The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Tush Push SURVIVES, Brock Purdy's contract, More Bears news

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

John reacts to the news of the day out of the owners meetings that saw the Tush Push get voted on and ultimately will be sticking around for at least another year. John talks about how Jason Kelce may have had an impact on how certain owners voted after him giving a passionate speech. Later, John dives into the contract that Brock Purdy was given by the 49ers and how NFL contracts are incredibly different from the guaranteed money that baseball players get in the MLB. Then, John talks about the latest out of Chicago with the Bears and Caleb Williams. Lastly, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 5:02 - Tush Push survives 12:00 - Brock Purdy's contract 17:45 - More Bears News 30:19 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And my overall take on this has been kind of indifferent. And I'm typically on, I would say polarizing topics, not usually a fence sitter, but I was unbothered by the play, but also understood if it disappeared tomorrow, I wouldn't be phased. Completely understood why the Eagles would want it. And I understood the old school football guys like Mike Vrable going, what are we actually talking about? This is a football play, and they have a player who is better at this than anyone else. If you have a quarterback who can squat 650 pounds, you would do the same thing.

We saw Josh Allen, one of the strongest, most athletic players in the NFL, and an inability to gain half a yard. And part of it was because unlike Jalen to go low, he had to go high. and so I was I'm cool with this and I do understand the detractors I get the NFL I don't get all caught up like Jeffrey Lurie it's a healthy play Jason Kelsey who has kind of gone viral there was a big ESPN.com article about an impassioned plea how him and Jerry Jones were watching film and Jerry's like listen I don't want to give the Eagles an advantage but makes a good point so you know the Jeffrey Lurie and how we break out the big guns bringing Kelsey to talk about this place. If we could run this 60 times a game, I'd still be playing in the NFL. And listen, the reason this works for the Eagles is they have a dominant offensive line, but most importantly, the quarterback.

If the quarterback was someone else, it would not be as effective. So Jared Gough, or Brock Purdy or Josh Allen, or just go around the league, Baker Mayfield. The advantage is the strength of Joe. Jalen. And like Vrable was saying like what stops us from doing this and that like defending the Eagles and I was like yeah, I don't care. And some of the comments to come out, you know, Jeffrey Lurie I guess gave like a long diatribe about the health of this play. And if you take this play out, it'll actually make guys less safe even for your teams. And I guess dropped a line

about a young child's wet dream with how great this play is. And then Troy Vival. Vincent, you know, went full ESPN. It was like, that's offensive to the women in here. It's like, Troy, calm down, buddy. Any person in this room offended by using the words wet dream, like, give me a break. This is this multi-billion dollar business. No one's offended by that. Classic Jeffrey Lurie line.

But ultimately, this play survives. And I think we're a year away. If the Eagles dominate again and they win. Like, if the Eagles were winning six, seven games, no one would care. this would not be a talking point but they've been to two of the last three Super Bowls and they just beat the shit out of the Chiefs and if they do it again

if they go back to back and beat the crap at everybody and this play is obviously a huge part of their arsenal because when they get down to the goal line they are scoring a touchdown when they get in a short yard situation they are moving the chains it's basically automatic and it will go away

but as of right now they get to use it another year and listen the Eagles are obviously going to be one of the heavy favorites to win the Super Bowl and be a dominant team and be a playoff team and probably win the division. So this story is not going to go away. But the Eagles and utilizing Jason Kelsey, which Jed York tweeted about like, I owe the guy a beer. You know, listen, there are certain guys that just can own a room and their passion, their ability to connect, and they're just likable. Like certain human beings just resonate with other people because they are just likable people.

And Jason has always been one of those guys. Like he could go into a room with anybody. I mean, it's honestly the power of that individual. That's why even his brother created a podcast with like two years later, it's worth $100 million. You could put Jason in a room, you know, at some dive bar in some blue-collar town

with a bunch of dudes making $30,000, and he would get along with them perfectly. You can put them in a room with a bunch of guys that are worth 10 and 11 figures and have teams worth five to $10 billion and they can have normal conversations with them. It's just a skill that man possesses. It's why, you know,

typically the guys that communicate in sports, whether it's a point guard, whether it's a quarterback, obviously the center, like they usually can communicate well with a lot of different people. And Kelsey's ability to go in that room, like the Eagles aren't dumb, right?

They're a pretty smart organization. I don't think I mean, best case scenario, it went as well as it did, bringing him in because let's face it, and I don't blame it.

We're all selfish. I say it all the time. People, and one thing I've talked to Maria a lot about since we've been dating is like, sometimes she gets really caught up when, you know, things in business don't go away.

It's like, people are selfish. So when you go into the mindset, not trying to fuck the other person, but just realize, like at the end of the day, they will make a decision with themselves, Their family first.

That's never going to change. And it's never really changed. And I think the Eagles were selfish on this. They don't want to lose the play. I don't blame them. And I bet there were a lot of people in the room who are kind of like, whatever. Like, I keep it great like me. And bringing Jason Kelsey in, clearly I think Florio reported on it that swung several teams, like the Browns, the Lions.

Like, it's a big deal. I mean, 22 to 10, pretty close. I mean, you're just two votes away from this thing going by, bye, bye. So I do feel pretty confident, though, if the Eagles win again, honestly, they don't even need to win the Super Bowl. If they just have a 12 or 13 win season and they're deep in the playoffs, this conversation is not going to stop. And the Packers admitted, like, the NFL used them as a guinea pick. The Packers did not care. Again, the Packers, like most of us, like, whatever.

Like, yeah, the play's kind of boring. We know the outcome. But, like, it's their advantage. The NFL utilized them. to be at the forefront of like get rid of this thing. And people within the pack were like, yeah, wasn't that big a deal to us. Like, we actually kind of respect it. So the NFL will do that again next year because if this play is the conversation about it,

you could argue, has only gotten bigger. So congrats to Eagles fans. You got a pitch that you can continue to use. And it's very, very effective. So I would expect Jalen Hertz and those guys to get some extra touchdown. because of this play because that's what they always do. Okay, Brock Purdy. I was thinking about this because, listen, when a story breaks,

I mean, part of the business I'm in, one huge advantage, a little inside baseball here that I have over, let's say I had a three-hour radio show, is news breaks on anything. I can immediately do a YouTube video and then repurpose that and put it on my podcast feed. The moment the news breaks. It could be at midnight,

It could be at 7 in the morning. It could be at 3 in the afternoon. Where historically, like if you have a radio show, well, if your show is from 3 to 6, if the news breaks after that show, nothing you can do till the following day. And it's a huge advantage we have here. So obviously NFL news in some of these stories, especially in the offseason, are just a must to have an instant reaction. And the other day, I guess it would have been Friday. I was literally walking out the door.

It was like three in the afternoon to meet my buddy Jeff Fong and a couple other buddies and go play like nine holes and have a couple cocktails. It's Friday afternoon. Enjoy some sun and the news breaks. And we were team off in like 30 minutes. I'm like, listen, I'm going to be a little late. I got to give a reaction to Brock Purdy. And Schefter's tweet is he got five years, $265 million.

And then five minutes later, it comes out a little more detail, $188 million guaranteed. but NFL contracts are not like, I mean, one of the biggest conversations going on right now in baseball, do the Mets regret Juan Soto? Because the moment they pay Juan Soto, just like all these baseball contracts, I'm giving you five, six, $700 million. We don't need to go, let's wait for the details. Let's see if there are injury guarantees, if there are offsets, if there are dates in the offseason, no. every fucking penny is guaranteed.

I mean, we've seen it in the NBA forever. It's like, wait, they just gave who $200 million? It's like, that is insane. And all these contracts in baseball and basketball are guaranteed. And in baseball, a lot of the time, it's like, he signed a $500 million contract and he can opt out every couple years where it's the complete opposite in the NFL.

And it's always been the push. Like guaranteed money, that's not the way we run our business. because we have way more players, and the injury risk here, that would be a disaster. And do you know who benefits the most from the non-guaranteed money? Because when Purdy's contract came out,

Florio on Pro Football Talk did a breakdown, it's actually the moment he signs the contract, $115 million. To put that in the context, Jalen Green, who most people around the NBA thinks like a backup, got $104 million last off-season. So, Purdy, like, listen, there's injury guarantees and some other stuff, but truly the money guaranteed the moment he signed the contract at a franchise worth $8.6 billion and he's the starting quarterback got $15 million guaranteed.

And a $40 million signing bonus. So I think sometimes, like the NFL takes a lot of flack and they run their business completely different than these other sports, it's the reason their sport is the most healthy. because they can pivot out of things. Like if this Brock Purdy situation, I think it's going to go well. I think Brock Purdy's a good player. And watching him talk today, listen, this comparison isn't apples to apples

because the other guy's one of the best players I've ever seen. But he reminds me a lot the way he conducts himself, the way he acts, the way he talks, like Scotty Sheffler. Now, Scotty Sheffler is going to go down as one of the greatest players ever.

Obviously, Brock Purdy is not as good at his sport as Scotty Sheffler is at his sport. but just he's one of those guys completely unfazed by money will not be impacted one iota absolutely zero now is he good enough especially the way we're going to talk about him now

we're going to find out in the next couple years but if he's not and this is a problem and he either regresses or he gets exposed or whatever which again i don't think it's going to be the case the 49ers after the 2006 season can get out of this thing and that's why the league's healthy

because most of these contracts even these crazy quarterback contracts are like three year deals where we see in these other sports these albatross contracts that you just can't move it's like this is a do you know who gets screwed?

The fans, the consumers and there is not a business model that is more consumer friendly than this one. Now if Purdy is just solid he's going to see all this money. Let's use cars the example Derek Carr actually gave back some money this year

but will have made over $200 million guaranteed in his career. Why? Because he was good enough to just keep being a starter for year after year after year after year after year and that's most of these guys. Right? So I would expect him to be solid and him to make a lot of this money but you always have the out if it's a problem

and I think that is the healthiest thing that the NFL does does not tie themselves to this crazy guaranteed money that these former players like, we're getting screwed. Well, you're actually getting highly compensated. But we're taking a huge risk

because you can get injured at any moment. So it's like if we did these other contracts, like baseball or like basketball, you would be unable to get rid of any of these guys. And the fan would get royally screwed. Okay, a couple of things in the NFL. This just made me laugh. You know, today, I guess,

Caleb Williams refused to talk to the media. And unlike Rory who did this last week, 21, 22, you're in this story that has to do with something that happened 18 months ago. Some of it involves your dad.

Like, what am I? I'm on this team. What am I going to say? If I was his age, younger guy, like if it was an older player and, you know, there was some story like this, like, you got to face the music,

I give the guy a little grace. But Ben Johnson came out today and said, it's come to my attention that over this past week, our quarterback has been in the media. Not saying like Caleb has, but just that this has been a big story. I love it when like a green,

a new, young kind of hot shot coach tries to come out with a lot, like this, Ben, it's come to your attention. You live in fucking Chicago. Hell, you were on Colin show last week and he asked you about it. It's come to your attention?

No, it's just, the story is the story. Now, if you want to respond as he did and say, listen, I haven't been here, my only experience, that's fine. I got no problem with that. But when you start and open up with a cheesy line, it just made me laugh.

It's come to your attention. Do you think that story for a guy that's the head coach of the Bears who's living in Chicago, local TV, listen, I'm not even that big of like a local TV guy, but when you live somewhere, it's inevitable that you end up like, especially if you're just watching a basketball game, and it's on ABC, that ends.

All of a sudden, you're watching the local news, and you just see some stories. It is, for him to downplay, like, it's just kind of floating out there. My media PR guy gave me this story. It just made me chuckle. I just, I love a good, kind of like cheesy, nerdy response to something

that is a complete lie. Cam Ward signed his contract. I think if you're a Titans fan, you've got to be pretty excited. Hope is a powerful thing, man. Belief is a powerful thing. powerful thing. You know, sometimes you see like, I was listening to Bill Simmons and he did like this thing, like should, uh, some of these fake NBA trades. And some of them include, you know,

the number one overall pick with the Dallas Mavericks with Cooper Flagg. Listen, Cooper Flagg might be the next Andrew Luck or paid Manning. He also could just be like a solid starting quarterback, right? You have no clue what you're getting. You think like it's, it's probably going to go well. And more than likely he'll be an all-star. But there's no guarantee. But the hope, no different with Arch Manning, no different when Caleb was drafted. The hope of what could be is more powerful than already knowing. And when you see guys that like in the NFL,

because if I went, hey, Tennessee, Cam Ward is going to be like, let's just, let's say I threw this out. He's going to be like Kyler Murray meets Kirk Cousins. He's like, it's like, what if I went like, you know, he's going to be like 80% of Patrick Mahomes, a lot better. And whenever you have a situation like last year and you had to witness Will Levis and the quarterback position couldn't have been any worse, it's just, it's pretty

refreshing. And listen, I didn't know that much about Cam Ward, but watching some of his comments, knowing a couple guys with the Titans, they are very, very bullish on this human. And that's the thing back to Purdy. And listen, a lot of the guys that aren't Mahomes or Josh Allen and Lamar, who are all high character elite guys. But the way you become like seven through 12, typically you've got to be a high-level cat from a work ethic standpoint from a film study standpoint from a recovery standpoint

like most of the guys in that next tier the Jared Goffs the Jalen Hertz's you know Purdy for his first couple years you just kind of like Dak Prescott when he's healthy it's like they usually check in all the boxes off the field it's pretty rare

it's like yeah this guy's kind of a douche doesn't really work that hard but you know he's seventh best quarterback in the NFL usually not how it works. So if I was a Titans fan, I'd be pretty, pretty excited. And last but not least, this one, if, listen, it's a tough spot for John Spitech. You know, Pete Carroll's in charge of hiring his coaches and hire Chip Kelly who that he got, Chip Kelly's making some serious cash now just being an assistant coach.

I mean, talk about a guy just went full mercenary, cashing them checks, got the Raiders to give them three years, $18 million to be the offensive coordinator. and Ashton Jenty, who has anyone that watched him play, you know, if you watch a lot of running backs, right, the way they're standing behind the quarterback, they're in like an athletic position. They are ready to explode. And then there are certain guys,

I think Derek Henry's a little like this, but Ashton Jenty is literally just standing there. He's just like standing, he's like a wreck, right, straight up and down. No athletic posture. Like the first thing they teach you, like if you're playing infield in Little League, is like bend your knees, get down, right? you have a good like a little shoulder which stance athletic no different and you play like seventh grade or sixth grade basketball right open your feet bend be able to be an athletic position that is

that is not how as an as a as a running back yet it it created from boise state a top six pick right and the first thing chip kelly does is change his stance and asheny's like you know super high character, good guy, kind of felt like gave in, but it wasn't something that I, you know, this is a weird situation. My take would be as a front office, GM, can we just let him do what made him be until we have to change it? Like, should this be something that we change immediately? My pushback would be no. If we like him enough to draft him six overall, could we just leave him standing there in the backfield, literally before the ball is snapped, just unfazed before that becomes a problem.

So that would be, I'm not trying to be a Raider-Hater. I'm pro. Listen, people think I was anti-Ashundi entity. He's an excellent player. He's a special prospect. I'm not disagreeing. I just, the running back value drafting guys, we can argue that till we're blue in the face. But if I'm going to draft him, I'm going to let the fucking guy be him, not change his stance

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Let's start with Will. Had a couple cocktails the other night and would like to reword my. question. He had asked the question and he rewarded it. Happened to us all. Been there, buddy. If you're in the dog shit franchise category and need to turn things around, how do you balance taking swings at quarterback with building the team? If you truly believe the team is a quarterback away, can you blame the Falcons Jets, Broncos two years ago for betting on one player that flips your franchise around? Being in a rebuilding purgatory seems worse. Obviously, obviously, paying Kirk 90 million guaranteed as reaching but if you roll out another quarterback for a whole

season you will lose fans and remain irrelevant we don't have diehard fans like other franchises the falcons have had one top five draft position since 2019 2009 matt ryan third overall in 08 so they can't just bet on getting their franchise quarterback from the draft what would you do differently. I'm not acting like finding your franchise quarterback is easy. It's not. Like you said, you typically, even if you draft high, we know how often you miss. I supported what the Denver Broncos did when they traded for Russell Wilson, blew up in their face. You know, when they traded for Aaron Rogers, he was much older than Russell, so there was risk involved. But like, I totally understood those two trades. But drafting a guy high, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance,

Justin Fields doesn't guarantee anything. So I hear you. I'm not talking about the whole philosophy of like, now we can argue like, are we playing Monday morning quarterback about Kyle Pitts? Probably a little. So I'm not going to argue about that draft pick in general. But just the Kirk Cousins move,

he was 36 years old coming off of torn Achilles and he's an awful athlete. So there was a ton of run. risk involved there. Now, ultimately, it's Arthur Blank's money. But I think on that specific move, where I have an issue with it is, if you loved Michael Penix, which clearly they did, the GM and his coach, he should have had those guys be all over comparing Michael Penix, knowing they're drafting 8th. You know, when did Rahim get the job in January? So once he gets the offensive coordinator, that should have been their main priority of comparing Penix to

cousins in, I don't know, all of February, at least mid to late February and early March before you made that decision. So to me, it felt very like haphazarded. Like they were just kind of, yeah, like no direction. So that's my issue with that individual move. Big picture, I hear what you're saying. I don't disagree that it's difficult. But they had the eighth overall pick. And then they fell in love with Michael Pennix. But they had just given all this money when they needed a bunch of help on defense that they had $90 million to give up you could have got a couple guys for like $45 million

each that's my issue there with that specific thing now over the course there's probably other like individual situations but I'm not even talking about that my issue with Desmond Ritter is didn't they draft them in the third

round let me just I just want to get my facts straight here Desmond Ritter was drafted in the third round, 74th pick. So that's a pretty good pick. If you watched them in that bowl game, I forget who they played,

but they, yeah, they went 13 and 0, and they played, oh yeah, they played Alabama. I get Alabama's a better team, but it was like watching, like, what are we doing here? This is not, he felt completely overwhelmed physically. Just to make basic throws. I remember watching that because Cincinnati,

Mattie, Sauce Gardner, that team was stacked. Running back, forget what team he's on, but he's a good player. I mean, they got, they had a bunch of NFL dudes. And they ran the table with fickle. They were legit. And then I remember thinking like, oh, Desmond and Reader is good. Because he had had a big season. He had 30 and 8, 65%.

Like, he was really good that year. But I remember watching that Alabama game going, oh, man. I don't know. I don't know about this. And they still drafted him in the third round. ever since the playoffs have been restructured to have seven teams from each conference there has always

been one division with three playoff teams in this upcoming season do you believe this trend will continue where three teams from the same division make it to the playoffs below is a list of the divisions who have had three playoff teams in the past five years

21 NFC West 22 NFC East 23 AFC North last year the AFC West and the NFC I would think the AFC West has a pretty good chance again. I would, you know, you're basically a lock to have two teams. Who's the biggest lock to have two teams, you would say? The NFC East, would the Eagles in Washington feel like a lock?

The AFC West, between the Chiefs, Chargers and Broncos feel like a lock. the AFC North feels like a lock, right, between some rotation. I mean, the Ravens are in. The Steelers make it a lot and the Bengals hard for them to admit. You could say they north. It just seems like, yeah, it's going to happen. Curious what type of season it would take from Hunter for Gladstone and the Jags to look like genuses. Well, in fairness to Gladstone and Travis Hunter,

you draft a guy and you trade a future first round pick to move up from five to two. You don't determine your career as, I almost said a freshman, as a rookie. Like he could have 50 catches and make some plays on defense. People are like, oh, solid. Like, you don't get to make a determination after one year. Like, Jalen Carter is a lot more interesting after a second year than you. First year, he's an interesting player. But, I mean, you watch him after last year.

So it's, you give him a little time. You get a couple years. You know, now, he could make him look like a geniuses immediately if he dominates. I mean, if he catches 10 touchdowns and has a bunch of interceptions, like they're going to look like geniuses. And they win 10 games and make the playoffs and win the division. Yeah, it'll look at a genius. But if it doesn't go perfectly, you can't just basically in Sharpie say it was the worst move of all time.

I started watching football every week in 2009 when I started playing myself. question, what is the best roster or short list of rosters you ever saw that did not win a Super Bowl? For me, it was the 49ers of 11 through 13. They just had the misfortune of running into Eli, a loaded Raven squad, and the Seahawks LOB. That's a good question. I think the best team I saw, and I was going to a lot of games from like 2010 to 2017, 18, range. Niners team was pretty good. But like, you know, Alex had some flaws.

In Kaepernick, while very explosive, I mean, he, in his prime, elite runner and great, you know, his fastball, pushing balls down the field. But he didn't have great touch. So like their quarterback play relative to some of these other teams, like that was a huge differentiating factor. It was just a better player. Now, this team won a Super Bowl, but I think the best team I, I think, the best team saw was top to bottom was the Broncos with Peyton Manning.

Now the team that won it with Peyton Manning in whatever year that was, 16, Peyton was a shell of himself. But those first three years, I mean, offensively, defensively, they were, it was stupid how good they were. So, yeah, I mean, I don't see how many teams during that era didn't win. There were a couple of Steelers teams that were pretty good. I mean, the heyday of Antonio Brown, you know, the Patriots. Own them, but they played the Patriots.

The Steelers beat the Chiefs, I think, in the second round in like 16. Then they played the Patriots and Levion injured is growing. So it just wasn't really a game. But those teams were pretty good. I'm a lifelong Seahawks fan. And while I have a ton of faith in Schneider, I am confused on our quarterback room. I'm curious to hear your take on what you think the plan is for Milrow and Darnold,

because I'm not sure. also do you think Schneider is a top five GM in the league right now if so where in the top five and do you like the direction the Seahawks are moving i i think jalen milro to them was like i'm invested in a couple of these right now the stock let's just i'm not going to give the exact stock but i'm down i'm down but this was a play i continue to put money in if this thing hits Like I'm betting on it being like a 20 Xer, but there's a chance that I just lose, I mean, a substantial amount of money. I'm not rich enough to where it's like I lose, you know, 50 grand just goes away. I'd be, I'd be pissed.

But it's a risk I feel value in taking, right? And I'm actually closer to six figures in this thing. But it's just, it's one of these things that could maybe change the life of my future children. or maybe it just goes belly up. And I think that's what Jalen Milro is to the Seahawks. That it's like if it works, best case scenario, we have a dynamic some version of Lamar Jackson. I mean, that's, that's, and if it doesn't, like, whatever,

we gave a third rounder. But like, it could change our franchise. And Sam Donald, like, Jalen Milro can't start week one. Our plan is to win 10 games. And we get Sam Donald for Cheever and Gino Smith, who our OC knows, and it gets us going. So drafting Jalen Milrow really doesn't have that much to do with Sam Donald. Because Jalen Milro can't start right now.

And Sam Donald can, and you're trying to make the playoffs. And if next year Jalen Milro takes a huge step, maybe beats them out and you can trade Sam Donald. But I think it was a calculated risk. Listen, do you ever just want to give away third round picks? Of course not. They got Russell Wilson once upon a time in the third round. But like if this thing hits, it could change our franchise. And that's, you know, I think for those of us that like to gamble in investing, to me,

there's a lot of gambling and investing. Like I kind of like the rush of something. Like this could be big or this could blow up in my face, you know. And that's what taking a guy like Jalen Milrow. Now, Anthony Richardson's a better example of like risking everything you got at Pick 4. it's way less. It doesn't do much if you lose a third round pick, he busts, whatever.

But that was the mindset behind there. And I think if all GMs were available from scratch and there was a draft, I think John Schneider would go in the top five, yes. 100%. I think he's a stud. Fan of the show. I'm super excited for the

Flag Football Olympics team in 2008. Curious to hear who you would put on that roster. The game isn't contact So my thought is, Josh Allen or some of these bigger body positional guys, would have less impact in a flag football setting. I have. Lamar Jackson, Sequin Barkley, Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, C.D. Lamb.

Brock Bowers, George Kittle. Let's get Brady to show up at 47, 48 and play on this team. I think he would do it. I don't know if Saquan... I don't know... I don't really know the rules. Like, are you handing the ball off? off in flag football.

Listen, I could be stupid, but are you, I don't think you are. To me, like, uh, Jemir Gibbs, Sequin's hands, like the one downfall of Seekwant and downfall is the wrong way to describe it. The one, I would say somewhat of a liability for just an all-around elite player is, I'd say Sequin's hands are average. They're not bad, but they're not Marshall Falk or L. L.T. or Christian McCaffrey, I would go Gibbs there. Because I think you're throwing a lot of, like, wheel routes.

So I don't think Sequin would be the guy. I mean, you could pick a million receivers. There is no receiver on USA Flag Football, who is better than, I mean, 100 NFL wide receivers. So obviously you go Jefferson Chase Lamb. Like, I think you could go, like, random dudes. Like, you could take a guy from the Jags. You could take a guy from the,

you can take whoever you wanted. Jacks have Brian Thomas. Like, you could take whoever they would dominate. I think Kyler Murray would be the greatest flag football player ever. I mean, ever, because he's got a stronger arm than Lamar. I just feel like Kyler Murray, I don't know.

When I think flag football, even more than Lamar and Lamar is like one of the greatest athletes of all time, I feel like Tyler would be my number one pick. Kind of a wild idea, but what if teams put a power back at quarterback when they ran the tush push? Teams know it's coming and the Eagles do it and still can't stop it.

I understand that running backs are a bit smaller in terms of height that might not work, but someone like Derek Henry under center would be unstoppable. He's an anomaly, but even if you had a powerback who's 510 or so, like a pre-injury Nick Chubb, I think you can stay low.

I'm sure there are factors like taking snaps under center that could be risky. I think that's a big thing. We talk about this a lot with a quarterback. The quarterback's, the center quarterback exchange is like the most fundamental part of just offense. I mean, the offense cannot operate if you can't get lined up and the ball snapped. I do think snapping the ball, those guys make it look a little easier than like if I just put my running back down there. and if I fumble, if it's a tie game, right, let's say it's 20 to 20 and you do what you're doing. And Coach X rolls out his running back, 20 to 20, 5 minutes left.

We're at the 50 yard line. It's fourth and one. I'm like, I'm not punning. I'm playing to win the game right now. I roll up my running back to do Jalen Hertz and the center quarterback exchange, it fumbles and their defensive tackle falls on it, and they drive and win the game. your coach would get destroyed. So I hear what you're saying.

It is that that exchange is not as easy as I think the way we just act like it is. Anyone that's ever been to a college practice, even a high-level high school practice, you spend time just working on that exchange while the running back's doing other stuff. So you only get so much time on the practice field. dynamic storytelling with the high-octane world of sports, Vice Sports brings an exciting and diverse range of programming that goes beyond the game. From action-packed live events to gripping behind-the-scenes documentaries,

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What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts.

We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And, oh, we were thinking, I'm an original. calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was this is how you guys remember it going down yes I have a very different memory of this we were talking about a thing a bit for the podcast people could call in and say hey Jonas and then I wrote down on my little notepad hey Jonas and offered it up as a potential title but thanks for remembering that guys listen to hey Jonas on the IHeart radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast just listen we don't care where you hear it

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Loved what you said the other day about girls in the NFL for football. Oh, this is Emma. So we got a lady here. I'm a die-heart cheese fan, not because Taylor Swift, fan way before, and cautiously optimistic for our upcoming season. Can I stop you right there? If you're a Chiefs fan, like the only thing that you should be excited for is give me the date week one. I mean, five Super Bowls in six years, one of the greatest quarterbacks ever and the best coach in the NFL. Cautiously optimistic.

Fucking throw cautiously in the trash. You are optimistic until told otherwise every single season moving forward like you have been for the last several. flaws like who's going to play left guard who's going to be our slot receiver who gives a shit we got patty we got spags and we got andy we're going to be okay um feels like everyone is expecting us to go in a 10 year drought like brady did do you see that from homes also what are you thinking about the old line editions i got mixed feelings i'm hoping we can get more explosive on offense you guys are going to be fine you guys are going to be fine you want to 15 games last year.

15. Beat the bills in the AMC championship game. Who had just beat the Ravens. You beat the Ravens the year before. You guys are going to be fine. I'll promise you. I think it's a little bit like the better version of what Andy had in the mid-2000s with Donovan McNab.

You know, until Terrell Owens got there, they did not have a bunch of high-named wide receivers. They were a great defense. They had good running backs and they had a good offensive line. obviously your offensive line needs to be better but what do you think Andy Reid is at his core? He's an offensive lineman

gonna be fine I would not bet against the Chiefs wanted to get your thoughts on the T-Wolves and Thunder game I understand that SGA is a superstar and I won't take that away from him but even a non-basketball player or casual basketball viewer can see

that a lot of these calls for him were absurd in my opinion it's looking worse than Hardin was getting what are your thoughts? Well, your boy might have made, I'd say the biggest bet I've made in 2025. I had $4,500 in my account because of the PGA championship. Now that it wasn't technically winning, so it was just like getting my money back. And some of it was previous winnings. And I basically just rolled that over with an extra $500 and put 5Gs on the Thunder,

or excuse me, on the T-WOLs to win. Because they were plus 270 to win the series. Obviously, the Thunder are good. But my overall take is 68 wins is the greatest Fugazi number in the history of professional sports. And that's not a shot at the Thunder. It's a shot at the people they played. A third of the league tanked all season long. Another five teams you can add to that list after like Christmas.

And then even the good teams take 10 to 20 games off a year. So it's like if you try really hard, and I saw this when the Warriors won 23. or at 173 in 2016, 15, 16, whatever year that was, the year before Durant got there, a huge part of their success, they tried every night. And in a league, if you are young, hungry, and try every night, and you're talented, you're going to win at minimum 60. And so it's like, listen, the thunder are good. But after watching them against the Nuggets,

bank the fucking 15 warriors, I didn't think. So plus 270, I'm like, I'm hammering the wolves. Like, I get Shea's going to win the MVP, but like, why couldn't Aunt be the best player in the series? And then you're watching last night. And listen, Shay's getting some calls. My bigger issue, obviously the referees, I hate the hardened style of baiting fowls. I despise that type of basketball.

My bigger issue, though, in the game was you have Anthony Edwards, who is like a young Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan level athlete. He should be attacking their third. throats every single play. Like, I get the three-pointer as a big part of basketball. And listen, the Warriors are my favorite team of all time. That stretch of like 10 years was Steph, Clay, and Dremont. And the couple years with Durant, but mainly Steph Clay and Dray.

And specifically, Steph and Clay, the way they played. So I'm pro three-pointers. But, like, after a while, if you're not hitting three-pointers, like, try something else. And they just kept gunning three-pointers. It was crazy. It's like, you have, and I get he kind of rolled his ankle, but, you have the best athlete on the floor? I don't regret my bet, but I hate it when I look at Draft Kings and it was plus 270 to win the series and now it's like plus 4,500.

It's like, shit. I'm still feeling good. We just got to win game two. So attack, attack, attack. And again, in what world I've defended the NFL against Patrick Mahomes on this? You should not be able to fake go out of bounds. Like that's horseshit. You should be flagged.

And he's not alone. Other quarterbacks have done that. If you do the fake and keep on going, you get a 15-yard penalty. The baiting of fouls, and there's a difference of, like, being smart about a bait and doing some of the stuff. I mean, Hardin was, it was ridiculous after a while. But the referees always turned on him in the playoffs, and he'd melt like, you know, ice on an Arizona summer day. I just, I hate watching that style of basketball. But what I hate even more is, and I haven't bet on the NBA all season long.

besides actually one Warriors game in the playoffs, which part of the reason I had the money in my hopper, was against, I think, the Rockets like game one or two. But I just, I hate watching a team, shoot three-pointer after three-pointer after three-pointer, and it's like clank, clank, clank, clank. It's like, I don't know, guys, let's just get a different fucking shot and make a basket.

Their lead is growing and growing as you keep hitting the rim. Huge fan of the Ravens. I recently had a debate with some friends while having a few beers. It takes about three or four beers to get us going into an NFL discussion. I feel you there, buddy. Gotta love it. My question for you today is,

do you think Lamar Jackson can be considered a top 10 quarterback of all time if he wins at least one Super Bowl and one more MVP? Aside from him, his improved throwing ability over the years, and he's the best rushing quarterback ever, I think he would make a valid argument. Talent-wise, I can't put too many guys over him. I can't admit he's yet to get over the playoff hunt. But Peyton was the same way and didn't win one until he was 30.

By the way, one of my friends bet me $1,000 that Lamar will never win a Super Bowl. Not contingent on the fact that he can ring chase later in his career if he doesn't win one in Baltimore. I think he has three to five years. He plays for one of the best organizations in the league. So his team's always going to be good. And it just like going into this season, I think they're clearly one of the best teams in the league. And he's obviously a huge part of that.

And when the season starts, I mean, they're on the short list of four or five teams that can, you feel confident going, the Ravens can win the Super Bowl. But he's got to play, you know, he's now had back-to-back years of just an atrocious interception in the playoffs. And one of the things with playoff football is like, we don't need the sexy stuff all the time. And he does that during the regular season. I mean, I would say one of the best plays I've ever seen to make

was one of the games against the Bengals, where he ran back and forth, did like a 360 and ended up throwing a touchdown. It's one of the greatest plays he's ever made. I mean, his highlight plays in the regular season. I bet when his career ends, you could put his highlight plays up there with anyone in the history league. The playoffs is more about like playing smart,

not turning the ball over and getting first downs. And I think that's what they got to do. play smart football, no turnovers. You could argue the fumble against the bills where he tripped and he put the ball down and it kind of hit. Freakish play, the interceptions cannot happen. Not in those games because you're going to be in a game

that it's going to be determined by probably less than a touchdown. So if I give you an interception and that turns into three or worst case scenario seven, that could be a 10, 14 point swing. So I believe Lamar Jackson, is good enough to win a Super Bowl. I would not have said that three or four years ago. But he has to translate, you know, part of like,

I think we use the basketball analogy. Like, why does James Harden have so much problems in the playoffs? It's because all the shit he's doing in the regular season, like, no one cares. It's about playing smart basketball in a playoff series, especially in a game five, six, and seven. You know, like, we don't need 50 points out of you, buddy. we see like 24 and playing under control and playing smart

and sometimes like he kind of gets lost in no man's land and listen I think Lamar Jackson's way better and James Harden at their individual sports but I do think he's got to take like Patrick Mahomes is really good at that just playing like a smart game we're not going to turn the ball over we're not even going to score that many points but I'm going to play at a high level intelligent like I'm going to use the

I'm not going to let you beat me I'm a Bronco fan we had a Greenlaw who Funga and the rookie from Texas on offense we had an absolute weapon in Harvey who has a we had an absolute weapon in Harvey who was a sneaky great signing in Ingram

we are plus 40,000 to win the Super Bowl so basically bet a hundred to win 4,000 does that not seem like a great value as a flyer bet. The ceiling for this defense could be on par with the 15 defense. Seems a little high to me. I saw that defense.

I mean, they had Vaughn Miller in their prime. I like Benito, but Von Miller and his prime is one of the greatest players in the history of the league. You had Ware, you had Wolf, you had Malik Jackson, you had three elite corners

in Talib, Chris Harrison, the slot, and young Robey. Might not have been a leap, but Roby was pretty good. You could hit back then, so you had T.J. Ward who would, you know, absolutely mollywap you. Brandon Marshall was a good linebacker. You had Trevathan.

That defense is as good as a defense I've ever seen in Seattle. And Harbaugh-Nin-Niners were pretty good, but I think those defense, they were faster. I mean, you guys are good. I would need a lot out of Bo Nix. I like Bo Nix, but do I clear? close my eyes to see Bo Nix win the Super Bowl in year two. Seems like pretty crazy. But I'm with you.

Pretty good value. You guys are going to be good. I think the 15 defense, though, feels like a pretty big... Again, the sport was different, so maybe you're right. What are your thoughts on the NFL team owners allowing one player per team to play flag football in the upcoming Olympics? Also, which players are you picking from each team and why?

If I own the team, if you own the team, think about the players they're going to want for flag football they're not going to want your right guard they're going to want lamar jackson they're going to want christian mcalfrey or uh you know a j brown right they're going to want tyrie kill they're going to want the best offensive players in the nfl it's like wait i gave this guy 100 plus million dollars and he's going to go in a situation against people that i have no clue who this is they are. That is going to be a big deal.

Like, I would not sign off on letting them. I would not be comfortable doing that. I would not. And it's one thing in some of these sports, like, one, the Olympics, you know, for Michael Phelps or a skier or whoever, swimmer, it's, that's their Super Bowl. But in football, the Super Bowl is a Super Bowl, you know? I would not be comfortable with that. Remember, a long, long time ago.

I forget his first name, but his last name, I think, was Edwards. I think this is the late 90s. Might have been like 97, 98. One of the best young running backs in the NFL played for the Patriots. And the Pro Bowl used to have, like, I think it was volleyball. And he came down funny on the sand, and his leg was ruined. His career was over. I think they ended volleyball right then and there.

But I would struggle with... Yeah, just... C.D. Lamb, yeah, take him. He's going to play in the Olympics against China, Mexico, and India. Yeah, no problem. What? No chance. Now, I get if I was the player, I'd want to do that.

But I would really struggle as an owner, as a coach, as a GM, trusting this whole situation. I would not feel comfortable with it. Again, would I give, let my fifth wide receiver go? For sure. but it's like hey couldn't we use Sam Laporta

it's like well little dude from the Dominican who thinks he's fucking Ronnie Lott over here takes out his knee and all of a sudden Sam Leporta's laying there because of the dude from

Spain wanted to get on the NFL's radar no thanks Hey it's us to Jonas brothers and guess what we have some big news what's the news news news news we could created our own podcast called Hey Jonas.

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I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. the four Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast,

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As a fan, you know, I'm kind of a hybrid, I would say. I've just lost my true, true emotional ups and downs, which I still get from gambling. I don't quite get. Like, I still, like, I follow the 49ers really closely. But it's just, it's not quite the same. I'm jealous of some of you that, like, still have that. Like, sometimes when I hear, like, Bill Simmons, like, how does he, how does he still have that deep in his soul? I'm kind of, I'm kind of jealous.

I wish I did. Like, I would, I would sign up for a big story that would benefit us here on the podcast over something 49ers every day of the week and twice on Sundays. But as a fan, would you prefer to root for a team that is always competitive and in the mix, but has no true Super Bowl chance, like the Steelers, or a team who has big ups and downs over the years, but takes huge swings and is a true contender during the up, stretches, think Rams, Eagles, etc. As a Steeler fan, being in the endless cycle of a good but not good enough has become sickening,

and I just want the tanking season where they finally get a top pick. Well, using your examples, would I rather be a fan of the Rams and the Eagles recently? Yes, than the Steelers. But if I was a 60-year-old guy, being a fan of the Steelers over the top of the team, course of my life has been pretty incredible. I think if we just use non-teams,

like would you rather win a Super Bowl one year and then miss the playoffs for the next five? Or would you rather be Mike Tomlin and the Steelers and for the next six years know that you're going to win nine or ten games? For as great as it sounds, win that Super Bowl is incredible. Watching a team win three or four games.

Because part of it is like, okay, you suck. There is no guarantee that you get out. of that. Google how many times like the Jags have drafted I? Google how many times like the Arizona Cardinals have drafted really I. When you're a bad team, the Giants have been bad now for like 15 years. The Jets haven't made the playoffs since 2010. It's May 2025. So I hear you and if you could, what you would sign up for, can I tank and just get like, I don't know.

I don't even need Patrick Mahomes, but just a guy that's going to be good and be my franchise quarterback, you would sign up for that every day of the week, right? It's also easy to be like, and listen, I'm a huge believer in this. You learn a lot in life when you fail. And I've been fired twice.

I got fired twice by the time I was like 31 years old. So when that happens to you, it's very jarring, but it forces you in like a fight or flight mode. and I've known people not me like my peers but like my parents peers guys that have gone bankrupt

and you hear some of these stories you see it on Instagram like I went bankrupt and I battled back and now I'm worth $500 million. I knew a couple of people again not personally but like through my parents that went BK in the 90s and their life never turned around and I hear stories

sometimes either through like mutual friends or my brother's kind of still in that world of like guys still talking about their heyday of like 1996 it's like bro you lost everything in 1998 this is a long time what have you been doing so it's it's easy to go like let's just suck let's blow this bitch up there is no guarantee that you flip that thing around so i'm all for i'm not saying you're spoiled because you're not and i get the frustration to me the mood I think the move is not like trying to tank because your organization is not going to do that. It is not going to do that, which I respect. The move is this.

And I respect this. I'm not a Tomlin hater. Guy's a fucking stud. I do think a breakup can be healthy. Like some breakups and some divorces are really, really ugly. Right. Some worst case scenario, you're like Cassie and Diddy. Like, what the hell is going on there?

Right. But there's a lot of them like, yeah, we just kind of felt. lot of love and she's a great person. He's awesome. He's a great. She's an awesome mother for my children. He's great supporting my kids. We just, we, we just, it was time. And the Eagles and Andy Reed are a great example. Andy got to leave. The Chiefs got a new coach. The Eagles got to experiment. And I've won a couple Super Bowl since. And Andy's gone on to become a legend. Like you could, the Tomlin thing, now worst case scenario is like this, well, the same.

Saints and Sean Peyton. But I think that's how the change happens. Last year was the opportunity. Blow the bitch up. Send Tom unpacking.

Again, when I say packing, he'd have his... 10 teams would try to hire him. He'd get a job immediately. And go hire Ben Johnson. Like, that's your big swing. But they won't do that. And I understand Mike Tomlin.

I'm like, I don't... I love being the coach of the Steelers. I would, too, if I was him. Andy Reid liked being the coach of the Eagles. That to me is the move. I've been an avid listener since the summer of 23. Do you think the new kick off will stick? It seems overly complicated and did not seem to impact the games last season as much as it was hyped to do.

Also, name idea for people to DMU who care enough to stick around. Instead of Kofia, what about fourth downers? Your show is three and out, but the way. ones who stick around for fourth down anyways you know what's funny is I get a lot of feedback that people like the mailbag sometimes especially in the offseason when we're just like trying to pick topics that not much is going on this you know this will pays the bills here you got to grind right now is this type of stuff I get a lot of feedback that people like it when I get asked questions non-sports I do think I don't have the data in front of me but I remember I had a lot of

line from Goodell, I think they like to kick off a lot. I agree it didn't give as many like touchdowns, but it did create a lot more returns where it had just ended. It's kind of like moving the PAT back. When you have the PAT from like the two yard line or five yard line or wherever the hell it was, I guess it was snapped at the two, so it kicked at the seven. So it was a seven, ten, like seventeen, eighteen yard kick. It was like 99.9% of the time. And Belichick used to rail against this. Like, what's the, this is, why don't we just give them, just give a free point if you want it, or go for two.

And then they moved it back and it's become like 90%. So I think they just want a little variety. I don't think it's going anywhere. No chance that I think they pivot off that. You mentioned how concert and stadium revenue directly contributes to paying players and coaches. Well, it depends. You got to, I mean, if you own your stadium, you know, some people don't own their stadium. some people are in business agreements with the city, with the municipality.

So every franchise is different who owns. Like the Raiders, I don't know what their setup is with Vegas, but like every dollar that comes in, not every team owns 100% of that dollar. Some might owe 50% of that dollar. Some might owe 30 cents on that dollar. Some might own 70% on the dollar. So it's not every team is the same that way.

I mean, like the 49ers I know, Santa Clara, they split revenue. Could you go into how wealthier owners are able to pay players more even though there is a salary cap? I've heard the bonus years of kicking the can down the road, but it never fully makes sense to me. So let's say I have, I'm a team, and I only have $10 million a salary cap.

Well, I can get a guy that another team could go, hey, we'll give you five years, $100 million. dollars. And obviously over that course of that five-year deal, I can set up the salary cap hits at 20 million a year. I can set it up where it starts really low and gets really high. But I can go as an owner with a lot of cash and go, listen, the Team X wants you for five years, $100 million. They're going to give you a signing bonus of $25 million. That means over the course of the first, I think once you sign it, it's either 14 days or 21 days. that signing bonus will be in your account.

Well, I will give you $60 million signing bonus. So of the $100 million contract, I will pay you $60 million up front. I mean, that'd be aggressive, but... So I have the cash to take advantage of the salary. And then I can do these void years and make that five-year contract, eight years,

and spread that $60 million that I give them in a signing bonus over the course of the contract. contract. So a lot of teams, I mean, this is the Bengals. Like, look how much signing bonuses they gave Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. Specifically, T. Higgins. The number wasn't that high. But their owner's not giving out that much cash.

Historically, the Raiders, you know, even once they moved to Vegas, like, Mark Davis doesn't have the cash that some of these other owners have. Jeffrey Lurie, you know, spent a lot of cash. Jimmy Haslam has spent more actual cash. So like, just because I have all these contracts on the books, how much cash am I actually paying people out? Because I'm paying more cash than the actual salary cap, potentially. Jimmy Haslam's blown by that. I think Jeffrey Lurie, last year was the Browns,

the Eagles and the Niners in some order. I know the Browns were won. The cash that they spent on their team far exceeded the salary cap. because of signing bonuses. And it's how you can manipulate the system. Where in basketball, it's like, I give Steph Curry five years $300 million. I just pay them,

the first year of the contract is $40 million. I just pay him $40 million. He doesn't get a signing bonus. Now it's all guaranteed. Right? Juan Soto gets 10 years, $700 million or whatever the fuck that number is. Which, again, God, he loafs a lot.

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