The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - What are the Browns doing, Shedeur's prank caller, Belichick's interview on CBS

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

John opens the week talking about the Browns draft and how they are going to handle drafting multiple QB's when the season starts and what the thought the process was to draft both QB's. He also discusses the look on the front office staff's face after drafting Sanders. Next, John talks about the prank call that went viral on Day 1 of the draft and how it ended up being a son of an Atlanta Falcons coach. Later, John reacts to the interview that Bill belichick did with CBS and the awkwardness that took place with his girlfriend acting like his PR staff. 4:40 - What are the Browns doing 15:00 - Prank call 23:51 - Belichick's interview on CBS 30:13 - College football conferences Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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but I do think he was clearly, I don't know why he was so angry. And, you know, Lewis Riddick and Reese Davis, and they were going back and forth. And it was like, God, you've got to be exhausted. I was exhausted from the story. I needed to take 24 hours off. So me and Colin touched on it.

I've had some time to think about it. And I'm going to rehash a theory that I just told Coward. So if you already heard it, sorry, and if you have it, this is my theory. Because I don't think it's that complicated. Because it doesn't make much sense to take multiple quarterbacks in a draft. especially in the third and the fifth round. That's unheard of.

You go back to RG3 and Cousins. It was because Kyle Shanahan and Mike Shanahan did not want RG3. Kyle Shanahan was trying to convince them to trade back and take cousins early. He's talked about this. This was a situation where I think I just read something that the Cleveland Browns had flown out

and it never got out and met with Jimmy Haslam, with the coach, with the GM, with Dylan Gabriel. They liked him a lot. Now, I don't even necessarily agree with their assessment. I think drafting Dylan Gabriel in the third round is a little rich for my taste, right? It's like paying a million dollars for a $700,000 home. Now, value in the eye of the beholder on draft day, we can argue that till we're blue in the face. I don't think he was going in the third round. I actually feel pretty confident. Now, you could always make the argument, how do you know? I've been doing this long enough, pretty good idea. There's a reason the Will

Howard's, the Riley Leonard's, the Quinn Uers, like, you didn't need to take those guys in the third or fourth round. You knew they were going to be there in the six or seven. I do think Dylan Gabriel at the latest, I mean, I think you could have got him in the fifth, but whatever. My thought is this.

As Shador Sanders starts to drop, when you work with someone long enough, it's like when you're growing up and you live with your mom, your dad, your brothers, you really know them well, right? You know what sets them off. you know what buttons to push to piss them off you know when it's like okay

I better I gotta be especially if you have an older brother or an older sister like okay I'm gonna I'm gonna avoid this issue I know my dad really values this even though my mom doesn't care and so you just kind of work the room a little bit right definitely if you've been in a company and you've worked with someone

you've worked for someone you get a pretty good feel for their demands what they're into what if they are an overbearing boss what they will force you to do, and you kind of know how to play them a little bit. I don't mean like nefariously, but just like to settle everything down.

Once Shador Sanders starts dropping, Andrew Barry and Stefansky aren't done. They know that Jimmy Haslam is going to be interested. Why? Because Jimmy Haslam has forced several quarterbacks on them that they did not want. And they clearly in this draft wanted Dylan Gabriel. So once he starts plummeting, they go, maybe texting to each other,

maybe talk in their office, close the door. Like maybe we should draft this guy a little bit higher than ideally we want to. So we just get a quarterback in our draft class. And then Shador will go some picks later and we don't have to force this upon us. Because Shador Sanders, when I think Kevin Stafansky, I don't think an ideal fit. I actually think Shador's playing style is a lot like Dishon Watson. Now, I think Deshawn was a better college player and a better prospect than Shador. I think there are some similarities.

Well, in Kevin Stefansky's offense, and this is the Kyle Shanahan thing, they don't really into freelancing, right? They're into do exactly what I tell you. We can argue till we're blue in the face. That's how they want to play. It's why they like guys like Kirk Cousins and Brock Purdy and Joe Flacco and Dylan Gabriel. He will get rid of the ball quick and go exactly where you want to go with him. Now, can you see that guy?

He's kind of short. We'll find out. But I think they did that to hopefully like a. okay, this will shut the owner up. The problem is that Shador kept dropping. So it's like, well, he didn't know and picked him in the fourth.

And then he's still there in the fifth. Now it gets to a spot where the owner tells you, we're taking him. And when you watch the reaction of those guys in the draft room, and I know they push back against this, bullshit, you could see in Stafansky's eyes,

he wanted no part of that. Andrew Barry did not want to make that pick. And then when they discussed it in the press conference, it was clear like this was not their doing. And we have a long enough history to now know this owner forces them to do things

they don't want to do. I think Andrew Barry, and I think Kevin Savansky are good at their job. Now, I don't have to agree with their quarterback evaluation because I think Shador Sanders is a better NFL prospect than Dylan Gabriel.

They clearly did not. And it makes no sense to take a guy in the third and then another in the fifth because Michael and Barrow, already used to talk about this for a long time. The NFL practices are math equations. You don't get an unlimited amount of plays.

This isn't basketball or it's like, well, just run it again. Eventually, you can only run so many plays with your players, especially now because of the rules. So in a practice, and I'm just going to pick some even numbers to make things even. Let's say during a team period, we will have 30 reps of ones versus ones, twos, verse two's, threes, verse threes. well we're not we don't spread those equally right i give more reps to my better players especially once the pads come on and train again so when i got pads on my ones and i've been to a lot of

practices and every coach does it a little bit differently get 70% of the reps then the two's come in and get the next 20% of the reps and then the threes get let's say 10 to 5% of the reps now it might change on a given day, but it is disproportionately weighted to starters, backups, and threes. And the thing is like at tight end, if I'm George Kittle, I'm like,

hey, coach, I need a blow. I'm exhausted. It's like, hey, take this, take the next 10 plays off. So the ones, the two's, and the threes, he just sits on the sideline. And the other tight ends, rotate with the ones, rotate with the twos, rotates with the threes. I can do that at wide receiver. I can do that at running back.

I can do that at all the other skill positions, right? I cannot do that at quarterback. Quarterbacks aren't coming in and out. They stay with the unit. Now, with the threes, you can rotate the threes, or you can rotate a guy with the twos, I guess. But like, if you are the two's quarterback, you get those reps. It's why you see when there's a competition for the backup job, they usually rotate them through training camp. But over the time, like one guy ends up getting more reps. What you would have given going into training camp, obviously Flacco's going to get the ones. And just based on his experience,

I don't think this guy's any good, he's going to start with the twos. That's going to be Kenny Pickett. So you're going to have two guys rotating with the threes. You're just not going to get that many plays. So it doesn't make any sense. I've seen a lot of people try to justify. It's like just keep throwing darts at the dartboard.

And I agree. With most positions, it is just very difficult to take multiple quarterbacks in a draft and get a feel for, either one throughout practices. So you can't convince me, and other people have written about this in the athletic, that this wasn't the owner.

And anytime the owner, I'm all for the owner having opinions, it's his team. But when he's forcing you to take players, and this feels like it's like, this is out of Shador's control, but I just think it's a weird spot. And the other thing, and I mentioned this to Colin,

is coaches and front office people sometimes disagree, right? I like a player that you don't like or vice versa. And sometimes we just agree to disagree and we take the player. And if the coach doesn't like the player that the front office drafted, he can manipulate how many reps that guy gets at practice, how much energy and effort I put into them, right? Especially when you're talking mid to late round picks. and if the coaching staff, if the head coach, especially if the front office as well, is not on board,

they will not care. Because part of, and this is the cool part about like being Jalen Milrow. Listen, I thought he's a pretty big wild card. Pretty risky pick. But here's what I know. John Schneider and Mike McDonald all in on him. Think about Mike was around Lamar for years. Think about what made John Schneider a legend.

He pounded the table for Russell Wilson. So those guys believe in mobile quarterbacks. You know, Russell was a better thrower than Lamar right away just in terms of accuracy. Lamar obviously became a much better player over the course the last four or five years. But when people support you, and this is no different than any industry, when you work at a place where the guy that hired you or the guy that runs the company believes in you, wants you there, it's much easier to succeed. As a player, just like as any normal employee, you can start.

sensing like do these guys even want me here? How often have we heard over the years? Older veteran guys, just players throughout the history of the league to be like, yeah, I was out of place. The coach in the gym didn't like me. But they just didn't want me there. And I knew it was destined to fail early on. Happens all the time. We'll continue to happen. It's happened historically in the league. So I think this is a very clunky, weird, bizarre spot. And while in theory I get like, oh, just throw darts at a dartboard, accumulate as many players as you can. Well, yeah, it's easy to rotate slot corners in and out. It's easy like, oh, this slot receiver gets these reps.

It's not really how quarterback works. You've got to get a cohesion with the unit you're repping with. So it's just very bizarre situation there. And obviously the prank call situation is something that's gone pretty viral, embarrassing look for the kid who stuck his tail between his legs with his apology, post something, calls them,

bad look for Jeff Oldbrick. I also think some of the reaction like Jeff Oldbrick should be suspended. It's like, I don't even necessarily believe the Atlanta Falcons. Of course this was the Atlanta Falcons. Like, of course this stink is on Atlanta. What just a poorly run operation?

But like it was his child and I've been a college kid and done dumb things. My senior year in college, the fall of 2007, I actually, I don't really talk about this ever because I was a business intern for the Kansas City Chiefs. So from basically middle to late August

till the middle of December, I moved to Kansas City. My dad had like a friend that he went to college with who knew a guy whose kid had rented us a room for like 300 bucks. I lived in Overland, Kansas and worked for the chiefs.

And I worked in sales. So I tried to help the guy sell like, you know, sell things in the stadium in terms of signage. Just tried to do a bunch of stuff in sales. It's not what I wanted to do, but it was the only way I get into the NFL. I had mailed at the time, it was hard to get emails in 2007. So I had mailed like every team in the NFL and a lot of college teams asking if they had any sort of internship in football. and I still have them in my closet.

A bunch of people emailed me back, the Giants, the Packers, the Bears, these are generic, like, thanks for your interest, we got nothing. And the chiefs were the one team that were like, yeah, you can come work for us. I was like, I'm going to work in the NFL. It was an unpaid job in sales

in a cubicle with like 50 other interns. But I also utilized that time to meet people on Herm Edward's staff, and early on in the season before they really started to suck, I would go up a couple nights during the week and try to help him out with like miscellaneous bullshit. Basically his like head of, I guess he would have been like the head of football administration or something.

He interviewed me to Herm. He was cool. He kind of got my really the ball rolling of what I aspired to do after that. And they used to have these booklets. And basically it had every number of every human in the NFL. Because cell phones, while they existed in 07, most people in any industry in your office had a hard line. And if I wanted to get a hold of the CEO of Microsoft or Jerry Jones, he had a number directly to his office that was separate of a cell phone.

And this booklet had every number in the league. From GMs to coaches to owners. Obviously all the famous people, not players or anything, but everyone that had an office in the league. well when I went back to Cal Poly because I still had spring and I guess winter and spring we were in the quarter system I went back and living my buddies

so in a couple quarters of just I basically had like one class remaining I was party and hanging doing nothing doing whatever I wanted and I think one late night I bust out the book we probably had a few too many and I was like

you guys want to call Belichick again this is I forget I actually had forgotten about this until my buddy, Trent, had told me a couple years ago about this situation. And I'm pretty sure two guys, and again, this could have been Pacific Standard time, midnight on like a Saturday. So people wouldn't even have been in the office. We definitely called Belichick and Jerry Jones. And you would get like, especially, you know, whatever the number was, extension 219 or extension 17. And it'd be like, this Jerry Jones office or this Belichick.

It was incredible. We were all laughing on stuff. So I think, listen, kids do dumb shit. Now, I didn't get anyone on the horn. I don't even think we left, we hung up. You know, when it would go like, beep, we'd just hang up.

But everyone, the overreaction, is it stupid? 100%. Is it a kid being a fucking asshole? Yes. From what I saw that Chidor was not the only guy that this happened to countless players. So was it all these guys? Somehow they got hacked.

I have never heard of someone's kid getting access to numbers and then wearing these guys out. But I do understand a situation where if you give a 21-year-old who's 15 Quar's lights at the time, they were like Natty Lights deep, it's like, hey, I got Belichick's number. You know, you might call it and say something stupid. The NBA 82 game grind is done. And now the real fun begins. The NBA playoffs are here. and it's time for the high-stakes drama.

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There is still an element of selling yourself. In the NFL, I don't need to sell shit. I sell by what I pay you, and do you want to win or lose? And that is historically how it's operating. In college, it's changed. But like the reasons Sabin and Kirby and Ohio State and Michigan always got the best players all my life, just because you couldn't pay guys above the table,

you could still pay guys below the table. You still have to recruit their parents, the players. Stuff still matters. And your personality, like, look at the, top head coaches in college football have big personalities. And it matters sitting in living rooms. And I'm watching Belichick thinking like, this is a little bizarre. And I don't know how good North Carolina is going to be this year. No clue. No nothing about their roster besides they just signed this kid from South Alabama who was like a mobile dual threat quarterback, which feels a little bit weird,

but we'll see how that operates in Belichick's offense, which I'm not even quite sure what is, but we'll find out what it is pretty quickly. I just watched that video and I thought to myself of like, Belchick's never working in the NFL again. I don't think anyone's hiring this guy. And I think the situation with his girlfriend, like most owners in the NFL have probably seven girlfriends. No one judges you.

Robert Kraft's wife died and he had like a 30-year-old on his arm the next day. So it's like it's not like the NFL is some moral police when it comes to the age gap of who you're allowed to date. Nobody cares. But it's one thing when you hear about it and it's another thing to see it in that environment. And Belichick gave this interview like he had just lost to the Kansas City Chiefs

and they're on to Cincinnati. And it's like, I don't know if you can really act like that in these settings in the position you're now in with this girl on the side who, I don't blame her. she's you know she can say whatever she wants would she be dating this 73 year old if he was a plumber

of course not it helps when you go this guy's worth probably 100 plus million dollars let's call a spade a spade and there's nothing wrong with that it's her prerogative she can she can bang whoever she wants to but when you see that version on CBS

you're like this is rough man this is rough for your current job and I'm a Belichick fan I think he's the best coach I've ever seen. And some of the stuff that people crush them for, none of it matters in the pros. It's a very black and white league. You win or you lose. You win or do you lose? Nothing else really matters. Belichick had a guy who murdered someone down the road from his house. It's like, yeah,

we'll cut him, we'll move on, and we'll win three more Super Bowls. That's the NFL for you, in a nutshell. The Baltimore Ravens, I've talked about this over and over, like as polarizing as door. He honestly overshadowed some of these red flag guys that were drafted in the first and second round. Major red flag guys. No one, if the guy gets 10 sacks, no one will give a shit.

Beside a couple Big Js on Twitter that no one will listen to. And like, the reason the Ravens, think about this, the Ravens drafted a kicker in the sixth round. They have no clue if Tucker is Deshawn Watson 2.0. And let's face it, if Justin Tucker had got

cover your ears, kids, a handy in a massage for a therapist a couple times. No one in the NFL would care. If you don't think most people in the NFL haven't experienced something like that, people in society haven't, like a lot of you would be throwing stones at a glasshouse. I'm not going to get up here in my eye horse and act like, you know, you haven't been doing massage therapists over the years. The reason to Sean Watson was so, I would say, bizarre in such a toxic situation.

is like, bro, were you addicted to this? Was this an addiction for you? That's weird. Especially when you're like a good looking quarterback who's really rich. Shouldn't need a bunch of handies at the local massage therapist. Right? And the Tucker thing is, feels like it's in a similar vein. But the reason they drafted a kicker and more than likely Justin Tucker won't be on their team this year

is because he can't kick anymore. His career is winding down. He's not good. if he was still wildly considered one of the greatest kickers of all time in the prime of his career, they would overlook it. It's why Belichick, all those years,

it was like doing some weird shit when he comes out of that Nantucket house with his shirt off, probably not sleeping with a 50-year-old, don't blame him there either. Like, he's got options, right? Everyone's like, well, he's Bill Belichick's six rings. You start struggling.

People, like, when you're a sales guy and you're the number one sales guy in your company you can do whatever you want they're probably not going to get rid of you miss your quota is four quarters in a row see how that goes and I just think sometimes

people get on their high horse about stuff in football it's like if they think you can play you're going to be on the squad if they don't think you can play you won't be well they'll overlook you and uh

the argument that we've had for a long time, which I do think is like kind of jump the shark about the conferences and where the best players are. And we argued forever about the, who should be in the playoffs.

And I understand just because you have a lot of guys drafted doesn't mean you're a great team. But it's pretty clear watching Ole Miss, right? Or Alabama, that even in years where they underachieve, they're way better than SMU. And looking back at the college football playoff when everyone argued SMU deserves it.

How many guys at SMU just have drafted? The SEC again for, I don't know, the hundredth year in a row, had more players than any conference drafted. If you combined the ACC and the Big 12, they don't even equal the SEC, and they only eclipse the Big Ten by a couple of players. I feel stronger and stronger about this take and thought by the day, definitely by the year.

this is only going to continue to consolidate. And I'm not pro like what has happened to college football. I did not want the Pact 12 to disappear. I was not rooting for that. I love the Pact 12. I wish it still existed. I loved watching Oregon State try to upset USC. I loved watching Washington State try to take down Kaelin Dubour when he had a loaded team.

That was cool. Those days are over. Those programs are now essentially D1A. Fresno State got my start in football. It'll be D1A or D2 here really quick. These programs that are not only Power 4, we're headed to the Power 2. That's where we're going.

Miami, Florida State, North Carolina, they already want out of the ACC. So the lucrative programs in the third best conference won out. They don't want it to exist. And listen, I respect the Big 12 in terms of basketball. At football, it's a terrible conference. It really, it's, it is much closer.

The Big 12, and I'm not some shit-talker. I loved Arizona and Arizona State when they were in the Pact 12. But watching those two programs, especially Arizona State this year, play in the Big 12th, it's just not a very good football conference. They lost their two best programs, Texas and Oklahoma. The Big 12 is closer to the Mountain West than it is the Big Tenor of the SEC. Honestly, I don't even think it's that close. So, like, the argument, and this is where college football is going to be,

pretty fascinating. A lot of people have wondered, Quinn Ewers, did Quinn Ewers make a mistake? It was obvious when he chose to come out in the NFL that he could have made more money staying in college. He knew that when he made the decision. Because we all knew. It's like Quinn, you're not going to go in the first two days of the draft. And we know the going rate when we see Carson Beck making a couple million dollars. Like you can still make millions of dollars. Now, I could also understand being a 21-year-old kid, like, I don't want to go to class anymore. I don't want to stay on campus. I don't want people to view me like Tyler Shuck. I'm just here for the long haul. I do think, though, you'll look back if the NFL career does not go well. It is hard in the real

world. Really, really difficult, very difficult to make millions of dollars. And if you're out of the NFL, like a lot of players are in under three years, the amount of money that you will accumulate, especially if you only play on the couple practice squads and then you barely even get a year and you're out of the league, you will never be able to recoup that money. Now, maybe go on to a successful career, but it's more than likely going to take you some time to build up your career to even make big time money for a decade, two decades, like it's going to take a while. And I think it's going to be a conversation moving forward. Like Carson Beck went to Miami. He, He was in the same situation.

He easily could have come out. He would have been drafted just like all these other guys in the 6th round. Instead, he's like, I'm going to cash in. I think it's crazy. Like, I wouldn't give millions of dollars to Carson Beck or coin yours. But I'm not running these programs. And these programs are proving they will do it. Now, I also think this argument that's out there on the internet,

that guys, if they don't get drafted where they want to go, should be able to come back to college. Like, no, I don't agree with that. But maybe we should lengthen the time. I'd have no problem with going up to like free, like you're allowed to go to the combine and through basically free agency, to start a free agency, March 15th,

that's the date. And you're able to test the waters. You know, the NBA has done this for a long time. Go to the combine. And if you want to back up, I even think the NFL in college has tried to institute that, but I think more guys should utilize that.

And if you want to stay, hey, this is going right now. I do think it's a little complicated with the transfer portal and everything. But that's a lot of money to pass up. It really is. but I also understand as someone, I could count on two hands

the things I've learned in class in college. Not even. I don't think I learned anything in a classroom in college. Not one thing. And college really benefited my life. Everything I learned was outside of the classroom. Meeting new people.

Trying to date women that I didn't grow up with. Like, doing stuff for professionally, when you know nobody, trying to kind of forge your path. Like everything I learned in my four, five, four years in a couple quarters at Cal Poly was outside of a classroom. So I understand these guys going,

this is stupid. I agree with you. Unless you're going to become a doctor or an engineer, most things you're going to learn in this classroom will not benefit you as you age professionally at all. But like, I know people that are just ready for the next challenge and ready for the next thing. And I can imagine it's easier for me at 40 years old

to value money and understand, like, and be able to look at things from a 20,000 foot view than it is for a young guy who's just been making, I bet Quinn yours has made millions of dollars the last couple years. So he goes, I'll just make more. And he'll look back maybe in five years. I'm like, God, I should have just transferred A&M.

I'm just picking random schools, but he clearly would have had options. and it's going to be fascinating to watch how this plays out. And part of it is this. You know, Shador made a lot of money in branding because he was a really famous college player. Same with Quinn Ewers, really famous college player. That brand changes dramatically

if you're not good in the NFL. No one cares. I've always hated athletes that try to start brands that basically are just copying, Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods or some of these guys. Like the biggest brands in my life when it comes to athletes are based on guys who are fucking legends, champions. The greatest players of all time.

I mean, the greatest athlete brand, not even close, is Michael Jordan. Also known for one of the greatest champions in the history of society. I don't even know what TB12 is, but when you say TB12, everyone knows. it. Why? Because he's got seven Super Bowls. Tiger Woods literally changed the way business professionals

wore collared shirts to work and changed an entire industry, the polo industry, because he was winning majors every single year. Part of your brand has to be greatness.

You can build a brand in brands behind Patrick Bahams. Why? He wins non-stop. the NBA is full of these guys who's brand like what are you doing you know this ain't gonna work and usually it doesn't

no I'm not saying like I kind of I feel like you're just being a hater just talking reality and I think these guys are going to look back like did I make a mistake now I don't Chador I'm sure thought even if he fell was going to be a second round pick

everyone every single human knew that Quinn Ewers was not going to get drafted very high. Honestly, I'm a little surprised he got drafted at all. He could have stayed. Chos not to. And I wonder if he's going to be used as an example moving forward. The difference, you know, basically they came to a fork in the road.

Him and Carson Beck. They were in two separate cars driving right next to each other. Carson Beck went, I'm going to cash in, chiching. Quinn Ewer said, I can never look at another professor, who even knows if he was going to class. I've talked to some of you young guys, half your classes are online. I would have died for an online class when I was in college. He's like, I'm going pro.

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