The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - What's going with the Raiders, is Luke Fickell the problem at Wisconsin, and Baker for MVP?

Episode Date: October 9, 2025

John answers all of your questions from the deeper issues with the Raiders, the latest with the Jonanthan Gannon situation, to why Wisconsin has fallen so far, and much more in this episode's massive mailbag segment.  Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest.  All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We will be live on YouTube after the show. Follow that YouTube page. Obviously be out in the most. morning as an audio podcast. So we'll be reacting Stucky. I'll record with Stucky on, well, if you're listening this on Thursday, I'm probably recording with him right now. So that'll be the show for Friday. And today I said, you know what? I was looking at a lot of the mailbag questions and they were, a lot of them were stuff that I was going to talk about anyway. So I said, you know what, let's just do a massive mailbag. At John Middlecoff.

At John Middlecough is my Instagram. Fire in those DMs. Get your questions answered on the show. Throughout Wednesday, it looks like the Belichick thing is getting even worse. So if something officially happens, I will definitely react to that. But I was like, you know, I've talked about that two days in a row. We will just wait until he quits or he's fired, which all signs kind of point to that happening now, which is insane. If you would have told me even the biggest haters that hated Bill Belichick that don't like Mike Lombardi, that he wouldn't make it to week six, he wouldn't make it to the cow game, I don't think they would have believed. leave you. I definitely would not have.

So if he doesn't coach next Friday and quits or he's fired, that's pretty insane. And this is why people like me have jobs, because you can't make this stuff up. It's the ultimate reality television show. Now, I didn't think he was going to be a Carolina lifer, but I would have put the over under on like two and a half years. But looks like that might not be the case. Who knows? By the time you're listening to this, Belchick might not be the coach North Carolina. You guys know the drill. If you listen on Collins' feed, make sure you subscribe

to three and out. Let's dive right into Allen here. Let me see if I clicked it. I don't know if you said it or not, but what are your thoughts on the Jonathan Gannon situation with DeMarcato? And Gannon being fined $100,000. Growing up playing football, it just looked like average stuff our high school coaches would do to us. And if you asked me, Gannon had the right to be furious with him. My initial reaction was it was an all-time screw-up by the player, which

at the time when Gannon lost it didn't know was going to lose him the game, but he was clearly furious because the only way it would have been impossible for the Titans to win the game, literally impossible if he scores. 28 to 6 are the worst team in the league. The game's over then. It is officially, they could have called

it right then. And obviously it flipped. And Jonathan Gannon is no dummy, he's been coaching long enough to realize that that cannot happen. I mean, it was an embarrassment, right? That is a coaching point that gets hammered to players even when the situations happen in the league, right? But that's

a natural one throughout training camp throughout the season that gets brought up and talked about. It's an embarrassing moment. And he's really mad. Now, I've seen some players go, you can't touch the player. Like, he hit him to me, it looked like on a chest plate, like a blow the shoulder pad. It wasn't like he socked him in the face.

And then he apologized. He said, I slept on it. It was a bad look, which you could go, listen, part of your deal, your team's not winning that many games over the course of your career, is kind of holding it together. You mentally lost it. But if my wife freaked out because I slightly undercooked the rice tonight for dinner, like, it'd be like, what are you talking about? Now granted, she's pregnant so emotions can run high. But if I flooded our closet and our master bathroom, like, I would expect her reaction to not be great. And I think if he had just, lost it because

DeMarcato had taken the wrong aim point on the outside zone. He was like, bro, calm down. He literally dropped the ball on, I don't know, the inch line and like gave the Titans life which ended up giving them a lot of life because they won the game. I think also 100,000, and I say this about any feeling.

Basketball players, baseball players, NFL players, I think fines are egregiously high. I mean, when I see some of these players getting like $25,000 for a dress infraction, I'm like, that's an outrageous amount of money. And most of these guys are not Patrick Mahomes making $50 million. So if you make a million dollars and you get fined a couple times at $25,000, $50,000, that's net, right? That's getting fined off your net income, not the gross.

So Jonathan Gannon lives in a $10 million house in Paradise Valley. Like he's doing fine. I do think $100,000 fine for that. is insane. If you wanted to say he got fine, 10 grand and got a slap on the wrist, $100,000, it's not even about soft because I think the league is so reactionary. They don't care about any of this shit. They really don't. They're not like, there's no one in the league office offended or anything. They just PR, they react. Right. Ray Rice's wife gets caoed. It gets leaked. They react. I mean, it's just constantly reactionary. They don't actually care about anything besides trying to make

the most money possible with television games. Like that's their one goal To be as popular as possible And make as much money as possible Everything else is pure reactionary And I'd say pure theater Like that's what the Jonathan Gannon thing is But if you're Jonathan Gannon

And his wire that comes every week or two weeks That ain't theater It's like that's insane Like I apologize I thought his apology was genuine He regretted it Which again he didn't hit the guy in the face Like hit him in the pat

Like you said Anyone that played high school football Obviously college football Like these things happen all the time. I mean, people scream things that you could never scream in any other profession, which I just did it to myself. Who cares? Like, I hate that. It's like, well, you couldn't do this and well, yeah, no shit. In the insurance cubicle, we understand that. Football's a different world. People swear at each other constantly, scream at each other constantly. The only reason he lost

his mind is because it was the dumbest play of all time. And everyone that had the Cardinals in a survivor pick, just in any sort of money line parlay, support scant. So yeah, $100,000. I don't think it has anything to do with soft. I just think it has to do with like, I think sometimes these people in some of these corporate positions have a false sense of like the way people look at stuff. Again, my reaction was like, not that big a deal. I would imagine most players in thinking it was that big a deal. I saw some older players like, you can't put your hands on you. I don't know I mean you kind of hit him in the shoulder pad

Is that big a deal? I'm with you I mean I didn't That's over my head because I didn't think it was $100,000 When I saw that number I was like Are we serious? Like the player

Ruins the game Has to own it The coach apologizes for Losing his mind Losing his mind would be strong For the interaction And can't we just move on? Question for the bag

not to be a broken record because the topic is definitely being worn out, but let's say the Eagles lose to the Giants or squeak out a win. What's the likelihood of the Eagles moving on from their O.C. and pursuing Mike McDaniels as an immediate replacement. Well, he's got to be fired first. So I think you're assuming he's going to be fired. I think that's a little more difficult than the way it's being thrown about. When I see a lot of people say Mike McDaniel,

as the next OC I think that's an off-season project. I don't think you can just bring him in week eight, fire the OC and be like, you run the offense now. He'd be like, well, what's the offense? What's the verbiage?

Like, they can't just speak my language. If they're speaking Chinese and I speak Spanish, how are we supposed to communicate? So to me, it doesn't really work mid-season. I guess you could bring them in as a quote-unquote consultant. But you hired Vic Fangio, that clearly doesn't really respect Mike McDaniels, so that'd be a little weird.

I just think you're kind of stuck with this kind of group. You just got to make it work. If I had to guess, I bet it's kind of going to be a low-scoring game. Mailback question. I'm curious on the process of finding OCs and D-Cs in the league. How does Dan Campbell find a Ben Johnson? And how do these talented coordinators seem to come out of thin air? well, Dan Campbell worked with Ben Johnson in Miami.

So when Dan Campbell worked for, I think, Joe Philbin, maybe it was Tony Soprano. I forget how Dan immediately or originally got there. Ben Johnson was either on the staff or came at one point when he was there. So a lot of these interactions with quote unquote no name guys happen when people work together. It's right. Like how did Sean McVeigh hire Kevin O'Connell to be? his offensive coordinator a couple years ago because they had worked together when Jay Gruden had hired Kevin O'Connell years before in Washington.

So these guys meet each other that way. A lot of it is just because you're hired. Like how did I meet most of my friends in the NFL? Well, I was just worked for the Eagles and they worked there too. It's like Harry Roseman hired him. And I just met guys that now work, you know, still work for the, you know, the Eagles, the Raiders, the bucks, the, uh, Chiefs, you know, just out of happenstance.

It's like it's no different than all these guys that work together because of Nick Saban. Well, it's because Nick Saban hired all these guys. So I think it's a lot of it's that. And then, you know, Dan Campbell, when he elevated Ben Johnson, he probably thought highly of him as a young coach, as a smart coach, former quarterback at the University of North Carolina. I don't know if Bill Belichick is allowed to post anything about the Bears. but yeah, I just think you meet them, you like them,

and then you hope because you never know. Because for every Ben Johnson, there's a Kevin Patola. What do you think it would take for college football to start a conference-based NFL Red Zone? ACC, Big Ten, SEC, etc. Each having their own show that runs their game throughout the day all in one place. I think it would pull in big money.

I think they had talked about this, and the problem is, are you saying separate would take on-based show? So it's just one of the issues, I think, is like Fox and ESPN and Disney and CBS, they all own rights to different leagues. So like when the NFL network showed the Red Zone, well, the NFL owns everything, right? They just license it out and sell you the rights to broadcast the games. But if they want to do a Red Zone, they own their product, right? They own, quote unquote, the IP.

But if you're Fox, you know, who hosts the Red Zone? Is it ESPN or Fox? if it's ESPN, well, then why am I giving you the rights to do Michigan and Ohio State highlights and Oregon highlights? So it can get kind of convoluted and complicated in that situation. And if you wanted to do an individual like Big Ten or ACC Red Zone, well, like at any point in the day, there might only be two or three games going on.

I would have no one's in the Red Zone. So it's like the afternoon, like let's face it, the Red Zone, like the channel that we watch on Sundays is dramatically better from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. Pacific standard time or, you know, depending on wherever you live, that morning slate of games.

It's not as, especially what in the afternoon when there's three games. You don't really need it. I mean, even if you only got one TV, if you got YouTube TV now, you can just put the three games on, you can just watch two of the games. Like, you don't really need the Red Zone channel

in the afternoon. I think that would be a lot of college football is it would be like two and three game windows. I have somewhat of a different type question for the mailbag, if you're up to it. The recent situation with players inexcusably dropping the ball at the one-yard line got me thinking,

what is your biggest pet peeve while watching any NFL or college game? For me, it's when obviously inferior team punts in the opposing team's territory resulting in a touchback. It's almost like instead of trying to try to be, trying to pull off an upset, they play conservative and are actively trying to make the game as boringly possible to watch. Also, side note, the recent Ryder Cup Port-a-Potty story,

you told was hilarious. I would say my two biggest pet peeves, in college football, it is 100% kicking kids out of games for targeting. In 2025, I've been saying this for years. No one's trying to hurt anybody. They have had it hammered home now through high school, through college. the day and age of people leading with their head and trying to break people's skulls, it used to happen. It used to be coached up on defense to fucking send the guy to the training tent.

People are just trying to make tackles now. And most of these kids that are playing on Saturday, even at good schools, are not the next Ed Reed. They're not going to play in the NFL. And even if they play in the NFL, their careers are going to be very...

The amount of games, if you're like a high school or a college junior, and it's your first year starting, and you're going to be a two-year starter and then your career in the NFL might be like two years, practice squad, never even playing a game beside a preseason game. You only have so many games you get to play at that level, which is

incredible if you're at like, you know, a Utah or or an Ole Miss or whatever, but you're not going to be an NFL player. And then for you to get kicked out of a game to then also miss the start of the next game is it really grinds my gears. I mean, it infuriates me. I feel like a parent for these kids.

Like, this is insanity. are we still doing this? In NFL, I'm all for protecting the quarterback with the rules. And as we see, the more and more of these backup quarterbacks that come in, it sucks. I mean, the Bengals, like, it's not the rules, you know, Joe Burrell heard his toe, he hurt his toe. But like, we miss out when these quarterbacks get hurt. Kyle Brandt was on my show, whatever, a couple weeks ago said the same thing. And I totally agree. I do think we bail quarterbacks out a lot, though, in the NFL. You know, I think we should change the PI rule to 15 yards auto because you throw some of these bombs that have no chance of hitting

and you get like 40, 50 yards. I do think we call defensive holding also shouldn't be an automatic first down. You know, if it's third and 12 and there's defensive holding, you know, six yards, like you should get, okay, now it's third and six. I hate defensive holding getting automatic first downs, and I hate the pass interference gets you so many yards. So those would probably be my two. I already know the answer to this one.

think is better? Herbert or Trevor Lawrence? If you were GM starting a franchise with whoever you want as the coach and all the other personnel being equal, come on, this is, if I pulled every single human being in the NFL, including Liam Cohen,

I forget their GM's name, and Tony Bouseli and the con family, there wouldn't be one person. This might include Trevor Lawrence's wife who would pick Trevor Lawrence. It is honestly no shade to Trevor Lawrence. You're comparing him to a guy who did I see?

Someone called him the best passer in the NFL. Who was it? I forget. Someone called Justin Herbert the best pure passer in 2025 in the NFL. Listen, I think Justin Herbert's in a different universe than Trevor Lawrence. I give Trevor credit, played hard the other night, ran around, made plays.

Honestly, it was probably one of his better games still relative to, like, moans. I don't think it's a great game. But I just don't think he's that good. relative to the number one overall pick and a guy that got $200 million. Is he a starting quarterback? I'm not saying he should be like a backup.

But I think he's one of the most overhyped players of all time. I still can't get over people talking about him like he was the greatest thing since sliced bread as a prospect. I didn't quite see that. Relative to his class, they were right. Hot take, the NFC has better teams than the AFC. The discussion always been that the AFC has better top-end quarterbacks. Mahomes, Alan, Lamar, Burrow,

and the NFC teams were more well-rounded. While I see the value of having elite quarterbacks, we see teams like the Ravens and the Bengals immediately go trash without their quarterback, while teams like the Niners, Vikings, commanders are still competitive with their backups. The only realistic Super Bowl contenders I can see from the AFC are the Bills, Broncos, and Colts, maybe the Chiefs.

While the NFC could have anyone in the playoff picture, Eagles, bucks, lions, packers, Ciacs, Rams, commanders, 49ers. Totally agree. I do think the last couple years The Eagles really got hot And they were playing well And their team was stacked But you know, the years

I think the AFC has been better at the top For like two or three years Because the bills, the Ravens, and the Chiefs were playing so well But as we sit here right now I don't even think it's an argument The NFC is every bit as good And is way deeper

Right? I mean if the Steelers are one of your best four or five teams like the NFC is better than you. People talk trash about the tushbuss as if the Eagles are the only team that can run the play due to their quarterback being able to squat 500 pounds. I think it's 600, but know what you mean. Understanding their align strength is also a large factor.

What prevents a team with a solid O line from putting a running back, fullback, or tight end at the quarterback position. For example, why doesn't a team with a solid O line as the Lions put David Montgomery or Lepard? Porta in the quarterback, run, and run the tush push. In at quarterback and run the tush push.

Well, I think this answer is pretty simple. It's because anyone that's, you know, played peewee football, let alone college or pro, like the quarterback center exchange is something that is taken very seriously. And a lot of coaches do not trust many people with their hands in the center's ass beside a quarterback. even when you think about it, a lot of like runs, direct runs to a running back are out of the shotgun. Because it's just easier to catch the ball for those guys than it is to have the quarterback center exchange. And I think it would be very difficult for a coach to sleep at night if they tried to run the tush push.

You know, Travis Kelsey's a guy who has ran the tush push, right, for the chiefs. Didn't he play quarterback? wasn't that his position before he moved to tight end? He was a quarterback. So he's done that before. It's pretty rare. You put David Montgomery under there. I don't think Dan Campbell and Johnny Morton

would feel great about what could go wrong. And how do you practice that? Well, it's like, you take the center away from Jared Gough. So it's, while it seems easy, you're like, he's just snapping it to their hands. I think when you talk about mid-game, it's sweat, sweaty. It's not what these guys are used to. I think that plays a pretty big role. Question for the bag. As a Niner fan, I understand everyone wanting to trade for a big name

DeLyman. I agree we need one. But I think we should wait until the trade deadline when the prices go down. What do you think? Pull the trigger now, Hendrickson, Chubb, Thibbido, or wait until the deadline? Yeah, I mean, I... We'll have to see what the record is. I mean, if you're like 7 and 1, you're 7 and 1. or, you know, eight and whatever. I think the deadline's week nine, so if you played eight games and you're six and two. But it's like you've won some crazy games with a bunch of backups,

you have a million injuries, you're transitioning away from some of these high-price guys, you're going to need draft picks. So I'd have a hard time like trading my pick 50 for Trey Hendrickson. I really, especially he's going to be a free agent. I just, are the 49ers of Super Bowl? team. If they were fully healthy and all their guys were

playing all the games for sure. But who knows when George Kittle can come back? Boas is out for the year. Purdy is going to be in and out of the lineup. They're depending on Mack Jones who's also injured. I saw the list of guys injured right now today missing practice. Or like Joanne Jennings, Ricky Pearsall.

I would not trade a high pick? Now, would I take a guy for like a fourth or fifth rounder? For sure. Can I get Kave on because he's making some money because remember they picked up his fifth year option so next year cave on is making like $15 million. Would I take him for a year and a half with like a fourth or fifth round pick? Yeah, I'd entertain that.

But a second day pick for one of these guys that's not going to be on my team next year, I need that draft capital. I mean, I'm just kind of re-changing my roster. Now that the Dolphin season is legitimately over, when does the sell-off begin? As a non-KC fan asking for. gambling purposes. Their move would seem obvious. Trade for A-chan. If in theory you agree that's possible, what would it cost to complete? Well, you have to understand, Coach Reed is much more likely to pass the ball than to run the ball. Like, I would imagine, while everyone's negative on their

two running backs, he, like, that's more than serviceable for him. If they're going to trade for a guy, they are much more likely to me after watching that team their night trade for a defense back or trade for like another defensive lineman. I think they would trade for defense before they would trade for a running back. So I think the way the other two guys are playing

and that kid from Smith, the kid from SMU, the rookie, who's their kick returner, I'd be a little shocked if they trade it for a running back. I would expect them you know, defense, DB, just someone on defense, playmakers on defense, if they are going to trade for somebody.

Good question, though. I do think he would have value, but, you know, the bills, they don't need them, Colts don't need them, lions don't need them, Packers don't need them, Eagles don't need them, Niners, you know, I mean, McAfric get hurt at any moment, but they're not kind of, I just don't think, harder to trade for a running back than you realize

in terms of, like, what his value is to their team and what teams would be willing to offer. Where did H can go to school? A&M. A&M's a program in the NFL that's sneaky has way more players than you realize. And obviously the way their program's going right now, they're going to have way more. It ain't slowing down. Today's show is brought to you by our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet.

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It's obviously time for yet another complete rebuild. but their head coach is over 70, I think he's 74, and they're paying their OC $6 million a year. I really don't understand it. We finally have adults in the room, Brady, SpyTech, Pete Carroll, Kelly, yet they use the sixth overall pick on a running back. Clearly they believe the offensive line toward the end of last year was strong enough to justify that selection,

but they've completely reshuffled it moving guys out of position. It's also worth noting that Carroll hired his own son to be both the O-line coach and the run game coordinator. I think you have to understand when you draft a player, right, a running back, any position, really high. It's not about the first month of their career. Honestly, it's not really about their rookie season. Think about some of the guys that were drafted high, like Bejohn Robinson or McCaffrey or Sequin Barclay. When you do make that move, you're expecting him to be a multi-contract guy for your team. So it might be bumpy early on. The NFL's hard.

But they drafted Sequin because they thought when they picked six, he was the best player on the board. I think it was really that simple. And, you know, if there had been a tackle they were taking, I think they would have taken him. If there had been a defensive lineman they were taking, I think they would have taken him. But they viewed relative to his class, he's the best player. I don't think they just went into it thinking like, we're running back away. Even though I kind of disagree with the pick, I do understand if he's the best player in your board, if you go with that philosophy, you're going to be better off more often than not.

I think it's more of an indication of how shitty this team is. They've been bad for a real long time. And I totally understand, like, if you're SpyTech, if you're Pete Carroll, giving Max Crosby an extension, right? Paying him a bunch of money, you want them on your team, great leader, high level guy, tone setter, team captain. But I think we all have to agree, he's kind of wasting away on this team. Like his value for all, like, can you imagine his value to like the bills or his value to the Colts or his value to the Lions?

Think about his value to, you know, Packers, I guess, traded for Micah, but like those type teams, Seattle, the 49ers. It's really, really high. And it gets complicated because in the NFL with signing bonuses, it's, I have to look at his contract. But having just paid him, I think they would be reluctant. but his value on the team, like, could he get him like a one and two-twos? Wouldn't that be better for them long-term than just keeping him around? But this is when you have an older coach who brings a lot of value

and is a Hall of Fame coach, like a legend who's still, unlike Bill, really into it, trying hard. I just don't think their teams that good. And they invested immediately in Colton Miller and Max Crosby. And that's type move you make when you're, you're trying to win right now. And I think they realize, well, we're not as close. The division's really hard.

And they're probably headed for like five wins. I think the Pete Carroll, the Chip Kelly thing was weird to me. Is Matt LaFleur holding Jordan Love back? Love, love, obviously, is all the skill in the world to be an elite player. And it's obvious that he has benefited from LaFleur's play calling. I also think that LaFleur turned him into a good quarterback. but seems to make Love hold back on his play calling because of his ability and arm talent

would transform him into an actual elite quarterback. I think LaFleur is simply relying on his play calling ability and is telling Love to play within the system which hinders his true potential. What do you think? I think that LeFlefleur showed when he got Aaron Rogers and by that second year he said, listen, if you listen to me and run the Shanahan offense

and we will morph your shotgun. Obviously, Aaron's comfortable in the shotgun. But play under center, some of those run game, let us be a little run first. It'll help everything out. And they kind of, Rogers capitulated, and they kind of met in the middle, and it really worked. I think at his core,

it's like he wants to run more of the Kyle offense, more of a run-heavy play action, and a huge part of that offense is not like McVeigh, more of a rebel. I've said forever, McVeigh is like the in-shaped younger version of Andy Reid. In a perfect game for McVey, he would throw it 50 times. Andy Reed would throw every play if he could and win that way.

So would Sean McVeigh. So would Kevin O'Connell. Like they like to pass. Nothing against it. Like that's just their style. Where Kyle and his dad would, like in a perfect game for them, their quarterback would have like 12 pass attempts. And they would win like 24 to 7.

And they would rush for like seven years. yards to carry on 40 attempts. You know, that's what, so every coach philosophically wants, you know, Mike Zimmer wants to blitz. Vic Fangio doesn't. So everyone's a little different. And I do believe that LaFleur believes in his scheme and his play calling. So I think they're, in fairness, like, what has love done beside a couple games late in

that first year starting for him to go, like, you just do whatever you want? With Rogers, like, you had to buy in when he says, like, listen, I'm going to run some plays out of shotgun. Not saying that those guys don't, but I'm just saying, like, that's the offense that he would run every single play. Shotgun, four wide. So I think it can be, it's just difficult. I look at LaFleur as a plus. But I'm with you, like Jordan does have the physical attributes to scramble around, big arm, make some plays. But I think he'd also say, do I trust your decision making when you do that?

I think there'd be some, he'd have a valid point. I'm a former Cleveland Brown fan. When the Watson deal went down and we shipped away Baker, I just couldn't do it anymore. Since then, I have begun to follow the Bucks very closely and truly feel a sense of connection to their team. And I love watching Baker Mayfield thrive. My question is this.

What precedent is there for picking up? up in changing allegiance in sports. It's not something I ever would have considered with my other teams, but this situation felt different. I don't blame you at all. I've said before that a couple years ago, we were getting questions from Patriot fans, and I said, no, you're not allowed to jump ship. You've had 20 years, nine Super Bowl appearances, one, six of them, went to like 15

AFC championship games, got to watch Tom Brady for two decades. So yeah, it's shitty, and Belichick lost his fastball. Matt Patricia's calling your offensive plays, you got to deal with it for a couple years. And look, now it's like you got Brable and Drake May. Like, oh, it's fun again. But if you're a Cleveland Browns fan, I'd say if you're a Raider fan,

there are certain teams that, like, I just can't take it anymore. And I would say different than the Raiders for you guys is the Baker thing, which looking back, it's like, why did we have to do this? And I don't blame anyone. Like, I'm not rooting for Deshawn Watson.

And I'm not a moral high horse guy. I don't care I don't root or don't root for people in sports I mean I do in politics or whatever because I disagree with them and then I just naturally hate him but when it comes to sports

like listen I'm sure I've rooted for some guys that you know aren't exactly high on the character list right but the Watson thing and then how bad he was and how rough it is to watch the team

I'm out and I've been saying this for a while like Stavansky Andrew Barry I get they're highly educated and their degrees are way more impressive than mine and probably many of yours. But it's like, do they have any fucking clue what they're doing? I mean, really. Like, it's just, I feel like the Browns are a mess.

Now, maybe it's the owner and it's not on those two guys who everyone I know that knows those guys really likes them. You know, I know a bunch of people that work with Andrew Barry and Philly, they rave about the guy. I met him once a long time ago when I was working in the league. I didn't, you know, Andrew Barry at the time, wasn't Andrew Barry. It was just like a road pro scout. We sat next to each other at a game. He was advancing. We were playing each of the teams playing the following week.

Seemed like an impressive guy from Harvard. Obviously, he's gone on to, you know, run a team. But if the owner's not forcing him to do some of this stuff, you know, the Shador mess, the fansky, it's just like, it's just a zoo. It really is. Then I saw today that Deshawn Watson is going to be cleared. sometime in the next month or two. Like, he is going to be cleared with games remaining on the schedule.

I'll tell you this, if they ever were to put them out there, and granted, I don't think those guys would, but they did. Like, I wouldn't blame any fan for just quitting. Be like, I can't do this anymore. Now, I don't think they will. I'm not sure what's going to happen. But it's just, it's not fun. I mean, part of this is, like, listen, part of watching sports,

if you have a team, you have your good times, and you got your bad times. and the overall, when it's all said and done, obviously if you're a Laker fan or a Patriot fan and you're of a certain age, like you've had a lot of good times, but you're also just going to have some really bad times. And it all kind of comes in perspective

and sometimes going through the ugly makes when you finally just turn the corner, even if you just make a wild card. You're like, that was sweet, right? When you're the Browns, it can't always be this bad. And then we had a guy, and I get the GMs kind of polarizing, who was like, I think this guy is like the next Brett Farrv.

That was John Dorsey's thing. John Dorsey was around the Packers in the 90s. That's how he knew Andy Reed. That's why Andy hired him to be the GM of the cheese. And it was like, I see Fav in this kid. And you look in 2025, like, I'm not saying like, Brett Farr's a better player in Baker Mayfield. But was he kind of right?

Like, I mean, Baker Mayfield has something kind of, I don't know, that it factor, kind of a special player. And now it's like, we had this guy? we had this guy. It's why I defended, like, Minnesota. It's like someone DM me yesterday. It's like, well, you know, they let Sam Darnold and, and Daniel Jones go.

I'm like, well, they picked up Daniel Jones off waivers. That's not the same. They had Sam Donald. And he threw 35 touchdowns for him. And they chose not to resign him. Like, that is a legitimate conversation. I don't hold Daniel Jones again. Just like I don't hold Baker Mayfield with the Rams.

Obviously, they got Stafford, but, you know, I think these situations just kind of get weird and they get weird fast. And if you're a Browns fan, it's just really, it's a rough, embarrassing stretch. It really is. And like all this time, you have one of the great pass rushers of all time.

Your defense now for several years has been really good. It's like, what's going on? And our coach is an offensive coach. My question with the Browns, and I don't follow them, you know, beside like Mary Kate on Twitter. Like, I'm not on the Browns message boards and stuff and listen to local radio.

Did Stafansky turn on Baker? Was Baker, you know, tough to handle for Stavansky? I need the real story there. Like, what happened with that? It wasn't just like Odell's dad posting the YouTube. Like, see, my son's open. It had to be more complicated than that. Like, what I want is like a wicker sham or Mary Kay,

one of those people that covers the team or is just locked into the league. I want to know what happened with that relationship. Like, why did they, was it the owner? I don't know. A Vikings fan here. The Darnold conversation is a valid one. I love winning games and the argument that we would be better off with Darnold going forward is true to an extent.

But John, did everyone forget how he looked in the last two most important high-profile games played last season? Full pumpkin mode. First the Lions for the one seed and versus the Rams in the playoff game, even though O'Connell didn't run the ball. Nobody is talking about this choke job he pulled off at the end of the season. We need to know if our high first round pick can be the guy. Listen, I've said this before.

I don't blame them for doing what they did, but we're allowed to have the conversation because you had to find out if JJ was going to be the guy. But part of the conversation isn't like, well, Sam Donald can't win the big game. Can JJ even get you there? Can JJ even play? Can JJ even function as a starting quarterback?

So it's like Sam's question is, hey, Week 18, 2-14 win teams for the number one seed. Granted on the road, can you win it? And the answer is no, and he played really shitty. Would you have been there with J.J. McCarthy? Well, last year he couldn't because he fucked up his knee, and this year he's hurt again. So it's like, I understand.

Part of the conversation, though, I would say, if J.J. had just been the backup and been healthy all season long and just Ben Sam's backup, and been there, be like, okay, we've seen this with other guys, not that crazy. The Chiefs literally did the same thing. They did not know. But this guy had been hurt all season long and needed a second knee surgery,

and now he's hurt again. So there's just a lot of variables. I'm with you, it's not black and white, and it's not as simple as some of these, the way people talk about it, and the conversation typically goes. It's not that simple. but it's also did we overcomplicate this a little bit. A fairly strong NFL fan.

Know a decent amount about football, but I don't pretend to have a coach coordinator X's nose knowledge. With that being said, why the hell on punt returns does the player not catch the ball, yet decide to stand literally one foot from it as it's bouncing and rolling around while their coverage, while they're five coverage players standing right next to them.

if you're not going to catch it, run away from the ball. If it takes a funny bounce or rolls a certain way and hit your foot, it's a fumble that you are not going to get. To me, that's common sense. Well, I think a lot of the fake fair catch is, well, I guess in your example, like if I'm fake fair catching it and then I run away and so they get around me and the ball is like four yards behind me and bouncing to the end zone.

But I'm with you. I think sometimes I'll defend these guys on the simple fact that standing there as a punt returner while several guys that run four fours are be lining it at you I do think sometimes you brain fart

and I'm with you if it touches you you're going to be at a huge disadvantage they are running at the ball and you're usually at a stand still right so I think some of these guys they also don't know the decision until last second

They're kind of seeing, should I fair catch it? Should I not? Should I let it bounce in the end zone? Think how often, I mean, we see this every week. Guys are catching the ball at like the five-yard line. Like, what are you doing? How do you not just have like an immediate within the 10, let it bounce? Anything outside of the 10 or 12.

And I think a lot of these coaches will say we do. These guys just, they don't listen or they forget. And there's a lot going on. Think of the guys typically being the punt return or two. It's a backup. It's not a guy playing. So that's like his only play. And he's really amped up.

And then maybe he just short circuits. I don't know. But that play, I just, I'm with you. It just happens a lot. I think it happens enough to know that clearly it's really difficult. I've never caught a punt in the NFL or in college. Hell, I remember when I was at Fresno State, even a little. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers.

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For the Bucks this year, the final few minutes of games have been pretty wild, and I'm sure Bucks fans, and I'm sure for Bucks fans, it's great to know they have a team that can perform in such great stress. However, if they continue winning the games like they have, does there eventually come a point where we need to start asking questions like, why is it that they need to keep putting together last second drives to win a game? when even against not great teams or why haven't they been able

to really handle any of these teams they've played? Listen, you have years, the Chiefs made the Super Bowl last year where they were in all these type games. And sometimes remember, the Kirk Cousins was Kevin O'Connell's first year when they won 12 or 13 games. They were like 10 and 1 in these tight games.

Every game kind of looked like that. And they lost in the first round against the Giants. So, you know, I think a pretty bit, there are a lot of indicators, you know, to determine how good you are, right? Like, scoring defense, yards per play. I do think one that's pretty basic is like your point differential. And if we look at point differentials, like the Eagles is 16. The Colts is 74, right?

The Chargers is zero. The Broncos is 33. The Lions is 62 If I go to the bucks, there's is three You know, the Niners is eight Niners are pulling games out of their ass So it's like, are the Niners really good? Yeah, they're just winning some close games

Now it's also football, like a close game Can turn into a loss with a bad bounce With a guy stepping out of bounds. So, yeah, when you blow people out, like, You know, the Chiefs in their heyday Or the Ravens a couple years ago, It looks better. But it doesn't guarantee

to you anything in the playoffs either way. Do you think that Kyler and the Cardinals would benefit from a divorce? Seems like the relationship has run its course. I actually, did I delete it? I had a screenshot of a Kyler stat from the other day that was like, I think his divisional record in the NFC West is the lowest of any guy in the history of a quarterback

that got a second contract. his winning percentage is like under 30%. And I think the thing that makes Kyler so maddening, it's kind of like a version of Tua, that you just keep asking yourself, well, how do we upgrade? How do we upgrade?

And I think it gets back to like, you know, you were making the playoffs a couple years with Tua, and it was clear when he was out, the drop off that would happen. I just think his style, whether we like it or not, like it's very basic, right?

Under center, in the pocket, get them quick throws, it'll be like a way lesser version of Jared Gough. Kyler's style is hard to play with. It's kind of a run-around backyard football thing. And when it's on, it looks awesome. But when it's off, it can look really, really shitty. And my overall take is like,

I'm kind of out on guys that are really short. You know, anyone that doesn't sniff six feet. Like, I think it's really, really hard to play in the NFL. And Kyler will go down as one of like the great athletes of all time. He's drafted, what, ninth by the A's and Billy Bean, number one pick in the NFL. Like, that's just, that's unheard of stuff. Now, would he have been a big league baseball player? I don't know, but he's definitely just an all-time great athlete. But is he a good quarterback? Like, relative to the NFL. Is he a good

quarterback? I think if we just talk to 10 defensive coordinators, like every dude in the NFC West and then a bunch of guys that have played him in the last couple years, I think answers would be all over the map. and I will actually wonder if defensive coordinators would have more respect for him than offensive coordinators. Because defensive coordinator are like, I don't know what's going to happen play to play. So maybe that's a, maybe if I talk to offensive coordinators, what they, and I would imagine to be pretty negative.

Defensive coordinators actually might like him more because he's a pain. But when you say divorce, like, what does that mean? Who do they replace him with? This is the two a thing. Like, who's coming out of college that you feel good? good about. And then what do you do with him? What's his trade value? Who would trade a second round pick for him? Would that be his value? Third round pick? I don't think you're getting as much as you think. Okay, it's like we can trade him for two third round picks. It's like, okay,

what do we do? Who plays quarterback for us? Question for the pod. Why is that Mark Davis gets so much hate? I understand they have it had a lot of success. since he took over. But generally, I think he does stuff right. From what I can tell, he's not a meddling owner. He hires guys and lets them do the job. He wants stability. He gave Gruden 10 years and the NFL didn't go after him.

Who knows where they'd be. His biggest mistake was hiring McDaniels, who let car go, and now we're in quarterback hell. I'd argue not even interviewing Jim Harbaugh and just hiring Pierce was bad too, but I don't think he would have taken it anyway. What's your take? I just think any time that you

Shepard a team that just consistently sucks and you're the owner like you're the only consistent thing Pete Carroll, John Gruden, Jack Doe Rio, Derek Carr, Gino Smith,

Khalil Mack, you know, it's just different Max Crosby. It's just since Mark Davis has owned the team, they have been really, really bad

and very dysfunctional. I do agree. He tries. And I also agree he aggressively tries financially. Gabe Gruden at the time was unprecedented, $100 million, 10-year contract. Like that was, he had to do what he had to do to get him to sign up. You know, John Gruden's like, I really wanted to be the Raiders coach.

Did you really want to be the Raider coach? Or did he give you $100 million? Because if you really wanted it, you would have gladly done it five years, 50 million. Right? But you kind of use the bucks, you played him, which was business 101 leverage. But like, you really want to do it because he gave me $100 million. but, you know, then he actively went after Tom Brady and tried to get him involved. So I'm in agreement that, you know, Mark has not been cheap like some of these other owners,

even though up until Vegas lacked the funds that a lot of guys had. But I do think he is just the only thing that's consistently around since, you know, 2011-12. And the outcomes tend to be the same. So is it like, is he directly at fault? Of course not. Right. Josh McDaniels chose to trade for Devante Adams and benched Derek Carr and, you know, did he hire Antonio Pierce? I'll defend him on that. It's like Max Crosby and Devante Adams basically said like, you got to do it or we want out. Like I probably would have done it too. I don't think that one was as crazy. obviously Gruden, he didn't control any of that.

The league didn't. Gruden's going to sue them for a lot of money and it looks like he's going to win. And to me, going after Brady, like, I give you credit on that one. Like, he had to give up part of, you know, his percentage to let Brady buy in to try to make the Raiders better. But I don't know. I mean, when you just lose all the time, who you're supposed to blame? Like, Pete Carroll's a winner. Pete Carroll's a winner.

and it looks like he's going to win like four games this year. I was listed in the herd on Tuesday, and it was completely flabbergasted by Collins' take on the Chief's Jags game. Disclamer. I'm not a fan of either team. But in my opinion, he basically gave the Chief's credit for losing and discredited the Jags on what I thought was a tough statement victory.

He gave Mahomes the excuse that he just didn't see Devin Lloyd on the pick six and saying that the level of good play from the Jags just isn't sustainable and that the Chiefs are coming. I've been listening to Colin for a long time now, and I have to say this was one of the more wild ones I've heard from. I didn't hear that one. I'll say this.

I don't think the Jags are going to sustain this if Trevor Lawrence is going to be this hit or miss. If he plays like he played, I think they lose most of those games. So, and part of the, I don't want to say luck, but, I mean, that play at the end of the game was, kind of freaky lucky. I'm bullish on the Chiefs as well, though they're a 9-10 win team this year probably. And listen, every once in a while you get a 10-and-7 year.

But I don't think the Jags are smoking mirrors in the sense that their defense is really good. And I agree, Patrick Mahomes got greedy on the past. Like, it was a bad pass. You can't throw a red zone. You can't throw a pick where the guy's standing in the end zone. That's embarrassing for any player, let alone an all-time great player. He'd be the first to tell you that. It cannot happen. You cannot turn the ball over

right there. You can't throw a pick six. I mean, a pick six is devastating, especially a red zone pick six, which is a 10 plus point swing. I do believe the chiefs look pretty good, though. Defensively, some question marks, but offensively, they're going to play like this. They're going to win a lot of games. The Jags are clearly better. There's no disputing that. But I just don't trust Trevor Lawrence. So I don't know all what he said, but I would agree the Jags is sustainable. I mean, when they're quarterback, he misses a lot of plays, man. He really does. Part of this business, though, you've got to throw some curveballs. You can't just come on and be like, Jags are winning the Super Bowl. This seems like another year where the Bill's team is simply not good

enough. Alan is undeniable, and unlike Lamar, he actually plays really well in the postseason. but year after year, I feel like he has the inferior roster and it costs them every time against the Chiefs. Do you think the Bill's roster has been an issue or am I wrong? They've been injured too. I mean, last year, the roster they were ruling in the playoffs was pretty banged up. You know, I think offensively they're probably

they're stronger as like the sum of their parts than they are as an individual basis. You know, like no one would compare Khalil Shakir to, you know, Jamar Chase or Devante Adams or Puganakua or some of these guys, but he's really good for them. And Cook's really good. Dawkins is a stud, tight ends are good, and then they kind of mismatch it with the rest of the wide receivers.

But to me, it always comes down, like, is their defense good enough? In pass rush, they got some players up front. When it all over comes back, their defensive line's good. But their back seven can just be hit or miss in some of these games. So a lot of its health, I think they should be heavily involved in, like, a defensive playmaker if they can add. whether it's another defensive lineman, whether it's a linebacker or DB, they should be all over defense.

What does a team like Wisconsin do? They hired Fickle. That seemed like a home run. And he got the Cincinnati team to the final four, and now he can't even win four games. Is it just not enough money or is it coaching? I'd be lying if I watched a lot of Wisconsin at this point. I mean, they really stink.

We were talking about this. We have a little show meeting on Wednesday mornings, just to kind of go over. some logistics of different stuff for the podcast. And we were talking about Michigan State because they play UCLA this week. And like, there are only so many players to go around. So as your conference booms, right, Ohio State's always going to be good. But then we ebb and flow with some of the other programs.

There have been years, like when Cousins was there, that Michigan State had an incredible run for like four or five years was, went to the Rose Bowl, I think, one year. they were really, really good. You know, Iowa's had years. They've been to the Rose Bowl. Well, now you add Oregon, you add Washington and USC, that you're all kind of recruiting the same players.

And the world is so flat now, well, the top guys, the SEC, the ACC, the Big 12, that not all these teams can be good. So like when Nebraska was unreal in the 90s, like Oregon wasn't that great. You know, USC wasn't that good. Utah was, irrelevant for them, right? They were like a Mountain West school, a whack school.

So I just think things ebb and flow. I can't speak to financially where they're at, but clearly they want to be good at football. It's a lot like Nebraska. I just wonder if in 2025, it's not possible to be like what you once were. So can they be better? For sure. I thought Luke Fickle was pretty good as well as Cincinnati. Sometimes though you have built in advantages pre-NIL at schools like Cincinnati. I would say that maybe I'm just reacting to the Twitter picture, but like, why not hire Mike McCarthy? He was at the game earlier this year with the AD.

Mike, can you do better than that? See if he can infuse some life. He's clearly a really good offensive coach. I think if you were a quarterback, why would you not want to go play for Mike McCarthy? Unlike Belichick, you know, I see him on McAfee. He seems like a happy guy. He seems like a positive guy. It seems like he's got a lot of good perspective.

He's made a ton of money, so it's not like he got to pay him $10 million a year. You can pay him like $5 or $6 probably. Seven, who knows? Feels like he knows a bunch of people, could hire some coaches. Hi. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news.

What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there.

But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad. Hey Jonas and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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I didn't want to manifest that. I was trying to manifest success. Every family has its secrets. But what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double-life? life. That is not the look of an innocent man. This is going to change my life and my family dynamic forever because everything that had existed prior in my reality is now untrue.

Listen to Deep Cover the Family Man on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. To me, that makes a lot of sense. Like, who else are you going to hire? Because like you said, fickle made a bunch sense. Midwest guy. Played at Ohio State. Resurrection. Cincinnati was good before he got there, but

kicked ass to Cincinnati. A lot of times that's the path, right? How did Washington find Chris Peterson? Dominated at Boise State. How'd Florida find Urban Meyer? Dominated at Utah. Usually, I mean, that's how you hit home runs. Where did LSU find Nick Saban? Well, he's at Michigan State.

Sometimes it doesn't work. How would you feel about college football adding a transfer fee to compensate the smaller schools, any school, to help them recover faster with new talent. Well, if I'm the big schools and I run the sport, why would I ever sign up to pay smaller schools to get their talent? Why do I care about them? And the answer is I don't.

And that sounds terrible. And listen, I'm a Fresno State guy. But if I'm Oregon, why do I care if Fresno State's mad that I took their player? Why do I care if they are losing out on revenue because their team sucks? That's their problem. So I think the problem is the revenue generating teams that run the sport, the power four teams,

and really it's like 20 teams in college football, right? You just go west to east. You know, Oregon, USC, Ohio State, Texas, now Texas A&M, Bama, Georgia, LSU, Michigan, Florida State, Miami, in theory, Clemson. you know, it's a group of like 12, 13 schools. They don't give a shit about the smaller schools. So if I'm Texas and I can get Action Gentie from Boise State, why do I need to compensate them?

We're not in the same, like, this is the problem with college football. We're not like all under one umbrella. So if I'm in the Big Ten or the SEC, why do I care about the Mountain West? If I'm Oregon and I take Washington State's best player, like that's Washington State and the Pact 12 Mountain West problem. Not mine. So I think that's what makes that situation difficult.

Wondering your thoughts on Sanchez and potential impacts of C.T.E. I got a hard time with that one. I don't know enough about like, you know, how many times he was hit, how many concussions the guy had. I looked, once I saw this question, you know, he was sacked a fair amount of times in his career. The thing that doesn't add up with Sanchez. It's like why I'm interested to see the toxicology report.

It's like even if you get blacked out drunk, and I'm not proud to say it, had a few of mine times, way too many, actually. If you're not a violent, crazy person, like, you're not going to find yourself in that situation. What I can't get over, is if you're downtown, having some sea tails,

hanging out with the Fox crew, and you get a cab or an Uber ride back to the hotel, the Weston Hotel or the Marriott, wherever you're saying. I've stayed in them all. You get dropped out in front of the lobby. So usually the loading dock is on the side. So for him to make it over for the loading dock from the lobby, unless he was leaving a hotel,

it just, it's why I think he's got to be on drugs. Or it's going to come out like he's had crazy situations before that we just haven't heard about. I have a hard time believing this is just a one-off situation. It was just because alcohol. CTE, like, then why wouldn't, I'm sure he's had other instances where he's out drinking, and why wouldn't he have had instances before?

It's hard for me to get a guy that's never had an issue, his entire life, at least that we know about, like he's never been arrested or whatever, and all of a sudden he gets into a knife fight with a guy and just attacks a seven-year-old. It's one of the more bizarre stories of all time. and it's almost for his sake it'd be better if it's like yeah CTE lost his mind

didn't feel that way it's why I think the best case scenario for him is like you know someone drugged him and he wasn't even in the right state if it was like he was just drunk and he attacked this old guy like I feel a little sympathy for anything that happens

to like if this old guy and his lawyers come after every single penny that Mark's ever made and makes Mark's children beg for that guy to give him money. You know, it's just like that. It's just a, it's one of the crazier stories that I ever remember. No, I'm like on the field type story. That involves the NFL because he's obviously in Indianapolis to call this game.

But it almost feels too crazy. Like there's something missing, but so far there hasn't been. It's just that he just attacked this guy because he thought he shouldn't park there. And he asked the hotel manager. It's like, what the fuck are you talking about? Was this guy, did he get roofied? I thought, I've never been roofied, but I thought, doesn't that make you go to sleep? Did he do some bad drugs?

Not a drug guy, so, but even if you're doing, like, cocaine, are you just attacking a random driver in the dock? I don't know. It's just, it's a bizarre crazy story. And I hate just, oh, it could be CT. I don't know. I have a hard time with that one. So all of a sudden, his brain stopped working, and he's attacked this guy. but he's never done this before in his entire life.

No signs. Who knows? Maybe there have been signs. So maybe... Who knows? Maybe I'm wrong. I don't even think I'm right or wrong. I don't even have an opinion.

I have no clue. I think the whole situation is beyond sad. I mean, that visual of the dude, which looks like he got... Were they battling with the knife? Was it like a box cutter? Cut his mouth went in... You know, the knife went through his chest.

cheek. He's going to sue for a lot of cash. I mean, Fox is going to have to pay a lot of money for this, too. They're involved because Mark Sarin has died. Last question. I'm sure you get 100 of these DMs. Impossible to remember them all. But I hope you played Mateer Heisman 35 to 1

and Baker MVP 40 to 1 back in the summer. I remember shooting you a mailback question and your thoughts. to me, Meteer, I have a hard time seeing him win the Heisman if he misses like a month. I could be wrong, I don't remember many Heisman trophy winners missing a lot of time. So I know there were some rumors that he was going to try to play this week,

but if he can't play this week, let's see he's out another game after this, which is very possibly he had surgery on his hand. Now, if he comes back this week and technically only misses one game, lights them up and they keep winning 100%. Baker to me, I only saw it 25 to 1 preseason. So maybe was 40 to 1 way back in the spring. I never do a future bet that early.

So I wouldn't have touched it. But I would say that if you did pick those, I'd feel better about Baker than John Mateer. But who are your other Heisman Trophy? Who's even in the mix right now? Moore. Slaying? Ty Simpson.

Not like a, it's not exactly Cam Newton and Johnny Mansell right now. Appreciate all the DMs. Keep sliding in at John Middlecoff. Fire in those DMs. And I will talk soon. Peace. The volume. Hey guys, it's us.

The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other podcasts. people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. The story I told myself can then shape my

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