The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - The latest with Myles Garrett, Banning the Tush Push, Go Low

Episode Date: February 26, 2025

John dives into the start of the NFL combine by discussing the latest with Myles Garrett and if the Browns will be open to trading him at some point, will the Falcons be able to trade Kirk Cousins and... get out of their mistake, the latest with the 49ers, and will the "Tush Push" get banned. Later, John does a mini "Go Low" and also answers you golf questions in today's Go Low mailbag segment. 4:09 - The latest with Myles Garrett 9:05 - Will Cousin get traded 13:03 - The 49ers 22:19 - Tush Push 38:26 - Go Low/Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. #Volume #Herd Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @shop.mando and get $5 off off your Starter Pack (that’s over 40% off) with promo code GOLOW at Mandopodcast.com/GOLOW #mandopod  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:46 but a lot of GMs talk today, and there were a lot of stories flying fast and furious out of the combine. So the podcast is going to go like this. I'm going to, for like 30 minutes, hit on a bunch of football stuff, from Miles Garrett to the Tush Push to, you name it. Everything that cousins being a $30 million backup, I mean, give me a break. So we will hit on that.
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Starting point is 00:04:20 And I want to start with the big story that one of the best players in the NFL asked for a trade. And sometimes, and we've seen a lot of trade requests over the years from a lot of different players. When I was living a couple years ago in the Bay Area, Debo Samuel made an impassioned trade request. And I ended up not getting traded. and he never was going to get traded. Last year, Brandon Ayuk kind of did, but then every time they would trade him,
Starting point is 00:04:46 be like, no, I want to stay. I thought watching Miles Garrett do the rounds of the Super Bowl, and I mentioned this to Colin the other day, I thought it was like very measured. And honestly, when you heard him talk, you're like, yeah, I understand. If I was him, I would want to get the hell out of here too. And I think one major difference in football
Starting point is 00:05:06 relative to, let's say, basketball, that when a player asked for a trade in the NBA, it sure as hell feels like they get traded. And constantly, when a guy makes a demand, you'd be like, why are you want to trade this guy? And then a week later, two weeks later,
Starting point is 00:05:23 the offseason, whatever, he always gets traded. And it feels like a player-run operation. Hell, Jimmy Butler, who has been incredible on the Warriors, you know, lost it on Pat Riley and basically gave up. Stop doing anything. They kept suspending him, and then he was traded. That's not usually how the NFL works.
Starting point is 00:05:44 They don't let the players, at least historically, shove them around. It's a management-run operation. And listen, these things can ebb and flow, and every individual case is separate from one another. I'm not saying guys haven't demanded trades in the past and haven't been traded. But in this situation, you get a guy of,
Starting point is 00:06:08 this level, a Hall of Fame player, a guy who has a chance if he stays healthy to go down as one of the great players ever as a pass rusher, which a lot of people would argue is the second most important position behind quarterback. You're like, God, what are the Browns going to get from? Because this guy sounds and pretty impassioned, put out a statement and then quadrupled down, like, he doesn't want to play there. Well, I'll say this about the Browns. They have not been like, yeah, we're open to offers, you know, give us a call, we'll call your right back. This is our asking price. Their general manager
Starting point is 00:06:42 has said a while back, and he quadrupled down the day, like, we're not betraying this player. That is not in the plans for the Cleveland Browns. And I'm fascinated to watch the way this plays out because I think they get an absolute all for them. I've said
Starting point is 00:06:58 over and over, I'm thinking multiple first rounds, a second round, and probably a player. I mean, you are getting a lot for a guy that is 29 years typically when you see that type haul it's usually a guy 25, 26 years old you know once upon a time
Starting point is 00:07:16 Khalil Mack was traded from the Raiders it was a second contract usually it's the second contract guys like if the Cowboys were to put Micah Parsons truly on the trading block you would get a ton because you're getting a guy going into their fourth fifth season who you are giving the first big contract Miles Garrett is a guy who would get his third contract
Starting point is 00:07:36 rookie contract, then he got a massive contract, now he wants a third contract. So usually when you get that third contract guy, you don't get as much. I don't think that's the case here. And I think if you're the Browns, listen, what I've said when it comes to Cleveland, I totally understand where Andrew Barry's coming from.
Starting point is 00:07:54 You should never be in the business of getting rid of guys like Miles Garrett, whether you're a one-win team or whether you're a 17-win team. Like the whole point of the sport is to acquire, extend, and have guys on your team like Miles Garrett, but the Browns are in a bad spot. And the other thing Andrew Barry mentioned today is like,
Starting point is 00:08:13 Deshaun Watson isn't playing this year. And let's face it, he's never playing for the Cleveland Browns again. I actually feel Deshawn Watson will never play in the NFL again. But I think this is a time when you can blow this bitch up. And you have the number two pick. You can trade him for a haul. I know it's not convenient. It's not something you want on your resume.
Starting point is 00:08:34 but this is not a Luca trade where it's like, why did you do this? Like, this guy is asking for a trade. And I think this is a move that is not easy to make, but they are going to have every team in the NFL. And let's face it, most of the good teams willing to put a ton on the table. Like willing to trade you so much where it's like you are having serious meetings. And I wouldn't bet my life savings. on them trading him,
Starting point is 00:09:06 but I think there's a pretty good chance within the next couple weeks. Miles Garrett is traded. And listen, I'll say this about the Browns. I think Andrew Barry and Kevin Stavansky, that is a good tandem. I do think those guys know what they're doing. And if they trade Miles Garrett,
Starting point is 00:09:24 it's not because it was just their idea. This is something he's pushing. So it's understandable when you make a move that, let's face it, Browns fans are not going to love. I mean, he's one of the more talented players the franchise has ever had. But when I look at the Falcons, in this story I saw today,
Starting point is 00:09:41 I saw this early in the morning when I was running around doing another life task. I just saw the headline. Rahim Morris says, Kirk Cousins is going to be the backup. And when I'm getting ready for the show, I go to Roto World.
Starting point is 00:09:54 They always, they're a fantasy website, but they're kind of like a website version of Twitter where they just throw together a lot of stories and I can accumulate a lot of information fast. because they kind of aggregate it all. And the GM also said that. Like, we plan on making Kirk Cousins the backup quarterback. I shorted the Falcons last year,
Starting point is 00:10:14 just partly because everyone was hanging the left. Everyone's like, the Atlanta Falcons are winning the division. I'm like, no chance. And I was right. Now, granted, I picked the Saints, but I just bet against, like, are we sure Kirk Cousins, Rahim Morris, this general manager that no one knows if it's any good,
Starting point is 00:10:29 are just going to win 10, 11 games? And it didn't happen. but today, like, Kirk Cousins has a no-trade clause. He is owed, I think, $10 million bonus here in the next couple weeks. You would be on the hook for Kirk Cousins making $27.5 million to be the backup, which going into a season would be the highest paid backup in the history of the league by a wide, wide margin. Typically, backup quarterbacks, not like bridge quarterbacks.
Starting point is 00:10:57 Sometimes bridge quarterbacks don't win the job. A guy you give $10 million or $15 million. maybe they get beat out by a rookie. Like that happens, right? Or what happened to Kirk Cousins last year, benched mid-season. I'm talking about a guy that you go, he's not going to be getting number one reps in OTAs or training camp
Starting point is 00:11:15 because he is the backup making 27. Never has happened and never will happen. Now, maybe one day if the cap is like $900 million, but that's embarrassing. And you acting, because they're saying this, trying to get teams to, well, if you really want them, you're going to have to steal him from me. He's not, you can't trade him without Kurt Cousins saying, yes.
Starting point is 00:11:37 He's got that thing called a no trade clause that you gave him. And if you're Kirk Cousins, why would you want your salary to go on the next team's books when you can just force them to cut you and then you still get paid that same amount of money and you just go to the other team for a little bit more money and you allow them to sign more players and have a better team? I think the Atlanta Falcons have no fucking clue what they're doing. None. I mean, I think there, I thought today was pretty embarrassing. I really did. Now, it's one thing to talk tough if you do have some leverage, right? But they can't trade them without getting a thumbs up from Kirk Cousins.
Starting point is 00:12:16 Listen, I think I saw Arthur Blank at TGL. He's an investor in the PGA tour now. And he, uh, sitting there smiling. He has to be questioning. And listen, I get like they want to save a little. face here, like, you guys fucked up. You were wrong on this one. It's a disaster. And saying this today, I thought, of all the things that were said in the combine, I thought this was the craziest thing by country mile said. I actually don't even think there were that many things said that I thought, well, that's kind of weird. This was one of those like, what the fuck? I think the Falcons, like, that organization, give me a break. Ain't going to make the play? Listen, I'm a Michael Panics guy, so I'm rooting for Michael Panics. But I think,
Starting point is 00:13:02 the organization he's in. I mean, this guy comes from Washington where he had Kalin DeBore, all those wide receivers, and just a well-run operation to this thing. I mean, what a joke. The 49ers. There was a story by Diana Rusini, who I texted a couple weeks ago to have on the podcast. She was going on vacation. And she's like, you want to come on or you at the combine. I was like, I'd love to have you, but I'm not going to combine. So hopefully we'll get her sometime after the combine. I like Diana a lot. And I appreciate and admire any reporter that covers football that gets their information from general managers and coaches.
Starting point is 00:13:41 Because ultimately those people are the decision maker. And she had a, I don't know if it was a tweet. I saw the headline that she said teams have called and discussed or reached out to the 49ers about their willingness with Brandon Ayuk. Would they trade them? And I thought, are they trying to get Brandon Ayyuk for like nothing? and the 49ers have already given him a bunch of money in the signing bonus, so they get him for cheap, because my take would be one,
Starting point is 00:14:09 unless the 49ers get like a first round pick, which I don't even think they would get a second day pick, given that his leg was snapped last year. He didn't just tear his ACL, like he had torn other ligaments. It was a bad injury. And he makes a ton of money that while the Niners would bear the majority of, like, the cap disaster, would still be owed in the next couple of years paying him some cash.
Starting point is 00:14:34 I just think it makes no sense. And listen, the 49ers regret signing him? Yes, they do. And did they, obviously the injury, no one wanted that to happen. Team player, like no one wishes that upon any, but it did happen. And now they have this situation that's not ideal. But to me, he is not a tradable player. I just, I can't imagine them trading a guy injured who is going to ruin their cap space.
Starting point is 00:15:01 I think I saw my guy David Lombardi, who covers the 49ers. He's good. The 49ers have like $45 million in cap space, and if they were to trade him, they would lose like 30 of that with dead money because of this. So that's not happening. The other thing in 49er land is happening. It was Tim Kawakami, who is just a mainstay in the Bay Area, like our biggest opinion columnist, covers everything,
Starting point is 00:15:28 but specifically the Warriors and the 49ers. He's as dialed as anyone. I was listening to his podcast a couple days ago, taking my little dog for a walk, well-needed. She's got to lose some weight. Even though I think the vet told us that caloric deficit for dogs is actually more important, especially with small dogs than walking. I don't know if that's true or not, but it was believable.
Starting point is 00:15:49 And Lully's like, yeah, I don't even need to walk. Well, my point is, Calcomi on his podcast, said that Kyle Shanahan was going to go to the combine. Because Kyle Shanahan is just always too good for the combine. I think since like 2019, or this first season they made the Super Bowl back. It would have been 2020. He was at the combine. I don't think he's been back.
Starting point is 00:16:08 Now, granted, they've been playing late in the season. It's like they're in the Super Bowl or the conference championship game. He's on vacation or whatever. John Lynch is there. I'll give you a little bit of a pass, even though I still think you should go. You go 6 and 11, and you're basically off for the last two months. If Kawakami was told something and then Kyle Shanahan decided not to go to the Combine, that's pretty embarrassing.
Starting point is 00:16:31 But Grant Cohen, who also covers the 49ers, he's got the big YouTube channel. He is going up to every, him and Kyle get after it a lot. Like they have butted heads many times. He is going up to every coach at the press conference, like Dan Campbell,
Starting point is 00:16:47 Sean Payton, Andy Reed, and asking them why they value the combine, basically as like a bit taking shots of Kyle, which honestly I thought was incredible. and I hope Kyle goes the combine Because if he's not like that's It's not just a bad look Like that's low level
Starting point is 00:17:04 You know two months You have the 11th pick Your franchise is somewhat turmoil You had an awful season You gotta be there I'm sorry Like if I was texting someone today Andy Reid Nick Siriani
Starting point is 00:17:18 Played in the game like two weeks ago And Andy Reid's the best coach in the NFL Who has beaten you twice in Super Bowls He's gonna go He's gonna walk right into the Hall of Fame and he goes to the combine every single year for the last three and a half decades. Like, Belichick for 30 years
Starting point is 00:17:33 going to the combine every single year. If those guys can go and find value in it, and even Sean Payton, and every coach reiterated this thing when Grant Cohn was doing his thing. They said, I want to meet the players. Like, that's the value you get. Like, Andy's not in all these meetings with agents.
Starting point is 00:17:50 That's Brett's job, right? But when you have, I saw some coaches say it was 45. It used to be 60. maybe they shortened. I think they elongated the time from 15 to 20 minutes, but you don't get as many meetings. So you get 45 meetings now instead of 60, but they're all 20 minutes long instead of 15.
Starting point is 00:18:08 That could be the case. Don't quote me on that. It's a really big deal to meet these players. Just like in any human interaction, and listen, it's become controversial, you know, the Jamie Diamonds and everyone of the world of, you know, come back to the office. But there are some things in life
Starting point is 00:18:25 that if you're going to invest millions of dollars into a human being, I would rather meet them in person than do a Zoom. And I just, I hope that the story right now that he's not going turns out to be false and he ends up showing up in a couple days. He doesn't need to be there a day. He doesn't even need to do a press conference. But when the players start meeting and you start doing interviews, every head coach should go.
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Starting point is 00:23:09 Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Another big topic today, the Tush Push. A lot of coaches took some shots at the Tush Push. The Green Day Packers, I guess, reached, I don't know if the, because in a couple weeks, the owner's meetings basically got the ball rolling of trying to ban the tush push, which I don't know exactly how they would do, maybe not allow you to be right behind the quarterback. Whatever, make some rule. My overall take on the tush push is I don't love it because I do feel it's inevitable.
Starting point is 00:23:52 But I also go, if it's so easy to do, shouldn't every team be able to do? But of course, they can't. And even Andy Reid said, like, I understand the injury. concern. But like, if we could do it, we'd do it. You know, I mean, it's like, I'm sorry, I don't feel that much, I would say, pity or, I feel for these other teams that can't stop it. It sucks, and it definitely sucks when your team's playing them or you're betting against them and they go into that position. I saw SpyTech say today, well, unless you got Vita Vaya, you're probably not stopping it. But, like, I just think everyone's bitching and moaning over this.
Starting point is 00:24:32 this thing, that it's like, I don't know. And even Siriani was kind of said he was insulted by it because of how much time they have spent, I would say, building up this play, practicing the play. And let's face it, a huge, their big point of difference on the tush push is their quarterback. He can squat like 8 million pounds. And we saw Josh Allen, who in theory should be like one of the bigger, stronger quarterbacks of all time.
Starting point is 00:24:58 Yet they couldn't execute a short yardage. their version of the tush push quarterback sneak to save their life in the biggest game of their season. So I think everyone's all worked up. And that's what happens. Like any time you're dominating in life, this happens in the private sector and business all the time. People coming at you.
Starting point is 00:25:16 You know, for a long time, depending on who was in charge, the government starts coming after you. Your local government comes after you. People start suing you. It's like usually people aren't suing companies that aren't doing well. They don't have any money. They're going after the big dogs. No different in sports.
Starting point is 00:25:31 When you start dominating and you win big, you know, they say the wind blows the hardest at the top of the mountain. And that's what's happening here with the Eagles. You know, the Jags, I watched them, the headline a couple days ago that they hired 34-year-old from the Rams, who I'll be honest, I'd never heard of. I watched a little of his press conference yesterday with Shad Khan. I watched some clips today of him at the Combine. I do think, I understand what they're doing. They just, they interviewed a bunch of guys that were highly viewed around the league,
Starting point is 00:26:06 guys that were number twos or threes at Super Bowl and, you know, playoff level teams and they hired the most impressive. But they are going into this season with two guys who have never done the role who are 34 and 39 years old. And even hiring Tony Bisselli to be like kind of right next to them is, you know, I just, I don't even know what technical. his role is. I mean, I've seen some people say he's in charge of a lot of like PR and logistics and some other
Starting point is 00:26:34 stuff and just to help out the coaches and all three guys report to the owner. None of them have ever had these roles. And I think sometimes guys start from scratch. Let's use the 49ers, for example. Kyle Shanagh had never been a head coach. John Lynch had never been a general manager. Cow Shannon had been an offensive coordinator for like over a decade. And John Lynch was a Hall of Fame player who then started.
Starting point is 00:26:58 studying with John Elway and the Broncos as he was doing broadcasting stuff. So I just think it's a lot of pressure on, and even when Sean McVeigh got hired to the Rams at 31, 32 years old, like Lesneed had been a general manager for a while. You know, Howie had just took Siriani, right? No one, I'd never heard of Nick Siriani. Well, it was a huge advantage for the Eagles. Howie Roseman had done the job for a long time. I just think it's very, very difficult in this profession to kind of learn.
Starting point is 00:27:28 on the fly when you're under 40. Doesn't mean it can't be done. And I'm not against hiring younger people. But I feel like, look at the Raiders. I think John Spitech, who has been one of the most highly valued up-and-coming future GMs for several years now. Like, he, once Adam Peters got hired last year, it felt like he was that guy.
Starting point is 00:27:50 Like, John Spitech was bound to be a general manager. He'd be the first to tell you, it's a huge, huge benefit as a first-time general manager to everyday work with Pete Carroll, who's been a head coach for like three decades. So it's like, I think the Jags, obviously these two individuals are talented.
Starting point is 00:28:09 Liam Cullen's a good play caller. This Gladstone character, I'm sure, is really bright, really impressive. It's tough, man. It's really, really hard to learn on the job, especially at a place that is like historically pretty dysfunctional and loses a lot.
Starting point is 00:28:25 John Snyder called Geno Smith his guy and said there were going to be contract negotiations I don't know man I think that one's pretty risky you're talking about a guy who's on a three or $75 million contract then who played pretty well
Starting point is 00:28:43 over the course of a couple seasons and was a big reason you were a playoff level team and winning 9, 10 games if he was making $25 million what's he going to want $35,000, $40 million? and I get that's kind of the going rate, but I don't know, that feels tough, man. That feels tough.
Starting point is 00:29:00 It'll be fascinating. Maybe he's just saying that because that's an easy thing to say right now. But I think that Seattle's kind of in this risky spot. Three for 75, incredible deal. Now it's like, is Gino Smith giving you a deal? I don't know. The Ravens and Justin Tucker, I think it's pretty simple when it comes to sports. If you are a great player, you can get a good.
Starting point is 00:29:25 get away with a lot. And I'm not talking just about doing stupid shit, showing up late. I'm talking about, like, criminal activity. Like, this is, we're not teaching moral lessons here in pro sports. This is a black and white business. You're trying to make money and win games. This is very, like, there are two sides of the coin. People act like there's a bunch of gray area.
Starting point is 00:29:45 Yeah, there's only gray area when a guy sucks. It's like, yeah, we'll have to play out. We'll cut them. Right? The reason to Sean Watson was having all those opportunities. with the situation he was in was because the guys viewed, you know, people around the league viewed him as a superstar. They viewed Deshawn Watson as one of the best quarterbacks in the league. If Deshawn Watson was a bad player and wanted to trade out of Houston, it would not have been the same.
Starting point is 00:30:13 No one would have touched him. So I believe now, with all the toxicity around him, he will never play another snap in the NFL. If he was good, I would not say that. To me, Justin Tucker, I think the Ravens, this thing, you know, like the, Deshawn, it's just he said, she said, a lot of women coming out against him, they would have defended him. If he's in the peak of his powers, prime, one of the great
Starting point is 00:30:33 kickers, you could argue the best kicker of all time, most talented kicker. I think they would have no problem. We'll let the judicial system play out. Which in fairness, media members get so mad, like, the teams, like, this is not our job. We have to let it play out. We'll see what happens. We don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:49 We weren't there. But he's not good anymore. And he missed a ton of kicks last year. So I think like, I'd probably just cut them. You know, I wouldn't even want the headache. And listen, sometimes that's unfair. It happened to Matt oriza, who was the rookie
Starting point is 00:31:05 punter, who the fucking girl made it up. Now, this was only one. This was one human being story against another. It was like, he said, she said. Deshawn Watson and Tucker is like a long list of women with the massage therapy stuff.
Starting point is 00:31:22 I just think, you start missing kicks. like that's see ya you ain't worth the headache anymore a couple other things Khalil Shakir who I think someone asked me about in the mailbag signed a extension a day $32 million really good player excellent after the catch just just a stud player from Boise State I think teams love doing contracts like this there's a winning player a guy who's extremely productive guy especially a guy who's going to catch 80 balls a year I think last year was 74 balls wouldn't shock me if he averages 70,
Starting point is 00:31:54 to 85 for the next decade. And you can get this guy $32 million guaranteed. Now, he had a lot less yards. Brandon and you caught the same amount of balls last year. And he got $75 million guaranteed. So it's like these are the type contracts you love to sign. And when you get a guy who's drafting the mid-rounds, it's hard for them to turn down that type money.
Starting point is 00:32:16 And last but not least, you know, I saw Zach Taylor getting interviewed today. I think he's in a tough spot because the quarterback's putting a lot. lot of pressure on him. He wants all these guys resigned. We've talked a lot about this. I think you've got to be very, very careful about having a really, really top-heavy team. Now, it's easier to do when Joe Burroughs your quarterback. We've seen it with the Cowboys.
Starting point is 00:32:40 When, you know, when Dax your quarterback, it can be much more of a slippery slope. So if you are going to have a top-heavy team, if you got Mahomes, if you got Lamar, if you got Josh, if you got Burrow, it's like much easier to stomach. But I think it's one thing to have a top-heavy team with a lot of, like four guys at different positions. I think when you get a redundant position, and ultimately that's what T. Higgins and Jemar are. I mean, they're different players,
Starting point is 00:33:04 but like, do you want to invest that much money in the wide receiver position? I watch Howie Roseman talking to his press conference. He says they have an unhealthy obsession with the line of scrimmage. An unhealthy obsession with the line of scrimmage. They constantly think about offensive linemen and defensive linemen. That doesn't mean they don't value skill positions. have multiple wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:33:27 But like neither of them, like Jamar Chase is going to get probably as much money as AJ Brown and Devante Smith guaranteed got combined. So I just think it's, I'm all for resigning guys. You draft and you develop and that are big time players and a high character guys. But this is also a business and you have to make difficult decisions.
Starting point is 00:33:47 And I think Cincinnati, and this is, you should be uncomfortable because anytime you got a guy named Joe Burrow and you're missing the playoffs, like that's an organizational failure but this is a very very this has to be very uncomfortable for the organization
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Starting point is 00:35:59 one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas.
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Starting point is 00:38:24 We'll hit on a couple things that have crossed my mind the last, I would say, week in regards to golf. The Netflix show is out. I haven't watched any of it yet. TGL. I mean, they are playing these on Mondays, Tuesdays. It feels like they're always on early in the week now on ESPN. And then just some thoughts on this week from a gambling perspective. The Honda Classic, formerly known, now is the cognizant.
Starting point is 00:38:51 and then I will do as we do every week we will take questions at Golopod is the Instagram at Golopod is the Instagram so firing those DMs get your questions answered here on the show very very easy to do but this won't be
Starting point is 00:39:07 I mean this let's face it last week the Mexico open I mean it's got to be in the running for the worst week of the year not that I wasn't entertained at the end I mean a dude hit the ball in extra holes
Starting point is 00:39:19 I don't know if it was out of bounds or a hazard, but it should have been gone, and it kicked off the tree and it ended up winning. I was actually, I watched the couple extra holes. I watched probably the last couple holes of regulation because there was nothing else on, but it was rough. So I just think, luckily, we get away from that week.
Starting point is 00:39:40 This week's not great, but then next week is the Arnold Palmer, Bay Hill, which to me I'll always remember with Bryson, hitting the ball over the water, I think, because that's whole six and reaching his arms straight in the air, playing with Lee Westwood, Miss Old Bryson. But I think that does get to the kind of where we're at.
Starting point is 00:40:02 I mean, last night I am trying to put together playlists for the wedding. And I'm on the couch. It's like 9 o'clock at night. I need something on in the background. And I see TGL, which I enjoy, like, as just background television, like I would a baseball game. You kind of pay attention when you want. You don't pay attention when you want.
Starting point is 00:40:24 Billy Horshaw, Justin Thomas, Colin Morcawa, guys talking some shit to each other. Guys having a good time. Some of the guys just having no business being in this league. They say nothing. I mean, this is entertainment. And then today I saw all the clips coming out about Netflix,
Starting point is 00:40:40 which some are cool, right? Like Keegan Bradley being announced as the captain in front of all the dudes to Rory McElroy talking about his divorce. And it kind of hit me. It's like, I've always had this thing when young players happens a lot now in college, but definitely just young athletes use the word like, my brand, my brand, my brand. It's discussed a lot in modern day sports. And when I was growing up, I would say the biggest brand in the history of sports,
Starting point is 00:41:10 still to this day, I mean, it's going strong, is Michael Jordan and the Jordan brand. Well, the Jordan brand, well, the Jordan brand got. built on the back of a guy rattling off MVP's and championships and becoming the greatest player of all time. The Jordan brand does not exist if
Starting point is 00:41:32 Michael Jordan is not viewed as arguably the greatest athlete in the history of American sports. And then I think of Tiger Woods, and this carries over to golf, who built a massive brand on the back of winning majors.
Starting point is 00:41:49 and kicking the shit out of everybody. So as he got bigger and bigger, Nike Golf took off. Tiger Woods Golf became a massive video game. Right there when I was a kid with Madden. Well, why was Madden so big? I don't know because they had John Madden in the NFL, something that had been around for decades and built up and had momentum.
Starting point is 00:42:14 I remember playing WWF that video game. It was really big. They also had a massive brand. And I'm watching TGL and going, I get why Tiger Woods and Rory want to do this. But then when they were playing on the West Coast, these guys would fly from the West Coast to Florida and then fly back to the West Coast and play golf.
Starting point is 00:42:38 It's like, doesn't Pat Riley have this thing called Keep the Main Thing, the Main Thing? And I think you have individuals whose brands are big enough. to kind of break out and do that stuff. It does feel, and listen, I don't blame Netflix for producing these shows, but like the reason wide receiver, the NFL show, really worked, was because the NFL's brand and business was booming. I'll promise you this, the basketball one did not do as well.
Starting point is 00:43:11 And I'm watching golf, and I just go, are we, like, shouldn't we just slow down a little bit and figure out, how to keep the most important part of this entire business apparatus in focus, which is these tournaments, which are not working out. And, you know, Tiger Woods and Adam Scott and Jay Monaghan and Yasser, who is Saudi Arabia's business lead, was with Donald last week. It's like, I don't know where you stand on this. But any time that anything comes, that anything comes up with potential coming back together and working in unison and all becoming under the umbrella. Like, I've heard it enough. Like, tell me when you have figured out the situation. Like, I'm tired of
Starting point is 00:44:05 hearing about all the ingredients. I just want to eat the meal at this point. So, yeah, it's cool to see a clip of, like, Tiger Woods walking around the White House trying to get a deal done. But, like, until this deal is done, I don't give a shit about this anymore. I did a couple years ago, it was cool, it was fresh. Now it feels a little played out. Like, I'm tired of hearing about Jay Monaghan and Yasser trying to iron out some stuff. The other thing is that we just assume that these players, like, are you sure that John Rom and Bryson DeCambeau and Brooks Kefka are just going to want to play 15, 16, 18 events? I hope so, but I'm not sure. I mean, John Rom just made several hundred million dollars.
Starting point is 00:44:46 Bryce and Deschambeau, a huge part of his brand now, is YouTube. it changed the perception of him as a human being. Well, the tour doesn't allow that stuff because they have these enormous contracts which are great for the tour, bad for the networks, because these ratings are low. And I think they're just in this weird spot
Starting point is 00:45:09 and all of a sudden I'm looking up, we got Netflix shows about the PGA tour, we got TGF of them hitting into a net, it's like, guys, can we just figure out the tournaments first? Can we just get that right? the reason football is so big is because of the fucking games. Then off that you can build, right? Like, the Kelsey podcast became a phenomenon
Starting point is 00:45:32 because Travis Kelsey was on the best team in the NFL. Oh, and is one of the all-time great tight ends in the history of the NFL. And it was catching touchdowns every Sunday. Jason Kelsey, one of the all-time great centers for, I don't know, one of the best teams in the NFL. It's like you're running out some of these players, the casual person doesn't know who these guys are. In TGL, like, in theory, I should be one of the diehards.
Starting point is 00:45:57 Like, I love golf. I watch all these tournaments, and I'm watching, like, every... Like, at this point in time, it doesn't really do that much for me. I would imagine if you were there in the arena, it'd probably be kind of cool. But I'm like, this is all going on. It's like, we're playing the Mexico Open with live playing in front of 12,000 people. This feels broken. This doesn't feel right.
Starting point is 00:46:19 this feels like we don't know what we're doing. And obviously that is the case, which where we're at with the splitting of all the talent in a sport where the talent pool isn't that big of people that matter. You know, the NFL couldn't handle if, let's say, let's say top 10 quarterbacks. I just took Mahomes, I took Jared Gough, I took Josh Allen, and I took Jalen Hertz.
Starting point is 00:46:45 And I put them in another league. Guess what that would be? really bad for the NFL. At first it would be cool in the sense of it'd be a huge talking point. Everyone would have an opinion. Everyone would watch, see what it looks like.
Starting point is 00:46:58 But after a couple years, it would just suck. It would not be good for business. And that's where we're at right now. Yet every time I look up, it's like, oh, a new Netflix special. Like, I've said over and over. Like, I've watched the previous couple and they didn't really do that much for me.
Starting point is 00:47:14 There were a couple episodes in each, which I thought were solid. And I'm not blaming the producers or the idea behind it. It's just hard. Golfers aren't that interesting. Some of these guys are just not very interesting. And if they don't give you unlimited access,
Starting point is 00:47:29 which at this point in time, these guys are so rich, they don't give you unlimited access, it kind of sucks. It's not as powerful. And like, it does feel a little bit like they get to control the message. And like, listen, the Scotty episode,
Starting point is 00:47:43 I'm sure we'll be kind of entertaining with him getting arrested. But it's like, that happened now. eight months ago. Like that story, it'd be one thing if that came out three weeks later. Like, that's, we're almost in March of 2025. That was in the summer of 2024. And I, I just wonder if we're kind of at this point where it's like, if you don't get this figured out, none of this other shit matters. And I, I just wonder if it's diluting the product a little bit. And it's really starting to like, as someone that cares a lot about this, who consumes, like, I probably watched more.
Starting point is 00:48:17 Mexico open than like 98% of golf fans. Like it's sad. Like I do like watching golf tournaments. Even when I don't even know, like I didn't even know the guys in the lead. I never heard of him. I had never heard of whoever the guy that won Campbell.
Starting point is 00:48:32 Cool story. And it was awesome to watch him cry after with his girlfriend. Never heard of the guy. I couldn't, not only could I not pointed him out of a lineup, if you would have said his name and say, what sport does he play? I never would have guessed golf.
Starting point is 00:48:45 And I just think that you're in this spot where it's like, and then you're coming to the Honda Classic, which is no longer the Honda Classic because all these brands go, wait, we're already giving you 10 or 15, whatever million dollars to sponsor the tournament. And then you come back to me, you're like, well, our fields are shittier and we want more money. You're like, how does this add up? It's like all these, you know, the Wells Fargo yanked out. It's like, this doesn't pencil anymore. And it's called the Cognizant. Well, I'm pretty sure that Cognizant also sponsored the fall event too. So did they get a two for one?
Starting point is 00:49:22 And it's just, everything's off kilter. You know, for us is what the NFL is doing right now? Obviously, you know, football's always been more popular in golf. But just in terms of their business, it's never been stronger. And the reason their salary cap keeps driving up because they're making so much money, this feels the opposite. It not only feels very inflated, it feels like kind of, of like a house of cards and at any moment it could break and shatter and that's like going into the
Starting point is 00:49:50 Honda classic again I'm going to gamble on it but it's no longer called that why because your business operation is all out of whack so I think the only thing anyone of us can hope for is that they get this figured out a lot sooner than later now this tournament uh which I've watched over the years and gambled on you know this Florida swing is like next week can play really, really hard. I mean, they can grow out the rough, the wind can start pumping, and it can be very, very difficult
Starting point is 00:50:21 to play at Bay Hill. And, you know, talking to some guys that used to play on the tour, a lot of them don't really love Bay Hill. You know, Tiger had so much reverence for Arnold Palmer. And I had someone tell me this, a former tour player,
Starting point is 00:50:37 former winner on the PJ tour, that he thought, as these guys die off, that some of these courses that they play, like Arnold, that as they go away and they are no longer there, players feel less and less obligated to play these tournaments. And I think that will be the case, you know, whenever Jack, who's in his mid-80s, passes away in Memorial, which I would say Memorial is a better course than Bay Hill,
Starting point is 00:51:02 but it's like if it doesn't fit your schedule and it's not an elevated event and Jack is no longer there to greet you on 18th, like fuck it. I don't care. And it's just a natural, kind of way as as time goes on, people feel less and less connection and you just have to wonder
Starting point is 00:51:21 if this Florida swing is going to keep changing dramatically. But, you know, Joel Damon is a guy who kind of became famous with his Netflix episode a couple years ago. I do think he's playing.
Starting point is 00:51:34 The Mexico Open is just a bomb and gouge. You can bang it anywhere. It's a wide open resort course. And he's got 65-65. and he's probably a couple of putts away from being right there at the end. This swing, in theory, especially this course, should fit him a lot more. You know, guys like him and Keith Mitchell that should hit a lot of fairways. The thing with Joel, I mean, you can get him right now to top 20 at almost 4 to 1 on Draft Kings.
Starting point is 00:52:01 Billy Horshaw is another guy that I wrote down that I'm going to have some exposure to. To me, Joel Damon, Billy Horshaw, top 20s, Keith Mitchell, top 20. And here's another problem. When you have weak fields, I looked at Draft Kings today, every single player in the field to top 20 had even or better odds. Like, that's not a good thing. Typically, a tournament, you know, when the good players were there, Rory, Scotty, Zander, Ludwig, like, their top 20 odds can be like minus 200.
Starting point is 00:52:33 Scotty, sometimes the top 20 is like minus 300. You know, he's locked at top 20. And just something to keep an eye on. Let's answer some of your questions at GoLopod, at Go Lopod. I'll bang a couple out right now. Back in the Tiger Roger Federer days, when they both were around 13 to 14 majors, there was a lot of tennis and golf format comparisons,
Starting point is 00:52:54 and I can often see the similarities. As a tennis player, as an avid tennis player, who also golfs, my question is regarding the PGA finding a similar standard schedule, whereby tennis has four majors, but they also have nine master's tournaments, which are worth second most points and all top players are mandatory to attend.
Starting point is 00:53:14 All the tournament levels below that are optional to the player. I've always found it so hard to watch golf tournaments as the tournament name is the sponsor. I can't make heads or tails which are the big tournaments and which are the random events. I think you hit the nail on the head. The sport has to find a way.
Starting point is 00:53:34 Say whatever you want about Lyft. One thing they do well, if you're one of the 12,000 people that are watching one of these events, you know who's going to be there. All the fucking players that are signed to live, they're all going to play, unless they're injured. So when you look, you're like,
Starting point is 00:53:51 well, what Romshoot? What did Kepka shoot? What did Kempka shoot? What did Kempch? What did Anthony Kim shoot? Who I think I saw headline today? He got blood clots, so hopefully he's going to be okay. But that is not the case of the BGA tour. You're like, who's playing this week? Who's the betting favorite?
Starting point is 00:54:07 Shane Lowry forever, it's like you never knew, like you had a pretty good idea where Tiger played and where Tiger didn't, but he skipped a lot of tournaments. So it was always a really big deal
Starting point is 00:54:17 when Tiger and Phil were in the same place. Where it's like, when the bills play the Chiefs, I'm getting Josh Allen and my homes. So whatever they're figuring out with Yasser, with Jay Monaghan, with Donald and Tiger,
Starting point is 00:54:29 I hope they realize like, listen, I get you can't play 10 weeks in a row in golf. That's not the way it works. This isn't like some of these other sports. but how about everyone take the week off, right? And then come back the next week, and you can have the lower level players,
Starting point is 00:54:43 but at least acknowledge it. Like, this is a way shitty tournament, which they're kind of doing now. The difference is they come back like this week, like some guys that are good play, and some guys don't. They'll all be there next week, though. And I just think that, yeah, I hear you.
Starting point is 00:54:58 I wouldn't mind the tennis model at all. Four majors, and then maybe 10 real tournaments that everyone who matters plays in. Thanks for the most reason, pod. Obviously as an NFL guy, you were tied up until the Super Bowl, but I've been craving some go low. Thought this was perhaps your best pod. Excellent insight on the business side, as always,
Starting point is 00:55:15 and player focus was on point. An observation on Ludwig, it's not that easy. His recent dominance is a great sign of things to come, but the control he has is not always going to be there, as every golfer knows. We'll be interesting to see if his performance is this year and beyond, no doubt. Lastly, when you say you're going to do, hit balls, maybe includes spending an hour on your short game.
Starting point is 00:55:40 Most people do, more people do that, they'll score better. Play more. Just some advice. I actually played last Friday for the first time in months and shot 83, but I actually was hitting the ball like I would shoot 75. My putting is the worst I've ever putted in my entire life since I was probably like eight years old. I mean, my putting, and this was a new Scotty Cameron that Maria got me for my 40th birthday.
Starting point is 00:56:09 So it felt a little different than you get in your own head. But I need to go to the putting green and just putt. I have a putting green in my backyard. It's been here since we bought the house. And honestly, it's probably 15, 20 years old. I went out to hit a couple of putts the other day. It's in such bad shape. You, like, can't even figure it out.
Starting point is 00:56:28 I was looking to get a new putting green from my guys at Celebrity Greens. I had them come out, which I think I'm inevitably going to do, but it is not cheap. I mean, we're talking a number that's five figures that starts with a three for putting green. Actually, it was going to turf the side of my house too, but turf, man, I see these owners.
Starting point is 00:56:49 Like, yeah, we really need to spend that much on turf? Golf question, though. Just finished watching the Mexico open where the rookie hit the seven iron into the bunker, which ultimately cost him the tournament. We got to hear his caddy and him talk about it right before the shot, and I thought they were going to hit the six iron.
Starting point is 00:57:05 I know it's a common thing, but why do golfers always end up not taking enough club? Especially when hazards are known to add a stroke or two. A cut six would have landed on the chipping green. You know, what's funny is I was texting with my buddy Chris on that final, when they were playing the final hole and the guy got kicked out of the tree. I think the mistake he made,
Starting point is 00:57:31 and this is not Augusta or the U.S. Open, so you can attack pins. Your playing partner had just hit it in the shit. His ball went 220 yards. He took a three wood and then hit it up to like 80 yards or whatever. You are 330 yards down the right side of the fairway. Just hit the middle of the green. You hit the middle of the green, you birdie, you are essentially forcing him to get up and down with his wedge.
Starting point is 00:57:58 Now he ended up doing it, but you can't lose that way. You're not going to three putt. These greens are, you know, flat as a driveway. But he tried to hit this ball. And listen, I do it a lot too. I always think I hit the ball farther than I should. I'm actually really working on. When I'm 172 yards, like, don't try to swing out of your, you know what, to hit an 8 iron.
Starting point is 00:58:20 Choke down, hit a 7 iron. Just hit a full 7 iron. So what, you're 10 yards farther. I'm really, that's a 2025 focus of mine. But I'm with you. Then he comes up a yard or two short, and he's in the bunker. and it's like, well, why not just hit it to the middle of the green and not even take on the bunker?
Starting point is 00:58:36 And then I realized the guy's 20 years old, so it's like, hard to even blame. With the emergence of night golf, do you ever see the PGA hosting one-night tournament every year and giving it a party vibe similar to the waste management? I think the event being at night would get more TV viewers and also be something fun, unique to have, on at the bar, or at a buddy's place with a few drinks,
Starting point is 00:59:00 freshen the game up a bit. Have you ever night golfed? I have not. There is this place here in Arizona called grass clippings. It's essentially a par three that's made for under the lights. He actually was like the,
Starting point is 00:59:14 I think like the number two or three superintendent at TBC Scottsdale where waste management is. He got hired at grass clippings and they have, they've built a pretty good business. I think it's like 45 minutes away from where I'm sitting right now,
Starting point is 00:59:27 but I've wanted to get out there and try. I think the worst. One problem is to have a real tournament with real money, you know, playing at night on a real course, you know, grass clippings is you're off, I think you're on mats and you're basically just, you know, putting. The ball, the difference of, you know, the night, the do at night, depending on where you play,
Starting point is 00:59:50 does change how you play golf. And these players bitch and moan about everything. But just from a business standpoint, 100%. Why not? Now the problem is you're talking four or five hour rounds
Starting point is 01:00:04 so if you're starting at night especially in the summer are you playing somewhere where it gets dark at 8 o'clock or do you start when it's light out I don't know exactly how you would do that because if it was dark the whole time in the middle of June or July
Starting point is 01:00:20 are you teeing off at like 8.30 at night and you're not finishing until like 1.30? It's a little more... It sounds great And I'm with you. Like, you make a lot of sense. But then in practice, it becomes a little more complicated. I feel like many other people.
Starting point is 01:00:38 I love playing golf. Maybe go once a week during the summer. I'm 23. Got to work. I feel you dog. But hate watching it on television. I love a weekly segment on good bets. Betts you're making to get me interested.
Starting point is 01:00:48 Maybe a long record on how you've done predicting certain things. Like I said, Joel Damon, Billy Horshiel, are two guys I'm hitting this week. Keith Mitchell probably as well. Those are three, partly because of the odds. And I think any time you get some of these random tournaments Hidden guys that are 20 to 1 I mean Daniel Berger who showed some signs of life A couple weeks ago at waste management
Starting point is 01:01:09 Most weeks up until a couple weeks ago You get him at like 100 to 1 And then coming in this week he's 25 to 1 I like Shane Lowry But Shane Lowry on a weekly basis is like 55 to 1 And he's 22 to 1 What do you think of TGL league? I saw a few matches and I have to admit
Starting point is 01:01:28 It's pretty entertaining Yeah, I would say it's just It's an easy watch I think it's just an easy watch But like I said earlier I think it's I think there's just a lot going on And I think it'd be
Starting point is 01:01:43 Early in the season Flying these guys across the country Once they build a couple more You know I would imagine they'll build one here in Scottsdale Maybe in Vegas That would help to travel a little bit But I give a lot of credit to You know all the guys that are really into it
Starting point is 01:01:59 And I think, you know, Tony Fienel last night made his debut. He was really into it. JT is just a great, I would say, spokesman personality for golf. He's just always willing to just be out front. The gala, Morcawa. Wyndham Clark has tried hard. I mean, I haven't watched. I've watched bits and pieces.
Starting point is 01:02:21 But, like, yeah, Can't Lay and Cam Young aren't going to be entertaining. No shit. My wife and I are going to the Arnold Palmer, Saturday tickets. in March and that will be our first big tournament. Any recommendations for the best tournament experience? T-boxes, greens, or just pick a group and follow along. I take it you have general admission. If you have general admission,
Starting point is 01:02:47 there are going to be certain players, you know, Scotty Sheffler, Roarie are going to be there, that are going to get treated like Tiger Woods. So it's extremely hard to watch them play golf. Because unless you're Shaquille O'Neal, the depth of human beings trying to watch them hit a shot is like 8 to 15 deep. So it's very, very difficult. What I have done in the past is followed random people.
Starting point is 01:03:15 And at the Arnold Palmer, because it's an elevated event, your randoms are still going to be really good. And you might be able to just follow them for like nine holes and pretty easy be able to see everything. Now, what I like to do with these golf tournaments is, you know, set up in a tent and booze and watch it on television. But I think I've never been to Bay Hill, but if there's a if there's like a area where you can sit and watch a green and a T-box, you can kind of double down. I've done that.
Starting point is 01:03:46 You can do that at Pebble. You can watch them tee off on four and hit their approach out on 17. So anytime that you can find like a grandstand where you get a double shot, you get like two different holes, whether that's a green and a T-box, whether that's two, T-boxes, I think that's kind of key. Maybe you just want to go and get some steps in, just walk around. You just kind of explore.
Starting point is 01:04:12 That's a difference. Like, you go to a baseball game, a basketball game, a football game, a soccer game, a tennis match. Like, you just sit there and watch, right? It's pretty, like, there's not much gray area, right? You want to get food or go to the bathroom or whatever? It's like a concert. You go there to do that, and then you go back
Starting point is 01:04:27 to your seat. You know, golf, you kind of do whatever you want. I just I'd take it all in. I'd walk around. If you've never been there, I'd walk all around the property. But be careful because it's in Florida, so Gators. What are your four picks for the four golf majors? I love hearing your discourse on professional golf
Starting point is 01:04:47 as one of my other favorite sports talking figures don't typically discuss golf. I would say that it would be stunning if Scotty Shepler doesn't win one of the majors this year. He clearly, I mean, coming off the injury, but he's just too good to not win another major. So I don't know if that's necessarily going to be the Masters, but I would be stunned if Scottie Sheffler doesn't win a major.
Starting point is 01:05:15 I also think he's playing some of the best golf of his life, and I know that he won his majors early in his career, but you can't hit the rim that many times and not have eventually the ball go in the hoop. Like, eventually you're going to score. and like Rory has been so good in these majors the last couple years. The U.S. Open at LACC. The British Open at when he lost to Camp Smith.
Starting point is 01:05:45 He couldn't make a birdie on a, you know, on Sunday at the old course. Last year against Bryson. Honestly, I think Scott and Schaeff and Rory McElroy were both going to win a major this year. I would say Ludwig is going to be in the mix in one of these tournaments. Now, can he close a major? I don't know. But I would say that it would be stunning if he's not right there. You know, Zander won two of them last year.
Starting point is 01:06:13 And then let's face it, like, kind of in a weird thing going on right now. Because golf is not like, there's no Adam Schaefter or Shams getting updates on like, what's going on with Zander Shafley's health? It's like, is his rib okay? Like, has he gotten four surgeries since? has he just been resting? You know, in all these other sports, we would be getting updates.
Starting point is 01:06:35 Like Jeff Passon would be like, yeah, Shohayotani's Tommy John is going well. We should see him make a rehab start in three weeks. In golf, it's just crickets, which there's no governing body. Which would be nice now that we're all talking about gambling to be like, you know, Zander said he's three to four weeks out. Or Zander is, like, no one has to talk about it
Starting point is 01:06:58 because if he doesn't go to a tournament, you don't hear anything. I would say, like, I would bet on Zander to win, but fuck, I don't know, what if his, I don't know, he just disappeared. I would say the other guy that, I mean, last year was a major factor, right? Could have won the PGA when he was trying to chase down Zander, beat Rory at the U.S. Open, and by far had his best outing of his career at the Masters. Is whatever Bryson has done these last couple years, and clearly, you know, him changing his clubs and the 3D irons and the crank driver. He's in a, and just his personality where he's at as a human being, the success he's having
Starting point is 01:07:38 on YouTube, he does feel like he's in a phenomenal place. And his golf last year in the majors was elite. So like, I know this is kind of chalky, but like, how are you betting against Scotty Sheffler, Roy McElroy, Ludwig, Bryson? I would say one guy that's kind of a sleeper who's playing really good golf and has a little bit of a chip on his shoulder because last year was so shitty would be J.D. Like the other thing you see in these majors is like, look who won the majors last year. It was Scotty Sheffler.
Starting point is 01:08:10 It was Zander Schaulet twice. And it was Bryson D. Chambot. It's like, well, who would have won if they didn't win? Well, Bryson would have won another one. Rory would have beat him. Like, the golf has really separated. These top guys, like Scotty Schaeffler, Bryson DeChambo, Ludwig, Morcawa, are so much better than just these random guys.
Starting point is 01:08:30 And the cool part about golf, it doesn't mean a random guy can't have a moment and be in the mix, but I have a hard time seeing them beat these players. I really do. And typically,
Starting point is 01:08:41 when you look at guys that win all majors, you know, historically, it's the top guys. And right now we got three or four guys in the peak of their powers. You know,
Starting point is 01:08:51 if John Rom could ever get a shit together, I just have a hard time betting against the elite guys. So if you told me that like this year is like last year, where it's just like the equivalent of Xander twice, Bryson, Scottie. It's like Rory, J.T. and Scotty twice, you know,
Starting point is 01:09:09 or Bryson, if Zander came back, Ludwig. Like, I just, I'd be stunned if that group doesn't win several majors this year. Not exactly sure how it's going to play out, but. Who are your guests for the Ryder Cup team, both Europe and USA, as we see here today? Would you bet on Europe to win? win. It feels like they have a much deeper and talented team. A team of Rory, Ludwig, Victor Rom, Hatt and Fleetwood, Sepsraka, and Shane Lowry feel so much better than anything currently in the U.S. I would say if they played in two weeks, I would bet on Europe. I mean, they have Rory and
Starting point is 01:09:47 Ludwig, and it's hard to even gauge Rom, but let's just assume Rom's playing well. Their top three, I mean, with Zander being out, is better than our top three. It's like they got three Scotty's. So I'd be a little nervous. Now, the one thing that's going to be a huge advantage for us is it is going to be bananas. I mean, New York City, the heat, the booze. I bet there's an altercation. Hopefully not.
Starting point is 01:10:22 Not rooting for an altercation, but it would not shock me if there's one at all. So I think it's hard to. I mean, so much changes. I mean, last year at this time, like Max Homo is one of the best American players. And then he almost won the Masters. And then he just became bad at golf. So you just, the thing with golf,
Starting point is 01:10:42 you know, it's like in other sports, you get injured and it can derail your career or derail your season. But it's rare. Like, you would have a bad, like, quarterbacks have bad games. But like, it's guys bounce back. Like in golf, it's like, all of a sudden,
Starting point is 01:10:56 it's like, why is this guy playing so poorly? It's like, I was just bad right now. I have lost it. I don't know what to do. Hell, it happens to you when you're playing. Like me putting last week. I feel like I don't know what I'm doing putting. I'm never putting in a putter to play a round of golf
Starting point is 01:11:12 in which I have not played around in a long time and not practice putting. That was a bad idea. Okay, last question. Thanks for keeping up with the content before your wedding. It's kept me sane. I wanted to ask you if you have anything
Starting point is 01:11:28 you're personally going to do on your wedding day. Mentors you'll seek advice from. Do a certain activity. Listen to anything in particular. I know the day will be a blur and should be. But I make sure to take time and appreciate it. Thanks. I'm going to meditate.
Starting point is 01:11:48 And no, I, on my wedding day, probably get up, have a little breakfast, get a sweat in. And then, I don't know, lounge around. I mean, that's not nothing. I know plans. We were going to play golf next Thursday in Nashville, but it was the high of 45 degrees.
Starting point is 01:12:17 And I have a personal rule. I don't really play golf if it's under like 55 degrees. Now, if I'm on the road, might make exceptions, especially a great course. The high of 45, like that's just, that's too cold. golf baseball made for warm weather so not doing that anymore sucks because this week's pretty good weather in Nashville
Starting point is 01:12:39 but next week's supposed to be cold but I would say on my wedding day I may hang out with my mom brother I don't I haven't even you know when you're in the midst of like wedding planning and I've had to kind of jump in and participate
Starting point is 01:12:59 I would say the last week you don't you're just you're just kind of living in the moment you know you it's it's hard for me even to think about when we haven't even discussed the vows and how that's going to work we'll have to do that here in the next couple days uh or the next week i mean we just went this morning to get the marriage license you know sounds like football coach cliche you're just kind of living day to day but i i don't i'm i'm a pretty routine oriented guy um yeah like going to the gym every day to get a sweat makes me feel a little bit better uh get a little bit better uh get a little food. One thing I probably will do is order a, what's it called, a IV to my hotel room to get an IV on
Starting point is 01:13:43 Saturday. But, well, I did, I've heard a lot of people talk. A lot of people I have a lot of admiration for, and just people that I follow that discuss that they meditate. Maybe I'm going to start, I thought about actually doing that this morning. I woke up. I couldn't go fall back to sleep at like 545. And you know, the first thing you typically do is like grab your phone, which is like, why am I scrolling Instagram 545 in the morning? Why not just get up and go outside? It's kind of cold. Just go in the other room.
Starting point is 01:14:17 Just be in your thoughts for 10 minutes, 20 minutes. I'm really jealous of people that were able to do that. Mentor advice. Like I think I got a pretty good handle on talking to people. over the course of my life. And I, you know, you got to be a better person and try to do things that are less about you and selfless and things like that and check your ego at the door, some in fights. But I tell people all the time, like, we've been living together now for two years.
Starting point is 01:14:51 You know, we bought this house together a year and a half ago. This is not, you know, we're not in an old school relationship here, right? this has been I've essentially been married for a long time it's just not quote unquote official there hasn't been a wedding but like our families have known each other for years now it's just it's and maybe that's the norm and I would imagine most of my friends were kind of that way a lot of people in my life but also some people were not that way
Starting point is 01:15:23 but it's in a weird way it doesn't feel like I mean it's a big day for you know my family specifically my mom, but it doesn't feel like a lot is going to change the next day. Besides, I'm going to have a ring on my finger that is weird. I'm not a huge jewelry guy to begin with.
Starting point is 01:15:41 I know it's all the fashion of guys like wearing chains. I just, I can't really pull that off. Not that I even want to, but I've never been a ring guy. I was watching golf the other day. I was watching Adam Scott play with Grant Horvatt. I was like, is he wearing his wedding ring?
Starting point is 01:15:58 Is he even married? Do guys wear their wedding ring when they play golf? Do you wear your wedding ring when you work out? Do I wear it if I go in the steam room and the sauna? Do you wear it in the shower? I don't know. These are things I have to, like, that's, those are things that I'm more interested in and, like, advice on life.
Starting point is 01:16:16 You know, part of it is I'm 40. You know, I'm not 27. I'm not 32. I'm a weathered 42. Like, I've seen a lot of shit. Not saying I have all the answers by any means. not at all but I think
Starting point is 01:16:31 I would be much more inclined to do stuff like that if I was younger and I'm not opposed not like I'm anti-advice or whatever but yeah just try to
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