The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Week 13 Reaction: Josh Allen & Saquon top MVP candidates, 49ers are DONE, Rodgers' Future

Episode Date: December 2, 2024

John reacts to another exciting Sunday in the National Football League, capped by a San Francisco 49ers blowout loss to a red-hot Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills on a snowy Sunday Night Football tilt. John dives into Christian McCaffrey’s devastating injury in their SNF loss and explains what it means for the struggling NFC West powerhouse moving forward and wonders what’s gone wrong in the Bay Area this season. Middlekauff wonders if this means that CMC’s career is over in the League, and uses Mike Tyson as an analogue for the San Francisco 49ers team this year before explaining why the Niners’ litany of question marks could pose problems for them moving forward. John then wonders if San Francisco QB Brock Purdy is really a “max quarterback” and details how watching the signal-caller get out dueled by Josh Allen is a red flag for the 49ers as a Super Bowl competitor. John salutes Buffalo Bills superstar QB Josh Allen and says that when you have a player of the caliber you just have to ride the hot hand as long as you can. Middlekauff goes down the gauntlet of NFL contenders, including the Buffalo Bills, Patrick Mahomes’ Kansas City Chiefs, Jared Goff & the Detroit lions and others, as he wonders who will hoist the Lombardi trophy in February. John wonders if Saquon Barkley of the Philadelphia Eagles could go on to win an NFL MVP award after another HUGE Philly win against Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens before diving into the idea of a split NFL MVP award similar to Brett Favre and Barry Sanders in the 1990s. John tackles the rest of the biggest stories in the NFL, including Kirk Cousins’ horrible performance for the Atlanta Falcons, Sam Darnold turning it on for the 10-2 Minnesota Vikings and goes all the way off on the joke of an organization the Chicago Bears. Finally, John’s thoughts on the Jets and Aaron Rodgers, aging NFL talent and the state of College Football after a tense rivalry week. 5:12 - Bills-49ers Recap 13:34 - Go all-in on Josh Allen 27:36 - Saquon for MVP 41:22 - Goodnight Rodgers 47:18 - Goodnight Justin Tucker 52:36 - College Football recap Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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story, a great podcast, more people listening. That to me is way more important than the 49ers winning and losing. Though I want them to win, I was excited to watch them, try to make it back to the Super Bowl. But this season, and most people in my life, my fiance, to most of my friends, to most people I'm on text chains with from California are massive 49er fans. And this season, like, officially tonight with the Buffalo Bills. I mean, the Packers really started it. Like, they started kicking the 49ers when they were down. And it felt like the Buffalo Bills came off the top rope, gave them like the people's

elbow. And then they climbed back to the top rope and they did it again. And then they were like, one more time, we'll just climb back and we'll jump on you. And it was tough to watch. It reminded me a little bit of, especially tonight. because you were just, by the time that I had finished recording with Colin, I had gone out to the living room where the game was on. There was like five minutes left in the first quarter.

I look at Maria, I'm like, how do they look? She's like, actually, it looked pretty good. It's 3-0. Christian's already broken off a big run. They look like they have some life. And then within the next 10, 15 minutes, the game completely flipped. Christian McCaffrey's season.

And I think career now are fair to be in question. We'll give to that in a minute. I feel like the 49ers are a lot like Mike Tyson, the guy we witness on Netflix, fighting one of the Paul brothers, where the reason we all watched, at least anyone of age, like I miss Mike Tyson in the 80s in the prime prime, but like Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, some of the mid-90s craziness where I don't think Iron Mike was still the same, but he was still pretty good, and you're just hoping like, can we just see one right and knock this motherfucker into oblivion.

And then you realize immediately you're like, yeah, this guy's like 58 years old can barely move. Honestly, he's more likely to have a heart attack or get sick in the ring than he is to connect with the powerful right. And that's what I feel like when I'm watching the 49ers. I'm hoping I can get some version of this team that I've watched the last several years. It wasn't just a contender.

I mean, they were clearly one of the best teams in the league. They could beat you anyway. As Collins were said the night, like, I've seen this team go into Green Bay in frigid conditions and win a freaking night playoff game as a big underdog, and now you watch him in the snow game, they look completely overmatched. Now, clearly this is the season from hell. Like, Mike Tyson is 58 years old, who's had a million injuries, who struggled to train because he got sick. Like, it was kind of understandable.

Somewhat is understandable. You got Nick Bosa and Trent Williams, two of the best players in the league, nowhere to be found. You have Christian McCaffrey, whose season begins with double Achilles tendonitis. And now he goes down, immediately takes himself out of the game. They claim it's a knee, you know, this thing going viral on the internet made it look like an Achilles. Regardless what it is, I feel pretty comfortable saying his season is over. And dependent on the severity of this that we get over the next 24, 48 hours, like, what's his career going to look like moving forward?

because I thought this whole season like just play, the Achilles is going to rip. It's going to rip. We see it all the time because you get all these other injuries because you're overcompensating. It happens time and time again before the actual injury happens. And then you see tonight and I don't think we're seeing them the rest of the season. And I think the question mark is, can he ever get back to that 23 guy? And if he can, it's a problem for the 49ers. They just extended and guaranteed him a lot of money.

They gave Brandon Ayuk a lot of money. He had his knee shattered. Trent Williams, who is legitimately injured right now. Like, it's not just a problem that he's injured. Like, he's a problem for the 49ers because he's a star left tackle and he's 35, 36 years old. Like, they need to find his replacement. But organizationally, philosophically, the way they build the team, they don't even believe in fucking offensive alignment. They take wide receivers and DBEs.

Kyle's like, we'll just out scheme you. Well, as you saw tonight, you can't just out-scheme everyone forever. The NFL, more than college, is about the X's and the O's. But you still need some Jimmy's and the Joe's. And you're watching this team be a shell of himself, get the living crap kicked out of them week in, week out. Like Super Bowl hangover, it's not a Super Bowl hangover, it's just this team fell apart. They just came apart at the seams. All their best players, their body stopped working.

They got injured. but if Christian McCaffrey's body's body's gonna stop working like that's a problem for the 49ers. When they give Brandon Ayuk a $100 million contract and his leg get shatters like, what are you gonna do? Depend on Ricky Pearsall who got fucking shot

the week before the season. The doctor said 99 out of 100 people that are in that situation die. Tarvarious Ward I mean just the situation from hell with his daughter. There's just,

just, I don't even know what to say. I'm at a loss. But I expect this team to lose moving forward, which at this point, it does not, listen, the best part about the NFL and the best part about the sport of football, anyone can win whenever. It's why the game is dominating our lives when it comes to dedicating time. NBA ratings in the tank.

Baseball, no one watches a pitch till the playoffs. And if it's not Yankees, Dodgers in the World Series, those ratings aren't that high. We consume football because we know every single game, college or pro, anyone can win, you're getting everyone's best effort. But at this point in time, like the 49ers are better losing out. Because winning seven or eight games when you're not going to the playoffs does you no good. There is a big difference of having the 8th or 9th pick in the draft than having the 15th or 16th. Because it's not just the first round.

It's literally every round. and sometimes when your season just falls apart and you still have some pieces like there are still some unknown like can Trent be healthy is he going to be at a high level moving forward at his age you know you got to get Bose a healthy who knows with McCaffrey I think we got major question marks I you didn't just tear his ACL like it was a major multiple ligament injury so can he come back like obviously there are question marks there

but maybe this draft you know if you have top 10 picks in every round you can turn it around fast in the NFL but this season is another disaster I mean at this point in time it's kind of an embarrassment but one variable that has to change because in football like in life like in any industry

that you or I work in you have to be fluid you can't get stuck with an idea that you had a year ago or two years ago and get new information and not pivot right you can love a stock one year and three years later you want no part of it. And I've always said,

Brock Purdy's a good player. He really is. He's a good player. But you watch tonight, Josh Allen is what a max quarterback looks like. That is what a guy looks like that you are willing to give $50, $60 million a year. And have no hesitation when you give one of the biggest contracts in the NFL.

And obviously, he's a freak's freak. He is, I think, one of the most talented players in the history of the NFL. And he's in this bucket with a couple other guys that are max players. You don't even hesitate. Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,

Justin Herbert, and those are guys, and Joe Burrow, that you just pay premiums and you don't even think, you never second-guess it, because you never have to with those guys. Even with their bad games,

they are the type guys you, want. Anytime that you are thinking about giving a guy 50 or 60 million and you have to question like, I don't think my guys is as good as those guys until I absolutely have to and impressed, I'm not doing it. And with Brock Purdy at this point in time, and again, this isn't, he's a fine player, right? I think he's better than a lot of the media talks about him, and he's probably not as good as the way that Kyle and internally they hyped him up to be. But, but he's, you know, he's probably not as good as the way that Kyle and internally they hyped him up to be. But he's a guy that can, I would say,

funnel in and out of somewhere between the seventh, eighth, best guy, and 15th, and over the course of a season, his last couple seasons, you know, fell in somewhere in that range. But I can't pay this guy like I pay Josh Allen, like I pay Patrick Mahomes, like I pay Lamar Jackson. If I do that, I'm going to have problems. That doesn't mean he's not a player

that I don't want as my starting quarterback. He can't grip a ball in inclement weather. I play in the Bay Area. We don't play a lot of games like that. So that's a variable. We don't have, like in Buffalo, he wouldn't even be an option at quarterback. In Green Bay,

in Kansas City, couldn't play there. But in San Francisco, we have a shot. We play eight, nine home games there. We play every year in L.A. in a dome. Arizona in a dome. It's a controlled environment for the most of the time. But just watch the game.

It's not being a hater either. And I feel like I'm on the side now of all these other people. I think Brock Purdy's a good player. The version I've seen the last couple weeks, I mean, obviously gives you pause. But the 49ers are a fucking disaster. From a coaching standpoint with Kyle Shanahan, the defensive coordinator is a guy. 99% of football fans wouldn't be able to point out of the lineup.

I don't think he would have been on the defensive coordinator, given the stakes that were on the line for this franchise, probably of any other team. But Kyle kind of had to fire Steve Wilkes last year despite going to the Super Bowl because Fred Warner and Nick Bosa didn't think he knew what he was doing. And they weren't wrong. And then his options at defensive coordinator

were kind of limited. It wasn't a great field. So like to get a new defensive coordinator, you're basically your fourth one in four years. Weird spot. You, you know, compare that to the Buffalo Bills who Josh Allen makes up for a lot. lot of things. Right?

Well, let's just face it. When you have a player that's that good, even when you have other issues going on, you just write them like Secretariat. And I've been beating this drum for a long time. If my quarterback does not have traits that resemble some of that, you would have to fire me before I sign up for $200 plus million on a quarterback, because I'm basically just signing up to lose. I have been one of the harshest critics every time I see. these NBA players. It's like, wait, they just gave who $200 million? Is the guy even the top 15

player in the league? No, but he could be, maybe. It's like, they're going to lose. I mean, you just see it time and time again. And football used to not be like that, and it kind of became that. Like, yeah, two was good, but you're paying them how much? Trevor Lawrence, you're paying them how much? Like, that's crazy.

There are four or five guys that you deserve it, that are worth it. Any other guy you're playing with fire. you're seriously playing with fire. Jalen Harts was playing with fire. You had Sequin Barclay. Who might win the MVP? Looks a lot better.

So I just think, man, he got to be very, very, very careful. And the 49ers are going into the toilet. While I think it's fair to say the Buffalo Bills are now, and they've been in this for the last couple years, but a serious Super Bowl contender. And their organization deserves a lot of credit.

You know, they made an offensive. of coordinator move a year ago with Joe Brady, who they look fan just much better running the football. The emergence of James Cook, the rookie from Kentucky Davis, they have a physical element to them, right? Before a couple years ago, it just felt like they had to chuck it all around the yard,

which works a lot of the time, but a little like the Aaron Rogers McCarthy Packers, it helps a lot when you have a running element. When I was with the Eagles and they won the Super Bowl, they played us in the first round, I'm pretty sure James Starks went for like 140 yards. Like having a guy that you can hand the ball off to when colder weather games, especially in January,

helps. And now the bills, in my opinion, besides like the Lions and the Eagles are playing as well as anybody in the NFL. The Chiefs have a better record. We saw the bills thoroughly outplay them. And the Chiefs somehow are going to go like 15 and 2, but don't even look that good.

I did write down the schedules of can Buffalo get the number one, overall seat because I know Kansas City went in there and beat them. I know a lot of these people really, really well with the Chiefs. They all think Josh Allen is as good as it gets and is as good of a player as they've competed against, not just in the regular season, but in the biggest games of their dynasty. And I think most would tell you he's the best player we've played against. And you look at the bills, they're 10 and 2 and the Chiefs who are 11 and 1. Here are the bills. they both have five games left. The bills play the Rams this upcoming week in L.A.

Now, the bills didn't have to travel this week. The Rams coming from New Orleans. So I don't want to say advantage, but you just get a little like they got to come back. They're probably in the air as I'm recording this podcast. Then they go to the Lions, which obviously the Lions have a million injuries right now, but they are going to get the benefit because Detroit plays on Thursday. They're going to get a mini-buy.

So that's going to be double advantage Detroit. Games at home, and we're coming off the buy, which it's going to be a really, really hard game for Detroit, given their injuries against the Green Bay Packers. So who knows, they could be coming off a loss, and having this all-time-grade season could be desperate, you know, to try to maintain their number one overall seat. But the last three games for the Bills are a joke.

They play the Patriots twice and the Jets, all at home. So I think it's realistic to say the Bills can go four and one in these last five games. It's not out of the realm of possibility to go 5 and 0, but I do think it's fair, like not being overly aggressive to go, yeah, I can see 4 and 1.

And if you go 4 and 1, that puts them at 14 and 3. And to have the same record with Kansas City, which, you know, to get the number one overall seat, you have to have the same record, you'd need them to go 3 and 2 down the stretch.

Now, next Sunday night is a fantastic game. Kansas City hosting the Chargers. That is, sign me the fuck up. for that one. So that's going to be a really hard game. I think that is fair to say. And I'm, I'm an Andy Reid, Brett Veach guy. But that's a loseable game, right? And I think Chiefs fans would say the way we're playing, I mean, we can lose to anybody. Then you go to Cleveland, which is just a

weird spot. If Cleveland is still trying, there's a tough out. They get the Texans at home who are not a good team, but kind of like a shittier version of the Chiefs at Pittsburgh. which is going to be hard, and then hosting the Broncos. So, just a tough little stretch. I do think three and two would be on the table, and then you would have both teams at 14 and 3, which assuming, I guess, Pittsburgh, they have three losses because they lost to Cleveland

would have to run the table as well. And, you know, if you go 4 and 1, they would not have. So you basically have these two teams competing for the number one overall seat. I think right now if I was a betting man, as we sit here on December 1, I would bet on the bills having the number one overall seat. The way they're playing, the momentum they have. And if the Chiefs, the Chiefs loses the Chargers, I think it's very, very much on the table and advantage bills for sure.

But I think we're going to have a really, really good fun end of the year. And listen, I think now the MVP race is between two people. I think it's Josh Allen and Saquan Barkley. And listen, I think Josh Allen is a deserved MVP candidate and how good of a player he is and what he's done to this franchise, he deserves to have an MVP on his resume. What Saquan is doing is just stupid. Like, you watch them,

and it's easy, like last year with Lamar, this year with Josh, Lamar for a large portion of this season, Mahomes in years past, Brady and Manning at times. It's so easy to give to the quarterback. It's just our default move. It's what was so awesome this year about college football

is like, we didn't even have to pretend like, just give it to the quarterback. There wasn't even a quarterback that deserved it. So it's basically Travis Hunter is getting it. One, he's a deserving candidate. But two, he doesn't even need to compete with any of these guys. In the NFL, you're always going to have a couple of quarterbacks, having great seasons.

But what Sequan's done to the Eagles is just, I'd be cool with them splitting it. I really would. We've seen it in the past. We have seen Peyton banning split it with Eddie George. We have seen Brett Farr split it with Bill. Barry Sanders. So I'm cool with that. Now that I said Eddie George and Peyton Manning, it doesn't even sound right.

Did he split it with Eddie George? Let me just look this up really quick. Because I'm saying it out loud. It's like, Eddie George won the MVP? I don't know if he did. Who'd Peyton Manning split his, he split his MVP with, he split it with somebody. Oh, Steve McNair maybe? He definitely split it.

Maybe that was two quarterbacks. That's a bad argument. But I would go, I'd go Barry Sanders and Brett Farv. That's what this feels like a little. bit to me. And honestly, that's a pretty good comp, given that I think Josh Allen's comp is far Vian. You know, he's more far than Elway, though. I didn't really see Elway in the 80s, who I think had some farve in them. But what a year for those two guys. Getting some holiday shopping done this weekend? Pick up some touchdowns. They're on sale

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we spend so much time dissecting week by week, right? Kirk Cousins throws four interceptions. And everybody, and I promise you, everybody is going to shit on him tomorrow. And rightfully so. I mean, you get paid $100 million. You throw four picks, a pick six, just an atrocious game.

You could be a bad player, right? You could be, I don't know, you name it, and throw four interceptions, and we're going to make funny. You're a highly paid guy, expected to lead a team to the playoffs, playing another playoff team at home and get embarrassed like that,

you're going to get crushed. But like, should Kirk Cousins be on the Falcons? Because their season, they're now 6 and 6. They look like crap. I mean, they really do. They're going to win the division,

you would think. I know Tampa is also 6 and 6, but Baker's banged up right now, and the Falcons have beat them twice, so I would still bet on Atlanta winning the division. But why did they sign a quarterback and then draft another guy at pick eight? It never made any sense. It's because when they sign Kirk Cousins in the middle of March, they had no intention on drafting Michael Pennix. And then over the course of the next three or four,

four weeks, they fell in love with them. And now this week, all you're going to hear is like, should they just start Michael Penix? And I think we'll look back if this team ends up winning nine games and gets their ass kicked in the first round of the playoffs. Like, why didn't Michael Pennix just play this year? Couldn't you have won eight or nine games with him and been much more equipped and then not have used that money on Kirk Cousins, who was reported by Jeremy Fowler, that if it does not go well. This was a couple days ago.

They will trade him. It's like, why are you acting like you have that much leverage? Cousins has a no trade clause. He makes a shitload of money and his trade value now is diminishing by the week. And he's a 36, 37 year old's guy

with a previous major injury whose skill set is probably trending down. We'll trade him to who? For what? Like, who thinks he has much value? So I just think, and it's like if you have to eat some money to facilitate a trade, you're just wasting two years of the PENix contract.

It's what bad organizations do. They got cocky. They didn't have a plan. And now they have this situation. I never understood anyone that defended them. Because anyone that worked in a front office could have told you like, you would have known PENIX was going to be there at 8 during the fall. But their coaches didn't get involved until after free agency.

they fell for the guy. And that's what happens when you have all these moving parts and no one knows what they're doing. Yet look at Philadelphia. We talk about Sequin Barkley being an MVP candidate. He has resurrected Jalen's career. Because let's face it, for last year, we're like, is Jalen's, this situation, all this money? They got problems. Now it's like, Jaylin, you just get to chill, man.

I'll help carry you, make some throws to A.J., make a couple throws to Goddard, and we'll kick some ass. Well, the Sequin move didn't happen today. It didn't happen three weeks ago. It happened in March. When any team could have had him for... You know, the Eagles gave him $27 million guaranteed. What if some other team in the league gave him $35, $38? That's not...

He's not turning that down. Zach Bond, who was going to be an all-pro linebacker. Signing Vic Fangio, signing that guy, and turning him into an impact player. Knowing in the draft that you could sit there and get Quinion Mitchell, who has been one of the best corners in the draft, and then trade up to get Cooper DeGine. So last year, their secondary was a joke,

and Jalen was falling apart because it's just their offense was out of whack. Well, then what happens this year? Their secondary is dramatically better. Why? Young Star Corner, awesome slot corner, who slammed Derek Henry on the ground, a running back to take a ton of pressure off the highly paid quarterback and make life easier on everybody.

That happened in March. So while the Eagles had a plan, the Falcons are just flying blind. Look at the Minnesota Vikings, who are 10 and 2. Not in a million years. And I was rooting for Sam Donald. If you told me this year went well,

what would their record be on December 1st? And you were saying, hey, it's going well. 12 games in the season. I'd be like 7 and 5. 8 and 4 would feel really bold. If you said 10 and 2 and Darnold's on pace for well over 30 touchdowns, and they are right there competing

for the number one overall seed, look around the league some of these teams with quarterback issues. The Raiders quarterback situation is an all-time joke. I mean, it's a complete embarrassment. They could have signed Sam Donald. They gave Gardner Minchu, I think, $15 million.

Sam Darnold is dramatically better. Obviously, it mentioned you was injured now and out for the season, but it is not even comparable between the two individuals when they play quarterback. And you look right now at Minnesota, their season was made, not during the season. It was made well before the draft. Because they already knew they liked J.J. McCarthy. We had been hearing about that since the fall. But they also knew, like, we don't plan on playing this guy.

And who knows, depending on how the draft, we don't control it. Maybe we don't get them. We're going to get a guy that isn't free, but we're not breaking the bank for, and who we think we can compete with. And they're competing. Where you look at the bears, and you go, guys, this coaching staff is a joke. You cannot keep Matt Iber flus. It makes no sense.

They're like, I'm telling you, we like them. We think his new hairdo, his new. his new beard style, his late wins against completely irrelevant teams who were out of the playoff mix, are enough to keep him. And then by Thanksgiving,

his offensive coordinator, his defensive coordinator, which was him, and him were fired. So we didn't even basically made it until 24 hours after Thanksgiving. The Bears had already fired

their offensive coordinator, their defensive coordinator, and their head coach. These shitty organizations, man, we make such a big deal in season. Like sometimes, like, listen, the 49er season unraveled when literally everyone got hurt. There's nothing, like, no one can foresee that coming.

But when you have coaching malpractice and coaching situations, that's on the organization. And they stuck by him. And honestly, for him, the stories that came out today, going in the locker room after that moment on Thanksgiving, of not calling the time out when Caleb gets sacked which is

gross negligence you could say fired for cause after that moment to then go into the locker room and try to say adversity this will make us tougher guys sometimes you got to climb through the mud

you got to live in the shit to make it to the mansion and live at the top of the hill and Jalen Johnson just cuts them off and starts lighting them up like a Christmas tree. Any human being who has ever worked in an environment with, and listen,

you try to be professional, but whoever is your superior, your manager, your boss, after a while you go, this guy's a buffoon. Even if he's a nice guy and means well, you're like,

at the end of the day, our job in football is to win or lose. Our job in business is to make money. And you start not having success, and you go, well, like, I'm doing everything I can. I think it's working. And this guy is holding us back. Every human being has a breaking point.

I don't care how professional you are. I don't care. Be a pro. You know, handle it the right way. Be mature about it. There comes a point in time in all of our lives where you draw a line in the sand and you say, not today. This ends today.

So for Jalen Johnson to light him up and basically destroy. him for that second and like we're not having this new rockney everything's going to be all right we'll keep swinging conversation anymore those days are done props to him now should have happened a couple weeks ago it feels like that was the straw that broke the camels back but i've been saying this forever and i will continue to beat this drum if kevin warren is the guy leading your search and by all accounts by reporting this morning it is going to be him and ryan polls will assist him you got no shot. Absolutely none.

Because no coach worth their salt is going to answer to Kevin Warren. It's not going to happen. It never will happen. And if I was a Bears fan, this is the helpless part about doing this and loving a team is that the owner can do whatever the owner wants to do.

And for whatever reason, I don't know if Kevin Warren has nudes on the McCaskies. I don't know what. he does, but they have basically entrusted him with the keys to the entire organization. That if the Chicago Bears went up for sale, I mean, I think it's fair to say inflation, $6, $7 billion. I mean, they've got to be one of the most valuable properties in all of professional sports in America. And to watch this guy who has accomplished in terms of football. Like, you want to run point on the stadium, you want to deal with that stuff,

PSLs, what flavor hot dogs you want at the kiosk, whether we're going to go with Pepsi or Coke, you know, who get, what beers get the handles, you know, what do our seats, do our PSL holders, do we get USB outlets? Have at it, man. Fucking attack. But when it comes to hiring a coach and setting the tone, there was a, there was an article, there were a couple articles that I read this week. and one thing that I saw in the athletic really jumped out to me. Let me pull it up really quick because it just hit me.

I was like, I can't believe that this is in there. It said, after the loss to the Patriots, meetings at Hallis Hall grew tense. Some team leaders even floated the idea of benching Williams. That's when Waldron got fired. Two days later, Waldron was fired.

A team source said, that Warren wanted changes. A team source said that Warren wanted changes. If I was a Bears fan and I read that line, even if I knew it was true

and it was clear we all kind of felt that this guy was in charge, which to me it was obvious during hard knocks when Ryan Poles had to give him the details of DJ Moore's contract, I was floored.

Usually when you see this stuff, like, Howie Roseman would give Jeffrey Lurie the details. You know, Parag and John Lynch would give Jed York the details. Like, that's the hierarchy of the way it goes, right? Let's need McVeigh talk to Cronkey to give him the details? That's fucking insane. I just, I cannot get over that they are letting this guy run the organization. and as just a fan of football and the Bears clearly have a lot of talent

I enjoy watching Caleb like he's a fun player these last couple weeks with Thomas Brown has been enjoyable even for as shitty as they looked in the first half like he started gaining some life in that second half like that was an enjoyable moment and I think if you're a Bears fan like if this Thomas Brown thing goes right

like it wouldn't even be the craziest thing if they hired him clearly Caleb and the offense looks a lot better guys like them former player, I wouldn't do it, but nothing against the guy. I think the 49ers play the Bears next week, so I kind of like the Bears in the interim coach, boost. The Jets. Today Aaron was asked after the game.

They were up 21 to 7 and driving to potentially make it like a three-score game. Are the Jets going to blow this team out like 45 to 10? Seattle just got a huge win at Arizona. You know, the Niners are playing the bills. Their season's probably over. Arizona had or was losing to Minnesota falling apart and the Rams had an away game so you're like this Seattle's gonna blow this

and just be six and six with these other teams and then all of a sudden Aaron threw that pick six and the rest of history and when you watch Aaron play I'm not going to beat a dead horse he clearly isn't the same guy of course he's not he's 40 years old coming off in Achilles but he is so inaccurate.

That's the thing that jumps out to me. He's always been able to place a ball. Like Greg Maddox has a pitcher. Except if he was Greg Maddox, he would also throw 97 miles an hour. But Greg Maddox could spot pitches. And that was Aaron Rogers. Except he threw such hard fastballs

exactly where he wanted them to go. And now you watch him, I don't feel like he knows where the ball is going. and whether that's his confidence is lost, whether that's just his touch lost, whether that's just a combination of everything, just a guy getting old. But we're watching a guy be a shell of his former self. And he's always been a little bit weird and quirky. So when he's asked after the game about his struggles and he says there are 11 guys on offense, it's like, yeah, guys. I mean, this is the Aaron Rogers experience.

he's not exactly Mr. Foxhole. When shit hits the fan, he's also a mercenary. He barely fucking knows these guys. I think he gives a shit about this coaching staff. Right? I think even when he got weird in Green Bay, those were still his guys. And there was a lot of equity built up.

This is the problem when you see it in college sports. You see it in the NBA all the time. Sometimes you see it in baseball. When you get this mercenary mode of just go wherever I can for the most money and best for myself, you don't actually give a shit about the team. And in football, like, the teammates kind of matter. And you can fake it a little bit, especially in the public,

but, like, your actions speak louder than words. And you're watching a guy, and listen, he's tough, like he's getting pepper and he keeps getting up. But, like, does he really care about the Jets? Not at all. And now that his games lost, I told Colin this earlier today, I feel pretty confident he's not going to play next year because if you were doing something,

he's amassed a ton of money. He's made hundreds of millions of dollars. Now, there is no other job that I think he's on the hook for like $35, $38 million next year. There is no job in America that would pay Aaron Rogers in 2025 that type money. There's no role he could take.

That's like what Fortune 500 CEOs make. these athletes making this type coin, I mean, it's the greatest job in the history of America when it comes to being a W-2 employee. It does not get any better. Absolutely does not. Because unlike the CEO of one of these Fortune 500 companies making $20, $20, $40 million,

when they fail, they get fucking fired. Look who gets fired first when you're a player. Everyone around you. You are the last to go. But I have a hard time seeing it, man. He can't run away. He looks miserable. this team sucks, this franchise is awful.

Do you want to hurt your legacy? Ultimately with Tom, he had made the playoffs a couple years and he tried to eke out one more year and he just said, yeah, it was probably a mistake. I think if Tom could do it all over again, he would not play that last season. I think Aaron was so motivated

because of the injury and I totally understand, but then he gets the opportunity he has to watch himself on film. He looks terrible. And I've heard some people, People say, well, look at his statistics compared to, you can't box score scout Aaron Rogers this year. Because if you have been watching him his entire career and you watch him right now, you go.

Who the hell is this guy? It's a 40-year-old guy that's over the hill. I also think sometimes, and I saw Richard Sherman go on this rant a couple weeks ago about Moody, who actually miss kicks tonight too, about how kickers get treated so much differently. any other player on the team you get you get screamed at 24 7 365 by your head coach by your position coach by your coordinator

by your teammates by the fans like everyone's in your ass constantly not literally but just always right screaming at you on top of you just motivating you pushing you it's an intense environment sometimes I miss the environment of football just constantly keeps you on your toes

I just like everyone being on edge. I think there's a health element to that to getting the best out of everybody. Some people can't handle it. It's hard. Say, hell, it broke me at times. Like, it's an intense environment, but it really helps you laser focus on stuff. And I, I think, you know, part of any success I've had in podcasting or radio, like I kind of keep that mindset of just always kind of being on edge because in football, that's just kind of the way the building is always. Yet with kickers, we treat them sometimes like they're toddlers or like five-year-old. It's like, be easy to a little Jimmy over there.

He didn't mean to do, or like your dog. He didn't mean to pee on the rug. Be nice to him. Don't yell at him. It's like, listen, Justin Tucker has had a legendary career. Legendary. But so have a lot of players. And then they get 34, 35, 36 years old, and they're at detackle or guard or corner.

And then they start sucking. You know what happens to those guys? They get benched. They get cut. it happens every single year on like half the teams in the league. A big name guy whose play completely falls off

and they get replaced. During the season. It happens all or phased out. And yet with a kicker, I'm watching Justin Tucker miss long field goal after long field goal. Where his entire career, I never felt like a guy that I've ever watched,

you could roll out and it could be 48, 52, 56, 60. It's like this thing is between, the uprights. And now when they roll them out, you just go, this guy's going to miss. This guy is not going to hit it. Now, Adam Vinatari was kind of like that toward the end of his. It just starts going.

And I don't pretend to be some kicker, officiado, or like totally understanding when it goes, when it doesn't go, because we see guys go through rough spells. But this guy's had a bad season. He is one of the greatest kickers in the history of the league. But after today, he is 8 of 16, so 50 percent. on kicks over 40 yards. You cannot trust him on long kicks. And this is the NFL.

This isn't college. You're not going to blow out most teams. They would have had a field goal plus lead in the game if he had just made multiple field goals. But he can't do it. Right? It's 14 to 12. He missed a field goal that would have made it 15 to 14.

Then he missed another one that would have made it 18 to 14. And not one person, not a person in the stadium, not a person on the couch, that after he missed the first one and the extra point, thought that third one had a chance of going in. And of course, it missed. And then John Harbaugh's giving him kisses and hugs and saying we support them. You would not say that to other people. You make changes all the time with other personnel.

You move offensive linemen around. Hell, the Ravens, the game opens up. It made me nervous because I like the Ravens in this game, and I was telling everyone I know, bet the Ravens, because run defense. I just thought that it was a good matchup for the Ravens. Turns out I was wrong. And then what happens early in the game,

Kyle Hamilton, who kind of plays as like more of this hybrid linebacker, which is a huge reason they're so dominant against the run, their past defense has been so shitty, they moved him way back to basically free safety. They're like, we want him helping out on the back end. So they're constantly making changes. Yet you're just going to keep rolling out Justin Tucker to keep missing field goals.

I do think kicking is a lot like golf. And when it goes, like, especially in the, middle of a season, which is like the middle of the round, there is no fixing it. Like, this is not a fixable problem. And we've seen enough teams that have a kicker that gets injured in bringing another guy and have no problem making kicks. So this is a solvable problem. There are countless guys you could call up and that could make those field goals.

And could be the difference in winning and losing a game. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast. called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it.

Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, Hey Jonas, and then I wrote down

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We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because When they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying.

He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the bar. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Saigon, the story of my family and of the country that shaped us. The United States will not stand by and allow any power, however great, take over another country. From IHeart Podcast, Saigon. Please allow me to introduce Joseph Sherman.

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Sting, here's madness. The world should hear about this. There's a fire coming to this country and it's going to burn out everything. Listen. to Saigon on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We can talk a little college football before we get out of here. I do want to hit this.

The flag planning and the people freaking out. I saw so many people in the media acting like the kids that won the game. And for whatever reason this weekend and rivalry week, most of the teams that won were road teams. Arizona State, North Carolina State, obviously Michigan, and they wanted to plant the flag on the, that's probably the reason you plant the flag, right, is plant your flag on the opposing team's 50-yard line, where their logo is. Now, news flash, if it's a turf field, which most are, you're not going to be able to plant a flag. you would need like a sledgehammer, a nail gun.

You would need some sort of equipment to make that thing stick. So it's really just a symbolic throwing the flag into the turf and getting stuffed every time. It really drove me nuts for everyone acting like, and Joel Clatt and Gus Johnson basically acted like Michigan burned down someone's house. It's not that serious one. and two, you get 60 minutes to beat the other team. This is not a ditty party. Everyone's consenting to this. And when they bend you over for 60 minutes,

in a football game, in a rivalry game of this magnitude with all these big programs, they don't get to just make fun of you and do whatever they want for those 60 minutes. They get the next year to give it to you over and over and over again and you just have to take it. I thought Ohio State thoroughly embarrassed themselves. Now, I'm a human.

I understand if I'm a player and I'm pissed off. I just don't think you get to go up and start shoving people. Just go to the locker room. It makes you look way worse. Obviously, the video of Ryan Day doing nothing makes it look even that much worse. But I'm sorry, like, this is not your parents' bedroom. you don't get to just fight for this space

like give me a fucking break you get your ass kicked you lose one of these rivalry games take your helmet off go to the locker room and go sulk and pray to God it doesn't get that ugly for the next 365 days

because this is college and there are going to be a lot of college kids in your DMs talking a lot of shit starting with the players so I thought this notion of all these media people acting like these teams planning the flag were like criminals and this cannot happen.

These people need to be suspended and obviously there's going to be some legislation, regulation, people getting in trouble I'm sure is going to happen. Give me a fucking break. I thought the only people that look like buffoons were the teams that lost the game. One thing that is cool, and I think this is why college football is taking a jump this season. It's more popular now than it's ever been highest ratings by a mile. forever, when you turned on the best teams, you didn't know who was going to win.

You had one or two upsets throughout the season, but for the most part, it was pretty chalky. The same teams won over and over and over again. And now with the transfer portal, which obviously has its issues, all these seasons end, anyone that is kind of sweet

on a team that sucks, I have seen so many people like, this guy's under the transfer portal, this guy's under the transfer portal, this guy's under the transfer portal. And part of that is, anyone who's good, whose team suck,

their DMs are filled with other programs. So it's like those guys aren't entering it blind. They have an idea who wants them and what their value is, which, again, I'm a capitalist, whatever. But I do believe that it's made college football more enjoyable. Anything can happen.

Now, Ryan Day would lose to Michigan no matter what. the transfer portal has nothing to do with him losing to Michigan. He just is, has no shot to out tough them. And me and Colin went into depth on that, not shocked at all. Born on third base, now somehow back at second, looking at first. Adds Chip Kelly, who runs a pretty soft offense. Of course, he tries to run it right up the middle.

On Michigan, that's where the strength is. And then he, that's one of the most embarrassing losses in the history of college football. But on any given game, anything, can happen. And that used to not be the case. And that's why this playoff is going to be so successful. Because you have no clue who's going to win. Absolutely none. Assuming Oregon beats Penn State, I think we would all say Oregon's the best team. That's who I think should win the national championship. But I wouldn't feel that confident betting on it. I actually think there's going to be a lot of value on the teams like six through 10 if you can get them 10 to 15 to 1.

because this fucking thing's going to be wide open bananas. Georgia went into 75 overtimes against Georgia Tech. Now, you could argue it's rivalry games and things get weird, and that is true. But I think part of it is there's not that big of a talent gap in all these teams. Because all these players, the moment I'm not starting, the moment I have to rotate, the moment, I'm not just the star of the team in all the assistant coaches, all the trainers, the athletic department, and people running the NIL aren't on their. knees constantly for me, like, I'm like, see ya, I'll go somewhere that is.

Because I think every turn and every door that I open or go to is going to be better. And that's not always the case, but that is currently happening. So you watch college football, it's basically turned into the NFL. Like when you watch the NFL, the Raiders can't beat the Chiefs. As Antonio Pierce said, it's the worst team playing the best team. And as that game was going on, you're not really that shock again. They could win. honestly, I thought they were going to win.

And that's, it happens all day to day. You know, you go into some of these games. Now, it doesn't always play out that way, but you're never shocked when another team, an underdog. It's why this spreads in the NFL aren't that big. That's why when you get above a touchdown spread, that's massive.

Right? But in college football, that a seven-point spread is like the equivalent to like 18 to 20 points. And we see these big dogs win all the time. So I think, however we have gotten here, which will probably suck for the people working in it because it's tough to figure out and corral and maintain

and just everyone thinks they have the new idea. It's just all over the place. But it's made for a better product. I don't even think that's arguable. It is more entertaining because it's that much more chaotic on a weekly basis. And it has to be a perfect time given that we now have a 12-team playoff.

So we will be back all week talking to football. hopefully everyone had a good Thanksgiving and cheers to you and your family and see you tomorrow. Adios. The volume. Hey guys, it's us and the Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called

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Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.

Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Edwin Castro, also known as Castro 1021. And I'm Kunky, his best friend and business manager. And we've got a new show called The 1021 Podcast. I'm taking you behind the scenes on how I became one of Twitch's most popular streamers. We also love sports. And with the World Cup right around the corner, we'll be breaking down the biggest storylines ahead of the big tournament here in the USA.

Listen to the 1021 podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast point game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was calling it.

You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. after that game seven, Mark keep coming to. He's like, you know, I love you, dog. You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball.

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