The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 4th & South - Tim Hardaway on playing young LeBron, Heat-Knicks rivalry, Pat Riley NEAR-DEATH story

Episode Date: April 15, 2026

Former NBA star Tim Hardaway joins Jarvis Landry and Leonard Fournette for an unfiltered, must-watch conversation. Hardaway recalls witnessing a young LeBron James in high school at St. Vincent-St. Mary High School as well as watching a young Isiah Thomas for the first time, and the impact watching legends growing up had on his game. Hardaway dives into the legendary Miami Heat vs. New York Knicks rivalry, the wild story of Pat Riley almost DYING on the Heat locker room floor, and the real, long-standing tension between him and Charlie Ward.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And if my mom wasn't there, they'd be sitting on our porch waiting for us. And we're back with another episode, fourth and south, with our guests, five-time NBA All-Star, all-NBA first team, 1997, three-time all-NBA, second team,

all-NBA third team, all rookie first team, 1990, all NBA, assist leader, 1997, Olympian Gold Medal inducted to the Naysment Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, member of the TMC era, no other than the killer crossover man from U-TEP, Golden State Warrior, Tim Hardaway seen. Crossover, God.

Yes, sir. I'm going to say that. Thank you, thank you. Glad to be here. First of all, y'all had everything. Yeah. I mean, everything. Yes.

Wow, I like that. You got the first time anybody had everything. So listen, listen, we're the type of guys, man, like when you're part of history and making history, you know, like the killer crossover, right? We can talk about your book. But I'm going to talk about the move. The originator, right? 100%. So you see today's game, you know, how to kind of duplicate the move.

How you feel about that? Love it. You know, they're still teaching it. Coaches are still teaching it. Players are still using it, and it's effective. James Harden, I see him use it all the time. In a national championship game, I saw Cadote. He used it against Connecticut and got to the basket and made a play.

So I see coaches still using it, still implementing in these guards games. And, you know, it just depends on what you feel comfortable with. I saw somebody do the sham guard one time. I saw somebody do something else sometimes. But it's all, as a guard, what you feel comfortable with on a basketball court, dribbling the basketball. And, you know, these guys feel comfortable in doing my move, which is great. And I always say, you know, I wish I could really catch it and write it down and show people,

yeah, you know, yeah, they still using my move. But by that time, man, I'd be like, man, forget that. I'm not right now. I forgot what time it was and all that type of stuff. So, yeah. But now, it's great. And, man, you know, it's fun to watch people do your move. Yeah.

Man, listen, we was taking pictures, man. I was like, you know me, I was kind of size of you, right? I'm like, you know what? Maybe back in the day, I probably would bust your ass. Just, that's how I feel. That's how I feel, you know? But who knows? Who knows?

Who knows what? Could have? You know what I'm saying? You know? You dropping 10, you drop in 10, 10, which is 20 and 20. We're not going to, I can't give you my points, right? But effort, though, it would have been half you to score 20 on me. Geel House rules.

Oof. Yeah, filing. You got to earn that. Oh. You know, I grew up in the streets of Chicago, right? Okay, okay. I'm from New Orleans, so, you know, similar. So, that's what we did.

We talked a bunch of shit. Yeah. And he's out there beating each of. up. Right. So what's you saying? I guess nothing. I mean, I guess that's a damn thing. It's not a damn thing. Not to me. You know, because that's what you do. Yeah. Okay. You know, somebody hanging on your arm and if it's for gang and you know that you need that to get off the court, you might not call a file and it goes in, man, that was a tough shot. How can we need to call a foul? Because I knew I was

going in. Yeah. Okay. You know, that's how you got to think and that's how we play. Yeah. No, mentality different. Mentality different. Very different. Yeah, I love that. I love that. Just like it was for you in football. Yeah.

You know, I mean, mentality was different. Like I told you a story. But, man, I saw my man get hit and I had my shoulder pads on. He was like, yeah, there's more to come. I just went back in the back. I said, this game is not for me. No, I went back and I sat in the stands, and that was it for me for football. Man.

No, 100%. Yeah, no, I think we've seen the rule changing for basketball, you know, a lot. You said that. You mentioned something about football, right? And I think also, if you think about it, the game in the 90s, y'all damn near playing football out there. No question. Physical.

No question. Elbows. Yes. People, I've seen people getting tackled, bloody mouth, fighting and still get back in the- No flagrant foul. You're not getting kicked out. None of that. How did you, I mean, how did you feel like a guy your size at a guard, you still?

was attacking the rim. You still had, you know, to go up against guys three times your size. Not afraid. Not afraid. That mentality, these rule changes, you know, you feel like you could play in this. I feel like you could play in today's era in your prime. No question. In today's era and probably double your points per game.

No question. But, you know, I grew up differently than these guys. Yeah. I grew up, you know, that's what we did. you know I knew I was short yeah it it wasn't like you know I knew I was going to grow to be 16 6 7 I I knew I was going to be short you know my my 6 7 yeah yeah whatever that is I was talking to my daughters about that I'm like whatever that is they explained to my wife I told her don't even listen to that leave that alone and she they was explained to it

my wife's like yeah you right that's left of the law So anyway, but you know, I'm just, you know, playing against tall guys all my life. I had to shoot over them. You know, but I had to practice. You know, we all had to practice some type of form by ourselves. So when kids tell me that they can't go out there and practice, you know, by themselves and work on their game by themselves, that's insulting my intelligence. That's insulting me as a basketball player. That's insulting me as an athlete because you got to go out there and work by yourself.

Even if you dribbling the basketball up and down the street or in your drive, you know, just go through moves. I tell kids, look, just imagine somebody you don't like or somebody went at you and you go out here and you go at them and you do in and out moves. You do between the leg and you do spin moves, but do it at game speed. Yep. Do it at game speed and you'll get better. So when I was in my basement by myself,

And I was playing a game. It was two beams in a basement, an unfinished basement. And I'm just working, man. I'm just working. I'm just doing my thing. And my mom, like, what was you doing down there? I'm an all-out sweat downstairs. And downstairs, you know, and downstairs, you know, is no heat down there.

Yeah, no AC, yeah. No AC, no heat. But I'm because I'm in the basement, it's winter outside. So I'm downstairs just doing something because, We only had three, four channels, you know, you have, you know, these, all these, you know, we have phones, you know, self, nothing like that. So you had to make something read or make something up and do or do something. You know, you read a little bit for an hour and then after that you want, you need to move. Yeah.

And I was downstairs moving. I was downstairs working on my game, which was fortunate for me. And that's why I was able to go out there and dribble the way I dribble the way I, um, dribble the basketball and the, No, that's what's up. I honestly, I felt like, you know, I had a similar experience growing up where, obviously we had a TV and phones are around at that time, right? Yeah, you what, 99? 92.

Yeah. That's what my son was born, too, so, yeah. So I was able to watch, like, SportsCenter. And SportsCenter also, like, helped me evolve as, like, a baseball player. He helped me involve as a basketball player, football player. Like, I'll see SportsCenter Top Ten, and I'm thinking to myself, man, I'm going to be on sports in the top 10 one day. And I go outside, make the diving, catching baseball, make a diving, catching football, start envisioning, putting myself in those situations.

And honestly, that led me through my whole entire career in sports. I always practice that way. If I was doing drills in the off season, I always had that in mind. Man, Richard Sherman in front. Man, Dorel Revis in front me. You know, like that little move that I made, that shit ain't going to work. Like, I need to make sure it's... Exactly.

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I mean, sometimes you could look at it. Because you're catching the transit, Chicago Transit Authority, and you look out and see if you get off at this stop, and if you can't, you just get off two or three stops before that because you just see way down the street, and you'd be like, oh, they're waiting for me. Let me get off here, and let me go around this block and get them. Because, I mean, it wasn't like one person or two people.

You might can fight two people. Right. Three, four, five? Yeah. No, you're not going to fight them. Not today. Not every day. Yeah.

You know, not every day. A friend of mine, he said, because they knew his mom left while he was at practice in grammar school. Yeah. And they knew his mom left for night going to work at night. And they used to wait on his porch, wait for him and his brother on his porch. I said, man, why are you joining the game? He said, Tim, they beat me down, man. And we used to, me and my brother, we used to kick their ass.

But he said, we got tired of fighting them every day. Wow. He said they used to fight every day. I said, his name was Mark. I said, Mark, you got to be kidding me. You used to fight every day. He said, Tim, every day when we leave this gym and go home. and if my mom wasn't there,

they'd be sitting on our porch waiting for us. And we had to go on the porch to get in our house. And I was like, wow. So, you know, that's how it was. They'd beat you down. They'd beat you down. But, I mean, they knew why I live, but they knew my dad too.

So if they was on my porch and my, you know, my parents was there, my dad would be, you know, whatever. So they had to catch me before I got home. Yeah. I used to run down. alleys. I used to run three or four blocks down and come back around. I used to, man,

you'd be running and I had a backpack in my basketball, man. I'd be up under cars and had, you know, the snow. Man, I mean, you got, I mean, it was tough. Yeah. It was tough, man. So, yeah, I mean, but you got to be strong. At times

when a couple of guys catch out, you got to handle your business. You got to handle your business. And you got to know how to run. When to run. You know how to run and when to run. But, you know, then sometimes, you know, you're somewhere, and they're about getting neat.

The guy be like, yo, man, leave that man alone. You know, stuff like that. So, I mean, but you just had to have character. You had to understand where you was at, how you can talk. Your friends, your family, who you, your friends, who you could trust that can help you out in situations like that. Your family was always there. You know, cousins, aunties, uncles, you know, whatever.

We was always there for one another. But, you know, just growing up, it was just tough with drugs, with alcohol and gangs. Man, it was just tough back in the 70s and 80s growing up. You just had to, first of all, you had to have strong parents. Yep. Oh, for sure. You had to have strong parents, and you had to, you know, have strong people that you believe in. and you just had to know how to carry yourself.

Yeah. So besides the gang, right, 80s, that's like the crack era almost, right? Yeah. Yeah, the crack era. Yeah. And it's funny, like you were saying, as far as, you know, walking home, right?

So I know in the South where I'm from, all my, we all, damn it all my cousins went to the same. We all went to the same school. So it's like almost four, it's like, I'm telling you, the whole neighbor, like four of us walking from the bus to the house, right? But I know for a fact, us, we would have beat the fuck out of them,

And we would have fought every day because that's something my father taught me, right? I was 40, y'all, they went to the next to you. Y'all. Y'all was deep. No, we, we, we wasn't deep like that.

You know, you might have five guys walking together. You might have one guy walking by himself. You know, he might have to catch up with these guys. I mean, but, I mean, we, everybody, a lot of people went to different schools when high school. Okay.

You know, so everybody didn't go to the same school in the neighborhood. Yeah. I draw, I had to an hour and a half You know to get to school Yeah I would have

Because I chose this school And I could I could have transferred Man I could have transferred But when you make a decision Stick with it You gotta stick with that decision That's what I did

Yeah because I know Who would be the piss Out of them boys out there Every day And something you used It hit me right You're talking about your parents Right

And I you know we both fathers Yep Right And I know you was kind of tough On your son In the beginning With sports right And I'm kind of trying to not do that with my sons.

But I was brought up different. Yeah, I was brought up different, right? Can you tell me how. It's hard, man. Yeah, it's definitely hard because, like, man, my youngest son, right? You know, he's not a cry, baby, but I'm like, stop crying. Like, I don't want to say what I want to say, but it's like. I know exactly what you want to say.

So it's like, can you, my father tried to help me, but can you help me, like, being in your, your statue, right? You're a Hall of Famer. Yes, sir. How did you kind of mold that to not put how you was brought up on your son? Because I know, bro, when I was six years old, I'm crying. My dad are like, man, look, you're being a hole. Wipe your face.

Get your shit together. And we're going out there. My dad did the same thing. Listen, you know what? Hey, I love that. I love that. So I'm not tripping. My dad did the same thing.

You're going to stop crying. What's you crying for? That's not going to help learn from. from it, learn from the experience, learn why you got beat, learn why this guy is better, and you learn how to do this, learn how to do that. My dad always told me, you know, basketball, y'all, he said, I hate when these people are talking about positions, you're a point guard, you're a two guard, you're three, even four, power, four, this and that.

He said, I used to play all positions. I could stick all positions. That's what you should be able to do. And I train myself to stick all positions. I used to go out there and be a forward when I'm supposed to be in guard, these other guys let them be guards. I used to box out people and rebound the ball. But getting back to your question, man, it was hard.

Yeah. But I was tearing up, I was tearing up the house. You know, it came to a point where I was watching games. It was a beautiful day. Sunday, right here in Pine Crest, me and my family, chilling, wife cooking and this and that. We just, and the playoffs on it. I said, hey, Tim, man, let's watch the game.

He said, no, no, no, I'm going on. a friend watch game, but I saw his face how he said no. He said no and respect. But his face was like, man, I'm not fucking with you today. That's how his face look. That's how his face looked.

And I heard what he said, but his face said something else. So I can't say like, yo man, I see your face. Your face is telling me something else. You know, then that would have been another stuff. So I looked at him and I, what my wife and

what my daughter's told me said they said leave him alone leave him alone and why don't you encourage him and why don't you talk to him and stop talking about basketball all the time just stop it and when i saw his face that's when i said because that that that really hurt me yeah he don't want to he don't want to hang out with pops yeah that really i mean like that really tore me down i mean i didn't share no tear but i was i was just close i was real close and and And from that point on, I say, you know what, I'm going to leave him alone. I rather, I don't want to divide the household up. I don't want him to say, because of you.

I don't love the game. I don't love the game. Yeah. I don't want to play basketball no more. Yeah. So I shut up. And it was hard to do. It was hard to do.

But when I shut up and started watching him play, I was like, he is out there doing what I asked him to do. He is out there trying as hard as I asked him to try. He is out there doing everything that he can do for his team to win. And I just left in law. He got in the car and I said, good game and

y'all learned from it. And if they won, you know, I'd say good game. That was a great game. You know, way to beat that team. That was it. And when he was looking at me like... That's it? That's motherfucker changed. Right. He changed.

And I changed. And that's when our relationships started growing. That's when he started asking me questions. That's when he wanted to know a lot of other stuff. So I tell. And, you know, it was kind of, I probably wanted it more than him. Yeah. I saw it in him. And I wanted him to be that way and see it early. But some things kids don't see early. You know, and you got to understand that. and bring them along the way they're going to be brought along. And I tell parents that don't, it's not for you, first of all, it's for them. Because you never know what might happen to you, but their lives still go on. And they got to love their life and they got to love what they're doing in their life. So why don't you encourage them instead of, you know, talking bad to them and just, you know, and just sitting in the stands and be quiet. Because you're yelling at the referee or you embarrassing them with the referee.

and this and that's netto with the coach, that's still hurting them. Yep. You know, that's still causing friction between you, him, and the coach and the referee. Team mates and all that type, and the parents. Yep. So, yeah, I mean, just leaving it long. I know it's hard. Yeah.

Believe me. I know it's hard to do. But, I mean, once you be quiet, watch your son or your daughter excel. Man, so, you know, all the famer, you know what I'm saying? Great career, great career, great career. and you know our sons you know my sons are nine and six right man that have to be a great feeling right how your career went and your son is playing right now right man how how proud how proud are you of him man because like i can i can only imagine me personally like if my anyone in my son

because i speak life and it's all my kids right right i try to manifest from like you know even when they have bad i'm like bro you know you're gonna be number one player like yeah you know what I speak that I speak that in to them but you're supposed to but your son is living the same dream as pops like yeah

when you see him on that TV man how they make you feel you know it when I'm sitting at home by myself and like my wife and my daughters

walk past me they say why are you smiling I said because I'm enjoying my son play the game of basketball that's you play That's me.

I'm living the second life. When he went to the final four and they lost in the championship game, I was playing in the game. A lot of people was like, yo, I said, I was playing. I was playing. Full court pressure. My wife's like, why are you sweating? I'm like, I'm playing.

She said, damn, you're sweating like you playing. I said, y'all don't understand. I am playing in the NBA finals. People are like, they shaking my hand. Why your hand so sweaty? because I'm about to hoot. You don't understand. I'm about to hoot.

Yeah, I'll get it. Your son is hooping. Yes. I'm hooping. We won, motherfucker. We're hooping. They're like, damn. I'm like, yeah.

So every day, man, especially when he's on, man, my chest is so far out. I mean, my head is so far up. I'm in cloud nine. Man, it's a feeling that I can't even describe to y'all. y'all just have to feel that feeling man I'm gonna tell you this it's like getting a car that you want every time getting that motherfucker you're like

oh shit I love this motherfucker I'll tell you that that's how I feel when motherfucker getting a Bentley or Ferrari or whatever it is you look at it you're like oh shit this motherfucker is sweet you know that that's how you feel when you're getting your car that's yours I'm like that's how I feel

when I got my shit you know but you Yeah, but, no, that's how I feel when I'm watching my son. I'm like, yeah, he should be six men of the year war. I don't know why y'all not talking about him, but he should be six men of the year war. Not planning. 2026.

He's had done enough more than anybody in the NBA off the bench today. You heard it here first, right? Because, man, like, see, like, when you speak enough of that, but that gave me so much empowerment for my son because, bro, my dad was a street dude, but a great guy. My dad was too. Everybody loved him, right? So, listen, my dad is your dude.

My dad was playground lecture. Played park ball. He said, man, you heard about the little dude they got. You know, he's coming up. But he talked about me. Right. You're always speaking the third person, right? So it's like, and now that I'm old, I'm like, damn, I wonder how my father felt when I was doing my thing.

Because I was one of the first, all my, everybody. Like, we had dudes in my hood that did it, but I did it to the highest level. Yeah. He was walking around talking cash money shit. That's what he was going. Still to this day. To this day. His chest was out like, yeah, motherfucker.

That's my son. They saw him come down the block. Oh, shit. Here we go again. Here we go again. But I mean, but that, that's how proud parents are because they, you don't know what they went through. Yep. You know.

What they fault and how they fall. and how they fought to get where they at. And, and it's just tough, man. It's just tough. I don't, I hear what they're saying, but I can't really speak for, like my dad or your dad. I really, because I don't, I hear things. But it was because of you, you know,

and that's why you got your ass work, you know, because what he did, he don't want you to do. That's right. So he don't want you to be in that predicament. So yeah, man, I, yeah, I mean, he walking around. He's proud. He's proud because you did it. He knew what you could do, but you did it.

He had something to do with it, but he really didn't have nothing to do with it because you did all the work. He just was there saying, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, let's go. You want to eat something to eat? Yeah, right. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers, and guess what? We have some big news.

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and live that shared dream, but then also see your son, you know, or your children, you know, walk their own paths as well. You mentioned a little bit about it in the book as well, a lot of bit about it in the book as well. What advice throughout those big moments that, you know, especially around basketball, right, have you given some junior and you mentioned, you know, final four game, you mentioned the championship NBA, obviously right now. He's a ship, be up for the Sixth Man in the Year Award, right? Like, what advice are you giving them right now as a father, you know, not the basketball player, right, but as a father, like, whether that's stayed a course, you know, whether that's

just keep doing what you're doing? Like, what's those conversations like right now for you at this point in time? Always believe in yourself. Always have confidence in yourself. I know you get down. Everybody gets down. Everybody has a bad day. You know what?

Always, always, always have confidence in yourself that next time you shoot the ball, next time you play defense, next time whatever, on that court, you're going to make a positive, positive outcome. Yep. All right. And always, always, always keep your confidence and always go out there and play with a lot of confidence. Don't never let nobody take your confidence away from it. And always believe in their work that you put in.

That's all I say. He was, one day he was, he called me up, man, there's some BS. I said, what's wrong? Man, I'm shooting the ball and I can't get my rhythm back and this and that. I said, Tim, want to tell you some. All right. You're not going to shoot a thousand percent for a year. Did you, yeah, don't miss some.

You, you, I was over 17 in the game, and I still got the record. But, hey, all the famous. But, right, but I still, but we won the game, I did with, I mean, it didn't stop me from playing the game. But the thing is, is, I say, still, keep shooting the ball with the confidence. Yeah. You know, and, and, I mean, threes. Threes go in, and threes don't go in. that's the way it is

but but but you got to shoot the ball with confidence the next time you shoot you're going to know it you got looking in you know it's going to go in that's all I can tip yeah no for sure and we talk about coaching we talk about

mentorship we talk about you know giving good advice I know coach Pittman with somebody that was instrumental you know in your development can you talk about your relationship and you know how that mindset developed in you started young sixth grade um tried out for the sixth grade team he said okay come back and try out for the seventh grade team tomorrow i said i come back tried out for the seventh grade team he said hardaway come back and trial

for the eighth grade team he said i know this i because i was short it was in the 70s it was guys six nine back then they were six nine six 10 yeah yeah and grammar school so So he said, and after we play, he said, you know what, you could have made the eighth grade team. Yeah. I just can't put you on here because you're too short. Yeah. Wow. You know, and that was that.

So it started then, you know, after school, running 15 minutes around the gym, calisthenics, you know, doing the mic and drill, you know, going through. through the fundamentals of the game. Bounce pass, one hand bounce pass, one hand, I mean two hand bounce pass, you know, layups the correct way, all that type of stuff. It was just a foundation that he put into me and made me understand how to be a team player. Yeah.

You know, what it takes to be a team player, but you got to be in shape, you know, you got to be healthy. You got to know the fundamentals. You got to know how to play And it went from there But see a lot of guys In grandma school Didn't know

I used to play pickup basketball Against grown men In sixth grade, seventh grade That matters So that matters big time You know bumps in the news We're talking about crime Yeah, one time

This dude did me so hard Made a tear come out Oh, you big punk Yeah You little boy You're a little boy He can't come back I said, man, you hit me so hard.

I wouldn't get up and swung on you. That's what I want to do. But I, but, you know, I was too small. You might have hurt me. But yeah, that's how hard you hit me? I said, okay. I said, I know how to do it next time. So I build myself up and I used to get guys back.

Yeah. I used to get guys back. I didn't get my leg back. That's that new all of it. I used to get my lick back for real. I remember how hard you hit me? 100% Yeah, and when I hit you back

I say, yeah, that shit didn't feel so good, did it? You remember, it might be a year. It might be a year later. Oh, yeah. But I'm gonna get my lick back. Like it was yesterday. Yeah, like I remember it.

Yes, sir. Like it was yesterday, but I'm gonna get my lick back. But, you know, so I, you know. That's funny. This motherfucker-cure is, man. No, hey, I was just, I was just, you wasn't like that on the field? I was like that on the field, too.

I was the same way, right? because I'm my boy cousins I was probably like the third youngest right but I was always big tall so we play in sidelot football my cousin slammed me into the AC right so listen this is that this is how gay-s this shit was

I was about to start crying look what I seen the sign lot my fucking daddy yeah so you know what I had to yeah yeah that shit heard it did brush it off yeah because I knew if I cried yeah he didn't get hurt did it hurt took all the fucking out of my back but if I knew if I would have cried

He would have made me fought my cousin. Right. Because that's the type of mentality he taught me, right? So even like I told you all this before, LSU, when I'm not having the best game, he had texted me like, man, look, you're straight. But in my mind, I'm like, oh, fuck, I know what that means, man. You're playing like a bitch. I'm like best saying no more I got you.

Sometimes it don't mean that. He just probably saying, you have something wrong with you. You might have a bad day or something like that. I know my dad. Even though I'm old than not, he's not going to say that. But it's something that he taught me from a child There's an automatic click on my head like You ain't playing right

Yeah Because when I'm playing right You get no text You good Yeah So it's like alright Let me get my shit together I'm probably planning off

Next thing you know 180, 200 We good We back We back man pot's back out of you We're good Proud of you son I'm proud of your son

Right right Right Keep up the good work You know my cousins They used to beat me up Give me frogs and stuff like that tick on me and all that type of stuff. Yeah.

But yeah, but we went to the basketball court. 100%. Plus the ass. Little elbow here. A little elbow there. Oh, they were like, oh, you give me an elbow. I said, what you mean? Yeah.

You know what? Playing the game. Yeah, we're playing a game. Push him down hard foul. Yeah. Damn, you're going to hard foul? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

When I got to, like, college, I was like, yeah, y'all remember those files I used to get y'all. Yeah. And they used to get, yeah. like yeah yeah that was kind of hard man I was like yeah I was getting y'all back from when y'all bullying me bullying me yeah they was like oh we thought that but you was like no we yeah I say yeah you know what bro that's the game within the game but now I'm big and now y'all I can tell you what I was doing now now I can fuck y'all up but listen honey listen that's some of the best thing because you know like I had my older because they used to fuck me up right yeah so now that

I'm I'm still I'm still younger than them but I got size now Can't do nothing with me Right So you know what I do We go wrestling My eyes to choke the motherfuckers They pass out Oh my gosh

He's doing the same They do me the same thing Right No no No no You guys I mean Hey man

What family is cool You gotta get that Get back These first cousins Hey man I owe my brother some shit too Oh no hold on Oh no hold on

We We bring up the back Yeah You're about to make me I'm about to turn up Like Tim Harder Hey man You gotta get that

Get that kid back Oh my god Guy said, you know, to me the other day, Dan, you get your get back? Yeah, I said, man, I got my get back a lot of time. That's crazy. You just don't know which one because it was so many. I slapped you on the arm on hard.

You was like, damn. My bad, my bad, my bad. Yeah, I was like, yeah, I just filed you, man, because, you know, you're on a row right now. I just want to get you off your row. It's smack him real hard on his arm, like, pow! Yeah. He's like, was that they get back?

No, man, that was just, you know, you don't know when I'd get you back. Man, I didn't get that man back. So many. That tight shit. Yeah. No, it's definitely a game within the game. I was like that on the field,

but I, same thing, number 45, all right. Yeah. Boom. I might not get you this game. You're gonna get it.

But I'm gonna catch you. Yeah. And when I catch you, it's up. Yeah. He missed the ball. He was like, oh,

yeah, you heard me. You heard me. Yeah. You heard me. You heard me. You heard me. You heard me.

You heard me. Yeah. That's all I was saying. Especially my young, my young, young, Young juice, young me. Yeah.

Oh man, I wanted everything, everybody. You couldn't even talk shit to me. Like, it was a thing. You're taking it personal. Everything personal. Everything personal. And then by school, when you catch the ball, I'm coming to you, come and find you. Like, yeah.

Like, what's up? Did you go to anger management? I probably should have been, Tim. Honestly, I probably should have been an anger man. But it was a mindset of a mentality of how I grew up. I got to ask you a question. I want to know, was this you in college? Talk is for him or me

You Okay Now Y'all was number one right At one point we were Yeah And y'all lost the gang Bama

And you hit that guy You hit a lot of people Yeah that's right After the game After the game I was in the NFL Okay I want to always ask

Why did you hit that man After y'all lost But okay Oh man You try to get a lick back Right away So you talk about When I got into the fight

Right. So I was in Jacksonville. This is a, it was a $200,000 fine too. I wasn't in the game, right? And I just seen it. I just seen him in the airport when I landed. You know, we're good friends now because, you know, over the years, when I went to Tampa, to Buffalo, we kind of became close or whatever.

So, bro, Tradavis White, one of my former teammates from Louisiana, you know, so doing a break, you got to break during the game. We talk him. TV timeouts. TV timeout. He's like, man, get your bitch ass more. So I'm like, I'm telling you, like, you, like, you today. I'm saying, let this bitch know.

Like, is that what you told you? Yes, bro. He was tripping. So he's like, yeah, we got all so weak in the Charlotte. I bet not catch you that. I say, bet. So we went three and out. Me and T.J. Yeldon, Alabama running back at the time.

We talking. I said, after this game, we're going to get this bitch. But I don't know what happened. I ran off my side line to the bill side line to the bill side line, to the bills tie line and bro it's like he's the only

person I seen bro I don't it's everybody fighting we blacked out yeah bro so it was

it was one of it boy tweaking yeah it was one of one of them one of them young mistakes

I made and you know do I regret it no because I obviously to me I earned respect

yeah like you're not just gonna tell me anything and it's gonna be no repercussions it's ass

what was behind right so you live you learn yeah you're you're talking

out there no it gets like listen in them piles yeah It gets real. Yeah.

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You spoke about, you spoke about, I'm just letting you know. I saw you on a show. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. I saw you on a show. That's terrible. I think on Gills show, and you was talking about rivalries, and he was talking about how, like, you know, during rivalries,

it ain't known, like, after the game, we're shaking your hand. We're not shaking your game before the game. We're not picking your hand before the game. We're not picking nobody up. We'd have been on the same team cutting up. Oh, I love you. Oh, for sure. But I can't touch you.

Yeah. All the time I can touch you is when I file you, We hand checking and all that type of stuff. After the game, 100%. See, I don't understand these, like, even with the- I'm walking right past you, like, you wasn't even there. Yeah, the younger generation, when they lose, they go,

and they're smiling. Man, fuck you. And tell I meet you again. No, I'm taking that shit. Yeah. Taking that shit. Take that shit way all the way into the off-season. So, dude.

It happened like that. So me and Charlie Ward, you know, we's at the, after we beat them, And went to the Nike thing over in China somewhere. And we got on the bus and we didn't speak. And I didn't speak to him. We didn't even look at each other and this and that. But we go do stuff with, you know, with the kids and stuff. And we just wouldn't speak.

And people started noticing that, you know, we, like, this was still going on. And the playoffs was over with, you know, probably about, what about? four weeks ago, something like that. So I said, look, Charlie, I said, you know, we ain't got to like each other. But just for the respect for the kids and the people here, you know, that brought us down. Get along. Nike and stuff. Let's just get along.

Say what's up in the morning. Hello, good morning. You know, that's this. We ain't got to talk. But we just got to be respectful towards each other. He's like, all, cool. But as soon as we got back to the airport on our way back home, it went right back to. to it, man, fuck you.

It's stuck. It's up. It's up. But, I mean, that's the way it was, man. I mean, we could, I mean, but see, that's what Pat Rowley did with the Lakers. Then he did it with New York Knicks. Then he did it with us, with the Miami Heat.

You know, it was just tough, man. I picked, it was a friend of mine. I knocked him down, and I picked it. I think it was Mitch. or it could have been raw stricken I don't know picked them up they was like oh you gonna get fine I was like for you I get fine you my guy yeah

but anybody else you know I'm not gonna get fine and yeah I got a pink slip yeah man I feel that I feel the same way I ain't never take it easy on my teammates either like especially like doing doing practice doing OTA training camp when we really getting it out the mud

it's really like I don't when we gets back into the locker room then we can you know we can lower our lower the vibe but like, but everything out here is personal, period.

And I think that that mentality, you know, we start to see that. I think kids are drifting from that a little bit. It's gone away for sure. But that meant, can you speak about that? Kids, I feel like times are changing in that way. So in football, it's totally different.

You know, you all are, you got to keep your job. Somebody's trying to get your job every day. You know, every week somebody getting your job. In basketball, we know who was this, who going to come off the beach. Ben, who is the man, this and that, and when you come in. But in training camp, for the first seven to eight days that you practice, the coach

wants you to be ready because this is how we're going to play for two and a half hours against another team. So every day, you're going for two and a half hours. If it's two and a half hours in the morning and two and a half hours in the evening, that's what you're doing. to get yourself in shape, to get all the soreness out because you're going to be sore and to get ready for how we're going to play and what we're going to do out there on the core. How physical are we going to be defensively because it starts on the defensive end. It's all about defense.

Everybody got to be on the same page. We're picking up full court. Yes, sir. We're in your butt. You know, we being physical with you because the referees can only call so many files like, like, or, like Detroit Pistons. If you watch them play, O KC play, San Antonio Spurs play,

you know, those guys are up into you. I mean, up into you. And you got to understand that if you're not ready for their force, you're going to get blown the fuck out. So you got to come and be ready to play. And that's the way we was with the Miami Heat. We came and we was up in you

and you felt our presence. you felt our physicality, you felt our mindset, and if we went to overtime, you felt our freshness because that's what we do and we wasn't tired. You practiced that way. That's what you guys carried the Miami Heat, New York Knicks rivalry. Yeah. How was that?

All that intensity, that attitude. Man, it was a lot of attitude. Man, it was just crazy. Because Pat left and came to Miami the way he did. did and he said he apologized, you know, way down the line. But yeah, it was, it was, it was. You apologize for how we played a game? No, apologize for why he, how he left.

How he left, you know, it's supposed to have been a fax instead of going there and telling them that he's leaving. But, you know, it was just, you know, I feel that he didn't, he didn't want to face them because of he didn't want to see everybody there. history yeah you know what he had did with the history and all that type of stuff so i think that he did it that way so he he wouldn't see you know because he probably would have went back yeah you know you know even though he signed a contract he probably would have went back so yeah that's why i think he did it that way hey it's that time and doing this segment yes lennie's locks sponsored by

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Man, I got a bunch of Pat Rowley stories, man. Pat Rowley, um, um, one time we, man, we're in the, we're in the, we in the locker room after a game. And, um, he was like, yeah, that's how. you play and he stuck his head in some cold water. They had the cool all litter. So I am, you know, it's for your feet. For your feet. Yeah.

Some crazy shit. They had to go in there. They had to go in there and check him out. Make sure he was all right. The doctor, they had to bring like the paramedics to make sure that he was all right. Like a shock. Yeah, it was shocked. Yeah.

It shocked him how cold that shit was. Damn. Yeah. Damn, Pat. That's why my man, that agent, he doing his thing. He's fresh up top, you know what I'm saying? Let me get tomorrow. He's still fresh up top.

But I'm going to tell you this. If you wasn't, I was always ready to play. I was always like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm ready to bustle by his ass. I'm self-motivated because that's the way I was. But he gave you a speech. You might have heard it twice. you might not have it, but he gave you a speech,

you'd be like, yeah, I'm ready to set this motherfucker off. That's how it was. I'm like, yeah, that shit was cool. You're like, yeah, let's go. Let's go. But yeah, man, that's how Pat Riley was. Always prepared, had his team prepared, always was focused, had his team focused, and ready to play.

And that's the way we was. And I loved it. People couldn't hang with practice, but I love practice. And I love going there, you know, getting ready or stuff. Sometimes, you know, it's overboard. Then sometimes you need it. Yeah, man, I want to pick back on Coach Pittman, right? And I know we're kind of going backwards, but can you explain to us how it was when he showed you Azad Thomas?

Oh, man. Wow. So I'm in class. And he just come and just take me out. Hey, grab the coat. And, you know, I got him. We're going somewhere. Wow.

And it was back then, it was the amphitheater. What, you know, where the circus used to come and all that type of stuff. And sitting up high stuff. And he said, yeah, this high school playoffs. You know, just Catholic lead playoffs today. And I was like, okay, cool, cool, all right, all right, cool. I'm looking. He said, yeah, I want you to take, look at it.

number 11 in white, St. Joseph. I'm like, okay, all right, I'm checking them out. Looking, I mean, he's out there doing his thing, Isaiah doing this, coming down, passing the people, people laying it up. He didn't have the best squad, but he had, you know, he gave him confidence. He was their leader.

They, you know, whatever he did, they'd run through a brick wall for him. And I'm like, damn, okay, all right. I said, why am I looking at him? He's like, yeah, you play like him. I said, man, get to fuck out. I said, oh, I'm sorry. I said, for real?

I play like that. He said, yeah. He said, we just don't have film. You know, you can't watch yourself. Like seeing yourself the first time. But, yeah, you play like him. You give your team confidence. You go to the hole like that.

you do this, you do that. And right after that, I patterned my game after Isaiah Thomas. That's awesome. I watched him because he went to Indiana, University of Indiana. We used to get some Indiana games here and there. But I used to keep up with his stats.

I used to keep up with him. And then he went to Detroit. You used to watch him as much as I can. But, man, I see him making a right-hand layer right over the rim. I used to jump right over the rim, make a left, right-hand layer. You used to shoot off the glass, all this stuff. I just patterned my game and dribbling like he dribbled all that type of stuff and just

patterning my game after him. Out of all these players that you mentioned that, you know, maybe didn't make it or came before you, who do you see right now playing a game that like resembles, you know, your style of play? Because I would say, I would say, you know, I'm born in 92, obviously, so I didn't watch you play personally. But going back and watch you play, right? You were part of the point guards that start.

of initiating scoring, right? Correct. Like you are like the Mount Rushmore of guards that knew how to handle the ball, get teammates involved and score, right? No. Who do you see nowadays that you like the most out there from a point guard perspective or from a guard ball handler perspective? Jalen Bronson, Shea Gilder's Alexander.

100%. Steph Curry. Um, I say, I couldn't jump like him, but, um, Vassel from the Spurs. You know, I used to bully some people like he does. Yep. Who else? Talking about small guards, you know. Yeah.

Um. So I think who else out there as well. Not a lot, though. It's not a lot. It's not a lot. But the Jalen Brunson, SGA, and, um, the vassal. Yeah. Oh, Murray

from Denver. Nice. Yeah, he's real nice. Coming back out of them injuries. Yeah, he's real nice. But before he got injured, bro, he was... Yeah, but now he's back to that normal... That caliber.

Yeah, that caliber of what he had, before he got hurt, you know. But, yeah. Yeah, no, that's definitely a great list. I feel like the NBA has changed so much. You've seen it or you've been a part of it. What do you think? about what do you think about our guy man out in two three out in los angeles they got a couple more

years left no question yeah i'm going to tell you this what he has done the body of work and everything he has done um is phenomenal yeah and what he has i mean he just keep defying people he keeps defying for all the time because he's healthy too he's healthy but he I mean some people at 41

42 42 43 not jumping like that no that played in NBA just ain't jumping like that and still have the athleticism that he has

yeah I yeah I love I love hearing other guys talk about him I watch KG talk about him Paul Pierce talk about him

and they can't And they, like, they amazed themselves. Yeah. And they're the same age, maybe a little bit older. And now one of those guys could come from talking behind a podcast, Mike, to doing what he's doing right now. And I think that's why, you know, we see everybody giving him his flowers. I'm curious to know.

I wanted to ask you because, you know, most people say he has one year. Most people say he has five years left. You know what I mean? So me personally, the way he's playing, I'm just going to say this. let's enjoy it let's let him like he said each day it's if that he's going to

play because how his body feel or how it don't feel and I do know this I do I do know this he's not going to just say I quit he's not going to say that he's going to say yeah this is my last year

and he's going to want to parade in each and every city which he deserves He deserves. So I do know that. So if it's not this year, this next year coming up, it's probably the following year that he'll probably say, yeah, I'm done. But in doing that, you got to also understand, you know,

you're getting up there. Yeah. And injuries do happen. Right. And we don't want him to go out like that. Like that. We don't want him to go out like that. I was thinking about that.

We want him to go out on a horse. Yeah, on a horse. On a tour. On a tour. And we don't want you to be hurt because that means that you're going to try to come back to next year. And you're not going to look the same or you're not going to be the same. So that's do it when you, you know, we all appreciate you. Yeah.

No, I agree. What was it like saying the young LeBron and the pickup games? So I saw LeBron. He was, when he came to call Hoops. when he's playing at hoops. He just got his cast off. And I didn't recognize him. Because, you know, he was, I mean, he was still big and thick now.

Yeah. You know, but I didn't, you know, I didn't recognize him. And we was playing a game, and it was a three on two. And we knew he liked the pass. Yeah. And me and the guy, he went one way. I went the other way to stop the pass. the motherfucker just took off from the Frito line.

I mean, he coming down full speed and just doof! And the motherfucker just took off. And we was like, damn. Because he missed the dunk. I mean, he was right there. He just missed the dunk. We were like, damn. You see that motherfucker take off like that?

Like, yeah, so we knew he had potential. And his jump shot wasn't there, but his playmaking ability was always great. No, you just knew that he understood how to play the game. He was ready for the next level

coming out of high school. You knew that. And it has been proven. But, I mean, when he did that, it was like a cartoon. Like somebody just, you know, like Michael Jordan with the cartoon. Space Dan. And he just goes up and he just up there.

That's how it was. He's like, Damn. Did you see that? People's like, yeah, we saw that. I was like, damn, that, that was impressive. To me, that was impressive. You didn't realize at the time probably, I mean, maybe you did realize, like, that's the next generation athlete. Like, that's the next. I didn't know that he was, you know, was going to be.

Don't nobody know what you're going to be like this. Yeah. You know, because you don't know. You know, you can speculate that's this and that. But it could be, you know, you never know. Yeah. So, but, you know, everybody was right. which is great for the league and for the fans yeah no for sure all right i got so i got something

for you right um obviously there's there's a very few big threes in the NBA if ever right if ever can you tell us a little bit about tmc run tmc well run tmc was unique um We had, you know, we had the IQ of knowing how to play, knowing how to set our man. We practiced and we done stuff, you know, together out there on the court. And we talked about what we wanted to do if this guy was playing us this way. Or if I'm coming around this corner, look for me, you know, eyes or, you know. All the cues. Yeah, all the cues.

So we was different in a way where we get up and down the court. Like we play defense, and next thing you know, we're down the court. We're making plays. But we also making plays in a half court. And with Chris Mullin, man. Shoot it. Man, man. I mean, wow.

I mean, a lethal shooter, lethal shooter. Mitch Richmond can score any type of weight. You want, however you want it. That's how you're going to give it to you. Me, I'm just, you know, Elk. orchestrating stuff. I could score. I can make you, I can do a lot of stuff. Triple threat. Yeah, all the time.

But, you know, it's just that if we had a little bit more time and Nellie could have, you know, got us a big man. We had a big man, but he got hurt.

And Nellie was like, I don't know if he was pressured or anything like that, but he wanted to, you know, get something. And, And you should not have trading Mitch for Billions because that was the nucleus. You don't trade your nucleus after two and a half years, three years. You don't trade your nucleus. At least give it five, six years.

And yeah, that kind of hurt us. And we never was able to recover. But, man, I mean, people were scared of us. Oh, 100%. People were scared of us, man. We, people, they didn't like playing us. Yeah. They didn't like playing us.

but Gary Payton told us he said you know all three of y'all was lethal together yeah yeah he said but once Mitch got traded we had y'all yep and that's how most teams thought think about us

Mitch was gone we can neutralize you two now right because there's no third person out here that we need to worry about right and that and that that kind of hurt us and before I get into my next question right and just picking your brain on what you just said when other people realize that why the guy that's in the front of office

didn't realize that? It was complicated. You know, it was more personal. Okay. There ain't anything else. And that's why coaches shouldn't be GM. Heard that. I mean, it happens in our game, too.

It happens in football, you know, where a head coach comes in and he gets, just as much power as the general manager, right? So especially over roster moves, decisions, draft picks, you know what I mean? And one way or another, you know, not that the owner looks bad, but either the GM or the head coach at some point, they have to make a decision between who they keep, between those two and what players they keep, you know?

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We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it.

Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas,

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How would you rank them? Man, so they won championships. You got to rank them like 1-1-8. Yeah, 100%. What about Durant, Westbrook, and Hardin? They didn't win nothing. So, I mean... It's top ten, top ten.

Top ten. Okay. They was good. They were young too. Yeah, they was good. Hardin wasn't Hardin yet. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, that, that, what hard? Well, you saw, when you went to see. Bits and pieces of what it was. You know, I would give them, we would be before them, so they got to be 10. 100%. All right. What about LeBron, Wade, and Bosch? Oh, man.

They, they, so I, because even though they won two. Mm-hmm. and they wasn't together long enough them other guys they was they was together what six seven eight nine years ten years together so I put them number two and put San Antonio number one okay what you ain't what about magic

Kareem worthy yeah so yeah was that was that Lake show Yeah. The Lake Show. Yes. So I put, I knew you were going to say that too.

Someone back up. LeBron, Bosch, and D. Wade to number three and put them number two. That's great. I like that. Yeah, me too. What about, remember, top 10, though. Right. Steph, Clay, and Draymond Green.

Oh. People sleep on that trio, but when they won some, they won a lot. They won four. Yeah. You know, they won four. Even though. Kevin. They won four.

Oh, then you got Kevin. Yeah. So, yeah. Wow. Oh. You don't think about it? You don't think about it? No.

He doesn't have a bit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's one to think about it. No, it's not, I'm going to put them in, this is my order. I'm going to put them in that order because the way, but they didn't play long. Well, we just, we, we just talking about Clay, Draymond, and, and, And step.

I got, I got, I got to put them. Two? Oh, no, not two. He got Carine, no, bro. Carine Worthy. Now you got Carine Worthy and magic? I think them, them, them pinned in. Yeah, yeah, that's two.

And then dunking them? Yeah. That's one. Oh, man. That's, yeah, them three. Okay, I'm going to put them behind Dwayne Wade then. Okay. All right.

Now we got Garnett, Pierce, and Ray Allen. Oh, yeah, I'm going to put. them behind um okay that's a good i like that i'm gonna put them behind the warriors so they're number four no they're number five five number five all right all right all right and we got we got we got jordan pippin and robin oh jordan pippin and robin three pete okay now who'd i get who i got number three number three you got uh step yeah step yeah they go be so they they they number four then Garnett.

Then Garnett then number 5. 5. Or is that 6? That's 6. That's 6. That's 6.

Yeah. Put Michael Jordan in front of Yeah. All right. So there'll be 5? Michael Jordan will be 5? No, Michael Jordan

number 3. 3, 3, 3, 3. Okay. All right. Now what about O'Neill, Bryant, and Fisher? Or Robert O'Ree.

You know, I think they're the third piece is a little bit of change. Okay. They go right behind Michael now. Okay. And what about? TMC. TMC.

So we're going to go in front of of Curry. Yes, sir. And the Warriors. So you're number five?

Yeah, we're going to be number five. That's a great list. That's not a bad list at all. No, that's not a bad list at all. Yeah, we're going to be number five because all them other people,

they won championships. You know, I know we've got a couple people that won championships, but them people couldn't fuck with us. 100%. Steph couldn't guard you. impossible impossible but i had to do i would have had to do a lot of run but you know what i would neutralize that running by taking his skinny ass right to the post okay bang with me

come bang with me get with these muscles yeah man what well man man tell us a little bit more about the book tell people about the book a little bit more man yes because i need my shit signed yes me Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, it's about my life growing up in the street of Chicago. What built me, what made me Tim Hardaway, to kill a crossover king. Yes, sir. You know, but I, it takes a village to raise a kid.

And I tell kids, listening is a skill, not an art. Listening is a skill, not an art. You got to listen. And if you listen, You want us to listen. But if you listen to us, maybe things will go your way. Maybe you can handle situations more differently than you handle them. Maybe you will succeed, but you got to listen and you got to be patient

and you got to work on whatever you're going to work on. doctor, lawyer, an aviation person, a pilot, whatever it is you're going to do. It's going to take time. It's not going to be right there to get it right there. So that's what the book is about.

It's about patience. It's about understanding your ability, never losing your confidence, and about going through tribes and tribulations in your life. and helping out yourself as a parent to understand how you need to become a better sports parent, not a better, I mean, you know, everybody can become better parents.

I'm just talking about a sports parent and understanding what your kid is going through when you're acting a damn fool out there. Yeah. And how embarrassing he is and you acting a fool. And then they got to go to school or to, A, you, or be on a bus or be in a car, and other people talking about my parents. You know, that's tough for a kid. That's really tough for a kid.

And sometimes that, you know, draws them back from playing, draws them back from doing something that they love. So you have to understand that. That's all I say. But that's what the book is about. And, you know, I tell you this, though. Me and Lindsay Hunter, Lindsay Hunter and I, we got a podcast, too. called Crossover Podcast. Check us out.

Yes, sir. Let me show y'all do that. You know, we would, bro, I would love to come on there, man. Yeah, come on, man. I mean, we're in the awesome.

Yeah, we in, we in Detroit and, and, yeah, yeah, well, now, it's getting warmer now. All right. And, like, even before, you know, we do this hard out, man,

and, you know, you see a lot of, especially, you know, in our sport, football, a lot of young guys, you know, committing suicide, yeah.

Depression and things like that. Yeah. Can you, can you explain to us, you know, in your life, how God has turned the impossible to possible in your life and also give some words of encouragement to any young guy or young guy, a woman out there that's pursuing this career and let them know what it comes with,

the same level-headed, staying consistent, and just stop, don't worry about the outside noise. Yeah. That's what it is. I used to take outside noise and use it as constructive criticism. I used to use what people said about me, you're too short. You can't shoot over nobody. You can't play defense.

You can't make to the rim, make a play. You can't do this. You can't do that. You're too short. And I used to use that to motivate me to go out there and show them wrong. Each and every time I went out there. And I used to say that. I heard what you said.

And I just used to walk away. And they were like, what I say, what I say, I just heard what you said. You know, and thank you. That motivated me. I pray every day. I thank God every day right now. Thank you for getting me up. Thank you for the day I had.

Keep watching over us. And, you know, just make sure my family's all right. Keep us healthy. You know, I pray every day. And I, everybody should pray every day. Everybody should talk to God as much as they can. go to church, go to church. You know, it's people out here to help you.

Back then, especially in our community, we couldn't talk to nobody. We couldn't talk to nobody. You talked to somebody, and your parents knew you was talking to somebody. You get your ass worked. You might get choked to death. So it was very hard for us.

And, you know, we didn't know about mental illness. Yeah, mental health. know about mental health. We didn't know about that type of stuff. We knew that people was mentally ill, walking down the street, crazy and stuff. But it was like the strong survived in our neighborhood. The strong survived.

And everybody had the same thing going on in their household. You know, everybody, you know, alcoholics, uh, uh, drug addicts or, or, uh, abusive parents or, you know, domestic violence. Everybody had something going on in their house up and down the block. And everybody knew it. You just didn't talk about it because that was their business. And the kids, you know, sometimes they come out crying and frustrated,

but they never said nothing. What's wrong with you? Nothing I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. Yeah. And if you want to talk about it, we could talk about it. But, you know, but that's why we have sports because we take it out on each other on sports, you know. But, man, it's just, you know.

If you need to talk to somebody, talk to somebody. Don't be out here thinking that you by yourself. You're not by yourself. There's plenty of people to talk to and that will protect you. That will protect you. You just got to be confident in who you can trust and who you can't trust and go from there. I tell kids that all the time. And never let nobody take your confidence away from you.

never let nobody tell you you can't do nothing never let nobody drag you up under the mud or lie about you anything like that you know because that that can hurt you too and that can just take your will away from you and take your wind out of you always protect yourself and know how to protect yourself that's why I tell kids all the time

man I tell me you know I used to tell them folks Fuck that You're gonna leave me the fuck alone I'm talking about gang bangers Or or you know Bullies or whatever You know you're gonna leave me to fuck alone

I'm gonna say Yo that motherfucker Them two four of them motherfuckers They don't like me For some reason they don't like me Yeah Like they don't like me So I'm yeah

They're gonna leave me alone You know so I mean talk to somebody I mean tell somebody because if not, you're just going to end up getting hurt and doing something bad to yourself and we don't want that to happen. No, for sure.

I appreciate you saying that, man. Honestly, man, listen to you talk, man. You father figure, man, like, unc, you like unc, you know what I'm saying? So I know we really do appreciate it. And, you know, I'm sure all the fans, everybody, your fans, you know, our fans, everybody that's going to tune into this. It's going to, you know, be able to see you, hear their parents, that voice in their head, right, that's helping guide them to make better decisions, right decisions.

And then also, you know, have an opportunity to go check out the book from the Chicago streets to basketball, stardom with Tim Hardaway, man. We appreciate you stopping by. Thank you for having me. I appreciate this. And, you know, much love to you all. And y'all keep up to great work. Y'all was great football players. y'all have a lot to say about a lot of things

and we know we need to touch our our youngsters we need to touch them and make them understand you know y'all not alone I will say this it was a lot of people that came back you know and talk to us

NBA guys or football guys talking to football guys baseball guys talking to baseball guys in Chicago and somewhere somehow that that's lost and that's why I like to go back Chicago or Miami or El Paso and talk to kids and make them understand it's all right not to play sports.

It's all right to be studious. It's all right to have your own company. It's all right to be a manager. It's all right to be whatever you want to be, but it's going to take hard work. It's going to take hard work. And if you put the work into it, you'll reap the rewards, but you've got to be patient. Patience is a virtue. you.

Blessing. Blessing. Hey. Y'all heard it first. Great word, man. This is Fourth and South, make sure. Y'all make sure,

and please, please, please, kill a crossover. Yes. Mr. Hardaway, appreciate you. On Amazon. Get it on Amazon. On Amazon. Mr. Hardway, we appreciate you, man.

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