The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Aaron Rodgers, OBJ, Sam Darnold, and starting QBs

Episode Date: August 30, 2018

Filling in for Colin, Doug Gottlieb talks about Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers' new contract, the New York Giants giving WR Odell Beckham Jr. what he wants, the New York Jets starting QB Sam Darnold, and the 10 worst starting QBs in the NFL. Guests include Mark Schlereth, Rob Ryan, and Tyron Woodley. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on the IHart Radio app by searching Hurd. Now let's get to You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. What up? Welcome in. This is The Herd, wherever you may be listening. However, you may be making us part of your day. Thanks so much for joining us. Collins off today. I'm in. Fortunately to be work with the talented Joy Taylor. Joy, how are you? Good morning, Doug. I love the sweater. I like the look. Thanks. Very clean. Very classy. I'm fired up. Everybody with the kids are back in school. My kids are not back in school. Oh, they aren't?

One is two more after we go after Labor Day. So we got a little bit Indian summer down in Orange County. Pretty excited about it. Been hitting the waves quite heavily. Anyway, look, football season is back by all matter on FS1 tonight. And we'll give you a couple of ideas of things you need as a husband or even as a wife. You need to prepare for this weekend and really prepare for next weekend knowing that football season is back. There are just moments to which you're like, listen, there are other things going on the world,

but you can't lock in because football is being played in your television set. Welcome in. A lot of stuff to get to. Well, let's start with the news of yesterday, which we continue to react to today. No, Aaron Donald is not signed yet. No, Khalil Mack is not signed or in Raiders camp yet or traded yet. Still yet to be seen. What has happened is Aaron Rogers, inked, the largest deal in the history of the Nash Football League.

and over the next year or so he's going to get $80 million in cash, 80 million front-loaded in terms of money, signing bonus, guaranteed value is through the roof. I've told Colin, I've told Joy, I've told anybody who's listening to where I'm sitting in this seat or on the couch that I believe Aaron Rogers is the best throwover football, the best quarterback I've ever seen play the position. And why I would, I'll completely understand that if you have your

guy. If you're a Montana guy and you want to go back to the 80s and early 90s, or if you're Tom, look, Tom Brady and the ability to consistently, not just win the division, get deep in the playoffs, get to a Super Bowl, have Super Bowl wins, even have the greatest comeback in the history of the Super Bowl. If you were a Brady guy, that's fine. You can be a Brady guy. Brady has more rings. Brady has more accomplishments. I did not say, semantics do matter in this seat. I did not say that Brady is, that Aaron Rogers is the most accomplished quarterback in the history of the game. I think he's the best. And I think he's the best for the 21st and 22nd century. In terms of 2018, you have to be mobile. You have to be mobile within the pocket and occasionally

manipulate the pocket, extend the pocket, and then you have to extend drives with your legs outside the pocket, all the while trying to avoid taking on the big hit. and I understand you're like, look, he just broke his collarbone. Yes, but those are things that happen within the pocket. It's not like he's a Cam Newton trying to run over dudes, or he's, you know, Mike Vic trying to run around guys. He does scramble occasionally for a first down, but that's what he can do behind the line of scrimmage.

We have not seen done in such a complete form yet in the NFL. It's not Steve Young, yet he does have some of Steve Young's capability. What's interesting, though, about this paycheck is that you will hear people say on this network, on other networks, well, you know, now he's got to win another Super Bowl. Because winning two Super Bowl somehow puts you in a different class, in a different category. And look, it's a decent conversation, but it's a trap that we fall into all the time. Did Dan Marino really need to win a Super Bowl to prove to you that he was awesome? anybody who watched him, anybody who watched those teams that had no defense and no running game.

He played for two of the all-time greatest coaches in the history of the league. He got to one Super Bowl and lost to the Niners in Santa Clara. One time. Didn't need one. And if the knock against him was, well, look, Dan Marino only got to the big game once. Aaron Rodgers only got in there once, and he's won. The question is, can he come through in the clutch? Didn't he do it in Dallas a couple years ago?

Heck, even in the wildcard game against the Arizona Cardinals, the year before they won the Super Bowl, a game they lost. I mean, the perfect embodiment of Aaron Rogers' career is he was incredible, 21 fourth quarter points, 21. And yet he was outshown in that game by Kurt Warner 29 of 33. Yeah, Kurt Warner's numbers were sick. In other words, he had no defense. He can't play both sides of the football.

If you want to tell me, hey, Peyton Manor's, Manning won two Super Bowls and Aaron Rogers has only been to one. Okay. Peyton Manning didn't play great in the Super Bowl they won. And the Super Bowl they lost, he didn't play particularly well. And the Super Bowl that he won in his last game as a pro football player, they were better off with the Waterboy offense than they would have been having Peyton Manning throw a football. He couldn't.

That was a year in which Peyton Manning was benched for Brock Osweiler. That happened. That happened. He had nine touchdowns, 17-19. perceptions, and he was benched for Brock Osweiler. And in the playoffs, they said, you know, we'll take Peyton's head ahead of Brock Osweiler's arm, and they gambled and they won because they had an incredibly dynamic defense with remarkable special teams, quality kicking, and a brain, although not an arm, of Peyton Manning. You want to go Ben Rothesberger's one,

too? That's fair. It should be noted that Ben Rothensberg's first Super Bowl, he had the lowest pass rating in the history of the Super Bowl for a winning quarterback. How low was it? 25. 25. The previous low was John Elway's first Super Bowl, which was in the 50s. So it was less than half that of the previous all-time low. Matter of fact, if you go back to that Detroit Super Bowl where Ben Rothesberger won the Super Bowl, the best pass for the Pittsburgh Steelers was thrown by a wide receiver, Antoine Randwell. So the idea that Aaron and Rogers, who we all think is great. And we know in watching him, he has incredible arm strength.

He's obviously had the ability to make these Hail Mary throws. He's led comebacks. He's shown toughness. He's done it without a running game. Heck, his running back the past year was a wide receiver. He's done so in bad weather. He's done so following the lengthy and wide shadow of Brett Farr, who preceded him in Green Bay.

He's done all of these things. And yet somehow, to cement him, as one of the all-time greats in some people's minds, he's got to do it again. Why? Has he won on the road in the playoffs? Sure. Has he led great comeback? Sure. Has he shown the ability to fight through injury? Yes. Matter of fact, in Seattle a couple years ago, remember the Super Bowl that Seattle feels like they rightfully should have won because they didn't hand the ball to Marshawn Lynch?

Seattle fans have forgotten that they should have lost the game to the Green Bay Packers in which he was playing on one leg with a torn calf. He's played hurt. He's played in in bad weather. He's played from behind. He's played without a good defense. He's played without a running game. And yet he still found a way to have the best pass to interception ratio in the history of the national football. Period. He doesn't turn it over. He extends the play. He extends drives. He has incredible arm strength and accuracy. He's the best back shoulder thrower throwing guys open that we've ever seen. And so if to you, you'll want to see him win one more,

I like to see him win one more. Look, I'd like to see him play Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. I want the Super Bowl to give us what the NBA didn't. We never got Kobe versus LeBron. Didn't get it. And I know that Brady doesn't play against, didn't play against Manning when Brady played against Manning. And I understand that Brady won't play against Rogers technically.

But don't you want to see it? Don't you? Right? Look, Tom Brady has shown also the ability to be clutch, but he's not as athletic as Aaron Rogers. And though you have to credit him for the Super Bowl wins, part of the reason they lost those two Super Bowl's to the New York Giants was it was the one time they made him,

the two times they made him move. Force him off his spot. If you can get him off his spot, he is a completely different quarterback. I'm not going to sit here and tell you I'm some football guru that I play in the National Football League or that I've broken down film after film after film. But I've watched enough to know that the kryptonite to Tom Brady's super armor is making him move off the spot.

And the New York Giants were able to do that with their NASCAR pass rush two times over. It's one of the reasons that the Ravens had success against him in the playoffs. They had a prodigious pass rush. Aaron Rogers, though comfortable or as comfortable in the pocket, has the ability to do things outside of the pocket or move the pocket or manipulate the pocket that Tom Brady just. doesn't. And oh yeah, by the way, there isn't anyone who's going to sit there and point to the Green Bay Packers coaching staff and put it in the same realm as what you have working with Bill Belichick and his crew in New England. No one does. A better organization with better coaching staff with a weaker division or and in many instances a weaker conference. And Brady in many ways

has been fortunate. Whereas Aaron Rogers at times has been unfortunate. Injuries. Heck, look, even bad luck in playing in Seattle. But this idea that in order to live up to this contract, in order to live up to the expectations of people like myself saying, he's the best I ever seen play the quarterback position. And there have been far more credible minds in football say the exact same thing, that he's got to win a second one. Does he? I mean, even getting to a Super Bowl.

I grew up a Charger fan. Stan Humphreys went to a Super Bowl. Does that somehow elevate him above so many other quarterbacks that never got there? Chris Chandler got to a Super Bowl with the Atlanta Falcons. That, by the way, was when the Atlanta Falcons

went to Super Bowl. Like, Christiana, how do I know that name? Jake Delome. Remember Jake Delome, six interception? Jake Delome? Yes. Jake Delome led the Carolina Panthers to a Super Bowl. I'm not trying to diminish what the biggest sporting event in the United States is or means.

But there's a lot of other factors that get into whether or not you get to, let alone win a Super Bowl. Whereas what you do in the regular season, what you do in the playoffs, what you do in times of strife, are you able to play hurt, are you able to play from behind, are you able to lead, are you able to play through injury? Have you made miraculous comebacks, incredible throws, consistently not turn the football over, which, by the way, puts your team in the best position to win. Ask anybody who watches sports. The number one thing, which gives you a chance to win a game, is not turning the football over. And no one's done it better in the history of the sport throwing a football than Aaron Rogers. It's not just the plays he makes, the great plays he makes.

It's the bad plays he doesn't make. So to you, if you want to see him get to a second one, I do too. But if you think a second one or a third one are the only things that keep him from somehow being anointed as the greatest ever, I gave you Peyton's last Super Bowl win to which he had very little, carried very little responsibility in it. Ben Rothesberger's Super Bowl. Heck, even Eli Manning who has two Super Bowl wins. You realize in the last decade,

the New York Giants have four playoff wins all in one season? That's it. I was listening. My radio show follows this one, Joy, 12 to 3 Pacific Coast Time, 3 to 6 Eastern Time on Fox Sports Radio. We did a show from Chargers Camp. And part of what made me think of this is something Philip Rivers told us about Tom Brady, about plays that are made and how it changes the narrative.

Take a listen. Well, I laugh. I laugh about the way we've judged some things. Tom Brady, the year when Seahawks didn't run it down there and they threw the interception. Seahawks shouldn't even in there because the Packers. And so the Patriots won. And I do think Tom's arguably the best to ever play. But when they intercepted the ball, everybody said,

Tom Brady, you know, he won his fifth or whatever. is now the greatest quarterback to ever play. But if Seattle would have scored, he wouldn't have been. He was on the sideline. He played the same game. You know, it just kills me sometimes. I think that I mean, I laugh at it because I go, no, he still is one of the all-time greatest, not whether or not the guy made it play or not on defense. And there's Philip Rivers, a guy who hasn't been to a Super Bowl, only been to an

AFC championship game once. But if I go through the names of the Chris Chandler's, the Jake DeLomes, the, even the Brad Johnsons and Trent Dilfers that won A Supal, would you rather have Philip Rivers? or would you rather have those guys? The saying argument is true in measuring up Aaron Rogers with even the most accomplished of modern football, post-Nin-Niners Joe Montana football in Tom Brady. All right, we got a lot of football to get to.

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confident car buying experience. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the herd. Joy Taylor will be with us in a moment with the news. New York Jets made a trade and an announcement all yesterday, all wrapped in one. Teddy Bridgewater is gone. The former Minnesota Vikings

starting quarterback who had a terrible knee injury has reinvigorated his career and played well enough in the preseason, become the talk of the league in terms of what would his value be and could the Jets find a home form as Sam Donald has lived up to and in many people's estimation exceeded the expectations in New York for what the USC quarterback could become in year one. So in one fail swoop, Teddy Bridgewater sent for a third round pick to the New Orleans Saints

and Sam Bradford is named as the starting quarterback. What did you think was going to happen? Right? It's New York. It's the Jets. They're starred for attention. and they made the right pick. And, oh, yeah, by the way, they move mountains.

In it of itself, like if you look at the actual move, it was a terrible trade to get into the third slot, move three second round picks and trade first round picks to move up to potentially not get the guy you wanted, right? If you're going to move up that much, make sure you get the guy you wanted. But they're fortunate that Cleveland went with Baker Mayfield and that the Giants chose for the now.

Sequin Barclay and keep Eli Manning instead of drafting for the future. So they get a little fortunate and get Sam Donald. And Donald, as colonists told you, as I told you, and both of us are also echoing people we talk to within the NFL. He was the best prospect of any of the quarterbacks. Best prospect. They're going to start him, which is one of those. They almost felt like they had to. Perception-wise, they had to.

not just with the trade but also in the battle for New York. Here's something interesting in the battle for New York. Here's what I want you to do. I'm going to show you a graphic in a second, but let's not cut to it just yet. If I had you close your eyes and say, and if you're driving, don't close your eyes. That would be bad. But if I had you just kind of daydream for a second and imagine, giants and jets last 10 years, last 10 years. Okay.

Who's the better franchise? And I would say 10 people in 10, 100 people in 100. Even a Jets fan, the most ardent Jets fan would be like, well, that ain't close. The Giants are better than the Jets, right? Of course, they won a Super Bowl. They did win a Super Bowl. Those are the only playoff games they've won in the last decade. Matter of fact, they have a better record, 81 and 79.

Let's put the graphic up now. 81 and 79 to 75 and 85, which looks, look, you're 10 games below 500. if you're the Jets, the Giants are two games above 500. Truth is, over the last 10 years, there's six games better. That's less than a game better per year. The Giants have one more playoff appearance. They have the same number of playoff wins. Look, here's a stronger argument for how good the Jets were.

Mark Sanchez was their quarterback, and they went to two AFC championship games. That did happen. But Fumble was their quarterback, and I like Mark. But we would not list, he will not, there will never be arguments or debilments. on any of our shows, should Mark Sanchez be in the Hall of Fame? Where you will have those debates as to Eli Manning. The Jets are not as bad as perceived, but perception becomes reality and the need for the second team in the biggest city in the country to make a mark, you start your young guy. Three games in 10 days is a lot.

But I feel like the Jets jump the gun twice here. Right. They jump the gun in trading Teddy Bridgewater. A third round pick is good value. His value should have been fourth or fifth round pick. Third round pick is good value. But if you wait a couple weeks and somebody important goes down, couldn't you have gotten a second or maybe even stolen a first round pick for a Teddy Bridgewater?

Maybe. Maybe. The same is true with Donald. You can start him right away, just like you could trade Teddy Bridgewater right away. But couldn't you have waited? He's playing behind what many people. consider the worst offensive line in the sport with the worst tight end group in the sport with an average at best running back group average at best wide receiving group

average at best offensive coaching staff you run the risk i know it's i don't believe it's going to be another david car of him being battered and bruised in just one year as a starting court and once you start him you can't bench him but this is what the jets do when they're striving for attention in the nation's biggest city they trade teddy bridgewater a couple weeks too early, and they start Sam Bradford a game or two too early. Let's get to Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So Jalen Ramsey, he's out here again. He threw shade at most of the current NFL quarterback just a few weeks ago, and now he's turned his attention to Rob Grancowski. He did an interview with Mina Kimes of ESPN, and he said, I don't think Gronk's good.

Let me say, I don't think Gronk is as great as people think he is. Anytime Gronk has been matched up with a corner, he's had a very bad game, and that corner has had a very good game. Now, I don't have the statistics in front of me to find out if this is just a gut data fact that Ramsey's throwing out there, but the Patriots play the Jags in week two, and Gromk is not a small person. So I love this out of Jalen Ramsey, though. I think Jalen Ramsey is incredibly interesting, and I love that he sells the fight, if you will. He's already started this with Odell in week one, talking about he's the best receiver,

Jaylor Ramsey's the best corner, Batman versus the Joker, and now he's doing it with Gronk. Actually, I hope he does this before every single game this year, just picks someone and calls them out. This is kind of what sports is originally kind of formed upon, right? Which is the, I'm better than you. And if you don't believe me, like, let's go play. Right, just competition. But everybody doesn't like this because they don't like, they feel like it's like trash talk or disrespectful. I mean, I just think Jaylor Ramsey is great, so he can go out there and back it up.

But saying that Gronk is not good is obviously an exact. I mean, it's like literally selling a boxing match. Like, you're just terrible. Grom is not terrible. Gronk is a Hall of Famer. He's one of the most dominant players that we've seen in NFL history. He's basically unstoppable and he's healthy. So the idea that he's not good is, I mean, it's laughable, but it's fun because it's

Gronk and Ramsey. And if something dramatic happens, it's just going to make it all the more interesting. Now, look, he also, he tried to make sure he put it. accurately, like, look, he's like when he matches up with a cornerback, because oftentimes if it's a linebacker, he can't run with them, if it's a safety, he's too small. Right. And look, and so Jalen Ramsey, we'll see if he gets a chance to match on him. We'll see if that actually happens against New England because no one respects the wide

receiving court, New England's throwing out there. Right. But I also think that what Jalen Ramsey is doing is trying to benefit himself off the football field. Richard Sherman was the last guy to do it. Richard Sherman's doing ads, getting out from behind the shield. and doing his own advertisements. No, if you're great.

If you can back it up, it works. Especially at that position. You've got to walk it like he'd talk it, and he's been running his mouth all season long. We'll see here in the first couple weeks of the season. Yeah, I love it. So Walt Clyde Frazier is one of the best to ever play the game of basketball, the next one, two titles during his career there.

Same number that Durant has won. But now Frazier says Durant's rings will always be followed by an asterisk. Let's take listen. Durant, I mean, as great a player, he is, I would still hold back because, man, he joined a team that really didn't need him. You know what I mean? I mean, he's right there with LeBron, probably with Sebastian Bronner, the best player in the game soon.

But for him doing that, I still don't give him the full credit that he probably would have deserved if he stayed with OKC and won a title with that team. He's going to be down the list for me because of that, you know, because there will be an astridge by his name. Look, I know the old school guys They hate this moving around and playing with everybody thing But it's just a different era now Like it's like the same argument that we give when we compare

Michael to LeBron I'm a I'm a MJ person myself But I can't deny the greatness that LeBron James is And his consistency and longevity and everything else But it's two different eras like you can't It's people that say Dr. J is the greatest Like you keep this is a different time You're right

but let me kind of backtrack to the argument that Clyde Fraser had. He's wrong. Golden State did need him. Like we keep saying like, well, they won 73 games. They won 73 games. Yeah, and they lost. They lost. Harrison Barnes was a free agent.

And they lost. They got better. They needed him as much as he needed them. The league was going to catch up to them. Look, we don't talk about how many regular season wins Toronto had last year. They had the most in the league. Or Boston had the most in the east. before. Like all of a sudden that's, yes, they won a championship. That was the year before.

Next year they won 73. They should have lost to the thunder. So they won a regular season championship. Exactly. Like the warriors were really, really good. But the warriors weren't the greatest team of all time because they had 73 wins. They just weren't. So the idea that they didn't need him, they needed to continue to evolve. The rockets have almost caught up to the warriors. People are going to, you don't have to, hey, listen, we're good. Let's let everybody else catch up. They need. They need to, needed him as much as he needed them.

I've said this before on this show. It reminds me of, remember the pretty woman, the end scene of pretty woman, when, who is that? Richard Gear says, what happened after he rescued her? And she said she rescued him right back. Right. Golden State rescued Kevin Durant from Oklahoma City and playing alongside Russ. That seemed to be a relationship that was going to be fractured at some point. Also, I think playing with Andre Robertson, four on five, maybe three on five on offense with Stephen Adams.

I think that was a soon-to-be fractured relationship. They rescued him, but he rescued them right back because if they would have overpaid Harrison Barnes, I don't think they win either the last two titles. No matter how good Steph Curry is, no matter how good Clay Thompson is. Yeah, well, people hate that because OKC lost the Golden State,

so they feel like he kind of joined up with the people that beat him. But it's just a different time. It doesn't negate the rings. And 30 years from now, we're not going to be like, well, remember that time he had a problem with Westbrook and then he went to Golden State and blah. No, we're just going to talk about how many rings he has and how incredible a player he was.

Pretty Woman's very romantic. Just a good point. Joy's going to talk like that 30 years from there. Finally, Ennis Cantor is open. He admitted he is not a fan of the Warriors or Superteams. Speaking of that, and now he claims they have ruined the league. So him and Walt Frazier, they're buddies on this. He told ESPN, I've got no problem.

They didn't do anything illegal. Now, I feel like they've kind of ruined the league a little bit, East and West. If you look at the East, East is like AAU teams, and the West is like the League. I think I just completely disagree with him. I think it's the opposite. Like the West is the AAU mentality where we're just going to go play with the best players.

He meant the East is like the JV, AAU basketball, and the West is the league like the NBA. He meant JV and varsity. Does he know that he plays in the East? Yes. Apparently he's forgotten. Here's the thing about the super teams and the joining up. Like, look, LeBron formed a super team in Miami. I hate to be that guy to point out that he got Chris Bosch, who was an All-Star.

and he was the best player in the league and he joined Dwayne Wade who had been a finals MVP. They formed a super team. The Celtics formed a super team before when they got Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen And that was before he went to Miami. Look, I think it's just Kevin Durant got everyone upset.

It's really Katie's fault. It's not Katie's fault. I don't blame him at all. I'm not saying I wouldn't do the exact same thing. But Katie kind of, I think, pushed everybody over the edge because of everything we just talked about. Him joining Golden State and everyone already being so upset with Golden State and the Splash Brothers,

and they have this kind of, you know, feeling of they're just, it's this weird and tight, the Hamptons thing, you know. So I think that's really what pushed everybody over the edge. But I just, I don't know. I see what he's saying, but I think the A, the actual AAU mentality of playing with each other is all in the West. Chbby pointed out, Ennis Cantor didn't play A.U. basketball here.

Yes. And he also didn't play high school basketball. So he doesn't know they should have said JV and varsity. That's Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. Football seasons here, which means more stink.

Not just me, I do, in fact, stink. It's Mark Schlereth, three-time Super Bowl champion, Fox Sports NFL analyst, two-time pro-bowler, super-housam, has his own radio show, Shlareth and Evans, on the fan in Denver. Stink, let's... First, I've got to say, I agree with you. I love super teams. Because you either love them or you hate them, but they're great. Like, I love Golden's...

I love the fact KD went to Golden State. Makes me want to watch them. It does. Either you're rooting for them or you're rooting against him. There's no middle ground there. I was talking with a future NBA Hall of Famer, and he said to me, like, look, KD went there because he wanted what he thought was a fair shot at LeBron.

And the last two NBA finals, he's gotten a fair shot at LeBron, and by my estimation, he'd been the better player in the second half in the most important. Now, you might have thought that last year wasn't a fair fight because he didn't had Kyrie, but the year before, you know, he's got Kyrie, he's got Kevin Love, and they faced off, and that's what Kevin Durant wanted to show how great he was, and he showed the world how great he was in tough pressure-filled situations. I've got no problem. Nobody cares if you're mediocre.

Like, oh, they're a nice team. They're adorable. That's great. No, you're either great or, you know, I mean, we either love you or we hate you. Nobody cares about the adorable teams. Aaron Rogers, highest paid quarterback, highest paid player in the history of the league. Your reaction. Good for him.

He could have gotten more. everybody says, oh, he should have taken less. Okay, I should have taken less. Great point. Like, come on, stop it. Well, Tom Brady, okay, when Mike McCarthy morphs in to Bill Belichick and his coaching staff, and you guarantee me we're going to world championships every single season, then, yeah, I'm in.

He could have got $37 million. I mean, it doesn't matter what you pay the guy. He's worth every penny. But if I make the argument, Tim Duncan, Kevin Durant, Tom Brady, took less than they could have on some level and they have 12 combined rings does this come back to haunt Aaron Rogers because his argument should be like, hey,

I haven't had a good enough team around me to show how great I am and yet taking more money doesn't that limit how many other guys eventually they can put around him? You know what? That's the team's responsibility. That's the organization's responsibility. Draft well, develop well,

and put great players around Aaron Rogers. Like that's, to me, that's their responsibility. ability. Develop those guys. Aaron is the best thrower of the football that I have ever watched. Best off-platform thrower of the football that I've ever watched. And, you know,

he makes up for a multitude of sins, man. He covers warts. He's a great... We all know how great he is, but I don't think it's his responsibility to take less than Kirk Cousins. I don't think it's his responsibility to do that for his organization. Okay, how about this? There are some that believe, many that believe, that he's got to win

another Super Bowl to be put on that pedestal, on that... Sure. Manning, L.A., Brady, Montana. Right, right, right. The pedestal. Yeah. You agree? Yeah.

If you want to talk about your world championships and all those things, yeah, I mean, Marino is, he's still one of the greatest I've ever watched play. Jim Kelly is still one of the greatest I've ever watched play. They're not in the conversation when it's the greatest of all time because they just don't have enough Super Bowl hardware. They don't have enough wins. But having one and considering the consistency, by which he's won. As you know, like, turning the football over is the easiest way to lose a football game. And he has the greatest pass to interception ratio in the history of the league.

Like, I started the show thinking, like, listen, I get for people that they think he's got to win a second one. But look, you're the reason that John L.A. helicoptered, right, during the first Super Bowl. That's a great point. So I single-handedly won Super Bowl 32. Correct. But Elway wasn't good. And they finally won a Super Bowl, he actually wasn't peak Elway. When he was peak Elway, it was when he took average teams and took them to a super when they got blown out. So in reality,

as a former great football player who won, was part of three Super Bowl winning teams, does he actually have to win another one for football people, not us, football people to view him on that level? No. For football people, you will say, you ask any football guy, and they'll tell you, oh yeah, Aaron Rogers is the best

quarterback in the league. Well, Tom Brady is the greatest fall time. Yeah, because you start putting championships together and all those things. even if he wins another championship. Brady's been the Super Bowl eight times. He's won five of them, you know? I mean, you're not getting in that conversation. It's like the guy that argues that Joe Montana is the best that's ever played

because he's four and oh in Super Bowls. Isn't it better to get there eight times than four times? Like, isn't it better to win five than four? I mean, I don't understand that argument. So you're never going to win that argument. I love how we like to write the legacy of a guy before he's done retired. Like Aaron Rogers is 34 years old. His legacy is this.

He's like, no, he's still got a long time to play. but I just don't know that you'll ever get into that. You know, are you going to go to the next six straight Super Bowls in a row? No, you're not. Also, people forget, Brady went a decade without winning a Super Bowl, right? Went a decade without winning a Super Bowl. And I don't think he got worse over that decade. He probably got better over that decade.

All right, I want you to hang on because I want to ask you, well, I want you to tell you that helicopter story. But I want to ask you about Sam Donald, who's been named the starter for the New York Jets, good move or bad move. We'll get to that upcoming next. Doug Gottliebint for calling. This is The HARD, along with Joy Taylor.

We're going to continue to be joined by three-time Super Bowl champion, all-around good guy and NFL on Fox analyst Mark Schlerth, who you will hear on the call on Fox of Seattle versus Denver, week one of the season, of course, Mark won two Super Bowls as a lineman with the Denver Broncos, one with the Washington Redskins. I want to ask you about that story because you take credit for John Elway's first Super Bowl win when he helicoptered into the Inzer. Sure, sure.

That was John Elway who helicoptered in the inside. Well, a 17-17 ball game that Denver Broncos driving down the football field, right? Get down to a third and six from about the 12-yard line. So Elway, here's what you got to know. Elway walks in the huddle calls a play. It's something like, you know, double-wing, right, wide left, two jet, all goes Z-shallel cross or some crap like that, right?

So we get ready. Blue 80, blue 80, he said hot, right? He drops back to pass, boom, pushes to the right, scrambles out there, jumps over to the line of scrimmage. You see it gets hit by a foot. three packer defenders does the helicopter referee's like first down you know and we're rolling over there

like oh my god this guy's giving it up he's 37 at the time right he's giving it up for us there's no way we can lose this game and I'm picking them up you know we're coming back to the huddle and at that point I kind of flush and I'm like oh my god I just single-handedly won the Super Bowl because if I don't miss my block he's never flushed out of the block he was like always having a horrible game

like look at his passer rating it was all we kick a field goal we probably lose by four right yeah so yeah there's a single-hand Number four on the other side line is pretty good. Yeah, single-handedly won that game. So I feel pretty good about my career. Awesome. They forgot to hand you the MVP trophy on that one.

But listen, maybe it'll come back around to you. Yeah. I want to ask you about Sam Donald starting with the New York Jets. Jets choose to trade. Tate Bridgewater yesterday. Get a third-round pick from New Orleans in return. So Donald is the guy. They name him the guy, and he's playing behind a makeshift offensive line.

Good idea, bad idea. Well, I think it's a good idea. They understand what they have in Donald. and they understand not only does he get it, does he have football acumen? You know, he's a blue-collar guy, hardworking guy, unbelievable release, but he's gotten to the point where he's, you know, he's ready to enter the fray. Like there's a lot of guys that get to this point and you're like, he's not ready yet? Well, he's ready.

From a maturity standpoint, he's earned the respect to the veteran players. They all like him. He's worked exceptionally hard. He's got great pocket awareness, great pocket awareness, great pocket presence. I mean, gets the ball out of his hand. Will he have some growing pains? Of course he's a young player.

But they're like, he's entry-ready level, or entry-level ready to go. Like, let's let him go. Look, I love him too. And look, I know people forget the David Carr situation, right? David Carr wasn't a great quarterback draft. Joey Harrington was the other one. It was an expansion team.

Tony Bisselli was supposed to be the left tackle. They got him from the Jaguars who didn't protect him. And Besselli never plays for the Texans. So it was a terrible offensive line. But that forever hindered David Carr's career. That's my only concern with Darry. I'm with you. Everything about Darrow himself.

I'm concerned about the supporting cast. I understand that. Here's one thing. I'm good buddies. Rick Denison was a coach at the Broncos. When I was there, he was our special team's coach. Went on to coach offensive line. Alex, after Alex Gibbs retired.

And he's a phenomenal coach. My former teammate Dave Diaz infante is his assistant with the Jets. They're bringing back that Denver. Bronco zone system. So you're going to have the zone system. You're going to have the play action that comes off of that. You're going to have the naked bootkeep stuff that comes off of that. They will do a good job of understanding that they have to take pressure off of him by running the ball, maintaining, being in front of the chains and maintaining those things. So I think that from a coaching standpoint, you can take, you can cover up and you can mask a lot of things that are a problem.

As long as you're a coach that understands, these are things we have a problem with. There's a lot of coaches that don't look at it that way. Like, hey, it's third down and, you know, 11 plus, and we're going to let you guys drop back in a 7-7-step drop, and you better figure it out. Well, guess what? You're going to get your quarterback hurt. They're not going to do that with him.

They are going to make sure that they take the pressure off of him. They're not going to let him drop back and just get lamb-baseded. That's a coaching step that understands this is a growing process. But the best way to compete with the Patriots, when Brady starts to decline if he ever does is to have your guy ready to have your draft pick ready. No, and they have all that cap room

for next year, likelihood of another high first round pick, although they traded away their second round pick. Stink, you have your own radio show in Denver. I got to ask you, Case Keenham, look, it wasn't a great frequency class, they didn't get cousins, they end up get, can he play? Oh yeah, yeah. He's picked up right where he left off.

He's been great in third downs, is like understanding the game, getting the ball out of his hands quickly, being very accurate. Like, he does it ball. But arm strength and he's little, like arm strength and he's little. He's small. He's got great feet in the pocket. He moves in the pocket. He creates windows for himself.

I think the biggest thing, Doug, is when you have a domineering guy like Peyton Manning, whether it's in Indie or whether it's in Denver, and a guy that basically is large and in charge, and you lose that guy, you know what nobody's ready to do is step up and take a leadership role. There's such a leadership vacuum because everybody just goes, oh, Peyton's our guy.

I don't have to do anything. So nobody truly develops. And the culture of that organization was everybody's just kind of looking around each other going, what are we going to do? And it lasted for two years because they didn't have a quarterback to take the reins. They didn't have anybody that they believed in.

Certainly Trevor Simeon worked hard and played hard, but he wasn't ready to be that leader. leader and Paxton Lynch isn't. So the one thing that Case Keenum has done that nobody else has been able to do, he's come in there and been in charge. I'm the guy. And from day one,

he has earned their respect and he has done that. And so there's a whole different feeling about that offense that permeates the whole team because now the defense looks at him and go, we can actually compete. So our effort is not going to be wasted. And we don't have to make every single play on a football field for us to be able to compete.

Look, it's going to be fascinating. Of course, we'll see what direction they're going in. against a team in Seattle who, of course, you know, both have gone to Super Bowls, both have won Super Bowls, and both are kind of struggling with the, do we rebuild or do we reload? Of course, you'll see Mark Schlerth on the call of that game. Real quick, do you think Des Bryant plays in the NFL this season? Yes, absolutely. How come Jacksonville hasn't called?

How come New England hasn't called? I think you always wait for your young guys to develop. If they don't develop after week one, then you start making phone calls because then you don't have to fully guarantee. guarantee a contract. But I think everybody is, it's like, it's like signing of Adam Jones in Denver. Well, why did anybody else sign him? Well, because you know he can play. So we got time. Let's see if any of our young guys can actually play. Mark Schler, three-time Super Bowl champion. You'll see him on all of our shows. Of course, here, NFL on Fox and his own show in Denver. Thanks so much, Sting. You got it, man.

Odell finally got the big dollars, but still doesn't get it. Doesn't get it at all. Tell you why. Upcoming next, Joy Taylor, I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is The Hurt. You're to catch live editions of The Herd, weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. What up? Welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb, and this is The Herd. Colin will be back tomorrow. Football season is here. Starting tonight, FS1. Coverage of the Big 12. Mama Mater, Oklahoma State, new video board in the end zone to go along with the other video boards in the end zone. Pistols firing everywhere, completely new look. Enjoy the game. Our boy, Joel Clad will be there. I believe Joel Clout will be on the show tomorrow. We get ready for a huge kickoff weekend in college football.

Joy Taylor alongside. Joy, now, look, I know you're a massive NFL fan. Are you as big a college football fan? I'm not as big of a college football fan because I went to a smaller school and then the school I graduated from Barry didn't have college football. Yep. But I like the University of Miami and obviously I grew up in Pittsburgh. So in Pittsburgh, you are a Pitt fan or a Penn State fan.

And I'm a Pitt fan. No, West Virginia. You don't count West Virginia with backyard brawl at all? No, you can't do. I'm just saying, like, that is the rival of Pitt is West Virginia as much as Penn State is. You went to West Virginia. That's your thing. But we don't just, like, root for West Virginia.

No, I didn't say you did. There are people, I believe, in the city of Pittsburgh who would claim West Virginia. If they went there or they grew up there, yeah. Sure. You got to make choices. Okay. By the way, huge game with Miami, taking on LSU. But listen, like, college football does it right.

They know that we kind of stop paying attention next weekend. for a couple of weeks as we dive into the NFL. This is an exciting weekend. Oh, Florida State, Virginia Tech. I'm fired up about seeing Deontre Francois back in a null uniform. I'm heck, I want to see Ole Miss, Texas Tech. I can't wait to see Oklahoma taking on Florida, Florida Atlantic, Michigan, Notre Dame, of course. There's one more than I'm missing.

Oh, Washington, Auburn. Man, I mean, you have national, it's, look, it's crazy how it works in college football. We're the first game of the year. Before, many of the, some of these schools are not yet in session yet. And yet they determine at the end of the year who will play for national championship. It's an awful system. But it's a better system than we used to have. All you can ask for is progress, right?

Right. Like people forget in our lifetime, when I was in college, we had split national champions. We had more than one national champion. That did in fact happen fairly recently. So anyone says like, oh, this is the worst system ever. This is a far better system than we've ever had previously. I still think they need to expand the playoffs a little bit more, but I'm comfortable with the way it is now. It's definitely better.

It's better. There are issues obviously in expansion, and obviously it's the discussion that's going to continue. It's not going to happen overnight. All right, let's get back to the NFL. The big news of the week is Aaron Rogers signed the biggest contract we've ever seen. But the news that preceded that was Odell Beckham Jr. signing the largest contract in the history of the wide receiver position. Now, I joined the show on what days.

They taste Thursday. So on Tuesday, like, one of Colin has always said, like, the giants are this conservative organization. And the truth is that they may have been a conservative organization. But between Olivier Verden and Nate Solder and now Odell Beckham Jr., like that's a lot of money locked up into three positions that are not the quarterback position. And they got a 37-year-old quarterback who was, in fact, benched last year, regardless of whether or not you think it's his fault or not his fault.

that they were awful with all those injuries that they had and the dysfunction within the defense as well. So OBJ gets a new contract. And look, the issues with O'Dell Beckham Jr., everybody wants the newest, the biggest, and the best, right? But the newest and the biggest or the most expensive does not always mean the best. It just doesn't. Look, there's one, I won't name it because they're not a sponsor of the show, but they could be a sponsor of show. we all know the name brand that you used to walk into Best Buy, and you look up on the wall, and every TV would be a certain amount,

and every TV would be $1,000, and that name brand would be $1,300. You're like, why is that? Because that name brand. It's not always the best. Just because you pay more doesn't mean you actually get more. Just because you have more followers on Twitter, doesn't mean you're more important. Just because you get the most downloads.

I think Selena Gomez has like the most downloads of all time, one song, most downloads of all time. Does that make her music the best music of all? time, like, no. But O'Dell Beckham, Jr., who's just three months removed from in a room, white substance, woman, Snapchat, and the team being like, look, we're kind of done with all this act. Three months of cleaning up his act, and we're going to give him the biggest paycheck we've ever seen in the position. No one's doubt in the town, but it's the importance of the position combined with the turbulence that they've seen. It's not even just the video. It's the video

combined with the, you know, peeing on the cone, combined with the, you know, making, making light of an argument with the kickers net, the kerfuffle with Josh Norman, all the different issues they've had with O'Dell Beckham Jr. are real, are tangible. And yet three months of rehab, right? Like, are you going to marry a woman who, hey, for the last three months, I have not been cheating on you? Or a guy, if you want to switch that one around. The answer is no.

And there is a level of football intelligence to it for the Giants in that, I don't know how many people know this, they actually now have like $8 or $9 million in Cap Room, as opposed to before this deal and one other deal. They had less than a million dollars in cap room. So it frees them up, it locks him in, and it seems like a lot of money now. And the truth is, in three years,

it probably won't be that much money because there'll be seven other wide receivers to get more. And he's yet to even get to his prime. But I was watching the shop on HBO, and there's been a lot of positive feedback from LeBron James TV show, which is on HBO. And I had a takeaway which was not positive, one of which was after O'Dell Beckham Jr. said this. I really feel like a zoo animal. Like, that's where life's gone for me. You know, you used to take your kids at a zoo, and we used to be like, you know, I want to see the lions. or let's go see the lions and you go out there and the lions are laid out. You know what I mean?

It's like, why aren't they doing lion stuff? You know what I mean? Like I got people who call hotel dance. And it's like to me that doesn't feel good, but it's like, damn, that's where life became. But can you ever really detach from that? I just want to be a regular guy. Now, look, if you go to Twitter and if you love your life on Twitter, it was the greatest show that's ever been made on HBO. A matter of fact, some are calling for an hour of content instead of 30 minutes of content,

which only if you say that, it only means you've never actually done a 30-minute TV show to understand how much more it is to do an hour TV show with no commercial breaks. But I thought it was awful. Like in your first episode, you're going to look down upon people who have made your career.

Like one of the biggest reasons O'Dell Beckham Jr. got the $19 million a year contract was because of the hair, because of the dancing, because of the image that he is concocted and created, you know, getting out from underneath the helmet. Yes, he's uber talented. Yes, he did in fact make a one-handed catch. But the fact is, we watch him as much or more in warm-ups than we ever have any player in the history of the National Football League.

Between the hair, the tats, the earring, the celebrations, the kicking net stuff, all of that is what's made him. And having hung out with celebrities, like I hung out once with Aaron Rogers, and I'll never forget this. He was like, look, here's the weird thing about me. And I don't know how many people, but people come up and they just touch me. And I'm not, it's not that I don't like human contact, but when you don't know who somebody is and people come up to who you don't know and introduce it. And they just want to put their hand on you, it can be a little off putting. And then I was with him one night, and that's exactly what I had.

happened. Like everyone it came up, like just wanted to touch him. Like, they'll get some portion of greatness by feeling his vibe. And like somehow it'll, it'll reverberate from his body. Like, there's some osmosis that takes place. So I understand, I think all of us understand what O'Dell Beckham Jr. is saying. Like, look, sometimes I just want to be a guy. But, hey, hey, dude, you're the one who has the bleached hair. You're the one with the tats. You're the one with the earring. You're the one who dances. You're the one who everything you've done is calling attention to yourself. And you've profited from that greatly. So if there's a little give back, yeah, this is one of the downsides to being one of the five most famous athletes currently in the NFL.

Had won a playoff game. Matter of fact, last time they were in the playoffs, remember, they had the photo on the boat in the week off. So everything that he has created, he has profited from. He's now shunning and thumbing his nose at. Like, there's a dude who just doesn't get it. You have to understand who you are and what makes you popular. Barry Manilow saying, I'm not going to sing Mandy tonight. Not singing Mandy.

Of course you're going to sing Mandy. Of course you're going to sing Mandy. Look, I thought there were parts of that show, which were really good and really interesting. On the other hand, you know, I can't believe that no one, they're at a barbershop, LeBron gets his haircut, and nobody asks LeBron about his hair. Hey, dude, what's going on up there? Now is your chance to tell us whatever you want. It's the most talked about hair outside of maybe Odell Beckham Jr.'s, maybe even more so.

Alfred Payton cut his hair. So in the NBA of hairstyles, the Braun James hairline is incredibly, they're in a barbershop. He gets his haircut and nobody goes, hey man, what's going on up there? Right? It's a legit, valid question. You want to be the person in that room to ask that question? If I was in that room and it's a real barbershop, yes, I think that's a real question. Are you going to ask that question?

I would ask that question if I was in that room in that barbershop. If we're like trying to be real. Like look, if I'm LeBron James and Maverick Carter, invite you in as a guest to the barbershop and you're going to be like, hey, uh, if I'm LeBron James, if I'm LeBron James or I'm Maverick Carter, that's a question that I plant that somebody should ask. And you should figure out the answer. Because it would be a human answer.

I feel confident in saying that is never going to happen. Oh, but wouldn't that be a human answer? Look, I have my own sensitivities about hair for various reasons. Why? You have incredible hair. Well, thank you. But, I mean. I was just like, I'm actually like your hair like shines.

It's perfect. I would kill for your hair. I would kill for any hair at some point. Look, I'm just saying hair for men is a sensitive subject. It is. I don't think that you're going to ask LeBron James about his airline. But the whole idea of the barbershop is there is no, there are no sense. Has any reporter ever asked LeBron about his hairline?

But again, this was not supposed to be reporters. This is supposed to be a real barbershop where you talk about real stuff. and they didn't actually talk about real stuff. That's really my issue. Like, I would guess there are plenty of his boys that bust his chops about it all the time. Privately. But I mean, I get what you're saying. This is, the conversations that they were having

in the barbershop were supposed to be a level deeper. That's why people embrace the show so much, because they're getting a side of LeBron that they don't normally get to see him kind of letting people behind the curtain to how he really feels. And this is kind of the new evolution of LeBron, where in the past he's had to be very,

straight-laced and just to stay away from all controversy. And he is just basically completely abandoned that. He is getting into social issues. He's talking about his personal life. It's a very different... It's very parallel to what we're getting from Tom Brady now. Someone who's been completely just kind of stayed away from getting into any kind of controversy. And now he has Tom versus Time and he has no problem talking about, you know, things that happen with deflakee and all that.

Do you think it was off-brand? No, because I think that LeBron's brand is a volumin. I think a few years ago it would have been off brands. I think when he was younger, it would have been very off brands and would have changed probably the course of his career. But now I think he's at a point in his career where he's won championships. He's lost enough. And he's had the dominance and success that he's had in basketball and outside of basketball that he's come to a point where he wants to actually be himself and make some sort of revolutionary change in his brand. So I think it's I think it's a different LeBron.

and I think that's everyone's kind of catching up to that. It's going to be interesting. I didn't like the, like, dude, those are the, those are the mouths that feed you, right? It felt like episode. Not just Odell, but also there were others in that same discussion that were, and Draymond kind of took it to that place to where, look, I don't, whatever level of stardom you have or I have, obviously it pales a comparison to the men and women in that room. Of course.

But I can tell you, if I went to the Oklahoma State game tonight in Stillwater, Like I'd be walking there, you'd be like, Ghali! Like, they'll be just guys just yell at your name for no apparent reason. And it can, and my wife sometimes is a little bit uncomfortable, which can be uncomfortable with is people just yelling out things at you or they'll say things to you, which they don't mean to come out as negative, but they just don't know what to say because they just want to,

they just want to talk to you. Like, hey man, you steal airball on free throws? Like, yeah, that was 20 years ago. And thanks for pointing out the one part I really sucked about. Like, you know, thanks. You know, like, hey, did you get fired from your job in the last 10 years? You know, like, you don't say those things to people. So I understand, I felt episode one to talk about how tough it is to be a superstar.

It was a little bit early in the run. I can understand how people would take that as him not having a lot of humility. But I also feel like what he said is being taken dramatically out of context. Like they're having, they're having a conversation about what it's like to be a black athlete and how you are, how you're examined, how your career, how what you say, how what you get involved in is held to a different standard than the white athlete. Like when LeBron is talking about social issues and, you know, if you react to a fan in a negative way, it's like, oh, man, leave Tom Brady alone, you know.

But if it's LeBron, it's, oh, he's a jerk. And that's more along the lines of what I think O'Dow was saying. I get it because you have to appreciate your fans and you have to appreciate the people that support you and all that, but everybody doesn't have a good day. I mean, it's, there's a human element to it. That's what, that's more what I think they were trying to say is that at the end of the day, yes, I may be out there and yes, this may be my brand and yes, I'm eccentric and yes, I, you know, I do all these extra things, but I'm still a human being and that's, in a less delicate way, I think that's what was trying to say. I understand. I mean, I, I disagree with the idea that the

white athlete isn't put under a microscope. I mean, Jay Cutler, we all assume he's the worst guy ever because he had bad body language during a football game, right? Like, we, we do do people differently based upon the lens in which we view them. Sometimes regardless, like, I, Snoop Dogg, who I, I love Snoop Dodd's music, but he said, you know, that people out, black people outside of the country treated better than people in the inside the country, which like, I feel like. Yeah, but I mean, he's a, he is a global superstar who has traveled the world. His experience in America may be different than he's had outside of America. Like he is a black man, he's walked in those shoes.

Yes, but I mean, like, listen, in European soccer, they have thrown bananas on the field for black athletes. Can you imagine those never been done? I mean, you've got the President of the United States calling out black athletes here in the country. I just think that what they're, they're trying to give you their perspective and their experience. Yes.

There was a little bit of echo chamber effect of it. Look, I didn't think it was all bad. or all good, but I think thumbing your nose at the reason to which your pocket, one of the biggest reasons of which your pockets have been filled above that of anybody else at your position is at least ironic, especially in the first episode. More on that to come. There are so many needy wide receivers, and there are so many teams that need a wide receiver, right?

Especially playoff caliber teams. Why hasn't anyone called Des? I have a theory. I'll share it with the upcoming next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. College football is back. Labor Day weekend on FS1.

Catch three great matchups, including Heisman Hopeful, Bryce Love and Stanford, hosting San Diego State. Also, Texas looks to avenge last year's upset against Maryland. Three days of football starting Thursday on FS1 or stream all the action live on the Fox Sports app. Awesome stuff. Football season is

Back on Fox and Fox Sports One. Can't wait to see the horns, of course, who not sure if you guys saw on the preview show, but Robert Smith picked Texas to go to the college football playoff. Texas to go to the college football playoff. Strong, strong stuff. Good thing is that videotape is not on social media. But if it goes right, he is the guy who calls it. We'll see, of course, Maryland last year beat him in Austin.

We'll see Maryland, obviously, going through things without DJ Durkin. their head coach who is put on administrative league. A lot of stuff to talk about. I can't wait to see. Minnesota tonight, Zach Ennestead, who's technically a walk-on getting a start for Minnesota. They take on New Mexico State. Of course, Oklahoma State take it on Missouri State. I read this article this morning, and it was from USA Today, right?

And they had the worst position groups by team. And I thought it was fascinating to see that, again, this is per one. one writer at USA Today, the Dallas Cowboys had the worst position group at Wide Receiver. Now, keep in mind that that position group does include tight ends. And of course, they lost Jason Whitten, who's now broadcasting games, and they replaced him with either Jeff Swain, Blake Jarwin, an Oklahoma State alum, or Rico Gathers who played basketball in college for Baylor. And then there's a bunch of names at Wide Receiver.

The one I think you probably know best is Cole Beasley. He's their biggest name. And two years ago had a spectacular season. Terrence Williams, Alan Hearns, Michael Gallup, the kid they drafted out of Colorado State. But you look, and that is on paper, games aren't played on paper. They're played inside television sets. On paper, not a strong group. Here's what's fascinating to be about Des Bryant still being unemployed.

And I understand that if he wait until after week one, then his whole contract doesn't have to be guaranteed teams trying to save money. Jacksonville needs a wide receiver. They just lost their best for the year. The Patriots need a wide receiver for at least the first four weeks of the season. And it's not like they haven't brought in either this year, wide receivers who had been good and are not now, or historically Desbrite checks so many boxes for guys they have had at any position,

the Corey Dillins of the world. Obviously, Chad Ocho Sinko didn't work. You pick a guy, though, junior say out, later in his career, finds a way to sacrifice financially to buy into the Patriot way. And yet they haven't called. And if you go back and look at the Cleveland Browns before they got Des Bryant to visit, remember John Dorsey, that general manager said, like, look, we tried to get a hold of him. He hasn't called us back. Why was that the case before Des does the visit to which he never takes off the headphones and he goes in? with a cutoff t-shirt.

Why was that? It's pretty obvious that he blew off that interview, that he didn't want to play in Cleveland because it's Cleveland. He played for the Cowboys, wants to play for a winner. And there are two, say what you want about Blake Bortles and whether or not that'd be a good fit, a quarterback that has struggled that most people,

even Jacksonville doesn't really believe in. Jacksonville's going to win. Now, that's a loaded team, right? Still got Leonard Fordette, still a good offensive line and an outstanding defense. We talked about Jalen Ramsey earlier. Jackson was going to win games. New England's going to win.

to win games. Both need a wide receiver. He's available. They haven't called. And then even the team that left him behind needs wide receiving help. It doesn't want him back. Like the league is, there's an old adage for like, what is something worth? Or what am I worth? You're worth what somebody's willing to pay you. What is Des Bryant's value right now? I don't know what there is. if he wants to play for a winner and winning teams don't want him and the teams to which he believes are losing organizations and he's not really willing, he's thumbing his nose at them, boy, you start to sit out longer and longer and longer

and he's running the risk of becoming T.O. A guy who could still technically get it done, but nobody wants them inside their locker room. Fascinating on how quickly this thing has changed. Let's get to Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd,

news. All right. So after Adrian Peterson signed with Washington, he heard some comments made about him by our very own Chris Carter and Shannon Sharp. And he apparently did not like them because he told USA today watching some of the things they said about me, man, it really hurt me to the core. The things that came out of Chris's mouth, not only personally, but about me as a player. Oh, he's washed up and this and that and the other. He should just retire. How dare you? He also said that Shannon said the same thing. I can't believe that would come out of your mouth. They're in a position where millions of people are watching them.

And then he basically said he's going to ball out this year and have all the fans who, and people that look up to him, put them on people that said something negative about him on blast. Look, Adrian Peterson, a lot of people get upset that Adrian Peterson is bouncing around the league, if you will, and they kind of want to imagine Adrian Peterson riding off into the sunset and ending his career and all glory.

And they don't want to see him. fizzle out because of his greatness. But to me, he can only do this for a certain amount more time, maybe not even this year. He should play for as long as he feels like he's capable, and quite frankly, for as long as people are going to give him a job. Whether he is terrible or not is on Adrian Peterson. But to get mad at Chris and Shannon, these are Hall of Famers. And he's going to be a Hall of Famer, too. But he's not yet. They are. They have every right and have the credibility to talk about what they see from a football perspective. They're not attacking. him personally. They're just saying they don't think he's going to be good this year. And they don't

want to see him, well, at least what Chris said is that they don't want to see him have the way, go out the way that he did with the dolphins. Chris doesn't want that to be on his. OJ with the Niners. Like pick the, pick the, or when Jerry Rice was, was chasing it with the Broncos, then I think the Seahawks for a short, for like a camp or something like that. Like this is sadly the way it ends. Now, the great thing for the great thing for Adrian Peterson is the only thing it matters is how he plays. Right. Right. Like he actually has the ability to respond in the way in which he can't respond. He's like, look, I still got, I want to be Frank Gore 2.0. Frank Gore has supposed to been washed up for the last five years. And yet he still finds a way, like, I don't know where

the fountain of youth is that he's got it. But he's got it. I get what I get what both of them are saying, Chris and Shannon. And I understand AP being sensitive about it. But to me, like, if, if Adrian goes out there and plays badly, then he's just not going to be on the team. anymore. And who cares? When I think of Chris's career, I don't think of him with the Dolphins. And that's my team. It doesn't matter to me. It doesn't bother me that he didn't play well with the Dolphins. He's a Hall of Famer in an amazing career. He tried to play a little longer than he should have. And so what? If Adrian ends up being bad, it's not going to damage my view of his career or think anyone who's a fan of Adrian. But he has to stop being so

sensitive about this. These are guys that have the credibility to talk about football-related things. They're not just talking heads trying to take shots at him. Nor do either one of them want him to fail. I agree. He doesn't understand where it comes from. It comes from a place of love and admiration. It's also their job. Agreed. But look, this sensitivity that he has, guys have to find someone to motivate them. And if it's, I'm going to prove you guys wrong, and he averages more than 3.5 yards to carry like he averaged last year with Arizona. Right. If he, like Washington hasn't had a running game in the last couple years. Terrible. They run the football a lot. They just don't run it well.

If he can get them in second or third and manageable, he'll keep his job and it doesn't matter. But, I mean, how many different NFL players have we seen go down this, especially running backs, where Emmett Smith with the Arizona Cardinals that pick out to start running back. And with the exception of Barry Sanders, who left before he could have become the all-time leading rusher. And Jim Brown. But those two is really the exception. Everybody else finishes out their career in a different jersey and usually doesn't end that well. It just says if they were just sitting around doing nothing and tweeting,

about how they think Adrian is going to be bad this year. That's one thing. But it's literally Chris and Shannon's job to talk about football on television. They're going to give their critique of him just like anybody else. They're not taking shots at him. So you can get away with wearing anything that you want when you're a quarterback that is worth $134 million. So Aaron Rogers signed his record-breaking contract extension and decided to wear an all-denum tuxedo and a cowboy hat to the theme's annual Welcome Back Luncheon. That is a look right there.

That's fantastic. You feeling it? With the Boli tie? Right? That's the deal that Philip Rivers wore. Like, Bolo tie, whatever. I'm sorry. I don't really, Bolo tie.

Right, that's the... Well, he's not the only one. No. Okay, so maybe it was like an all-denem theme because I feel like the other guys have some full denim outfits going on there. It's a great look. What's crazy about the bolo tie is this. That is strong.

Philip Rivers actually voluntarily wore that after a football game. Like, Aaron Rogers is having fun with it. Philip Rivers did it voluntarily. Like, you know your country if you actually have a bolow tie in your wardrobe. Like, you know the old Jeff Foxworthy, you know your redneck if you know your redneck if you know your country if you have a bowelotie. You don't think you can pull off that look? Aaron Rogers can. That's an, the mustache makes it.

Forget the outfit. The mustache is incredible. Man, he's a star. You can't tell him nothing. Finally, Sunday marked the one-year anniversary of Mayweather versus McGregor and TMT caught up with Floyd on the anniversary of a superfight to ask his opinion of Connor's upcoming fight with Khabib. and Floyd had this to say. They're fighting in Vegas. I talked with Dana.

I may talk with Connor, get some tickets. But, you know, leading up to the fight where McGregor gets to Las Vegas, we're liking to train that, you know, just work. I know the UFC got a training facility, but we're like for him to work out at the Mayweather Boxing Club. Hmm.

So he's reaching out a little olive branch there. Connor swatted it away. Connor responded on Twitter by saying, bleep the Mayweathers, except Senior and Roger. There's no peace here, kid. Step up or step down. I think this is a veiled way of saying that he wants to see Mayweather in the octagon

since he, you know, stepped into the ring with him. I have no desire to see that. Although I will say I love that Connor wants no smoke with Senior. It's so funny. I love the, that fight was one the greatest ruses in the history of Vegas. Oh, come on. It was entertaining. I didn't say it wasn't entertaining, but it was never really that competitive, right? People didn't think he was going to make it out of the first round.

That's because Floyd Mayweather made it so that he had zero chance of winning. He didn't throw, he wasn't throwing punches. He just put his hands up and danced and made, made it so Connor Beggear had no power. That's what he does in every fight. No, in every fight, he's defensive. But he, there wasn't counterattacking. It was simply wearing him out because the only chance that Connor had was for him to catch a clean left hook. And he caught one in the first thing.

And it did first round, and it still didn't even, still didn't stagger him, still didn't knock him down. That wasn't one of the greatest fighters in the history of the sport against a guy who's never been in a boxing ring in his first professional match. Like there was zero point zero zero zero one percent chance that Floyd Money Mayweather would lose that fight. And yet we all bought it. We're like, man, that was entertaining. There was a chance he could lose if Connor caught him. He did catch him and still nothing happened. Caught him enough times.

but it wasn't going to happen because Floyd's the greatest defensive fighter of all time. It was the great white hype come to life. It was genius in its simplicity. And we all paid money and we had no idea that we got shaken down. I bet if they did it again, we would do it again. You're damn right, we would. You absolutely right. Except in the octagon, because I don't want to see that.

That's Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lie News. Here's the question. Does Aaron Rogers need to win another Super Bowl to validate his career's legacy. Two-time Super Bowl champion coach Rob Ryan has the answer for us.

He'll join us next in the herd. What up? Welcome in. This is the herd. I'm Doug Gottlie. Football season here. College football kicks off tonight on FS1. Man, great college football tonight. Tomorrow night, Saturday night throughout the weekend as well, all the way into Monday.

And of course, that gives way to NFL football, which kicks off a week from today, a week from today. So plan accordingly. Get those honey-dews done or those, do women have, would you guys have a term for like honey-dews? Like if you want to watch football and he's not all that into football, do women date a guy who's not in the football, but they're into football? Does that actually exist? Well, it's my job, so. I understand that, but I'm just saying like. Oh, I don't know what other women do. Yeah. So you don't have to have any. Women do watch football on their own. No, I know they do. I just don't know if they have to do the equity thing. Like there are, there's a certain amount of equity, like marriage, marital equity, right, especially

when you have kids. You're like, all right, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that. Before football season starts? Yeah, or even during football season, depending on part of the country. Like, one of the things that East Coast has above West Coast is you do have like the first half of your day on a Saturday or a Sunday to get stuff done and to be kind of an engaged parent. Oh, yeah, you can't do that on the West Coast. Can't do it at all. Like 9 o'clock, it's on.

And it goes the entire day. The bonus, though, is because I lived on the East Coast my whole life. Yes. Is that the games are done earlier on the West Coast. which is just lovely if you have to get up early. If you have to get up early, it is lovely. The East Coast, it's better when you have little kids and you get that like 8, 30, 9 o'clock kickoff

and everybody else is asleep. And you can go down in the basement or downstairs in the TV room and watch it and just crank it up and eat a bunch of food that's terrible for you and watch football. I do think East Coast is a little bit underrated for TV viewing if you have kids, especially little ones. All right, more on that to come.

I know who else is ready for football. Rob Ryan is an FS1 NFL analyst. spent 19 seasons coaching in the National Football League. The Bills, the Saints, the Cowboys, the Browns. Yeah, a bunch of them. Who has, what's better? She was trying to take shots of her own hair. I'm like, man, your hair is awesome.

Yeah, she looks great. Right. And then, like, your, but do you think your hair is better? No, I think Joy's definitely better. Yeah. I think mine's got yours by a slight edge. No, by a large margin. I have a lot of product in my head.

Not all of this is my own. My plugs are just, they're brand new. Rob Ryan joins us. Aaron Rogers signs the biggest contract in the history of the sport. Is he worth it? Well, I mean, you know, he's got to be a two-time champion, you know, to be considered great. Like myself, my father, Rex has a ways to go. He only had one.

Listen to the show and now you're killed. No, I'm... No, I think he definitely deserved it. I mean, no one's carrying their team like he does. And, you know, I'm glad he got what he deserved. I mean, you know, the guy's fantastic. If you, and look, you've coached against all of these guys. If you, who would you less rather prepare for?

Yeah, it might be double negative there. If I did, I apologize to all my English teachers on the way. Who would you rather not prepare for more? Rogers or Brady? Well, I mean, I was there when we won two Super Bowls with Brady. So I know how he prepares. I'm assuming Rogers prepares, you know, similar ways. But I've lucked in the more successful.

against Rogers than I have Brady. So I'd say I'd rather play against Rogers. Okay, so does this, but this type of, one of the things about Brady is, and look, I know that Tom Brady, the truth is he's actually made more money. Like people act like he's like working for peanuts. Like he's like day labor there, you know? Right.

Like, no, no, no, no. Actually, many of those years he's made more than $20 million. It's just a way in which they creatively work it within the cap. But he doesn't make as much as his value would tell you he could make. and Aaron Rogers is setting the new bar for quarterbacks. Does this ultimately come back to bite them in the future because he's going to eat up so much of that cap? Well, I mean, I think those are great points about Brady,

but I mean, his wife makes more than everybody else's, so I think he's going to be just fine. I think Rogers' amount of money, I remember being in New England, we actually had a discussion, can you win with a $100 million quarterback? But that was about Bledsoe, you know, back in the day. And inevitably, we, you know,

chose Brady and moved on from Bloodsoe. But I think it eventually will hurt the Packers a little bit. But could you imagine the Packers? I mean, we saw it last year without him. I mean, he's just a – he's the closest thing to a one-man show as there is. He's like LeBron, you know, in basketball. I mean, he's going to make his team win just regardless of who he's got playing with him. Yeah, thank you, Brent Hunley.

He actually helped Aaron Rogers get paid. Do you think he needs another Super Bowl to validate his career? No, I don't think so at all. I mean, shoot, Dan Marino. He was, what, his rookie year, he went to one and never went again. Everybody knows he's an all-time great, so I don't think so at all. And look, he has won one, and he's been a phenomenal player. You know, as long as he's healthy, you know, Green Bay's always got a chance with him there.

Let's get him with the Kille Mack. Supposed of the Raiders have said, look, if you want Kille Mack, two first-round picks. Now, the Raiders have spent a bunch of their cap room in the off-season, and so they're a little bit in Cap Hell. What are your thoughts on Khalil Mack and how the Raiders are handling this? Well, I mean, you know, I'm not the GM by any stretch, but I mean,

Calil Mac is one of the best defensive players in football. I think their defense, I don't care what scheme you're running. I know Gunther's there, does a good job on defense, runs a lot of Mike Zimmer's stuff, but any defense can use a Kalil Mack, whether he's an end, a back, or whatever you list them as. I mean, he's one of the best in football. So I think they've got to get going,

If they're serious about this season, they're going to want their best defensive player. And Max certainly that. Sam Donald's going to start for the New York Jets. And he does not have a great offensive line. He does not have a great running game. Some because that line, some because the running backs. He does not have a great wide receiving court. Wide receiving court is decent, but tight ends, a bunch of no names.

Do you think this is a mistake? Because once you start him, you can't pull him. So do you think it's a mistake to start him this early? Well, I mean, obviously the team got rid of Bridgewater to do this. I think he's in a market there in New York where, you know, they want to put their best guy out there, sell tickets. Everybody believes in this young guy. Everybody knows the future is going to be, you know, extremely bright for him. Is he ready?

No, of course not. But what he's going to do is take a beating probably like Troy Aikman did. I mean, Aikman came out. One of the best quarterbacks I've ever seen in my life by far starts his rookie year. Doesn't win a game. I mean, you know, they won a game when he was hurt. you know, so, and no one took a bigger beating, but being an Oklahoma kid, he was tough and handle it. I think this kid will be okay.

I really do. I just think he's going to be fed to the wolves early. With this passing game of theirs, boots, get him on the move, quick passing game. I think he'll be okay. I just think he's got a little hitch in his throw, you know, which bides time. And, you know, that Kaiser had a big hitch for Cleveland last year and got pummeled for it and threw a lot of picks. I could see this guy not set in the world on fire his first year, but certainly what a great future he's going to have.

The Giants have gone all in on Odo Beckham Jr., all in financially. And then they go and they draft a running back as well. What do you think of this Giants team? Like you've got a 37-year-old quarterback. You've reworked offensive line, but they shuffled some of their problems on the left side over to the right side trying to kind of hide it from us, right?

And the defense hasn't been great. Do you like what the Giants' plan is for this season? I do. I think, you know, they've got the 37-year-old quarterback, but he is a manning. You know, they play until they're 100. So, I mean, I like him. I love the fact they got the running back. They got Beckham.

I think that's a fantastic move. You know, I think he proved his worth by not doing anything. He was injured, and they couldn't get a first down last year. So I think that's why they end up paying a young man. He's got, you know, a great future out there in New York. He took care of his brand. I mean, he's a Louisiana kid that, you know, I think he loves football, and I think it's the right decision.

I like the way this team. I think they're going to compete this year, and I think their defense is going to do a good job. They've got good talent on there. So I think it's going to be a good football team. Why is DES still unsigned? I think teams are a little worse. I think teams have offered Des, but Dez didn't take them.

So, you know, everybody says, I remember I said, I'll have a job in five minutes. I actually did, but people would never believe that. They thought I was out of football for two months and were killing me. I think Des has had opportunities. I think he's waiting for the right one in his eyes. And I think that'll happen after the season. Once they make their cuts, now they're not so committed on Des. If he shows and does a great thing, they keep them. If he doesn't, they can move on from him without costing the team a fortune. No, I get that. I guess my issue is I know he wants to play for a winning team, right? But now there's two winning teams.

Patriots and Jags both seem to need a guy like Des Bryant, especially Patriots. They've had guys like that in the past. They need somebody first four weeks of season, and they haven't called. Will a winning team actually call him? I think so. I think they will. And I think, you know, it may be one of those two teams. You know, I'm looking forward to seeing which one because I think Desk can still play.

And I think he's going to bring a lot to the table. I don't think he's as near as big of a distraction as people say he is. But I've been around them a lot. I've been around, I've been in locker rooms with him, and I admire the way he plays the game, the way he loves football. Yeah, I guess the question becomes, though, does he understand, is he able to function? Not whether or not he can play, is he able to function not getting in as many balls as he got? Look, he got 133 times he was thrown to last year. Can he handle getting thrown to like he's the third wide receiver?

That's a great question. I don't know. He's always been a number one. He was the number one at Oklahoma State. He's been a number one his whole life. So that remains to be seen, but I know how much he loves to win. And I think I remember we doubled him the whole game once when I was in New Orleans and we beat him. Then the next year he was like, well, that's okay.

They'll double me, but we'll be able to run the ball on him, which they did. But, you know, he's okay with that. It would be interesting to see which team he goes through. He's going to have to go to an excellent coaching staff. A strong personality. Yeah, strong personalities, and I think he'll do great. Rob Ryan, Fox Sports 1, NFL, that's great stuff. There's a huge difference between Brady and Aaron Rogers.

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work. I cannot wait for that thing to drop tomorrow. In the meantime, we got football to talk about. And I have a list that I hate using the word lit because I feel like the oldest whiteest dude in America when I say it because my son, who's nine says lit, and I feel like it's much better for him to say lit, for me to say lit. But John Gulloch, am I wrong to say our meeting room was lit? was on fire with energy when I presented the idea for this list, which lots of people have

lists, this list that I presented to the group. Lit would be a perfect way to describe the meeting room this morning when you mentioned this. Now, you had, you'd walked out because you have other. No, I wasn't there. I was in there when you first presented it, yes. Yes. You didn't like it, though. You just, you thought.

No, I would say it would turn. I mean, I was doing my own prep, but I was in the room. I could feel the energy. Okay. The energy. And then when you walk away. turns up. For sure.

Once it turned up, I like that. Once Sam began to write the names on the board, I mean, that's when it got vicious. It got vicious. So we got the list to end all lists in regards to the NFL, that upcoming in 15 minutes. That, my friends, in the business, is called the tease. Aaron Rogers, by my estimation, the best quarterback in football. Now, not the most decorated, not the most successful. and that is part of the discussion.

He got the biggest contract in the history of the sport, $102.5 million guaranteed. I'm going to caution some of my cohorts here at Fox, one of whom is like Nick Wright, who does first things first. And he went on this rant today, which I was listening to on our Sirius XM channel. He was talking about how Khalil Mack

is not just fighting for him. He's fighting for all these NFL players. Like, look, I get it. Everybody wants people in their industry to get paid. In our industry, we want other people to get paid. right? Because if he makes some, that means rising tide lifts all ships. And once it becomes public that they're making this, we're all competitive and we want to make what's going rate. That's very, very normal. But in the National Football League and the NBA, you have what's known as a salary

cap. There is a pie. Now, the pie continues to increase, continues to grow. And the NFL pie will grow. Like they've never truly sold their streaming rights. And when they do, when they, Yahoo who sells it for them now. And eventually they do. That pie is going to grow. But every pie has a limit. And every pizza pie, no matter how big the pizza pie, like at some point the slices are gone.

You're like, well, I want a bigger slice of the pie. Like, you do that, somebody else is going to get a slimmer slice. That's the best metaphor I can tell you to look at that pie. So while it's great to celebrate dudes getting paid, like the reason the Raiders haven't been able to make it work, with Cleo Mac is they've allowed other people to get slices of the pie in the off season. They've mismanaged

their cap. And if they sign him to a ridiculous deal that he may believe that he's valued at and the market may on some way dictate he's valued at. Like they're not going to have enough pie for other players in the future. And the cycle will continue.

The best example of that is the LA Rams. Right? The L.A. Rams are already reworking contracts so they can sign Aaron Donald. You do that just to get a contract sign. Like, you got all these guys on one-year deals. It's just going to continue and get worse. So, yeah, go for it now.

But eventually the Piper will be paid. Which brings us to Aaron Rogers, who has the rightful distinction now is the highest paid player in the NFL. Quarterback's most important position, he's the best player, his time was up, he gets paid. Not going to argue with it. But what if I gave you the first?

name Tom Brady. You're like, oh, Godlieb, I've heard it. Tom Brady took less money. Okay. I'll give you two other names, Kevin Durant. I give you another name, Tim Duncan. Now, you may say, hey, Kevin Durant, he only took two million less, but it is two million less. Tim Duncan never took going rate. Tom Brady, could he got a little bump, a little extra bonus, just going back two weeks ago from the Patriots. Could he have said like, hey, you got rid of my two cups last year. I ain't paying until I get Aaron Rogers money. He could, but he won't. Because you have to have pie left over. And if your argument is, hey, Aaron Rogers has been sitting there going, fellas, there's a pie and you haven't been divvying it up. And we haven't had good enough

players for the last six, seven years. So I haven't gotten to a Super Bowl. There's nothing wrong with that argument. But I give you 12 titles, Durant, Tim Duncan, Tom Brady combined, who took less money than going rate, took less money than whatever the max is, they're the most they could possibly get so that they could win, and it has worked, so that everybody gets theirs. Everybody. Look, it's, the ego tells you it's really, really cool to be the highest paid guy.

The highest paid guy. But everybody has a budget. In fact, we got budgets here. And if it doesn't come out of your salary, it's coming out of somebody else's. And, you know, you're only as strong as your, weakest link. So to Aaron Rogers, who, like, I'm not going to critique going after every last penny with this one exception. Going after every last penny does leave you open to, hey, what happens is they can't fill out a roster good enough. If you want to say, why didn't we go,

Aaron, we gave you all that money. There's a limit. There's a point to which we tap out, point to which we just can't keep spending. Every team is constructed differently. I even love the Faron and sometime radio host narrative of, hey, listen, all these teams are now valued over $2 billion. Yes, but then you have to sell your team. Why do I have to lose money on a business just so I can sell it and make money? What if I actually want to make money on my business and make money on the value of the team? What if I want to do both?

You can do both. But the biggest part is this, whatever you think, of NFL owners and NFL GMs and trying to save money and pinch pennies. It's not like if they save $5 million, they put it in their pocket. It's like not the way it works. It's the same pool of money. And either they spend it or they don't spend it. That's it.

Period. So Aaron Rogers' strong cases, look, I've been here. We've been winning. I'm giving it everything I have. I carry a franchise. I'm worth it. Isn't that the same thing Tom Brady can say? Tom Brady has, in fact, they had no.

no playmakers on that New England defense last year. A guy who had made a couple of plays, Malcolm Butler didn't even play in the Super Bowl, and now he's elsewhere. This has been what they are spending money, but they're spending money in the offensive line to protect him on trying to figure out the defense. But Tom Brady's faith in that thing is not necessarily just faith in Belichick or faith in doing it the right way. This is the best way to be successful.

And the longer and more often that you're successful, the greater your value, the greater you're viewed. You have the right to be a pure capitalist and go after every last dollar. But history would tell you, it's hard to win that way. Really, really hard to win that way. Now, does he need to win? I don't think he needs to win to solidify his legacy. But again, I'm just one talking head. I'm just one fan. You're always going to, he'll never catch in terms of number of Super Bowl appearances, Tom Brady. But he can catch him in terms of Super Bowl wins. And the more you say, no, he can't. Tom Brady went 10 years without winning a Super Bowl. Ten years, decade. They were done until they weren't. And as we've seen at that position,

based upon how the game is officiated and how it's going to continue to trend, it's going to be a more offensive game, more quarterback-friendly game, more stats-driven game, which is better and better and better. And while he's super athletic and at some point, he will lose a step, you can still you can still be a great quarterback when you're a non-athlete if you're athletic within the pocket. I mean, Philip Rivers beat anybody in a foot race?

He's started over 200 consecutive games in the NFL. It's Philip Rivers. The only reason Eli Manning's streak stopped was because they were so bad they wanted to take a look at people and Eli went in and said, don't pull me in the fourth quarter.

Instead, bench me. And it was basically a coup d'etat to which Eli took over the franchise. Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, dudes that stay in the pocket can play forever if they want. So the idea that he'll never catch Tom Brady, it's not likely, but it's possible. But he could, maybe not easily,

but he could very well get to another Super Bowl or two. Does he need to? Not for me. I know we have this mental thing to where, first you have to get to a Super Bowl in order to get to one level. you got to win the soup bowl to get another level. Then you're going to win a second soup bowl. You get to another level.

And then you win a third soup bowl and now you're at the very top level. It's like levels of donating. You know, they have that. Like you ever go to a, you go to a new stadium? They're like, well, you know, if you donated $10,000, you donated $20,000, donated $50,000, donate $100,000, you donated $1,000. Yeah, but like, look, what if I donated $10,000, but I only make $60,000 a year? As opposed to, if you donate a million, but you donate a million, but you,

you fell into a fortune of a couple of hundred million, it actually doesn't mean as much. He hasn't had the supporting cast in terms of playmakers. As good as you think Tom Brady has been, and Tom Brady's been great. Rob Grankowski is a first ballot Hall of Fame. Does anybody want to argue with that one, right? As a tight end? Okay. Nobody's going to, that's not a profound shock jock hot take.

Jimmy Graham is the first elite tight end, I would say, Jamichael Finley, the best tight end beforehand, that Aaron Rogers had played with? Is that, is that right? Like, name me the guy that he was, he did play with Greg James, a good player. But Greg Jennings wasn't Randy Moss. We make it out that Tom Brady never played with great players. He play with Randy Moss. Played Rob Grunkowski.

I would even point out that, yes, he helped make West Welker. West Walker helped make him. Most important down in football is third down. Best third down wide receiver in the league for three straight years was Wes Welker. Those two go hand in hand. I don't think Wes Walker gets into the Hall of Fame, but his numbers and how important he was. And the fact that he got double-teamed every third down would tell you that he probably should be. Gary Rogers hasn't played with great teams, hasn't played with the greatest coaching staff.

You know, the Dom Capers thing never really was better, but never really worked. Offensive line would always be injured, running back position. was one to which they never seemed to really find a fix for. So I don't think Aaron Rogers has to win a second Super Bowl. Peyton Manning won a second Super Bowl, but he did so because of his defense. It wasn't because of him. Ben Rothsberger's first Super Bowl had nothing to do with him.

Antoine Randwell threw a better ball in the Super Bowl. And the officiant was awful for Seattle. So a second Super Bowl does nothing for me. I know it does for some. I don't think Aaron Rogers needs another one to get to that other plane because here's a guy who, Part of the story is no scholarships out of high school, one scholarship out of junior college, last guy in the green room, had to come in and replace Brett Favreve, which is a huge shadow

to fall in, and has been as good or better than number four who preceded him, doesn't turn the football over, and is an incredible weapon that checks every box for what you have to do as a quarterback from leadership to accuracy, to arm strength, to foot speed in and out of the pocket. All right, up coming next. everyone loves lists or they hate that they love lists right there's a hate love thing too but this morning we put together a list that will drive you absolutely insane but we'll also make you think it's next in the hurt catch an MLB doubleheader Saturday on FS1 first John Carlos Stanton leads the Yankees against the tigers then the rays battle francisco londor and the indians it all starts at 330 eastern on fs one or stream it live on the fox sports app

Gottlie been for Colin here in the herd joy Taylor alongside. We'll get to her with the news in a second. We mentioned East Coast time and watching football East Coast time. I spent 12 of the last 16 years on the East Coast working for two different media companies. And the first nine, for one up in Northern Connecticut, and I used to play basketball at, there's a small college in,

West Hartford, Connecticut. And it's actually called St. Joe's College. My wife got her nursing degree there. Jim Calhoun starting the basketball program there. Anyway, me and Donnie Marshall, who works with us here at Fox, we used to play pickup basketball there almost every day at noon. Monday and Wednesday were the best days. And Fridays were the best days for noon ball.

And there was this group of older guys. And one day we were sitting around and we didn't have enough at the end for the last game. Some guys were coming and going. About four or five of us sitting around. And I was asked the question, not who the best player in the gym was, but who the worst player in the gym was.

And my answer was this. There's a guy named Gary. Gary, if you're out there, how you doing? Super nice guy. Now, Gary was the worst player, not because he was the worst player, but because Gary didn't know he was among the worst players,

and he tried to shoot as much as some of the better players in the gym. So it was that that I used that as a jumping off point for a list that we put together earlier today. And it goes a little something like this. Who is the worst starting quarterback week one in the national football league? Look, we can sit here and argue Brady or Rogers. Maybe you want to throw a breeze into the mix because of historically he's put up ridiculous numbers last year a little bit down. You might want to put, you know, Carson Wentz when he's back.

healthy if he's back healthy. You might even throw in others like a Deshawn Watson who set the world on fire only for a couple weeks. There are other names. But I think it's actually more interesting who the 10 worst starting quarterbacks are, week one in the Nashville League. Here's what we did. We don't have a body work on rookies. We chose to not include them. Be too easy to put Josh Allen one considering he's in Buffalo. He wasn't expected to start and they're probably going to thrust him into duties with the injury to AJ McCarrant. So we took rookies out of it. Got to have a body of work.

Here's number 10. Number 10. Dak Prescott. I heard Colin earlier this week, the ultimate stabilizer, right? They weren't that stable last year when they didn't have Ezekielion. Dak Prescott's fine. Remember, he took over an absolute Corvette that had the best offensive line, a tremendous running game.

Des Bryant, Jason Witten and they were really good his first year. But then when he was named the full-time starter and Tony Romo went to the booth and Des Bryant Age and Jason Witten was so slow it looked like he was dragging a dead body and Ezekia Elliott was suspended. Last year 9 and 7, 62.9 completion percentage,

22 touchdowns, 13 interceptions, 86.6? Passer rating had 60. Teen giveaways tied for seventh most in the NFL. Some of it's based upon expectations. Some of it's based upon the idea they don't have very good wide receiving court. But Dak Prescott number 10. Number nine.

Marcus Mariotta. I know he won the Heisman trophy and if you interview him, you want him to run for Senator. You just do. And I get it. They had a comeback win in the playoffs against the Kansas City Chiefs. Maybe a better question is, who hasn't had a comeback win against the Kansas City Chiefs in the playoffs? Mario da's 20 and 22 is starting quarterback through more interceptions than touchdowns last season. In three seasons, his pass rating is 25th in the NFL during that span.

25th, you do the math. There's 32 teams. 25th is not great. They've tried to change things. They fired their coach all to try and fix Marcus Mariotta. If he needs to be fixed, that means he's broken. He's number nine. Number eight. Case Keenham. Mark Schleras sat right here and said he can play. I do think he can play as a backup. As a full-time starter gets exposed. We saw it last year in the NFC championship game.

They're just throws that he can't make. Keenham had three turnovers, two picks, one fumble in that 38 to 7 loss to the Eagles, and the Vikings had better talent. They had dudes. Part of this is expectations. Two-year, $36 million deal with the Broncos in March. He's 9 and 15 as a starting quarterback Prior to the 2017 season

Remember, he wasn't a starting quarterback for bad teams He was starting quarterback for the Houston Texans That's a playoff roster He was a starting quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings That's a playoff roster He's a really, really good backup He's a great story He is not a great quarterback

Number 7 Tyrod Taylor might not have made this list To Rod Taylor on the other hand That's a joke I know he led the bills to the playoffs last year But like Marcus Mariotto, the only reason the bills and the Titans got to the playoffs is. The Chargers didn't have a field goal kicker to start the season. The Ravens completely choked.

DeShon Watson got hurt. Like go through all the injuries and dysfunction within the AFC. And that's the reason that the bills got to the playoffs. Hell, Andy Dalton helped get the bills to the playoffs. That's why so many funded his charity from Buffalo. Three seasons as a starter, he's never thrown more than 20 touchdown passes. He's fine. 202 yards per game since 2015.

200 yards a game passing is not elite quarterback stuff. Look, he's going to hold this thing together in Cleveland, get the ball out to his wide receivers, and eventually be replaced by Baker Mayfield. He's somewhere in between starter and backup and seems to be a great guy and a great story and a good leader for a dysfunctional bunch in Cleveland. There's a reason that he's not in Baltimore

and not in Buffalo anymore and that he's in Cleveland. one of the bottom 10 in the national football league. Number six. Eli Manning. I'm not talking Eli Manning historically through his career. I'm talking Eli Manning now at 37 years old. They were 3 and 13 last year.

He got bench for Gino Smith. Man, he got bench for Gino Smith. That wasn't his fault. He got bench for Gino Smith. 169 giveaways since 2010. Most in the NFL. The next closest is Philip Rivers, and he's got him by 20.

led the NFL in interceptions three times over. Best way to get yourself beat is to lose the turnover battle, and Eli Manning makes a habit of it. I'm not talking prime or playoff Eli Manning. I'm talking regular season 37-year-old Eli Manning. Number six. Number five. Blake Bortles.

They had the ball with 59 seconds to go and the lead in New England, and they took a knee. Why? Because Jacksonville knows what we all know. He's better than he used to be, but he still's not good. 21 and 40 is starting quarterback, 64 interceptions since 2014. He had the number two defense in football last season. They didn't believe in him.

Why should we believe in him? Blake Mortals is better, but they probably should have traded for Eli last year and got marginally better. They might have gotten to a Super Bowl. Number four. Ryan Tannehill. Ryan Tanyl has two 4,000-yard seasons. Okay. But since his rookie year is pasturating his 31st in the NFL,

No, Jay Cutler, by the way, now retired and a reality show star. And I mean reality show star, right? Jay Cutler, much better. You feel much better with his surly technique, surly attitude as a reality show star than you do back in the NFL. Anyway, his pass rating is lower than Jay Cutler's. Dolphin fans were actually relieved when Jay Cutler replaced him last year when Ryan Tanniel who had a torn ACL. I know two years ago he set the world of fire with 27 touchdowns and like 10 interceptions. They're putting a lot of faith in him now.

They've stripped him down of Jarvis Landry. Not buying it and coming off in ACL that he missed an entire season. We'll put Ryan Taney Hill as number four. Number three. Another backup who went to Harvard. Are you aware that Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard? Oh, and Jerome Bettis is from Detroit. These are the two most over-told stories in all of the National Football League.

35 years old. a below 60% completion percentage since 2005. He's a great backup, and he can fill in. He had the one year with the Jets, and then he held out for big money. He does have a fantastic beard and mustache combo. And he went to Harvard. Outside of that, dude, he doesn't have much arm. Not much arm.

And he's played for seven different teams for a reason. Number two. Mitch, oh, or Mitch. Tribisky. We don't have a lot to work with. He didn't have a lot to work with last year, but he was drafted and played for a quarterback guru. And yeah, he passed for 182.8 yards per game last season. That's the second fewest in the NFL. The only one with less was Brett Hunley, who didn't win the backup job with the Green Bay Packers. That's why they traded him in Seattle. In 12 games, he threw seven touchdown passes. He was great at handing the ball off. And that's

the skill you need least in the National Football League. We don't have a ton of data to work with, but so far the data is not good. Not a lot of confidence in Chicago. They made the right call trading up for Mitch Trubisky. Number one. And the worst starting quarterback in the National Football League, per our group, per me personally, I'm taking ownership of it. Some of it's based upon expectations.

He's the Super Bowl MVP. He had one year, 29 touchdowns, two interceptions. But boy, Nick Foles is not looking. good and he's regressing towards the mean, maybe even past the mean so far in the preseason. Great guy, great story out of football, didn't want to be traded because he wants to be the backup for a reason. That's what he is. Huge expectations because of how well he played in the NFC championship game in the Super Bowl. But people forget he was a mess when he was first name starting quarterback last year with the Eagles. It was not good. You go back to the disaster at the end of

the run with the Rams and how he's looked in the preseason. Out of football for a reason, 69.0 pass rating over the last three seasons. In three regular season starts last year, before the playoffs where he played better, didn't play well against Atlanta, played better, obviously really good against Minnesota and great in the Super Bowl, a 54% completion percentage. 54%. That's like Blutarsky level in the National Football League. Nick Fools, your 32nd best or best bad starter in the National Football League.

Here's Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. This is all MVP, huh? Yeah, I mean, like there's the Larry Brown effect, right? I mean, yeah. Have you seen him playing the preseason? I mean, he was bad.

Doug Peterson said he was bad. You know, as much as I'd love to get, just start clutching my pearls over preseason games, I'm going to wait for the regular season. I respect your opinion on it. But if you've been in the league for five or six years, even guys are just rookies, you're supposed to come in there and zip, zip, zip, get in, get out, and be on your way and let Nate Sudfeld play. I'm actually okay with the Nick Folson because he's not going to be the starting quarterback of the Eagles moving forward. However, Dak Prescott should not be on that list.

Okay. Patrick Mahomes, because if we're not basing it on the whole career, then Patrick Mahomes should be there. Great week 17 last year. We've seen unbelievable in the preseason. Way more from Dak Crescott last year than Patrick Mahomes. And Joe Flacco should be there before. Mahomes is basically a rookie. We did not.

We had one start to which he played. We had no body of work. Mitch Trubisky had a body of work. So Patrick Mahomes should be there. And if you don't want Patrick Mahomes there, you should put Joe Flacco there. Because Dak had a better year last year than Joe Flacco also. He did. But again, body of work.

But you didn't want to do body of work because you had Eli on there. Well, and I think Flacco currently looks really good. Maybe it's Lamar Jackson has looked so bad and Flacco has looked so good. And maybe I watch you. too much pre-season football. Fair. Okay, so the NBA players are going to be allowed to wear shoes of any color this upcoming season. Weren't they already allowed to wear shoes?

Like, wasn't this a rule to which they didn't enforce previously? No. I mean, like, now it's official, and they had to get approved and stuff. So the only thing that has to get approved now is third-party logos, and they can't wear anything, like, sharp, like, are protruding out of it, and they can't have any reflective elements. They can't have, like, razor blades coming out and- And they kind of a shiv coming out of it?

You can't see, like, certain shoes have, like, spikes. They're rubber, obviously still, but, like, spikes on the side of them or something. How jealous are jealous or NFL players are going to be? So jealous. So jealous. And they really, like, the NFL really needs to relax on that rule. I understand that they don't, they, if they want to control messages or something like that, but designs and having the guys have their own shoes with, like, it's so smart.

It's, it, it, it brings an extra element to the game. fans and the sneaker industry like that's synonymous. The difference is there's not the same industry for cleats. Well, there's not the same industry because you can't wear cleats around. That's what I'm saying. Well, yes.

And especially now that the turf has changed. You used to, you know, Barry Sanders used to be able to wear sneakers if you wanted when they played on the old style Astor Turf. But I mean, NFL players are going to be so pissed. As they should be. It's so stupid. Just let them wear colorful cleats. It's fun

for the fans. It adds a great elements of social media, which I know the NFL doesn't really care about, but it's something. And it's what young fans care about. I think they'll get it in the next CBA, but they'll lose something. Like, that's the whole thing with the NFL. That's what the owners are genius to it. It should not be something that the owners should not care about this. It's so silly.

I mean, it's a billion dollar industry. Sneakers. It's so smart. I know. The NBA just gets it. I'm a sneakerhead. I love him. So Walt Frazier is not, he's not with the super teams.

He does not approve of Kevin Durant's going. to Golden State. He said his career will always be followed by an asterisk. Let's take a listen. Durant, I mean, as great a player he is, I would still hold back because man, he joined a team that really didn't

need him. You know what I mean? I mean, he's right there with LeBron, probably with Sebastian. He's the best player in the game soon, but for him doing that, I still don't give him the full credit that he probably would have deserved if he stayed with OKC and want to

title with that team. He's going to be down the list for me because of that, you know, because there will be an asterisk by his name. He went on to say it's not something I would have done. I never would have joined Jerry West, Bill Russell, or Wilk Chamberlain. I wanted to kick their butts. I know some people have a very strong opinion about Kevin Durant going to Golden State, and most of it is because people have a hatred for how great Golden State is, and the other part of it is because OKC lost the Golden State when they had them up three-one. Yes. So I understand. people saying, you know, I don't like super teams and everything's supposed to be fair. And, you know, it ruins the integrity of the game.

And it tells off the balance of the league. I'm doing that voice again. But that's my, that's my, that's my voice. It's fine. Like, get off my long guy. I don't have any problem with Kevin Durant going somewhere and having people around him that can win. If he felt like he couldn't do it with Russell Westbrook, that is what it is. Like, it's, I have no problem with it whatsoever.

But to say that there's an asterisk next to his name, like he cheated or something, is absurd. is there an asterisk next to LeBron's name? He went to go play with two Hallfamers in Miami. Correct. And don't get me wrong. Great four years. Great four years for me. I loved it.

But he did do that. And that's where he went to win his first championship. And mind you, they didn't win the first year. So. And then they had a Ray Allen. Right. Who saved LeBron's legacy. There's no arguing that whatsoever.

No. We'd be having a completely different conversation about LeBron if that not happened. So I just don't get the idea of this, like, feeling. this undertone that Kevin Durant, like, cheated his way to a ring or something. He was a better player in both finals. Yes. No, and listen, you go back and even old school. Like, Kareemm Abdul-Jabbar won a championship in Milwaukee.

He forced his way out, wanted to go to L.A. Now, did they form a super team right then and there? No, but eventually he did have a super... When he got Magic Johnson, they had a super team. Boston Celtics, like, you're holding it against Kevin Garnett, that he couldn't win. He got to the Western Conference Finals with the Minnesota Timberwolves. He felt like they reached their ceiling.

because LaTrell Spreewell couldn't feed his family with the paltry like $13 million he was offered. So he leaves and goes to Boston and starts the Boston three party, right? Like this is part of the NBA. But one of the missing parts of this whole thing was Golden State did not win a championship. They won a championship, but when they did, one, everybody had injuries. Even LeBron had, Kyrie was hurt and Kevin Love was hurt. So the idea that was a dominant Roch, like, no, it wasn't. Then they won 73 games.

But this is during an era to which teams were shutting guys down, and Golden State chose to go for it. But they didn't win the championship. It wasn't a championship team. They were losing Harrison Barnes. They had to rework their bench. And Kevin Durant, as a free agent, signed there. I think they needed Kevin Durant just as much as Kevin Durant needed a chance to show how great he was.

And Kevin Durant has exceeded any reasonable person's expectations for his level of performance in the NBA finals over not one, but two. series. Absolutely. So we spoke about Jalen Ramsey earlier and he's at it again in the interview with Mina Kimes. Ramsey said not only that Granc is overrated. He's good but not great. He also vowed to never play for the Cowboys until the Joneses leave, which will be for the rest of time, essentially, because they're not going anywhere. This is all due to the draft snub. He felt like he was salty that the Cowboys didn't draft him, so he will never go and play there. Man, could you imagine Jaylon Ramsey with the Cowboys. I mean, that's really, that's really the team for him. Yes. No, I remember

I look, they got Zeke, who's a great player. And I remember during, I would, I said at the time when somebody pulled old takes exposed that everyone I knew is like, dude, Jailor Ram's legit, shut down, best defensive back in the draft. But it's not like they got Trent Richardson.

Right? It's not like they got a guy who's out of football. They got Ezekieliot who, though suspended for six games for being a complete knucklehead, is a legit talent. And, And oh yeah, by the way, like that burns the fire within. Right? Like, so Aaron Rogers would never play for the 23 other teams that passed on him or you kind of go through the whatever.

Well, it's like we were talking. Then this isn't comparable because obviously Jalen Ramsey, I'm sure it's happy where he is now. And he's thriving and having a great career. Johnny Mansell is talking about on Kevin Hart's new show that he hated Cleveland the second he got there. I didn't think he hated. I watched the coldest balls episode. and I didn't take it as, I took him take it as,

it was completely foreign to him as a kid from Texas and he's in Berea, Ohio, and he doesn't know anybody. I didn't take it as I hate Cleveland or even I hate the Browns. I took it as he just wasn't ready for being an NFL player. He was so used to being Johnny football in Texas

and writing, I didn't take it as much, but anyway, sorry. Like, I know that's been a lot, what has been discussed. I mean, boo freaking who, dude. No, I, but, oh, okay, well, you're, I'm not comparing the two.

I'm saying like this idea that like you have somewhere in your mind that you want to go as opposed to like considering it a privilege to be drafted wherever you are making the best of it. Where I think Jalen Ramsey is, he's just saying he's also using that as motivation. Whereas Mansell came off to me as like, oh my God, I'm in this whole culture shock. There's no buzz here. Like let me get out of here. That's that's the difference. Yeah.

I also think though that to people who undersell what, even Jailan Ramsey, who I don't know if he was even a lot. when the Cowboys last won a Super Bowl or if he was old enough to remember when the Cowboys last won a Super Bowl. I probably wouldn't even, you know, the star is still the most powerful franchise in the sport. In the world. Yeah, we try,

people try and diminish it because they don't win the Super Bowls. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. All the guys, Earl Thomas wants to play there. Adrian Peterson, I know these are Texas guys. Adrian Peterson wanted to play there. They all were playing. It's weirdly, it's weird that Jaylon's taking a shot at the Joneses because

Jerry Jones is a reason that most players do want to go there because he's such a player's owner. He mad. And that's Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. Abdu tweets me, dude, you called Sam Donald, San Bradford twice today. I apologize.

I apologize. I got my Sam's mixed up. And Ephrains says, dude, you missed Sam Bradford on your badge quarterback's list. No, I didn't. I actually think Sam Bradford. a good quarterback. He just gets hurt all the time. Like I can, there are things you can set your

watch to, right? And you can set your watch to Sam Bradford getting hurt at some point in time. That's just it. I actually think he's, he played probably his best game as a pro last year, the first game of the season against the Saints. Lit him up. And then got hurt and no one even knows when he got

hurt. And we barely saw him. He played Pittsburgh the next week. Then we never saw him again. So I actually think San Bradford's decent. Uh, ridiculous. accurately accurate, set the accuracy, uh, completions percentage record the season before we had no offensive line, got rid of it super quickly.

But I, I have no faith in him staying healthy, unfortunately. Is Aaron Rogers the goat if he never appears in another Super Bowl? That's next in the best for last. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the herd. So a week from Saturday night in Dallas, UFC 228. Now, a year ago, a year ago in Anaheim, I got a chance to see Tyron Woodley fight and defend his title against Damien Maya.

And it was one of those to where if you watched on TV, there wasn't a lot of action. Let's bring you on Tyron Woodley, of course. He came here with the belt, the welterweight, undisputed welterweight champion of the world. You see him on TMZ. You see him everywhere. Put this upside down. So I saw that. I saw your last fight.

you haven't fought a year. And obviously his style was to get you to the ground. He's a wrestler. He was a grappler. And if anyone's seen you in the Octagon, you're a remarkable athlete. And no matter how he tried, he couldn't get you down. Now, you're fighting Darren Till, who's undefeated. And you've said, like, look, this could be the next Connor.

Please tell me he's not going to guy that's not going to stand up with you. You know, he's a guy that he's a stand-up fighter. I think that's all he knows. He's not going to try to out-restle me. He's not going to try to out-graple me. He's going to try to make it a striking fight. So we definitely go see some good exchanges in this fight. All right.

What about you? And you look like you're in great physical condition. He's a guy who's missed weight twice. How does that change your preparation? You know, it doesn't do anything. If he makes weight or don't make weight, it really doesn't change my game plan. He's just the first battle is a scale. If he loses that battle, then he's going to have to come out of some money.

And for me, it's the same thing. I took care of all that stuff business-wise, so I didn't have to worry about the fight week. I can just go out there, focus on a fight. haven't fought in a year doing a lot of TV stuff of your own how confident are you in your level of fitness I'm very confident you gotta remember when I won the world title I had been out for 18 months I came out and smoked robbery in Loller in 47 seconds

so I don't really believe in ring runs is what you do when you're away um me working on fox and actually doing analyst I mean analysts work and looking at fights from a different lens allowed me to really stay sharp obviously I was still training and rehabbing and using that mindset to just get back and defend my belt So I should be fine. All right, D.C., Daniel Cormier, he won two belts.

Ever thought about going after another belt? Yeah, I thought about it. I wanted to fight Michael Bisming. We hit the belt. We had talked about that. They never really came forth. I wouldn't mind fighting the winner of Robert Woodaker and Calvin Gasolum for the middle-way belt. Definitely something on my radar.

It is two or three guys in my division that I like to be first. I think before you saw bouncing around, you should go ahead and clean the division out. So after this fight, there's one or two more guys in the division. I think I can run through. And then at that point, yeah, I think middle way to be next way class for me. All right. That's a week from Saturday night in Dallas and American Airlines. And then you look forward to 229.

That's October 6th. And we're going to see Connor McGregor. What's your expectations next time we see Connor in the Octagon? It's kind of tough, you know, because I'm fighting the car right before him. And so I won't really get a chance to really get all pumped up for yet because I'm so focused on my car. 228. So that's kind of what I'm focused on. And shortly after that fight, obviously, a lot of attention.

I mean, a lot of attention is on the car right now. I'll give it more attention after I go out there and become victorious in my fight. All right, let's circle back to Darren Till. You have said you have given him a ton of respect, but you also said it's almost personal. Why? You know, I just feel like, you know,

this is not the first young, undefeated fight I fought. Kevin Gasselam, who's fighting for the middleweight shop, he was undefeated. It's not the first person that they thought had the recipe that, you know, the fans, oh, this person might be able to do this, to Tyrant. You know, I just, I just, you look at me and you look at what I've done in the sport,

you look at, you know, the accolades that I have, people that I've beat it, you know, guys like Robbie Lawler or Carlos Conn. Those guys are more highly regarded than I am. Yep. And I'm the guy that's taking those guys out. So I think I just keep going out there, keep winning, keep busting people up. And then eventually, you know, I'm just going to be undeniable. You're awesome to watch me. You're such a just such a freak athlete and competitor. I can't wait to see you next next Saturday night. Thanks so much for joining us. I appreciate it, my man. That's Tyron Woodley joining us.

That's next Saturday night. Reminder, the prelims for UFC 228 are on FX starting at 8 p.m. My thanks to Brad. Brad in the back made burritos. I know, Joy, you didn't try it. And he's trying to, he's cutting weight here. I can't do it a burritos. Man, they were so good.

They didn't ask you about brittos? Yeah. They're really good. What if I had lunch plans? You're just going to put me on blast like that? I'm just saying, nobody asked you. I'm saying, Brad, thank you. Thank you, Brad. He brought me a burrito.

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