The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Tomlin or McCarthy for the Giants? AJ Brown Speaks Out, Browns Drama & Purdy’s Future

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

On this episode of 3 & Out with John Middlekauff, John debates which coach, Mike Tomlin or Mike McCarthy would be the better fit for the New York Giants. He reacts to AJ Brown’s latest comments about the Eagles, digs into Paul DePodesta’s comments about the Browns and Watson, and he discusses whether the 49ers should stick with Brock Purdy moving forward. Later, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment.  02:49 - AJ Brown's comments 11:36 - Giants head coaching job 16:04 - Paul DePodesta's comments 22:55 - Brock Purdy 32:01 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Use promo code “3ANDOUT20” on https://nicokick.com/zone for 20% off at checkout! Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I don't even know if he was playing video games Clearly there was someone playing video games And he was on Twitch talking to the guy It's like you stream video games And a bunch of people watch There's actually a bunch of multi-millionaires That became famous just on this thing called Twitch And a lot of little kids actually now

just watch people on YouTube play video games It's really popular You'd be like, what are you talking about? I'm like, yeah AJ Brown said, don't take me on my fantasy or on your fantasy team. He's like, well, it's not even factually incorrect

like he's kind of on to something. But I was thinking about this. As someone who's about to have a child, and I do believe ideally as you get older, you learn to manage stress better, right? Especially for men. When we're younger, we can be volatile.

We definitely can fly off the handles. It's something that I've worked on. I still continue to work on the way I handle stress, my emotions. and as you get more on your plate, you have more people depending on you. You got to be able to handle yourself

when shit hits the fan sometimes. Anyone can handle themselves. I don't care what you're doing when things are going well. What about when things go poorly? And it's why I say it all the time in football, it's impossible to judge what a position coach will be like

as a coordinator or head coach because they have no pressure on them from the outside. They really do not. No one talks about position coaches. But the moment you become an offensive or defensive coordinator, not only does everyone know your name, if you have a bad game, everyone wants you fired.

And if you become a head coach, you not only are being asked questions about those guys, you're also being asked questions about yourself and everything going on in the team. So your ability to handle stress and crazy situations are something that you have to become numb to and numb to fast. Because if you do not, it'll eat you alive. And that's just a random football team, let alone a team like the Philadelphia Eagles that are in one of the biggest media markets in America and are just a highly polarizing team year in, year out.

And the other thing is like the owner and the GM are kind of unfazed by controversy at this point. Honestly, it feels like they welcome it at times. So being a head coach in that organization is not that easy. And here's the thing. And I've been, I'm guilty of this. I'll be the first to admit it. I've been hard on Siriani over the years. but like he's 55 and 22.

He's just won the Super Bowl. Like, there's not much to say. I mean, at this point in time, Mike Tomlin was talked about like he was Bear Bryant meets Bill Walsh back 15 years ago. Look at Mike Tomlin. Hasn won a playoff game

in 9 or 10 years. Goes 9 and 8 every year. People like, oh, on scholarship will be a coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers for life. People are like, what is Siriani's deal? Why know this? He handles a lot of shit.

And specifically with his quarterback and AJ Brown. And he does it pretty well. And like at this point in time, AJ Brown's proving, I googled it today. I was like, didn't the Eagles, I remember when they traded for him, they gave him a contract. And I'm pretty sure they gave him a large contract extension within the last 18 months. That's true. Last year, 2004. They gave him three years, $96 million. I'm no mathematician, but pretty sure that's on average $32 million a year. And when you're someone like AJ Brown, I say it all the time. When you are the elites, even if your stats are down, you typically see every penny of your contract.

So when Howie Roseman trades him to someone this offseason, which I'm sure is going to happen, that money's going to keep flowing into AJ Brown. So he's a great example. I've never had that much money, but I do subscribe to the opinion that money doesn't buy happiness. It does buy boats and mansions and private planes and send your kids to private school. But it does not make you internally happy when you're a wide receiver and they're not throwing you the ball. AJ Brown is living proof of that. that. But Seriani has to deal with this. And he has to answer to this every single week multiple

times because he speaks on Monday or excuse me, yeah, he speaks on Monday, he usually speaks on Wednesday, he speaks on Friday, and then he speaks again after the game. Because that's what you have to do as a head coach. And the number one question they're asking you about when AJ throws flames back to the fire is this. And if he's able to make a long run in the playoffs, even if he's just in the championship game again, Like this is a type situation that I would say melts a lot of teams You know people have talked about this over the years I think Pat Riley coined the disease of me I remember I think it was like John Lynch or John Gruden

Or one of those guys told the story about after they won the Super Bowl You know the next year It looked like everyone was pulling up to training camp And a little nicer car You had a couple more holdouts People wanted raises It's part of the deal and it's I'll be honest, I think it's easy to coach the underdog.

It's easy to start at the bottom and start working your way up. The wind blows the strongest at the top of the mountain. And most coaches crumble in the situation. I actually think Syriani's done a really good job. So I actually kind of understand the more you've seen this situation and the more he's kind of held it together of why they value him. And Jeffrey Lurie said this before, he's great with working with people. And wasn't that what we said about Tomlin for so long?

his ability to like, God, look at Antonio Brown. I mean, shit, really look at him now. My wife was like, have you seen this story on Antonio Brown? I'm like, Maria. Any headline for Antonio Brown, I would say over, ever since his feet got burned, my first reaction is, I'm out. I don't give a shit. So I've seen it, but I have no opinion and I refuse to click on the article.

But Tomlin got a lot of credit because the moment he got rid of him, he was cut by the other team within like two weeks of training camp. And I'm not saying AJ Brown is that, obviously. But these are situations that would destroy coaches that don't have the ability to handle their team and can't handle the stress and can't handle the arrows. On top of like his team on a weekly basis is like not playing great. So he's trying to hold that together.

He's got an offensive coordinator who's under fire. So I think Nick Siriani has had a really, really impressive year. Speaking of a guy that's had an impressive year, he hasn't even done anything. It's Mike McCarthy. And last year he was fired, I was like, I think one of these teams is going to hire him. Turns out he didn't get hired. And now it's looking like jobs are coming open left and right. And there are not many Ben Johnsons and Mike Frables out there.

So when I saw the headline from Pro Football Talk that Mike McCarthy is now the betting favorite to be their next head coach, I went. Make some sense. And I've been saying Mike Tomlin, if the Steelers, you know, crash and burn, which they're in the middle of crashing and burning as we speak. But when you're the New York Giants, like they've tried all these coordinators and they have blown up in their face. Clearly, this time around, they're going to go out. If Mike Vrable was on the market, they would have been crazy to not offer them like $20 million a year. Like they need someone with the chops that has been a head coach and someone that's had success. That's why I thought Mike Tomlin, makes some sense. But sometimes I forget, because he's kind of out of sight, out of mind,

Mike McCarthy. He checks a lot of boxes. First and foremost, he coached Aaron Rogers and the Packers, which is, you know, it's weird because they're in such a small little town. My buddy Chris, who was just actually there a couple days ago, was taking me pictures of like how, I've never been there, but the, you know, the community just surrounds Lambo. Like, it's obviously, the smallest market in the league, but one of, if not the biggest brand. And it's ebbed and flowed a little bit. I wouldn't say it's the biggest brand in 2025, but it's a top four or five brand in the league because they've been winning for three and a half decades. I gave the staff the other night. They've been 32 straight years on Monday night football.

32 straight years on Monday night football. You don't do that unless you win. And Mike McCarthy can handle the bright lights. He just worked for Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys, which is obviously the most valuable franchise, but also the most talked about franchise, the most polarizing franchise, and one where you literally answer the owner because he's also the GM. So like Mike McCarthy,

if you're like, well, how's he going to handle the New York market? You know for a fact that he can handle it. Because for almost 20 years, he coached the Packers and the Cowboys. And then two, you go, okay, he can handle the big picture, the media, being the headman. What about his chops to coach?

Can he develop a quarterback? it's like he literally developed Aaron Rogers and Dak Prescott, when he became the play caller, had one of, I think if not his best statistical season of his career. So I would say Mike McCarthy is known as an offensive quarterback guy. So if you're looking for someone from Jackson Dart, you could make the argument if me and you are sitting in a room and we were talking like, if we had two options,

we can, we're going to have access to Mike Tomlin or we can get Mike McCarthy. Well, it's like, I don't think we'd, go really, if you're the Giants, you would die for either. Like, they will just get you going on the right track. Look what he did for Dallas. Because he's like, well, he didn't win in the playoffs. The Giants would die to just be in the playoffs.

The Giants would just die to be in the playoff mix come December 1st, let alone December 31st, let alone playing a January game. Pretty sure they've been to one playoff game, I guess two, because they won it, the two games they played in with Dayball, whatever, three years ago, in the last basically decades since 2016. So just getting there is a huge achievement for this franchise. And I think if we were talking like, who should we hire?

Mike Tomlin or Mike McCarthy? Well, we go, we do have Jackson Dart and he's going to need someone to work with him because while he does have a lot of talent, we need to mold it and we need to get the best out of them. Like obviously Tomlin can lead the group, but like he's not coaching the quarterback. Right. I've seen Mike Tomlin deal with quarterbacks all over the map post Big Ben. I think Mike McCarthy might win out in that situation. So I think the downfall of McCarthy has really been,

didn't get over the hump multiple times with Aaron Rogers, and obviously couldn't win playoff games with Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys at home. He lost two home playoff games to the 49ers and to the Packers. It's hard to shake that in the first round. It really is. But I would say if I'm Joe Shane, Mike McCarthy would make a lot of sense.

The Browns and Paul D. Podesta. One piece of advice I give, because I do agree, like, coward's big thing is with advice, it's really hard to give generic advice to people when everyone's path is so different. Everyone has different desires. Everyone, most people want to attain different things. So to, like, give one individual piece of advice to, like, generically over and over is not going to resonate with a lot of people. And I'm like, I completely agree with that. But any young person that says, hey, I'm a senior in college or, hey, I'm fresh out of college, I want to get involved in sports.

The one piece of advice I will continually give is if you want to do it, you've got to go all in on it and just handle not making much early on to try to get over the hump, you know, at some point in time in your career, ideally earlier than later. But it's going to be tough sledding early on. You are not going to make very much money. And if you do take a real world job, if you're like, you know, I'm just going to try. Like, hey, I got an offer from Morgan Stanley. I had a buddy. I wouldn't call my buddy. I had an acquaintance, a guy that was reaching out and asked me for advice,

finally called and said, listen, I got an offer. I think it was from like Chase Bank. I said, hey, you take this job, which I don't blame you at all. You're going to make way more money over the course of the next couple years than you ever would. working in sports marketing, working in whatever path that you wanted to take in college athletics. But just know this. If you do accept that job,

you're never coming back. Because you'll start making money. You'll start living a different lifestyle. And it's going to be very, very different, very hard to transition. I can only speak for myself, but I never had a plan B. And I had options to work at Chase Bank or Wells Fargo.

But I never did that. I only did one thing. And I was pretty singular-minded when it came to where I wanted to go and what I wanted to attempt to achieve. And I actually saw, I clicked on a YouTube video the other day of Matt Patricia. And I don't know if I forget, it was a podcast or an interview. And he basically said that early on, remember, he was an aerospace engineer. I think he played college football.

And he had a big offer out of college, I think to make like, you know, this is 25 years ago, 20 years ago, early 2000s or late 90s to like a six-figure job. like, you know, one of the military, industrial, Lockheed Martin or one of those. And then a guy in college football, like a former coach or something, offered him essentially like a GA spot or an assistant coaching for like $5,000. And he trusted his gut and he followed his passion. And his family thought he was on drugs. And you've heard a lot of stories like that from coaches. But I do think you have to pick a path and not look at it. at other options. Because if you look at other

options, I think it's, people talk about this all the time in the dating world and like, what's wrong with young people? It's like, well, if you can see these dating apps, like, it's just, there weren't that many options in the 50s. It's why a lot of people in the 50s and 60s, like, married the first person they dated. I mean, the world wasn't as flat then.

You didn't have access to the person in the town next to you, let alone states, you just couldn't communicate. You just kind of took what you could get and you just, you guys rolled with it. Her too. I mean, it's two-way street. And I saw Paul D. Podesta left the Cleveland Browns. And no one truly knows what his role, like how much juice he had.

He clearly had enough juice. Because even he was quoted in an article about Deshaun Watson of like, we all own this. It's like, we do all own this? Like, who was the guy pounding the table and said, this is a good idea to trade for this guy? Obviously, the owner had to okay it and give him the money, but like, were you one of those guys? that said it was a good idea? Because if you did, you own that. Was Stefanski saying that? Because if so, he owns that. If he wasn't, then he does not own this. And I think Paul D. Podesta is a good example of a guy that helped Shepard a record of 56, 99, and one that he had other options because he

wasn't a football guy. He's a baseball guy. And as it got uglier and uglier, he just became the guy running the Colorado Rockies. He said, see you guys. Have fun. I'm jumping. off this boat, literally going to another one, and my life's going to be fine. And I just got another four or five year contract, probably paying me two, three, four, five million, whatever. You guys are fucked. And I started thinking about this. Most people in football have been plan A, there is no plan B. Players, most players, all they focus on in their young careers, like, how do I get better of football? What do I got to do a football? What do I have to do to get my next contract and they are pretty singular minded of just trying to improve and being the best player

possible. Most coaches and executives are the same thing. You don't coach football for like 20 years and at 45 like, I'm going to just start selling insurance. Not really the way it works. You've worked on this craft. You're all in. You're just a scout out there at 40 years old and you've been doing it for since you were 23. You don't have much real world experience. Like I'll just start working at Wells Fargo. You don't have those options. But Paul D. P. Pell Odesta got involved with all these other guys, right, we're just football guys. That's what they do.

They're football GMs, football coaches. Yet he could always jump ship. Because I don't care what he says, he could always kind of put his foot in the other pond of baseball. And he literally just did this and he leaves these guys high and dry. So I think it's a good example. And whether it's sports or whatever, when you get into someone who is not all in on what you are,

doing, especially in a pressure-packed business, right? Like football, like basketball, like baseball, like finance, you name it. It doesn't just have to be sports. If that guy has other options, and you don't, he will leave you. And that's exactly what happened. And Paul D. Podesta will leave a stain on this organization. When you say his name, I don't even think at this point in time, you think of Jonah Hill and Billy Bean in Moneyball. I think of the guy that helped really ruin the Browns, like make them a complete laughing stock. And he doesn't care. He'll probably buy some big ass house in Denver and be a spring training, and the

Browns are their problem now. And I think, you know, this starts with Jimmy Haslam. When you hire people from outside situations that aren't, that work their way up in football, like Nick Casario. Let's use him as an example of the Houston, Texas. They obviously got a big comeback win the other day. let's just say the season would have imploded, right? It's not like he has the option of like, you know what, I'll just go run the Houston Astros. Or you know what? I'll just go give Pat Riley a call

and go work with the Miami Heat. He's a football guy. His entire life has been dedicated to football, and most specifically the NFL. That wasn't Paul D. Podesta. So I think the Browns wanted to look cute. They wanted to think outside the box. It got them a lot of media credit at the beginning of this situation because he's an intellectually, you know, viewed as like a high level, just a lot of brain power up there, right? But who cares if you don't know what you're doing, which he clearly did not? And then when the house was on fire, he didn't grab a hose and help put it out. He literally just got in his car and drove off. So if I was a Cleveland Brown fan, my first reaction to this guy would be like,

fuck you. Excuse my language of your children. And last but not least, Brock Purdy. I saw a headline today. Oh, it's not a headline. It's just a story. Marvin Harrison Jr.

is appendicitis. He's out this week. He's going to be gone for a couple weeks. And they have, I saw a headline today that the Arizona Cardinals had to do a walk through a practice on Wednesday afternoon because they have so many injuries. Clearly they're in shambles.

They just got their just doors, blown off by the Seattle Seahawks. And they got problems. They play the 49ers this week in Glendale. It'll be, I would guess, 80% 49er fans. I mean, it's always the majority 49er fans. But now that the Cardinals suck, if you told me it was close to 90%, I believe you. I was of the opinion.

If Brock Purdy, unless he is 100% and can't get re-injured, I'm just rolling with Mack Jones. Now, I'm not naive. I'm not dumb. My decision is I didn't just give him $200 million. dollars. Literally Jed York guaranteed him $188 million. The way pro sports work, I'll never forget it when I was a kid. The Sacramento Kings had Chris Weber, and we were so awesome. We had Mike Bibby, we had Pagia, we had Vlotti, we had Bobby Jackson, we had Hito Turculu. The team was badass. And

then Chris Weber tore his knee. And then the next season, he couldn't play for like 80% of it. And I'm pretty sure the Sacramento Kings had the best record in the NBA. Well, they had just given them like $100 million. And this was 25 years ago. He was going to start the moment he could quote unquote play. And that's what he did. And then the team fell apart. And it was never the same.

And Chris Weber's career basically ended. It was the beginning of the end. And it was also the beginning of the end of the Sacramento Kings. But there is pressure when you pay a guy a lot of money. And you know, you can't lose your job to injury is the old adage. And there's some truth to that. But when you get paid a premium, there is no, not only not losing your job, job, which he never was going to do, but the moment you can play, the coach and the organization

is going to put you back in. I just believe this, that Mack Jones has played really well this season, and he has a couple games, just like last week against, and he's played the Rams twice, and he lit him up like Chris. He's looked fantastic. Now, if Brock Purdy is healthy, I would take Brock Purdy over Mac Jones, and I like Mac Jones, but Brock Purdy's proven he's a better player. I do think there's a lot of pressure on him this week, because let's face it. When Brock plays, he's one of the most polarizing guys in the league. That's not going to change this week if it doesn't go well. They're going to be favored in this game.

They are favored in this game. And the Cardinals are viewed as a team that's about to completely unravel. So to me, I just hope for everyone's sake, so we don't have to talk about it all week, Brock can just show up, assuming he plays, and just play well. Because if he doesn't and they were to lose, then I think we got a big story on our hands. especially if Pearsall, by all accounts, looks like he is going to practice this week and potentially play come Sunday.

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His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid.

He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stopped by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball.

Like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Oh, yeah. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHeart Podcasts presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne.

Yeah. This is my best friend Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later. We're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips, wider.

This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drink. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar or something here?

Just hit it. What are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? I would buy it. Cuts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky I'm not a drug addict.

You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You're lucky I'm not a killer. I love this team and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Saigon. of my family and of the country that shaped us. The United States will not stand by and allow any power, however great, take over another country.

From My Heart Podcasts, Saigon. Please allow me to introduce Joseph Sherman. You don't think I'm serious about a free Vietnam? I should stop talking so much. I like hearing you talk. One city, a divided country, and the war that tore America apart. This is for Vietnam. I've taken a hit from Japanese ground fire.

Do you rate me? They're pouring petrol all over him. He's holding matches. I'm on a landmine. Or freeze on. Let's get out. Freedom, bomb it. Run!

Saigon, starring Kelly Marie Tran and Rob Benedict. Sting, here's madness. The world should hear about this. There's a fire coming to this country, and it's going to burn out everything. Listen to Saigon on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We're going to do a mailback. Ad John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram firing those DMs.

Questions answered here on the show. Again, just my name on Instagram, DMs wide open. And we will start with Ben. Huge fan of the show and the Packers. When looking at the NFC North, who is the best position for success over the next two or three years? I feel like our options are limited now with so much money tied up in Parsons and Love.

And I feel like we went from the best young, team in the league to dog shit in the blink of a... I would... You're not that bad. I would say, the lions are the only team with a quarterback who's proven, like, I mean, Jared Goss been playing at a high level for a long time. Caleb's, they're about to play a lot of big games. You know, it's one thing to light up the bangles, the cowboys, or the giants.

Let's see how he plays against Packers. You've got two games against Packers' defense. I don't know. We'll see, right? J.J. McCarthy is not only a major wildcard, I mean, it looked like Justin Jefferson was quitting on him in his forced start. And I would say you guys, I mean, there's just a lot of pressure right now on the floor. Even the people that cover the Packers are like, this guy's fighting for his job now.

So Dan Campbell not only is not fighting for his job, he's the best coach the Lions have ever had. And obviously, Jared Goff is a solid quarterback. But the other thing is, they're well positioned because, like, Aidan Hutchinson is a star. Like, Brian Branch is a high-end player, right? La Porta, Aminra, Sewell, Gibbs, Montgomery, Jameson Williams. These guys are all young and under contract. So I would still lean the Lions.

We're going to learn a lot about the Lions this week. I think the other night on Monday night, I said that Philly was going back-to-back road games, was wrong on that one. My bad. And as I say, my bad is get your ass kicked. Podcasts they don't. They just mistakes and we move on. But the Philadelphia Eagles are hosting the Lions.

So that's a big game for the Lions. It's actually a bigger game for the Lions than the Eagles, I think. As a defensive coordinator in today's league, is it tougher to fend the run or the pass? Love the show. I think it depends on your personnel. I would say for most guys, given their personnel, if you have a good running game, it's harder to stop the run.

20, 30 years ago, you had a bunch of big run-stuffing guys in your front seven. linebackers included. I mean, how many guys in the league would he be like, this guy's a downhill run stuffer? Like, I love Fred Warner. He's a Hall of Fame player. Fred Warner is a sideline to sideline, beats guys on angles.

He's not like meeting Lorenzo Neal or Mike Allstott in the hole and shedding him and making the dad. It's not really how he plays. You know, so I just think the style of player is a lot different now at linebacker and just a lot of teams don't employ like 340-pound defensive linemen because they have no pass rush.

And a lot of times you just got to beat passers. And even if you're playing like a rushing team, if they got a good quarterback like Lamar Jackson, like having a 340-pound guy there, it's like, well, what's he going to do? Chase down Lamar Jackson? You know, so it's, I just think the personnel has changed a lot. I definitely think it is stopping the run. Again, if you're facing a good run team.

Whenever I see a lot of people going, you know, this team's terrible against the runs. Like, well, yeah, they don't have the players. And what are they going to do? Draft a bunch of 260-pound linebackers? Watch college. That guy does not exist. There are a lot more.

I saw the clip of, honestly, I haven't watched much Ohio State this year just because they are beating the shit out of everybody. I mean, obviously they're elite. But whoever their best player is, that pass rusher, I saw some clips. I was like, God, this guy. I think Dane Brugler, I was reading an article.

I forget the kid's name, but he's a baller. It looks like Michael Parsons. There's just a lot of Micah Parsons. Look at the best defensive lineman and Abdul Carter. It was like Micah Parsons 2.0, the Ohio State guy. There are a lot of guys like that. There aren't a lot of like, this guy's an all-around, pass-rushing, defensive, run-stuffing edge guy.

So you get paid to rush the passer. College too, really. A good question. My question for the pod is, Do you share the same optimism as me when it comes to the Chargers chance of winning the Super Bowl in the next year? I think we have a major advantage with Jim, having familiarity with the players in the draft, and having a top five quarterback, two great tackles, some young studs, and some young weapons, thanks to advantage. I would buy Charger stock, right?

Let's just say the Chargers were on the stock market. And let's just say they are currently a $100 stock. I'd be like, I easily could see this thing going to 350 in the next three years. Right? Here's what I do know. With Jim Harbaugh, that $100 is not going to be $50. Right. So now, is it going to go to 175 or is it going to go to 450?

I do think it has a huge upside. So I was telling someone this the other day, though, the Slater injury, like he had a devastating knee injury. There is a chance that he's never the same. But you got Joel. so it wouldn't be as crippling, but you just gave him a lot of money. So that could impact financially the salary cap a little bit if he's never the same, which I'm rooting for him to get it right, but it was bad.

And I think it was like Ayuk, right? Ligaments, knee, I mean, anytime the Patella, the ligaments, the ACL, it's a problem. Question for the show. Do you think LaFleur is that bad of a coach? No, I don't. I've never said that. This might be confirmation bias. I've never been high on love, but I personally think

Jay Lowe. Oh, that's Jordan Love. I get thrown off sometimes when I see that. I started thinking about Jennifer, who still looks fantastic at 55. Isn't as good as people think. No one complained about LaFleur when he revolutionized Roger's career or when Love was on a heater

going into the Dallas game. I don't think he forgot out of coach. Love's inconsistency and bad turnovers make him an average quarterback, and he needs a good run game to put up points. I just don't think generally it's good business to fire a coach, who instantly became a top candidate available. Every other team looking would...

Every other team looking, but hey, maybe I'm wrong. I don't think he'd be a lock to get a job if he got fired, but I do think he'd have a pretty good chance. I think someone mentioned this the other day with Atlanta. I'm with you on love. I mean, sometimes you get in business with a quarterback who is valued because his stock's a little higher, but that's as high as he's ever going to reach.

But he's not that bad. Your standard is so high. So, like, Jordan Love is held to that standard of the heater and the way he played against Alice. We're clearly the last couple years, like, he's solid. Like, if you do a good job, you've got good personnel around them. You're going to win 10 to 12 games, right? They won 11 last year and 1 in the division.

They, what are they, 5, 3, and 1, so that's 9 games. So if they went, I guess if they won eight, you got eight games left, four and four, you'd probably want to go like five and three. You get 10 wins. Yeah, it's 10, 11 win quarterback with an awesome defense. Yeah, it's not great. I mean, you'd want a little bit more for the money.

Yeah, I think you might be on. I would say LaFloor, if I could pick one, I'd probably take Jordan Love. Like, I think what Jordan Love is, he's somewhere like 10 to 15, and it's on you as a team builder to build the right team. but he's better than a lot of of quarterbacks.

A lot of people talk about Jordan Love. Is Jordan Love the next Trevor Lawrence? He has elite traits like Lawrence and they both have high ceiling playoff moments. However, they don't process well. Both pick up injuries and have some wild brain fade and accuracy moments.

Are they actually good quarterbacks beyond the traits? I would take Jordan Love over Trevor Lawrence. I would. But I'm not a Trevor Lawrence guy at all. most quarterbacks are going to have massive brain farts, right? And that includes the top guys, but you can live with it because the top guys are so elite. If we go with the crew like after five or six, right, so you're talking the Dax, the Purdys,

the Jordan loves, like in that world, right? I wouldn't even put Trevor Lawrence in that world. C.J. Stroud. Like, you got to live with the good in the bat. And that's most people. Like, most people are not Michael Jordan or LeBron James. but like you can compete for a championship with the high level all-star right most people are not show hey otani or erin judge but you can win a ton of games with like the dude seattle and the

twins have so i i just think it's easy to see all the negative and just write the guy off but also there was a uh a law of averages like you went from farb to rogers farv who is a three straight MVP's, one a Super Bowl, went back to another, is widely considered one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. You upgraded. Think about that. You upgraded. It was, now Montana's better than young, but same deal. Anytime you go back-to-back Hall of Famers at quarterback for 20 plus years, it's unheard of. The third guy, it's like, the 49ers third guy was Jeff Garcia. He was going to Pro Bowls. They were going to the playoffs. Like, that's pretty good. It's actually pretty impressive that you were able to transition to a guy that you drafted to.

I just think he's kind of held to his own standard in the Dallas playoff game well Packer fans are used to with Rogers and also like their defense is sweet. So it's like you got a sweet defense. We need more wins. Shit, Bo Nicks, skips balls half the game and they still find ways to win. Now granted, they have like,

I think they have like 50 sacks through like early November. How come velocity isn't a thing? I'd love to know how hard Caleb Williams throws the ball. That's a good question. I never hear any of my buddies in the league bring it up. I'm pretty sure it's tracked because they definitely track speed like speed. We know fast guys are running, which is Bill Simmons is a funny rant. Like, so what the guy's running 22 miles now? What does that even mean? Like there's no context, right? If I say, hey, uh, Jordan Love through seven touchdowns in the game, we would all know like, that's incredible, right? Or so and so

through four interceptions in the game. You're like, oh, that's, that's like historically. bad, right? Two pick sixes. But you give me these miles an hour, compared to what? Like, compared to a golf cart? Compared to, like, did Deshaun Jackson run 30 miles an hour? Do you run 20? Like, I don't know. So I'm with you on the velocity. They do the, they do it at the combine. I'm not sure. That's a great question. I could text them in the NFL and find that out. Do you guys see stats on how hard guys are throwing? Caleb is, Caleb has a fucking cannon. Which sport has the widest and narrowest gap between college and professional levels? Football, basketball, or golf.

Appreciate all you do and congrats on becoming a father. I love this question. I would say, like, there are a lot of guys on the Alabama LSU field. When I say a lot. Like, there's a percentage of people, I would say 50% of people. of the players. So if there's 22 guys, Alabama, LSU, but there's more than that because you got rotating guys in and out. Let's just say 30 guys, give or take, are consistently playing for both teams. So it's 60 players. You know, probably 30 to 35 of those guys are going to be NFL draft

picks, right? Same thing with Alabama, Georgia or, you know, Oklahoma, Georgia, like the big time, Ohio State, Oregon. You got a ton of draftable guys. But even the guys that don't get drafted, like they wouldn't be a good player by any means. They could just play a game at right guard. Now, if you're like a right guard and you're not, maybe you go to a rookie minicamp, maybe you don't. Maybe your career ends as a three-year starter at LSU at right guard. You could go to the NFL and play a game.

Now, you might be terrible, right? I think in basketball, there is a pretty big difference because we see it all the time, like in the tournament, smaller schools beat bigger schools. I actually think there's a smaller gap between just the dude playing point guard at Alabama that won't be an NBA player but could play a game with NBA players

and kind of fit in for a game. Now could he make a career of it? Obviously not. I think the gap in golf is pretty wide. I think as someone that watch, and I've played with a lot of college golfers, there's a pretty big difference

but just being like, on the golf team at UCLA and playing on the PGA tour. Right. I think it's easy, it's by far the easiest if you are a Division I, especially a power four player to make it to OTAs or even make it to like a week of training camp. Doesn't mean you're going to play in the NFL. It doesn't mean you'll ever sniff a practice squad. I think it's easier to do that than it is just I played at UCLA and I played in a couple

tour events. That is way more difficult to do. to make an NBA roster, unless your dad's LeBron, is very hard. So I would say football, the gap's probably the smallest. Golf or basketball, I'd lean, is the widest. Great question. And baseball, I would say baseball is a little like golf.

It's just so hard to get there. I saw a headline, like, could Kyler Murray go play baseball? You think Kyler Murray, who's been making, what was he make, $45 million a year, who was the number one overall draft pick who signed a $35 million contract is going to get on a fucking bus. Even if they're like, hey, we'll let you go to AA.

You think he's going to go to double A? I think I have a better chance of teaming it up at the Masters or coaching the New York football giants than Kyler Murray does playing minor league baseball games on buses for six months a year. Because you don't just go to the bigs, Hell, you're not even close to the bigs if he trained.

When's the last time you think he played baseball? So I just laughed. I'm like, these are like unnamed NFL executive saying this. You think he's going to go to the minor leagues? I think he'd be more likely to just retire and just go chill than play minor league baseball. After experience what he's experienced, I would be, I'd fall out of my chair. I'd be that stunned. I'd be shell-shocked.

Why does the NFL allow super slow motion to review, catches and fumbles, but refuse it for false starts and tush push plays. I keep hearing real time. It's too hard to officiate. Well, it has something to do with like dead ball fouls, right? I can't review. There was a play. I think it was in the Niner Rams game. It was like fourth and two.

And Kittle came in motion. And before they can snap the ball, he has to become set. Well, they threw the flag saying he wasn't set. he ended up getting a completion. It was a first down, but they said it was, you know, he wasn't set, so the play didn't count, and they got a five-yard penalty. Even though they replayed in Tom Brady was like, he's definitely set. They screwed up, but you can't, you can't challenge that, right? Just like, I can't challenge if they don't call it on the field, my guard or tackle jumping early. But I can, I can challenge in the, once the ball is snapped,

I can challenge a lot of those plays. Now, I don't think you can challenge like pass interference anymore, but you can't challenge defensive holding. But I don't know. You'd have to ask like Andy Reid and the guys on the competition committee how they pick and choose that. Belichick's whole thing always was

you should be able to challenge any given play. I have two challenges and if I get it right, I get it back or whatever. And if I get it wrong, I lose a time out or whatever the rule is. We know. Do I know the rules? You get two challenges. if you get a challenge wrong, you lose a challenge and you lose a timeout.

Pretty sure that's right. But his whole thing was you should be able to challenge any play. I should be challenged if you're off sides, whatever. But they're just unchallengeable plays. And I don't know. They tried the past interference thing. It clearly didn't work. Love the show.

I would like your thoughts on firing real life people versus firing of NFL players and head coaches. Thanks. Well, I think amazing. major difference why, you know, for example, I mean, I literally talk about this stuff for a living. When you get fired at a regular person job, typically you're an at-will employee and most human beings don't have contracts, right? So when you have a contract, as Brian Dayball does, I don't even know the details of his contract. Let's just make him up. Let's say he still had

next year on his contract as well. They would owe him, let's just pick a number, $7.5 million for next year in 2006. So does anyone going to feel, even Mike Kafka, who will probably get fired at the end of the year? Let's just, I hope he doesn't,

but it's probably making $2 million. So when NFL players, like if you're a guy, whoever, it's one thing if you're like an undrafted free agent, you get fired, you didn't make any money. So you have a lot in common

with a regular person. But like when an older veteran guy gets fired, one, they owe many of the guaranteed money that they haven't paid him. And two, like, he has money. So, like, part of the reason we all work is to provide for our families, right? The reason I'm doing this podcast is to generate money to pay the bills here, right? Obviously, I enjoy doing this, but if it didn't pay, I couldn't, I'd have to find something else to do. Like, the mortgages do every month, right?

My, my air conditioning bill is really high because I like it cold. But, I mean, that doesn't pay itself. So a huge part why we feel sympathy For a normal human being who gets fired from his job I have as well When I did not get my contract renewed in Philadelphia I didn't have any money coming in My contract ended they're like hey we're not renewing it

It's like it's over like a lot of people you just you just end Now you can get unemployment or whatever But most the average income in America is what like 60 grand Now it depends where you live like in California it's higher And North Dakota it's lower But like I feel like bright Ryan Kelly just, they owe him $53 million. James Franklin, but it's not even just him.

Like the position coaches now in the NFL make $500 to $900,000. They're the top like one and a half percenters in America. So they just have more. Now listen, their life's hard and their public figures and people talk shit about them, coaches, you know, and players. But as Don Draper said, that's what the money's for, you know. I think the dude that gets fired with no money and no contract would gladly have some people talking shit about them for $10 million.

I know that. So I would say the big difference is just the money. Now, obviously, like, if you're a CEO of a company, you actually have more in common with players and coaches. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news.

We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. First people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special.

So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast. We could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHeart Podcast presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne. This is my best friend, Janet. And we have been joined at the Hipsons High School. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later. We're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips, wider.

This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drinks. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white claw or something here?

Just hit it. What are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on. Could you imagine? I would buy it.

Cut through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds. Sounds good. Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You are. I'm lucky I'm not a killer. I love this team. And I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva, actress, mother, lover, and a Gen X woman walking through life one hot flash and hormonal crying jag at a time. You ladies know what I'm. I mean. I'll bet you a perimenopausal chin here you do. So let's talk about it. Join me on my new podcast. How hard can it be with the Adamania Rivah, where I call on my Gen X squads from Ohio to Hollywood as we navigate midlife's most fantastic BS. All of a sudden I'd had hanginess happening

on my own. I was like, what the hell is that? I was married when I had her, so I didn't even consider how empty that nest was going to be. Mood swings, night sweats, fupas, sex drive. Wait, What sex? Dating at 45. How hard can it be? How can it be? Getting naked at 50 with the new guy. That one's kind of hard.

Well, that's lighting. They say we can't polish a turd, but we're sure going to try. So let's get blunt with laughs, tears or tears of laughter, and dive into it, unfiltered and unbothered and ask, how hard can it be? I cannot believe I'm about to say this out loud in public. Listen to How Hard Can It Be with Diana Maria Riva as part of my Cultura Podcast Network available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed.

And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard

Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He run running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the

ball, like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So, listen to Point game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Saigon, the story of my family and of the country that shaped us. The United States will not stand by and allow any power, however great, take over another country.

From IHeart Podcast, Saigon. Please allow me to introduce Joseph Sherman. You don't think I'm serious about a free Vietnam? I should stop talking so much. I like hearing you talk. One city, a divided country, in the war. that tore America apart. This is for Vietnam.

I've taken a hit from Japanese ground fire. Do you rate me? They're pouring petrol all over him. He's holding matches. I'm on a landmine. For free time. Let's get out. Freedom from Vietnam.

Run! Saigon, starring Kelly Marie Tran and Rob Benedict. Sting, here's madness. The world should hear about this. There's a fire coming to this country, and it's going to burn out everything. Listen to Saigon. On the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm a huge Niners fan and my buddies is a Vikings fan. With both of the teams looking like a wash, we're debating which team the Vikings or the Niners can get back to competing quicker. The Niners, if they win this week, they would be 7 and 4 with the Panthers, the Browns, and the Titans. So, like, the Niners probably get 10 wins. There's a decent chance depending on how the Bears go. Obviously, the Niners and Bears play each other. but the bear schedule gets really hard that if the Niners got the 10 and the Bears only got the nine,

even if the Bears beat them, the Niners would be the seventh seat. The Niners will make the playoffs. So regardless of how many guys they've lost with injury, which is a lot, they still can make the playoffs, even if they're one and done. I think that's a pretty impressive accomplishment,

given that their backup quarterback, you know, won them five games potentially. And we'll see if Purdy's how many games he's able to play if he comes back. If I was a head coach with the newly drafted quarterback, I think there are three main things I would want to see from him in his first year. Every game, I'd want him to make at least two or three high-level NFL throws. Every game, I'd want him to learn from and correct at least one mistake made in the previous game. By the end of the season, I'd want him to just simply look better than he looked in the beginning,

even if his stats don't change much. And if I knew I was guaranteed to not get fired, I wouldn't care at all about how many games we won as long as the quarterback looks like our guy. Is there anything you would add to this? Well, usually the guys are playing on bad teams. You're going to be throwing 25, 30, 40 times a game. So I'm going to need more than two or three throws. I would need specific examples of we'd need improvement in the red zone throughout the season.

We would need improvement on third down throughout the season. Situations of understanding, like I'm getting nitty-gritty football here, but how to handle different pressures, the understanding of the offense in relation to pressures and coverages and knowing where to go when I need to go there. Obviously, rapport with my skill guys. I think there's a naturally, like, to learn from one mistake. I mean, that's just football 101.

You know, you play a game, the coaches go over the film, and then they correct it with you. It's like Kyle Shanahan's big thing is, most coaches you know like in a locker room when you win a game they're like see you a wednesday he they work every monday because he believes that you know by wednesday you've already forgotten a lot of the game so when you go over the corrections with the coach like it's you have like a two and a half day gap where he automatically i don't know exactly what time it is maybe it's like noon but they they just do film correction even if they're not going to practice and i mean that's that's

you started doing that stuff at high school so to me that the correction stuff stuff is natural. But I think it's more you would like to see if there's a certain defense or pressure that he struggles with. The more and more he sees that, the more and more he adapts to it. Obviously, you would naturally probably, it's the NFL, so you're going to be in some close games. How he handles two-minute, four-minute situations, how he handles, can he get us in a game-winning field goal situation? Can he run out the clock if we have a 10-point lead with six minutes left? Can he lead a drive that helps get five, six minutes off the clock? Obviously, some of that's on the running back.

But. And then there's the stuff that it's hard to quantify. Like, what's he like, his practice habits? What times he get into the facility? How's he, you know, his film study ability of the opponents, working with the backup quarterback, working with a quarterback coach. You know, approaching recovery, right? Football, the season's a lot longer.

the pros, like even Ohio State or Notre Dame, if they play 15 games, like you're automatically playing 17. Right, so you're just playing more games. And even in the college situation, you play the 12, like if you're Notre Dame, you play 12 games and then let's say you make it to the national championship, well, you got a two-week break before the first playoff game. Then you got a 10-day break. Like, there aren't, you get one by.

You're playing Thursday games. You just, it's, the NFL season is a marathon. So how you handle that. improve on, you know, the way you go about it to make it easier on yourself. Obviously, it's a learning experience. But I think there are a lot of intangible stuff that a guy can improve on with just experience. I mean, I'm a huge believer, and the more you do something, the naturally better you get at it.

A lot of people were hitting me up. I got asked the question, would I rather have one guy, I got two running backs. One running back guarantees me 100 yards every single game, no more, no less. Or one running back that guarantees me two yard of carry. No more, no less. And a lot of people said, well, you can use that running back in two-point situations, basically every two-pointer you would get, and every short-yard situation you would get as well.

It's like, yeah, maybe I didn't think of that. I do believe if I'm an offensive coach, especially if we have a good offense, I should be pretty good in short-yardage. I might not have the tush-push. But the 100-yard back, I think it's really valuable if you're a good team because I can run up the clock in the third and fourth.

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Since the NFL owns the rights to their games, would it be possible for the league to feed Monday Night Football games through NFL Plus stream for free while Google and Disney duke it out? Seems fair to the consumer and I'm sure the NFL wouldn't want to lose ratings. I saw that ratings college football and the NFL are just naturally down a little bit for Monday Night Football and College Game Day, which makes sense. I mean, there's a lot of us that just don't have access to it. I would imagine this is one of those situations where they will get louder the longer this goes.

And they will need a solution. Because you have to remember, too, who's the NFL in business with for the direct package, all the games? YouTube TV. They have the NFL package. So the NFL is in business with both these two people. Now, at the end of the day, like, this is probably the last thing they want to be. Like, they just want all their games on TV for everyone to consume. but this is, I would imagine they've probably already made some just quiet, preliminary kind of overtures.

Like, hey, guys, what's going on? You give it like a month of No Monday Night Football for YouTube TV consumers. People are going to get antsy. And I'm talking Raj. I'm talking the owners. Like, this is their bread and butter. This is where they make their money. What if I told you that ESPN and YouTube were colluding against them?

Trying to screw them. You never know. You can convince me. I saw some funny conspiracies about Nico Harrison and the NBA and Luca. I mean, I've always had some too. I've never known exactly how to connect at all. I just always thought something

was shady. It's crazy. You know, you make a big trade in the NFL or just sports in general. Like, it can go wrong. Right? The Micah Parsons thing, there's risk involved in that for the Packers. You're giving them a ton of money. You're giving up two first round picks,

Soss Gardner, like all these traits. There is no guarantee. Even when the Eagles traded for A.J. Brown. It's like he better be an elite player. We're giving him a ton of money. And a lot of times when you're trading for a great player, you feel pretty good about it. I don't think the Luca trade in the middle of the night

with Nico Harrison is just one of those. The most NBA story of all time was Shams reporting that Nico was going to be fired in two more hours. He scheduled to meet in two hours. that's where like conspiracy me who just follows sports for a long time goes, did Nico leak Tushams that like I got a meeting

I know they're going to fire me because that's what I'd probably put my money on but pain's me. I hate the Lakers but Skinny Luca I think he's averaging like 75 points a game and just dominating the league. It's just one of those that I think it's the worst one of all time.

I really do. Like we have some of those going on right now in the NFL. It's like Daniel Jones is playing great for the Coles. I think all Giants fans go, listen, he never was going to do that for us. Or like Christian McCaffrey gets traded from the Panthers. And then a year later, he has like one of the great seasons of all times. Like, well, that wasn't going to happen here.

But if you're like a Mavs fan, you're like, Luca was doing that here. He was all NBA every single year. He took us in the finals. What the bleep is going on? And he goes like, sweet, I'm out. Have fun. Here's Anthony Davis. I just, I, that one, man.

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