The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, MVP, and Baker Mayfield

Episode Date: November 26, 2018

Colin discusses why Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers deserves some of the blame, why Pittsburgh Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger deserves more credit, who should win NFL MVP this season, and why Cleveland Browns QB Baker Mayfield was out of line. Guests include Shannon Sharpe, Peter King, Trent Dilfer, and Rod Woodson. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Fox Sportsport. Radio. Ah, it's a Monday. This is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening live in Los Angeles, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1, one hour from now on a Monday, where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. I got Shannon Sharp.

I got Peter King. I got Rod Woodson. I got Trendil for Jamie Maggio sitting in today. Joy Taylor got caught up in a blizzard in the Midwest, which I guess the whole country, except where we live is, you know, under duress. with weather. So it's great to have you on a Monday. Thank you, Colin. Great to have you. I've been watching you on NFL sidelines and doing all sorts of

stuff. So let me start with this. You know, it's the old movie line. Show me the money. I'm more of a show me the evidence. If you're going to tell me you're great, I got to see you're great. Stats, Super Bowls, rings. Aaron Rogers is now one

and nine in his last 10 road games. I know, I know it's not his fault. It never is. It's his defense. Oh, wait. They're third in the NFL and sacks. It's his running game. He doesn't have one. No, actually, Aaron Jones is dynamic, averaging over six yards to carry. Mike McCarthy's a buffoon. Really? He resurrected Brett Forbes's career. Come on now. Come on now. Show me the evidence. You got to give me something. Stats. No, Breeze has those. Trophies, no Tom has those. You got to show me something. You've got to show me some evidence. You've been telling me all you media guys and all you fans for a decade have been telling me, oh, he's got a great arm, great arm, great arm.

all right so did Jeff George a million guys have a great arm it's the NFL Joe Flacco's got a great arm show me the evidence ask yourself this is that you know how they write those business books on what it takes to be a great leader and a great CEO

you can go to a library go to Amazon.com look up business books there's a million of them I've read a handful in my life here's the qualities they never say make a great leader aloof condescending arrogant difficult to work with those are not qualities of Aaron Rogers. Those are now his brand.

If I say to you, Hall of Fame quarterback, condescending, you think Aaron Rogers, Hall of Fame quarterback, aloof, hard to play. You're saying Karen Rogers. It's like saying Joe Flacco's inaccurate. That's his brand. That's not a quality. That's who he is. Jay Cutler, Moody, that's not a quality.

That's his brand. Tom Brady, driven, passionate. Not a quality. That's his brand. I mean, Aaron Rogers, you notice this with Green Bay? The longer he's there. the uglier it gets, because people that are difficult to work with, you can tolerate them for a year, deal with them for two, appease them, placate them for four. But after about nine, you want to

strangle them. But Colin, you're picking on Aaron Rogers. Why the hell would I do that? Do I pick on LeBron? Do I pick on Steph Curry? Do I pick on Roger Federer? Do I pick on Serena? When have I ever picked on the Great? Do I pick on the Warriors? Do I pick on Tom Brady? Do I pick on Russell Wilson? Do I pick on Andrew Luck. Do I pick on Drew Breeze? Who do I pick? I picked on Tebow, because he wasn't very good. I picked on Westbrook, great but hard to play with. And yes, yes, I pick on Aaron Rogers. No, I don't. I'm honest. And you're all coming around now. I used to get a lot of pushback on this. I used to get nothing but hate mail. You don't know what you're talking about. You know what I get now? Silence. And that's what I know I'm right. Because fans are not going to admit they're wrong. I get that.

That's okay. It's part of the deal. I have to. you call me out and have a right wrong segment 50 minutes from now. But when fans disappear, that's when you're right. The Westbrook fans, they don't push back. They just disappeared. The Aaron Rogers fans, they don't push back. They just disappeared. I don't hear from them anymore.

I mean, again, I'm not saying it's all Aaron's fault. But he can't take a little blame. He's not a little rough to work with. I have four former Packers I know all said the same thing. Far of McCarthy got along great. Aaron McCarthy, major fissures. One in nine, last 10 on the road. And here's another thing that, that, again, don't, I'm not a big believer in just

stat, stat, stats, because I think we all know Aaron can play. I'm not saying it's all his fault. But you got to say some of it, some of it's his fault. I mean, nobody else is this bad on the road. Breeze isn't. Man Ryan's not. Brady's not. Russell's not.

They're not struggling like this. They don't all have good coaches, right? They don't all have Legends. They don't have Hall of Famers. They don't all have running games. They're not losing road quarterbacks. But here's a stat. Here's a stat.

Show me the money. Show me the evidence. So Breeze has the stats. Tom has the trophies. Aaron Rogers is now 0 and 37 after last night's loss of the Vikings. He is now 0 for 37 when he enters the fourth quarter of any game trailing by more than a point. and the team he's playing in that moment, at that moment, has a winning record. Now think about that.

Aaron Rogers has never won a game. Owen 37, when he enters the fourth quarter trailing by more than one point against the team in that moment. Now, that may not be a great team. Many of them aren't. But in that moment, they have a winning record. Come on now. I mean, come on now. The things I criticize him for are fair.

My critics have gone quiet, and that's what I know I'm right. And nobody's saying he won't have another five years, get the perfect coach for him. But what has made Big Ben, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, John Elway? What has made them great is overcoming. John Elway, for years, got to Super Bowls with no running game. Brady for years has gotten to Super Bowls without dynamic playmakers. Breeze has gotten to the playoffs and a Super Bowl without a dominating defense. Peyton Manning only had one great defense until he got to Denver.

You keep telling me Aaron's the best, but the best don't need a perfect football team to win on the road. The best, like Andrew Luck, overcome deficiencies to get to the playoffs, overcome average defense is so-so running games. You keep telling me, well, he needs the right coach. I'm not saying he and McCarthy are a good mix. But does he need Sean McVeigh? Does he need the perfect running game and the perfect defense and the perfect coach and the perfect schedule?

Because the greats don't. The greats overcome. LeBron gets to finals without an all-star. Kevin Durant. You look at the all-time greats. Very rarely do they have the perfect football team. They overcome all sorts of deficiencies to get you there. That's all I'm saying.

Show me the money. Show me the evidence. Aaron Rogers should be in the greatest of all-time conversation. Let me shift gears to the Steelers. So everybody's going to beat up on Big Ben today. I get it. Terrible. Terrible interception.

and late. I get it. Today, this morning, every sports radio host, man, woman's going to crush him. I would like to point out that James Connor, red zone fumble, fumbled the ball when there was nobody around him. And at the end of the first half, a tight end fumbled the ball out of the red zone and they lost possession. Those weren't Ben's fault, right? But here's the number I want you to look at, not the score. Not the score. Here's what I want you to look at. Big Ben was 41 of 50. And I want you to think about 56 pass attempts. 56 pass attempts. He leads the NFL in pass attempts this year.

And that's on a good team that generally doesn't trail games late and have to pass with a good team with a legitimate running game that could run the ball. The Pittsburgh Steelers allowed him yesterday to throw the ball 56 times. Why is that a big deal? Here's why it's a big deal. You parents out there, you can brag about your kids' grades. Oh, little Johnny got an A-plus. Little Susie's a perfect student.

All you parents out there, you can brag about your kids' sports accomplishments. He hit a home run. She scored a goal. But you know when you got good kids, when you can leave for the weekend and trust them. There's alcohol in the house. The key of the BMWs there. And the parents can go, we're going camping for four days. make sure you take care of your brothers and sisters.

Then you got a good kid. You can trust them. The Pittsburgh Steelers, with a running game, said, Ben, we're leaving for the weekend. Throw it 56 times. Lamar Jackson's really good. Last two games, media falls in love with him. He has 44 attempts in two games.

They're babysitting him. Baker Mayfield's amazing. Last two games combined, 46 attempts. They're babysitting. them. Those teams are telling you what they think of Lamar and Baker. They like them. They got talent. But when those parents leave, they call the nanny. They call a babysitter. They make sure there's eyes on the quarterback. Not Big Ben. That family's going to Europe for eight days. There's alcohol all over the house, keys of the car. And they're like, we trust you. Watch your brother

and sister. We're going to France. We'll be back in eight days. When you allow a quarterback in Denver, good defense, two great pass rushers, on the road, throw it 56 times. That is incredible respect by an organization. They're just saying, listen, man, we don't tell Ben not to do this and not to do that. We don't tell Ben, stay away from here, only throw here. Mitch Trubisky, everybody loves Mitch Trubisky. He's 22nd in pass attempts. What's that telling you?

20 second and pass attempts, that's telling you even with good running backs, even with Matt Nagy, the bears are telling you there are certain times we're not going to let him throw it, and there are certain places we're not going to let him throw it. So I'm not saying Big Ben didn't have a really, really terrible throw, and I'm not going to defend that throw. But man, never forget when RG3 beat Andrew Luck for rookie of the year, I pushed back and I said, RG3 is throwing it 18 times a game.

Lux's throwing at 40. The Colts were telling you what they thought of their rookie quarterback. And so was Washington. Good stuff today. We're absolutely packed. Shannon Sharp, Peter King, Trent Dill for Rod Woodson, 45 minutes from now, Colin Wright, Colin wrong.

Coming up is that, sometimes I'll say things, and your reaction will be, That's a hot take. He's getting clicks. And then like a week later, you're like, maybe on to something. I'll talk about who's my MVP and who's the runner-up,

and I think I'm on to something. That's next in the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Looking for the perfect holiday gift. Look no further than Untuck at the original Untuck show. shirt's designed to be worn untucked, right length, perfect look.

Go to untucket.com promo code, Heard, H-E-R-D, for 20% off. Jamie Maggio sitting in for Joy Taylor, who's stuck in the beautiful Midwest, which happens to be cold, and there's a blizzard going on. Shannon Sharp joins us Trent Dill for Peter King, Rod Woodson, and top of the hour, 40 minutes from now where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. It's a Monday. I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. I'll tell a story maybe later.

I sneezed yesterday driving to work, and my nose exploded. my car was full of blood. I know Goula. It looked like a crime scene. I'll get into that later. I have a shirt in my car right now. It's covered with blood. But you know what?

Who cares? Nobody cares about that. Here's what we care about. So sometimes I'll say stuff. And, you know, the internet reacts. Hot take, click. It's amazing how often, about a week later, you're like, Colin appears to actually watch the games.

I said last week, nothing against Patrick Mahomes, but in the two biggest games of the year, New England and the Rams, he had seven turnovers. He's not my MVP. My MVP is Drew Brees. And I said number two is Andrew Luck. I got nothing to pushback. And after this weekend, my MVP race is Drew Bree's won, Andrew Luck 2, and who gives a rip number three. There isn't a third. Big Ben knocked himself out. Mahomes hasn't been good in the biggest games. Andrew Luck's unbelievable. Three plus touchdowns in eight straight games. The colds. don't have a number two wide receiver. What about Eric Ebron? What about him? He was a bust in Detroit.

Every team in the NFL that you like, Pittsburgh, the Bears, Kansas City, the Chargers, the Rams, the Saints, Houston, you can name seven or eight of their players. They've got stars, J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J.J. Don, I mean, you go look at Houston. Jadavion Clownie. They got this star. They got this guy. This got wide receiver. They got There's one exception of this. The one team that's in a playoff race that has nobody outside of the quarterback you know is the Colts. They don't have a number two-wide receiver. They don't have a star running back. In fact, if I said name their top five players, not counting Andrew Luck, I could make an argument.

Their rookie left guard, their rookie linebacker who you didn't see play a game in college are two of their top three players. Who is their second corner, their right tackle? Who is their best linebacker outside of the rookie? You can't even name players. I mean, it's amazing to me. Think about this. Indianapolis not only has a new head coach and a first year head coach, he wasn't even the first head coach they hired.

They hired another guy and settled for Frank Reich. And I'm not saying Frank Reich isn't really good. I think he's been terrific. And his reputation, I said this on this show a couple years ago. everybody was talking about Frank Reich. He deserves a lot of credit. He's been terrific. The Eagles aren't the same offense without him. But, you know, the knock on this guy was interceptions. 16 TDs, three picks in the last five games. And again, without a number two wide receiver, without a star running back, with two rookies starting on the offensive line, and a bust tight end,

a bust. Now with 12 touchdowns this year. Eric Ebron had 11 touchdowns in his entire career. with Matt Stafford. Other teams are littered with offensive talent. Look at the Rams. Look at the Chargers. Look at the Steelers. Look at the Chiefs. Look at the Saints.

And there was a play in the fourth quarter yesterday. And I don't like to bang on play calling, but I don't know what Adam Gase was doing late in that game, going super conservative on the Miami Dolphins last drive with about two minutes left and basically giving Andrew Luck to football in great field position at like the 35 or 40.

I don't know what he was doing. But there was a lot of a lot of. play by Andrew Luck late that just, it just embodies everything about Andrew Luck. This was the biggest play of the weekend for him. Third and nine. Luck, duck's the pass rush, throwing deep. He has a man opening his Godgers. Well, his athleticism pays off again. Big, strong, can't knock him down, gets his eyes downfield and makes the big play. Again, it's not a hot take. It's not looking for clicks. I said it a week ago. I'll say it again. The MVP of this league is Drew Brees.

Second place is Andrew Luck. Third, who cares? These guys have set most valuable player. Give Patrick Mahomes these players. Give Andrew Luck, Travis Kelsey, Kareem Hunt, Andy Reid's play design, Sammy Watkins as his second best receiver, Cheetah.

Give Andrew Luck that, give Mahomes this Colts team. bruh, not close. Here's Jamie Marcia with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin. So yesterday, Bengals and Browns gave an opportunity for Baker Mayfield to face his former coach and Hugh Jackson.

Baker had a nice little game, and afterwards there was kind of this awkward moment. It's like, here's a hug. Hey, they want to have a hug as well? No, it's just going to be a handshake. So a slightly awkward moment there. Baker, what he said after the game is what I want to talk about. He said, good job, good game. Yeah, that was brief.

I didn't feel like talking. Left Cleveland, goes down to Cincinnati. I don't know. It's just somebody that was in our locker room asking for us to play for him and then goes to a different team. We play twice a year. Everybody can have their spin on it, but that's how I feel. It's just like any rivalry game.

That's just how it is now. That's how I'm going to treat it every time we play him. But it's nothing, you know, there's no hate. That's just how it is. That's how I'm going to treat it. And I think that's how our team should treat it, too. I'd rather he not go there. I'd rather Baker, like, extinguish that, not pour gasoline on it.

Right? Like, that's what... But again, this is sort of his brand. This is what he is. This is why, again, he'll win a bunch of games in this league. But I'll take Russell Wilson. I'll take Andrew Luck. I'll take Breeze.

I'll take Brady. I'll take guys who would put a wet blanket on that moment, not elevate it. I don't want a can of gasoline. I want a fire extinguels. I don't want any of this nonsense. But, you know, I think I'm in the minority. I'm with you on this one. A, you're a rookie quarterback.

Respect your elders, young man. But B, do you remember the steps that Baker took in his college career? Remember he played for Texas Tech and then left and went to OU? Yes. A conference rival? Yes. Come on now. Also, I am a big supporter of athletes who, I'm a big supporter of mobility.

So if, like, Kevin Durant left, my thing. is coaches leave, owners leave, owners leave cities, GMs and coaches leave team. Kevin Durant can go where he want. So for Baker to get little, you know, to get petty with this, I just, it's not what I want my quarterback to do, but I do think most people disagree with me, and they just kind of like this stuff with Baker. They like this chippiness. It's a thing for them. I'm not down with the pettiness. By the way, Baker's numbers have actually improved statistically since Hugh has left. I know. So what are you complaining about, kid? What are you upset about? No, I'm going to give more credit later, but that's a real thing.

That is a real thing. Yeah. You know what else is a real thing? The fact that the Giants didn't come out of the locker room at halftime yesterday against the Eagles. Odell Beckham, you just said a moment ago during Colts Dolphins, you don't like to bang on play calling. But I want you to weigh in on this after we get to the soundbite. But Odell Beckham essentially sort of calling out Pat Shermer's play calling in the second half of the game after he and Seqwan had big first halves. Here's Odell.

Coming in, knowing that they struggled in the secondary, personally, I would have loved the, attack them, but it wasn't in our game plans. I don't call the plays. I just do what I'm told to do and go out there and execute. Whenever I get an opportunity to do something, I try and make the most of it. If I don't have that many opportunities, all I can do is do what I can when I do have an opportunity.

So that's more of a question for coach. I was more bewildered by the lack of Barclay. And you know what I think happens? What happened? Remember on Monday, everybody loves Sean McVeigh. Todd Gurley disappeared. We're in this time now where everybody, all this flash and all this fireworks and all this stuff, coaches are like competing against other coaches.

I've seen Todd Gurley disappear. I've seen Sequin Barkley disappear. It's like coaches running the football. Did you watch New England this weekend with Sony Michelle? New England's not buying into the flash. They're not doing new stuff. New England's just running the football. So I'm seeing this now as a trend where coaches are moving away from really good backs who had really

good games or really good halves, it's becoming a trend in the league. Well, I don't care if it's your receivers making plays or if it's your running back. You want to go with passing game or go with the running game, but they went with no game. They had 346 yards in the first half, and then the Eagles hold them to 56 yards in the second half. That doesn't make any sense to me. And if you're the, you know, I'm a Giants fan call. This is hard for me to talk about. It's a little Monday morning therapy for me right now.

But if you're the Giants, are they tanking? Is that what this is? No, no, no. I think they were outplayed late. I still love Carson Went. No, I don't think they are. I think they play good for two games and a half. Sometimes teams make adjustments.

Sometimes teams don't adjust, and it was a team adjusting better at half than the other team. Be it a division rival for the love of God. All right, last one for you, Colin. Let's talk about LeBron James. I know you like to talk about LeBron James. People coming into the season said, oh, will he be able to play alongside Lonzo? Or better yet, the question is, would Lonzo be able to play alongside LeBron?

Well, LeBron has been singing his praises lately. Sometimes he doesn't realize how great he is and the things that he possesses out on the floor. And when Zoe realized how good he is on the floor, it makes him a very dynamic player and it makes us even better. And he's been doing that as of late. His aggressiveness, even when he's not making just his attack, if you've seen early in the game, just him getting to the rim. And he missed a couple of them. You know, that's absolutely fine. He had a couple of charges.

That's absolutely fine. You know, when he's aggressive, it just changes our dynamic of the team. And, you know, he's been doing that as late, and we need him to continue to do that. By the way, Lonzo still should be a junior in college. Let's slow down on crushing all these young kids. Only Kyle Kuzma went to school for years. You know, I mean, I know everybody hates the NCAA,

but we bring these kids at 19 into the league. I don't know if they're emotionally ready for this league. So Lonzo is still growing. He's a kid. He's still a young kid. Is he 21? He can't drink in the state of California. He couldn't have a beer if he wanted one on the way home. Let's slow down hyperventilating and crushing guys who were 19 years old, 20 years old in this league.

By the way, the metrics back up Lonzo's impact. Both of LA's top two lineups by offensive rating include Lonzo in them. Oh, they do. They do. Good stuff. By the way, LeBron James is your hype man. That'd be nice. I'd like to have him as my hype.

Yeah, he's a good marketing guy for you. Jamie with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. Many believe he's the greatest tight end to ever play the game. He was a Hall of Famer inducted seven years ago, eight Pro Bowls, a Super Bowl champ, and he was drafted by the Broncos in the seventh round.

He should have a chip on his shoulder, but he doesn't. Shannon Sharp joining us. I only get Shannon like twice a year, so I always appreciate you. You're a busy man. Let's start with a couple things I haven't talked about. Yes. So I watched the Patriots and the Jets. You could have taken that tape nine years ago.

like every Patriots win over the Jets. It was boring. It wasn't dynamic. What was your takeaway on it? Like you mentioned, the Jets aren't a very good football team, and the Patriots do what they do. The Patriots don't beat themselves. If you beat the Patriots, you know you've beaten a very good football team, and there's a very good chance you didn't turn the football over,

because you turn the football over against this team. They'll normally beat you. But, you know, something is going unnoticed. I don't think Tom Brady is playing particularly well, Colin. he's 21st in completion percentage. He's 16th in yards per attempt. He's 14th in touchdown passes. Now, for any other quarterback, we'd like, okay, but for him,

there's something going on here. Now, his numbers, they end up being well, but I didn't think he played particularly well in the first half. I didn't think he could play. And by the way, the minute they could go to the running game, they did. Yes. You know, outside of the gronk play, they didn't really throw it down the field much. And he really shouldn't have thrown that ball because they had safety help over the top.

He got away with one because that's what Grant can do. You can make a mistake in throwing a ball where you shouldn't have thrown it. And Gronk is so big as catch radius is so huge that he can make a play that normal tight ends or other receivers can't be able to make because they're not as big as he is. But if you look at Gronk yesterday, I was surprised because they played him a lot of single coverage with Jamal Adams. And I never thought I'd see the day that safety would take Grunk one-on-one and do the job that Jamal Adams did on him. Could I make the argument Josh Gordon couldn't stay clean, Gronks in his last year, James White's their best receiver, Edelman's off an ACL, that frankly it's the same old Patriots,

not overly dynamic and most quarterbacks would struggle with this group of talented dynamic perimeter guys? Well, I think the thing is that when things go well for the Patriots, we blame, we give Tom Brady all the credit. When things don't go well, we say, look at his receivers. Oh, the defense isn't very good. But if you look at Coach Belichick and Tom Brady, they play 37 playoff games,

they average up giving less than three points a fourth quarter and 37 playoff games, Colin. You're going to win a lot of games if your defense. In 23 of those games, they pitch shutouts. So just imagine you go into the fourth quarter and you know your defense is going to hold a team to three or few points. You're going to win a lot of games.

Look, the thing is with Tom Brady because what they do is that in the playoffs, they get you up there in their building. They haven't had to go take their show on the road in a very long time to win playoff games. And I don't believe they're going to catch Kansas City because I believe Kansas City is going to. I don't think they can go to Kansas City and win this year. I don't think so either. I don't think so either.

I don't think they're dynamic enough. They need to be very careful because they play Pittsburgh. Now, what Pittsburgh can do, they can hang points on you. I think their defense showing yesterday, you can't lose. You can't lose to Case Keenham. But if you turn the ball over four times and the opposing team doesn't turn it over, They're going to beat you. And that's what happened.

The tight-in had a walk-in touchdown. Fumbled it out of the edge. But he tried to play hero. He tried to run the DB over. So what was your takeaway on Pittsburgh's win? Because my takeaway was, to start the show, they let Ben throw it 56 times. Yes.

I know we all love Lamar and Baker-Mayfield, but they're throwing it 22 times a game. I think Ben's a remarkable talent who made a terrible throw. I still love Pittsburgh. Yeah. But here's the thing, but do you trust him late? Because what we've seen from Ben, if you look at the divisional game last year,

It was his fumble, scoop and score, and he threw an interception in his own territory, and the next play they scored a touchdown. That's 14 points. Now, in the playoffs, you give a team 14 points. Over. You're going to lose. And you look at the teams that they could possibly face Kansas City can score a bunch of points. San Diego can score a bunch of points.

New England can score a bunch of points. You turn the ball over against any of those three teams, you're losing. I know people think I'm hard on Aaron Rogers, But what I said at the old place I work with and what I've said here, you know, the old saying, show me the money, I tend to be show me the evidence. If you showed me your Super Bowls, your catches, your yards, you were dynamic and a compiler. That's a Hall of Famer. You compiled great numbers.

You were on championship teams. You went to Baltimore. Teams got better. I have evidence that you're arguably the greatest tie to never. Okay, Aaron's now, O. and 37, entering the fourth quarter, trailing by more than one point, against a team that at that at that time as a winning record. I know he can throw the ball. I know he's a sorcerer

with his arm. But man, the personality, brother calls him out. McCarthy doesn't get along. Can I blame some of this erosion on Green Bay? Some on Aaron? Yeah, it does. He missed some throws. And the thing is with Aaron, he missed some throws last night that he normally makes. The ball

to Adams, he normally makes that throw. He had EQ Brown in the flat, and he tried to rush it, and he dirted it. I think there's so much pressure on him. He's been sacked 34 times. I think the most he's ever been sacked in the season, if I'm not mistaken, it's 35,

and they still have five games to go. And he knows if he doesn't play great. He can't play good and win. He must play great. So do you think there are times that he holds the ball a little long, looking to make? Yes. He's got little Bryce Harper.

Yes. He's swinging for the fences. Yes. Yes. Do you think his contract, I said this, it's unfair, and if I was Aaron, I'd take every penny. Right. But, you know, it's interesting.

It's never been a good free agent market. The minute he takes that big contract, it guarantees his teams will be younger going forward. Do you think that's a little bit in his head? There is a little pressure on Aaron he didn't have before that contract? Well, you know, the thing is what Aaron, he looks at it like that. It's not my job to give you a hometown discount so you can figure out your situation. My job is to play quarterback at the highest level. is your job to put the pieces around me

and figure out a way to do it because guess what, when you don't feel like I can play at this level, you're going to move on from me because I saw you do it with Brett. So he's like, I'm going to take, see, I think the thing is Tom Brady's done a great thing and he's been horrible because he's given the Patriots hometown discounts,

which has hurt his team because they look at when it comes up to free agency, everybody looks, it's like, hold on, the best player in NFL history arguably, the best player on our team has always, giving us a discount. Why would I pay you market value when he won't take it? And so now teams around the league expects everyone to give them a discount like Tom Brady's giving the Patriots. Well, everybody doesn't have a wife that's worth $300 million. I'm not giving you no discount.

My wife is sitting at home getting the kids ready to go to school. Tom Brady's wife is making $30, $40 million a year. So it's a blessing and a curse to have these great quarterbacks. Normally what you try to do is, if you look at the Rams, they're going for it because they had Jerry off for the rookie contract. You look at Kansas City, they got this guy on a rookie contract. Dallas, if they're smart, they got DAC on a rookie contract. When you start paying quarterbacks 28,

30, $33 million a year, it limits the pieces that you can put around. You have to go like the Saints did. You got to nail a draft. Yes. Like the Colts did with luck. You guys have a draft when you get like four stars. Yes. Because guess what? You got Kamar on a rookie contract. You got Michael Thomas on a rookie contract. You got a Lattimore on a rookie

contract. You got a lot of your key pieces on rookie contract so you can pay Drew Brees are 25, 27 million. But sooner or later, these guys Kamar's going to win a big contract. Michael Thomas is going to win a big contract. You can't pay everybody market value and keep the team in place.

Finally, Shannon Sharp, Hall of Famer, 14 years. Just an unbelievable, first of all, you've done, you're just an amazing broadcaster. I'm so happy for you because you're such a funny, smart. I remember when I interviewed you three years ago, I brought you on the show and I went to my bosses. I said, this guy's captivating. You're a movie buff. You've got all sorts of stuff

going on. Finally. I said this a couple weeks ago. You put Josh Allen in. He's not ready to play. Just play Lamar Jackson. Maybe I'm selfish. But it looks like the Baltimore players are getting juice off this kid. Flacco, I'll say what you want about it.

When Lamar Jackson comes in, he's not the most polished, refined quarterback. But his receivers are making catches they didn't with Flacco. I'm a go with Lamar from this point forward. I'm wrong. Go with Lamar. What's your take? I believe that you go with Lamar also because this is not just about making the playoff this year. You traded back into the first round to take this guy, so you're saying this guy is going to be our future.

You know what Joe Flacco is. I'm not sure Joe Flacco is in their future for 2019 because they can get away. You know, they'll save $10 million. They'll have some dead money over the next two years. But I believe it's time to move in a different direction than Joe Flacco. A lot of times when you take these guys in the first round, Colin, you have a veteran quarterback. You play the veteran quarterback until you're out of the playoffs. then you bring the rookie in so he can get valuable playing time.

I believe in this situation with Lamar Jackson is that you get better because he's in a situation where they're still trying to make the playoffs. So he knows what it's like to be in these type of ball games moving forward. So I believe this is a better situation for the Ravens because I don't believe Joe Flacco is going to be in their future. And Lamar Jackson, he needs reps. He needs meaningful reps. I've never seen a guy that was on the sidelines like, man, I got

better today. You know, watching them play calling, I really got good today. You get better by playing. Yeah. And Lamar Jackson's only going to get better when he plays. He's wrong and give Marty Morningwick the offensive coordinator because he used to call him plays for drop-back quarterback. That's right. And so for him to implement plays

to cater to what Lamar Jackson does really well, says a lot about Marty. By the way, Marty had Michael Vic for a while, too. So he had a little precursor to what he has right now. It's absolutely great seeing you. Thanks for having you on. Thank you for coming on our show. You're a very, very busy guy. Coming up next, I got some thoughts on the college football weekend.

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It's a huge college football weekend. And, you know, one of the reasons I didn't think Michigan should be in the final four playoff. I thought they were a terrible matchup against Alabama, and a terrible matchup against Alabama or Clemson. And I still think Jim Harbaugh is a great coach, but like every Michigan coach over the last 20 years, they get hammered by Ohio State. And I don't think, I think Michigan proved what I suspected would eventually happen against Alabama. It just happened against Ohio State.

They couldn't compete athletically. They're not the same team. Watch the game. Speed, size, length. They just don't match up. And I'm watching the game, and it really hit me. That in college football right now, stay with me for a second on this. Let's consider top 20 teams.

big boys, right? There's two divisions in the country. Forget the conferences. There's the northern powers, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Washington, Penn State, Northern powers. Then there's the Southern Powers, Bama, Auburn, LSU, Clemson, Oklahoma, Florida, most of the SEC. So don't consider Power Five conferences. Don't consider Coast. Consider two divisions for college football. There's the really good teams up north and the really good down south, warm weather, cold weather. And it really hit me this weekend watching Michigan, Ohio State, again watching what happens every time they play the last 15, 20 years. Ohio State looks like an SEC team.

They look like Oklahoma. They look like Clemson. They look like Auburn. They look like LSU. Nobody really looks like Bama, but they're close. Speed, athleticism, length, depth of talent. that Ohio State, and I've said this several times, is the only northern power that their ideology is Southern. Junior college, transfer, pay whatever it takes.

They're a Southern football team that plays North. And just to throw this out there, everybody wants me to pick the four most deserving teams in the final four. But those aren't the four best teams. The four best teams to me are Alabama, Oklahoma, Clemson. and after this weekend, I don't even think it's Notre Dame. I think it's either Georgia or Ohio State. Forget deserving. You're just telling me who looks different.

And I like Notre Dame. I really do, but they played one SEC team this year. Vanderbilt gave them fits. And I came up with a stat. I asked my team this morning to look something up. Northern powers, southern powers. If you consider Ohio State a southern power, the way they recruit, take transfers.

JCs, pay whatever it takes, sell out their stadium. Ohio State against the Big Ten in the last decade is 74 and 12. The SEC against the Big Ten last decade, 25 and 15. If you take one program in the North, Ohio State, and consider it a southern team, folks, you're telling me who deserves to get in. This is why it's difficult with this playoff. Northern teams mostly beat northern teams. Northwestern couldn't win an out-of-conference game this year.

Oh, for three. Yet they'll end up in the Big Ten championship game. What am I to make of them? Notre Dame. They don't beat Clemson when they play. They struggle with Mandy. That's the difficulty I'm having with the college football final four. It's why I said Oklahoma deserves to be in over Michigan.

Because my eyes tell me depth, length, speed, mobility, player. Oklahoma's better than Michigan. Oklahoma matches up with Alabama. You do remember what happened when Oklahoma played Georgia last year, right? They looked like they should be on the same field. You do remember what happened the last time Notre Dame faced Alabama. It looked like Division I, Division I'm watching Ohio State in Michigan and it just struck me. Why do I even consider Ohio State a Big Ten team? They're nothing like the Big Ten. Look at their record in the last 10 years. Take out the Luke Figgle year. They don't even average one loss a season. Just take out the one year they were in turmoil and hired a guy

who's a coordinator or a position coach, not a head coach. That year, there were three and five. All the other years, they don't even average a loss a year. And so my, you know, my takeaway is when I watch all these games, I try to see it from a big picture perspective, you're asking me to come up with four teams in the end. They're not the best four. The best four teams I've seen this year, the best four teams I've seen. After watching every, I watched all this weekend. Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, and I think it's Georgia. Now, Georgia's going to lose to Alabama.

It'll be a 10th, 13-point game. They'll lose to them. It'll be competitive. It will because they can match up. But, man, I'm watching Michigan, and I'm like, this is what I thought Alabama would do to them. And then I thought, well, Ohio State's closer to Bama the last 15 years than they've been to Michigan. Michigan's not close to Alabama. And Ohio State's not Bama, but they're closer to Alabama than they are to Michigan.

and I watched Notre Dame this year, but again, I get fooled because I'm watching Notre Dame beat Northern teams. And I'm watching Michigan beat Northern teams. And the minute they face Ohio State, it's like, whoa, those teams don't even look athletically like the same team. Ohio State was using their third and fourth receivers. They were using guys barely played as running away from Michigan players.

Anyway, where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, at the top of next hour. Plus, I have Peter King, Trent Dillfer, Rod Woodson. Let me say this about Baker Mayfield. And Baker Mayfield deserves some credit. He's played very well. And the Browns are doing a great job. I mean, hey, throw it 25 times a game.

We're going to run the football, play with a lead. And let's be honest. Atlanta and Cincinnati are statistically the two worst defenses in the league. But here's, but let's just say this. He's gotten better since Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley left. That's impressive. Generally, the rule is, rookie quarterbacks are better with veteran offensive head coaches. The coach left, he's better, and he deserves credit for that.

But when asked about Hugh on the field after the game, here's what Baker said. It looked like you had a very brief encounter. I saw before the game, and then again, after the game with Hugh Jackson. Did he have a chance to say anything to you? If so, maybe what did he say? And what was that like? He said, good job, good game. Yeah, that was brief.

That didn't feel like talking. You or him? Me. When you? I don't know. Left Cleveland goes down in Cincinnati. I don't know. It's just somebody that was in our locker room asking for us to play for him

and then goes to a different team. We play twice a year. Everybody can have their spin on it, but that's how I feel. Why go there? Andrew Luck wouldn't, Breeze wouldn't, Russell Wilson wouldn't, Tom Brady wouldn't. Don't do it. Why go there?

By the way, the other two quarterback, there's three quarterbacks in this league that everybody likes, because they're full of big personalities. Baker, Cam, and Aaron Rogers. How are Cam and Aaron Rogers doing these days? Folks, the Seattle locker room basically deserted Russell Wilson, crapped on him to ESPN the magazine. He never fired back.

These quarterback positions, you fall in love with personnel. You fell in love with Johnny Mansell. You fall in love with Johnny Mansell. with Cam. You're falling in love with Aaron Roger. You want personality. I don't. I want boring. There's no reason Baker Mayfield even needs to go there. He's having a good month, getting himself on track. Just stop. Nonsense. Leave it to receiver running back to do that, the herd. Here we go, hour two. This is the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening live in Los Angeles, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio on FS1, Jamie Maggio in today.

Love to have her sitting alongside Joy Taylor in the Midwest. Don't need to give the location. Don't want to disclose that. But the blizzard stuck in where she's stuck and she's coming back. But, you know, I guess the Midwest had bad weather. Snow does not sound like fun right now. It doesn't. Listen, we're lucky.

We live in a place where it doesn't snow much, at all. So it's great to have you in a Monday. By the way, yesterday I'm not going to get into predicators. I actually have a piece of evidence. I don't know why I call it evidence. That makes it sound like a crime scene. I was driving to work yesterday at Fox. I sneezed and my nose exploded.

I don't get bloody noses. I guess there was dry air, blood on my, everything shy of the windshield. And I was driving to work yesterday, blood on my shirt, blood on my face, and the only thing I thought was,

if I get pulled over right now, I'm a suspect. Because I sneezed with a dry nose and I have a shirt in the back of my car and I've got blood all over it. And I don't even know. know how everybody kept going on you okay and i'm like yeah it was like eight ounces of blood i'm fine i didn't get you know i don't need a tourniquet but it was i don't even

they had the other guy feel terrible for he's in my trunk all right here we go it's a monday where collins right where collins wrong where colin was right i don't think i've ever picked an entire conference right but before the season my top seven in the a fc where new England, Pittsburgh, Chargers, Baltimore, Chiefs, Indy, and Houston. And those are the top seven teams in the AFC. Now, Kansas City is better than I predicted, because I said coming into the year, I've never seen Patrick Mahomes play. I have no idea what I'm getting.

I'm just going to trust Andy Reid to get to 500. And I have not been good on the NFC, but I've never been this accurate on an entire conference than I've been on the AFC this year. And I do think Baltimore and Indy, as I predicted, would be the two. teams fighting for the last wild card spot. Where Colin was wrong. I had my worst blazing five of the year. Thank God to Cleveland Browns.

I picked them one. I took a lot of dogs. I took Green Bay. I took Detroit. I just couldn't get anything right this weekend. Now, I'm still 33 and 25. I took dogs and a lot of favorites won. Baker, Baker Moneymaker was terrific for me.

He's been good for me all year. I've been good on Baker Mayfield. I should bet him every week. And boy, I trusted Cam and Russell Wilson. was just unbelievable late in that game. Where Colin was right? Remember when Rob Parker, FS1 came on the show about six months ago, and he called Matt Stafford, Statt-Padford?

And I'm like, whoa, I think he's right. You can't beat at home the Bears and Chase Daniels on a short week. He just makes too many errant throws. He misses too many wide-open guys. He's been in this league a decade. Forget the playoff wins, none. Give me a signature win. Eric Ebron was a bust with him.

Eric Ebron goes over to play with Andrew Locke, and he's a Pro Bowl tied end. At some point, Matt Stafford, a decade into this league, with that contract and that arm, again, forget the money. Show me the evidence. He's a top quarterback, because I can't find it statistically, and I can't find it with trophies. Where Colin was wrong.

I said before the season, I got to take a hit on this. I thought the Big Ten coaching was so good. the Big Ten would inch closer and closer to the SEC. I think they're further apart than they've ever been. It's Ohio State and a bunch of unathletic-looking teams. Michigan looks slow. Northwestern couldn't win an out-of-conference game, and they're in the Big Ten championship.

Wisconsin, Michigan State can't move the ball. I thought the Big Ten coaching was so good that in the footprint of the Big Ten, they wouldn't have the athletes of the SEC, but they get closer. No, they're not. And another one, I mean, I watched Auburn at least push back a little bit on Alabama. I don't think anybody outside of Ohio State would even push back a little. And Auburn's not even good in the SEC.

They push back on Alabama. I was wrong on that one. Where Colin was right. But I did say before the year that I thought the Western Conference of the NBA was dysfunctional and highly overrated. You want to know who outside of the Warriors is on top right now, the West? the Clippers, the Nuggets, Memphis and Dysfunctional OKC. By the way, Memphis, Mark Gassall, Mike Conley. They're now a power.

Come on. The West has got a lot of stars and a lot of egos and a lot of so-so coaches. And I think the Clippers are a fun story. They got a lot of good stuff out of that Blake Griffin trade. But if they're the best team in the West right now, the West's not very good. And the East has Philadelphia. I like him. Toronto?

Deep. A lot of guys can play on that team. Boston's not even playing well. And you got Milwaukee. So the West is every bit as dysfunctional as overrated as I thought it was. Where Colin was wrong. Listen, Lamar Jackson's 2-0. I said in this draft, I said Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen,

they're not ready to play in this league. Now, again, he's had some picks. They played bad teams. The games have been at home. But you know what? When you watch Baltimore play, he just gives them juice. He just gives them energy. and in 2018, I like my quarterbacks to have a little mobility.

Now, I think he runs too much. I'd rather he scale it back a little. I'd rather be a little more advanced throwing it. But I've got to tell you right now, if I owned or ran that team, I'd stick with Lamar Jackson. It's fun. And by the way, Flacco's got limitations. He's not mobile and he's not accurate. Lamar's got limitations.

He doesn't have a lot of NFL starts. But he had seven wide receivers yesterday that he completed passes to, and he is much better, much more capable than I expected. Where Colin was right? When the Cowboys gave away a first pick, a first round pick for Amari Cooper, people freaked out. And I said, well, they're going to draft the wide receiver anyway. And outside of that really good player at Arizona State University, he's way better than all the college receivers I've seen this year. And Amari Cooper was the player of note in the Cowboy Thanksgiving win over Washington.

Four games, he's got 22 cash. He's got three touchdowns. And the thing that's really important here, he looks and he separates like a number one receiver. Now, he's not a number one receiver on maybe Atlanta or Pittsburgh. But I think he's a number one receiver on about half the teams, and he's at least a number two receiver on everybody else. He separates. He's got good hands.

He is physical. He's hard to bring down. This was the number one high school receiver in the country. He was the number one college receiver in the country. He may not be the number one NFL receiver, but Dallas got a difference maker. And that's what first round picks are about. And I like their pick. I like their trade.

Good for the Cowboys. Where Colin was wrong. Boy, the Celtics, if I was a Celtics. I picked them to get to the championship against the Warriors and beat them. They're 10 and 10. They've lost 8 of 12. And Brad Stevens' sort of team ball approach. Kyrie Irving is doing too much ISO.

Jason Tatum, after having a good playoff run, to me, is doing too much ISO. Gordon Hayward comes off that devastating injury, he does not look like to this point the same player. They've lost 8 of 12. They're a 7 seat in the east. Now, again, it's early. I mean, Utah's struggling. I like Utah. But when you watch the Celtics play, they're not as crisp offensively. And this is the downside to Kyrie Irving. He is a shooting point guard. I like my point guards to generally distribute first, score second. Now, I give Kyrie. and Steph Curry a pass because they are brilliant shooters as well. But the movement of the basketball is not as good last year when Kyrie was hurt and sitting

out. Where Colin was right? But I was right on Westbrook. You see where he was one for 12 on threes against Denver? By the way, when he was gone, they were five and one. He's back there two and two. And he is still the worst shooting three points. guy in the league. Oh, but my bad, in all four games, he's had a triple double. That's why I won

the MVP. It's a triple double. A triple double in the NBA is becoming a quarterback who throws for 4,300 yards. If you don't, you should be a college quarterback. Westbrook's hard to play with. Westbrook can't shoot. Westbrook has to drive to score, meaning Westbrook gets hurt at the rim. Sorry, but this goes kind of the John Wall left. He's talented, but the Wizards went on a winning street without him. Blake Griffin left. Clippers went on a winning streak without him. You ever notice how good the Clippers this year are without Blake Griffin? There's a handful of guys in this league I've been banging on. They're talented. I don't think they make anybody better, Wall, Blake, and Westbrook. Where Colin was wrong. Yeah, I just didn't know what the hell I was talking about

with the Chicago Bears. I had him picked for last in their division, 5 and 11. I mean, Mitch Trubisky was just pedestrian. I saw him his first year. I didn't get it. He never had a game over two touchdowns. And they still, I don't think, have great offensive players. I think their running backs are good,

but they're humming, they're well-coached. Their eight best players, according to pro football focus, are all defensive players. They have a brilliant young head coach. And I'll give Trubisky this. I don't see him as a transform. I don't think he has Deshawn Watson or Andrew Luck or Carson-Wenz talent, but you know what? The most important thing in the NFL today is a quarterback.

I'm not so sure the second most important thing isn't a play caller. And Matt Nagy and Trubisky, it's working. With that defense, it's working, and I was wrong. Where Colin was right? I said Michigan would be a terrible matchup for Alabama. They don't pass the eye test. Their running backs aren't special. They're quarterback small, a poor man's Johnny Manzell.

And I don't like their offensive line. And Michigan got thumped by Ohio State. Now, I was surprised by the outcome. I thought the Michigan-Ohio State game looked exactly like what Alabama Michigan would look like. Michigan's defense was number one in the country, mostly dominating Big Ten teams. I mean, that's what they did mostly. They dominated Big Ten teams.

Do you know Michigan's defense gave up more points this weekend than their basketball team has given up all season long? And they've lost the two best teams they've played. Ohio State and Notre Dame. I think they're a really, really good Big Ten football team. Where Colin was wrong. Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley got fired by Cleveland

and Baker Mayfield's gotten better. That's not the way it's supposed to work. You know, these young quarterbacks are usually better with experienced offensive coaches. But his completion percentage since they left is 74%. Now, that's always been his

strength, his accuracy. But I got to give Baker credit. This is a chaotic organization. It's a dysfunctional organization. And they've already, in his first year, had dysfunction. And he's overcome it. He stayed focused on completing passes. It's what he does. Now, Cleveland's got real running backs and real receivers. When you're as bad as Cleveland has been for years, and you draft well, and they had a hell of a draft. They've got players. But Baker deserves credit here. This thing is still swimming in chaos and he has just kept his eye. When he plays

these games, open receiver, let it go, get it to him. That's where he looks like Drew Breeze. He's not as good as Drew Breeze, but the people that said he's Drew Breeze, this is where he's Drew Breeze. Drew Breeze has always made a career out of chaos around him, deficiencies

around him, focusing on game, completing passes, moving the sticks. It's what Baker has done very well so far this year. Peter King is right around the corner. Also, why I'm so happy this morning, despite the fact, my nose exploded yesterday. And despite the fact that I had a terrible blazing five, something happened this weekend that made me so happy. I went four for four on something, not football picks. It made me so happy.

And I'll explain that, plus Peter King coming up. Car shopping's confusing. A lot of terms. Dealer price, list price, invoice. Here's what's not. Truecar.com. New or used creates clarity when buying. a car. Wild game yesterday, several wild games. I watched a lot of the Seattle Carolina game,

Cam versus Russell Wilson. And with that, let's go via the Coward Global Satellite Network, Peter King, NBCSports.com. This game was fun to watch. Pete Carroll's one of the coach of the year candidates because we all kind of counted them out. I'm sure you watched most of that game. What did you make a Russell Wilson late? I thought down the stretch, he was he was in incredibly good. He reminded me down the stretch of this game. The last game I saw Russell Wilson make a couple of throws like this was late in the NFC championship game in 2014 when he beat Aaron Rogers after starting that game horribly. In this game, Colin, you know, to understand really how great an ending that Russell Wilson played in this game, just consider this. It's fourth and

three, your team is five and five. You're down seven points. There's three and a half minutes to go. And it's fourth and three. Okay, instead of trying to get the first down and then maybe living to fight another day, he saw a receiver who had a step on a Carolina cornerback and he said, listen, if I've told my teammates, you know, hey, we got to go for it. you know, we got to be bold, you know, and you've got to play with everything you have. I know that's all cliche stuff, but that's what he says in the huddle. That's what he says, hey, we're trying to win this game. We're going to make big plays.

So he throws a ball 47 yards in the air, drops out of the sky right into his receiver's hands in the end zone. And that, to me, was just like his throw to Jermaine Kirst to win the NFC championship game in overtime four years ago. thought it was a heroic thrill. Yeah. No, it just, that game was at, and Pete Carroll, we were all banging on him. At least I was. He is up there with Matt Nagy to me as one of the coaches of the year. Let's shift to Baker Mayfield.

Generally, rookie quarterbacks are better served with a veteran offensive coach, Hugh Jackson, a Todd Haley. But they leave and Baker's clearly better without them. Is it an indictment on Hugh Jackson? Who deserves credit beyond Baker here? Well, I think number one, I think Freddie Kitchens, who's the offensive coordinator there now, and he's sort of the guru to Baker, and he's been there the whole time. So he's had a connection with Baker.

I think if you ask Freddie Kitchens, he will always say, said, I like throwing the ball down the field. And that's what you're seeing now. That's what he learned under Bruce Ariens for five years in Arizona. and I think that's one of the things that the Cleveland Browns are seeing now. Baker Mayfield doesn't have a passable downfield arm. He has a good downfield arm. He doesn't have a cannon. He's not thrown at 75 yards or anything.

But he's got a good downfield arm and he's accurate. When he came out in the draft last April, Colin, I'll never forget. Pro Football Focus, the analytics company, wrote that of all, the quarterbacks in the draft, we trust Baker Mayfield, throwing the ball downfield, better than all these guys, including Josh Allen. And so I think that is coming home to Roost, and I think Freddie Kitchens is getting really good stuff out of him. You know, I watched the Pittsburgh Steelers yesterday, and I gave Ben credit. I said, yes, it was a terrible pass in the end. But they allowed him to throw 56 times. I mean, that's parents leaving for

the weekend and, you know, leaving the kids by themselves. That's a lot of respect. 56 times is, that's double what a lot of quarterbacks are throwing. I still think Pittsburgh's my Super Bowl favorite. I still love this team along with New Orleans. What did you make of the loss, though, and some of their mistakes in the red zone? I would be a little bit concerned. I mean, I still cannot figure out what Ben Rothersberger saw when he threw the ball to be, you know, like the two-yard line to be intercepted by a defensive tackle. I'm a little mystified by that one. And it was a desperate time. You know, he needed to try to find somebody. I got that. But that decision just wasn't very good. Now, having said that, Ben Rothesberger is one of these

quarterbacks that 80% of the time he's going to make plays where he say, man, I love having that guy as my quarterback, including the 97-yard incredible thing. throw that will go down as one of the top five throws he's made in his life. I mean, number one, obviously will be the Super Bowl throw to San Antonio Holmes. But this will be in the top five. It was an unbelievable play. But, you know, Ben giveth and Ben taketh away, because at the end of that game, you can't make that throw. I still regard him as a great quarterback. I love watching them play. If I were a Steeler fan, I'd be happy with him as my quarterback. but that was an awful, awful throw he made at the end.

So Philip Rivers at one point yesterday, 25 for 25, and there's still this lingering thing with me. I don't trust the Chargers. I just feel that way. I just don't trust them in a big spot. Do you? Well, Colin, that's because they've lost eight in a row to the Chiefs. I mean, you know, at some point, this year, okay,

they're going to have to beat teams that they have struggled playing. and I'm talking about Kansas City, and I'm talking about New England. Okay. So, I mean, you have to tell me right now, not to mention the fact that, you know, if the season, you know, if the playoff seeds were the way they were today, it'd be the Chargers at the Steelers this Sunday night. And then on Wild Card weekend, it would be the Chargers at the Steelers five weeks later. So, I mean, they're going to have a tough, tough road unless somehow, some way that, let's say Kansas City loses at Seattle.

And then let's say Kansas City loses at home on the Thursday night to the Chargers. Then maybe they could sneak in and win that division. But I don't give them a great chance to win that division. Every year I make predictions before the season, and there's always a team I completely whiff on. Nobody in the country that does what I do for a living whiffed as badly on the Chicago Bears as I did. I didn't see it coming. I didn't like Tribisky out of college. I didn't know who Matt Nagy was.

I whiffed. Is it real? Did you see it coming? Do you think it's real? They're going to get into the playoffs as a division leader, a division winner. I think so too, Colin, and here's what you have to ask yourself. I think at some point in this postseason, the 26th highest paid quarterback, Mitchell Trubisky, in a division with the first, third, and fifth highest paid quarterback.

Wow. Rogers, Kirk Cousins, and Matthew Stafford, the 26th highest paid quarterback is going to have to make some plays. I mean, and so you have to, their defense is going to be a load for anybody they play. I'll tell you, the game of the year, the rest of this year, every game, I don't care, how many games are we talking about? The game of the year, down the stretch of this season, Rams, Bears, Sunday night and two weeks. That's going to be fabulous because it's now what everybody is saying, oh, my God, there's too much offense, versus about the only team that can play great defense anymore at all.

And to me, this is going to be Vic Fangio's opportunity, at least in my opinion, to show every owner and every GM in the hiring process in the postseason. You know what? Don't just look for the miracle genius next guy, Jeff Brom, David Shaw on offense. Don't look for that guy. why don't you look for somebody who can stop those guys? And so that to me is going to be just a great football game in two weeks. Good 10 minutes with Peter King, NBC Sports.

Love having you on Mondays. Peter, thank you so much. You're welcome, Colin. Thank you. Yeah, I whiffed on the bears. I didn't see it coming. I just did not see it coming. Now, I will say this.

There's a real pause. Everybody loves the Rams here in L.A. I've been saying, pump the brakes. They're not going to New Orleans and win. You know, Rams still have a couple tough games. They lose those games. Could they end up going to a Chicago? Rams don't look as good when they played in Minnesota last year.

They're not the same team on the road. They're not going to look good in Chicago. They're not going to look as good in New Orleans. Keep your eye on the bears. I don't know what I'm talking about with them, but keep your eye on the bears. Jamie with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Column, we've got a fun one on Thursday night football this week. Saints at Cowboys. As we know, Saints are red hot right now. They've won 10 in a row. They're 10-1 on the season. Cowboys 6 and 5, they play in the NFC East. But anyway, Amari Cooper, receiver for Dallas,

says that this game against the Saints could be a measuring stick for the Cowboys. Here's Amari. They won, what, 10 in a row or something like that. So, I mean, why not look at it that way? You know, they're one of the best teams in the league, so if we can beat them, then that says a lot about us. And it's exciting. When I'm on the sideline, watching a defense, create all those turnovers, how passionate they are, it makes me want to go out there on offense and, you know, do the same type of things.

You know, I actually think he nailed it. We know the Saints are great. Right now they're the best team in the league. You can't argue it. I mean, they disassembled the Rams. It's a real measuring stick game. It's like Michigan. Michigan had a measuring stick game.

They're not very good. New Orleans leading the NFL in points per game. And you can't run on them. You can't run on them. I mean, they're secondary now. Last two weeks has played better. We'll see it. Dallas can win, but they tend to win when they play a certain way.

New Orleans can win five different ways. Right. And you're pitting this as two teams at top of their division going at it. But again, Cowboys, six and five in the NFC East. If they lose Thursday, the NFC East has, what, three teams at six and six? That's what you're looking at? All right, next up we're going to keep with football. And remember Jalen Ramsey doing all that chirping, GQ, calling out all the quarterbacks?

We had something to say about Josh Allen up in Buffalo calling him a trash. He's never been shy about trash talking. But this weekend, the Bills and Jaguar squared off. And Bill's walk away with the win. And despite Ramsey on the losing team, he had no problem looking at the Bill's sideline, telling him they were trash. But when the game ended, Ramsey did manage to show a little bit of a respect to Josh Allen. As competitors, you know, when things happen, you know, we want to compete.

And, you know, he's an ultimate competitor just like myself. Maybe he was a respect thing, I'm not really sure. But I appreciate that. You know, it takes a big man to do that. The good thing about, you know, the world we live in is everybody can have an opinion. I stick by my opinions usually. He got us with his feet. He did enough for their team to get a win.

I mean, that's really what matters at the end of the day. Yeah. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. Baker Mayfield, they're winning games. I mean, they're winning games. I didn't think Lamar and Josh would win it, but Jacksonville's a mess. Ugh, what a mess. They're three and eight.

Yeah, they got a clean house. They're a mess. Jalen Ramsey changing his tune now that they're three and eight, a little bit of a softer trash talk there with the media after the game. This is a fun one. Kauai Leonard and Greg Popovich. That love affair ended last year. Yeah.

Kauai only played nine games for San Antonio. But at one point, that was a real match made in heaven. Well, Greg Popovich came out and had a statement about, well, he was asked, I should phrase it this way, he was asked about a lack of leadership this season as his spurs are struggling. And if that leadership left when Kauai left, here's what Greg had to say. Kauai was a great player, but he wasn't a leader or anything. You know, Manu and Patty were the leaders. So Kauai's talent would always be missed. But that leadership wasn't his deal.

at that time. That's funny to me because you know, I don't know if you're talking about last year or not, but I guess when you stop playing, I forget how you lead, but other than that, I mean, it doesn't matter. I'm here with the Raptors, and I'm focused on

the season and that's what's going on another side. I think it's fair to say Kauai is a great player was not necessarily a great verbal leader. I think that, I don't think that's a shot. I think that's fair. Tim Duncan wasn't necessarily a leader, but he was a leader.

Yeah. Derek Jeter wasn't necessarily a verbal leader. Not a rah-rah guy. Yeah. I mean, I'm not in the locker room. I don't know. I think Greg Popovich should say thank you for the service rendered to the spurs because they're not as good without Kauai Leonard and the Raptors are better with Kauai Leonard. I'm just impressed at how long of a

sound bite that was from Greg Popovich. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah. Jamie of the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. By the way, it was a great weekend for me. I'm not going to lie. It was a great weekend for me. Not Blazing 5.

No, it wasn't great. It wasn't great for me on Blazing 5. It was my nose exploded in my car, driving to work. It was a great day for me because my four favorite quarterbacks in the NFL, Tom, Brady, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, and Drew Brees, all won four for four. But they're boring. They're not great on social media. They have neck beards.

They never give you a good quote. They're not Cam Cool. They're not Aaron Rogers cocky. They don't have the personality of Baker Mayfield. I like to call them. The bore four. But they all won this weekend. They're adults.

They don't hang out on Twitter. They're grownups. Don't celebrate much. They're not cool. Talking cliches. But I had a great weekend because Brady, Breeze, Locke and Russell Wilson, my bore four. Yeah, not cool, not hip, not fashionable. Boring all one.

If you did not see, here's a montage on some of their boring plays. Blitz picked up. Wilson going for it all. Third and nine. Luck, duck's the pass rush, throwing deep. He has a man, opening, he's got him. That's Chester Rogers. Deep drop, Brady, deep ball,

looking for Gromkowski. He's got it. Touchdown, Patriots. Clices, neckbeards, bad quotes, don't swear. My guys, the bore four.

went four for four this weekend. It was a great weekend for me. Coming up, Trent Dilfer, around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Thursday night football returns this week with two of the biggest teams in the league as Ezekiel Elliott, Dak Prescott, and the Cowboys. Take on Drew Breeze, Michael Thomas, and the Saints. It all starts at 730 Eastern on Fox, NFL Network, and streaming.

on Prime Video. These Thursday night games have been absolutely fantastic this year. And with that, we go via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Decade and a half in the NFL, a Super Bowl and a Pro Bowl. Trent Dilfer is joining me, our friend. Let's go back to last night's big game. Kirk Cousins in a primetime spot played pretty well. Aaron did not.

One in nine in his last 10 on the road. Listen, he's got a running game. They're third in the NFL in Sacks. He continues to struggle. What are your eyes telling you about McCarthy, Rogers, and the Packers? there's definitely a disconnect calling i've never said i've studied this offense for years uh the green may packers erin rogers his relationship with mike mccarthy um they've always had a very sympathetic relationship between quarterback and play caller i usually can tell that by the by the um

presence of the quarterback when he's happy with the call when he's unhappy with the call uh Aaron forever has matched his feet to his eyes we call it tying your feet your eyes where your eyes and your feet are almost married together and they're always looking at the right place at the right time. This year it looks disjointed. I think the biggest thing I've seen is that they've tried to incorporate some new concepts. They've tried to incorporate some more cluster formations, some motions, some stuff that's not typical of them to work the middle of the football field. And Aaron hasn't been comfortable with it.

His eyes immediately abandon it, go out to the perimeter, try to get the big play right away instead a death by a thousand cuts approach by working the middle of the field. When they were really good offensively, it was a very simple formula. They were balanced for one, and number two, in their passing game, they attacked you slowly. They would methodically march the ball at the passing game. And then when you made a mistake, when you got too aggressive, that's when they would strike you down the field. It looks like Aaron is trying to get the easy way out on play and try to attack downfield when there is stuff in front of them open. Yeah, I want to talk about New England.

They averaged 28 a game this year. They averaged 28 a game last year. The last six years, they averaged 28 a game. They don't turn it over. No penalties. Tom's protected. Yesterday it was running in a gronk touchdown. That looked like the last eight years, but they're not as dynamic as the rest of the top

teams in the league. I watch them yesterday and I'm like, it's the same Patriots, but is the league elevated above them? What do you make of it? No, I think they remake themselves every year, every game. I think their genius is that they build a system around what best suits their personnel. And this personnel with Trent Brown at left tackle and a bunch of running backs, a big tight end that can block in lines.

People always forget that when Bronk is healthy, is the most dominant tight end blocker in the league, not just a great pass receiver. They're physical. They want to play a different style of football this year. They've remade themselves. They don't care about what the stats say. They don't care about, quote, unquote, innovation. They care about winning.

And they felt that this year's formula, you can see it early on. That way, they were going to run the ball downhill with Sony and Michelle on the bigger, more physical offensive line. They're going to play action pass more often. They were going to do less of their spread looks. Now, there may come a time this year when spreading teams out and throwing the ball five yards and running after the catch and doing that 45 times of games,

the best way to win a game. But right now they're staying very true to who they wanted to be to start this season. It's an effective model. It also helps their defense. I think it's one they know is sustainable. And obviously, Tom Brady is getting older. He's still brilliant, but he is older. And I don't know if you want to drop him back 45 times a game like you will of Patrick Mahomes.

I just think it's more prudent to play a more balanced style of football. football and they're doing it very well. Steelers dropped Big Ben back 56 times. How did that sit with you? Foolish. I just think it's foolish. And I know people can say that, wow, what a sign of respect for Ben. And I get that. But their formula, when they're really good, has always been a 60, 40 pass run.

Ben's brilliant. He absolutely brilliant. And he can carry that kind of water. He can throw it 56 times. But you're going to be better as a team when you're balanced. They have a very good offensive line. They have a very good runner and Connor. They can do a lot of things without trying to throw it 56 times around the yard.

I think they would have scored more points if they could have got Denver out of that double, double coverage and got them more to single high plays. Yes, they got some big plays to Juju, but they're better when they can strike you vertically with Antonio Brown, when they can run the ball, pound inside the defense, set up play action, and Juju is an auxiliary player. Denver dared them to throw the ball, the tied into the backs, dared them to run it, and they didn't do it. Therefore, they didn't score that many points offensive.

What do you make on Baker Mayfield? I'd rather my quarterbacks be fire extinguishers, not a can of gasoline, talking after the game about Hugh. What do you make of that? I want my quarterbacks to be who they are, Colin. And I think this is the biggest lesson I learned in all my years in the NFL is that too often coaches, media people, whoever, want somebody to be something they're not. And when you start stealing that from their DNA, they become less of who they are. What if we try to make Philip Rivers less onry? What if we try to take Tom Brady and not let him have, I don't want to say temper tantrums,

but show his anger on the sideline? What if early on Bill Belichick said, Tom Brady, you can't kick water coolers, you can't throw your helmet, you can't drop F-bombs because that's not what quarterbacks do. Maybe Tom Brady doesn't handle, doesn't get his stuff out of his system between series as well as he does now. I think Baker Mayfield's a mature kid for 22 years older. old he is. He also is a little edgy. He's a little Henri. He likes the chip on his shoulder mentality. He likes the bunker mentality. And that's okay because it's who he is and it's working for him.

He will grow. He'll mature in life like we all do. He'll do, he'll pour less gasoline on situations as he gets older. But the thing that drives me more crazy than anything in the NFL is when I see kids that have something special in their DNA and coaches and media try to get it out of them because it doesn't fit their paradigm on what they should look like. What's gotten them to this point, all of these guys, pick anyone out of a half, is that they have something inside of them that most people don't. And you got to let that stuff come out because it's part of what makes them really good at what they do.

Yeah, that's interesting. I'm boring, so I like boring guys. Finally, I was going to call you on that. I mean, listen, I'm a get off my long guy too like you are at times. Yeah. I just learned to appreciate that we're. We're all not the same, and we're not robots. And when you start trying to turn quarterbacks into robots, you get a lesser version of who

that quarterback is. I only got about a minute and a half left. My MVP is Breeze. Andrew Luck's honorable mention. Who am I leaving out? Philip Rivers. And I agree with you on the first two. I saw your segment earlier on the Who Cares as your third.

I think you should care about Philip Rivers. I like your first two, not arguing with you, but Philip Rivers deserves to be in this conversation. He is playing brilliant football. They're one of the better teams in NFL. I think they are a real contender. He has changed his mentality to fit this football team. And he's always been one of those special guys in terms of competitive temperament. He gets the most out of everybody.

He drags them along. He carries the water. He'll do it ever you need him to do to win. He's a win or die kind of guy. And that's what I want my quarterback. And he deserves to be the third guy in the discussion. Yeah, he's got some old school with him. Big, tough, play.

He's just, he looks like a 1988 quarterback, tough, trash talk a little bit, play hurt, big arm, super aggressive. Trent's great talking to you, my man. Love seeing you on our show. Ten seconds, Colin. All the quarterbacks, Brady, Breeze, Rogers, all night, talk about who's the guy that respect as much as anybody? Philip Rivers. That's cool. It's nice to see him when.

I wish he didn't play in a soccer stadium, but it's not. Great to see him. Okay, good seeing you. You know, Trent makes a good point. You know, my favorite quarterbacks are Brady, Breeze, Luck, and Russell, and I call him the bore for. And that Trent's saying basically, hey, you're trying to make them, you're boring, so you like boring.

And I married an artist. My wife's more of a designer artist, so I do have some of that, or I do, that does appeal to me. You know, I'm going to think about that. Maybe I have to put my arms around Baker Mayfield and hug him a little more. Have I, John, have I been a little rough on him maybe? Because I'm boring and the guys I love are mostly boring. Aaron drives me crazy.

Cam drives me nuts. Baker drives me nuts. Mansell drove me crazy. Yap, chap, chap, chat. Social media fashion. Stuff doesn't work for me. It's like a psychological deep dive you're trying to do. I'm going to do.

First of all, my head exploded, driving to work yesterday, my nose. It blew up in my car. I got blood all over my car. It's like a crime scene. Is it still there? No, I mean, well, yeah. I mean, if a detective came and looked at my car, it would be there. I can't see it.

I mostly cleaned it up and put the body in the trunk. The point being is it was rare drama in my life because I'm not dramatic. I am so proud of my bore four. They went four for Horthers weekend. I just, I like, maybe I should have told Dilfer. Maybe Baker's job is to be more like I want. No, that doesn't make it. All right. Rod Woodson, we got a great last hour coming up. It's cold and flu season. Try VIX Cynex nasal spray. When congestion strikes, it works up to 12 hours. Vick Cinex nasal spray. It beats the alternative, which is my nose exploding, driving to work.

Here we go, hour three. This is the herd, wherever you may be in. However, you may be listening live in Los Angeles. high heart radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1. A couple of things real quick here. I know everybody's saying, Colin, what about Jim Harbaugh? And I would say, what about Jim Harbaugh? You think Big Ben can't quarterback because he threw a pick yesterday? So he's still great.

Coaches win games and lose games. Bill Belichick got fired in Cleveland. Still a coach. Nick Sabin didn't do much at Michigan State or the NFL. Jim Harbaugh is a great coach. Four-for-four turnaround jobs. Got to a Super Bowl. So what, he lost to Ohio State?

Ohio State's better. Go look at the last 16 times Ohio State's played Michigan. I think Michigan's won, one. None of their coaches can beat Ohio State because Ohio State's a better program with better athletes. And Urban Myers, pretty good. Coming up in 15 minutes. Oh, Jamie Maggio's here. Sorry about that, Jamie.

I start ranting. I lose my mind. I'm low on blood sugar or blood, period, because my nose exploded driving to work yesterday. I'm a mess. It's great to have you on a Monday. Thank you. 15 minutes from now, Super Bowl championed 11-time pro bow to Rod Woodson, and one of the great all-time players joins us in studio.

In Best for Last, every Monday, I give you NFL, every NFL game from the weekend, described in three words, the three-word game. But first of all, I'm watching Aaron Rogers last night, so are you. And I'm watching him against the Minnesota Vikings lose. And it reminded me of that famous line. Remember that line from movie Jerry McGuire, show me the money? I'm more of a show me the evidence.

If you're going to tell me you're great, I got to see you're great. Stats, Super Bowl's, rings. Aaron Rogers is now one and nine in his last 10 road games. I know, I know it's not his fault. It never is. It's his defense. Oh, wait.

They're third in the NFL and sacks. It's his running game. He doesn't have one. No, actually, Aaron Jones is dynamic, averaging over six yards to carry. Mike McCarthy's a buffoon. Really? He resurrected Brett Farb's career. Come on now.

Come on now. Show me the evidence. You got to give me something. Stats. No, Breeze has those. trophies, no Tom has those. You got to show me something. You've got to show me some evidence.

You've been telling me all you media guys and all you fans for a decade have been telling me, oh, he's got a great arm, great arm, great arm. All right, so did Jeff George? I mean, a million guys have a great arm. It's the NFL. Joe Flacko's got a great arm. Show me the evidence. Ask yourself this.

Is that, you know how they write those business books on what it takes to be a great leader and a great CEO? You can go to a library, go to Amazon.com, look up business books. books. There's a million of them. I've read a handful in my life. Here's the qualities they never say make a great leader, aloof, condescending, arrogant, difficult to work with. Those are not qualities of Aaron Rogers. Those are now his brand. If I say to you, Hall of Fame quarterback, condescending, you think Aaron Rogers. Hall of Fame quarterback, aloof, hard to play. You're saying Aaron Rogers. It's like saying Joe Flacco's inaccurate. That's his brand. That's not a quality. That's who he is.

Jay Cutler, Moody, that's not a quality. That's his brand. Tom Brady, driven, passionate. Not a quality. That's his brand. I mean, Aaron Rogers, you notice this with Green Bay? The longer he's there, the uglier it gets. Because people that are difficult to work with, you can tolerate him for a year, deal with

them for two, appease them, placate them for four. But after about nine, you want to strangle him. But Colin, you're picking on Aaron Rogers. Why the hell would I do that? Do I pick on LeBron? Do I pick on Steph Curry? Do I pick on Roger Fedder? Do I pick on Serena?

When have I ever picked on the Great? Do I pick on the Warriors? Do I pick on Tom Brady? Do I pick on Russell Wilson? Do I pick on Andrew Luck? Do I pick on Drew Breeze? Who do I pick? I picked on Tebow.

Because he wasn't very good. I picked on Westbrook. Great but hard to play with. And yes, yes, I pick on Aaron Rogers. No, I don't. I'm honest. And you're all coming around now. I used to get a lot of pushback on this.

I used to get nothing but hate mail. You don't know what you're talking about. You know what I get now? Silence. And that's what I know I'm right. Because fans are not going to admit they're wrong. I get that. That's okay.

It's part of the deal. But when fans disappear, that's when you're right. The Westbrook fans, they don't push back. They just disappeared. The Aaron Rogers fans, they don't push back. They just disappeared. I don't hear from them anymore. I mean, again, I'm not saying it.

It's all Aaron's fault. But he can't take a little blame. He's not a little rough to work with. I have four former Packers I know. All said the same thing. Far of McCarthy got along great. Aaron McCarthy, major fissures. One in nine, last ten on the road.

Here's a stat. Show me the money? Show me the evidence. So Breeze has the stats. Tom has the trophies. Aaron Rogers is now 0 and 37 after last night's loss of the Vikings. he is now 0 for 37 when he enters the fourth quarter of any game trailing by more than a point and the team he is playing in that moment at that moment has a winning record.

Now think about that. Aaron Rogers has never won a game 0.37 when he enters the fourth quarter trailing by more than one point against the team in that moment. Now that may not be a great team. Many of them aren't. But in that moment they have a winning record. come on now you keep telling me well he needs the right coach i'm not saying he and mccarthy are a good mix but does he need sean mcvay does he need the perfect running game and the perfect defense

and the perfect coach and the perfect schedule because the greats don't um let let me shift gears to the steelers so everybody's going to beat up on big ben today i get it terrible terrible interception late I get it. Today, this morning, every sports radio host, man, woman's going to crush him. I would like to point out that James Connor, red zone fumble, fumbled the ball when there was nobody around him. And at the end of the first half, a tight end fumbled the ball out of the red zone and they lost possession.

Those weren't Ben's fault, right? But here's the number I want you to look at, not the score. Not the score. Here's what I want you to look at. Big Ben was 41 of 56. passing. And I want you to think about 56 pass attempts. 56 pass attempts. He leads the NFL in pass attempts this year. And that's on a good team that generally doesn't trail games late and have to pass

with a good team with a legitimate running game that could run the ball. The Pittsburgh Steelers allowed him yesterday to throw the ball 56 times. Why is that a big deal? Here's why it's a big deal. You parents out there, you can brag about your kids' grades. Oh, little Johnny got an A-plus. Little Susie's a perfect student. All you parents out there, you can brag about your kids' sports accomplishments. He hit a home run.

She scored a goal. But you know when you got good kids, when you can leave for the weekend and trust them. The Pittsburgh Steelers with a running game said, Ben, we're leaving for the weekend. Throw it 56 times. Lamar Jackson's really good. Last two games, media falls in love with him.

He has 44 attempts in two games. They're babysitting him. Baker Mayfield's amazing. Last two games combined, 46 attempts. They're babysitting them. Those teams are telling you what they think of Lamar and Baker. They like them. They got talent.

But when those parents leave, they call the nanny. They call a babysitter. They make sure there's eyes on the quarterback. Not Big Ben. That family's going to Europe for, eight days. There's alcohol all over the house, keys of the car, and they're like, we trust you, watch your brother and sister. We're going to France. We'll be back in eight days. When you allow a quarterback in Denver, good defense, two great pass rushers on the road,

throw it 56 times, that is incredible respect by an organization. Coming up next, Rod Woodson. Plus, what are we, what are you, what am I supposed to make of New England this year? Because they're doing the same thing they've done for a decade. It looks the exact same. The numbers are the same. The results are the same. But is the league changed beyond them?

That's coming up. Plus the three-word game, every NFL game in three words. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Hurd to listen live. or on demand whenever you'd like. Hall of Famer, 17 NFL seasons. Steelers, Ravens, Raiders, 49ers, our friend, FS1 NFL analyst Rod Woodson.

You did, I just loved the last four days. College and Pro. You watch any college football, too? Spiratically. Spiratically. The big games. The big ones. You did the Cowboy Washington game for Westwood One.

What are your interpretations of what you saw with Dallas? Well, first, their defense is. is really good. Yeah. A lot better than I thought they could be this year. Those guys are playing really good football. It's, you know, they're getting turnovers or stopping the run. Vanderey, that guy, he could play.

He's a baller. That guy from Boise State, he's a baller. He looks like Brian Erlacker. Remember Brian Erlacker broke in. None of us watched them in college. Right. And we're like, who's this big athletic guy? And that's what Vandreche looks like from Idaho.

They have players all over the place. What do you make of Amari Cooper? What I love about. Coupe, if you go back and look at, you know, what is one team's trash and not saying he's a trash player, but the Oakland Raiders didn't think he fit into their system is another team's treasure. I thought it was a good, I thought it was a good taking that pick, the first round pick for the Dallas Cowboys.

I thought it was a great idea for the Jerry Jones, just for the fact that he can play. And I think we can see that he can play now. The difference is where since Mark Cooper's been with the Dallas Cowboys, they went from Pass yards like 28th to like 15th. Yeah. Past touchdowns went like 29 to like 15. They're not great, but they're... They went from third down like tied 28 to 29 to like 10th.

So everything since he's been there has been a lot better. And what is a little interesting is Dak seems like he's a little bit more comfortable since he's there. And I don't know why because there's this one receiver, but he's a little bit more comfortable throwing to him because he does create space. He does. He separates. He looks like a first round receiver.

He creates space, you know, and then he's throwing the ball to him. That throw he had in the seam where not all three DBs for the Washington Redskins couldn't make a play and the coop just outran everybody. Those type of plays he didn't throw. He didn't throw to guys like that that were covered like that.

He waited for them to be open where now he's believing that he's going to make these plays and then Beasley and Gallup, who's coming to his own, the rookie from Colorado State. They have players, and we know how good Zeke is. So the players are all there, and Dak is just starting to get us playmakers to ball in space, and they're playing really good football. Yeah. So, you know, I've said through the years on Aaron Rogers, I'm not denying his greatness,

but I do sense that he, I mean, his brother calls him out. He's had family members, former players, that he's not easy. And by the way, not all quarterbacks are. I had a guy tell me one time how he long owes jokes about this. He said, you can't have two quarterbacks in the same room. When a quarterback walks in the room, he's got to be the man. He can't have two of them. You get two of them in the same room.

It's a weird vibe. And he owes jokes about that. But there is something about Aaron. I am seeing relationships, turbulent, fissures. It's something, right? Like the longer he's in Green Bay, the worst thing, they're one in nine, last ten on the road. Can't all be everybody else's fault? Well, do you blame Aaron Rogers or do you blame the coaching staff?

When I look at Aaron Rogers, Aaron Rogers is a very confident player. Yes. And sometimes you can't confuse confidence with arrogance. Because when I played in the National Football League, I was very confident. And you can ask my wife, she thought I was very arrogant. And maybe it came across to some people as being arrogant. But I believed in who I was. and I think Aaron's the same way.

Does he have some family issues? Yeah, we all have stories. But when I look at the Green Bay Packers, if it wasn't for Aaron Rogers, they're not going to win. Now, I believe Mike McCarthy has to do more for him, and I don't know if it's Mike McCarthy, because this is a very simple offense, simplistic offense. It's a static offense.

Every player in the league that knows football says the same thing. It's pretty pedestrian for Aaron. They don't move, no motioning. do some speed sweeps and all that stuff, the new trend in the national football league, but very rare. And it's static. It's two by two sets, and let's let him do his thing. Mike McCarthy's the head coach.

And if he thought that changing the offense was better suited to help the football team win games, then he should implement that. I don't think he does. I think he's going to let, and you have to let your individual players bring the own uniqueness into the system that they're in, which I think he's done. but I just believe that the head coach has to do more for the football team to get them to win football games. It can't just be predicated on Aaron Rogers, slinging the rock all over the place.

He has to have four touchdowns, 350 yards, or they're not going to lose. That's unfair to that individual player because this is the ultimate team sport. This is not basketball where you can have one stud and you can win a Super Bowl or win a championship. This is winning Super Bowls. You have to have multiple players at multiple levels to be good. good enough to make plays throughout the game to win games. And Aaron Rogers right now is the only player in Green Bay.

And even though he's not playing to the level that we've seen him play at the past, he's not playing terrible football. No. You know, I call him my bore four. My four favorite quarterbacks in this league, all of the same personality. They're boring. It's Brady. It's Andrew Luck.

It's Russell Wilson. And it's Drew Brees. They're not that quotable. They kind of talk in cliches. One has a neck beard. they're not cool, they're not hip, they're not really fashionable. I call them my bore for. You know,

Cam, stylish and exciting. And Aaron Rogers is kind of cocky in the arm. There's a lot of guys that are exciting. And Baker Mayfield is just chatty, chatty, chatty. I didn't like what Baker did yesterday after the game calling out Hugh Jackson. It's just not, I always say, I like my presidents to be

presidential. That's why the current guy wears me out. I like my quarterbacks to be quarterbackial. I don't like what Baker did yesterday. I don't like what Baker did yesterday. I don't like calling out Hugh Jackson. How's it said with you? I don't like it at all. How hypocritical is this? Think about it. Baker-Mafield

is at Texas Tech. He chooses to leave. Texas Tech to go to where? Oklahoma. Who do they play? They play Texas Tech. You can't say that you, and then Hugh Jackson, what has happened? He didn't choose to leave. They fired him.

And then the Cincinnati Bing was offering them a job. Buddy, Marvin Lewis's buddy. Right. Do you turn them down? So this is what Baker is saying. In 10 years down the road, Baker, when they think that you don't have it anymore and you have to go to another team and let's say the Baltimore Ravens are the only team is going to offer you a contract. Right. You don't take it because it's against another team.

And then your boy should shun you if you do take it. That's crazy. I think two things. It was immature, which he will grow up. but you can't look at the world one-sided. You know, it's funny. Just thinking about this, Rod, you were a stealer than a raven. And at the time, it was the biggest rivalry in football.

And if thinking about me going there and my boys didn't like me anymore, Carnel Lake, Greg Lloyd, they turned their backs on me. We hugged it up before the game. We hugged it up after the game. We talked to each other as soon as the games are over. I mean, it's, you know, life is too short. First of all, it's a game. You can't take it that serious.

I do want to be a competitor. I understand that about Baker, but to throw the shade on Hugh and saying you shouldn't have done it, is just ridiculous. By the way, I got to tell you, I didn't think Lamar Jackson was ready to play, but could I make this argument that he brings a certain energy to the locker room? Michael Vick had a little bit of this. I think Tebow had a little bit of this. there are certain young players that bring a juice or an energy, and they may not be perfect players, but Flacco's not perfect.

Flacco is inaccurate. In a world where everybody's completing 68%, flacko's at 60. I'll just make the argument that Flacco may be better at some stuff than Lamar, but he's not bringing the juice to that locker room like Lamar is. I would stick with Lamar Jackson. I'm right there with you, Colin. I am right there with you.

I believe that the future is now. You know, I go back to quarterbacks. I look at a lot of players across the board. You know, I'm the same thing with Eli. Good things come to an end. I think sooner or later you have to move on. And Joe Flacko got him in the Super Bowl. He played well in that span frame when they won the Super Bowl.

But he hasn't played great after that. No, he's had four bad years. And they moved back up in the first round for a reason. Is Lamar Jackson? Was he inaccurate? Is he inconsistent right now? Throwing the football down the field? Yes.

But the one thing I do love about it is that when everything comes down to it, he finds what's comfortable to him. That's running the football. And Marty Morningwig found out in the second half, hey, you know what? I'm going to give this guy some plays outside of the pocket, let him have that option to run the football, and he did a great job with it.

So I think the future is now. I think Jim Harbaugh maybe he can hold off, not being there anymore, and being on the hot seat by playing this young quarterback. This defense is solid. Get the quarterback that can run the football. And it really becomes like Carolina Panthers. Because when Cam Newton, even though they lost to Seattle,

when Cam Newton is running the football along with McAfree, they're a better football team. They were a better team yesterday. Yeah, Cam actually likes the ball. Like it's like on third and two, give Cam the ball, let him run. And I can see the same thing with Lamar and that running game and this football team finding some youth and some different energy for the football team for the future. Rod Woodson.

So you're doing that Westwood-Wun stuff a lot? I have seven games with them. It's fun, though. Oh, no, no. When you get to go to the stadium and you sit up there in the perch and you can watch the defense, like you watch the Dallas Cowboys, you can really see what you really get to see is the speed of certain players. It is.

In a television game, the safety is not even in the picture when the ball snapped. Yeah. Yeah, when you go to a game and you sit there upstairs and you can see the alignments and how players close and other players. And you get to see great players for the first time. I'm like, I called the 49ers and the New York Giants game. Right. And that was the first time I got to see O'Dell in person.

Now, you know O'Dell. I know O'Dell. We got to talk before the game, but to see him, to see Barclay in person, those guys are the real deal. Oh, no, they're great players. That's why you got about four more years of both in their prime. Saquan's going to take too many hits. It's like pitchers.

You can't pitch him 250 innings. Sequin's going to take too many hits. Give him four more years in his total prime. And O'Dell Beckham is kind of a fragile, smaller player. Got about four more years before the dings add up. You got to get him a quarterback. You got to get him the guy. Listen, you think Eli for what he's done.

Thank you, yeah. Hey, great job. You got us to Super Bowls. We thank you. But we have to find a guy to get this guy to football because even in that game, he beat the snuts out of the corners off the line. but he didn't get the ball thrown to him. Right.

So you need a quarterback that can find your playmakers in space and let them make plays. Good stuff, Rod. Good seeing you. You too. Jamie Myers-you with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Colin, what's going on with Markhill folks in Philadelphia? Well, he's got what they call the yips in golf. The yips, it's awful. I actually feel really bad for the kid. He was the number one overall pick in the draft last year. Now, Philly.com is reportedly saying that the six. are ready to move on from him. He is no longer in their long-term plans.

Yeah, I don't blame him. They've sent him to specialists. They're not finding anything wrong with his shoulder that would prevent him from shooting the ball well. I think it's totally a mental confidence thing. But my question is, what's his trade value? What can you get for this kid at this point? What does he show in other teams in the league that says,

hey, spend some money on me? Trade some good guys for me. Listen, at this point, if you could get a, I mean, I'm serious. If you could get a serviceable player off the bench, that's what you're going to get. It was a number one pick last year. I know, but we have a history. Michael Olo O'Condi was the number one pick. I mean, if you go look in the history of the NBA, there's a lot of bus in your top ten,

and it just, he just doesn't work. I mean, this is just, this is why this is not a science, okay? It's not a science. You're talking about taking, and it used to be a kid played three years of college, so he was emotionally ready. You'd seen if he could take the physical. You had a lot of film on a guy. This kid played his best basketball a year and a half before he left college in some tournament.

You don't have any film on these guys. You don't know how good they are in a big tournament. Washington was like terrible with him. So I had a college coach. I'll tell you a story. I won't tell you who the college coach is. He's a top five coach in college basketball. A college coach told me when Mark L. Fultz got drafted.

He said, we played him. And he said he was great in the first half. And in the second half of a close game, we couldn't. find him on the floor. He goes, he mentally checked out. And I, an NBA team called me and I said, if he's the best player in college basketball, I got a bunch of college kids. He disappeared on the floor. This, we just, if you had had three or four more years of video, I feel bad for these, at least the NFL GMs have tape. You know, if I can watch an Alabama guy for five years, I can see him against Auburn, Georgia. I saw this kid play like against maybe two NBA guys. Maybe.

I don't know how good he is. day, Amari Cooper had that touchdown celebration and mocked his free throw shooting. And then he responded and went on Snapchat and kind of like laughed it up which I guess at that point, what are you going to do? I mean, you may as well kind of, it's just not a good

look. Overall, it is not a good look. It's a bummer. Melvin Gordon. You saw the knee injury yesterday in the third quarter. They were up big. They were up 2810. And he lines up at wide receiver and gets tackled on the play, blasts his knee which he's already had issues with.

What do you think about Anthony Lynn at that point, putting him in that position? Well, Andrew Luck yesterday went out for a pass, and I'm like, that's not great. Get that play out of the playbook and burn it. You know, I'm not going to bang on a coach here because we criticize coaches when they're not out-of-the-box creative. Like, we crush these guys. And then they run a trick play or something kind of peculiar to what we're used to seeing, and we crush the coaches. But then we destroy these guys when it's like power football. So, you know, my takeaway is Anthony Lynn is trying to do something different.

He's trying to put stuff on film. He wants you to have to prepare for everything. This just happens. It's football. Guys get hurt. That was a thing, too, Anthony Lynn said after the game, after the knee injury, that it's a play that they've had for a long time. They've been trying to get it into a game.

Melvin loves the play. Melvin loves the play. So I'm sure he's not loving it today. By the way, this morning it was diagnosed as a grade 2 MCL sprain. He's week to week. Okay, I was going to say that's not he can play still. You know what? They look like they have a playoff. I'd take him out for as long as I could because they can win without and they have great receivers.

So, but if I was them, I would, you're not winning a playoff game. They were playing the Cardinals. They were playing the Arizona Cardinals. Yeah. They've won big. Lastly, let's go back to Odell Beckham Jr. Kind of calling out Pat Shermer's play calling in the Giants lost to the Eagles yesterday because it looked like they were going to win that game. But they just did not show up in the second half. Here's Odell after the game.

coming in, knowing that they struggled in the secondary. Personally, I would have loved to attack them. But it wasn't in our game plan. I don't call the plays. I just do what I'm told to do and go out there and execute. Whenever I get an opportunity to do something, I try and make the most of it. If I don't have there many opportunities,

all I can do is do what I can when I do have an opportunity. So that's more of a question for coach. Yeah, I was more bummed out about Sequin Barkley. I just forgot about him. They forgot about him for sure, but the cornerbacks, Philly's corners, were all banged up. So why would you not take advantage of the weakness and exploit that? And you paid Odell all this money. Use him. Giants played the first half. The Giants looked great.

They really did. And then, you know, Carson Wentz. I don't know. I feel like I'd know more if I was in a locker room. The Giants played two different games yesterday. Totally. The first half and the second half, and I can't figure out why. They're having an identity crisis. It's very frustrating for Giants fans. I know. There's a lot of them here in L.A.

A lot. Jamie with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. By the way, I don't know what to make of New England. So I'm watching New England play yesterday. I don't know what to make of them. So I'm going to read certain things I saw from New England yesterday,

and my gut feeling this is what they are. They beat the Jets. They'll win the AFC East. They ran the ball well yesterday. Gronk had a big play. They have the best coach in the NFL. They have the second few as penalties in the NFL, and they're averaging 28 a game.

That's what they've done in the last seven years and made the AFC championship. They're boring. Everybody now is a tech stock. Everybody now is a Tesla. And they just remain the most durable BMW in the business. I don't know what to make of them. Last six years, they've averaged 28 points a game.

Once again, they're averaging 28 points a game. Last six years, they don't fumble. They don't get penalized. This year, they don't fumble. They don't get penalized. Yesterday they had a big grunk touchdown, ran for 200 yards. It looks like the New England. I've been watching for seven years that gets to the AFC championship.

But the world's changing. And I'm not sure are they keeping up? All I know is I watched that game yesterday. It was the most predictable. You could have taken the last 15 times they played the Jets. They've all looked like that. They've almost all looked like that. But now I'm supposed to believe that if you don't score 40,

you can't win in the playoffs. I don't know what to make of it. I watched him yesterday. I'm like, God, this is New England. Gronk has a big touchdown, very, very efficient, very few penalties, don't turn it over, dominate. You tell me, I don't have an answer. All I know is year after year, we fall for the flashy. They are the least flashy, good offense in the NFL.

Even Chicago's doing crazy stuff. But, man, when I start looking at stuff they do, it's the same team that's won Super Bowl's. Best head coach, no penalties, ran the ball effective. have a buy probably after the Steelers loss at home, and they're averaging once again, like the last six years, 28 points a game. Coming up, it's three words to sum up every game from this past weekend, including the Thanksgiving game. Best for Last, around the corner.

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State and Northwestern go toe-to-toe for the Big Ten title. Coverage begins at 7eastern Friday and Saturday on Fox and the Fox Sports app. I'll take the Huskies and the Buckees. I watched a ton of college football. For the record, Mack Brown's going to take the North Carolina job. 67-year-old Mac Brown

is going to be the new coach at North Carolina where he coached before he took the job. at Texas. So good for Mac Brown. And he's not known as an ex-as-and-O's guy. He's a great builder of staffs. He's going to hire a really good staff. North Carolina is a good job. It's an underrated college football job. A lot of players in that footprint geographically. All right, we do it every week. On Monday, we call it the three-word game. I look back at every NFL game, and I think I can describe each in just three words. So here we go. Cowboys, first place cowboys? Well, I've got to be honest, they're six and five and now have the tiebreaker against Washington.

I will say this, they're the healthiest team in their division. DAC since week six has 13 total touchdowns, eight passing and five rushing. You know, every year in the NFL, there's a team that wins a division that's probably the weakest team. I thought a couple weeks ago it was Chicago. Chicago is better than Dallas. So yes, the Dallas Cowboys are the first place Cowboys. Bears Lions?

I was wrong. I was wrong. Listen, Chase Daniels even completed 73%. This is a really well-coached team with terrific defensive talent. They're eight and three first place. They've won five straight. I whiffed on them. Every year there's a team.

I just don't see it coming. I didn't know who Matt Nagy was. I mean, I knew who he was under Andy Reed, but I didn't know he'd be this good. Tribisky looked incredibly pedestrian under John Fox. But they play with great passion. even their dive plays look sophisticated. They've got playmakers on defense. And, you know, I was wrong.

There's no team in the NFL I was more wrong about in the Chicago Bears. I still don't love them as much as the Saints, as much as the Rams, but they're good, and you can't deny it now. Falcon Saints, Super Bowl bound. Listen, nobody's going into the Superdome and beating this team. We all concentrate on the offense and Drew Brees. Their offensive lines fantastic. Their running game is A-plus. You can't run on them.

And their defensive secondary, they did acquire Eli Apple from the Giants, was a major issue. But they have slowly coached it up. Listen, they've won 10 straight games. Remember how bad they were to start the season? They struggled with the Cleveland Browns at home. They are clicking, and they, to me, look Super Bowl-bound. Raiders, Ravens. Goodbye, Joe Flacco.

Listen, Flacko's not perfect either. If you're going to give me two imperfect quarterbacks, I'd rather take the kid that gives this offense juice, mobility, energy. I know they have to shrink the playbook a little because he hasn't been around. I get that. I understand that. But Flacco's got absolute limitations. One of them being, I don't know, accuracy, at least with Lamar, I feel like he energizes the locker room. I don't see a point in bringing back Joe Flacco.

Patriots Jets, business as usual. Patriots 8 and 3, 3 game leading the AFC East with the Steelers' loss. They'd host a playoff game. Brady's now the all-time leader in passing yards, regular season and post. Listen, they're the exact same offense six years ago, and it keeps getting to the AFC championship. I don't think they can win in Kansas City. I think this Steelers team is too much, but I'll tell you, penalties, they don't do it, fumbles, they don't have them turnovers, not many, well-coached, absolutely.

Big play to Gronk, 200 yards rushing, business as usual. Giant Steelers, still love Wince. Listen, Carson Wince is magical. This is still a great owner, a great GM, a great quarterback, and a really good head coach. Carson Wins yesterday came back from a 16-point deficit. is not a good year. They walked into this league on crutches, and frankly, they haven't played as inspired. They just don't have enough dynamic guys. That's why they acquired Golden Tate on the outside, but I still love Wentz now and for a long time. Steelers Broncos, one bad throw. Big Ben

41 of 56, 73 percent, 462 yards. He had a running back fumble near the red zone. He had a tight end fumble in the end zone. They should have won this football game. Listen, they look around their division, and they look at Lamar Jackson starting right now for, you know, Baltimore. Cincinnati's a train wreck. And then, you know, Cleveland's a nice fun story, but they're Cleveland. And I think Pittsburgh is a veteran team that is hard to motivate and sometimes mails it in. Brown's Bengals, Bengals, Baker got better. Listen, let's look at the numbers for Baker Mayfield with Hugh Jackson and without him. He's better without him.

I didn't like what he said after the game, and I don't like a lot of his personality nonsense, but for a rookie quarterback to get significantly better when his veteran offensive coach leaves, it's impressive. He's an accurate thrower of the football. And right now of all the rookie quarterbacks, and I expected him to be better early. He's two years older, had double the college starts,

and the Browns have actual talent, really good running back. but it's impressive. Seahawks Panthers, Pete's greatest feat. I've got to tell you something. Right now, the NFC wildcards are Seattle, Washington, and Minnesota, and I'll take Russell, Wilson, and Pete Carroll. They've done a really good job here.

I've said about Pete Carroll. I think some of his kumbaya, heavy emotion, loud locker room stuff, wears Sten overtime. Pete's done a great job with this team. They are now an incredibly physical, dominate the point-of-attack running team with the ability with Lockett and Doug Baldwin to beat you over the top.

Bobby Wagner's, they're one star, but they lost Michael Bennett, they lost Richard Sherman, they lost Earl Thomas, they lost Cam Chancellor, and this defense is playing really, really well. I've got to tell you, Matt Nagy would be my coach of the year. I think Pete Carroll would be my runner-up. Jaguar Bills, Saxonville, becomes Haxonville. Today they fired their offensive courts.

Today they demoted Blake Bortles. Cody Kessler will get the start. You know my rule in life. Any team, any business, any person that gives themselves a nickname will come crashing down. Saxonville, the minute they had marginal success has become Haxonville. How about cards chargers? 25 for 25. Philip Rivers completed 96.6% of his throws.

It's an NFL record, minimum 20 attempts. this is quietly the most dangerous team in the league. Because they didn't beat New England through the years or Kansas City they struggle with, nobody takes them seriously. But man, they can do a lot offensively. I think they have the best receiving core in football. And they got three guys who can beat you deep, can all catch. Their offensive line solid.

And they've kind of fixed the one big problem last year, which was their run defense up the middle. Buccaneers, 49ers. Yeah, I didn't watch. In case anybody cares, bucks won, 27 to 9. I'm told I didn't see one play. I didn't even see a highlight I didn't watch. Dolphins Colts, luck to Ebron.

Eric Ebron is having himself a year. He was a first round pick. He went to Detroit. He kind of just didn't do anything. Oh my Lord, he is the Pro Bowl tied-in in the league right now. And the chemistry with him and Andrew Luck is remarkable. He now has 11 receiving touchdowns tied for the most in the league with Tyreek Hill and Antonio Brown. The Colts don't have really a number two receiver, so he is really valuable.

This team's very tight-end centric. I think this team is limited. I don't think they're good enough to beat top teams on the road, maybe even at home. but they've won five straight and Ebron is having an incredible like gronk in his prime year. Packers Vikings can't beat Cousins. You know Eric, Aaron Rogers career against Kirk Cousins, 02 and 1? Kirk Cousins is actually, now Kirk Cousins has better receivers, but isn't that kind of a thing? I have to stop.

Now, I'm being labeled as anti-Aren Rogers. I don't want to be labeled anti-Aren Rogers. Finally tonight, Titans against Texans Monday Night Football. Not Chiefs Rams. Chiefs Rams, 104 points. This is mostly going to be about defense and Deshawn Watson. I love Deshawn Watson. DeShon Watson's the quarterback I would have taken first, not Trubisky in this draft.

But Bill O'Brien, got to give the coach credit. is Deshawn at this point in his career. He's given him about 23 throws a game. Have him run, make plays. Don't put 38 throws on the table. Don't do a big bend in 56 throws. Let's keep it where he's comfortable. And Deshaun has been terrific.

They're going to win their division. They've got a couple of playmakers on the outside. And the defense, though not playing as good as their names, still has tremendous talent. word game. Looking for the perfect holiday gift on tuckett.com code heard on tuckett.com code herd H-E-R-D for

25% off. Speaking of Indianapolis, you know, I call them my bore for that I'm not a big fan. I'm boring. So my favorite quarterbacks over the last several years in the NFL. And by the way, you like these guys too,

but I love these guys. Andrew Luck, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, and Drew Breeze. Andrew Luck had a play yesterday that this was a very interesting game. I'm not going to bang on coaches for play calling, but Miami gave this game. It was fascinating. Miami gave this game to Indy. So Miami had the ball with like two and a half minutes left, three minutes left. Adam Gaze Tannahill. Tanyhill had a pretty decent game. They were running the football. They got into a third down situation and they just handed it off deep in their own territory, basically meaning we're punting. Well, you were going to

punt the ball prior to about the 40-yard line and Andrew Luck and the offense was rolling where the Colts got the ball. They only needed 23 yards to be an Adam Ventatory field goal range. I like Adam Gase. I really do. I think Miami's got themselves a good coach. I don't know if he's great. He's good. I did not get that coaching at all by the dolphins yesterday. So Andrew Luck gets the ball. Cameron Wake in Miami, it had a pretty decent pass rush. They'd gotten to Andrew Luck finally, hadn't been sacked in a month, and then Andrew Luck pulls off his best play of the year. Third and nine. Luck Ducks the pass rush

Throwing deep He has a man Open in his Rogers Well his athleticism pays off again Big Strong Can't knock him down

Gets his eyes downfield and makes the big play Well that was great stuff You know My MVP's right now are Drew Breeze 1 Andrew Luck 2 And who cares 3

Most people Trent Dilfer came on earlier today. He said you've got to put Philip Rivers in there. I would put Patrick O'Holmes probably now after Big Ben yesterday, third. But I just think there's two guys in this league that, I mean, Andrew Luckes had three plus

touchdown passes in eight straight games. Michael Vick told me yesterday, he did that seven times on his whole career. Eight, and he doesn't have a number two receiver. Colts need a pass rusher next year in the draft and they need a number two wide receiver badly. Jamie, thank you for filling in today.

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