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Episode Date: October 31, 2019This week, Gottlieb on why Anthony Davis is a Top 5 NBA player, if reports of Kyrie already creating headaches with the Nets is a sign of worse things to come, and talks Kyrie and the Nets drama, Knic...ks direction, and a developing scandal at Seton Hall over recruit tampering with hoops writer Adam Zagoria. Make sure you download, rate and subscribe here to get the latest All Ball Podcasts! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Last week, we previewed a couple of teams.
This week, we're going to take you kind of out east.
We talked to a lot of Lakers last week.
you're seeing the Lakers and Anthony Davis,
the time of this recording is coming off of 40 and 20.
The guy without any question in my mind
is a top five player in the NBA.
Now, what's interesting about the top five discussion is
we say top five and people will put 10 guys as a top five player.
That's not actually the way it works.
Top five is top five.
So I don't know.
I'm torn on the hardened thing
because he's definitely a top five offensive player,
but he plays no defense.
I think Janice is a top five all-around player, although, you know, it's weird because I'd
I'd still rather have LeBron with the ball late than Janus with the ball late, even though I don't
think that LeBron is nearly what Janus is athletically right now.
I just, you know, LeBron is everything is bully ball now because he can't get a step.
But his skill, especially his shooting skill, is so much better than it used to be.
But he's still not, he's never been a pure shooter, even if his shot.
shot is really, really pure.
Does that make sense?
But Anthony Davis is without any, start any top five list.
Any top five list, you have to put Anthony Davis on it because he plays both ends and he can
carry your scoring.
He's a willing passer.
He can guard multiple positions.
He's great.
And I know that the big part of the trade was all of the draft picks.
and that's likely to set the
the Lakers back, I guess, for years, you know,
but they're probably going to be late first round draftics anyway.
But regardless, the other side to it is,
like, look, at the time this recording,
the Pelicans hadn't won a game,
and Ingram and Lonzo and Josh Harder all playing.
So I understand Drew Holliday's not,
and he's hurt, and that might change who the Pelicans are
and what they play like as the season goes,
on. But it's really important to mention that, look, those guys are all still trying to prove themselves
for a reason. And even though I thought they had a good group last year, they're so much better this
year. And they're probably a Darren Collison retirement away from being the best team in the NBA
early in the season. Better even the Clippers who, of course, beat them on opening night.
As for the Clippers and when people, like, that had to be really interesting for Kauai.
Like, it probably doesn't bother him because he is, in fact, the machine. He is, in fact, the Terminator.
But the idea that you would come to the clippers and have what feels like and was, in fact, a better team, the Lakers get booed at home, get booed at a Dodger game.
You start to realize, like, dude, it's still a Laker town.
No matter how good the clippers are.
But I like the clippers, and Kauai is absolutely a top five player.
Right.
So, I mean, look, top five players have to play both ends.
That's the question with James.
Do you put James Harden's that list?
You not put James Hardin, but those two are among the league's elites.
I would put Janus in there as well.
And then now is when you start to get kind of an interesting discussion over kind of the rest of the league.
Like Kyrie.
So let's get to the Nets.
Adam Zagoria is going to join us.
It's based in New York.
He works for SNY TV.
And my only thought on the recent Jackie McMullen story where basically he has these wild mood swings
He doesn't want to talk to anybody.
I think it's possible that he's secretly an introvert
and his personality is brilliance.
As a basketball player,
how brilliant he is, like even in Uncle Drew
at the movie, like that masks the fact
that he maybe has moments of needing time away
from other people.
So let's kind of dive in on the Kyrie thing.
Look, some of this is different because he's not,
we all want it to be like, well, it's like Boston,
everybody in Boston hated him, and so he left Boston.
And I've heard some of my colleagues say Kevin Durant made a mistake leaving Golden State.
I wouldn't have left Golden State, but again, we also have to remember.
Like, no one actually remembers the moment in which things happened and what was going on.
Had Kevin Durant not left Golden State, he's still not playing right now.
He still, he was a free agent, he had a torn to kill his tenant.
So regardless of whatever happened, he wasn't going to be playing.
And while I personally would have said like, hey, stay there, it was pretty obvious he couldn't find whatever he's searching for happiness wise, fulfillment wise.
He couldn't find it there.
So now he's going to try in Brooklyn.
Now, here's the benefit that they run.
There's no expectations of the nets.
There's just not.
No matter what you think, you know, what you think, no expectation outside.
There's no expectation to that.
In New York, they're probably the sixth or seventh biggest professional sports team.
Right.
Yankees are the biggest.
Then probably the giants and jets and then the Knicks and then the Rangers.
Right.
And a Mets in there too.
And then you get to the, then you're talking about the nets.
That's the pecking order of importance.
Now, it doesn't mean that when he goes for.
50 like you did on Open Tonight, people aren't going to pay attention in the tri-state area.
But in terms of passion, this is, and the Nets have been better than the Clippers have.
They've been to NBA finals. Clippers haven't been past the second round.
But it's the same thing that, frankly, Kauai is experiencing.
The only difference, obviously, is Kauai is on franchise in L.A., but he's going against the Lakers,
but the Lakers have two superstars where the Knicks clearly don't.
but I actually think that kind of benefits
Kyrie as I don't think he's a leader
I think he's a great player
I think he can be a little obnoxious
because he's one of those guys is smart
but thinks he's a lot smarter than he is
but he's talented
and you have two super talented guys
and Kevin Durant because he's kind of been through the ringer
in at least how he feels emotionally
he's been through the ringer.
I think when he returns,
KD's a very good teammate.
Do I think they'll play too much iso ball?
I do, and that's weird,
because this was the ultimate analytics team,
great chemistry,
great character,
but it might just work.
We're kind of a year and a half away
from knowing.
Katie doesn't play this year.
Although I wouldn't,
you know, like if he's good to go,
like let him get,
you're not going to know
and not going to feel better
until you have some game action on you.
Like I wouldn't,
I wouldn't be against if he can play
the last 10 games of the regular season, play him and get it to where, you know, if he doesn't
care about his averages, where he's playing 10, 15 minutes a game and feeling good about
himself. And then next year, he's, you know, fully and completely all the way back. I don't
think that's what they'll do, but that's what I would consider. But Kyrie's over dominance of
it. It's almost like you wish he would come out and get everybody involved and be passive.
On the other hand, again, here's the downside. Here's the other part to it. It might work because
Kyrie is like, look, fuck it.
I'm just going to be Kyrie every day.
I don't have to try and fit in.
Remember when he came back with Boston last year,
they had gone to the Eastern Conference Finals.
No matter how miraculous that was,
how fortunate they were,
the fact is, they'd gone to the Eastern Conference Finals.
So all those guys thought they were great.
And he was like, man, I'm just going to feed the sugar
and I'm going to lead.
I'm going to try and just be a true point guard.
And this is who Kyrie is.
a score. Give me the ball and I'm going to score. I remember one of his Duke coaches told me once,
like, hey, you know, Kyrie wasn't a point guard growing up. He only played 10 games at Duke.
He's not really a point guard. So people asking him to do point guard things, like he wasn't
really a point guard with the calves. What happens with people in point guards is they do assume
dribbling the ball up the floor and or being the smallest guy in the court who dribbles the ball
the floor, you're a point guard.
This dude is a score who can really pass if he wants to.
So does it work?
I don't know, what does work mean?
Are they one of the better teams in the East?
Maybe not this year they'll be okay.
They'll be good.
They'll be a playoff team.
And next year, if Kevin Rand is anywhere near back, the answer is yes.
Did they win a championship?
I'm guessing no, because the ISO basketball seems to have gone the way of the dodo, right?
You have to have ball in player movement.
You have to play true analytics ball.
And I don't know how they develop enough all around scoring.
But I actually understand why KD did it.
I wouldn't have done it.
I would have stayed there.
But I also remember that the timing,
this wasn't a, he wasn't going to play this year.
And letting Kyrie be Kyrie for better or worse for a year before you come back
actually makes it a better destination for Kevin Durant.
All right.
I'm going to catch up with Adam Zagory.
we're going to talk about East Coast Toops. Weird story out of Seton Hall. Weird story,
like a tampering story that kind of came out of nowhere. And you end up having your head coach get suspended for just the exhibition games.
Kevin Willard, who has maybe his best team missed their first. And I think he missed both exhibition games because suspension.
And it's because of tampering on a transfer that took place two years ago.
I guess it's a weird one.
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Let's welcome him in.
It writes for the New York Times for Forbes.
You see him on SNY TV.
I saw where now he's also, he's going to cover Seton Hall basketball this year.
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I want to ask you kind of to just start this, the Kevin Willard thing, it's not national news.
but I think within the Big East and East Coast Hoops,
this is a big thing.
So he's been suspended for tampering.
Is that right?
Yeah, hi, Doug.
Yeah, it's a funny little, I mean, it's not funny,
but I drove out there to their exhibition game last night at Staten Hall,
and I walked in the jam expecting it to be kind of a quiet, you know,
exhibition game against the Division III opponent,
and then the news broke that, you know, Kevin was suspended,
and he didn't coach the game, so he missed that game,
and he'll miss their season opener Tuesday against Wagner.
Basically, it sounds like Syracuse filed a complaint, alleging,
tampering on this kid, Tori and Thompson, who's now a junior who came to the
hall from Syracuse two years ago.
He's a New York City kid, kind of came back home.
So, you know, Kevin's really just missing, like, one regular season game over it.
Okay, but like this is like the the unspoken thing about transfers is that tampering does, tampering seems to be rampant, right?
And it's the, it's one of the reasons that that coaches have always been against the idea that you can transfer and not sit out because you're in, you know, you're in handshake lines and, you know, a little wink and a nod and man, you'd really look good in our colors.
But the head coach, but suspending the head coach, that feels like they got to.
to have some sort of proof, right? Like a text or something?
Yeah, I mean, my understanding of the situation is that it had more to do with a former assistant
coaches no longer on Kevin's staff, you know, between the lines, you could probably figure out
who that is, someone related to that person and in their connection to Torian's family,
Torian's mother. I mean, I know Seton Hall was, you know, recruiting Torian Thompson early in his, you know,
crewman before he went to Syracuse.
So I think my understanding is Kevin kind of
just took the fall here for one
of his former assistants. But yeah,
there's got to be some kind of
proof with the NCAA
or wherever.
I mean, the deal with Tori and Thompson with, he was at
Syracuse, you know, he wasn't a
particularly great student. He wasn't
a pretty solid freshman year,
but then he abruptly left Syracuse
in like August,
leaving Jim Behan kind of high and dry
because, you know, you can't go out
get a transfer in August, and then he turned up and seen the hall a month later.
So I don't think Syracuse was very happy about that.
Yeah, so this feels like it made me not as much about Tori and Thompson as much as this the idea that it's bullshit the way things went down.
And it's kind of a warning to anybody else who tries to poach it.
It's interesting.
What was the kid's name?
And now I'm all of a sudden I'm blanking.
What was the kid's name from Iowa State?
that went to Syracuse, first-round draft pick.
Why am I forgetting?
Recently?
Ten years ago, maybe?
Well, yeah, this kind of stuff, you know, especially like when kids come back home
and they come to a school close to their home and the staff at the school they're going to
has known the family, you know, for years, which is the case here, you know, it's hard.
You know, you'd have to be naive to think there isn't some back-channel talking going on.
Wesley Johnson, right?
That's the old Wesley Johnson story.
Wesley Johnson was Iowa State, and he was supposed to,
I think he was supposed to live with Doug McDermott.
Greg McDermott was his coach, right?
Like they were, or whatever it happened, he had signed the lease,
goes home to Dallas for a couple days,
and then it's like, hey, I'm going to Syracuse.
And they were like, whoa, whoa.
And look, for the kid, it ends up, you know,
being a life changer.
And, you know, he sits out and he ends up having,
outstanding run and becomes a first-round
draft pick, but it's more the way in which
things go down and the feeling
of tampering. Let me ask you about
Seton Hall. This is a talented team.
I think number 12 in the preseason
poll. You got a chance to eyeball
him. How good are they?
They're really good. I mean, this is the best
team. You know, Kevin Willard's
been to the tournament four years in a row.
He's never, I think he's got
one win in four years.
And really, you know, I talked to Miles Powell,
their first team, All-America
and to Kevin Willard, and, you know, this is really, you know,
failure is not an option kind of year.
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and I think they feel like if they're not contending in March for Big East regular season
and tournament titles and they don't get to at least the second week of the tournament,
you know, it's going to be a failure.
It's that kind of year.
How did Kevin survive?
Like, remember he had, there was, you know, you go back four years ago before they first made the tournament,
And I remember, and he was just like, yeah, you know, like they fire me, they fire me.
They don't, they don't.
And that team ended up getting to the tournament.
And kind of the rest, as they say, is history.
That's a hard job.
How is he survived?
Whereas, you know, you look at the other, you know, big, big East jobs.
I mean, look at St. John's, obviously, you make it, some of its expectations.
They make a tournament and Mullen ends up losing his jobs.
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How has Kevin Willard survived?
Yeah, well, in the instance, you referenced there, that's a good memory about you.
He went into the athletic director at the time, Pat Lyon, who was a good friend of his, and said, you know, basically, look, you know, I know I haven't lived up to expectations here, but stick with me.
I believe I have a good team coming in next year, and I'm going to turn it around.
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guys. And they were, of course, the foundation of a team that, you know, went to the tournament
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garden. So he's had a nice run of success, you know, since then. And he's also recruited very
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You know, Doug, they, you know, they played last night and basically a gym with a stage on one end
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And I'm sure you read Jackman Mullins quote where she, you know, his temperamental personality can rub people the wrong way.
And she has sources that said he shut down on him one day when they were in China.
Of course, the team vociferously denied that.
First, just kind of an overall sense, how do you think that's going, Kyrie and the Nets?
Well, look, let me preface this by saying I've known Kyrie and covered him for his entire life.
His entire life.
Since he was in high school, you know, I covered him.
I spoke to him one on more when he was at high school.
You know, we all always knew he was going to be, you know, incredibly talented, successful player.
I don't think anybody could have quite imagined he'd be where he is now in his career.
You know, that said, I have had my own run-ins with him and his family.
Like when he was supposed to commit to Duke on ESPN,
and I broke the story a couple days earlier that he was going to Duke
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And I get that.
They want to have their moment with the announcement and everything and all that said.
So, you know, I've known Kyrie and his family for a long time.
I think people kind of know what they're getting with him at this point.
I mean, obviously, you know, his situation with LeBron was, you know, very well documented.
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You want to phrase it in Boston and some of his teammates there came out and said they,
you know, pretty much didn't want to hang out with him all he was in Boston.
And now those kind of similar things are coming up with the Nets.
So, you know, those of us who are around him aren't really that surprised.
I think it'll be interesting.
You know, this year it's his team.
But next year when Kevin Durant comes back and is healthy, you know, they're going to have to
coexist and everyone wants to see how that's going to happen.
And for right now, Kevin Durant gave him.
Jackie McMullen, you know, quotes saying that he had Kyrie's back.
Do you think it works long term?
Do I?
I mean, it's really fascinating.
I mean, especially in New York, but obviously nationally, was a huge story because, you know,
everybody, including, like, Stephen A. Smith was out there saying the Knicks were going to get these guys.
You know, Jim Dolan, the Knicks owner went on Michael Kay, radio here in New York,
and, you know, pretty much said they expected to get some big name free agents.
And there was a lot of, you know, expectations and hoped there was talking of them getting Dian.
There's a back page of the New York Post here in New York with Durant, Kyrie, and Diane all in Nick's jerseys.
You know, now none of those guys are here.
And they have the Knicks have RJ Barrett and the Nets have Kyrie and KD.
I do think the Nets are, you know, ahead of the NICs right now.
And, you know, you've got to think they'll be at least a.
a strong playoff team, you know, with Durant and Kyrie next year.
Yeah.
What about the Knicks?
They're in this weird place where they were trying to play Dennis Smith at the point.
He can't shoot.
And that rear said then, you know, he had a death in the family.
So he left the team, but he was going to be going to come off the bench.
Like, you know, Dallas couldn't wait to get rid of him.
They just felt like he wasn't great for their culture, couldn't shoot.
was the, you know, is unbelievable in layup lines and in the open court,
but in terms of being a real basketball player, couldn't do it.
Fisdale's a guy who, you know, they brought in to kind of change the culture
and everyone likes Fizz, but they couldn't land a free agent.
They end up getting R.J. Barrett, who, you know, might be the best, you know,
might be the best pro of any of the guys drafted.
And even though Zion, obviously, he's going to get a lot of eyeballs once he starts playing,
what's the status of the Knicks early through this season?
Well, I think that RJ's been, you know, a bright spot.
I mean, you bring up a couple points there, you know, Doug,
with the point-card situation and everything.
RJ's been a bright spot.
He's averaging, I think, 20 and a half points through four games.
And let's remember that before Zion became Zion, you know,
all the NBA guys I talked to and all the NBA guys in general said RJ was the
consensus number one pick and he was going to be the best pro.
And, you know, obviously John Morant's playing really well
and some other guys, Tyler Heroes playing really well.
But, you know, RJ looks like the real deal,
and there are some, you know, real questions about Zion's health
and his knees going forward.
So I think Nick fans are excited about RJ.
You know, there's obviously a lot of criticism early
about Fisdale's coaching because they started 0-and-3.
The point guard situation is really up in the air.
You know, if Dennis Smith kind of turns out to be a bus,
and he's all they have to show for the Chris Steps,
Porzingis trade, and Porzingis goes on to block,
in Dallas with Luca Donchik, you know, there's going to be a lot of unhappy, you know,
Knicks fans about that situation.
You know, they have Frank Milakina who played really well in the World Cup and kind of shut
Kemba down in the quarterfinals there, but he's not much of an offensive player.
And then they have Alfred Payton.
So, you know, I just don't think the Knicks are going to be that good this year.
But, you know, they do have RJ.
And they got some tough players, Julius Randall, Marcus Morris, Bobby Porter,
had a big game the other night.
But I can't see them winning more than, you know, 30 games or so.
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So what is, what's the next plan? It's to try and get Janus? Like what, you know, obviously
if Durant and Kyrie was plan A, like, or is it just build around RJ? Like, what is, what's
the plan B or C or whatever plan they're on? Yeah, I mean, look, obviously their plan was to get KD
and Kyrie. And then they tried to.
to make it sound as if, you know, they were all ready for a plan B of signing, you know,
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I think Julius Randall is the only guy with a three-year deal.
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A year from now, they'll have cap flexibility, and, you know, they could go after Yannis
or something like that, but I just think, you know, there's no real light at the end of
the tunnel.
Some people think as long as Jim Dolan owns the team, they're kind of cursed and they'll just
never be that good.
And, you know, the fans are desperate here in New York.
They want a winner.
You know, whenever they win a game, the fans are all fired up.
So they deserve, you know, something a little better.
than what they have right now.
All right, last thing.
Next week, I know you'll be in New York.
I'm going to try and be in New York as well for the Champions Classic,
which, you know, look, yearly kind of doesn't disappoint.
You know, it's kind of Duke's going to be interesting this year because they don't have
the best freshmen, right?
They don't have Zion, I think, you know, Cole Anthony and obviously, you know,
between Georgia and North Carolina probably have the two best prospects, right?
Kansas has what looks like a ridiculously talented team,
but they're under the cloud of the NCAA investigation.
Michigan State is very highly rated,
but again, Michigan State still kind of only has one guard.
Like, I don't know, I still feel like they're so beholden to Cassius Winston to make plays
that that may end up ultimately being their demise.
Give me your kind of early thoughts getting ready for the Champions Classic.
Yeah, a couple of things there you mentioned.
I mean, I did a big story yesterday on Forbes about, you know, there's going to be 60 or 70 NBA scouts at the event like there are every year.
And last year, you know, they came away kind of waving about RJ and Zion.
And this year, if you look at like the mock drafts like Jonathan Giovanni's mock draft on ESPN,
there isn't a single top 10 projected draft pick on these four teams.
You know, the number one pick is projected as James Weissman at Memphis and then Anthony Edwards at Georgia.
Cole Anthony, Lamello Ball.
So it's kind of a weird year where Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, Michigan State.
They don't even have the top 10 guy, the highest projected guys like Khalil Whitney,
who's a freshman at Kentucky, and he's about number 11.
Now, that said, both teams have, you know, good players and good freshmen,
but there's no Zion or RJ here.
You know, I think just taking a step back in a college basketball season,
you know, there are teams with experience, Kansas, Michigan State,
Staten Hall, I think you could put in that category, Florida.
And then you have some of these, you know,
one-and-done teams, Duke, Kentucky, Memphis.
And in recent years, you know, we've seen,
Doug that the teams that have won have generally been these older teams.
You know, Villanova won it twice with experienced teams.
Carolina won it.
Virginia won it.
Really only two teams in the decade or so of the one-and-done
who've relied on freshmen have won it.
Duke in 2015 and Kentucky in 2012.
So, you know, that being said, the odds seem to be against Kentucky or Duke or even, you know, Penny Hardaway's Memphis team winning it this year.
And it would seem to be, you know, Michigan State, Kansas, you know, Seed Hall, you know, type of year.
Yeah, I would say this.
And look, Kansas has a ton of experience, right?
with Garrett, Abaji, DeSuzza,
Yudoka as a bouquet, you know, who's just never been healthy.
They do have the ability, I think, to go small.
But I think the thing that all four of these teams have is
they have returning starter at point guard.
And, you know, like, Trey Jones, I think, can lift Duke.
You know, Duke may not have it, but, you know,
it's like if his brother hadn't left,
how many more national championships would Duke have?
Duke have and Trey Jones stays and granted I don't think he would have been a first round
draft pick but who knows anyway so you have you know I think Dotson is a tremendous college
guard I don't know if he can shoot it well enough to ultimately be a pro but he'll play be an NBA
player I don't know how good and then of course you know Michigan State might have the best
returning point guard in terms of leader and then Hagan's being back for for Kentucky I think
And they add Nate Sistina in who transfers in from Bucknell as a grad transfer.
So you have experience at the point, and then you have a grad transfer who he's not an NBA player,
but he's a really good college player.
So I think this will be better basketball than is normally played at the Champions Classic,
specifically because you have the experience of the point guard position.
Yeah, I mean, it's funny.
You know, we're talking about, I think, at least two sophomores there, right,
Tray Jones and Ashton Hagan and Dotson are all sophomores, right?
So we're at the point now in college basketball, Doug, where we're calling sophomores, you know, experienced players, which is pretty funny.
But, yeah, everything you said there is right.
I do think Kentucky, you know, as a potential will be really, really good.
I'm interested to see, you know, they've got a lot of guards and wings.
You know, Hagan's kind of blossomed into the point guard last year and then they have all kinds of wings.
Khalil Whitney is a super bouncy, you know, athletic future NBA wing,
Keon, Brooks, you know, Johnny Jusang, Dante Allen, all these guys.
And then they have, you know, a couple big guys who couldn't make it to the NBA yet.
Nick Richards, E.J. Montgomery, and then Nate Sastina coming in.
So I think they're going to be pretty deep or pretty loaded.
Duke, you know, we'll just have to see, right?
If it's a lot of young guys plus Trey Jones and a couple older guys, you know,
I think you've got to think Michigan State and Kansas are going to be in the mix for Final Four national championship the whole way.
You know, Kansas is going to be kind of have this cloud of the NCA investigation over it all year.
They seem to be having fun with it.
They have Snoop Dogg at their, you know, late night with the fog.
So it'll be interesting how Bill Self and Sean Miller and coaches who are under the cloud sort of handle that all year.
Yeah.
For Duke, you know, I've seen Cassius.
Stanley obviously growing up out here.
He's actually older than Trey Young.
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Okay, so a couple quick things.
obviously the Kyrie stuff
however
Jackie McMullen got it right or got it wrong
I don't really care
the point is that Kyrie can be a pain in the ass
can shut down on dudes
can be a weird kind of difficult personality at times
that's okay
can't have a locker room full of type A guys
or type E guys
there's going to be quirky dudes
I just I don't know whether he's a leader
and then Kevin Durant's a great player
but I don't know if he's a leader
I will say that KD so far
now he's breaking
and bred with first take.
And he does seem to at least be handling this very maturely and understanding by not playing,
he can kind of tiptoe into the whole New York market and feel his own superstardom.
My only question with the Nets is when KD returns, is he still the KD that was the best player
in the league before he got hurt?
The likelihood is no.
But I don't know.
He doesn't seem to be a guy that can be totally changed by losing a half step because he wasn't strictly
speed, quickness, and explosive.
One like Derek Rose when he lost.
lost his step, you know?
Like the Lakers, I don't like that Frank Vogel keeps mentioning Rajan Rondo, like he's
going to change them.
I think they're a point guard away.
We talked about that some last week.
But you can see Anthony Davis is, in fact, their best player.
And LeBron James is trying to figure out at this stage in his career.
Struggles to get by, people can make shots.
And they figured out if they can make him the third or fourth or fifth best defender,
now they're a really good defensive team.
The big thing with Rondo is, Rondo hasn't been good in.
years and has been great in 10.
Don't think he's a lockdown defender he used to be.
All right.
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What up? It's Dramos. You may know me from The Recap on LATV.
Now I've got my own podcast, Life as a Gringo, coming to you every Tuesday and Thursday.
We'll be talking real and unapologetic about all things like Latin culture and everything in between from someone who's never quite fit in.
Listen to Life as a Gringo on the IHeart Radio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brought to you by State Farm. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is
there. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind,
and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where SportsSlice comes in. I'm Timbo,
and every episode we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest moments in sports
and giving you the real story behind the headline. And we're going straight to the source,
the athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff
nobody gets to hear. Listen to Sports Slice on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you
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Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and
friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This
week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their
between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are
starving for banter.
Remember me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
What's up, guys? This is Clever Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff.
Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me.
He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What?
Time out.
Quarterback on office, Blue 42.
Hey, Rep. My mom, I want you.
to weigh better.
What?
Hey, Miss Parker.
Listen to the Clipper Show on the IHeart Radio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva,
and on my new podcast, How Hard Can It Be?
I call on my Gen X squad from Ohio to Hollywood
as we navigate Midlife's most fantastic BS.
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