The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - TRADE DEADLINE: Jets trade Gardner to Colts, Williams to Cowboys

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

Former NFL scout John Middlekauff is reacting LIVE immediately following the NFL Trade Deadline. John will react to the biggest trades of the day, including the New York Jets kick starting their rebuild with trading their defensive stars Sauce Gardner and Quinnen Williams to the Indianapolis Colts and the Dallas Cowboys, respectively. John will also react to other breaking news around the NFL and much more! 03:43 - NFL Trade Headline 05:21 - New York Jets 11:13 - Indianapolis Colts 18:49 - Dallas Cowboys 21:57 - Saints trade Shaheed to Seahawks 25:53 - Other NFL trades 28:12 - ESPN vs. YouTube TV Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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because I'm Scottsdale's Pacific Standard Time for six months we don't change our clocks and then we just transition into mountain time so at 2 o'clock mountain time I did a live reaction on YouTube to what just happened obviously the Jets blowing it up the Colts trading a lot for Soss Gardner the Cowboys out of nowhere landing Quinn and Williams, the stud defensive tackle. Even John Schneider threw his hat in the ring,

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The league's making a ton of money. Owners are willing. Coaches are on board. We have much more activity where football never paralleled basketball and baseball. when it came to trades in season because it was much harder. Scheme, coaching, huge learning a playbook. You couldn't just put the guy at third base

or tell the guy to stand in the corner and hit threes. Football's a little more complicated that way and I think maybe it's just people are running similar schemes. But I do think it gets back to the GMs being really aggressive and the money in the league for the owners to give the go-ahead that we have much more action. And that doesn't even, the seven trades today doesn't even count. Howie Roseman made a trade yesterday.

He made two the previous week. The Rams made a trade the previous week. The 49ers made a couple trades. So you have teams and GMs and franchises that are just willing to risk stuff, which is cool, which makes this stuff fun. Because historically, this day can be a little boring. And that no longer is the case.

And honestly, the lead-up to this day is fun. But I'll start with the Jets. Because when you suck as bad as they do, there is no point in keeping players that have a lot of value because you're literally losing year after year with those players. So big picture-wise, totally understand why they hit the nuclear option and traded their, you know, definitely their best player. I don't know exactly where Sauce ranks,

but Garrett Wilson and Quinn Williams, I'd put on a different level than 2025 Sauce. But obviously, Sauce has a lot of value. and they got today three first round picks a second round pick a defensive tackle from the Cowboys I don't know how good he is

and Adani Mitchell who I've always kind of like though I had a personnel director called him kind of an underachiever he wasn't that big of a fan and thought that the Colts kind of got duped during that process

because the coaching staff fell in love and they convinced the scouting staff to get on board either way he's no longer a cold but I understand what the Jets are doing. And if I was the owner or I was the GM, I would do the same thing. And we have consistently seen this in other sports where the front office and the owners

are in cahoots. They have a vision that mirrors each other. They're cool with the big picture. Here's, you know who doesn't? Is the coach typically? Because even if Aaron Glenn is cool with making these moves right now, is he going to get? get a long runway? Because this team and the pressure on them over the next couple years is going to be to nail all these picks. And we literally saw Joe Douglas. I've told this story a million times and I'll tell it again.

I knew a guy on his staff. And back when they were just nailing picks, right? And he said, John, we can nail, of these seven picks, if six of them become pro bowl guys, a couple of them become all pros. And we miss on the quarterback. we're all going to get fired. If we hit the quarterback and we miss on all these other players, we'll get contract extensions.

And he was right. Because they hit on a lot of guys. Even a guy that's up in the air, I think, is highly debated in the NFL, Soss Gardner, just got them an absolute king's ransom. So the Jets now will go through a position for the next couple of years. They're going to get worse. It's going to be even uglier. and we saw famously a couple years ago like Miami Dolphins,

nuke this thing, blow it up, tank, and Brian Flores wasn't on board. Because at the end of the day as a coach, you do get judged on wins and losses. And unlike the NBA, it's hard to go through five, six years where you're just losing all the time. You're going to get fired, regardless of the variables and circumstances. So to me, if Woody Johnson and the GM can look Aaron Glenn in the face and going, at minimum, you're getting like four years. regardless what the contract says.

I'm saying you, we are not going to remove you from your office. He can get on board. But there's no way if I'm him, I can feel good about whatever they're telling me. Because we see this in the NFL. The Jets are going to be worse next year than they are this year. Think about that. They're going to be worse next year than they are this year. Hell, there's a decent chance.

I watch a lot of college football. The quarterback's in this draft. One, a lot of them might not come out. Last I checked, pays a lot to stay in college. now. And none of these guys are top five, top 10 locks. So it's like, yeah, you might get drafted in the teens or the 20s.

You mean I'm taking a pay cut? I make $7 million right now. Ask Arch or Dante Moore or Fernando Mendoza or Ty Simpson, how good living is in their colleges right now. Or say in Ohio State

or Bryce Underwood, they're printing money. So unless you can guarantee me be a top 10 pick, it's not worth it. And I think the Jets here, can they withstand how ugly this thing is going to get? Because the worst word in sports and entertainment, in anything that people do like myself, where we're trying to get people to consume and trying to get people to give their time is when fans become apathetic, it's a problem. And you can be like, oh, the Jets have three first round picks in

2007. You know how long that is till we get there? You have the second half of this season, which is clearly going to be ugly. And then all of 2006, I like the draft as much as the next guy. I love talking about future picks. But if I'm a Jets fan, don't we have the longest

running streak in the NFL of not making the playoffs? Well, we're obviously not making it this year. We're definitely not making it next year. And then it's about the 2007 draft, which even if we nail some of those players, it might take them a couple years to be good. So we're a year away from being a year away, from maybe being another year away?

It's just a lot of like, hey, hope, keep your fingers crossed. Oh yeah, we're the Jets. So it's probably not going to work out. Which again, I totally understand why they made these deals. But to just be like, oh, it's all going to work out, who's to say? I definitely do not feel that way at all. I just think it's going to be a long, long road for potentially turning it around in like five years,

which seems crazy, and pretty sad. And to me, the big winner right now, if you're like the Patriots and the Bills, you don't need to worry about this team at all. You've got the Dolphins and Chambles. I mean, these two teams are just a complete joke. And now you've got to take advantage of the draft. Let's start with the Colts.

because my first reaction with Indianapolis was that's insane. That was my first reaction is I just, I don't agree. I think it's too much. And immediately I started texting around. And as one executive put it to me, basically like, what does Chris have to worry about?

He came into this year on the hot seat. What are they going to do? Fire him? He was probably planning on getting fired. in the middle of the summer. So now that they're good to double down, he's been the GM since 2017. They have not won a playoff game.

Pretty sure they have not won the division during that time. It has not gone that well for Chris Ballard and Indy ever since Andrew Luck retired. Now he found his quarterback, who more than likely they're going to have to extend. They have a bunch of guys they've drafted who are clearly really good under contract. and their corner position. Charvarius Ward, who I hope everything's going to be all right after that pregame mishap where he got the concussion and he's on injury reserve, was playing like one of the better

defensive backs in the league. And he's a big physical corner. He's a good player. When he's healthy, Charvarius is a high-end winning player. He's played for two teams, the Chiefs and the 49ers. That guy's done a lot of winning. So to me, Charvarius Ward is a proven winning player. Soss Gardner simply is not.

And the other thing, while Soss is an all-prose. pro his first couple years. A wise man in the league told me this probably within the last 12 months. If they ever start calling Sauce Gardner for pass interference, we're going to have problems. And what happened? Last year they started officiating him differently, and it was hard because he couldn't just mall you down the field. Because he's not some twitchy fluid athlete like Derek Stingley. He doesn't, I wouldn't say, have great ball skills. And what he definitely is not for a tall, long corner, Richard Sherman is a tackler. So if he

can't press you at the line of scrimmage because he's not super fast, so he's not just going to run and mirror you, like the great athletes at that position, things got to go very right for him. Which, if I'm going to trade two first round picks for a player, even if I am in win now mode,

that guy has to be a no doubt about it, instant all-pro guy. When the Rams traded for Jalen Ramsey, there was no debating, he was an elite talent. And obviously he came there, played at an elite level. But Jaylen's an elite athlete. He's a

physical player. He's got good ball skills. Like, he's just dramatically better than Sauce. Now, Sauce Gardner is under contract. And here's where I owe an apology to the new administration for the Jets. When they signed that contract, it didn't make any sense to me. I'm like, I would be in the business

of trading this guy. Well, it turns out, once they traded them, it was actually a very tradable contract because they only had to give them $13 million signing bonus. So this year, Soss Gardner's total compensation was like a little under $15 million. Where it gets expensive is the next couple years. And that's where the Colts will pay. $25 million next year, $25 million the following year, and $20.2, I think, in 2008. So they will pay them starting next year $70 million for the next three years. Like, They gave three years $60 million to Charvarius Award. And if it wasn't for, I don't know, one of his teammates running into him,

he was having a Pro Bowl season. If I'm going to pay premiums, I need to get a premium. If I'm going to give Micah Parsons $188 million, I'm going to need 15 to 20 sacks. And more than likely, that's what I'm going to get. If I'm going to give Miles Garrett or Max Crosby or T.J. Watt $100 million, I need you to be one of the best pass rushers in the league. Soss Gardner simply is not one of the best corners in the league.

Now, maybe that changes, maybe Lou Amaruno. But whenever I see a, like Chris Ballard, I saw some quotes, which I like, I don't know, Chris. Seems like a likable guy. He's done a good job. Obviously, the Daniel Jones thing has, you know, reap rewards. They're definitely higher on sauce than I am. But he mentioned we scouted him hardcore coming out of college. And, well, that matters for the person to get the wiring.

Like, anytime you make an acquisition to a guy that's best. on another team for three, four, five years, right? And you acquire them. You lean on some of that information to know the guy, what type of teammate he is, all that type of stuff. But like, as a player, whatever he did at Cincinnati, and even his first couple years in the Jets, like, that's a long time ago now.

What about 24 and how it's looked in 25? I just think it's pretty risky. I do. I applaud being aggressive, but I think sometimes just to be aggressive to say, hey, we tried. There's a difference of like, and I texted a couple people,

we press record, because I was thinking this. Would I have rather, if I'm Chris Ballard, double down on the defensive line, where I already have Buckner, I drafted the UCLA kid, Quitty Pay, like we got some pieces up there.

Would I have rather traded less? Right? The Cowboys got Quinn and Williams, who to me, I'd rather have Quinn and Williams on my team, if all things are equal, than Soss Gardner. I think we'd get universal agreement on that. Well, Jerry traded a second next year and a first the following year.

So what if I reversed it if I was the Colts? Because I'm already giving up two ones. What if I said, hey, I'll give you a first in 26 and a second the following year. And I double down on the defensive line and obviously Charverius comes back. Because I would much rather feel good. Like at the end of the day, it's kind of like basketball. Like great offense is always beating good defense. That's happened in the history of time.

the NBA. I think unless you're Deon Sanders, like most DBs, especially with these rules, but the one place you can dominate, the one place you can take advantage of the line of scrimmage. So I just, I'm not into going two ones for corners, unless

it's like Dorel Revis in his prime. Right? And if I'm getting a tall, long corner, he better be like Richard Sherman in his prime. Elite ball skills and badass tackler. That's just not what I'm getting. Like, I need it's like, I'm just running at Soss Gardner. running at him. And I just think it's pretty risky for Indy on top of, like, you're going to pay him a lot of

money, so you're allocating a lot of resources. He's got to be a high-end player for you. He's got to be a high-end player for you. And I don't know. I just, I don't see it. If I'm the Jets, I get two ones and Donnie Mitchell for that. That's the easiest trade the New York Jets will ever make. Literally. That'll be one of the easiest trades an NFL team has ever made. My other question is, Who is Indy bidding against? Right? Were the Jets just going fine, we'll keep him? Is that their leverage in this negotiation?

Like we don't need to trade them? Like, okay, then keep them. Win three games and pay the guy all this money over the next couple years. Because clearly you're engaging, you want to trade them. But who were, we couldn't have got him for a one, a player, and a third? Like to me, those two ones, it's kind of got Jamal Adam vibes to me. It's a little different. Doesn't exactly because, you know,

Jamal Adams came and then they had to give him a contract extension. He's already got the contract extension, which I think Chris Ballard will say is a positive. Like he's already on a cost-controlled deal. But I just, I can't, I don't know, I just can't get on board with this one. Today's show is brought to you by our new presenting sponsor Hard Rock Bet. We talk a lot of football in three and out, but there's always something to bet on.

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But having Quinn and Williams on your team, which next year will essentially just be for your second round pick, you're not getting anyone in the second round that is going to be as good as Quinn and Williams in 20206. Right. And here's the thing. He's under contract. Next year, $22 million.

The following year, $25 million. So you get a high-end interior pass rusher on a cost-controlled deal, and you still control your two first-round picks next year. So I think Jerry's looking at it Like obviously this year we're not going to make the playoffs But we can go into next year If we can hit on some guys in free agency

Because we're going to have a little more wiggle room Now that we get rid of Micah's deal Right And we have these two first round picks That we can play with a little two Who's to say our defense can't take a dramatic step We already know we're good on offense We got some young nucleus

We need our offensive line to play better than it did last night But like I The trade for Dallas makes more sense to me than the indie trade. So I like that deal. And again, if I were the Colts, I just, my philosophy would be as a general manager to just lean the line of scrimmage. When all else fails, lean the line of scrimmage. I can get a pro bowl defensive lineman. I get a pro ball offensive lineman.

I'm in. How much am I paying for one of the guys on the outside? I don't know. I would talk myself out. So in theory, good day for the Jets. Now they got to hit on the players. The problem is if you're a Jets fan, you just got to watch a lot of shitty football.

Chris Ballard just said, it's now or never. And I think once you make that trade, anything less than being in basically the AFC championship game the next couple years is a major failure. Is a dramatic failure. You don't need to win the Super Bowl.

You don't even need to get to the Super Bowl. But I do think you've got to be in the football. Final four. And for the Cowboys, they just use some of their ammo, and I think there's going to be a ton of pressure on Dallas to nail these draft picks in the springtime. Because they're going to need some impact guys. I mean, their defense is atrocious. So they're going to use, I would imagine, both their first round picks on defensive players, and they're going to need both of them to be starters and probably one of them to be a high-end impact guy. So then you get a couple high impact guys You get Quinn and Williams You got a little momentum You're also looking around

You're like well the Giants stink And Washington has a lot of issues So why can't we just vault ourselves To a wild card caliber team Immediately next year And I don't necessarily disagree Okay the other trade of note Was the Seattle Seahawks

Who I would say right now If I had to pick a team to win the NFC you know, I'm not quite sold on Philadelphia. We'll have to see how the offensive coordinator and Jalen, how that's like, can they maintain this? Is a running game going to work defensively? They've added some pieces. What type pop do they get?

Obviously, they're, you know, a legit contender and easily could win the NFC. But I do think I would lean probably the Rams as we sit here right now. I don't think Seattle is that far behind them. And the only reason I hesitate with Seattle is because last year, Sam, in a couple of the big games, didn't quite look. look like the sand that we had seen all season. But right now, that defense looks fantastic. I mean, their defensive line is elite.

Their secondary play has just ballers everywhere. Offensively, it's like their running backs are good. They got multiple tight ends. JSN, I'm just going to start calling him Jerry Rice. So to add Shaheed, who is an explosive player, I mean, multiple seasons these average over 17 yards of catch. In his quarterback situation, in New Orleans, has kind of been a disaster. You know, it was Derek Carr, and then last year it was a bunch of different guys,

and now Spencer Rattler and Shuck, and it's like, what is going on? And this year, he has 44 catches and 500 yards through nine games. Like, he's on pace, obviously to have a career year, but like a legitimate high-end year. I mean, you're talking about a guy probably between 80 and 90 catches, a thousand yards, and multiple touchdowns. But once you got rid of D.K. Metcalfe, which clearly was the right move, you do take away speed from your offense.

So you have these tight ends that can work in the middle of the field. JSN can do a little bit of everything. You add Shaheed on the outside that gives them an explosive playmaker. Well, what does Sam Darnold like to do? He likes to let that thing fly. I mean, look at last year with Jefferson and Jordan Addison. And Naylor,

they were throwing bombs. So you add a more explosive threat. I don't think, they haven't played the Rams yet, have they? And they still played the 49. Niners again. They are in very, very good position to, I'm pulling up their schedule right now to make a legit run.

They play the Cardinals this week. I like Seattle. So all of a sudden, if Seattle wins this week, they're seven and two. And then they play, they still got the Rams multiple times, they got the 49ers, but they got some, you know, very winnable games. The Panthers, the Falcons, the Titans. So I think they go, worst case, if we don't make this deal,

we're a 10-win team. We're going to be a wild card playoff team. Can we win 13? Can we win the division? And I think the answer is 100%. Yes, you can. And this move, their team's already good. I think this is just a classic like,

this is a good trade, right? You're not giving a second day pickup for a player, but you're getting a guy for a fourth and fifth who could probably over the next eight games, I don't know, realistically give you 35, 40 catches and three or four touchdowns, you know, for a fourth and a fifth round pick when you already have the infrastructure of guys on the roster. So obviously Indy, Dallas, and the Jets are going to take all the headlines.

I think this was, that's GM work. That's why John Snyder is one of the best in the business, because Seattle's a team. I dabbled on this one, five to one to win the NFC to start the year. They still have longer odds in the Niners and the Rams, which to me is a little crazy. But I like Seattle a lot.

And I think this win is going to kind of pay dividends. Other than that, I think, you know, AJ Brown obviously did not get dealt. And, you know, the Jets didn't trade Brees Hall, who I think the problem is like people are not trading a lot of a lot of picks or a valuable pick for a running back. It's just not going to happen.

You're not giving me a guy on the last year of his contract for a third round pick at that position. It's just I'll take a guy from someone's practice squad before I do that unless you're talking like Christian McCaffrey or Saigon Barclay type guys which rarely become available at the deadline. Right? So

and I think you look around the league some of these teams that you know are kind of on the fence You know, it also takes two to tango. An underrated part in the NFL that's different from definitely baseball and even basketball. You know, in basketball, you've got to match salaries. In the NFL, a lot has to do with if I've paid a guy, if I trade them, it kind of ruins my cap because the pro-rated bonus gets accelerated. If you're already under contract, if I'm trading for you, this is going to be the problem for Tua and the Kyler Murray's.

that even if I no longer have to pay him guaranteed money, like when I trade for that contract, it is a large, as they call it in the business, P5, which is paragraph 5, which is your base salary, these guys make a lot of money. And this is all a puzzle job of how much am I paying guys, how much am I paying other guys on my roster? And I think that complicates stuff.

So unless you're, you know, clearly Indy thinks sauce Gardner has great football ahead of them, Quinn and Williams is a high-end football. player. You know, you can talk yourself into those moves a lot quicker than some of these other guys that may have larger salaries that are available, but you're like, I don't know if this is quite worth it. So pretty entertaining day. I think the NFL has definitely improved because when I was a kid, obviously trades in the off season, but you just did not get regular season trades like we do now, which is awesome. Because forever it was like, great.

Great players got traded in basketball at the time. Great players always got traded in baseball at the trade deadline. And football has really stepped up their game, which we all win for. This is entertainment, and this is pretty entertaining. Well, thank God, Monday Night Football, because I actually said I was anti-reading or following anything with the ESPN and the YouTube deal. I did listen to a podcast, and I also read a couple articles about it. It doesn't feel like we're headed for a resolution anytime soon. And my overall take is just doing a little of my own research.

Is Google is so freaking big and has so much money? They don't need to say yes to anything Disney wants. Obviously, you don't want to have a product, which is only growing by the month, right, that does not have Monday night football. That's a pretty important thing. to have on your television bundle that you're offering whatever that we all pay for it. I don't know.

I just press subscribe. But Google is so much bigger than Disney that at the end of the day, if this doesn't work out for them and they don't come off the number in which they're willing to pay Disney, which I think has been like close to $2 billion a year, which to them is nothing. It's not like they're going to go under. It's not like YouTube TV is going to go away. it's just going to be up to, based on, you know, my take and my educated guess, is that like, is Disney willing to give in a little bit? And go, yeah, we would like a little more, but this is still making us a lot of money. And at the end of the day, we, in a weird way, almost need you more than you need us.

And this gets back to, like, anyone that's ever followed or read about Costco, the way they do business with whoever, which it's been stuff of legend, that if you want to have a skew at Costco, if you're Gillette Razors or, you know, Stanley or whatever the company is, you have to give them a unique skew inside the building that does not exist in safe ways and targets anywhere else, only Costco. But once you get into Costco, they immediately become the majority of your business. So over time, they have all the leverage over you.

You need them. They don't need you. and that's what this feels like a little bit. Now overall, I don't really, like, I'm not a part of the, I'm not going to profit. I'm not a stockholder in Google or in Disney. I just want to be able to turn on my television on Monday night and have ESPN on YouTube TV. I want to be able to sit on my couch and just go to YouTube TV to watch college football games. I don't care about who's got the leverage here, but I have come to grips with.

I don't think this is going to change anytime soon. and I don't expect Google to be like, okay, we're paying you $2 billion, now we'll pay you $4.5. Because they don't need to do that. They just don't. So I think Disney,

who historically has always had a lot of juice in these negotiations because you want them as part of your bundle, it's a big deal. They finally met someone that's like,

yeah, we just do not care. We truly do not care. And whether that benefits us, clearly it does not. And it kind of sucks. but I don't just expect to like, you know, Google gave in and gave Disney and Bob Iger what they wanted.

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We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys?

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast,

people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy,

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Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jenchian won. I mean, she went down to three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open.

Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before.

And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us

on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers while he got the ball, like, after you go through a training camp

with that Isaiah, you figure it out. real quick. Oh, yeah. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, let's just do a mailbag. At John Middlecoff.

At John Middlecoff is the Instagram DMs wide open. You guys know the drill. Fire in and get your questions answered here on this little old podcast. We will start with Levi. Question for the mailbag. How does the trade? deadline actually work. Do the phones in each building magically turn off at 4 p.m. Eastern?

Is there some sort of documentation that needs to be submitted to the league by 4 Eastern, or you're out of luck? Seems like a Fugazi process. When I was in the NFL, I would say, I remember the landlines, at least when I first got there in Philly in 2010, having a lot of pull. I remember Katie, who was Howie's assistant, used to be. I basically sat right next to her and then how he was in like a big office that overlooked our practice facility. She'd be like Adam Schaefter on line one.

And that feels like, I mean, that's 15 years ago now. That feels like a lifetime ago. There is none of these GMs that are doing any deals that aren't communicating by cell phone. So all their communication, and you see this on all the draft videos, it's mainly by cell phone, texting, then calling. But you do, like the thing that's not a Fugazi, it's not about how you you know, figure out the trade

between the Jets and the Colts. Chris Ballard and, shit, I forget the GM of the Jets name, and Glenn and his guy and Woody, it's about the league knowing and you have to get it to them. It's like the draft, right? You get 15 minutes you're on the clock in the first round.

You get 7 or 10 minutes or whatever the second round is. You just have to have, hey, Ty Simpson by the time it hits double zero or the next guy can pick. The difference of the deadline is just ends. Given how good Flacco has played recently for Cleveland and Cincinnati, was he being held back when he was in Baltimore? Would we be talking about him like an elite quarterback

if he had played with a more offensively friendly team? Love the show. How do you know if the questions get answered as if I can't watch or listen to the shows every day? I guess you'll never know. You hope you're listening on the day that your question gets answered. This isn't the most buttoned up process. It's not like an automatic email goes out.

Which maybe we're not that far away with AI. If I read your question, you get an automatic DM or email. Say, listen to episode whatever this date, your question is answered. We're probably not very far away. But I would say when it comes to your question about Flacco, an elite quarterback, I don't know if I'd go that far. I think it's pretty clear that his strengths weren't always utilized with the team that focused on defense and running the ball.

Now granted, if I remember correctly, you know, Tori Smith, Anquan Bolden was Todd Heap, but they were just so defensive-oriented that, yeah, I mean, I think from a deep ball standpoint, if he would have played with better wide receivers over the course of his career, it probably would have looked a little different. I mean, like Tori Smith was one of his go-to guys from 11, 12, 13, and 14. Catching 50, 49, 65, 49 balls. And that's a guy that, where did they draft Tori Smith?

They drafted him at the end of the second round. So there was a lot of that. Steve Smith, Sr., you know, as an older player, I definitely think if Flacco at 28 years old was on a team, with some star wide receivers. It probably would have been a more explosive experience for sure. Post-trade deadline. How much pressure now relies on getting the Jets head coach correct,

given the massive draft capital over the next two years? How much pressure is now on Aaron Glenn this year alone? I talked about this earlier, that this is why these things can crack. Because it was like trust the process, Sam Hinky, Brett Brown, until it wasn't. Right? So by the time we get to the 2007 draft,

which I think on paper right now, the Jets have three ones and two- twos, could be wrong on that. They definitely have five ones, right, over the course of two years. Is the coach who is judged on wins and losses going to be able to survive several years of not winning

when the franchise has already been not winning for a long time that's the problem they have been really bad now for a long period of time so clearly the GM is like this is personnel people have wet dreams

to have this type draft capital coaches do not because it's like well by 2008 some of these players could be popping it's like well what if they're not what if you miss on some players I saw it with the Raiders when they traded Cleo Mac all of a sudden they're drafting guys that are out of the league

so it can I never fault a bad team for making one of these trades but also now the pressure like Suss Gardner was a two-time all pro Quinn and Williams has been a guy that's been to several Pro Bowls you're literally just going to try to draft those type guys again

they didn't trade Garrett Wilson but you're just going to try to draft another Garrett Wilson if Aaron Glens can survive this he's not only mentally tough they like him a lot as a guy I think it's really really hard in football to just overcome negative perception

that's already surrounding the franchise that he has nothing to do with and then just several years of losing even if there is in theory light at the end of the tunnel but we've seen them with a lot of really good players and no quarterback and nothing matters so the only thing that matters with the Jets

because they can have Pro Bowl guys as different positions. If your quarterback position sucks, you have no chance. Like, would the Jets like would struggle beat in Ohio State if you're not going to complete passes? Their team's going to be really bad now.

Right? I mean, you've traded away multiple corners. You traded away your star defensive linemen. You're just going to have players checking out. You're human beings. Right? I'm a big believer, and I give a lot of guys credit for being a high-level pro, I was on a walk this morning and I heard Colin say like how much he respects Jacoby Bressett.

Listen, I try to surround myself just like probably most of you with a lot of guys that are high-level guys that are focused. I do like my wild cards every once in a while. And we're human beings and we can gravitate toward, you know, certain things. And I don't care who you are. When something really sucks and it is not fun and in sports when you're losing all the time, even if you're a high character guy, it's easy to kind of kind of check out.

So I'm not saying these guys are just going to all out quit, but it is going to be the pressure on Aaron Glenn to just keep players trying is going to be a lot harder than you would expect in the national football league. Feeling like Arizona is ready to move on from Kyler, any chance he bounces back with some other organization. I'll piggyback because the next question is, you know, in the same lane too.

A huge fan of the pot. I listen to as much as I can. My question is Nick Wright said last off season that Kyler would be the Pittsburgh Steelers starting quarterback week one in 2006. With the way Berset is playing, it wouldn't shock me if Arizona got rid of him. Well, I think today he's officially been benched, right? Which the man on the moon could see coming. Like they weren't going to go to Kyler Murray when Jacoby's been playing like this.

He's dramatically just better player. And their most prized possession over the last couple of years is Marvin Harrison. And Marvin Harrison is alive when Jacoby plays. He doesn't exist when Kyler plays. Like that impacts it regardless. I just don't think he has any trade value. I really don't. You know, one, you would much rather have, you know, I think they will try to get Aaron Rogers to come back and play another year.

and I think there's a decent chance that that happens. But you would rather have Aaron Rogers at 42 years old than this version of Kyler Murray. I don't know if Kyler Murray's really rehabable. Like, my take on Kyler kind of is what he is. He's a 5-9 guy who can't see, who is inconsistent because he can't see, who can run around and make good plays. But also when you run around a lot, sometimes shit hits the face. fan. It doesn't go your way.

It's why the Cardinals, like, if you watch them on the right day, they can look really good. If you watch them on the wrong day, they can look atrocious. One thing that isn't debatable with Arizona is like, they got a lot of good players. Their defensive line is real, especially with the first rounderback. Trey McBride is one of the best players in the NFL on offense. Let me repeat that. He is one of the best players. Quarterbacks, linemen, receivers, tight ends.

That's how good that guy is. and listen, I just, I'm just a product of what I see. Though that's where my takes come from. So I was like, I don't know if I really see it with Marvin Harrison. Now you watch him, go, God, Marvin, I don't know if he's going to be some superstar or his father, but he can be a really, really good player. And you're starting to see that now. You know, I said this.

The reason, it's like they got to cut DeMarcato after he dropped the ball. Well, the reason they didn't cut him guys was because, one, they're starting running back what James Conner do. shatter his ankle. Like, they have lost running backs. I kind of like DeMarcano. So now you get Jacoby with some just real weapons, you know, a running game that has been semi-effective and a defense is pretty good.

Like Nick Rawlis, I actually flew back from the combine a couple years ago, and he was on my plane with another coach. I was sitting in the back of the bird. He was in first class. You got to give Bidwell a little credit for taking care of his coordinators. But I remember looking at him. I didn't know that much about him. I knew he was a position coach for Philly.

And I remember I was probably 37 at the time. I think, God, this guy looks really, really young. I think he's good. I mean, I think him and Jonathan Gannon, I think the Cardinals have been a pretty well-coached team. It's just Kyler Murray, you see it in college and the pros all the time. You can have a solid team. If your quarterback situation is in flux,

I'm not even talking a disaster. It's just up and down. It's hard to function. Okay, we got a doozy coming here. This is a little out of left field. Why isn't Bo Nix being talked about more in the MVP discussion? Drake May has been vaulted into being a favorite, yet May and Nix have similar numbers on the season.

You have admitted that May has done so with an absolute joke of a schedule. I haven't admitted that. The stats, you literally say it. They have the easiest schedule in the NFL. If we go into nerd mode and take all of this, negative quarterback stats, I&T, fumble, sacks, etc. And subtract those from the positive stats, yards, TDs, rushing, total yards. Only Dak Prescott, Herbert, and Mahomes have had better seasons than Bo Necks.

Add in the clutch gene, leadership, and being as best, when as best is asked. And it would seem that the national media moves the goalpost when it comes to Bo Necks. I just cut really quick on Kyler. His cap hits the next couple years. 53 million, $43 million. You'd have to pay him in cash next year. 42 and 36. Feels a little extreme.

Let me just bring up Bone Knicks here really quick because I would imagine his stats, when you just look at him, don't look atrocious. His team's obviously 7 and 2. He's thrown 17 touchdowns and has six interceptions. My guess also is he has a couple rushing touchdowns, right? So he has three rushing touchdowns. So he has accounted for 20 touchdowns, six picks, and one lost fumble.

So 20 touchdowns and seven turnovers. Which is not terrible by any means, nowhere near the MVP. I would say here's the problem for Bo. The eye test has been atrocious. He has had games where he's borderline unplayable for quarters on end. And you're talking to a guy that has the ticket on Denver to win the division, on a ticket on them to make the Super Bowl. I'd be lying if I said I have a lot of confidence.

Because, yes, he has had some of that T-Bow magic in the fourth quarter throwing touchdowns. But you can't win the MVP when you play like shit throughout a lot of games. I wouldn't vote for Drake May as the MVP. He's not getting many votes, I don't think. But like comparing him to the Baker Mayfields, the Matt Staffords, the Sam Darnolds, the Mahomes, Josh Allen's, like, they just play well throughout the game, right? So Bo Nix, a lot of his good games, it's been like the fourth quarter against the Eagles,

big play against the Texans. You got to do that throughout the game. So I, to me, it's not even a discussion. I don't think you could watch Bo Nicks play through the first two months of the season and say with a straight face he's an MVP candidate, regardless about Drake May. Big Giants fan here is from Roe. Russell, not Wilson. If they clean house are the Giants an attractive team for the best available head coach slash GM.

Seems like Dayball isn't good enough to overcome bad draft picks, and the lame duck coach after firing the GM never works. I just think we have to ask ourselves who are the top candidates. So regardless, let's even, this is not a defense or a criticism of what they should do with Daibol. Like fire him, he sucks, or keep him. Let's just say it's open. The Giants have an open GM and an open head coach. Well, who are the top available candidates?

Young Joe Brady, the Giants can't afford to do that. Same thing with Kubiak, can't afford to do that. I can't have a first time head coach. We have done this a couple times in a row now in Daibald and Joe Judge and is blown up in our face. I think we've tried the retread, the Pat Schumer, that sucked. We tried like the up-and-coming star, McAdoo, who was already in our building. That sucked.

I think if anything, what they need to do, to do and they struck it turned out to be gold because they won two Super Bowls with the guy is a proven hard-ass kind of retread. When I say retread, a guy who's already been a head coach and had some success in Tom Coughlin.

So who is that version of a guy? Does Mike McCarthy make sense? Doesn't quite feel regal enough for New York. On the text thread we're on here for three and out. Lane Kiffin's name got thrown out there because of his connection with

Jackson Dart. While Lane has done a huge rehab, literally, right, completely sobered up, looks fantastic, family's a huge part of his life, looks like God's a big part of his life. A lot of question marks a couple years before that. And, you know, it was the reason he wasn't getting any other interviews. Now, I'm talking college, not the pros. I have a hard time seeing the Giants Brass look past that. at least there's a lot of risk involved.

And I, you know, short-lived stint with the Raiders, probably not happening. Sark, if he truly is interested and they got a quarterback, would he be interested? But who are these guys GMs going to be? Do you hire a GM first and let them hire a coach? How about the Arthur Smith, Matt Nagy type guys? I think you would have to take them into consideration.

Guys, you know, Atlanta and in Chicago, Right, but there's not, you know, a Ben Johnson level guy, a no-brainer, and there's not a Mike Vrable on this market. So I think it makes it really difficult. You know, could you shoot for the stars and go with the young up-and-coming Joe Brady Kubiak? You could, but I think New York's a tough spot for that, man. I think he can eat you alive and spit you out. So I think in a perfect world, you'd hire like Mike Vrable, like that human.

That's where I think, you know what you'd be rooting for? is like John Harbaugh or Mike Tomlin to get a divorce. Because if one of those guys get a divorce, they are 100% you're higher. You're not looking to win the Super Bowl. You're just looking to get the train back on the tracks. And that's all the Giants are looking to do. Make forward progress. No pun intended.

Just get going in the right direction. See, everyone's standards a little different, right? If the Packers get bounced in round one and LaFleur gets fired, they're looking to take the next step. They're looking for a guy who can get him over the hump, right? He's already proven. Like he can get them to 10, 12, 13 wins. He can get, if you give him a star quarterback, they can win an MVP.

You give him an unknown and Jordan Love, he can play well. But just something's a little off. So they'd be looking to take that next step. I don't know who that exactly is. You know, the Giants, the bar is so low. You're just looking to get it going like Tomlin or John Harbach could get you going. I think Mike Tomlin makes a lot of sense there, if the Pittsburgh thing ends ugly,

which is always a chance that happens based on recent history. A lot of questions about Kyler Murray. I have a hard time seeing them trade him when he's making $40, $35 million. I just, what team would pay Kyler Murray next year $40 million? If Kyler Murray was a free agent at the end of this year, does he get a multi-year deal? I doubt it.

And if you do give him multi-year deal, you're usually a bad team. I mean, honestly, for the Jets are going to get a lot of credit today because they got a bunch of draft picks. They also, this offseason, gave two years and $40 million to Justin Fields. And I'm not pocket watching. I'm all for anyone getting as much money as they can. Good on his agent for negotiation in that contract. But in what world would a good GM of giving Justin Fields $30 million guaranteed?

So how do we trust that these guys know what they're doing? That's where it gets scary. Do you think May and Vrable have a decent shot at a Super Bowl if they stay together the next five to ten years? Also, who would you say May's best comp is? I've heard people compare him to Big Ben, but I don't see it. I think he's more like Herbert, Josh Allen hybrid. Big Ben, I would say Big Ben and Cam Newton.

Like, those two guys don't have comps. I remember one time going to a game at Candlestick. probably would have been like 2013 and the 49ers were playing the Panthers and the Panthers beat him and this was when the Niners Harbaugh was in the peak of his powers and they were good. I remember just going to Cam Newton's press conference because I just wanted to see what he looked like, like close,

just thinking, this guy's fucking huge. I remember thinking the same thing for Big Ben, seeing him play the Raiders a couple times and seeing him run out the tunnel. He was just a massive human being. So to me, Drake May is not as physical as those type guys. I do think the Herbert, you know, basing his personality, pretty low-key guy, good-looking, kind of easygoing. You know, Herbert's West Coast personality.

May is from the Carolinas, but feels like he's a pretty easy-going guy. You know, he's basically six, four-and-a-half, 230 pounds. Josh Allen feels like a kind of twitchier, more explosive athlete than May. I think Herbert's a relatively fair comp. I think Drake May looks like what people hope Trevor Lawrence was going to look like. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news.

What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts.

We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that.

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Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. and finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game.

His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall.

And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's first, friends stop by like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash will get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He run up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball like, after you go through a training camp with that I said, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Sauce for two first rounders seems to be a lot. Do you think two first rounders would

gotten one of the leagues consistently elite corners such as Patrick Sertan, well, he wouldn't have been available. So it's like, unless you're willing to give me, I don't want to trade him. He's the best player on my team. I don't know much about him personally, but I just, based on the way he plays and the way the team extend him, I would imagine their leader, team captain, just like, you're dude. Well, we don't trade our dudes when we're good. Now, this is a business. if you offer me four ones and three twos, like it gets to a point where you could get to a number where I have to say yes.

But the trade that Indy made with the Jets, not only the Broncos immediately hang up, but they're just not in the business of trading that guy. And Patrick Cirtain is a much better player than Sauce Gardner. Honestly, I mean, I don't even think it's close. I think the scary thing for Sauce, is how different the last year and a half has been from the first two years.

And I think it's scary to give that much up for a guy that's very expensive who carries himself like an elite, but he's playing like a mid. You know, I'm all four for trading for elite guy. Like, Michael Parsons carries himself like a shit don't stink. Well, here's what I know about Michael Parsons. He's going to get me 15 sacks.

And he's going to pressure the quarterback a lot in big time spots. Even if you'd like a little more in certain spots as an all-around player given I'm giving them $200 million. I would like Miles Garrett over him. But like I can handle having Mike. Mike is an elite. I just don't view sauce as an elite.

Patsyretan's an elite. Stingley is one of the elites. And I think a huge part about playing corner is it's hard to be a dominant player at that position and not be an exceptional action. athlete. Like, think about this. The greatest corner in my lifetime, it was really struggling right now as a coach, but is considered pound for pound one of the greatest athletes in the history of this great nation. Dionne Sanders. I would say one of the best corners of the internet era is Dorel Revis, who is also considered for the prime of his career, one of the best athletes in the league.

Richard Sherman was a wide receiver transitioned to defensive back he's a I mean he tackles like or he when he played like he was a linebacker so it's like he's not going to be as fluid as Prime and Revis

but what he makes up for because Dion was such a good athlete is like they don't pay me to tackle and he's right because he's breaking up balls. But in this league, like, especially with how spread out it is, people are going to come at you. So, like, Richard Sherman's 6-3, 200 pounds. And he runs a 453. You know, I think sauce, I think most people would consider Sauce Gardner,

like a 4-5-5 guy. You know, and Patrick Sturtan is just a much better athlete. Like, what did Sauce run at the combine? I think he might have run in the 4-4s. He ran 4-4-1. He doesn't play like that anymore, though. What did Patrick Sertan? I want the son. It's crazy. I mean, they got pretty good genes in that family. He got dad and son.

He ran a 4-4-1-2. This is where you got to be careful. Who plays faster? People like, middle coffee is just a hater. Just a hater on sauce. I got nothing against it. I actually kind of like him. He's a big golfer.

I like the guy. I just, if you'd have said, hey, traded one first round. pick for a one and a four and even a player. I'm like a little overpay but I get it. Two ones? Two ones is like for Kaleel Mack and Jalen Ramsey. I've seen someone trade two ones and it's probably one of their biggest regrets for Jamal Adams and it backfired.

Felt like they regretted that trade immediately. When you trade for a guy who is a defensive back, safety or corner, that guy better be able to dominate in coverage because you're going to play teams who are going to come after that guy relentlessly if you can't. And that happened to Jamal Adams. And I get it. It's not, you know, he's a safety. This guy's a corner.

But I don't know. As a Bears fan, I remember hearing during the offseason that Aaron Glenn was a culture guy and Ben Johnson was a nerdy coordinator who couldn't lead a locker room. Would you say at the midway through the season, it's safe to say, Ben Johnson ended up being the true culture guy out of Detroit and not Aaron Glenn? It really seems like Chicago has had a culture shift. I think there's one drastic difference between the two guys. Let's just say there's 70 plays on offense or defense throughout the game, right?

Well, Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson last year, both of them dictated the entire game. One guy called the offense, the other guy called the defense for the Lions. We'll transition to this year. Ben Johnson impacts the offense every single time they step on the field. And I think even when the games they've lost, any Bears fans can attest to this, wherever we fall on Caleb Williams, where he's at right now.

Ben Johnson's play calling has been awesome. Even when plays don't work, you're like, damn, saw that one. Jesus. Ben Johnson's big time as a play caller. So whether you're, like, most offensive guys are not Sean McVeigh, you know, are not Sean Payton.

They could be pretty loud and pretty aggressive. Like, Andy Reid's team meetings, he's not giving New Rochney speeches. It's not really Kyle Shanahan's deal. Matt LaFleor, I think, tries to be like that. It's not really his thing. You think Kevin O'Connell is just, like, they're offensive guys. It doesn't mean they can't communicate and, like, give a good post-game speech.

But their leadership starts and their impact where the offensive guys and obviously the defensive guys goes, God, this guy knows what he's fucking doing. So when you're the culture guy and you're not calling offense or defense and your team sucks, it's kind of hard. Right? It's like, it's pretty easy to, I could direct SEAL Team 6. Hey man, you guys go that way and they'll just kick ass and take names.

But you give me a couple guys, never held a weapon, never stood a post. We're probably getting lit up like a Christmas tree out on the front lines. So it's like, you take over the Jets and you're not calling the defense. How many raw, raw speeches can you give? And I'm pro, like, I understand the CEO head coach,

but like, I just think you can get away from you fast when you really, really suck, especially when you've never done it. Like Mike Vrable, someone would be like, well, Vrable's doing it in New England. Yeah, but he's done this now for a long time. He's been in that role in Tennessee. This was a big jump for both guys. The difference is Ben Johnson just has to add team speeches, but as a play call he's doing the same thing.

He's just running the offense. And the defense, he hired a high-level guy to do that. where the Jets is like, well, you're a defensive guy but you're letting Steve Wilkes do this. You mean Steve Wilkes, the guy the 49ers fired after they lost the Super Bowl?

When you look through his resume, he's a little, little iffy. By all accounts, Steve Wilkes, nice guy. Not sure he'd be the guy wanted by the defensive coordinator. Where Aaron Glenn,

you were this great defensive coordinator last year. It's like, if I heard Kelvin Shepard at LSU, I'd be like Kelvin. I want you to be a head coach. I love your personality, former player.

But I also want, if you're going to be the head coach at LSU, I want you to call plays to. And I get, you know, Aaron Glenn wanted to be like the coach. It's like, bro, you're, your point of difference. Right? Like, for example, what I do. One thing we've figured out over the years

is I could have on Tiger Woods or Patrick Mahomes. And it'd be cool. And it's good for Brandings. Like, damn, Middle Coff landed Patrick Mahomes and Tiger Woods in a week on his podcast? It'd be cool. But you know what people really like?

And where we do well and where we really shine is like the Colts traded for Soss Gardner. What is your take? They don't want to hear other. They want to hear me. So like we've leaned into like my opinions. As Jim Rome once famously said, have an opinion don't suck. So when things happen, I react.

It's the business I'm in. It's been pretty lucrative. I'm happy to do it. But like we lean into what we're good at. here. And I think sometimes these coordinators, they get away from it, and it's like Sala was, it's happened now with all these Jets guys. Brian Dayball is wavered back and forth. Like,

Brian, we hired you because you were sweet play caller at Alabama and then went with Josh Allen. And it's like, you call play sometimes, you don't call plays, something, it's like, what are we doing? And I look around the league, the best teams, most of the time, I mean, the Eagles are a little bit of an outlier.

But when you look at the AFC, the Chiefs, Andy Reid, play caller, the Broncos, play caller. Sean McDermott calls the defense. So I just think it's not a tried and true. You know, the Harbaugh brothers don't. But obviously the NFC is littered with that. Mike McDonald defensive coordinator. Sean McVeigh offensive coordinator. 49ers, Kyle Shanahan offensive coordinator.

Minnesota offensive coordinator. Green Bay offensive coordinator. Tampa Bay, Todd Bowles, defensive coordinator. Like, all my blue chip guys, and listen, not everyone is a schematic genius. But I saw Aaron Glenn last year win the division with basically me and you

out there on the field for them. And under no circumstances in a game with the division on the line and the number one seat on the line, should you ever be able to win a game against an elite offense with just, I mean, guys that have no business being on the field in a,

in a game for a 15 win team. And he did it. It was remarkable. Even Troy Aikman said this year, watching Kelvin Shepard, what he's doing with these players he's rolling on is, is like one of the most incredible, Troy Eichman, I think he said,

is one of the most incredible things I've ever seen. Basically saying this is one of the best performances I've ever called as a broadcaster. Because they have no business being this good on defense. And then all of a sudden you're like, I'll just stop calling defense, give speeches. I'll, you know, be like the dude in miracle again. or be like Denzel and

you know in one of the movies or Al Pacino like you start watching those things like what did Denzel say and remember the Titans what did Pacino say in any given Sunday

because that's that's what your job becomes a lot of leadership which is cool and important do you know I like my coach to be a leader and call the place

unless you're fucking Nick Sabin or Bill Belichick like I just I need you I need you on a headset dialing stuff up especially when you're good at it

especially when you're good at. Like Jim Harbaugh, I get it. Probably couldn't do it. Never done it. Don't want him doing it. He's proven doesn't need to do it. He can figure it out. Aaron Glenn, Robert Sala,

some of these defensive guys immediately pivot into the CEO. It's like, guys, I think you're actually making it harder on yourself. But, like, he's not alone. So it's not like he's the only guy on an island doing this. But it definitely feels a little more defensive-oriented.

These guys just immediately become like the Jamie Dyeyeye. of their organization. The volume. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas.

We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Just listen. don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform?

We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Edwin Castro, also known as Castro 1021. And I'm Kunky, his best friend and business manager. And we've got a new show called The 1021 Podcast. I'm taking you behind the scenes on how I became one of Twitch's most popular streamers.

We also love sports. And with the World Cup right around the corner, we'll be breaking down the biggest storylines ahead of the big tournament here in the USA. Listen to the 1021 podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHart Podcasts presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne. Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet.

Hey. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. A redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. with all the snacks and drinks.

Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? They hit a bogo. Well, then you got it. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast point game, the playoffs.

We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was crying. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. after that game seven Mark keep coming to

he's like you know I love you dog you know it's all love this was just playoffs this was just basketball so listen to Point Game on the IHeart radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts this is an IHeart podcast Guaranteed human