The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 4th & South - Ndamukong Suh on Lions, Buccaneers Super Bowl, NFL legacy & life after football

Episode Date: April 6, 2026

Ndamukong Suh sits down with Leonard Fournette and Jarvis Landry to talk about his time with the Detroit Lions, his Super Bowl win with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, what it was like playing alongside Tom Brady, being teammates with Lenny and Jarvis, and how he built his empire off the field through the business side of football. All lines provided by ⁨ @hardrockbet See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Even though I'm younger than you, right? I've watched you over the years, you know, even in college, bro, like these accolades you got from college to the NFL, right? Crazy. AP college player of the year in 2009. Yep. I was blessed to have some good teammates to help me get there. Jeez. Big 12 defense player of the year.

Wait, to me, this is the best one, right? This is something you could tell your kids. Number 93 in Nebraska is retired. Never to be worn again. Nobody would never touch that shit. Nah, they can still wear it, but eventually I'll get there to where they, where nobody can wear it. They're going to ask permission, but somebody can still wear it to this day.

So you ain't got the permission yet? They ain't got the permission. I haven't gotten it yet, so we don't have to work on that. Maybe that I've now made it to the college football Hall of Fame, I can demand that nobody can wear my jersey number without my permission, but we'll see. Respectfully, respectfully. Listen, if you need more guests for the sign a petition,

we sign a petition, bro. I sign that motherfucker right now. I'm going to sign it right now. So we got the, bro, the Chuck Award, the Lombardi Award, the Outland. Bro, you have won every defensive award they have in college. Crazy, bro. O-9 was a fun year, man.

And we had a lot of fun in Nebraska. I think we was considered one of the best defenses to ever play in college football. So I definitely didn't do it by myself. I don't know if y'all know Jared Crick, Barry Turner, all them guys. Yeah. They supported me in getting and being an elite defense. Even Prince of Mukamara, as you guys know. Yes, sir.

His loud mouth self. He was out there knocking down passes. Is it safe to call you missed it every day? I'm a, no. Nah, no, no, no. I miss everything, man. I love it. I love it.

I love it. I'm not playoff. I don't get a playoff Lenny status just yet. Listen, listen. Playoff Lenny does not competitive. This right here, man. Second overall pick, right? I don't think Jalva's on the,

he don't know about the top five shit. So, you know, I was number four. Hey, that's crazy. I'm saying, I understand. I see Lenny won't smoke. Bro, listen. I'm taking a lot of smoke lately. I've been watching the show.

You got a lot of smoke. You got a lot of smoke. He's jabbing me all the time. And for me, one of the greatest things, right? The 2000, all-decade team. Yeah. Crazy. That's a big-ass accomplishment.

You know what I'm saying? Be being your teammate. Br, I'm proud to have known you for these of this, but three years we've been together, man. And it's great, man. I mean, we could talk about all this shit, but the thing that God knows is you as a teammate, as a father, as a brother,

as a son. That's the most important thing, man. For me, always, I appreciate the talks we had in Tampa when I was going through my little trials trying to figure out whether I was going to play or not. So I thank you for that, man. No, no problem. It ain't easy. The game, I think a lot of people don't understand the game of football, they think everything comes easy to us, especially if we're top draft picks and have won and been successful in college. But they don't realize that there's everyday things that we got to deal with. whether it's at home in the facility, whatever it may be, because, man, I remember juicing us being in Miami, man,

just dealing with the brain damage of a head coach that just thinks he controls the world. I'm going to kick you out. I'm going to do this. I control you. You can't do nothing. If you do exactly what I, you better do exactly what I say.

And if not, I'm going to put you underneath the jail. It's like, man, remember, I'm a grown man, just like you're a grown man. I might be younger than you. I might still be learning here. but I need some sign of respect no different than vice versa. I'm going to give you the respect that's due to you as being supposedly a leader of this organization, even though I would never consider that human being a leader by any means, especially of men, let alone women or kids.

And so ultimately, I think that's one thing fans never understand is like the trials and tribulations that we have. Yes, we're highly paid. We're deserving of we earned all those different things. but it's a grind to deal with that stuff on a day-to-day basis. Yeah, you mentioned coaches, right? You mentioned coaches and the effect that they have on our development, the effect that they have on the building, right? The effect that they have on a team, you know?

Like, can you, I know, I know throughout your years, you know, you mentioned Jim Washburn a lot, right? You mentioned Bo Pellini a lot, right? Can you mention, can you talk about how coaches, you know, in one right, have the most influence over us and that aspect as college kids coming out of high school, right? And then when you get to the league, you know, you had Jim Washburn, you know, who's a past strategist, you know, and you talk about them a lot.

And can you talk about that process and mentality that you develop through good coaching and mentorship? Yeah, man, it's a great question just for the simple fact that you're in college and people don't realize that you're starting to get molded of what your understanding of how football works. what type of, I always say I'm blue collar football because I went to Nebraska and all we knew was hard nose run, hit you in your face and get up and go from there. And for me, if I wasn't lucky enough to have conversations with not only guys like John Blake who recruited me because he was at Mississippi State with my older sister and he took a liking to me and said, hey, I want you to come to University of Nebraska. I'm going to do everything in my power to give you as many opportunities as possible versus a coaching change.

happens with Bo Polini, and he could be like, man, I don't like you. Like, he's coming for LSU winning a championship. Right, right. I don't like you. Get out of here. Go wherever you want to. My career, my life trajectory could be completely different versus what he said to me was, oh, I think you're better than some of these other detoxes that I've seen that are

going to be top three, four picks in this coming up of yours draft from 08. And I believe in you. So we're going to now build in and around you as a cornerstone of our defense. Then you translate that to the pro level and you say, all right, you got Jim Schwartz that comes in as a head coach. And he's like, I want to build my team around the defensive line. So I'm going to get Kyle Van and Bosch. I'm going to get Corey Williams. I got Cliff A.

Forl. And I'm going to, I got the first round pick. Jeff and that boy. Yeah. You're going to draft me, Nick Fairley, Ziggy Ansah. Like, I'm going to build around. Now they're vested in you. They've not only put money behind you, they're personally vested in you.

So now they're going to do everything in their power. So they look good, aka so you play good. So now you transition that and like we had to deal with in Miami. You got a coach who's offensive-minded. All he cares about is these different things. You would think, man, Juce is an amazing player, been carrying this team through so many years of losses. And the only bright spot, why would I not invest in him? Like, why would I not put things and do things to support that guy?

So it's not even, not only from the standpoint of being healthy and being lucky to be able to work hard, but it's also having people that are believing in you that support you and put you in positions to be successful. Because a coach can make a flip of a decision. I don't like you anymore. You don't get to play. Yeah. And you, what are you told me to do? And, bro, you know, what's funny, you told me something during my contract time that I still remember to this day, you know, and you say, there's a game within the game, right?

And I never really understood that. And I mentioned this on one of our previous shows, that I never understood that until I played in some organizations that didn't have it all figured out, right? And didn't know how to really, I guess, mature with the player inside of the organization and this and that and so forth, right? So it took me until like year seven, eight to understand like what you meant, right?

Through the coaching staff, through the politics, you know, through the owners and things like this, right? Everything we went through in Miami, I think it was very led by an egotistical type of person, right? Like, like I think that, you know, with guys like yourself coming in, guys like myself, right? And I would say I had a little bit more personality than you, right? but as far as like speaking and like being, you know, dancing, whatever it is, right? But at the same time, like, at that time you were kind of controversial, controversial as a player, right? You know what I'm saying? So do you think that he was just trying to control you so that you didn't kind of like, you know,

that didn't spill over into the team? And do you feel like coaches out there where we see some of the best coaches in the game like Mike Tomlin, Andy Reed, John Hallbrough, where they let you. the guys just go and beat themselves. And the team, the guys in a locker room lead the team. Not the, not, and you know what I'm saying? Like, can you talk about that a little bit more? If I'm going to try and analyze it and put my hat on as a therapist or somebody who was

in that particular space, I would say the head coach that we shared in Miami, our last two years, which had been in 16 and 17, because 2015 was, was, was, was, was, was, was, basically it wasn't a year. As a trower. Yeah, we knew our head coach is getting fired probably midway through that season. I think it was after four games. But long story short, I think there was a lot of immaturity in being a first-time head coach, but also not understanding how to deal with so many different personalities.

And the one thing that I learned from Jim Caldwell was that as a head coach, yes, you have to be good at X's as those. but really you want to be able to, you have to be somebody who has the ability to touch every single person in the room and had the dynamics to be able to deal with every different type of personality. So you need a really strong OC or really strong DC and a really good special teams coach

who are going to implement your plan. As you as a head coach, you have to touch and feel every single person in that building and also enable them to have ownership in their positions and have clear understandings of what their expectations are of them, And then when a problem comes up, you're the first one that's going to be dealing with it.

You're not really dealing with ice as a nose. And I think that's where this head coach didn't understand what it was like to be one in that type of sphere. There was so tunnel vision of saying, hey, all I worry about is offense and scoring points. Not knowing I have to have a psychology background to be able to say. A relationship. Yeah, and build relationships. Even if I don't like them, I got to be able to let them see that I can hear you. I respect you, but this is my decision and we're going to move forward from that. So I think there's a lot of those different pieces.

And I think personally, I was very abrasive and direct. And I didn't have the emotional intelligence to be able to understand this person saw me as a threat. Right. Because I was able to speak with Stephen Ross, because I was able to speak with Tom Garfinkel, because I was being able to move around the organization and have these different relationships, because again, they just invested $100 million plus dollars in me. Why would they not want to have a relationship with me?

Why would they not want to have relationship with me and be able to go back and forth? Plus, I told them. One of the main things I want to be able to have is learn from you guys on the business side. So I don't want to just talk about football. I want to go learn and watch how you create the Miami Open.

Saw that from the infancies. How you're going to create F1, saw that from the infancies, how you're going to remodel the entire state, I saw that from the infancies. So there was so many other things where this football coach didn't really realize it's like, oh, this dude, let me let him be who he wants to because he's always going to show up on Sundays. He's going to provide and play at a high level. Yep.

And go from there. So I think that's where it was seen as a threat versus something that's positive. And then like you said, allow these kids to be who they are. Let these young men be who they are, but set ground rules of what your expectations are and go from there. I agree. And you can't do it by fear because there ain't nobody's scared of you. That's true. That's your grown man, growing man and grown man.

So obviously you're the first guest on here who's been teammates to both me and Javis. Yeah. Right. Can you tell me some of your favorite memories with me and Tampa and I tell you minds with you. And I was good with you. I mean, we've had so many good times.

Yeah. But I mean, I just did laughing, joking in the locker. locker room, like all those different things. You coming in to the D-Lines corner talking noise, trying to get in. I mean, keep it funky. Y'all are over there gambling, creating nonsense. I'll tell you, I may, get out, get out this corner because y'all going to start some fights, especially you and Devin.

Like, y'all, too, was our character when it comes to having fun in the locker room and whatnot. It was good. I mean, y'all kept it lively and fun. That's what I appreciated in, and I think for both of y'all, especially at different times in my career, you kept me youthful. Like, as I got older, I got more into business. Y'all always pull me back, man. Forget your business meeting. Get your buddy here in the locker room and kick me with us

and let's go have some fun. Like, even dinners that me and Jarvis had with Jay Cutler, like moving around and doing different things like that, that was what I really appreciated about both of y'all. Most definitely, man. And I would say, honestly, my favorite memory is we were with the teammates, right? When you came to, Tampa came to the Jacksonville in 2019. We played your guys at home. And I was actually calling out the defense.

I was calling out who should be the mic. You know, we had a young quarterback, Miss you. And you said, man, you better get out. They're going to kill your fucking ass. He said, man, you call it. You call out who's supposed to be the mic, this and that. But also one of my all-time favorites is when I was gone through, you know, my trials with Tampa, right?

And you'll come in a sauna, this big-ass jug of water, you know. at the time it's so crazy, it was just me and you, right? He was like, uh, like, man, what's the problem? I'm like, shit, bro, I ain't playing. Like, I'm just saying, I'm not used to this, right? And once again, Javis brought up business inside the business. You taught me that there, right? So I was kind of getting a glimpse of understanding what you was saying

and also understanding the game, right? Can't be around this bitch, Paul. And you can't be, you can't show them that, right? And you, you told me that. You told me that a valuable lesson with, be personally, but I would teach to my sons. and I thank you for that. Yeah.

Yeah. No, man, it's, it's tough though because for me, I think we're so used to always being at the pinnacle of everything that we do. And being able to, I was able to learn that same example, although I was giving you advice on not so much character, but being able to embrace where your position is. Because, again, your number got called and what'd you do?

You show a cook. Like, that's important. And you, if you weren't in the headspace, to be able to do that and you were still pounding and had being down upon yourself, you just had to wait for your opportunity. But I also, I'm looking at it as like when I go to Philly and I'm in a backup role, I'd never been in a backup role. Yeah. Since a little kid to where I'm at. But I could be able to say, all right, this is no different than rotating like a running back. Like, we're going to have this rotation. I'm

going to have fair share. And when I, when my number's called, I got to be able to show up from that standpoint. So it was being able to put myself. in your shoes and vice versa understanding how it all works. Yeah, and I think the thing that was really killing me about that time was where like, you know, you're so used to, when the lineup come on

on the fucking billboard, you know, started, and I'm like, man, they're not even calling me. But, you know, motherfuckers, they were screaming my name. So that was my biggest thing. It's on you, Juice. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers, and guess what? We have some big news.

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I think I didn't really get that aspect of what you guys were speaking about until I got to New Orleans. right like for for most of my career um i was the guy high school i was the guy college you know maybe my my freshman year but i found a way to play special teams still make plays still be somebody that people recognize as like damn like he's making plays on special teams i can't wait to see what he's going to do on offense right and then i get to the NFL and you know i play special teams in the beginning i told people this all the tell people all the time if you want to make the team in the NFL and as a rookie play special teams until your number is called Right? You know, I had guys like Brian Hartline, Mike Wallace, also in front of me.

At that time, Tannenhill is still a quarterback. But when I got to New Orleans, it was one of those situations where I was like, hey, you're going to be playing more on third downs. You're going to be playing more in the red zone. You're going to be playing more on third and short and we want to run power right behind you. You know what I mean? And I'm just like, I don't know if I could do this. And I remember calling James. And I'm like, yo, bro, like, they don't really see me like how I feel like I see my. at this point in my career, you know, and Sue, I'm going to ask you about that in the second because, you know, at that point in my career, I felt like I could still be an every down receiver. I could damn sure be a compliment to a number one, if not be a number one on most teams in the NFL, right? And first game with the same thing, I go for 1.30. And I'm thinking, like, uh-huh, like I'm show you all, like I'm telling you, like, I'm here. Like, I can still do this, right?

and I'm 30 years old. I'm 30 years old. But again, I end up falling into that role that they told me, like, third down, red zone. Before you know it, I'm not getting no targets in the game. I'm not touching the ball at all, you know. Can you talk about a little bit about when you made your transitions from to Tampa and to Philly, right? Like, maybe physically you felt like, I could still give you that first second down, you know,

and if you want to leave me out there for three downs, I could do that too. Like, can you talk about, like, your mentality of, like, being more of a team guy, even though physically you felt like you probably could get the job done? Yeah, I would say Tampa really wasn't, like, the start of it for me. It was more so actually in Miami, where I started to realize, like, hey, man,

I don't have to play every single down. and coach Terrell Williams, if you remember him. Coach, shout out to T. He was in New England. Yeah, exactly. And so Coach T would tell me, like, you obviously are elite.

You can do everything, but you got to understand, like you've played a lot of down. So I'm going to, I want to not rest you, but I want to have you when we're playing these games. Like you started the game,

first three series are obviously yours, but I'm going to pull you out in the fourth series, unless we're in like a big transition or whatever. So I started looking at the game a little bit differently. I'm picking and choosing when I can take breaks. So again, one, we're playing for the long haul, being in the Super Bowl, trying to be in the playoffs, all these different things.

And so that's when I started to understand, all right, how do I pick and choose and understand where, hey, the better my crew is as a defensive line, the better I'm going to beat. And so when I eventually got to L.A., playing with Aaron Donald, Michael Brockers, then going to Tampa play with Vita, JPP, and all the different guys, I started to realize, all right, man, I need to invest my time and energy in the guys that I'm

playing with and how I can build up in and around them because they're only going to, the better they are, the better I'm going to be. And so as I continue to really hone into those different things, because again, I'm going to train to where I can play every single snap or almost every single snap, but am I going to be able to pay that snap at close to 100%? Right. Or am I going to be playing 50, 60 snaps at 85%. I'd much rather be 40, 45 snaps at 99% versus 60 snaps at 70, 80%. And so that's where my mindset started shifting and saying, all right, I got to get

these younger guys behind me ready to go and play. And then I get to say fourth down, I'm not coming out, late third down, all the past, big pass downs, I'm obviously in the game. So just being able to pick a chew. So that's how I started to look at it from that lens and build into growing. Yeah. You know what? Now and not.

I guess I set myself off for that because, you know, I'm a receiver. You know, I need that ball. So I'm trying to be in a field as much as possible. You know what I'm saying? Like as receivers, it's harder to pick and choose, you know. But I think that's an interesting point that you make for, you know, other veterans in the league. Like we see Viya Miller moving around, right? Right now, you know, other D-Ns and D-Lyman, right,

that played the game at a high level early on in the career, played a lot of football, right, are now making decisions based off of just what you said, you know, other guys around them, how they can go in the field and go ahead. Yeah. If you look at it like this, you don't watch the entire game. At the end of the game, if you look at my stat sheet and it says two and a half sacks, five tackles and one PBU.

Right. Damn, he bawled. Right. How many snaps was that? Maybe if I did that in 10 snaps, like, so you're picking and choosing these moments and understanding the game, like, where you can take your shots and make big plays and change the game. Because if I get this sack fumble, return for a touchdown.

That helped us win the game. So those, that's how the mindset changes. No different on offense. If you're like, hey, man, you only want me for red zone? Well, guess what? Y'all get your bused down to the red zone. And everybody knows the ball's coming to juice. Right.

Or the ball's being handed off to Lenny. Yeah. It's going to be a touchdown. Y'all can't stop it. It's coming down the pipe for us. This is why I love talking to this, man, bro. The intellectual, the lessons he gives us, man. Like, he got to be looking at shit different now, you know what I'm saying?

Right. Which is cool you live and you learn. But my next question is, right? So if you had to pick, right, one choice. Out of meal juice as your teammate, right? Right? Who are you taking? Who you taking? I mean, that ain't fair. You're going to really put me on the spot. Yes, yes. I need the note. I need the note.

Oh, man, Sue, suit, for the record, Sue, listen, I know you tackle Leonard. So, you know what I mean? You ain't got to see me at all. So, you know, it's good. It's good. You know, y'all can play on the same team. That's good. All right. So this is how I'm going to answer this question because this is a messed up question. Right. Right. I got juice during the season. I got Lenny in the playoffs.

Oh. Hey, that's real. You know what? I ain't done much in the playoffs. I ain't going to lie, you know. So, so I playoff Lenny is stamped for a reason. It's a real thing for a reason. It's a brand for a reason.

Okay. No bad blood. You know what? You know what? I'll take that answer. I'll take that. I'll take that. I take that.

I mean, you had to take it. I wasn't going to give you nothing else. And also, this is. This strictly for our Tampa fans, right? Yeah. Like about the run we went on at the end of the season, obviously. And, bro, what do you remember, I guess, the most about that run, man? I mean, I don't know if you remember this vividly,

but it always sticks out of my brain about that run. We were excited at the beginning of that season, man. We had so much talent on that team. Like, it was crazy. Like, to imagine how many first-round picks, how many pro bowlers, all pros, everything, top to bottom, offense and defense. Like, again, we should have just ran through that entire season through everybody.

But we didn't. But it wasn't until we had that team and players only meeting in the indoor facility. Yep. And everybody is like, hey, man, like, put all your pride aside. and some people got called out we'll leave those names out and said, this ain't about you. Like, don't know I care about your stats.

Don't nobody care about nothing, but all, what we want to do is put a banner right behind everybody else where we're sitting. And you just felt kind of the air come out the room, but in a positive way of dudes being like,

all right, man, this is our chance. Like, we're either going to be considered the all-star team, like, kind of like, what did a buddy do? dude from Texas, say, back in the day when he was in Philly, I'm drawing a place on the quarterback's name, but long story short, like, everybody understood the man, we're going to play our role, we're going to understand what we need to do and find a way to get into the playoffs.

Because all we do is get to the playoffs. Because once we get to the playoffs, everybody's free game. Like, it don't matter who it is. And so. Any given Sunday. Yeah, we took care of business and we got to playoffs. And dude was looking around the locker room. I was like, man, we can really do this.

And the path to do it is, yeah, it's difficult, but it's the right way to earn a championship. We're going to go smack Washington, you know, come back. We got to beat New Orleans. And then go up to Green Bay for the championship and then come home. Like, be the first ever do it and win it at home. I mean, that was historic. Yeah, it was definitely a shift in the air, right?

Because guess what? I'm going to be real. I was one of the guys that got called out because I was, as the team was practicing, you know what I'm just? I was in Raiders on, I was the one on the 40-yard line just watching, pissed off on the knee. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah,

yeah, guys, you know, especially in my time and I know he kind of gets a big, big, big, I don't know what to say, but they don't talk about him as much, but a guy that helped me was A-B, right? Because we was kind of going through the similar thing, you know, he wasn't getting the ball.

There'll be days, there'll be days when I'm like, come on, brother, like, you know, you know, like, and come on, bro, like, you know we're on our last fucking strike. Like, man, we don't fuck this up. And every day, see, say the same, man. And I can just remember, like, going until that end of the season. And, you know, Sue, we always sit by the water, you know what I'm saying?

We talk that shit. You'll be like, man, you know, fix your fucking, you know, just being real, man, fix your body language. Like, I'm like, damn, I'm like, you can see it. He was like, Lenner, bro, you can't hide that shit, like, especially how you all. And I guess with my personality, I'm always happy, always joking. And you could tell we're like, I'm on one of the days like, man, I'm, fuck this shit, man.

I'd just be sitting on a knee chilling. You ain't like me who gets to run around with a resting bitch face. Like, it's not. He looked mad. That's his normal face. You are, you're dancing, doing all these different things. And so, but it's also, you didn't realize

a lot of dudes on that team are looking up to you. So that was something also from that standpoint. It's like, man, even though I may not be doing everything I know I can do, there's a lot of people that are looking up to you that say, man, if he's doing everything you could possibly do, why should not? So that was my whole piece of why I wanted to have those conversations and why I even mentioned. Plus, man, again, you're good dude.

So don't let that politics of the game affect you, which, I mean, it affected us all because there was times where I wanted I wanted to curb stop a couple coaches and people throughout times. And also, man, can you, can you tell me about just playing in a Super Bowl and getting that, getting that, you had a sack, right? You had a sack, right? You had a share a sack with Gil. Oh, you had a sack. I don't know talking about.

Hey, everybody says, it's all right. Well, I'm going to trick that back. Gil stole a half a sack. Stole a half a sack. You should have had two sacks in the game, but I got one and a half. Because it's funny, I told him, it was like one of the last, probably like 10 plays at the game, he didn't want to switch with me. But I was like, hey, man, I'm playing D and you play D tackle.

You ain't got to touch the guard, you ain't got to just run up and hit the guard in the face and then leap around. Yeah. And then I came and he wouldn't met me at the quarterback. But if you go back and watch the film to slow it down, I hit him first and then he just jumped off. Oh, nah. Yeah.

Damn. We won, though. So that's what I did. We did. Also, it's probably my last. question like dealing with the bucks can you tell me like because i know the communication with us with brady right was yeah did brady come because i remember brady telling bulls like what's the asking him what's the game plan for the defense of how our game plans should help y'all stay off the

field keep y'all fresh can you tell me how it was playing with somebody like brady well actually being a teammate with him yeah i mean i i thought it was great to be able to be teammates with him He and I had a lot of different conversations and interactions throughout the year in the years that we were there together. But I think he leaned on saying, hey, man, we're going to, you guys get us as many opportunities as you possibly can from a defense. We're going to keep y'all fresh. But I need at least a couple of turnovers here.

So I can be able to continue to put more points and we can separate and separate ourselves when it comes to being able to, whether we're trying to get two positions, possessions before we get into the half or get a double score or whatever it is saying we get the ball in the second half. Y'all got to get a stop here. Just understanding that part, those parts of the key elements of the game. And plus, I mean, shoot, if we can stop y'all and shut y'all down and piss y'all off and practice, I mean, hey, even the, it's going to be cakewalk when we get out there playing against everybody else. So, I mean, yeah, we never wanted to get y'all heard. But, you know, I love pissing young hawk dinner and practice, man.

Yeah, I was, I was telling, I was telling Juice about we had, we had like a live period at one point and, man, Devin got to a fight, right? And, you know, I kind of raised Devin from LSU and, you know, shit like that. And he kind of knows the ends and out of pissing me off. Like, so he, like, I guess I got the first down, right, as I'm going to nail. He still tackle me. But we get in a fight. You see Sue ass laughing, you know, like, Sue, like, Sue, not getting in all that shit.

So not touching nobody. You know, obviously nobody don't want to touch his big ass. So too back that laughing, brain. And I can say, honestly, those practices made us who we are, right? Yeah. The competition, you know, you, Jensen, as, y'all, you know, y'all going at it. You know what I'm saying? It was some of the best, the best, I would say, competition I've had my entire career at NFL, to be honest.

Yeah, man, it was good technical competition where dudes was physical, but knew when to pull off. Looked out for each other and took care of each other. So we would take it right up to that edge right before crossing the line, but it was still good because it kept us all sharp. Definitely. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new?

Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special.

So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential. title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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Yeah, you say everything happened for a reason. I was doing some researching, you know, on your pod, which is, which is amazing. By the way, no free lunch with the Domic and Sue. Make sure y'all go check that out. Yes, we need to come on there. Yeah, no, yeah. You both got to come on for sure. For sure.

Season one or season two coming up. No one. I'll make a have a. Yes, sir. So, and I overheard you saying that, Detroit didn't match what Miami was offering and that you possibly could have stayed in Detroit, but they ain't matched it.

My question is, would you have wanted to stay in Detroit, though, for the rest of your career if that was on the table? Hindsight, yes. My goal was to stay in Detroit, a thousand percent. And, I mean, I love that 2014 season was absolutely amazing. I felt like we had an opportunity to win a Super Bowl during that year. and Jim Carwell, man, I didn't want to leave him being my head coach. Like, I mean, we hit it off from day one before he was, what I first talked to him,

which was maybe two, three weeks or maybe a month before he got the head coaching job. Yeah. Because I was fortunate enough to be in that head coaching process to some extent. And then to have that year record setting defense and just the way he empowered me and everybody from that team. by no means that I want to leave. But also at the same time, I have to do what's best for my family. And I think ultimately, like, they didn't care to see me as a cornerstone of their defense, let alone their team and the organization.

And so a business is business at the end of the day. So if you don't see, if we're not aligned on that vision, then there's nothing for us to really talk about. And I remember vividly I was leaving church on a Sunday. my agent calls me and he's like Miami's got an amazing deal and Oakland has got a million dollars more

but I know you all about taxes and actually the true money that you're like to get Oakland is still in Cali so like yeah you're not gonna you're not gonna net even though their numbers bigger by a couple million bucks you're not going to get that same amount of money that you're getting from Miami so I was like all right

sounds like it's Miami me, but I still want to give Detroit an opportunity to match. Go back to them and see if they'll match. And yes, it would be a little bit of a paker because, yes, the taxes, California compared to Michigan and let alone all the reciprocal states that you have with Illinois and Wisconsin and whatnot. It wouldn't be in Minnesota. It wouldn't be that much of a hit.

Give them the opportunity to match. If they match right here right now, I'll come back to Detroit. It was ghosts. down as per the ghost i didn't i didn't know that right and also i feel like i feel like it kind of had a misconception a misconception of you too right yeah no you know you know even though i know you were doing like you know i advocate for you know they said you stumping on to my i say he and seen him fucking you know it's football it's football like you know what i'm saying oh no let's keep it 100 i've seen him but the people don't realize that prior to that

Land dirty. Punch me in my face. Hit me in my throat. If you go back and watch film and look at the tape, I told the red, the head white rep, we're walking up the tunnel at halftime. I said, you need to deal with this guard. He keeps punching me in my face, all the legal things. If you need to deal with him, if you don't deal with him, I'm going to deal with him.

And I end up having to deal with him. Man, man, $200,000 worth of fines dealing with it? Hey man Sometimes you make mistakes and you got to learn crumble No No No no I love it I love it bro

I love it I've had my fair share of runnings on the field too Bro and we're fine for a bunch of dumb Dumb shit that I've done as well But throughout that process right You end up signing to Miami Yeah One thing One story that I vividly remember all the time

I remember you coming in And I told I told Leonard this too I was like, man, I would kind of look, like, low-key nervous. This is like, this dude biggest shit that come and, like, talk to him or, like, say something, you know what I'm saying? And at the time, I was, like, kind of stepping into my own, right? Like, I hadn't, you know, really done much in the NFL. And obviously, you know, throughout your college career, NFL, like, you're all, you know, rookie at a year, all this stuff. You know what I'm like, damn.

And then I see, like, you walk in, you got your water jug still, like, Leonard's still talking about like that you had a temple. And I see, like, like, you have. like five like people behind you like doctors trainers like strength coaches i'm like who all these people is behind you then we go in a we walk into to the to the to the weight room and you working out by yourself yeah he does his own workout for sure man where did that start bro like when did you start like and and not that that's a bad thing not that that's a bad thing but i think it's a is a is a thing that I noticed that was also one of the reasons that I started taking care of my body more intentionally, right? Like, when did that start for you?

Because I didn't notice it, obviously, because I was never in a building with you until you came to Miami. So, like, when did that start? So it's funny. And I know you got a lot of shit about it, too. So tell us about that, too. Tons. Yeah. So it started, and it wasn't my fault.

It was a lockout's fall. I went through a lockout in 2011. That's right. 2010, I come, I'm drafted. I go to off-season workouts. I'm just falling behind Kyle Van and Bosch. He takes me under my wing, under his wing, and I'm doing everything that he does. Then the lockout happens going into 2011 season.

I'm like, what do I do? Like, I come back. They said, don't even come up to the facility. It's locked doors. Don't come up here. We don't mess with y'all, vice versa. Down. I'm like, dang.

So I come back to Nike. and I'm like, hey, can I use the facilities here? And they're like, yeah, no problem, go ahead. And I got super, super lucky. I met my performance director at that time, a guy named Keith Emilio. So he starts training me and understanding how things work. And what I've soon realized,

even for my reflection of my rookie season, the NFL is not like Nebraska or wasn't like Nebraska, where everything was at my fingertips or like LSU, everything's at your fingertips. And also that's my facility at LSU. I've been there. Before y'all's even there.

So I was running that campus before y'all was even at high school. Don't speak on our shit, bro, for real. But I realized, all right, I'm going to start to build my own team. So fast forward to Miami, like, I've now got the funds to kind of do whatever I need to do. Yeah. Fly people out. So I had my performance director, my physical therapist, my natural. all my folks. And again, this is kind of the abrasiveness of not understanding the emotional

intelligence, the EQ of how I needed to operate in kind of asking for permission versus just going about my business. Asking for forgiveness. Yeah. I was like, hey, man, you want me to play at the highest level? Let me do my thing. And then I'll produce and everything should be good. but it wasn't until and I love Dave Poloka who was one of probably the best strength coaches I've ever been around in the NFL he was an assistant head coach or assistant strength and conditioning coach

and he was like hey man let me work with you and fortunate enough he had relationships like intertwined with my performance director as well as my physical therapist so he was like hey I'm gonna train you like I'm gonna need you to do the warm up with the team and then you can go off on your own. Then you can start to do,

or you can come in early in the morning and do these different things. And so that's how I was like being able to finesse and maneuver around. But I just wanted that individual attention. I didn't want the group aspect of it, but I also understood I needed to be within the team and be able to do things as a collective.

But again, I wanted a specific structure that was built solely for me versus it kind of being, hey, y'all know when y'all go into the weight room, you've got 10 drills. Half the dudes are going to do it. Half the dudes aren't going to do it. And I wanted that individual attention,

whether it was from Dave or from my guys that created my program. So that was one of the reasons why I focused that way. No, and I love it, bro. And that, honestly, bro, that influenced me to be more intentional with my body as well. You know, and I think that as a teammate during that time, I know personally me, I never was like, well, he over there doing that, you know, this or that, right? because I know when you got to the field,

how you was representing yourself and the team when you got to the field, right? And mind you, that's really the only time that you ever really was, I don't say, not part of the team, right? But you're still showing up on time. You're still doing the warm-ups, like you said. And having that one-on-one time

is what most of these players need. And if you look at the NFL now, that's where it's heading to. That's how people are training now. Like, you know, the receivers go in at one point in time and all of the strength coaching assistants take one or two guys and they work on them specifically intentionally for them how they can get better and i think that's something that you know guys like yourself you know we see guys across other other other sports like lebron james right

other sports that christiano rinaldano ronado take care of their body right they have to they're they're the star for a reason they got to where they are for a reason man i wish we had the brawn treatment to where my man got his own trainer, the team pays for it, all these different things is my understanding. I was like, why can't that be in the NFL? Like, I mean, Lenny, you know when we was in Tampa, there were certain structures and certain things that are set up for certain people that, I mean, why can't I have this? But obviously, there's levels to it.

And I think there's, there's an opportunity to treat people fairly, but not equally. Because not everybody's equal, but we should be able to have the opportunity to be fairly treated throughout the organization. And again, if I'm paying for it, like, and it's going to benefit at the end of the day the bottom line of us winning, why would you care? Right. True. Bro, I remember you, like, if I'm not mistaken, you know, when our coach that we're talking about came to Miami, he didn't want you to, like, bring your bed into the, into the, into the, into the, into the hotel. And like, that was a whole, that was a whole thing for, for no reason. And you like, bro, like, like, I need my, first of all, I need my oxygen chamber. Like, I'm not going home. I'm not one of the guys like, like me as a young man. I would go to go to training camp, drive home for 20, 30 minutes, then drive back to the hotel. I'm swerving. Right? And you're like, no, like, I go from the facility to my room where I need everything that I need to show up tomorrow and be the very best. And he had a problem. And he had a problem. And he had a problem. And he had a problem. And he had a problem. And he had a problem. And he. And he. Like, problem with that. And, you know, it's crazy. People don't even know half of the stuff, right? But

it's, it's mind-boggling because it didn't affect him at all. And like the year before, when we had Coach Campbell, which I think that was the biggest mistake, he should have been the- Look at him now. Exactly. But he was like, man, I don't care if you stay home. Like, do your thing. Like, you know when to be up, be on time, do all these different things. But then you got this whole shift. of another coach that comes in and it's like, you're just making rules to make rules and make life difficult. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, what for? And it's like, man, I just want to be comfortable, which you're not going to let me sit, be at comfort of my own home. You might as well just let me bring everything here, transport it here.

Let me be comfortable within this space that you're requiring us to be. And then we can go about our business. But you want to nitpick and do all these things, man. Hey, Yep, definitely. And I think, and people might not think of this, but I think B.A. was a great head coach, right? Amazing.

Bro, he let, so if you was one of the guys, right, that were performing and, you know, and actually helping the team to win, week by week coming in, doing your thing and not bullshit, they had a list every Saturday of the guys who can sleep at home, right? So, I mean, brother, to me, that was heaven on earth. Dope coaching. He understands us.

He trusted us. And he's definitely, he was one of the guys that, all right, football is not all about football, right? You have kids, you have family,

man, step away, see your family, go take care of your business with your kids, man. That's one of the things I admire about him.

And obviously, I come from the old culture with Tom Cawfling where you and that motherfucker from six in the morning to 11 at night. So it's like, this bitch's like jail almost.

I'm like, damn, I'm ready to go home. It's being real. So it was kind of, Kind of a culture shock for me as well when he said, yeah, y'all get to go home and not only that, Jarvis,

we, and training camp, we got home at like 3.45 every day. Mm-hmm. So it's like, you see the homes, they're still practicing at 8.30. They're still out, bro. The shit was crazy, and I enjoy, and I thank God for that. They kind of put extra, I guess, years on my body from Tampa. I mean,

from Jacksonville, you know, because I was the workhorse. Everything was was always Lina, Lina, Lina, Lennon. left Lennon right and I never had any help. So by me coming here, it was an eye opener to not to see the play with great guys on both sides of the ball. And our first year, we had great guys, but that kind of had to win away. But just seeing guys like Sue, he took care of business, you know, like, what people don't understand. Like, and Sue, I always tell people. It's like, man, his demeanor, I say, bro, so fuck, fuck that part about his demeanor. Once you hear Sue

open his mouth and talk about business, talk about what's the, what's the next things in world that's coming upon us that we can invest our money in. See, that's the, that's the shit people miss out. And that's the shit we talked about even now in a couple of months back. I'm like, damn, Sue, like, you think I should put my money at? Like, what's the next big thing? And he always have the answer for that. And that's what I admire about you, my brother. I ain't a lie. I'm not trying to get-keep no information. I've been blessed to have great mentors that support me and give me a lot of insight. And I have a lot of conversations, a lot of opportunities that come across the table. But, I mean, why keep it to myself? Like,

They're not keeping it for themselves. So I love to share it and love having those conversations. And that's something I think from a brotherhood in sports and entertainment, just in general, we should always support each other. Like once we realize at a big scale that the power that we have in numbers, especially in this business world, man, we will move a lot of things in this world from a positive perspective, which I'm excited about. But to your point of Coach Arias, man, Coach Arias, man, he was one of the best. And I was like, I remember sitting here in my driveway here in Portland when he was like, man, I want you to come be one of my guys down here in Tampa.

And I was like, okay, that's interesting. And he was like, I asked him, like, you got a problem with me. Like, I'm in the phase of my life right now where I'm down to play. I get you everything, but I'm not practicing on Fridays. I was like, I'm not worried about that. No, it's crazy.

I forgot. You didn't practice on Fridays. Damn, I forgot about that shit. Nah, boss. Like, you see me Wednesdays and Thursdays, it's full of stuff.

Friday after that walkthrough, do so. Yeah. I'm goal. So, but that was like the transparent and true coaches, player things that coach erings did.

And I loved about being a part of that organization, him being the leader there. He, again, he treated everybody, fairly but not equally. And that was something that was that was super helpful, not only for me, because shoot, I end up having kids shortly thereafter, after two years being able to see them. Yeah. I get my PT seven. I could be there for dinner, like all those different things. And like

you said, even the guys that were at the facility until the very end, it's 345, 4 o'clock. I mean, you used to go pick up your kids on the way from picking up for school and get home. So it was a lot of club there. A lot of coaches don't realize, like, looking out for the man helps the player. You know what I'm saying? Like, being able to go have those time with your family, like, being able to, you know, and obviously there's some guys that we all know that bullshit with their time and, you know, not doing the right things. Those guys are not to be trusted. And I, I totally understand that, right? But, like, you know, I think it's a lost art to say that, you know, if you take care of the man and the man is, it's happy to player, you're going to get a good player,

you're going to get a great player. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts.

We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And, well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy. Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel. Help an

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Okay. Trap or Treasure. What we got? Trapper Treasure, right? I'm going to give you investments that athletes see every day. We know most at least don't just lose their money on bad ideas. We know they lose it on also unstructured relationships, right? Obviously, statistics show that over 70, 80% of guys after they're done playing or in some type of financial distress, right? So I'm going to list a couple of things. You say if it's a trap or is it, you know, it's a gold mine, trap or treasure?

Or you could pass. Do I get to elaborate on if it's a trap or treasure? Of course. Of course. Okay, okay. Let's go. You ready? Trap or treasure?

starting a restaurant with your friends. I'm going to say trap unless your friend is a chef and you have an amazing business operator that is helping and supporting you. Then it could be a treasure. A restaurant business, especially in this day and age. It's tough, man. It's tough.

It's tough. I've been fortunate, though. I've had a lot of success, but I've also had some failures that I'm trying to bounce back right now. Yeah. No, I love that. All right. What about a nightclub or a lounge investment? Trap or treasure? I'm going to say trap because I stay away from that nightlife. It's very finicky. Too much liabilities. Yeah, and usually nothing after midnight is nothing good. Nothing good after midnight happening.

You know it. Nothing good. So I'm going to say trap for sure. 100%. Buying exotic cars is assets. Trapped or treasure A hundred percent trap Once you buy a vehicle It's depreciating So it's a trap

So that mother's called the lap Yeah All right All right Um Um Um Um

Um Um Um Um Um Giving a family member money With no business structure

Right You know Somebody come to you I got a business I did Whatever Trapped It's a trap

All the way I mean Got to elaborate on that You just give the money My Just say it's a gift and give them a gift for young guys, listen to what this man that's saying,

because guess what, you give them their money, they will be back. They will be back in a couple of months. All right. Buying commercial property, trap or treasure? Treasure.

I'm a big real estate proponent of buying it, making sure that it's cash flowing. And again, it just depends on how you want to operate it. I mean, I have a development company, so I've got a great team that supports me

we do a lot of great things, whether it's from a non-profit perspective or from a for-profit perspective. But I think real estate, that's something that this world and God is not making more of his land. That's right. Definitely. That's right. All right. Trap or treasure, NFTs. Ooh, I think treasure, but it depends on how it's been involved. And I think over time, there was obviously a very peak and high level of a lot of the excitement around it, but I think the underlying blockchain and all those different things in crypto, I think it's here to live and be here for the long term. That's awesome.

That's awesome. All right. Trapper, treasure, hiring your friends over experts. I'm going to say treasure. If your friends have the same expertise and you have a quality relationship with them and you have clear expectation guidelines, it can be an amazing treasure. Some of my best friends that I like to be around, they're experts. Like one of my good friends is like one of my goals is once I'd become

hopefully a multi-millionaire billionaire or whatever it is. Like I would love for him to be my full-time security guard. But I can afford them right now. So like there's things like that. Like you can find ways to be able to make it happen. All right. Trapper treasure. Equity over cash deals.

Equity over cash deals. I mean, it's such a convoluted piece. Like I'm all about equity. Yeah. And so I'm going to say treasure. But again, it's a concept of if you, if your equity is worth zero, you wish you took the cash. But if your equity is worth tens of thousands of millions of dollars, you made the right decision. So it depends on what you're getting into. But I'm always going to choose equity over cash because cash is a finite piece where like you want it to become, you always want cash to be able to come and. go all the time. So equity is hard to get. It's very, very hard. Like the day and age of people, like you look at it in the housing market, it's easy for somebody to go rent, but it's hard for somebody to go buy because people don't have the cash to be able to have that down payment and have that equity and build it for a long term. That's right. That's right. I love that

answer. All right. A couple more. Trap our treasure saying no. If I understand the question correctly, it's a treasure. If you have the ability to say no, It's very powerful. In my year's plan, that was point one of the hardest things for me, too. Saying no to people that you love, that actually has been there your whole journey, right? And you know you got mad at love for it, but at the end of the day, you keep giving out, who's going to save you?

Yeah. That's right. That's right. All right, last one. Trapperet Treasure. Dinner with Sue or a million dollars? I'm going to take a million dollars. Oh, that's so bad.

Dinner for me. No, no, dinner with me and you is free. Yeah, no, but you know how I was going around at the time. You know, is dinner with Jay Z. You know, you know, like, there's value in knowledge. There's value in knowledge. Yes.

There's value in knowledge. But again, are we going to go have a business dinner? Are we going to go turn up and have a stay? No, no, no, no, no, no, no business. No, no, no, no, no, no, no turning up. No, like, you know, like, you're giving, you give a game, right? Like, you kind of, like, you know, say somebody wanted to come and following your footsteps, right? Like, a, Abdulah Carter, or some of these guys, right, these bigger defensive linemen in the game,

want to follow in your footsteps, right? Like, is it a trap or a treasure? Have dinner with Sue or a million dollars? Hey, man, I would love to, if they're ready to go, it's a treasure. I'll give you all the game I can give you when it comes to playing football, business, whatever it is. If I can, like, it's an example. Like, if you have a young D-Lyman that wants to play a taxile,

defensive line play, I mean, it's a treasure to sit down with people that have had the experiences prior to you. I wish I could have sat down with Reggie White, Warren Sapp, all these guys that I could have learned from. and understood how they played the game and why they played it a certain way so I could eventually not copy it but take bits and pieces to make it my own

and go from there. So it just depends on the context. But I feel like sitting down with Sue comes with two benefits. Not only are you learning the game, but you're learning their business. Yeah. And not everybody.

I don't disagree with you, but a key question, are they ready? I'll give you, shoot, and you know, Vita wasn't ready. And he was ready. My man took it to a whole other level. Definitely.

So it's all love. You know, you know what, bro? I think this is a bigger discussion that we should have, man, because I think there's an opportunity there. I know the NFLPA does some things, right? But I think there's a bigger opportunity there to also, like, you know, be able to have a panel, right? Get on the panel, right?

And explain the kids how they need to begin with the end in mind, right? And we heard that, right? And I think you actually like lived that, right? For me, you lived that, right? You were an example of that. You were example of a guy that was understanding how me going to Miami Dolphins would also put me in position in business, right? Well, also put me around the right type of people would also give me to understand how to handle business, how to structure business, who I need to make business decisions happen, right? And, you know, a lot of players aren't ready for that because we focus on in the game.

but I think that's the benefit that you would give beyond a Reggie Wright or Warren SEP, other grace that played the game because we look at you that way because of the way you played the game, but also, you know, as a businessman, bro, you always was that type of person I know in my life.

That has been extremely helpful. And I know that's your testimony and that, you know, even before you ready. Maybe you need a book called before you ready. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, like, because, because, bro, that's, you lived there,

bro, you did it. You know what I'm saying? And not too many people could say that. Yeah, but there's a lot of guys and girls that I just say, you got to be ready for it. It's just because you get the dinner and you spend the smile. Like, I just saw Warren Buffett and the curries are getting ready to do his famous dinner together. But if you win that dinner, are you prepared to have the types of questions or are you just enamored with being able to sit with Warren Buffett and Steph and Aisha Curry? Like, there's a big difference. Are you going to be able to absorb what they're talking about or you're just going to be enamored with just being in the same room.

That's a difference. I'm Chad GPT and everything and I can tech. I'm sitting now with Sue Laisha, Steph. Listen, I need every question that I need to make a billion dollars. Yeah. No, more than definitely, man. So we appreciate it. And this is my trap.

My trap of treasure, right? Is Pokemon called trap or treasure? Let me know. And I think it's treasure. I think they're coming back. We're going to be good. We're going to leave it done. But we got to go ask Gary V.

Gary Vee's big in the car space, man. We got to go ask him. I'm going to ask Gary Vee, man. But Sue, man, we'll appreciate you, man. Let's try to. We definitely have a set up a time and date to hop on your podcast. Let's do it. I still have more questions about business, right?

Me too. And I know we all shot on time. I got to pick my kids up also and do my things with my family. But, man, you know, my brother, I appreciate. I appreciate you the time I've got to know you. You're definitely a part of my family and part of my journey of becoming a Super Bowl champion along with yourself. I appreciate you, man.

I love you. And those kids, your son's what, six, six? Well, boys just turned five, man. Yeah, they're 10 years old, 10 years old, Joe. I'll tell you, they're 10. You know, that's big, boy. They look like they can. Yes, yes.

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