six career starts. But you get these guys, if they have like 15 career starts, their career is going to be shortened. So if it was like, you know, it was like an economics class and we were doing a chart of like the supply demand chart, if the chart of years played and game started for backups, you want that game started. If you're a high character, people like you, you know, good teammate, smart guy, knows the offense, can pick up things fast. you want your game started to be low and then your years in the NFL go up but the moment you start playing more

you get wiped out because like god this guy sucks so Cooper Rush is is hanging on there by a thread like he had that little stretch a couple years ago when Dak got injured was great because the team was good he didn't have to do that much so his win-loss record looked good but then this year he's thrown back into the fire luckily some of the defensive guys are back

but overall the Cowboys looked at their schedule that was one thing, like we said about the Green Bay. Big game coming up against the Lions. Giants completely screwed. Miami, to me, Denver Broncos are one win away if they win on Sunday. Like, your playoff hopes are over. And the Cowboys, kind of interesting.

Can they get to 10 and 7? I don't know, but I don't think it's shocking if they were to get 9 and 8. You know, the Eagles, they have to go to Philadelphia. I think we're all going to give them an L on that one. but you still play you know Washington's got a lot of issues I don't know I just

the Cowboys and this is why and I mentioned this the other day why I think Jerry had said Mike could come back because he didn't want those guys to quit now he might not be lying but he didn't want those guys to quit and those guys didn't quit

Hey it's us the Jonas brothers and guess what we have some big news What's the news news news? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas We invented a podcast Well we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down?

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Because healing, empowerment, and resilience aren't just ideas. They're practices. And this Mental Health Awareness Month, there's no better time to pour back into yourself. Listen to cultivating her space on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on Crimless, we're joined by our first ever guest. Sorry, our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the parrot. I'd be too nervous.

That's right. The very funny Will Ferrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers. What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault.

And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not. I say we invest and we see. There's only one way to know. This did not amuse the cops. By the way, normally the cops are amused, but this did not abuse the cops. Will even comes clean about some of his own crimes. I didn't get caught.

You know why? If you don't want to be suspected of anything, you whistle as you walk. Listen to crime lists on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Now, one thing really quick before we get out of here. It's been pretty obvious that the NFL wants to put a game every single week at 6.30 in the morning Pacific Standard Time in London or somewhere overseas. They aspire to do that. Roger Goodell told the Sports Business Journal this week, did we plan in the next five years of having a 16 game overseas schedule?

Next year they plan on having eight games overseas. Three in London, one in Germany, one in Spain, one in Brazil, one in Mexico City, and potentially one in Ireland. Why are they doing this? Well, they have a Thursday night package that they sell for like a billion dollars. They have a Monday night package in which they sell for a boatload of money. While this is on Sunday, a lot like Sunday night football, this can become its own package. Now, I don't want this.

I'm not into this. I'm cool with just the three sets of games, the one in the morning, the one in the afternoon, and then Sunday night football. But it was pretty obvious. I would say this year, or definitely the last couple years,

they were getting more aggressive with international play. And at one time, we're like, well, they're just going to put a team in London. Well, it's probably not going to happen, especially with the Jags doubling down on their practice facility and everything in Jacksonville. Where this was probably always headed, though,

was to sell as a separate package. Like, hey, Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, whoever, we have 16 games for you to buy independently 630 Pacific Standard Time, 16 a year. Here it is. Free revenue. These games were being played regardless. That exact game,

the New England Patriots against the Indianapolis Colts, the Jacksonville Jaguars against the New York Jets you fucking name the stupid games would have been a throw-in game on your third TV on a box in the corner that you're not really even paying attention to unless you're a fan of one of those two teams they're now going to package

and by the time they sell this in five years when you factor in inflation for probably a couple billion dollars a year and the other thing Roger mentioned is we're going to 18 games which we all knew was coming anyway because they're going to have two preseason games but these international games i mean look at all these packages now christmas thanksgiving thursday monday sunday the international package in the morning

like there are only so many ways like they're not going to expand the league there's no cities that they're missing out on that they can go in so you got to find ways to you know develop new revenue streams and the international package just happens to be a billion dollar revenue stream so we'll keep it positive here Fugazi Friday The only Fugazi was me not giving Sweet Potato Pie more love The moment I bit into it

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This week on Crimless, Rory and I welcome a very special guest. When I did podcasts, I wear my sleep masks. I like where this is going. So if you guys will indulge me. That's right, the incredibly talented and hilarious Will Ferrell. On an episode dedicated to crimes committed by people named Will Ferrell, You're good for 300 crimes We're doing it.

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