The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 4th and South - Raheem Mostert on being cut 7 times, 220-yd game, Mike McDaniel's aggressive coaching style

Episode Date: April 2, 2026

NFL stars and LSU legends Jarvis Landry and Leonard Fournette are joined by veteran running back Raheem Mostert of the Las Vegas Raiders, who opens up about being cut by seven different NFL teams, his legendary 220-yard performance in the 2019 NFC Championship Game with the San Francisco 49ers, former Miami Dolphins coach Mike McDaniel, the heartbreaking story of his stepfather shooting his brother on Father's Day, the mentor who changed his life in Coach Chop, and his love for fishing away from the game of football. All lines provided by ⁨ @hardrockbet See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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right now we have a guest coming up yeah he's a 20 19 pro bowl selection He holds the NFC Championship record 250 90 50 yards Most second most of all time Playoff most of all time playoffs He's up there with playoff Lenny

He's a skateboarder surfer Surfer Dad Fisher Man what can he do Man y'all help us by welcome being our guest Rahim Mozart to the show I like this man

I like the setup Welcome walk this fourth and south Welcome How you been man man? I've been solid. You're good? Yeah, it's the offseason. You know, just trying to catch up on daddy duties, as you know.

Yep. And just hang out and try to do as much as I can, business-wise, just trying to make some moves, you know, and this off-the-field stuff. So everything is good, man. I can't complain. Daddy duties. How many do you have?

I got four right now. We just announced that we're having our fit. Oh, congratulations. Man, get off that woman, man. It's hard to. You know, no, honestly, it's the best, though. You know, I got my three boys, and then I just had my baby girl this past July, and I feel like I'm on top of the world, you know.

You know, when you have, I mean, if you have daughters, you know, it's a whole different mentality, you know, with my boys, I'm like, roughing them up and, you know, teaching them, teach them how to be a man and everything. But now with my daughter is like, oh, hey, come here, baby girl, like. Different type of love. Yeah, it's different type. I mean, you love all your kids the same, though. Definitely.

But it's like the baby girl brings out the difference in you. I was the same way. My first daughter was my firstborn was my girl as well. And it was the same thing. And I heard stories about it like, man, I'm telling you that girl going to have your heart. And before you know it, man, I'm listening to unicorns, you know, watching unicorn stuff, listening to the pop song, you know, purple pink, every this, that, you know what I mean? And then my boy came and, you know, like you say,

It's headlocks, football, wrestling, throwing them from the top of the bed to the flow, anything, man. That's awesome. So, us being fathers, right? I know Java's half two. You have five, I have five. Can you tell me, because I know for me, I had my kids like, I needed my kids in, like, certain points in my life, right?

My daughter, my first born was to slow me down, you know, using that fast life as a young, a young, teenager, going to tell manhood, experienced certain things. Can you tell me which one of your kids made a pivotal point in your life? Truthfully, I feel like all of them have, and not just in life, but like my career. I feel like, you know, my firstborn, Gunner, when I had him, I just got back from a gruesome injury. I broke my arm. but I snapped both the Alness and radio.

The Alna, what is it? Yeah. We got doctors, brother. We football players. The Alna and radius. Yeah, yeah. So I ended up breaking it in 2018. And then, you know, coming back, I was just like kind of down about myself.

You know, my career hasn't really taken off the way I've envisioned it. And so 2019 season, that was the year when I was with the Niners, we ended up going to the Super Bowl. Yeah. And I made a huge splash that year, even in the playoffs, and I felt like having my baby boy gave me that purpose, gave me that drive, you know what I mean? So that was in and itself the reason why I felt like I started my career at that moment and looking at it as a light that he brought to the world.

And he took his first steps at the NFC championship game. Amazing, what the hell? You know, it was all destined. And so, you know, just having him. And then my second, my second son, Nico, I felt like he was, he was the one that really made me be humble. You know, I had just the great season the year before. He came into the world, and that was also the year of COVID. So I missed, like, six months of his life.

And so that's six months I can't tell you back. And I feel like that kind of, you know, put me in a perspective of family first always. No matter what to go to the hospital doing that time? Yeah, I was able to go to the hospital. I got to be there. All three of my boys were born in Cleveland. So my wife's from Cleveland. Yeah, I got the chance to be in Cleveland.

We were playing the Jets and the Giants back-to-back weeks. So we had an East Coast trip when I was with the Niners. And so, yeah, I was able. I talked to the GM and the owner. They flew me out on the private. Got to be there for, you know, 26. hours or whatever and flew back out but you know that that really humbled me that year because I was out in Cali by myself yeah my wife was in Cleveland with her family and you know they were she was

taking care of our oldest and our newborn yeah and I was just like you know I couldn't I couldn't do anything must have been stressful for you like trying to trying to trying to it was yeah it was stressful just because I couldn't help I couldn't like I felt like I was helpless you know I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't provide as, like, being a man, you know, I had to hold down the fort in regards to trying to make sure the bills are paid and get those checks and everything like that. But she had to hold the fort down with the newborn and, you know, and a one-year-old at the time is like, you know, it was a lot of pressure for her. But we managed to do, you know, what we could. But, you know, that's still six months you can't, you can't get rid of your kids. You know, I can't, I can't take that back.

And that's something that's going to eat me up to this day. But, you know, I also looked at it as, look, it was a humbling experience. It taught me a lesson. Definitely. So, no, man, that's what's up. That's what's what? That's what, John Lynch? John Lynch, right?

John Lynch and the owner of San Francisco, man. They were the right way. Yeah. They definitely did. They always look out for you, so it was worth it, man. That's awesome. I'm happy about that. You spoke about your son Gunner taking his first steps doing the NFC

championship. Yeah. You also went crazy. Yep. Doing the NFC championship. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, so. Two hundred, twenty yards.

Yeah. Three tubs. Yeah. Doing that game at what point did it, like, hit you that, like, yo, like, because I watched the game. So I watched the game, and I remember every time you touched the ball, it was then their first down or a touchdown. Yeah. And I'm just thinking to myself, like, I wanted to ask you, did you black out? Because I can see this flip get switched.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, take me, take us back to, like, what, what that felt like? It was like, you know, going into that game, man, I really wasn't even a starting running back. You know, Tevin Coleman, shout out to Teh, T. Cole, T.R. He ended up getting hurt, had a shoulder injury. And so I was the next man up. Yeah, and so I knew the game plan, obviously, and I knew that I had to go in there, you know,

with the same attitude as every other game, you know, just going there and dominate as much as you can. And, yeah, I went into that game, scored the first touchdown. and I feel like everything after that was just a history. Yeah. I feel like it blacked out. You know, when you get in that moment, you're like, oh, I'm on my, I'm on my game right now. It's time to roll.

That's how it was for me. Like, I was like, you know what? No, let's keep this thing going. They keep, they keep feeding me to rock. I'm going to do something with it. That's what I got to do. Man, it was excited. It was excited to see, you know, I think that was also Aaron Rogers's last game in Green Bay.

and you damn to end up my man career little kid I ain't Aaron ain't been the same since bro Not me and ARO We're actually good buddies He comes down here

We hang out Me him Jordan Poir You know we're all We're all good friends And so Last year It was his birthday

We got to celebrate on the boat And he still talks about it To this day He's like I can't stand you You took me out of winning another Super Bowl You know, so he just gives me crap all the time And I'm like, bro, I'm sorry

I don't know what to tell you You got you listen, I know They call me playoff Lenny You know But you should have been you should have been playoff heen Right Definitely with the numbers You know you was

Pro Bowl selection 2019 NFC Championship record Yeah I don't You don't find that That's not That's not usual man

Yeah no I mean You know when Like I was just sitting there just I was just playing a game. I wasn't really noticing about a record or anything like that until they actually brought it up at the end of the game.

And then, you know, I mean, this guy, this is playoff Lenny for show. You know, I'm sitting next to playoff Lenny, though. That's, yeah. Nah, I mean, you know, once you get that, once you get that itch, bro, it's like, yeah. Anything, though, anything you do,

it's like, once you get that itch or you find out what's working, you know, you're like, oh, yeah, we got to keep it going. So, given the fans, the viewers a perspective, right? You're not starting, right? and how do you keep dialed in right i i've had experience of being the number two and my role

for that whole season was kind of to me wasn't my thing right yeah playing behind someone being the number one my entire life backing someone up can you give them the week the week by week mindset is you come into the the organization each and every week to practice like down Number two, let me try to fix my role, fix my attitude, knowing that I'm probably better than the person in front of me. You know what I'm saying? Can you try to give them that glimpse because they don't understand, some people want to understand that in the outside of the football world?

Can you understand, like, give them your mindset or not? And that's a great question. You know, I think that, you know, when you're dealing with, and it goes with anything in life, you know, whether you are, you know, a guy that's, you know, washing dishes and a restaurant to the guy that's managing the tables to the guy that, you know, is owning the building of the restaurant. Everybody has to have the same mentality and the same ultimate goal, right, is to accomplish as much as they possibly can in their specific role. And so for me, you know, I've always looked at it as, yeah, I was the guy, you know, in high school, Pop Warner.

College was, I was starting to become the guy. But, you know, there was other guys that were in that role that were the guy. And so, you know, when you coming into the league, you also have to have that, me, I feel like you have to have that mentality of, look, even if you're not the guy, you still got to be ready because your number can get called at any moment. And so it's up to you what you do with that moment. Are you going to either grasp that moment and take it by the tenfold, or are you going to just let that moment, you know, whisk you away and then you ride off into the sunset and you don't get anything out of it? You know what I mean? So for me, I've always had that approach of like, okay, if people see me as a one or two, I'm still me at the end of the day.

So I got to produce something when I'm out there as a one, as a two, as a three, or even in that case when I was coming into that year when we went to the Super Bowl and I had that record, I was the number four running back. Wow. I was really the number. I can tell you every running back that was ahead of me that year. Tavenan Coleman, Matt Breeder, Jared McKinnon. And then I was a fourth running back.

So my mindset was like, I mean, I love my boys. You know, we, I'm a fight for them always. You know, we still talk to this day. And we share moments and life goes on. But at the end of the day, I got to, when my number calls, when they say number 31, it's your time, it's my time. Like, I'm not looking back. Yeah.

You know what I mean? So that's the difference between, you know, somebody that is in the shadows and they don't really see the, light, but then you also have to realize, like, your light's coming. It's just in a different pathway. You know what I mean? So that's where you have to, that's where you have to separate yourself. Yeah. I think that's a mindset, which you just spoke about. I think that's a mindset that most players should be having, right? Like, most times when you get drafted to the NFL, unless you're getting drafted first, maybe second round, like, you're probably not going to

start or right away, right? Yeah. And I think it's a lost art when guys get in positions, you know, and your story is a testament to that and get positions where, yeah, I do feel like I can compete as a starter. I do feel like, you know, yeah, they're my boys, but I kind of should be in that rotation, right? Or I should be leading that charge. And I've seen so many players. I know from the receiver's position, I'm sure you guys have as well, right, seeing players where they get in that position and they stop working as hard. Yeah. They get in that position, they stop showing up early.

They get in that position they stop learning. They stop maturing, right? They stop loving the game. And from when I hear you speak about, like, your mentality was always like, my time is coming. I don't know when, but I'm going to be ready. Is that something that was always instilled in you? Yeah, I was always instilled in you since when. I mean, even growing up, you know, I felt like I've always had, I didn't always have the upper advantage.

You know, I've always had to work for everything that came my way. And that was something that, you know, I tell people all the time, like, I wasn't spoon-fed. I didn't have a silver spoon. My family, you know, didn't come from much of anything. And, you know, I was just some beachside kid, you know, that just was trying to get away from all the trouble, right? And for me, I felt like my getaway was obviously an outlet, which is football. You know, that should be everybody's getaway. some point you should find your getaway so that way you can excel in it and and thrive and

and really you know put yourself out there and for me that's what I was able to do um early on in my in my life I didn't have a father figure I didn't you know my my mom wasn't really all that much of a mom it was more so like you know I just I just got to figure this out when I when I do become a man and if I do you know graduate my biggest thing was graduation. I felt like if I got an education, at least that would get me started. It'll give me a chance to figure out what I want to do in life. And so that's the reason why I went to Purdue. I could have gone to Florida. I could have gone to Miami. I had offers from them, but I wanted to get away too. I wanted to step out of Florida. I felt like Florida was just not

ideal for me as a young man where I wanted to be. And so going to Purdue and, you know, graduating with a business management degree gave me that extra confidence, I guess you could say, to realize, hey, look, it's not just football, it's life in general. You can thrive in whatever you want to do. You just have to put the time and effort.

And I felt like by me growing up the way I did, seeing how everything was around me, it made me all that more to get away, you know what I mean, to find an outlet or to find a purpose. and yeah just get out of the state. And that led to that mentality of just, you know, no matter what. No matter what.

Next man up, starter, whatever it is. My approach is to see. Listen, when you're in good football states, like, you know, y'all in Louisiana, right? Yeah. Y'all got some good football there. Great best. Great, great football. Hold on.

Hold on. We don't say good. Great football. Compared to what I'm used to. Right, right. It's good. Yeah. We had this argument last time.

Finally, we got a Florida guy that can speak for Florida. Okay. From the north all the way to south. But when you're dealing with, you know, guys that are on that level of, I mean, I had like, my junior senior year, we had like at least 30-something D-1 guys that honestly got offered. Yeah. Right? But they just didn't know what to do with it because they were just either dumb.

They didn't realize what they had or, like, they didn't want to work that hard. They thought it was just going to sit, come in their lap and come easy. Come easy. You know what I mean? So me, I was like, you know what? I saw what they were doing. I'm like, man, I'm good. I know where I want to go.

Going this way. I'm going this way. I don't want to follow them. And so, you know, seeing that and then also being like, you know what, I also realize what my family's like. Yeah. I don't have parents like that. Like I don't have, I can't call my mom or my pops up right now and be like, hey, I just got off, you know, fourth and south. You know, I can't do that.

You know, I can do that for my in-laws because they're closer to me, you know what I mean? But that's what I also realized, like, a broken family. That's something that I don't want to happen in my life. And so finding my wife and, you know, having her and her having my back, I'm having her back, you know, and that's why we have kids. So, you know, us doing our research, right? There was an incident that happened when you were younger with your step pops, right? Can you go into more depth about that? I mean, we could explain it, but you're here.

Can you go into depth about that? What happened? Yeah. You know, my junior year in college, my little brother got shot by his dad. So it was the guy that, you know, I was calling my dad for the longest time. I was just coming back from the national championship and track. And yeah, it was Father's Day. I had called him up, and I was like,

hey, happy Father's Day. Wow. Just giving them those kudos and everything like that. And go out there, bro, I do. Damn near wasting my time just being out there on the track because I ended up placing like eighth and the hundred, four by one. I don't even know.

My team didn't even compete. You know, it was kind of rough. But so flying back to Chicago, you know, I'm getting a whole bunch of texts and calls, you know, my homeboy. You'll meet one of my homeboys. If you ever get a chance to meet, his name is Samson. Bro, he's straight, like, straight horseback riding, country folk. You know, he toads guns, like, all that stuff, right?

That's what he does. That's his fish and everything. He's calling me up, like, crying. I'm like, bro, why are you, why are you crying? Like, I know you are the manliest of men that I know. like in our age group and you crying. What's going on? And he's like, yeah, bro, I don't know how to tell you this

but your little brother got shot. And I'm like, by who? He's like, by your dad? And I was like, oh, like, that moment I was like, damn, like I couldn't believe it, you know what you're saying? I just called the guy up and told him, happy father's day. And now I get a call from my homeboy saying that my brother's been airlifted to the hospital. He got shot four or five times by him.

And at that moment, I was like, man, I can either leave my situation right now and go figure out what's going on back home or thank God I had my track coach. He literally grabbed me and was like, you ain't going nowhere. Like you're staying here with me. And that's a good thing. You know, I think off emotion, you know, a lot of us in emotional states in our life, you know, you probably wouldn't be here. Yeah, exactly. You know, because that's your blood, that's your little brother.

Yeah. You know, and by me being an older brother, you know, I understand. And the protection, also the responsibility you have towards him, right? You try to, we try to lead our younger brothers the entire way. That's the biggest thing for me. My brother was always with me. That's why I never smoked a drink. Right.

So how can I tell him not to smoke a drink when I'm doing it? Right. And I'm his role model, right? Right. So I'm glad your coach did that. Because Rahim wouldn't be playoff Rahim without that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

And that was the thing. You know, everybody has a turning point, right? True. You have a turning point. You're like, whether you realize it or not. And so that could have been an easy turnip point where I put in so far, you know, I got two years of academics left. You know, I'm trying to be the first person to graduate in my family.

I'm trying to do all this thing, all these right stuff. But I could have easily got a, you know, I had, I don't know, at the time you get that Pell Grant money, right? You know what I mean? You got that Pell Grant money. So you get that Pell Grant money. I got it in my account just sitting, waiting for like an emergency or something like that. Now, I could have used that last little bit that I had that year. Catch a flight home.

Catch a flight home back to Daytona and, you know, find out what the hell is going on in the situation back in my house. But, you know, I do think my coach, Coach Green, man, he really changed my mindset. He was like, like, like, God fair man, I'm telling you right now. you ain't going nowhere. Like, we're going to keep you on this bus, and you're going to ride to Purdue, and we're going to get it figured out. I'm going to make sure you stay updated, whatever you need, you know, but just know that, you know, we're going to do this thing the right way.

Yeah. And you mentioned that being a ton of point. Did you feel like during that time, like, what became the new mindset, right? Like, what became the new shift, you know, obviously wanting to be there to support your brother, wanting to understand what's going on. Yeah. Right? And then Coach Green tells you it's not safe to go home.

Yeah. Yeah. The point was when I got that phone call from my brother. Yeah. When he was laid up in the hospital bed, you know, he called me up and he was like, hey him, I'm good. Don't worry about me. I'm like, bro, you sure?

Like, he's like, yeah, I'm good. So when he said that, I was like, you know what? All right. Well, if he see the vision too, then it's all the more reason to keep going. You know, if he said he's going to be good, you know, then I can't do much else. Yeah, yeah. I guess I think, too, as like, I think we first generation, you know, change makers in our family, right? I think sometimes it does get lost of, like, the weight that comes with it, right?

You mentioned, you know, the whole going to play for the, going and run complete for the national championship, getting a call that same day that your brother's been shot. He's in the hospital. Leonard went through something very similar with his pops. I know myself personally, you know, I went through things, you know, through my high school journey that I could not be sitting here as well, right? Could you maybe talk about when you reflect now on being a first generation of change maker and your family, like just the weight of every decision, every financial,

decision, every thought, you know, how you raise your kids today. Yeah. Yeah. It's, um, you know, I, I'm glad you brought that up about the weight because like sometimes you, you don't really realize there's so much weight on your shoulders as a, as a, as a person, you know, or as an older sibling or as a, as a man, right? Right. So like, you get that moment to, you know, you finally can exhale. And I felt like when I graduated college, that was like my exhaling moment because I, I, I finally, something that hasn't been done in my family. Like my mom went to some community college and dropped out after the first semester,

you know, or second semester, whatever. And then the guy that I, you know, was calling my dad for the longest of time. He didn't, he was just a construction worker, you know, he didn't, he was good at basketball. He was known around the area that to be a hell of a basketball player. And that was pretty much it, you know what I mean? So just having that mindset of. of what I wanted to do and my vision and once it actually happened,

I think that that was like the biggest weight on my shoulders that just felt completely off. Yeah. Because I was, you know, not to say that I was content, but it was like, wow, like, you know, college is hard in itself. I don't come from, I didn't come from a, like, a academic background.

Me either. Thank God for the study hall. Thank God for study hall and advisors. I went to college for football, my brother. Period. It's like I'm sure. everybody else to you know and football gives you that outlet you know you get a full-rise scholarship and I just so happen to be you know at least have a good head on my shoulders to actually

accomplish what I wanted to accomplish you know what I mean but yeah it was it's one of those things where you know you get in that that position where you get that weight lifted off your shoulders you're like I can finally breathe you know I'm I finally did it but there's still more to be done right now it's it's about the people that surround me who's who's who's making the most impact and sometimes like you said it gets lost in translation it gets it gets lost in the fact that nowadays you know you got I mean we can go into this topic about the NIL stuff I'm glad they're making money but like now you could go from one school to the next the year after you know losing a championship or a year after it doesn't work out into the portal

it just doesn't give guys the opportunity now to you know at least stay with a university that committed, you know, not just monetary, but, you know, in so many other aspects. Yeah. I think you hit it. I think it's the commitment, right? It's the commitment to the commitment. You know, if I said I'm going to Purdue, if I said I'm going to LSU. Word is everything.

Yeah, that's where I'm thugging it out at. Like, that's, see, look, when my coach got fired at the end of my sophomore year, so I could, I had that one little window where I could transfer, and I know, I know Urban Meyer. I was going to go to Ohio State. At the time, my wife was my girlfriend, and she's from Ohio. It would have been easier for her, but she was like, man, I hate Ohio State. She grew up a big Ohio State, like, hated. She's like, all my friends went there.

Like, all I hear is OH, like, no, I'm good. I don't want nothing to do with Buckeyes. And I looked at it. I was like, but hey, look, I got great coach, Urban Meyer, like, right around the corner. You know what I mean? and he's come to my high school numerous times. Dallas Baker is like a good friend of mine. He was my coach, you know, when they played at Florida.

And so I had a great connection. I'm thinking about transferring. But like you said, that commitment, you know, I was committed to the university. Yeah, we might not be much of anything of football, but at least I'm going to get a good academic. Yeah, no, you stayed the course. I stayed the course. You stayed the course.

I think Leonard mentioned something about that in NIL. in one of our first shows we talked a little bit about how, you know, the competition like isn't there, right? Like, it's gonna, it is one of those things where kids are now having that out

based on financials. Based on, oh, I can go here and start now. I can go and we're talking about how like at LSU, it was like, you had to wait in, you had to wait in line. Like, you wasn't, most times, most time or not, if you were

a freshman, you wouldn't play unless you was, you know, number one player in the state, two-time Gatorade player. But even then, but even then, Leonard had to. I waited. Yeah, I had to wait, right? You know, in the SEC, the level of play is faster. It's something you have to get used to, especially at running back, right? We're running backs, right?

We're not used to blocking Mike Will going to Sam, right? We used to just getting the ball in high school and just fucking running doing our thing. Now the whole dynamic of the game has changed. It's not about you. You know, you're in high school. You're in high school. The offense is based on you. Right?

So now you got to worry about the concepts. You know, you got to know this run go with this path. This path goes to this run. So this is the whole dynamic of the offensive level has changed. And also speaking of NIL, like I told you when you're saying, they're running away from competition. That's the biggest thing right now. You just, listen, you just said, right? You have the NFC record.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. You was fourth. I was fourth. Coming in that year, I was fourth. I was fourth running back on the depth chart. And that goes back on the depth chart.

And that goes back when I'm saying, it made you who you are. Yeah. You went down that grit, you grind. Bruh. People don't understand. Those type of trials make you who you are. Yeah. Right?

And speaking on the trials, right, I know you play for a lot of teams in the NFL. Right? like what would help you not walk away from the game because I know that was kind of stressful it was pissing you off like it'll be it'll be yeah I'm trying to tell you like I know it'll be some seasons where uh where in your mind during training camp you're doing well doing well you know what you know they they oh man we need your iPad tapping the show they coach want to talk to you can can you go through that why didn't you step away through all those trials and situations you kept going through yeah yeah um the reason why I guess I guess The reason why I guess I didn't step away, you know, especially early on, the first two years of my career, I was like, excuse my French, it was a shit show. Yeah. It was like I was getting cut left and right. You know, I was on seven different teams my two years. Listen, man said seven.

Seven teams. My two years. Yeah. I just mentioned to him. I was his teammate, my rookie year. He was like, you were? And he didn't know. He didn't know.

He didn't know. He was crazy. It was in and out. Hey, I'm sorry, but, wait, but you know what the NFL, and I think this kind of gets, it doesn't get lost in translation, but maybe it does. It does. That, that it's a revolving door. It is. It's so many people come in and out.

I ain't going to say coaches, but player-wise? Player mostly, yeah. Bro, you get a, you get a damnit a new teammate every week. Every week. Every what, Wednesday? Every Tuesday is tryouts. Somebody trying out every Tuesday for your job, even if you're doing well. Yeah.

And I don't think people. Wednesday got new. I'm like new iPad new iPad new number new number new locker mate who this man I'm telling you bro who it is that's crazy bro and you said bro like see I haven't I haven't been through that right yeah in my in my years in the NFL but can you talk about that like this you're going from learning one playbook to the next and you have to learn it in what two week a week span week span yeah a week yeah no it was a yeah I mean the playbooks me I felt like I've always been

that type of player where I can adjust to any type of playbook because just based on my playing skills, right? My playing assets and what I could bring. But, I mean, it is tough though, but you also got to think that, you know,

when I was a rookie or my second year, like, special teams was like my reason why I had to be on a team. It wasn't like, man, I didn't get my running back action until like my fourth year. Like, I didn't, I didn't really, I got to carry my second year. Right. Yeah, it was a six-yard carry of the last game of the season against Seattle.

So my average for the year is six yards. You know what I mean? So I popped off. Hey, that it gets in the hall. That shit is good. That's a whole year. Yeah. A whole year.

Well, I got one rush for six yards. So it was a work in progress. But, you know, at the same time, it was like, I got to figure out these special teams. That's how I'm going to make my cash. That's how I'm going to get on the field and make my playing time. I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that. When I first came to Miami, I didn't start right away.

Yeah. I was an R5 on kickoff, kickoff returner, a gunner. And you're a punt returner. And a punt returner when I first entered the league. And I remember to this day, man, coach Terrence McGahey, my special teams coach at LSU, former giant special. team coach telling us that if you want to make the team in NFL special teams special team you have to play special teams and I remember

thinking like I'm a dog like hey no you know what I mean like whatever you're gonna be a dog special team but also I'm like I'm like you know what if this is the way to make the make the team yeah and and be effective and make a play right then this is what I'm going to do and I did it through through college and I made a couple plays my freshman year and then I get to the league and I'm thinking like bro I'm a second round pick yeah like ain't no way I'm about to be playing special teams yeah true and then Darren Rizzie Riz my guy Riz my guy we got into it a couple of times but man there's so much love there because he just wants the best out of you right and I remember him being like hey like you are R5 like you run it out on kickoffs I don't care when you was drafted

I don't care what position you play like special teams if you want to make this team a rookie, this is what you got to do. So I feel you on the whole special team thing. Have you ever played a special team, Lenny? I played in college. No, in the NFL. Did you run out on kickoff anything? No.

See, that boy, favorite, boy. You don't even know what it is like to go bust up a wedge. I understand because obviously we had, and I try to, and I try to speak into the young guys now, right? Even when I go back to talk to LSU, I'm like, listen, I want you to understand this, if y'all not, That guy, y'all needs to be working on special teams. 100%.

Yeah. 100%. Because it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, very important part in the NFL. Oh, 100%. It is. You know, it makes him break games sometimes. If you're not the, if you're not the first round, top five, top 10 pick, you're likely, you're going to be playing, right? They're choosing you to change the organization.

Yeah. But y'all kind of had, to me, I think the second third rounders have kind of like a head step over. Yeah. guys that's first round because guess what now we in later our careers we never we never block on no kick return or run down as no gunner right y'all they all did both of them so y'all kind of have the experience that's why some guys careers last longer than first round picks yeah and i i hate to bring him up like that but my time in cleveland was duke johnson duke was like the perfect example duke was a dog too he was a dog and he'll tell you straight up i'm not playing no special

teams like no it's not what I'm not what I'm doing and he's like I want to be a third down back that's all he wanted to do like that was it he had his own vision for it yeah he had his own vision y'all use me this way yeah only yeah I'm gonna be a third down back that's it but guess what certain guys like you know I play with giovanni bernard he was he was out third guy he was out third down guy but he also plays special teams too yeah right so when you get caught up in that them type of games it's not going to last long Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what?

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Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And we were thinking I'm originally calling it. One of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was...

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Right. I think also for younger players out there, you could speak to this as a testimony, as a testament, because most times playing special teams keeps you on the field, keeps you on the roster. Until your actual time comes at your position to make a difference. Yeah. And then you get paid. Yeah, right? Like, it's a whole process.

It's not one of those things that, like, you know, you just get to the league, you know, it's no bench really, no practice squad bench. You're not just on the bench, like where in college you got 90 players on the roster. Yeah. There's only 56, I think, what is, 63 slots? That's it? You know what I mean? And most times, 63?

64. 64? They changed it with the COVID rule, right? Yeah. So, so most times, most times, if you're not playing on special teams, you know, teams, you didn't make practice squad, you're probably sitting on the couch. Yeah. Like, even though you got drafted to play receiver for our team, like, can you talk about,

can you talk about guys out there or younger players? There's about to be a draft here in a couple weeks, right? About guys, maybe speak to guys that, you know, maybe are at the end of the draft, right? You are an undrafted guy, right? And now you're going into your 11th season, 12 season, right? You play more seasons than I have. My dog got that pincha. Right, right.

No, he's fully vested. Fully vested. Everything else is a bonus right now. Right. Can you speak to, can you speak to, you know, this next incoming generation of draft picks about how important it is to do your 11th and still get better in your position? Yeah. Right? But also maybe playing special teams until your time comes.

Yeah, especially for the guys that are in the later round. I feel like, you know, when the first two rounds, there's an expectation. I mean, y'all know, right? There's, like, you have an expectation to be, you know, in the running to be either the starter, rotation, you know, you're damn sure a role player. Yeah, you get some burn. You get them. You're getting some time.

Yeah. But, like, anything after that, you know, I feel like it could be up in air, depending on how a coach views you, depending on how you fit within the scheme. Yep. You know, it's all relative in that aspect. I feel like, you know, especially with the guys that are later on in, you know, in those draft picks, you know, and undrafted, I feel like you have a better chance to figure out what your, what your, your, your scene's going to be. Where you're going to be like me. I came in.

I knew that Philly was like a best fit for me because at the time it was Chip Kelly's offense. Yeah. He just came from Oregon. Spread. Spread. You know, no huddle. Yeah. Speed.

Speed, fast. You know, every, you know, you catch out the, I can catch out the back field. I'm good. Yeah. But then I also realized who he, who was on the roster with me. We had DeMarco Murray, Ryan Matthews, Darren Sproles. So that's three-headed monsters already. Nobody's getting rid of Darren Sproles.

Right. Darren Sproles, yeah, he's, he could do everything. Yes, sir. You want to talk about special teams. Man's got probably the most, you know, return. yards, combo, you know, rushing and receiving. All purpose, yeah. All purpose in the NFL.

Yeah. History. Yeah. Then you got Ryan Matthews, who's, he was a dog too, you know, and then, and then DeMarco Murray. A dog. Yeah. Straight dog.

You know, so I came into that situation. I'm like, hey, look, well, they knew that I was, I had to play special teams. And sometimes it just has to work like that. You have to find the best fit for you if you are at least an undrafted guy. But when you're a draft, but when you're a draft, you really have no choice. You don't have a choice, but you do have a choice in how you practice,

how you play, how you prepare, how you prepare to be in those roles, to be in rotation. Now, there's some guys that, you know, I've been on a team, you know, with the Niners, they drafted a running back,

and then next thing you know, he was second, third round, they just try to hang on to him as much as they can to show that, you know, we didn't make a mistake. But they made the mistake. And so. hate that and it's and it's tough too because like you don't want that to happen to a guy that you

you know you're battling against and battling with yeah also a guy who you also build a relationship with right exactly somebody you kind of take under your wing you're trying to help trying to guide you know to be the best he can be but unfortunately in some circumstances uh it's hard man it's hard when you have to compete for a job and you got a roster spot and you and you got love and you build this type of bond and love in your room and to see that happens, you know what I'm saying? It's like... But think about this, though.

If we were all on a team, right, and we bonded with everybody on that team, you would have 90 brothers on a roster or whatever the max is, and you wouldn't want that to change because you're like, look, like, I was just with the Raiders this past year, and we had a 90-man roster.

I felt like we could legit go to war. Like, everybody, was cool. Everybody, you know, we all hung out together. We all were playing golf. We all were, you know, showing up to each other's events and everything like that. But when you have to dwindle that down into, you know, 64-man roster, you know, 53 active, 46-active, 53 on, you know, the team is tricky because now you're fighting not just in your position, but you're also fighting with what the coaches are, how they're feeling about you. You're fighting politics.

Politics. Definitely. Everything. And that's the biggest battle, the politics, right? I know I was on team with guys, brother. I know that was quiet. You know, it was chill. But to the upper guys, that's an attitude problem.

He don't speak. He don't talk. You know, so. Not good for the culture. Not good for the culture. So when I say that for the younger guys who's coming in, get to know the front office. Yeah.

That's one of the biggest things you have to do. Get to know the front office. office, get to know the people that's going to control the narrative of your career. And it's okay, too. Like, I mean, what I like to do, and I've done it for years is, like, bro, I go up and I make sure I introduce myself to every, every, everybody that's important. Like, it could be the person that's cleaning up, you know, the cafeteria. I want, I want to meet them because I know that they have a purpose in the building.

Like, they're here for a reason. And you never know. Sometimes, you know, those, those relationships. relationships, those lasting effects can carry you a long way. Like, you know, I, I truly believe that you should never burn a bridge, you know, never burn. No matter how much you despise a person, no matter how much you, like, if you really are not messing with that person, okay, I understand you're burning that bridge and you're doing it for the betterment or, you know, your family, yourself, whatever. But most of the time, you know, everybody is intertwined somehow, some way. You just got to keep that positive attitude and not burn that bridge. Yeah, you know, I struggle with that a little bit about knowing the game and understanding the game and then knowing that there's a game within the game, right? Definitely. And we all have played with a guy named Adama Kinsu, who is a genius, you know, when it comes to, you know, how he's handled his business on and off the field.

And I remember him telling me that when I was with the dolphins. I remember him saying like, there's a game within the game, Jarvis. Like, there's the game, and then there's the game within the game. And I never really understood what he meant until I got to the New Orleans Saints. And then I started realizing that, like, you were talking about, the GMs want to be right about, you know, certain players, right? You know, I realized being that I knew football, I realized, okay, normally on third down, I am the first option

Now on third down I'm the fifth option I'm the fourth option And there's no explanation coming Right And you still got to show up And go to work right I think for the younger guys out there

You guys both hit it about Making sure you're introducing yourself To the right people Always I think I think the biggest thing To back that dealt with is just you're worth that thick. I think don't let what's happening in those situations,

whether you're not getting the ball, you're not getting enough playing time, whatever it is, you know, be the reason that you don't show up and work hard or be the reason where now they can control your narrative with another team or another organization, other coaches, you know, because, you know, they click tight, right? And now you have this aura on you that you've got to hope somebody take a chance on because, you know, you had a bad reputation over here, right? And the thing is, too, is, like, people in the league,

they don't, like, people in the league know, but outside the league, you don't really understand it, but, like, the league talks. Like, everybody, everybody talks. Like, whether they're supposed to or not supposed to. In general, everybody, like, can, they talk about you. Yeah.

They talk for you. talk against you. They talk good about you, talk bad about you. Eventually, word spreads around the entire league that, oh, well, you know, heme is this. Heem, you know, one day he was on a little power trip because he was this, that, and the other. I mean, I was just, you know, frustrated the fact that it, I didn't have it this way, you know, and sometimes that could be against you, and then they could say, well, he's a hell of a teammate. I'm damn sure going to be a hell of a teammate because that's who I am. But, you know, when it comes down to it, like the young guys also got to understand that everybody in the league, you know, all the teams talk to one another, you know, and they share information and good, better, and different.

But you got to be that person that they don't talk as much about, you know, just stay out of the light all the time and do your work and, you know, and be a good teammate and good locker room guy. That's what most teams like anyway. And I'm glad you said about your experience with the Saints. I went through that my last year in Tampa, right? It's gone back, right? Once again, Tampa didn't draft me. They brought in a young guy Rashad, Rashad White. And of course, they don't want, they don't want to feel, I guess, awkward about picking

somebody that doesn't play at all, you know, because it's a bad look on the guys who was drafted people, right? And I didn't understand that until after my, after my, after my, my career, right? Just coming in and understanding that it's a business just like you say what Sue told you.

Like I didn't, I didn't understand that, right? I'm so used to being a guy my entire life from Yehai to here and it didn't quite register with me being a number two. Right? I took it

and I took it personal which I shouldn't have, right? I should have played the game, which I've always had a problem with, right? That's kind of a stigma that was on me from Jacksonville, too. And it's for the young guys that's going to watch this, and that's probably one of my biggest regrets. Not playing a game, if I feel like if I would have played the game more, I still would have been a lead.

Obviously, you still would have been the lead, right? But my tolerance for fakeness, I can't take it. I can't take fake shit, right? And people don't know, I told Tampa to let me go. I'm like, I see that the direction y'all guys are gone. Y'all want to Rashad to be the number one and me kind of be the number two. Mentally, I wasn't prepared for that, right?

And guys like, you know, yourself who went to a similar situation, you just said you was number four runnerback, right? I know in my mind, I could probably, I probably wouldn't take that shit, like being number four. Trust me. Right, that's what I'm saying. And being from one, wasn't easy.

Like, even being from one to two, right? So I'm glad we are saying this now to the young guys, because, you know, people told us this, told me this, obviously. And at the time, it wasn't registered into my brain. I didn't understand it. But now that I'm older, and now that I see, but also what I'm not going to do,

I didn't burn bridges, right? Because, you know, what if one of our sons playing the NFL, and I don't want that shit to fall back on them? Yeah. So. He has that stigma of his daddy. I had to leave.

They already looking for it. Yes. Yes. So I left for my own terms. I thanked everybody. Then I just moved on. So I'm glad you said that because like that was one of my biggest things is playing, playing the game.

You know what? And for you to even come out and say that, that shows like the maturity level in regards to how you see the game now. Yeah. Right. And how you could help, you know, the next generation of guys. You know, yeah, there's going to be some guys. that's the number one always been number one, but they ain't the number one like how

Lenny was the number one. And so for you to come out and be like, you know what, now this is what my mindset was when I was in Tampa. And then you're also coping with that too. So that shows the maturity that you have now that you've learned the game within the game and how you could help other people that are going to potentially be in that role that you were once in, that you're helping them too. So, and it, and I see it like this, like for, because I never even heard a guy in, like, in your caliber, you know, the way you, you've always been the number one guy, never heard a guy come out and admit, you know, in the simple fact that, oh, it, it was hard for me.

Like, it was, I couldn't, I couldn't see number two like that. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, like, like I said, that for you to say that, it was like, damn, that actually hit me for a minute. I was like, oh, shit. Like, damn. That meant a lot to you. I can tell it.

That weight, like we all talked about, right? That weight that just came off your shoulders and admitted that, yeah. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, a wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name? Hey Jonas, guys.

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say,

Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

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And all these going to hit They all gonna hit All gonna hit. All gonna hit facts All right Number two Yukon versus number three Illinois is who you got I'm going with Yukon

They upset They beat Duke And that's why it's March madness This shit is madness right now It's madness right now So I'm gonna go with Yukon I love the head coach, his demeanor. He is a menace how he got in a rough face with a jacket almost falling off.

Yeah. Just in his, I'm like, yeah, yeah, we need that. He wanted it as bad as the players. That's the energy we need for marshmallow. I love it. I love it. I love it. All right, number one, Arizona versus number one, Michigan.

Who you pick? I got to go with AZ. I have to go with Arizona. They play, the defense is amazing. Yeah. Also, you know, one of the Michigan guys made a statement and kind of got no Mr. Jalen rules attention about, you know, we may be the best, we may be the best Michigan team that is.

We're about to find out. That was Mr. Roles said, we're going to find out. Win it. Yeah. Win it. So right now, I'm going Arizona. I love that. You never go against the greats.

You never go against the greats, right? So, easy it is. Yes, sir. Number one versus number one, that should be a great game. Okay, so you got Yukon, Arizona going to the championship. Who wins? Yukon. you can all the way

yukon all away and and let me you know if i'm projecting doing the right thing i think the girls yukin girls going to win too oh my goodness yes another year another year of history for yukon that'd be crazy that'd be amazing hey coach if you see this man send liny a jersey man

yes he need this and make sure y'all lock in your picks locking your picks and coach when you do send it i want it to be number seven uh-huh i'm gonna hold it down for the hood i'm gonna hold it down for y'all Man, that's Lenny's Locks, presented by Hard Rock Betts. And, you know, we're going to turn the page. And speaking on influences, right, in your life, you said, you know, father, you know, your mother, you know, there wasn't really your parents. Who were some of him influences in his life and why he's the reason he's the man he is today?

Yeah. Great question. You know, I had a, my first ever football coach. He was also like the Pop Warner GM around the area in the community, right? His name was Mike Stokes. We called him Coach Porchop. He was like a real hillbilly, redneck guy. He always came and he always chewed his dip and everything like that.

But he always looked out for the kiddos. Like he was, that was his. And so he took me under his wing. He took me, you know, and he called me his son. You know what I mean? And so, you know, yeah. He was probably the biggest influence because he instilled, you know, grit, toughness, what it takes to be a man at an early age, how to handle your business correctly, you know, do everything that you possibly can. And one of his saying was keep chopping.

His nickname was port chop, called Coach Chop. So he said, keep chopping, keep chopping that wood, knock that tree down. That's an old saying. Yeah. So, yeah, he was a big influence in my life. You know, I got to just spend so much time with him. You know, he'd bring me over to his countryside house. And, you know, funny, he used to call these things called swamp apes.

It was like the mythical, like, you know, a little swamp monster that, you know, as a little kid growing up, we'd stay at the tent. You scared of him. But, no, he taught us to be tough. though, conquer that swamp egg, you know, so he was a big influence. And then obviously my wife, I felt like, you know, even when I was, I tell the joke all the time, when I was riding a bench, you know, riding a pond at Purdue, when things wasn't really going, the way I, you know, I envisioned it, the reason why I signed up, she always had that, that attitude of like, you know, effort, keep going, like, do your thing. Even when I got, even when I got cut by Cleveland, you know, Cleveland, bro.

It was like, you know, at the time it was like one of the worst teams to be a part of. I got, I got released by Cleveland. I made the 53-man roster. You know, I went out that night, celebrated. I went to High Park over in Crocker. Yeah. Went to High Park. Got the little, the fried lobster with the little, the sweet.

You wouldn't know nothing about that. Yeah, he don't know anything about that. Yeah, so celebrated that night. Had a nice little steak dinner with me and my family. my in-laws and my wife and the next day it was it was my wife's bridal shower you know I just proposed her the year

before my rookie year and so it was the same day I got cut from the Browns and so I had to call my father-in-law up and you know explain to him because he was with the girls at the bridal shower had to call him up and be like hey Kev I don't know how to tell you this but you know

I don't want to ruin the girls' day or nothing like that but I just got released by the Browns Can you, bro, can you tell, because I've been released from Jacksonville, right? Can you how hurtful that is, man? Like, it's a, it's a hurtful, it's a hurtful-ass feeling, man. It is, especially when you make the roster. Like, I made the roster, you know, I was, I felt like I did everything right. I felt like, you know, I was, did everything I possibly could to earn that spot.

Yep. And I messed up by celebrating. I feel like I messed up by having that dinner. I feel that. But, yeah, no, it was. It's one of those things, man, you just, you get released and you like, really? Like, I wasn't good enough for this. Like, you know, I put in the time and the effort and the hours, dedication.

You know, I spent time away from my girl, you know, like my people that I love to go in this organization and do right by them. Like, you know. Who was the running backs there at the time? Do you remember? Duke Johnson, Isaiah Crowell, Glenn Winston. And we had another running back, Terrell. Crowell, wasn't his number 20 something? Isaiah Crowwell, he was a Georgia running back.

Yeah, came from Georgia. Yeah. I remember him. I mean, initially his career started all pretty strong. Yeah, it did. But obviously, it didn't last long. But yeah, man, it's crazy, you know, hearing your story, doing some research about your story, like all of the highs and lows, right? And you sit here today, like, as a calm man.

Yeah. Right. I mean, I've always been calm, cool, calm and collective. Like, it takes a lot for me to get ready. I'd be stressed out. I ain't going to lie. Trust me, that night when I had to talk with my wife after her bridal shower, I looked there in the eyes.

We sat on that couch and cried our Crocker apartment. And I asked her, I said, like, what should I do? Because I'm thinking about just hanging this shit up. Like, I was really on edge. Because, you know, I've already, I got cut by, you know, Eagles, Dolphins, Baltimore, Cleveland. I was like, man, it's over with. You know, it's crazy. I respect you even more because, you know, us two guys, we're blessed enough where we have our mother, right?

You know, your mother is that soft spot for you, right? So anything I'm gone during life, right, she's one call away. Obviously, my father's one call away too, but his love is more tough, like, man, you're going to be all right. But your mother, she's more understanding. She's trying to find solutions for you to calm you down, right? Like my time in Tampa, bro, I didn't, like you, I didn't start really producing how I wanted to produce. And the game was when the playoffs came, right? And I had to call my mother 630 every single morning before walking into that organization in Tampa.

Because, like, you could just, bro, I was on the edge of erupting, like, man, he, playing on me in this bitch like I ain't playing yeah like like honestly you know what I'm sure and and and I'm glad we we're getting to talk about this now because in the midst of our careers you couldn't like it was so much the season go on so fast right you don't have time to yeah to cry about certain things to moan about certain things but like you said about you know coach pork chop I had you know my coach yeah you know what I'm saying like and I and I don't think coaches get enough, like, especially when you're younger. I don't think the younger you are, I don't think those coaches, those people that are supposed

to influence you, I don't think they get enough credit, you know, and that's why I'm happy. I stand up on the table for mine. Like, I stand up and be like, Coach Chop, you know, he, and there's so many other ones, right, but, like, that was who I idolized. Impact your whole life. It wasn't, like, growing up, I didn't. I wasn't, like, I didn't idolize, like, I mean, obviously it was, you know, Emmett Smith and all the, you know, the NFL great. It's like, you'll see Ricky Williams, you know what I mean?

Like, yeah, those were the guys, but, like, they weren't initially the ones that impacted me the most. For sure. Like, it was, like, my coach. Yeah. My coach is the one who did that. You know what I mean? So, like I said, I'm happy he instilled all these different qualities and it helped me become a man early. you know what I mean so that way I can make these decisions and be cool, calm and collective the way I am during rough times because I look at it like this and you can you can agree or you can disagree life is like a wave right like you know like how a wave is yeah right like you sometimes you get a big wave sometimes you get a small swell sometimes you get none sometimes you get nothing sometimes the ocean is just class but I like to use it as a because I have a surf

background too. So I like to use it as a surfing background. Sometimes you just got to ride whatever the wave comes. Sometimes that wave is big as hell. Sometimes it could be small. But if you constantly riding the wave, you know, you're going to, you win it for a ride. You know what I mean? And sometimes you can get those barrels. Now, you probably don't know what that is. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know. When you go inside of a barrel of a wave, when you come out of a wave, the barrel is light, just like a tunnel. For sure. So that's how I try to treat life in general.

I want to make sure that I'm riding whatever wave I'm on, big or small, I'm conquering it, and I'm getting through the end of the barrel. You know what I mean? I like it you said it because I use a term, you know, like to me, I think life is like about a game of runs, especially in the basketball, right? You know, you might get a turn over here and there. And, you know, you got to call time out. And sometimes, you know, that run, you know, you might go 015.

And, you know, you go over 15. You got to look, what's going on? Help me out. So, nah, I like that terminology. Yeah. And when you say about, we're talking about, you know, the water now. Can we talk about this fishing team you have? Yeah.

That I'm trying to, can I join? Like, how much I got to put up? I can get you in contact with our commissioner, Martin Nefield. He's awesome. Now, they do like this proem every year. It's called The Catch. Yeah. SFC.

Yeah, if y'all want to join, let me know. It's over in the Key West. Down there in the Keys this year. You pulling out some big, big fish or what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're pulling out some big fish, some sailfish, billfish. And what's the pounds like? Like anywhere at 2 to 400?

Oh my good. What, 200 pounds? Fish? Yeah. Sound like omacase to me. What? Yeah. Omacase to me.

Tunas, right? That's tunas? Tuna too, yeah. Yeah. So listen, I've seen, I've seen, like, had a clip going on a while a couple months back. Y'all ain't put no pounds in y'all fish and cheating and all that. No, no, no, no.

We ain't doing that. What you mean? So, like. Hey, that shit is bad. So there was a guy that got caught with, um. He put weights inside of the stomach? Yeah. Waste.

So, like, when you go to a competition, right, when you're doing like a competition, fishing tournament or whatever they weigh the fish to see like who has the biggest fish and all that stuff who has the most you know fish that weigh the most or whatever and there was a dude a couple years ago I mean it still resurfaced it to this day it's crazy yeah and he's he did it in Cleveland yeah he did it in Cleveland he was stuffing he was stuffing weights and and fish so that way he could win like the prize money this is somebody got to win in Cleveland we trying to, we, Cleveland, we, Cleveland just trying to win. We want to win by any means necessary.

Yeah. Any means necessary. Can you tell your office the amount of time he got in jail? Yeah. I think he got like 10 years. Yeah. Not just one time he did it though. So he went to prison for putting weight in a fish?

Yeah. Ten years for that? You got to think about it though. See, but you're not getting the whole picture though. It's also tax evasion. It's also a whole bunch of other stuff. What do you mean? like winning a tournament?

Yeah, when you win a tournament like that. So it's not a six-figure tournament? It's like a million-dollar tournament? No, it can be, yeah. Damn. Yeah. Well, I ain't lying. We win the millions.

I might got to throw up 10 pounds in my 50. But yeah, so I guess he's been doing it. He's done it for like some time. So that's the reason. They just noticed it. Yeah. He owed the IRS and he got back pay. Back pay, all that good stuff.

For 10 years, though. I'd rather go do a real crime. It might be like five or something like that. A nickel? Nah, I can't do a nickel and a dime. You're being real. So get you a grand theft auto. That's not about no fish.

Real quick. But that's what happens, though, if you cheat. Because they take it serious. Is he banned now or something? Oh, yeah, he's banned for sure. So he's banned. For life? Oh, yeah, he can't push.

I understand that, but going to jail for it is crazy. He made a mistake doing. He made a mistake doing. He made it like, come on. He knew what he was doing. He did it like however many times. Well, I don't know. Oh, whoa.

I don't know what he was doing. I don't know me mentally. I guess he said it. If you're doing more than one times, you know what you're doing. Yeah. I guess. Yeah. Right?

Yeah. I guess. I don't know. Yeah. It's like if you have more than one kid, you know what you're doing. Ooh. I know what I'm doing. I know what I'm doing.

All right. All right. Yeah. Speaking of like the ocean and the water, right, you mentioned that you have a surfing background. I think you, I was researching something you were responsible by like Billabong or up to. I got offered by Billabon. Yeah, when I was 14. You must have been the first black kid that they were trying to cross over.

Nah, actually, the Niger Houston. A dog. Nigel is a dog. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy.

It's because, like, I used to skateboard, too. And him, he was like, because he was like 12. When you say skateboarding, you mean, like, you were doing actual the tricks, or you just ride the skateboard? No, the actual tricks. So kickflip, hill flip, hard flip. Yes. Hard flip.

Don't, hey, yeah, yeah, we're not going to set up. Don't set up and be captain. You got a skateboard right now. I do an inward hill. Oh, he's different. And it sounds crazy. I don't even know what it is. So I'm glad we here.

You must know, you must know something about some skateboard. Listen, you know, I used to watch Rodney Mullin. I used to watch all this as a child, right? Who was a buddy that just got out of jail? God, Lee. Listen, bro, I don't know about no police. I don't know about all that. No, no, no.

Let's do that just got out of jail. He's a pro skateboarder. His name Kevin. See, I haven't watched skateboarding in a while. And I said Tony Hawk left. Tony Hawk. Damn, says Tony Hawk? Yeah.

So growing up, right, so I'm speaking on skateboarding. I know for me, like, my favorite skating group was DGK, Dirty ghetto kids. Dirty ghetto kids. Right? So were you an element guy? Like, like. I rocked with Element, yeah. Yeah.

I was an element guy. Yeah. I like Element. Yeah. I did I like element Yeah That's it This element

Super I like Super Then they came out with the shoes Yeah the Super shoes Yeah I used to ride with the Super shoes Skateboarding I don't But to me I don't think

There was real skateboarding shoes They weren't But they were just cool It was like for fashion Yeah It's like what SB's are now right But SB's are real skating shoes Yeah those are actually

Yeah but I'm saying Like the transformation The Supras to the SBs Essentially like that's kind of No I think it was Super Then Vans. Vans.

And then SB. SB has always been around, though. I feel like SB's been around. Because they were around with D.C.'s. Yeah, D.C. was hot. D.C. was a thing. Yeah, it was. It was.

Who was D. Who did D.C.? Rob did that. He had a great show. You know what he's from? What are you from? Ohio. I didn't know that.

Oh, he is from Ohio. Yeah. I didn't know that. He's from Ohio. So you were D. D.C.'s? UODC's I did

I was wearing the G-nights that you could see through the G-night so you could see your side through that She was sweating Oh fogging up

The plastic was fogging up That boy was rocking them spinners Yeah I had them off I had to make You had to put them heels

100% 100% So I know we spoke about surfing Right I noticed you love hockey Yeah

So I got a to hockey from one of my strength coaches named Ben. Pittsburgh was my team. Can we ask who was the team and we'll make you fall in? Florida Panthers, man. Florida Panthers, right up. Back to back. We're going back to back.

You two? No, we ain't going back to. We ain't going to. We ain't out to playoff. Damn. Yeah, we had like a 3% chance like three weeks ago. All that Jeff and you wrong. No, no, but we went back to back.

We don't, we want the only. You are not the Tampa Bay Lightning. Yeah, they did. I say we won of the only team. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, one of the only teams. I got more Florida Panther gear right now in my closet than Miami Dolphin gear. Damn.

100%. So. Florida Panthers, man. So they're big like that? Oh, they, they're, I didn't know that. They're them. Yeah. They're them.

What made you fall in love with hockey? See, bro, like, listen, you're honest. You're black. You're doing a lot of white. White. I got introduced. You're doing a lot of white sports. This is new to me.

Yeah. Now, honestly, you know what? That's great. Because I have been. I ain't a lot. This shit. No, honestly, my rookie year, I got introduced to hockey. Yeah.

I went to a Florida Panther game, and I was like, damn, this is it. Like, this is lit. Like, just watching it in person. Bro, you got to go to it. You ever been to a live game? You probably have, but. I went to the Pittsburgh's. Yeah.

Pittsburgh play. They, they're exciting, bro. Yeah. They're excited. How fast they're moving. Yeah. All states, all ice. And I really like it because you can fight and not go to jail.

They go to a penalty box. Yeah, but it's exciting though. Yeah. Right? I like it. You know what I'm saying? They let them, especially they have beef for a long time. They get it out the way, get in the penalty box, you come right back out.

Yeah, 100%. No, that's the reason why I like it. It's a different type of aggression that you get to witness, and they're doing it at a fast speed and like a smaller rank, like a ring. Yeah. There's like DBs and receivers going one-on-ones all day. Just doing one-on-one. Linebackers, running backs, just doing one-on-one. Have you ever tried hockey?

You have put on skates? I put on skates before. Is it hard? Is it difficult? It's a little tricky if you're not doing it every day. I mean, it's just like rollerblading. You did rollerblading before. Yeah.

It's kind of similar to rollerblading, but it's just on ice. Yeah. Being that you were here in Miami, like you live here, right? And then when you got a chance to play here, But when you play here, did you, did you, was that like another bonus? Like, like being that you live here, you get to see the dolphins, you get to see the heat, you get to see, you get to go to the Panthers games. Yeah. Like, what was that like?

I know your first two years here, you guys went to the playoffs. Yeah. Back to back, obviously. No, I was, bro, I'll tell you what, like being down in South Florida in general, I mean, you know, like, that's why you didn't leave. Yeah. You've been here. Yeah. You're still here.

It's nice because everything. like relatively close. Like you've got the beach here. You do whatever you want. But like, you know, sports, sports wise, I think that it's like, you know, obviously teams win and lose and stuff like that. That's just how it goes. But, I mean, they have majority of the sports here.

Like, you know, you got interim Miami. Yeah. They got messy. Yeah. I've been to a messy game. Crazy. That's lit. The new stadium about to be lit.

Yeah. You go on? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, we're in there.

Yeah. For sure. But then, I mean, and then in general, like golfing, bro, golfing, I like the golf too. Yeah, we talked about that. We got to, we got to get into golfing. Got to, yeah. Got to, yeah. So you got golf courses all around here and this top notch.

And then I think of it like this, like, it's easy for me to lead the country here. Yep. Like, you got the Bahamas right there. This is the hub. Bro, I could take a 30-minute flight to the Bahamas. They don't even serve drinks on the plane. Yeah. You won't even get water on the plane.

You take a boat. There's a boat there too. You can take a boat there. I ain't taking a boat. Two hours. I did it. You did it? You did it? Yeah. You fished too? Yeah. Yeah, I know you did it. This man's a real fisherman. Caught me a nice Wahoo. Yeah. Nice what? Wahu. Wahoo. And they're cooking for you too when you get there. About this long. Yeah.

They'll cook it, take it out the boat. Cook, skin it, feed bone it. How you want? You need to come with me. Man, we got to get Lenny cultured, man. We got to get you. I fish, but I don't, you know what I'm saying. I don't do it as much. You just do it for fun. New technology. I guess I'm older, so I should. I should try, like new things. Like you say golfing.

He said he old. How old are you? 31. I'm 33. How old are you? 33? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, me and he was in the same draft class.

Yeah. 2014. No, I was 2015. You was 15? Yeah. He was 15. Yeah, so he was right after me. Yeah.

But crazy. Thinking about your time in Miami, I want to go back to that real quick. Thinking about your time in Miami, obviously, you know, we've. Yeah, we got on your eyes, but we got on your eyes on the show. saw that. We didn't get on this. Yes, we did. Yes, we did.

I didn't feel like that. I did. Jarvis said some things. Yeah. No, okay, so let's address it. Let's address it. Because what I initially thought about. You got to go back and listen to that sound bit.

Yeah. Me and Colin. Yeah. Because he asked me, he asked me how was it? And I explained that, like, when you have a coach that's nonchalant about everything, it don't really seem like he wants to win. You know what I mean? I did agree with your point, though.

But you got to kind of know that he do want to win, right? Because his livelihood is on the line as well. You know what I mean? And again, we spoke about this earlier. Coach's shelf life is way longer than player's shelf life for some reason and the coach can walk off one job and go to another job like it's nothing. Right? But to that, I want to ask you about how was he in San Fran?

Because he was just quiet, same type of coach, right? I had two different mics. Oh, you had two different mics. Yeah. Can you help us understand what Mike was in San Fran and what Mike was here in Miami? Mike and San Fran didn't have the role like he did when he was in Miami. Of course, yeah. You know what I mean?

Like, he didn't get, he didn't get to be a play caller like that until technically his last year. Yeah. And now I'm assuming that's because Shanahan wanted to keep him, you know. So when he comes to Miami, now he gets that free reign to call his own shots, do his own thing, be who he wants to be. And it's a joke around the league. You got San Fran Mike and he got Miami Mike, you know, when he shows up and he's, you know, he's dressed in Miami, Miami. He's Mike Lari. Mike Lurie.

Mike Lurie. So that's, that's. that's where that came from. You know, it was two different, two different people, two different play colors in essence. But, yeah, it was, I felt you what you said about the culture thing. Yeah. Because we had leaders.

We have leaders. We had, you know. Brooks, I feel like he would be a guy that would be leading you guys. You know, Alec in gold, you know, more of those, the fullback. He's more of the guy that, you know, wants to show you how to be a leader. You know, I'm going to show you all by my play. Yep. And you had me, you had, you know, Tua, obviously.

You got to be the leader. Quarterback. Zach Seeler, right? I think that's a misconception. I personally think the quarterback doesn't necessarily have to be the leader of your team to have success. I feel like, I feel like, and maybe I'll say that in Yonka comment. And I'll tell you what I mean afterwards. But I feel like a quarterback doesn't necessarily, yeah,

obviously he's the person that is taking the brunt of the wins and the losses, right? He's taking the good with the good of the wins and the bad. He's the person that's getting blamed the most. The ball is in his hand the most. He's one of the biggest decision makers outside of the head coach on the team that we have, right? So a lot falls on him, right? But, you know, you look at, I've played with some guys whose personality is not leader, right? and to put that on a quarterback sometimes it's too much pressure.

But that's a job description, though. It's not in a job description. That comes with it, though, being a starting quarterback. I agree. Maybe it does, but I also feel like if... It just depends. It depends. What you saying?

Yeah, I feel like it depends. Because, again, I wouldn't say a guy like, I'm just throwing a name out there, and I could be wrong about this, Justin Herbert. I wouldn't say Justin Herbert is this vocal leader, this, this, this, this presence that's on the team just, you know, in the locker room, getting guys ready on some, what we know in New Orleans is Drew Brees. You know, like we see the pregame speeches and all this stuff, right? I think of a leader.

I see leader in him, right? And Justin Herbert, and no offense to Justin Herbert, I don't not see that type of energy. I'm not in their locker room either. I'm not in their practice facility, so I understand that, right? But I just think that having that other thing on your plate as a quarterback sometime, if that's not really your personality. It's too much. I think that stunts the growth of a lot of quarterbacks in this league when you're

asking him to step up and lead guys who, you know, and in some case, I play with quarterbacks where, you know, guys don't respect him enough to have, to be able to be, you know, talking or leading us, you know what I mean? Like, we ain't trying to follow you, bro. Like, you know what I mean? So, like, that's how I feel about it. Yeah, I, I, what you're saying, I respect it, you know, but also when you're putting a team together, right? Like, in Tampa 2020, you know, we had leaders everywhere, right?

Some days, some games, time will talk. Some games, I'll talk. Some games, Mike will talk. Some days Sue will talk, right? So it was just so weird because outside of leadership, Like even if you had a situation you had at home, you had a guy on a team that probably went through the similar situation as you somewhere in their career. So you always had someone to talk to, always had someone to lead by example. You know, like for instance, Tom was a leader, right?

Of course. He'd get on your ass on the sideline when we're not playing up to part where we should play. Or in some days when he don't feel like leading, you see, he's quiet. somebody else are going to pick up the slack. I'm the one that pick up the slack on the offense for us when we're not playing up to part

when you feel like Mike, you feel like Tom is trying to, first of all, he's trying to put together a game plan for us. 100%. Trying to help us win. Which is why I think it's a misconception.

Like I feel like you're putting too much on a quarterback's plate for some of these guys. Like, I just think that it's not helping your team to try to force this guy

into a leadership role when he's just trying to draw down plays up. He's just trying to make sure he can do his job. I've been in that round too. I had Jimmy G. The year we went to the Super Bowl. Yeah. Jimmy wasn't, he wasn't like a rah-rah guy. He was like, Shanahan calls a play.

I get my job done. Like, and I'm going to try my best to get it done. But then you also had guys like me, like D.B. Bo, his rookie year. He had to come up. No, we didn't have Trent. You had Trent Day? We had Joe.

Joe. Joe. Joe. Joe. We had Mike Person, our starting center. Like, we had all these guys that, you know, Fred, when he, Fred was a young cat, Nick, Nick Bosa. Yes, sir. He was young.

We had Sherman. We had Emmanuel Sanders. You know, so we had leaders. But the thing, but what I wanted to allude to was like, when you have, you have leaders like like we did in Miami that year we all were snapping we also had a coach that you know and even at the Niners like Shanahan we knew not to mess with him like guys knew not they knew they couldn't cross him over like that they knew they couldn't step on toes or you or anything like that like we knew like that's that's how it was and that was the same thing I mean when I was

talking to Damien. Same thing. And even with my running back coach this past year, DMAQ, he was at the chiefs when they won. And he was like, same thing with Andy. You know what I mean? Like those guys you just know not to cross, those guys that you can't, you can't come out of your and act out. Yeah. Tyler, don't come first. Right. Right. Like, I'm going to get you up out of here. Yeah. And that wasn't the case in my. Miami. You know what I mean? So it's like, yeah, that's crazy.

So in Miami, right? In Miami, where do you think the shift happened? Like the first two years, y'all went to the playoffs. Y'all was going to crazy. Yeah, first two years, first two years we went to the playoffs, I think it was complacency after that. Like, I can do this. Players are coaching. Both.

Hmm. Both? Both. Both for real. Both? Yeah. Yeah. Because, like, I mean, I feel like, like, those.

Those years, we had, bro, we had the talent. Yeah. I mean, it was just like y'all in Cleveland. Yeah. Y'all had the talent. The defense was stout. Yeah. You know what I mean?

So, like, I just felt like it was just a little bit of complacency, but then also, like, we also trying to make up for past times. Because think about this, like, we didn't go to the playoffs and win a playoff game in 20-something years. Yeah. I was one of one of those teams. Exactly. So, you know, with the genius. trying to recoup what he's done in the past and trying to figure it out because he

know he's on his last leg trying to win yeah you know what I mean so it was like a cumulative of everything but I feel like when you with the head coach I you know and I and I don't I don't look I'm a 33 year old running back who's played it I don't need a mother I don't need somebody MF and me and telling me what to do right especially head coach because I'm probably talk to him sideways too right you know what I mean like look I'm a grown man I pay bill just like you. Right. I don't need you to talk to me like that.

Mm-hmm. But I do need somebody that I, players can respect. You know, respect go a long way. And I felt like that was, there was a lack of respect just because he didn't, he didn't put any emphasis on trying to show respect to players or at least try to demand respect. Right. There's no boundaries. Yeah.

Like, if you got guys that, you know, cussing coaches out on the sideline, you know, you You know what I mean? No way. But not just one time. You know, like numerous times. They even put hands on a coach. Come on, that's different now. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I mean, it depends on who the guy is now. Like, let's be honest. If we, if we're talking about... Shiting about. Cheetah. Belichick. Talking about a water.

No, I'm saying. Oh, I'm saying. But I'm saying, right? Like, I do think everybody have their shelf life or whatever it is, and it's only so much at a certain point of a coach is going to take or organization. is going to take before they're like, you know what, this guy's a problem.

Like, we have to get them out of here anyway by any means necessary, right? But also, I think that there's a time in most players' career where their ego is so centered on, like, their talent and what they know they bring to the team, like you're saying, with that lack of respect or boundary drawn, right? They cross the line more times than not, right?

I could remember having Sean Jefferson. When Adam Gates came to the dog, I want to say this is 2016, right? 2017, right when the year after Philbin was fired. And I remember feeling like damn, I'm a team guy.

I'm about to step in, I'm coming into my own. I'm a pro bowler at this point. And I remember him coming into the receiver meeting. And at that time, he had Devante Parker, Kenny Stills, Brandon Gibson, Brian Hartline. Who else was there?

Mike Wallace, I believe he had just left, actually. And we finished our receiver meeting. And before he let everybody out, he said, everybody stayed, hold on one second. And he had my jersey in the meeting room. He pulled my jersey up. And he said, he looked at me. He said, you play for this team on the front,

not this name on the back. And I was like, Okay. And he essentially gave me a whole spiel of that hard coaching, just chewing my ass out that like, you know, this is about this room. This is about the team. It's not just about you. And I remember crying as a 24, five-year-old man, thinking to myself and me and him had this conversation, thinking to myself like, like, why? Like, I'm a team guy, right?

I buy all my guys stuff doing the off-season. Like, you know what I mean? like people come in they got their little gift baskets whatever it is i'm buying the whole team stuff like you know no no sign of me has showed that like i'm this selfish player right right and i think that we had a guy like i said devonte parker that in in a way that i've watched receivers i'm not just alluding to devonte but i watch receivers or i watch players be coached by coaches that sometime like missed the mark will like with their point yeah sometimes yeah and it like takes their confidence away right and I think when I was mentioning that in response to what you said

I had that in mind as well like I had my little trauma in there as well and then I had the had the thought of like I've watched coaches just be sticklers and and just be like you said laid on the hammer right like I watched coaches do that and like it's ruined players careers because they don't they lose their confidence like all of their confidence is shot and now he going he go out there he can't catch a ball he's playing on eggshells he's not playing fast right because if I make a mistake then I'm never getting in the game again or if I make a mistake like he's going to curse me out in front the whole team right um so I guess what I was answering in response to that was just like I I feel you and I didn't but I didn't know the whole situation

either right and I said that too I didn't know, like, what actually was going on. I didn't know people fighting coaches, cursing coaches out. You know what I mean? And it's like, and I was trying to explain it to him like this. But it's like a hierarchy in the football world, right? And you got the owners who are like your billionaires. Like, I'm going to break it all down in different categories, right?

You got the owners that are like the billionaires, the wealthiest of, wealth, right? They run anything and everything they could do, right? They got that. Then you got the GM who is like, you know, they're multi-millionaires. They're the ones that got, you know, they got a little bit more leeway and they free reign. You know, they work with the billionaires. Yeah. Then you got your head coach who is more of like, he's more like your president, right? Like he's the one that makes sure the country's running right, you know, the organization. He's being seen. He's the ones that's truly the face of an organization because the billionaire don't really get seen like that.

Right. That he just has the title of ownership. And the money. The GM, yeah. And the GM is like, you know, one above the president. So then you have your classes. You have, you know, your upper class, middle class, lower class. And I look at it like, you know, you got your veterans, higher paid guys.

Those are the ones that are upper class. Your middle class is like the blue class. collar, you know, they're trying to get to the upper class. They, they're on their contracts. You know, they're really trying to work it out. And you got your lower class, which is like, you know, practice squad. Prattice squad. Rookies, free agents. You know, the free agents. They're trying to figure out they still need, you know, you got in between us. But if you're the president, you got to oversee everything, but you have to delegate your governors, which is your coaches. Your coaches are your governors. Like, you.

of the states, right? So the coaches have to see what's going on too. If that ain't working in the gym and all that, how do you expect the players to run, you know, and now just like what's going on in some countries, when lower middle class, they riot against the upper class and upper class, you know, they jail together,

you got your in-betweeners that's doing riots and everything like that. Bro, it's just like a, like, like the economics, like you have everything else. Yeah. And when that's, when the upper tier, the coaches and all that, when they're not hitting the right cylinders, it trickles down to everything else.

Yeah. You know, and then some guys, they just want to be nonchalant about stuff. They're going to be late to meetings and we're going to do this, that, and the other. That's how you lose. That's the reason why, I mean, like you said, you had Tom Brady. I know Tom. shit. Tom, I mean, I was with, I was talking to him, you know, multiple times last year when he,

when he was at the Raiders. I know Tom don't play no bullshit. You know what I mean? But that's because the type of person. But then at the same time, I also had Jimmy G. Jimmy G was right underneath Tom when they won championships. Yeah. So he knows what it looks like.

Yeah. He's not, he's not as vocal as Tom. Yeah. But he could be a leader, too. Same thing with two. Yeah. Two is a leader, too. but he's a quieter leader.

He's more of, I'm with the bros. Like, I'm the bro leader. I'm not worried about what the coaches in them say. Like, it's us. We battling on the field. Yeah. We out there. You know what I mean?

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Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. I guess like before we're in, you know, and that's probably my last question for you, you know, and you see, you know, the young guys where they go during life, you know, depression and everything. Yeah. You know, it's sad out there. And my question for you is like, you know, when was the last time you felt lost? Last time I felt lost. Man, honestly, to be honest with you, and I don't like to, I don't even like to say it like this.

but I haven't felt lost. You know, I haven't, I mean, the only time I felt lost is when I lose somebody that's close to, you know, mental health, like Ron Dale Moore. Like, I knew he was little bro. Yeah, you know what I mean? So, like, just the fact that that happened

and I wasn't able to even extend my arm and my hand out to even have a conversation with them or even check up on them, you know, it kind of, that right there is me feeling lost. Yeah. Just the fact that I can't help somebody that I know. You know what I mean? So that's tough.

It's definitely, and it's happening more often now than there is. Yeah. And I wonder why. I want to know why, you know, dudes are doing, you know, harmed to themselves in that regard just because, I mean, you would have thought, you know, these guys have been okay. Yeah, for sure. You know, they show face. The way they act. The way they act.

The way they move around. But you don't know. And I hate that. Yeah. I got a thought on that. I remember as my transition was kind of happening, I remember reaching out to, and I don't know if this was the case for some guys

that are unfortunately not with us anymore, right? But I remember reaching out to pastors. I remember reaching out to former players, players that had similar trajectories, similar things that were happening. And I still have text messages. and screenshots of how many people said, like, bro, I'm going to lock in with you.

I'm going to check on you and never did. Like some people that, like, we know. Like, we personally know, you know what I mean? But, like, and they know. When they see this, they know, right? And I say that to say that there is a point throughout this journey, even for me, someone that five-time pro bowler that has played the game at a high-time pro baller that has played the game

at a high level for a long time, right? That, like, man, I had wild thoughts. Wild thoughts. And again, and on top of that, you know, you, you're reaching out to people for help. Yeah. Looking for guidance. Yeah, like, you're just reaching out. Like, man, like, bro, if you come chop it up with me for a few 30 minutes, bro,

if you could just give me through the day. Yeah. Bro, if you could just, you know, holl at me real quick. Come see me, man. Can I come see you? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, and.

Not on some funny stuff either. It's just, like, chill. Yeah, bro, like, I need, yeah, I need a, I need something. And, and that's, I feel like, I hate to cut you all, but I feel like, you know, when, when something like that occurs or like when a guy's thinking like that, like, that should be a moment for you as an eye opener. Like, you should be like, you know what? No, okay. My brother need me.

My brother need me. Like, you know what, my family could wait. Like, my kids, like, you know, we, nah, come on, let's go. Bro, what you want to go eat? Like, let's, let's chop it up. You know what I mean? And sometimes I feel like you're scared, though. You scared to ask for help, too.

And that's the big problem, though. That's the big problem that's going around. It's like, guys are afraid to ask for help. So for you to, like, step up and be like, you know, I reached out to pastors. I reached out to, you know, people that I thought could be in my corner. At least that gives you some type of self-aware that, you know, that, hey, look, I did reach out to this person.

I did my part. Even that, like, something is wrong. I'm trying to figure out what's wrong. Yeah. And I can honestly, say this too, you know, just speaking on him. Like, you know, I was dealt with him when he was going through his tough times, right?

And, like, and we all go through our own battles. Everybody out in the world, you know, we try to, we figure out in our heads we're the only ones going through this situation where there are several people that's probably going through the same thing. If not worse. But they don't have options or to open up to nobody

to talk to anybody, right? Like I always told you, always like, you know, can turn the impossible to possible quickly yeah no and that's and I think that's one of the biggest things that kind of saved me and I told you here before we got him like man listen you have a brother in me like yeah I'm and I'm I'm I'm the type of person I might have shit going on but every they could tell you this any guy that that that's not planned that I know like you know like Ezekiel yeah like even when OBJ was going through him but I wrote them as

many times like it don't matter yeah you know I wrote them each and every time they their name came across my my Instagram or if I had their number I text them yeah I might be blowing you up or yeah and you know I might you might be going through a situation where you aggravated but I want you know like I care like you know what I'm saying like I care because I went through the the same situation where was nobody was hitting me up yeah right and I knew how it felt yeah obviously so you feel empty at that empty so so you know what you know what let me let me let me go help my brothers out to see what they need why I'm I'm fighting my own battle let me make sure they have somebody to help them with their

battle yeah right and that's just not for football players for everybody out there in the world who's gone through something that you know I just said God can make the impossible possible so you're not going through it along whether you think it or not sometimes you got to know when to get on your knees and pray you know like that's that's one of the biggest things I've always believed in God but like when I was going through it over like constantly leaning on to my own understanding and not gods yeah I'm like man listen it just you know what god I'm surrendering all my problems the the the the the not sleeping at night you know I'm leaving it in your hands and not my own and that's when I kind of had to understand like

all right lena like it's not your battle it is not your battle how hard we think it is we just on our own it's not so you're never on your own now for sure that's sure that's that's a That's what people got to realize. Like, you never really on your own. And you got so much, so much purpose. Like, God put us all here for a reason to have purpose. What's your purpose? It's not to, and it's not to give up.

And it's not, the reality is, it's not football. Yeah, and it's not football. This is just a stepping stone to where you want. It's a golden block. Yep. That's what it is. Where you want to be in life. And your purpose is, right?

You know, I've always told you always, like, the reason why I wanted to do this podcast to get God's word out there more. And when you say the problem is, that's what a lot of young guys are missing. Yeah. You know, to like, right, sometimes you have to take time out your day 30 minutes. Read your Bible, man. Like, every situation you're dealing with in life, it has it in the Bible. I didn't know that until I had to go through what I went through in life.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you look at. I even say, like, just take, you know, 10, 15. minutes just to breathe. Yeah, disconnect. Yeah, just close your eyes and breathe. That goes a long way. Like I, like me, I do the Bible. I read, I try to find the scripture, whatever that's tailored to what I'm going through. Yeah. But then also, I like to go to the ocean. That's, that's like my little mechanism. That's how I, that's how I can cope with, like, anything that's stressful. If I just close my eyes and hear the sound of a wave, that's how I know I'm, that's all I need.

reset i might gotta try that try yeah you go i do that too matter of fact go yeah next time next time it'll be even better doing when it's like a sunset sunset hear the waves close your eyes try to even find a hammock bro yeah fall asleep you'll be you'll be you'll be shot by the water oh fall asleep not in the water not in the water not in the water but yeah try find a hammock or something that's relaxing get on the beach and sunset Set, close your eyes, and just block out everything. You'll block everything out besides that ocean. That ocean, you'll hear the waves crashing on that shoreline.

You'll be like, you're going to hear that at home, huh? I know what he ain't talking about. If you have an ocean by you, if you don't have an ocean, find a pine. You don't have a pine, find a lake. Just throw a rock. A creek. Figure it out. But now, bro, we, Fort and South, bro, we appreciate you.

You know, taking the time out of your day. Absolutely. If y'all want to be back, Nate, let me know. I'm up the road. Yeah, for sure. Jarvis knows. You know, we're going to link up. Fish and move, we're going to fish it move.

We're going to fish it move. Yeah, I appreciate you. Thank you, man. On your journey now, you know, I don't know if you're trying to get back in the lead or not. Yeah, I am. I'm trying one more year. Well, we'll see. Wish you luck on that, but if you don't, you know.

I'm going to come. I'm going to call y'all. I want to get in that state what y'all talking about. So I know y'all, you're all suited. So you're all right for it. I appreciate y'all. Thank you, brother. Thank you for me.

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