The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 & Out - Who is on the trading block, where will Shedeur Sanders land, Go Low

Episode Date: April 16, 2025

John dives into how teams approach the NFL Draft from a trading perspective and how the way the draft plays out, plays a major role into teams starting to trade for players. Next, John discusses the latest with Derek Carr and the very odd situation surrounding his "injury".  Next, he talks about the upcoming draft and where he thinks Shedeur Sanders could get drafted and what might happen if he slips. Lastly, John talks some golf with a 3&Out-Go Low combo podcast and also answers your questions during this episode's Go Low mailbag segment. 5:38 - Who could be on the trading block 12:11 - What's the deal with Carr 15:40 - Draft talk 21:43 - Where will Shedeur go 29:17 - Go Low 41:19 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Volume. What is going on, everybody, John Middletoff, three and out podcast. How are we doing? Hopefully everyone is doing great. And today, we're going to split up the podcast. We're going to start with some football because the draft's right around the corner, some guys that are clearly on the trading block, some GMs admitted as much, and other stories coming out about a quarterback that is essentially trying to force his way out of town.

And then some other draft talk about something the Rams do that the new Jags GM will also implement in Jacksonville that I find pretty fascinating when it comes to draft time, the lead up to the draft. at least, how they approach player visits and player workouts. And Sanders, Shador, that is, not Dion or Shiloh. We'll be working out for the Giants and clearly trying to impress and hopefully get drafted number three overall here and next. I don't know if it's today or tomorrow, but that workout is going on. So we'll talk some football.

And then we're going to talk, I'm just going to do a little go-low podcast, and we'll just combine the two. but football for the first 20, 25 minutes. And I did want to talk a little bit more about Rory, winning the master's. Some bets for this weekend, the RBC Heritage. And I'm going to answer a bunch of your questions. So no football mailbag today.

We will save that for Thursday show, which we're having Jake Dickert, who is now the coach at Wake Forest, but coached Washington State forever. So coached Cam Ward for a couple years. He also coached against Chador Sanders. he'll be on tomorrow and I'll do a big mailbag with that as well but today we're going to do a bunch of golf stuff the go lo mail bag is at golo pod at golo pod is the golf mailbag fire in those dms get your question answered here on the show and that's what I did I'm going to answer a bunch of your show so we split up the podcast today a little something for everybody ideally if you like golf and football it's perfect for you but if you listen on collins feed make sure you subscribe to three now podcast if you like youtube Most people I know do subscribe to our page.

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Last-minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed. One thing that happens during this time is you have players on your roster that you clearly would have traded around the combine and around free agency, but you weren't able to get anything done. Because a lot of these teams, hope to fill those needs with the position that you're willing to trade,

if it's not some super prominent guy that everyone's interested in, during the draft. And then what happens during the draft is, let's say you need a tight end and you're drafting in the low 20s. And you have two guys that you would have no problem taking. And obviously, if you draft a guy at pick 20 or pick 18 or 22, you expect that guy to become your starting tight end. and at worst play a lot as a rookie.

Well, if the draft comes and goes on Thursday night and both those guys are gone before you pick and you don't have anyone else at that position graded higher than like in the third round, you are much more interested in trading for guys like Dallas Goddard and Mark Andrews. Now, we've known for a while Dallas Goddard is on the trade block and I fully expect him to be traded

either Thursday, Friday, or Saturday during the NFL draft. The day we learned when the Ravens GM was Eric Dacosta was being asked about Mark Andrews. And it's one of those like, do you expect Mark Andrews to be on the team, trade? It's an easy answer when some guy goes, we're not trading this player. He's going to be on our team this year. Nothing else anyone can say. But when you go with the, you know, he's a warrior. He's been one of the great players.

Like, no, you're just beating around the bush. This guy is now on the trading block. And Mark Andrews, I had to immediately look it up. And I think the initial hot take reaction would be, well, it's because he dropped balls. It has nothing to do with that. Players, Jerry Rice drops some balls. Terrell Owens had questionable hands. Like, players drop balls.

Shitty time to do that, but that is not the reason they've soured on the player. The reason they've soured on this player is financially. He's going to be a free agent after 2025. They have to pay him $11 million cash. And I think it's safe to say if you look at the Ravens history, they're probably not going to give him a third contract. So right now, when he still has value, couldn't they trade him to a team that misses out on one of the top

tight ends in this draft and potentially get like a third round pick? And instead of having to wait for the comp picks for another year and just play it out, they can pivot right now. And who knows? Maybe use one of their high picks on a tight end. But whenever you are asked about the status of a player and you can't directly say, yeah, that is not happening, you're open to it. Hell, we saw it for a month and a half with John Lynch and the 49ers with Brandon Iuke.

It's like, you just gave this guy a contract. It's like, yeah, we really like them, but listen, you never say never. No, you never say never two players that you know are going to be on your team. It's one thing to be like, if I ask Andy Reid, like, is Chris Jones going to be on your team in 2025? You'd like, listen, Chris's done a lot of good things. We really like them, but you could never, no, he would never say that. He said, yes, of course. Chris Jones is going to be on the roster, 2025. And when asked about Mark Andrews, can't say that.

Now, Howie isn't even hiding it. He said that the draft plans will have no impact on Dallas Goddard situation. But I think it's fair to say that the plan is, it doesn't mean that it will happen. Things are fluid. Takes two to tango. While you can dance by yourself, ideally you need a partner. And I think in any trade situation, you can. can want to trade Dallas Goddard, you can want to trade Mark Andrews. You need someone to trade for them,

but the Ravens and the Eagles are ready to trade their tight ends. And I think you look at a team like the Denver Broncos, I know they signed a tight end, but they could use multiple. You look at the Los Angeles Chargers when it comes to a tight end situation. Where's their general manager from the Ravens? Would they be interested? Would the Ravens trade them within the conference? I don't know. But there are going to be landing spots depending on if. the teams that are interested don't land said player in the draft. The Miami Dolphins general manager admitted today that Jalen Ramsey has not asked for a trade that it is the Dolphins.

And I go back to the end of the year when the dolphins missed the playoffs and Mike McDaniel and in fairness Shane Steichen did too, said that players were constantly showing up late and that fines when guys are super rich have little impact. No shit. It's like Adam Silver. He's like John Morant Walt, listen to me. Here's $75,000. Chaw's like, I have a $200 million contract.

I don't even notice that. And when it comes to finding a guy that makes $20, $25, $30 million a year, a couple grand, they don't care. If they don't respect you, that money is going to be very meaningless to them. And I remember thinking those two coaches, like, if you're a practice squad guy or a fringe, you know, fifth, sixth, seventh round guy from previous years that's, you know, a borderline starter or a guy fighting for your career, under no circumstances are you going to consistently show up late? The only guy who's going to consistently show up late is a super rich player that knows he's kind of on scholarship.

So when I see the Miami Dolphins come out and say like, yeah, Jalen, plan on getting rid of the guy. Pretty clear going back to Mike McDaniel in his comments that Jalen was showing up late. It's not hard to put the pieces of the puzzle together. And if you think about last year when they got rid of Fangio, randomly or let him out of his contract and that thing kind of uh you know fell apart i don't want to say out of nowhere but what was kind of a bizarre situation there were some weird comments about

fan joe being too mean and fan joe not really liking it there like i think it's safe to say that the jalen ramsie miami dolphins experiment has been a little bumpy and clearly the dolphins won out of that business the problem is if i can figure this out you better freaking believe that people around the NFL know that too. It's like, wait, you want me to trade for a guy who missed the pro ball for the first time since his rookie year, who makes a ton of money. And clearly, I don't want to call a malcontent, but someone that hasn't been a great business partner for you, especially this last year. I think he's got little to no value. So I wonder if Miami Dolphins end up trading him. The other story that did not see coming is the Derek Carr,

New Orleans Saint situation. There was a story last week about He needs shoulder surgery and might miss the year. Came out of nowhere in the middle of April. I think a lot of people are scratching their heads. You're like, is this, is this real? Well, it is Rapsheet, who obviously is a very reputable reporter, and I don't think just makes things up. But pretty clear that over time, and a lot of people,

the Big Jays that have been reporting on this, it has come from the Derek Carcam. And they're using this to try to get the Saints to either trade them or cut them. And I started thinking, like, If I'm a Saints fan, or hell, if I'm Mickey Loomis, I think the Derek Carr experience has been really underwhelming. I don't think on the totality of it, he's played that well.

He's at individual good games, but overall, I think they expected more. They expected him to be a better player. And then I started thinking, if I'm Derek Carr, I go, well, I came to this chaotic organization. I think I did the math in his two years starting there. Now, he's missed some games with injury, so he hasn't played, you know, 34 games. But he has 40 touchdowns. I would have guessed, like, what are his stats in the two years as the Saints' starting quarterback? I would have guessed, I don't know, 30 touchdowns and 22 interceptions.

He has easily a 2 to 1 ratio, 40 touchdowns, 13 picks. And I bet in his mind, he goes, I'm still a good player. It's not me, which I don't totally agree with. but by all accounts is like Kellyn Moore and the Saints aren't that into Derrickar. Somehow they, I'm not quite sure how this works, but they restructured his contract

without his blessing, which is a little weird. You know, there are reports that he doesn't want a Kirk Cousin situation where he's just the placeholder while they draft, let's say, Shador Sanders in the first round or Jackson Dart or whoever.

Now, my ultimate take and the same thing with cousins, I feel little to no sympathy when you take all the money. And when you take all the money, you don't get to then just dictate all the terms when you're not Mahomes, Josh Allen, LeBron James, Steph Curry. Like, I'm sorry,

no one's going to cry foul for Kirk Cousins for Derek Carr. But this situation is getting messy. And I think if you are the Saints and you end up drafting a quarterback with your top 10 pick, I do think it would be, beneficial to either find a trade partner or just get rid of this guy.

Because you don't want, not that Derek's a bad guy at all, and I would say the same thing with Kirk Cousins, you don't want to put your young quarterback in just a bizarre, weird situation. It is easy to just pivot. And that's what I would expect to happen. Now, I don't think he would have much of a trade market in the sense of they're not getting some high pickback for him. But when you look at Mark Andrews, when you look at Dallas Goddard, You look at Jalen Ramsey, when you look at Derrick Carr, the two tight ends have value.

I mean, the two tight ends are getting traded for, I would say probably like a third round pick. To me, Jalen Ramsey, a lot of teams are like, yeah, we're not messing with that. The car thing is going to be interesting. Obviously, we have to see how Rogers plays out. There are still some teams that are quarterback less. Would the Steelers be interested in that if they realize that Aaron's not going to come? I don't know. But, yeah, I think it's safe to say that's a fair.

experiment, the Derek Carr signing. Let's go into some draft talk, and I found this fascinating. I'm sure I knew this, but reading this pro football talk, I almost said article, blog, whatever you consider it to be, about the Rams former assistant GM and James Gladstone, the new Jags GM, is that the Rams do not bring in players for their visit. And I saw someone Benjamin Albright, who lives in Denver

and covers the NFL and covers the Broncos as a radio show on the Bronco station said that he's heard of teams using 30 visits in all sorts of different ways. Some of them don't use,

utilize them all. Some teams bring in teammates of guys they're interested in to not only throw people off the scent, but also just gain extra information. And then some teams utilize it as a complete

smoke screen, bring in guys they're not interested in. So the visits, I find that they have some value, having the coach, and just spending more time around a human being, because ultimately you're drafting the human being, right? So the more and more time you spend around them, in my opinion, the more beneficial. Now, the Gladstone Rams view on it is it creates bias. because if you have a good interaction with a guy for a couple hours around lunch, it might pivot your former belief

is like, I didn't really love this player, but now I really like the guy. And I've learned this when I was scouting, and I tried to carry this in through all walks of life, that you have to be very careful about information you hear secondhand because it can really skew the way you view someone. Right?

How often have you been told, yeah, I know, I know that dude, whether it's professionally, personally, through someone you've got to do business with or a guy that you're eventually going to go to dinner with through your wife or your girlfriend or whoever. Scumbag, loser, hate him, can't, I can't trust him. Maybe that would be extreme, but just negative things about the guy. Or vice versa. Really positive things about an individual. Then you meet the guy, you spend time with them, and you have the opposite.

it interaction, positively or negatively. Then that shapes the way you view something. And this happens a lot. You hear something negative about a guy. Especially it happens all the time. I know a lot of you listening that are in countless different industries. Have people in your industries in the city, town, area you live in. I don't like doing business with this guy.

Can't trust this guy. He has a bad reputation. Yet someone meets that same industry. individual and goes, God, I really like them. I had a bunch of cocktails with them. Seemed pretty cool. We got along pretty well. And I think that's one thing that Gladstone talked about is they try to remove that because they go, listen, we're secure in our scouting staff that over the last six, eight, two years of being around scouting this individual, getting to know them, the person, the player. We created a profile on them.

We didn't spend all this money to travel around and gather all this information to then change it dramatically over interaction, which let's face it, can happen. Because there's one thing to scout a guy on the outside. Talk to his coaches, talk to his counselors, talk to his high school coaches, talk to his teammates, talk to everyone that you would need to do to feel good about the guy. And then scout the player, good enough, bad enough in the middle, has some upside, has some down. downside whatever and go, I feel really good about this. Now, me personally, if I was going to give someone, I don't know, millions of dollars, I would like to meet them first, but you could convince me that maybe they're on to something. And the one thing the Rams would say is, we've drafted pretty well. We kind of know what we're doing.

And this strategy has worked for us. Now, what I think is different about going to a new team is these scouts aren't yours. so the people giving you the information you don't know how good or bad they are. So there is a lot of trusting individuals who aren't your people. You didn't hire these guys. It doesn't mean they're not good at their job

and it doesn't mean that you won't continue to employ them. But you're taking a pretty big leap of faith. The one thing with less need, when the Rams are doing it and Sean McFay, they've all kind of been together a while, right? They kind of have a structure in place with some consistency of human beings. And whenever you go to a new place

and I totally understand, I would take what I learned that worked at a successful place with me as well. But that first couple months of making that transition, and listen, Glad Sony's got great hair. And one thing, and I made this mistake a long time ago

when I'm like, Sean McVeigh's not going to work. And my take was simply, like, I'm basically Sean McVe's age. And being a head coach at 30 years old in the NFL felt impossible. I'm like, I don't think it's, I don't think it's possible. And he proved me wrong. So I feel like I'm going the other way.

I'm rooting for this young guy. It feels really dynamic. I hope it goes well. But this situation is going to be fascinating. I mean, part of the reason stuff works with the Jacks, and I would say any team is coaching, right? Obviously, you need the good people. Culture is created by those individuals.

But a huge reason the Rams won with Jared Gough, now with Stafford, have had good defenses. They got good coaches. They have a great head coach. So this guy could be one of the up-and-coming geniuses in the league. If Liam Cohen is below average as a head coach, none of it matters. Period, point blank, end of story. And last but not least, Shador Sanders, who's, let's face it,

going to be the most polarizing guy in this draft. And if he's not drafted in the top 10, It'll just be Shador Sandrus content, slip and falling, quote DMX and I can't get up. But just plummeting down the draft, like it'll be, I think it'll be one of the bigger stories on draft night in a long time. The way the network's forcing on to us, which I think some teams would say, yeah, don't view him as a high prospect. Listen, I like the guy. Do I have any confidence that he's going to go high? I don't.

Do I think he's going to fall? I guess I would bet on that. I don't even think he's a lock to be the second quarterback. back off the board. Not that I even agree with that, but let's face it, like, anytime you have this many prospects in a draft that are viewed as pretty interchangeable, anything's possible. There are going to be guys drafted in this top 10 that you go, who did they just draft? Because usually the casual fan, besides super famous college players, kind of learn about these guys in mock drafts. And then through mock drafts or through the television shows, you go,

oh, they've been talking about this guy's like a late first round pick, a second round pick. Then all of a sudden he gets drafted eight. You're like, what just happened? Get ready for that. Buckle up. And the same thing with these quarterbacks. Like if one of these other quarterbacks gets drafted above Shador Sanders, I can see that coming. Is it going to happen?

I don't know. But it's definitely possibility. So he is going to work out a private workout, which again, the Rams and Gladstone now with the Jags do not do. They don't do any of these private workouts, which I'm sorry. I value my private workouts. I do like my position coaches that I trust. If I got Jeff Stoutland,

I like Jeff Stoutland to work out these offensive linemen and say, I like this guy, I don't like this guy, I can work with this guy. Now, I don't want any position coach just going to work him out. But if Duce Staley's my running back coach,

he can work out as many running backs as he wants, because I feel comfortable with his ability to do to translate who's going to be a good and bad player. Now, not every coach knows what the fuck they're talking about. So I'm not sending out everybody.

So I would pick and choose the position coaches that I trust as a GM and as a head coach. But every staff is going to have some of them and the good ones are going to have more than others. But this workout is pretty important for Shador Sanders because if it does go well, two things. One, maybe he could convince them, let's just take this guy at three. Or like, hey, listen, if this guy starts slipping a little bit and he's there in, I would say the mid-teens, would we trade back up? into the first round and give a following year's first round pick to move up and get Shador Sanders. Because if you're a team, especially like somewhere between 15 and the early 20s, and the Giants are willing to come up from the second round, and they will give you a 26 first rounder.

You go, there's a decent chance the Giants suck. So if their quarterback room is Russell Wilson, James Winston, and Shador Sanders, it's probably more likely they win five or six games than 10 or 11 games. So I would do that deal all day long in a draft that's not viewed as great. But if you're Shador, I mean, this is a great moment. Like, there's not a better job interview if you are a player than a private workout with the head coach and the play callers. I mean, I guess he's the same.

Well, kind of. He goes back and forth calling plays. But you know what I mean. The coaching staff, the GM, standing right there watching you workout. So hopefully it goes well. you know, the Sanders, they're no dummies. They know the power of the New York market. A lot of money to be made getting drafted the Giants.

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But I did want to start with this because I've thought about this for a long time. You know, football, basically, I mean, there are a couple examples. And now with the international program, teams are allowed a lot at an extra spot. But basically, everyone that plays in the NFL is born in America. plays college football and I would say large large percentage close to like 99%. Their families live in this area too. So they get to stay here. They get to make money here.

It's a pretty easy transition. Where in basketball and in baseball to make the most money possible, if you are a great player, you have to come from Cuba, from the Dominican, from Japan, from wherever, and come to America in baseball or look at Eastern Europe, Jokic, Luka, all the international players who have become stars have to come to America to play. It's why Jokic takes a bunch of shit for, I don't know why I'm saying Jokic, Yokic, to leave in the off-season.

And he goes immediately right when the season ends to go hang out at home and race his horses and enjoys it. Well, yeah, I would too. He did not choose. Like if all things were equal, right? He would have just stayed in his home country and made $50 million a year and played in the best league possible. But that doesn't exist. Think how many of us are so lucky that we can excel in our profession.

Hell, in the town we grew up in, let alone the choice to kind of move wherever we want to do in this country and make money. That is not the case if you're a professional athlete in baseball or basketball. basketball internationally, you got to come to America because that's where the cash is. And it's no different in golf. The PGA tour, while it is a worldwide sport, the majority of the money on that tour, beside a couple events a year and they don't own the open, is played here. So guys like Rory and Shane Lowry and Tommy Fleetwood, and the list goes on and on. Back to when I was a kid, guys like Ernie Else or Reteef Gousen or Padrick Harrington.

We're not born here. but they were some of the best players, and they moved here to play on the PGA tour. And it can't be the easiest transition. You don't know. Imagine it's like, John, the only place you can have success podcasting would be you have to move to Germany. Like, that wouldn't be my first choice, but if I want to do this and I could have a lucrative career and this is what I'm good at, it's like, what would be my other options? and Rory McElroy, the moment after he won the Masters of walking up and the hug he gave with Shane Lowry, which anyone that follows the sport knows, like they've been friends for a long, long time.

And on full swing, they talked about it, their relationship. And it was, I've only watched like, I think like three episodes. I actually downloaded on the plane when I got married to Nashville. But their relationship seems like pretty cool and seems pretty special. and seems kind of important when you're not from here to have people in your life that can relate to you and view you not as the multi-million dollar superstar, but as like the guy that, yeah, I remember when we were 14 and both of us had nothing. And we were just hitting balls on some crappy range in Ireland.

And obviously the relationship, you know, Tommy Fleetwood or Justin Rose, some of these guys, he didn't grow up around. but from an international standpoint, most of these individuals live in America. And I actually think, Tommy Fleetwood live in Dubai, which maybe it's a different player, but most of these guys live in Florida.

And I just think we don't talk about that enough of like, that can't be easy. Now, I get it. These guys, it's not like the language barrier like you would have for Shohei Otani or someone from the Dominican. But I just think about it, listen, I live in a state that it,

are where people I didn't grow up but are around me. But many of you that listen that have either in-laws or your parents or your brothers and sisters or even close friends in the vicinity of where you live, like that is, it can have its disadvantages, but it definitely can have its advantages. And at times, especially in your lower moments, you know, you seek some comfort, you need some comfort. And Rory talked about it with his caddy, who's one of his best friends since he was like seven or eight years old who's taken a lot of crap over the years for not being like a good

enough caddy even though I think Rory's success kind of speaks for itself of like yeah it's kind of important in a place where you don't know that many people I would probably do the same and now I think big picture when you look at this player the best part about individual sports are where a guy chases greatness I mean the biggest individual of my lifetime would be Tiger Woods. I would say, I don't know, a close second because I think Tiger is a lot bigger than Federer, but I think Roger Federer would fall under that as well

of just complete dominance. Yeah, I remember watching the documentary on Federer when other players were like, yeah, he's the best player I've ever seen. He's just like, it just doesn't get any better. He's literally great at everything. I always thought with Federer, it's not shocking that him and Tiger were really close.

Obviously, they were Nike guys, but like, did Roger sweat? You know, Tiger, one thing would, Tiger, he sweated profusely. It's like, God, Tiger, I mean, you are, and I'm a sweater too, so I can relate. I always thought watching Roger Federer, a lot like Kauai. Like, is he even sweating? But we like in individual sports when a guy just dominates and wipes the floor with everyone

else. And I do think Rory now has an opportunity. And we talked about this on the reaction pod after he won the Masters. And no one knows. And we won't know until the PGA championship at Quayle Hall. a tournament and a course that he's had a lot of success on, that if he kept the pedal to the medal, even if he takes this week to drink,

hang out with family, screw around, not touch a golf club, whatever, he could take a couple weeks off. But if he gets back on the horse, dials back in, no one's playing better.

He, in 2025, not debatable best player in the world. He's won three times now. He's won the players. He's won the masters. He's beat the best players consistently now. It doesn't mean, like, I know on the overall world ranking,

Scottie Sheffler's the best player. That's based on 2021. As we sit here in the middle of April, 2005, he's the best player and you could argue there has been a little bit of a gap. Now, Scotty's starting to get his swag back, but I do think it would be, I don't want to say

an underachievement because winning majors are hard, but it would feel like a disappointment if Rory doesn't at least win one more major this year. We saw last year, that's very possible Zander won two and he'd never even won a major. Hell, for a long time Zander didn't even win that much.

And I'm not saying the Grand Slam, I don't even, not saying that it's not attainable, but I think it's a little unrealistic. You have one terrible round at a major, which if you play in four, you know, that's 16 rounds. So if one of your 16 rounds, you just miss a ball OB, hit another ball in the water, all of a sudden you shoot 76. You're probably out of the tournament. So you could go three or four. but I do think chasing like immortality now becomes a lot more realistic.

He had kind of the 800 pound gorilla on his back and listen I thought it was going to break his back. We all did on Sunday. But now that he got over that hump, some of the devastating losses of recent memory, the U.S. Open, the British Open at the old course a couple years ago to Cam Smith,

that like I wonder if he can just be free because he's one of the most talented players. ever. Now he's playing the best he's ever played and it's pretty wide open this year. Quail Hollow, the open's basically in his hometown, which last time he played it, I'm pretty sure the first shot of the tournament, he pumped it out of bounds, which was pretty devastating. I think he went like 78, 67 or something. I have to go back and look at Royal Port Rush. What was that, like six, seven years ago? Maybe not even that, five, six years ago. But I think the season becomes a lot more fascinating now. Simply can Rory win another major? And he's going to be, I think when the

betting shapes itself out, I looked right after the Masters ended, you know, Scotty was like three to one to win the PGA championship. Rory's up to five to one. Would not shock me at all if Scotty, you know, continues to be a little bumpy for his standards based on last year. They're kind of the same by the time we get to the PGA championship, both around four or five to one. I do think Scott he's a little inflated right now, given that he hasn't won a tournament this year. I'm not saying he should be 10 to 1, but to me, him and Rory should be at a dead heap going into the next major.

And I'd place that about 5, 6 to 1. Because even when you're as great as Rory, being a 6 to 1 favorite against a field of 150 people is pretty insane. But he's earned that. And I'm fascinated to watch now, like can this guy just go chase it? You know, can this guy just find himself in a sweet spot? and just rattle off three or four majors the next couple years.

I'm not saying it's going to happen. I wouldn't even bet on it happening, but I definitely think he's equipped now if he's kind of shook all the demons that have been carrying over him and hanging over him to now just go dominate. And golf was never bigger than when Tiger just dominated. And I'm not saying he's going to do it at that level,

but like if he could have a year where he won two or three majors, and won six, seven times. I mean, part of what made Scotty season last year a little overwhelming is like there was another guy on tour that won more majors than him in 2024. It was like Scotty Sheffler had a Tiger Woods-like season and won one major, which is unreal, but it was also a major that he'd already won. So it wasn't like he accomplished something new.

And then Zander went out and won twice. And I remember Justin Thomas at the end of the year, he's like, which season would you rather have? And Justin was like, well, You know, as a guy that's won a lot on the PGA tour, I would take the two majors in all the top guys. And I mean, all the top guys would take the multiple majors. Now, there are countless players on the PGA tour

that would easily take 6-7 wins, $60 million in a Masters. But Jordan Speed, Justin Thomas, Ludwig, all the top guys, John Rom, you name Bryson, would take two majors in a year, even if it meant totally, you know, I think when it was all said and done, Zander made close to 30 and Scottie doubled them, which again, all these guys are filthy rich. So is that money changing his life? Not necessarily, but I really hope for the game of golf.

I think the best case scenario for the sport now that we're in this kind of world where the tours are split and we only see these guys would be, you know, Royed. At least even if he won this next major and just give the buzz to win the grand slam going into the U.S. Open. But honestly, if he just had a season where he won like three or four months, majors, I think it would immediately validate them as like, we start talking like, is he one of top five players of all time? Because how often, I think Jack and Tiger are the guys that went the longest between majors. Jack was 75 to 86. Tiger was 08 to 19. Like 11 years between majors is a long time. If you look historically, most top players win most of their majors in a short period of time, in a three or four year span.

Hell, you look at Phil, he won Augusta 06. He won the Masters in 0406 in 2010, so basically in a six-year span, and he threw another PGA championship in there as well. He won the Open a little bit later and obviously out of nowhere won the PGA championship a couple years ago at 50 years old, which no one saw coming.

But for the most part, guys take advantage when they're really hot. It's why there was a ton of pressure. You know, Bryson won a couple of U.S. opens. John Rom, won a Masters in the U.S. Open in a short period of time. You know, Kepka won as two U.S. opens and it's two PGA championships really, really close together. It was cool about, you know, seeing him win the PGA a couple years ago.

But I think it's pretty important right now for Rory to pounce while the getting is good. On a gambling standpoint to this weekend, I do think JT is going to win this year. And right now going into the RBC Heritage, he's 20 to 1. I think you remove Rory. Now, Scotty is the defending champ, and he is basically what he always is, plus 350, so you've got to bet $100 to win 350,

which is insane in golf. He easily can win this week, but I think JT's going to win. Now, is he going to win this week? I don't know, but I basically parlayed him. I think last year he was 4.5. in this event, so he's had success and he's playing really well. I'm out on JT and majors. It's just kind of undeniable. At the Masters, at the U.S. Open, at the British Open, you just can't feel great about betting on Justin Thomas. But in these regular events and in these

elevated events, he has brought a really high level of play. I think a top 10 for JT. to me is an auto bet. And then two other guys, you know, Jordan Speath has won here before. I think in 2022. He wanted a playoff against Patrick Cantlay. Jason Day finished top 20 last year. If you parlay, JT to top 10 with Speeth and Day to top 20, you can get a little above 10 to 1 odds. So I threw that out there on my socials. I'm throwing that down. I'm also sprinkling a little on Ludwig as well. But I like JT and I like Ludwig to definitely compete. Now, Scotty, if you want to take that, I don't blame you. you would think Scotty's going to win sooner or later, but it's just hard for me to hammer Scotty at plus 350.

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shoot a 90, I had this debate all the time with my buddy who is a scratch golfer and I tell him he wouldn't break 90 there. He disagrees. What do you think you're shooting from the master twos? Well, it depends. If your buddy's like a scratch and played at like USC or the University of Texas, then like, yeah, he could go there and excel. But if your buddy's a scratch golfer and just was like, I played in high school, I picked up the game, and I'm just a good player now at my country club

or at where I play, he'd have absolutely no chance in master's conditions to shoot 90. None. I think from their tease, I'm not a good putter. I'm a really, really bad putter. So even if my irons and woods were working,

there's no way I could break 100. I would never be able to putt on those screens. They're just too fast. I would three putt and, I would three and four putt put every green. It would be a miracle to two putt some of those greens. The other thing is, I guess depending on how I'm swinging, I don't hit the ball that high. Well, if you can't hit the ball really high there, how do you hold the greens? So I, I'm like a four or five handicap. I

wouldn't, there's no way I'd break 100, especially the first time. Some of those lies, you got to, my ball, I don't naturally hit a draw. I mean, ideally it's a cut. You got to work. the ball right to left there. I don't necessarily know how to do that consistently. And if I do, sometimes I duck hook it, it'd be in the trees. I think, I think your buddy that's a scratch golfer, I'd bet $1,000 right now. From their T's, their pins, their conditions, no fucking way to shoot 90. How long did it take you to actually feel like you can confidently swing off the box in the fairway and on the green? I'm two and a half years into golf and I'm 25. It just seems impossible with a full-time job to become semi-good at the game.

Yeah, I mean, it's tough. I mean, I don't think you ever feel completely confident. I think you do some rounds when you're playing well, but half the time you're terrified over the ball. You're like, I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know what's going to go. I think that's what makes the game so fun, is that even the best players struggle.

So if you have a full-time job, like most humans do that play golf, it's going to be very difficult. And most of us, including myself, I don't really practice that much. I just kind of play. The only way to get better at golf is practice and play. So I think you just got to live with it. One thing I've really tried to do is, you know,

over the last month, I've shot 88 and I've shot 76. And I guess there was one blow-up, actually, in one hole, which I regret. It was kind of embarrassing. Now, granted, we were gambling, but threw a hat, threw a little tantrum. It was kind of just, I've been getting made fun of by the guys I was playing with since. but it's like try to enjoy yourself.

Like you get outside, you get some fresh air, especially most of us work inside, right? It's just an enjoyable experience. So yeah, you're going to suck or not be very good. Plus you're 25. Like the best part about golf is at 25 years old, assuming you stay relatively healthy, you're going to be able to play potentially

for the next 50 plus years. You're not going to be able to play tennis that long. You're not going to be able to, you know, most physical activity, definitely even workouts are going to have to dramatically change as you get older. So it's probably the only activity you're going to be able to do

into your 70s, potentially 80s. Hell, Gary Player had the first tee shot at the Masters. He's 90 years old. Finished watching Rory put on the Green J. As I was rooting for Rory during the playoff, I couldn't help but wonder about his conservative approach after he had a four-shot lead. I remember Tiger putting a strangle hold on

leads, but I don't think the tour had the same abundance of talent. Obviously, if he executes a little better, Rory would have been fine, but I can't help but second guess is thinking. My question is, do you agree with a conservative approach? And if so, how much do you think you need

to have going to the back nine to start playing conservative? Well, I think that's what makes Augusta unique is starting on the back nine. I mean, if a guy gets hot, he can either birdie 10 or 11, which by no means are a lock. It's probably

easier to burty 10 than 11, but you can burty 10. You can burdy your eagle 13. You can birdie your eagle 15. You can birdie 14. You definitely can birdie 16. You know, 18 on Sunday. Like, if you hit a good drive,

very burtiable. So you can have huge swings on the back 9 at Augusta. And I think if you're Rory, like you play a draw. So it's pretty easy to just play your draw and then go for it. Okay, you hit it in the drink. The water, a red steak penalty is not out of bounce. You can drop the ball. You're chipping four and worst case scenario, you get a bogey. But when

you lay up and something disastrous happens, as did to Rory, double comes into play. So I think I've heard some people argue as like the chances of him messing up that chip in that situation are slimmed the nun. And I would say, yeah, except he did. So you hit it in the, you hit it in Ray's Creek, which the dude from ASU took a leak in, who called it a river. It would be the smallest river in the history of rivers that I just think on that whole, whether you're up 10 or whether you're even par with someone, I think that,

I think it's just an auto go for these guys, especially Rory, who works the ball right to left. Like, that's his shot. Just let it rip. And worst case scenario for him, like the chance of him going to his, in the water on a second shot, probably not that high. Now, he could pull it to the left part of the green, to the sand, to the left side of the operation. But he's flying the water. So I think if he'd have that back, I don't think we'll ever see him lay up again like that. And I don't think there's a number where you lay up.

Maybe if you're up like 10. But three or four, one thing we've seen proven is you can have three, four, shot swings in a couple holes at the back nine there. My question is, do you think we'll ever see anyone win four majors in a single season? Excluding Bobby Jones, obviously Tiger won three in 2000, and there have been multiple double major winners in a season. I don't think it'll ever be done. But at the same time, I'm sure people in their 70s and 80s thought Jack Nicholas

record would be broken when Tiger came along. Yeah, I think it's probably pretty unlikely. I think the best case scenario we could see would be Tiger. you know, three majors in a year. I mean, Zander won two. I think Scotty definitely could do it. I think Rory, it's definitely possible this year. I mean, he's going to be assuming everything he stays healthy

and his game stays in form. I mean, he is going to be heavily favored and bet on to win the PJ Championship and the British Open. Now, the U.S. opens at Oakmont. I have a good family friend and good buddies, Tyler and Scotty. Tyler played at UC Davis. He was a really good player.

And in 2016, he qualified. He Monday qualified, played in the U.S. Open. His brother, Scotty, caddied for him for him then. And I text him the other day, Scotty. I said, how hard is this course? Like, would Bryson have any chance hitting his irons like he did at the U.S. Open? He said, absolutely not.

You boge any hole you miss. It is a, I think some people consider it one of, if not, the hardest major course in the country. So in that scenario, Rory could be play okay and good and loose. It's just U.S. opens are really weird. Pinehurst is a unique setup.

So was LACC. This one, like, I don't know. I wouldn't, I don't feel confident gambling on Rory to win that. But I think the PGA championship and the Open, I think if he doesn't win one of those two, it's going to be disappointing. So I'd say three's on the table. I'm with you four.

That'd be insane. If Rory were to do it, though, it would take him to legendary status pretty quick. Have you ever taken Maria golfing with you? If so, does she like it? And how do you like it? You know, I try to separate church from state, but I've taken her a couple times. She has clubs. I played with her one time.

She had a friend who brought another dude and we played. He was actually a good player. We had a good time. had some beers. It was pretty, pretty lax. She's, you know, play a couple holes and then kind of get bored. It's hard because like we talked about her, she's, she never play. So she, it's very challenging. It's hard to hit the ball.

It becomes, uh, if you never play and then go try to play and I like take her to TPC Scottsdale, the hole's really long, the desert, especially here in Arizona. It's like if you crank one, you're in a cactus. It's just not a fun activity if you don't play and you've seen. suck. So she'd rather just have a cocktail and hang out. If you can play one round with any current top pro, who would it be in why?

Well, could I shoot it for the YouTube page? Because if I could do that, I would probably I would even do Bryson as a little collab. I mean, you'd take his a couple million followers. Or I do someone that doesn't typically do that type stuff. You know, Rory took a shot at the

YouTubers. And if you told me I could do it like this Friday, play with someone, it'd be a no-brainer. It'd be Roy McElroy. But I think Bryson'd be pretty high up there. I think Scotty would be big. But yeah, I think I think Roy or Bryson is the choice. What's your two cents on why live guys fell off their game when they switched? Thinking of Rom and Kepka. Do they not have enough competition to keep them motivated? Do they have enough money and they don't see the reason to pursue greatness anymore? I think Rom

shown signs of life after the first round. which he basically shot himself out of the tournament on the first round. I do think it's hard when you're playing in events that don't matter. Like all these guys, Rom, Kepka, DJ, they've won the biggest events in America. They've won the biggest PGA tournaments from the waste management to Memorial to Rive, to Tori Pines, to majors. And then they go to live. And they're like, none of it matters. and they also got hundreds of millions of dollars.

So think about yourself. If you have a job that takes a lot of energy and a lot of focus, and I pay you 50X whatever you're making to do the same job somewhere else, but also the outcome of whatever you're doing, whether it is a good job or bad, doesn't matter. You would just, like, iron sharpens iron. So like look at the major champions over the last four, majors. Bryson, who is very

driven right now, clearly. I mean, Bryson's just a driven guy. But you remove Bryson. The last five majors are Xander Shafley's one, two, Scotty's one another, and Rory. So it's like those guys are playing against each other constantly.

Where, yeah, Rom and Kepka, DJ are playing against each other, but it's like, how do they take it seriously? Shotgun starts, three rounds. I don't even blame them. If I was Kepka, how could I possibly be as dialed. You couldn't. DJ clearly doesn't even give a shit.

Which, again, I don't blame him. I think it's probably bothering Rom a lot. But, like, how does he dial in? Like, what's he supposed to do? He's used to, like, how do I get ready? Well, I play Tori Pines. I play RIV. I play the waste management. I play the players. And then going into the Masters, I'm pretty dialed in. And then I just go on the rotation of the top tournaments.

I play the RBC Territage. I play the Memorial. Well, now it's like I'm playing some random course in Chicago. Again, that's what the money was for, though. Would it be possible to get daily round recaps for all the majors from you this year? Also, sad to see Rory's Day fall apart. Would anyone have expected Justin Rose to have the day he had? No, they wouldn't. I think the problem for what I do is, you know, from a podcast standpoint,

it would cut for a video standpoint it's not a terrible idea maybe I could do like a 10 minute recap but I usually try to you know we in well Lully snoring right there for those of you watching you can see her for those of you listening dogs on the on the couch just saw on logs it's her birthday tomorrow so I brought her into the office and sat her on the couch and she just fell asleep, but everything we do gets double distributed on one on video and one on audio.

And there's a lot of work. The other thing is on Thursday, you know, we tend to do a Friday podcast that's revolving around football. But yeah, I mean, I've thought about it. I obviously, like the no laying up guys do it.

The shotgun start guys do it. I follow a lot of their content. But I also have, you know, I do a, unlike Like these other people in golf, like I do football year-round, so I'm constantly podcasting nonstop. If I don't want to get a divorce, I have to kind of give some time to my ever-growing family.

Whose bag do you think would be the most fun to caddy for on the live tour? Or on the tour or live? What guy is the perfect mix of fun, but would also win big and make you a lot of cash? Phil Bryson Aberg and Homa, pre this season, all seem to be awesome, big winners, and would totally grab a beer with you after. Whereas Morikawa, Rory, J.T. Speed, would be too stressful.

And Scotty wins a ton, but seems too vanilla of a guy. I think you're underestimating the stress level would be high on any of these guys. You know, Phil's 50 years old, but I think Phil would have been fun in 20 years ago. Let's face it, if you were going to do it, you would go all the way. In the last 25, it'd be no doubt you would want to do Tiger Woods. I mean, it wouldn't even be a question. I would say the next guy, I think it'd be like Roy or Phil. You would just, you would choose the top guys.

It's why a couple years ago, the dude left Ricky Fowler, went to Tom Kim. It was like, oh, this guy's, you know, upgrading a new younger guy. And then Ludwig became available. And Joe left Tom Kim immediately. We went to Ludwig. So I think as a caddy, none of these guys, you know, I listen to a lot of PJ Tour radio, like when I'm driving around. listen to like Rocco and guys like that have shows, Lucas Glover. The day and age of these guys like going out for beers on Wednesdays and Thursdays and Friday does not exist.

So if you became a caddy, you would just want the best player possible. Like you're not, you might hang out with them sometimes on like Monday or Tuesday during the round and you're cool. But I just think you would want the best talent. I think it's just that simple. I think you're overthinking a little bit. You kind of want the perfect world. It's like you wanted her to be hot. You want her to be skinny.

You wanted to cook, clean. You wanted to make a lot of money as well. Great mother. It's like that's not really the way it works. I think you would just choose best player possible. So to me, in 2025, if Rory's not available, who would be here? I think Ludwig be the next choice.

Young, long future career. Now, I think guys like Jordan Spieth, he actually seems pretty cool and pretty fun but like you said, very stressful and too, not that good anymore. Scotty, I probably choose Scotty. Like, yeah, Scottie hit eight iron here and then he hits it five feet.

I would just, I wouldn't overthink any of the other stuff. I would just choose who are my best players. I would just choose the best player. Because I think the way that historically we looked at it like you get to play with those guys, it's, or hang out with those guys doesn't exist.

Why did the Masters coverage not put Bryson in a feature group? Last year, Brooks was in one after winning the PGA championship. Bryson is the reigning U.S. Open champion, easily a top five player in the world, and probably the third most popular player behind Rurian Tiger. Is it that he went to live? He is more entertaining to watch, and why doesn't the broadcast start earlier? Well, the broadcast doesn't start earlier because the Masters dictates the terms. I do think a couple years ago, Bryson took some shots at Augusta, called it a par 67.

And like, these guys don't forget that. You know, there are rumors that they basically told the kid that pissed in the creek. Like, you're never coming back here. You're done. You're done here, buddy. Now, if he gets so good and starts to win tournaments, they're not going to be able to do it. But, like, it is a very, and listen, I mean this with all due respect. If there are any green jackets listening, I love your club.

I view it like heaven. And if it's ever available, I would love to come play. But it is by far, you know, it's, it's, it's a same. stiff as it gets. And I've heard stories about former athletes, one that might be a member there, kind of a famous quarterback that's got a tongue lashing.

Like, they don't give a shit. It has nothing. It's one of the rare super exclusive clubs that in a weird way, money doesn't mean shit. The hardest part is getting in and it has nothing to do. Obviously,

you've got to be rich and famous or whatever or powerful to be in the mix. But it's not like the dues and the down payment to get in, it's not like it's 10 million to join. I've heard it's like, yeah, it doesn't even matter. We might not even have to cut a check. And there aren't really dues there.

I think it's complicated how that works. It's not like your typical club, but they do not screw around. They just do not. And I think the phone policy speaks for itself. In what world can you not have phones? Think about that. So I just think that Bryson's pissed him off.

years ago and they don't forget. And his comments, regardless how well he did last year, you think those guys care that he has 2 million followers on YouTube? They just do not care at all. What is on the not pad for the players

that they bust out? What do they have on the notepad? Would love to know more. What sport do you think is more mentally focused than golf? So much time with your thoughts. How do these players prepare for that? And what's a good

type of golf bet. I think top tens and top 20s are always easy. I think the only way you mentally prepare for anything is to practice as hard as possible. No different than football. It's why you go full go in practice. In basketball, they don't practice anymore, but historically

like practice and scrimmages were pretty intense. You know, in baseball, getting ready, you do live BP and stuff like that. In golf, the only way you can prepare is to actually play and put pressure. It's why these guys gamble. It's not necessarily to like bet other guys. It's like put pressure on putts and put pressure on shots.

So I think you just build up mental reps on like I would imagine when you're young in pro golf when you first get out to the PGA tour having thousands of people watch you is pretty nerve-wracking. Well, one thing you notice like after a while all these guys, whether you're Rory or whether you're the random guy in the tournament are unfazed by the crowd. that they are, because you become, you become used to it. And I think the mental focus, you become, at least understand what you have to do to dial in. And some of that's pre-shot routine. Some of that's keeping the same tendencies.

Some of that's breathing. You know, Rory's talked a lot about keeping your mouse shut in tournaments, breathing through your nose, calms you down. And those books, you know, the masters don't allow green reading books. So it's a lot of just notes from your practice rounds. yardages, just, I don't know, I've been to change his player to player, but it's just notes based on playing that hole throughout the week and throughout the years. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news.

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I saw a video of Jordan talking about mud balls. He was saying you're not allowed to talk about mud balls and how it affects the ball flight contact with the club face. If that's the case, why aren't more guys that come out and complain about it? I feel like he's just complaining because his play is not good recently. I agree. He's not wrong. You're not supposed to use the word mud balls.

A couple years ago when they had the Masters in 2020 in the fall. Obviously, it was wet. They called it organic matter, I think, was the term they used. I did think he came off pretty bitter. It's like Jordan. Rory, does Rory having mud balls? Is Justin Rose having mud balls? Has Bryson been having?

mud balls? Like, that's something. Now, he's in a unique position because he's won the tournament and he owns a green jacket. It's like they don't like that shit. And these people have a lot of power. It's like a secret society, but it's not secret. So I would imagine he pissed a lot of people off by saying it. Because you're right. It did come off. It didn't impact Rory. Like, Rory didn't say, you know, on 13, why hit it in the creek? Mudball. I'm with you there. First time sending you a note other than I love the dabble in my two favorite things other than my wife, obviously. Football and golf.

I have always loved Rory, certainly because of his talent, charisma, etc. However, I didn't realize until the Masters why he was so likable by the masses, at least in my opinion. I'm a scratch golfer, and I'm in awe of his prowess with the driver and overall talent. It's truly something that average golfer can't comprehend. Totally agree. Roy's flying the ball 330 yards.

He's 5'9. I mean, Bryson's big. DJ's big. Kepka looks like a line bag. Rory's tiny. But the couple wedges at 13 and the other short missed putts make him seem human.

So we admire his superhero talent yet are endured because he is still, quote unquote, one of us. Other than Phil, can you think of any other athlete that is a comp? I think in golf,

Jordan Speath, when he's playing well, is a lot like that. Because Jordan can have like seven straight birdies and then he can have two straight triples. So I think Jordan has always had a fill-like quality to you didn't know what was going to happen,

which anytime you can have a, I don't know what's going to happen, Tiger, you knew it was inevitable. Even Mahomes and Brady, they might not always win the Super Bowl, but it's like, yeah, they're going to win this game. It's like inevitable they're going to win this game. I mean, this chief season was, I guess they threw the last game, but they went 15 and 2. And it was like, by October, you're like, yeah, they're not going to lose this. Yeah, they're going to figure it out. And like the Broncos miss a kick.

And he's like, it's inevitable. That's the thing with golf. It's just beside Tiger, it's not inevitable. And you never know. Phil, Rory, anything could happen. Jordan, remember the last time he won the open when he beat Cochre? He pumped it, uh, I forget where they were playing, but he pumped to like seven holes to the right and then still knocked it on.

And then he made the put and he pointed at Greller to get the ball out of the, uh, the hole. So I think any time, an athlete is quote unquote relatable, it makes it more powerful. I mean, I would say the most powerful or popular and definitely most lucrative athlete that does like studio television, not even close, is Charles Barkley. And I would say Charles's number one quality is like he feels like a guy easy to have a conversation with.

And whenever he tells a story, it's like, Charles, where did you get that ring you're wearing or Charles where did you get that whatever and he's like oh this guy my gym sauna he can just tell stories like Charles Barkley feels like a human being that if you ran into at the store at the gas station at

the 7-11 grabbing some Doritos and a Coke zero no free ads but that's usually my order if I'm feeling a little frisky you could just have a five-minute conversation with Charles Barkley And I think Rory feels like that.

I think Steph Curry has always had that element. He just seems like an easy guy to talk to. And, you know, some people can fake it. Right. I love Peyton Manning, but some people think, you know, it's like him and Phil have this quality. Can they fake it a little bit? I don't know. I mean, I would love to talk to Peyton or Phil.

I'd take my chances. But depending on who you talk to, you rarely hear anyone say anything negative. Like, yeah, I met Steph Curry. He was a dick. Yeah, I met Charles Barkley. total asshole. It ran into Rory. Wouldn't talk to me.

Like, that story doesn't exist. Yet, you get Michael Jordan, which makes him like this legendary figure, same with Tiger. It's like, Tiger took the Navy SEALs out for cheeseburgers and then made them pick up the check. So it's like, what?

But he's so good, it's like, we overlook it. That's why he was so stupid about the story that went viral of Bryson going, yeah, Rory didn't talk to me. Well, yeah, Bryson. It's Sunday at the Masters. Rory is a two-shot lead. Did you want him to give like a breakdown of what he feeds his daughter? Like, what do you think he was going to say? It's how Tiger became a legend. He wouldn't talk to

anybody. Tony Fino's talked about this countless times. Like Tony tried to like say something to him in 2019 about his kids and Tiger just like, yeah, wouldn't talk to him. And obviously by 2019, that had been the number one driving like storyline with Tiger most of his career. He didn't say anything to anybody and play dominant mind games. So yeah, yeah, Bryson, Roy probably doesn't like you that much. One and two, he's just trying to win this thing. I wouldn't be talking much either, and I talk for a living. Okay, last question here.

My question, in the wake of the masters, in this, if Peak Tiger was 100 out of 100, how would you rate Peak Rory? How about Bryson, Scotty, and others past or present? I find it fun to put golfers into context well if Tiger let's do this 10 out of 10 I would say

and let's do the 25 years I would say the guy with the highest rating would be you know the peak of Tiger perfect golfer the next would be Phil and I would say Phil would be like

9.2 like Phil's not even Phil's not a it feels getting a minus, right? If Tiger's an A plus. So then you have to base it off that. I would say Rory's like a 9 out of 10. I would put Scotty.

Scotty's had moments last year, but he's won the same major twice. Again, these are really, I mean, if Tiger is 10 out of 10, that standard doesn't get any higher. I would say Scotty 8.6, Bryson below him at like 8.2. Again, these are insane standards, right?

You know, Bryson is an excellent putter in obviously distance elite, but he can get pretty squirrely. I mean, balls, even last year at the U.S. Open, he was pumping balls all over the place. Now, at any moment, he can pump it down the fairway and knock at five feet on a 600-yard hole. Like, that's his superpower, and so can roar.

but I would say Rory is dramatically straighter than Bryson. And his wedges have gotten much better. So, like, we're seeing peak Rory. Like, this is peak Rory. And to me, this peak version is close to Phil. It shows you how great Tiger was. I would say Bryson, we haven't seen peak bryson yet. Potentially, I mean, who knows?

I mean, if this is as good as he going to be, this is damn good. But if he is going to get a higher number and be close to Rory or Phil, he can't really work the ball right, which to me, like part of what makes Tiger a 10 out of 10, and I'd say the same with Phil, they had every shot in the bag. From T all the way to the hole.

Every single shot, left and right, high and low. Like, let's face it, Bryson is going to sound like a shot. It's not, he's a one-trick pony. He plays a power draw. He can hit and cuts. Rory,

getting obviously his go-to shot is the draw, but you see him play the cut. cut off the T, played it on 18 in regulation, and then again in the, in the playoff. Like, Bryson doesn't hit that shot. I mean, he just doesn't, which is there an evolution where Bryson's ever going to work the ball both ways? Now, just because you work to ball both ways doesn't mean you're like some dominant player, right? J.T. has every shot in the bag and he's all over the map sometimes, but I would say

Tiger 10 out of 10, Phil probably 92 out of 10. I'd start Rory in the nines. I'd give him a 9-0, which, I mean, if he goes on to win like three majors this year, maybe we put him right there with Phil. But everyone else's start with an 8 for sure. The volume. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers.

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