The Herd with Colin Cowherd - All Ball - Avery Bradley's Mixed Messaging; Maryland HC Mark Turgeon on Learning Under Larry Brown, Roy Williams, Bittersweet 2020 B1G Title

Episode Date: June 25, 2020

In this episode, Doug explains why he thinks the NBA's Disney World bubble plan continues to look like a bad idea, and why he he's struggling to understand Avery Bradley's mixed messaging for not wanting to play when the NBA season resumes. He's also joined by Maryland Head Coach Mark Turgeon to discuss playing at Kansas and coaching under Larry Brown and Roy Williams. He also looks ahead to how he plans on continuing to bring Maryland back to prominence. Make sure you download, rate and subscribe here to get the latest All Ball Podcasts! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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guest at you and I think you will love it. But we're talking to Tursh, a lot about kind of his upbringing as a player and a coach growing up in Topeka, Kansas, playing for Larry Brown, coaching with Roy Williams, and then becoming a head coach in his own right. Kind of the juxtaposition of those two coaches and those two styles is fascinating to me. But before we get to Turs, and I think you're really going to enjoy the interview, let me give you just a couple of thoughts about the NBA getting back underway in Orlando. I've said it before. on TV, on radio, and I think on this podcast, I'm not a proponent of the bubble idea. I think it's one of those, hey, two and a half months ago, this was a great idea for two and a half

months ago. But as time goes on and people start to go out and about, there's a reason so many people are popping up and testing positive for COVID-19, because we're no longer under quarantine. Athletes are not at a great risk. The numbers don't tell you. And if you're going to have them away from their homes, which you can, it provides them not, you know, seeing their parents or, you know, some of their loved ones or whatever. I mean, look, there's ways to do this at home sites like baseball is doing.

I don't understand what basketball is doing. Baseball, obviously, not a contact sport. Basketball is a contact sport. But I feel like the quicker you get back, the more we could have been treating guys and getting them through this. And, you know, now you run the risk of players coming down with COVID. if they can come down with COVID-19 while they're there, throwing a complete loop, complete wrench into what is a weird plan.

Additionally, you're going down to Disney World, which as of now the plan is for the place to be open with the exception of where the basketball bubble exists. That strikes me as odd. You know, do I think players have to be around their families? And many of them have young, young families.

If you could do it, that'd be great. I think they're supposed to be in a four days of quarantine, which is a lot. if you do it, that'd be great. If you don't do it, you can't do it. Is it that big a deal? Right? Is it that big a deal?

Because you've been home for three months. You've been around your children when normally you're in the meat of the season. I know Janus was a big proponent of having families there because he just had a baby. But, you know, look, if he had just had a baby, he would have been getting ready for the NBA finals. anyway. Like, that's kind of poor planning. It just is. And as for Avery Bradley, I don't agree with the idea of trying to, trying to have social justice and trying to find ways to donate your time instead of playing basketball

because basketball is the distraction. I don't agree with that at all. I think it's an argument which I'm willing to nod my head and willing to listen. But then when I look at him like, no, that's not really. The best way that you can get, have your voice heard is to play in an NBA championship, isn't it? And oh, yeah, by the way, use all the money that you make or whatever amount of money you make and donate to causes.

And then you're going to have a lengthy offseason at some point. So I don't. And the problem with David Bradley's thing is not just that he's doing it for social justice. He's also saying, oh, yeah, by the way, my six-year-old kid has respiratory issues and he can't go. so we're not going to go. Like, which is it? Are you blaming your kid or are you blaming social injustice?

Because you're splitting votes by saying both. No matter how real it is. I think he's kicking away a golden opportunity. And look, he has a player option. So it's not like there's anything the Lakers can do if they don't want him back. But it would be very, very awkward to have him back next year, considering what they have to do defensively at the positions that he guards. Lou Williams in the Western Conference Finals is unguardable.

Like, man, I wish we had somebody who is a great guard perimeter defender. Oh, yeah, what happened to Avery Bradley? Yeah, he's at home because his six-year-old kid from Austin can't make the trip. Like, what? Your kids can't make most trips. This one's just longer than others. So, look, I'm going to call it a bullshit here on Avery Bradley. Like, you partnered up with Cary Irving and said that social injustice,

you think that this is a distraction that play basketball. Like, if that's your sole reason behind not wanting to play for the Lakers, thinking that's more important, I'll dispantle that in a second. And I greatly disagree with it. Look, you're allowed to have all of these opinions, and I'm allowed to tell you I disagree with your opinion. And I think I feel like you're wrong on this. But whatever, if that's your sole reason,

why are you throwing out that your six-year-old won't be able to? Like, the idea your six-year-old was, for people who don't know, the rules are when your family flies, there to Disney, they have to be quarantined for four days. Now, if it's quarantine within like your hotel room or your suite or whatever, four days with, you know, six-year-olds is oldest. So he's got younger, like that sounds a lot of people aren't bringing their kids, especially right away. They're not. So eventually their kids may visit them and they may, they may, they may lessen these rules.

But the idea that you're going to be able to achieve social justice. By not playing, I can't help you. I'm not sitting here saying that, that, and this is a big thing because I think sometimes when you portray things and you parachute in, you're like, well, it's got like this, is he that, is he, whatever. I'm somebody that, like anybody, is against racism, against police brutality and thinks that there needs, to me, I think there's got to be a lot of change in the training. you know some of the laws some of the drug laws are one of the reasons that the numbers have been so skewed

I believe against black people and why the incarceration level is so high there's some other things within the black community which I've read I haven't lived so I can't necessarily express my feelings on because they're not my feelings but I look there's a need for reform there's need for reform all of that said You also need continuing education and you need money for these things. And if you're as passionate as many of these men who are super successful are, look, I don't want to tell them how much money they got to give. But you really want to help? The best way to help is to win a championship.

Make it part of your championship run. Make it part of your social media feed. You're able to broadcast yourself at any moment on your social media feed. You're able to broadcast everyone in any other media. Like, we'll take any of these guys. from their hotel rooms or whatever. Like, you have a way bigger platform and a chance to make a change,

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He's like, well, it's one of the reasons I'm staying home. Plus, I got a six-year-old that can't make the trip. Like, come on, man. And you got limited, maybe one chance ever to win a championship. Now, he's got a player option. with the Lakers. I guess he's going to pick it up. But, you know, how does that work if one, he gets replaced by somebody better of J.R.

Smith or if they go out and get Darren Collison and they perform well, do they even want a back or two? Do you want a guy back who basketball wasn't the most important thing? I, look, I understand that we're in this time where you're more than an athlete. You're allowed to be. But one of the things LeBron James says, and he's right, is keep the men. main thing, the main thing. The main thing is hoop.

That is the avenue that will lead you to these off-ramps of post-career success. These guys aren't keeping the main thing, the main thing. There's nothing wrong with being a great basketball player, being one of the best 100, 200 basketball players on the face of this earth. And then using that and using success and chance play for an NBA championship or all the things that you want to change in the world. I don't think this is a great strategy. and I think it's really a bad strategy to add in the kid thing.

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Brought to you by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Administration for Children and Families and the Ad Council. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Doug Gottlieb show weekdays at 3 p.m. Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the IHeart Radio app. Let's welcome him in. He's Mark Tursion, the pride of Topeka, Kansas. First basketball memory is what? Oh, gosh. Probably playing in the driveway with my dad, and my brother would be my first basketball memory. My dad was a good player, and he dribble between his legs,

and we were always trying to dribble like him and chase the ball between his leg and stuff. So I was probably, you know, three or four years old, remembering, you know, back to then. All right, you had four siblings, your brother, older or younger than you? Older brother, older sister, and then two younger sisters. Okay, so your older brother, what was your guy's relationship like? Like, was he your idol? Was he mean to you? Like, what was that like growing up?

I think it was a little bit of everything. I think he wanted to do what he was doing. I think he made me tougher because he was at times mean, but I'd like to hang around his friends. His friends were two years older, and we were always out, you know, playing some type of sport. So I think it kind of helped me grow up quicker, be a little bit tougher, you know, throughout the process. But, yeah, I always trying to do, you know, what he did. And he was always real protected of me, too. I remember that as a child. He was always looking after me and making sure I was in good shape. When was there a moment when you're like, all right, basketball

is my jam? Because you weren't big. I mean, you're not big now. You weren't big growing up. I'm just, was there a moment you're like, this is what I want to do? Yeah, I always liked it. You know,

like you said, I, let me rephrase that. I always loved it. I just always remember playing basketball all the time. Whenever I could, I was outside playing basketball. But probably didn't,

you know, I was pretty young, pretty good at a young age, and then everybody kind of passed me by and grew past me. And I think it was probably, uh, towards the end of my junior,

year high school. I was like, okay, maybe I have a chance to play college basketball. And I grew a little bit, which helped. And I was always a very confident kid, but I was also realistic. And then probably towards the end of my junior year, I realized I had a chance to play college basketball. Okay, so your senior year, did you commit before your senior year after your senior year? No, Doug. I wasn't recruited. So I was, when I committed to Kansas, I was 5, 8, a half, 125 pounds. It was after my senior year, we had won back-to-back state championships. KU had let Ted Owens go and hired Larry Brown.

So the timing was, you know, really good for me. He, like, you know, he was shorter, like shorter point guards. Thank God they had 15 scholarships back then instead of 13 that they have today. So I was the 15 scholarship. And it was more, it was more kind of a one-year walk-on deal, but they gave me a scholarship. just to kind of prove myself, and of course, everything worked out. All right. We'll get to the college in a second.

You mentioned back-to-back state championships at Hayden High School. And I think as we've come to learn from the president that Kansas City, at least where Kemper is, is in Missouri. So where is the state championship played in Topeka? Well, they were spread out all over. Ours was in Salina, Kansas. I played at the Civic Center several times. I actually played with the Salina Rattlers in the IBA for like a week. Wow.

Yeah, so we used to fill that building. You know, we had a great following when we played. We'd fill that building up for our state championship games. And, yeah, it was a good run. It was, we had a lot of fun. We stayed at the Red Roof Inn right on the highway there. And I think we had four in a room. And it was just, you know, a lot of fun.

And we expected to win. We had good teams and great coach. and we expected to win and we were able to do it twice. Okay, so in 1983, you show up on Kansas, at Kansas, as basically like a recruited walk-on, you know, we'll give you a scholarship or whatever. Yeah. And obviously, you know, growing up in Topeka and people don't know, it's, you know, just, what, 30, 45 minutes, I think, from Lawrence.

If I remember correctly, is that accurate? Is that that? Yeah, driveway to my dorm room, which. 28 minutes. Okay. So you walk into the fog. What do you remember about your first moments as a Jayhawk? Yeah, so my first day of pickup, we were actually at Lawrence High School because camp

was going on. And I don't know if you remember Tony Guy. Tony Guy was a guy from Baltimore. It was a great player at Kansas. He was about 65-66. And I ended up guarding him in the pickup game. And he was destroying me. And, you know, the first day goes by, and I remember calling my dad,

and I said, Dad, this isn't going to work, man. I don't belong here. These guys are so much better than I am. And he said, just stick with it and see what happens. And, you know, we had great games. A lot of NBA players in town, a lot of former players in town, a lot of great players on our team. So you got real competitive. If you lost, you had to sit, you know, for 30, 45 minutes.

So you always were trying to win. But got a lot better that summer. Got a lot bigger, a lot stronger. And, but I just remember being overwhelmed that, you know, first few weeks. Sure, sure. I mean, that was really more practice for me. You're like, you're making yourself sound like you were Robbie Benson in one-on-one. Do you remember that movie?

Yeah, yeah. No, practice was the same. You know, first, you know, I realized that it wasn't high school anymore. Coach Brown was, you know, he'd get after you in practice. We practiced a long time. But I pretty much knew, you know, once practice started that I, I was one of the better point guards on the team. It was just whether I was going to get the opportunity.

And, you know, but I didn't know where I stood until our first game. We played. Our first game was against the five slamma-jama. Yeah, Houston. Yeah, that lost the year before to North Carolina State and Jim Valvano in the championship game. And we're on CBS Sports. And I just remember I was sitting on the bench. I was mad at Coach Brown.

He started Ted Boyle or Jeff. year, one of them, and then brought the other one in before me, and then finally gave me a chance. I was so pissed when I went in there. I wasn't scared and played well. And then everything kind of went great after that for me that freshman year. But we got rocked pretty good that day, so it was kind of, you know, got to play against the Kim the Dream and some really good players and realize what it was like at that level. Okay, so what was it like?

Because Fais Sama and Jamet has become kind of this mythical, you know, the greatest team to not have accomplished it. Obviously, the year before was the NC State thing. And that was it old Hoff Hines before they just obviously recently redid it. What was that team actually like? Well, Dreckler was gone. So it was Alvin Franklin and Akeem and Akeem the Dream. And I don't remember who the other players were in that terrible because I was worried about the point guard.

But no, they were talented and they were good, and they whipped us pretty good. And it was Coach Brown's first game. And to be honest with you, Doug, that was my first flight on an airplane, flying down to Houston for that game. So there was a lot that happened to me. And then, of course, it was on national TV, CBS Sports. But they were good. I don't know what they did that year if they made it back to a Final Four,

which would have been 83, 84, but they were a good team. They were much better than us at the time. Okay, that team went 32 and 5. They went 15 and 1 in the Southwest Conference. They won the Southwest Conference tournament, and they lost Georgetown in the Final Four in the National Championship game. Okay. They were pretty good. Yeah.

We ended up finishing second in the Big Eight. But you won the Big Eight tournament. Right? Eight tournament. Yeah, we won the big eight tournament. Beed Oklahoma. And, you know, they had a great team. William and Tisdale and we played really an almost perfect game to beat them.

And they had beat us about two weeks earlier in overtime and Allen fieldoffs to win the league. And they cut down the nets in our building. And that didn't sit well with us, obviously. So we were pretty fired up to playing in the championship game. Okay, so I guess the biggest question I have, and I've watched, my dad actually grew up playing ball with Coach Brown. I've gotten a chance, you know, when he was at SMU to cover Coach Brown. But you know him better, having coached with him, having played for him. When, I mean, like, look, I love Ted Owens.

He's always super kind to me. He's an absolute gentleman. But to go from Ted Owens to the very next year, finishing second and winning the Big Eight championship. This is, this is obviously before you guys got Danny. What, what was it? What, what did, what was it about Coach Brown that he was able to, for example, at Kansas, turn it around so quickly? Well, we had good players, one, but I'm not going to say anything away from Coach Brown because we were young. Calvin Thompson, Ronnie Kellogg, and Greg Drilling were all on our final 14. Their senior years were sophomores, and they had terrific

sophomore years that's senior in Kelly Knight. But, I think what coach did that year was he adapted to his talent, and we played a lot of zones, and that enabled me to play at my size. But he worked out, he, you know, he had people come in, help him teach zones. He didn't like to play it. But he was just a teacher. You know, he was relentless in individual improvement. He was relentless in one more time.

Let's do it one more time. Let's run three down one more time, which met, you know, 15 more time. and he was just relentless in that approach and you know because you were so drilled I mean you were just drill shell drill was an hour

you know and you know how tough shell drill is and shell drill was an hour and it was just he was just relentless in his approach that way and then you know he would tear you down and build you back up tear you down build you back up

and then he'd make individually he'd meet with you and you make you feel like a million bucks. So that was his way of keeping you confident. But when you're in the middle of it, you really don't really understand his expertise because you're just like a grind and next play. You're trying to survive his practices.

But then as you get a little bit older and get to watch him, and, you know, as a GA and then, you know, being with him with a six years, you got to see that he was just, his mind was remarkable. And the thing that made him special, Doug, is he loved the scrimmage. So we would do drills

for hours and shell drill and then we'd scrimmage for an hour and a half put 10 minutes on the clock last one

and I meant we were going to do four more of those right and we'd go up back up back like

six crossing which was a lot for him not to stop it and he could remember three or four things from each crossing

and correct all and it's meant he stood there for a while that's where practice was long but his mind His mind was incredible.

I think it was almost a blessing and a curse because he could see so much. You know, and when you have to do early, especially early season, when you're working with 10, 12 guys trying to get them ready to see both sides, the offense and defense. If you're working on offense, he'll be able to see what the defense is doing. And he was a master at that, and his mind was incredibly sharp. Yeah. Okay, so that year, Danny is at Lawrence High School, right?

Right? And Ed is on the staff. You know, like, I've read season on the brink, so I know what it was like for Damon Bailey to be coming, you know, as like an eighth grader. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending. Opinions are flying. And nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in.

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Well, obviously we're excited because Danny was a great player, but we're more excited because we got to know him, and he was a great kid. And he was very humble. What's kind of a reluctant star, to be honest with you, because, you know, we had, like I said, Greg Dreiling played in the NBA, Ronnie Kellogg drafted, Calvin Thompson, you know, really good players. And so Danny kind of wanted to take, you know, take his time. growing into the role, but, you know, by the sophomore year, he was so terrific. So it was good. We knew we had a bright future. That first class, Coach Brown brought in was actually the first one was me and Chris

Piper and Cedric Hunter, who, you know, we were all afterthought, and we all had pretty good careers there. And then the next class was Danny, Milt Newton, Shotgun Campbell out of St. Louis, Rodney Hall. is a really like top five recruiting class in the country, top three or four or whatever. And, you know, Danny and Milt made it big. The rest of them really didn't make it because we had such good players. But, you know, you could see it.

We had Caliper, R.C. Buford. We had unbelievable coaches, Alvin Gentry, guys that were, you know, gone on and done tremendous things in our business. But, yeah, we knew we were always going to have good players. and you knew you couldn't relax in the summer because Coach Brown was going to really recruit well and you had to get better. You get done playing in 87.

You guys have been to a Final Four. You're a team captain. You're on the academic all-Big A team. You're like a cult hero there, right? And what made you decide to go into coaching? Well, you've heard, Doug, I was sitting in Coach Brown's office after my freshman year, and I was up to about 140. 45 pounds, braces and acne all over my face and thought I was pretty good.

And he goes, Terge, what do you want to do? And I just broken Darnell Valentine's assist record. And he was a guy idolized growing up. So I'm walking into his office thinking I'm this great player, right? And he says, what do you want to do? And I said, coach, come on. I'm going to play in the NBA. And he looked at me and he says, Terge, you have no chance of being an NBA player.

He said, but I do think you can be a pretty good coach. and I, you know, I remember like my mouth probably fell wide open and just like, holy, this guy just went right at me, right between the eyes. And by the time I walked out of that office, I knew I wanted to be a coach and I wanted to coach in college. And we kind of approached it that way the next three years. Whenever I was on the bench, I'd sit in that first seat so I could watch him coach and listen to the other coaches. and, you know, I'd come early to practice and just be a part of different things. So I knew after my freshman year that I wasn't an NBA player and to start thinking about being a coach.

And it was really the best advice that someone could give me at the time because I was pretty caught up in myself and was delusional that I had a chance to play in the NBA. If you love to be remembered as the person who gives the best birthday gifts, I'm here to tell you that 1-800 Flowers.com is your ultimate birthday gift. Gifting destination. 1-800 Flowers has thoughtful and artfully created options that are guaranteed to deliver the best birthday surprise.

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start exploring at discovertheforest.org. Brought to you by the United States Forest Service and the ad council. Okay, so you get done playing. How quickly did the job get like was it Was there a discussion over it? Did you just move into an office? Like, what was the process like of finishing up and then becoming a coach on the staff? That was hard. It was really hard to become a coach and, you know, and not want to hang around the players and not be with the players.

You know, we had a huge staff. If you can look back at pitchers. So I think we had three guys in my position at the time. It was John Robic, who's with Califera. at Kentucky, David Moe, Doug Moe's son, and myself. And we were all kind of like GAs, and we'd just taken over for Bill Self and Philly Baino and guys like that, Tommy Butler's and R.C. Buford's. And so didn't really have a lot of responsibility except to come to practice. We did some mailouts. We did some things. I was pretty immature at the time. I just remember

coach Brown, you know, just helping coach the JV team and going to practice and doing a little bit of office work each day. But it was a tremendous year, one, because we won the national championship. But I could sit back with no pressure of being a player, no pressure of really not having much responsibility with the team except to watch and learn, you know, and I do drills. I help with camps. I help set things up. But it wasn't like they depended on me every day. So it was really just kind of a gap year for me just to watch and learn and take notes and remember. And I remember that year like it was yesterday. All the things, probably a lot better than I do, the games that I played in,

just because I was just more relaxed and I can remember. I write things down as we went through it. So it was kind of a gap year learning and, but just a tremendous, it was an unbelievably fun year for me. I was going from a player. Okay, so let's challenge you on your knowledge of that year, because it was really an interesting year, right? There's, you played Kansas. People forget you played Kansas State four times, right?

And you played the national championship game in Kansas City against Oklahoma, also from the Big Eight. And so you played OU three times. I was a year where, you know, without any question, that was the best league in the country. But you guys had this, you know, you started off losing what the, your two games in Hawaii. And then you had a really bad stretch, I think, to begin the Big Eight.

What was that season like and why was it so up and down? Well, first of all, we had a lot of new guys. We were trying to bring into the fold. I mean, we still had Chris Piper, Danny, Manning, Milton, Kevin Pritcher was a sophomore. And we really didn't have a point guard. Otis Livingston came in, and Otis has done really well. the business that he's in now, and our chemistry wasn't very good.

So we had a lot of players. There wasn't a lot of separation. We didn't really have a true point guard. I'm not sure exact date, but we had some changes in our roster. We had some guys that were on the team that were no longer on the team. We brought some football players on the team, Marvin Maddox, and some guys that were just Clinton Moore, just great, great, solid people that helped us win. So at one point, we were 12 and 8.

And we had just lost, I think, at Oklahoma State. And I remember sitting at the front of the bus, and I said, Coach, because Coach wanted me to redshirt the year before, he was having trouble getting a point guard. And I just didn't know it was the right thing for me to do, and I didn't do it. And I said something like, Coach, I should have redshirted. And he said, no, Turs, we'll be fine. We'll be fine.

We'll be all right. he killed these guys, man. I tell you, we started, we started practice every day with shell drill. We'd go for an hour as shell drill. And it was really, it was really hard for me because I'm like, I'm one of them still, right? And, you know, the losers would run the 64, and then he'd be like, that's not enough. We'd get back on it. We'd do it again.

And, I mean, we went from 12 and 8, and, you know, we lost three home games. We lost the case. I never forget. I was out the night before. I was having a good year. I was out a bunch of K-State fans. We had won 53 or 55 straight home games. And it's Mitch Richmond. And I'm like, all right, well, we're going to get 56 tomorrow. Well, they came in and beat us and broke the streak, which started my freshman year. And we lost to Duke at home in a close game. And we lost to Oklahoma in a really close game.

And we got to play all three of those games, all those three teams. in the Elite 8, Final 4, and National Championship games. But they're all close losses game, and so we were getting better, getting better, getting better. And I'll just never forget, he did the same thing every day. And the day before game, he worked on press offense, he worked on zone offense. And it was only to be like seven or eight minutes, but he just, he had us so prepared for everything. And then he really loosened up. Him and Danny developed a, I don't know, I want to say love-hate relationship.

but he allowed Danny to coach the team a little bit more. We were playing music on the bus. We were really having a lot of fun. And we just got hot. Now, we lost in the Big Eight tournament to K State and the semifinals. A lot of guys were – I could have this wrong. It might have been my junior year. But we had a lot of guys sick.

And then we just kind of caught fire. There was an upset, Vanderbilt upset, I think, NC State. and sweet, you know, Murray State beat somebody, and it was just one of these deals where it kind of worked for us up until the elite eight, and then we played some, you know, number one or top seats. And by that time, and if you look at the scores, Doug, and I know I'm talking a lot, but if you go back and look at the scores, the Sweet 16 game, Vanderbilt, we're up like 16 to 4.

K-Stade game was a hell of the game, but I think we jumped on them. The Duke game in the final four, we jumped on them. 10 or 12 to nothing. So all that shell drill stuff that we were doing was carrying over. And, you know, guys were playing with confidence. Coach shortened his bench up until the national championship game. And then all of a sudden he played guys that hadn't played in two or three games. But guys were playing with confidence.

And we were prepared. And, you know, I think the first round was in Nebraska, which was close to home. And then, you know, second round was in Nebraska. to Detroit, and we played out of our minds in Detroit, and then we come home to Kansas City, and we were just terrific. And maybe one of the greatest, you know, one of the better, you know, top 20 national championship games ever was the first half of that Oklahoma Kansas game.

I believe it was 50 to 50 at halftime, and just an amazing game. You know, what's amazing about OU in that game? And you mentioned that, you know, Mike Maddox got in, Lincoln Minor got a bunch of minutes, and Keith Harris and Clinton Normor and they played more minutes in that national championship game. On the other side, and, you know, people forget, I don't know how much nationally people forget, you know, Billy Tubbs, I mean, they would score a, they're running, they embraced the three-point shot before anybody else.

You know, Dave Seeger, I think he made seven threes in the national championship game, right? And they had Mukie Blaylock and Stacey King and Ricky Grace and whatever. Ricky didn't play particularly well. But they didn't, I think they only played one guy on their bench. They played six guys. Yeah. It was crazy, which would be awesome if you're a player,

but it's kind of counterintuitive to usually when you play fast like that, you play more guys. Yeah, it was crazy because first half, we hadn't been running, and all of a sudden, Coach Brown's just like, let's go, man. And we were running, and, of course, Oklahoma was playing into their hands. But in the end, it might have wore them out. They had terrific team.

And I think there's six men only played like eight. minutes in the game. And then the second half, if you remember, and it was one of the best half-time speeches I've ever heard. Because, you know, Coach Brown was a head coach at UCLA when they lost to Louisville with Daryl Griffith in that group. And the game was in Indianapolis. And he says, I'll never forget after the game, all the Louisville cars on the highways

driving back to Louisville, Orange Honk. And he says, we can have this same thing tonight, driving back to Lawrence, Kansas. You know, it's R-night, whatever, and it's 50 to 50. and, you know, Danny, you're the best player, and, you know, your best player on the floor, and you can bring this home. And it was just, I mean, I remember it like I was, you know, yesterday sitting in that locker room. And we just, you know, we were so fired up when we came out.

And then all of a sudden about this, I believe, around the eight-minute mark of the second half, he put the brakes on the game. And he started to laying. He actually started to laying with our big guy a little bit. We'd never practiced it. That's what was amazing about Coach Brown. We didn't talk about it.

We didn't do it. We just did it in the game. And our guys handled it well. I don't know if we were losing to control the game during that point, but coach got back in control the game and he got the game. Because he likes, you know, to call plays late in the game. I think he felt more comfortable dictating late in the game. But it was just masterful coaching, obviously, to win that game. For somebody who did not experience the Danny Manning era,

not just at Kansas. And he had a very good NBA career, but of course the injury early on with the Clippers probably changed like his career trajectory. If you were to describe to somebody who never saw him play, like this is what made Danny Manning one of the all-time grades, what would it be? Yeah, I think he's one of the top 10 college basketball players ever.

So one, he stayed four years, you know, which kids just don't do today. In today's world, Danny would have left after his sophomore year, maybe after his freshman year. But one, he was a great teammate. He could handle the ball. He could shoot it back then at 610. He could really pass it.

He could really handle it. He had a great feel and can score left and right hand around the basket. Danny wasn't a great athlete. He was just smarter than a lot of players that he played again. And I remember my senior year. It was his junior year. And we were a sweet 16 team, but we weren't nearly as good as the year before.

the 86 final four team or the 88 championship team. And, you know, he would have 25 and 8 at halftime, you know, his junior year. And I'd have 25 the whole big eight season. You know what I'm saying? And he'd go in at the halftown. We'd be up 12 and he says, turg, I'm not shooting at that. I'm going to work on my defense. So I'd throw the ball in to him.

He'd throw it back out. I'd throw it back in. He'd throw it back out. And I didn't want to shoot because Coach Brown would take me out of the game if I shot. And so, and finally the other team would come. back a little bit, I said, come on, Danny. And he ended up with 37, 38, whatever it was, whatever it took. But, man, the kid, the kid was, he was something else, and it could score in a variety of ways,

and just had great touch from all over the floor. Wait, so LB left and went to the Sixers. You went with him, right? Am I remembering correctly that that was the, or did you go to, or you went to Oregon first and then back to the Sixers? Yeah. Yeah. Last night, a blown call changed the game.

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and I stayed with Coach Williams for four years at Kansas. Okay, let me start with, let me say, so Roy Williams inherits, you guys were on probation the first year. I mean, and the stuff you're on probation for is like some of the most laughable stuff ever. But, okay, so you play for and coach with an all-time great, and then here comes in Roy Williams, who, you know, from the Carolina family, great pedigree, but a very different style. What was it like to coach with Roy Williams?

Well, when he got there, following Larry Brown and all the things we were going through. But you knew right away when he was a remarkable recruiter and great, unbelievable people skills. You spent time with him. You know how he is. And he taught me a lot of things that I needed to be taught. you know, how to work in the office, you know, how to recruit, you know, all the details that go into it.

And if you know anything about Coach Williams, he's one of the most competitive guys I've ever been around. And he had a philosophy. He believed in it. And he stuck to it. And he coached it every day. And he coached hard every day. And the guy just worked his ass off. I just remember all the red-eye flights he'd take to California.

He was recruiting a lot of guys. He'd come back. He'd fly the red eye and come straight to work. And then he'd have practice. The guy was incredible. He's still doing it today. And his work ethic and his competitiveness. But he had a belief system and he sticks to it.

And he has a great eye for talent. And he can really, really recruit. And he puts guys in position to be successful. And he has the style of play that's fun and kids like playing it. So he was, he was, I wouldn't be. where I am. I wouldn't be with either one of them. Larry Brown taught me so much, changed my life, gave me a chance of Kansas, and Roy Williams really helped me understand this profession and, you know, what it took to be successful in this profession. Okay, and I don't want to get too far afield,

but I am fascinated by the recruiting angle of it because I'll give you my perspective. I'm in Southern California at the time. My dad is, you know, back then it was a travel team coach right before a U team. And I think Adonis Jordan and Alonzo Jameson, right? The two first Southern California guys, I remember Coach Williams to recruit. And then it became kind of like a pipeline. And his thing to all of us as players was, like, he would come and whoever it was that he wanted, he would evaluate. He would sit midcourt. And you're like, wait, didn't they just have a game last night? And he would sit like midcourt at a practice or at a slamming jam game.

And, you know, like he looked perfect. Like hair looked perfect. Shirt looked perfect. And he wasn't gabbing, right? He wasn't BSing. He wasn't grabbing guys. He was just sitting there and watching. And whoever he was watching, like you knew, whoever the best player in the gym was,

that's who Roy Williams wants. And it was, you know, whether it was Paul Pierce or, you know, like you go, or became Eric Chenoweth. You know, but it started with with Alonzo Jameson and a. Donis, Jordan, those are the first two I remember. Yeah, Donis was the one we had to get. There was another kid that he had committed end up going to USC because of the probation. I can't remember.

If we don't get him, I can't remember. But a hell of a player played in the NBA. And coach had both of them, I think, at the time. And if you've ever sat down with Coach Williams one-on-one, or if you've ever sat in a conversation when he's recruiting you, it's pretty amazing. He's one of those guys that can make you feel really. good.

But he always had a plan for you type thing. And he was just flat out good at it. He just outworked people. He had a motto, if you want something bad enough, you better be willing to work for it. And he wants that on his tombstone. And he just never wants to be outworked. And so he's just done it his whole life.

If you know his childhood, what he went through growing up, and all the things he had to do to be successful, get into coaching, the things he did to be on Coach Smith, staff how hard he worked. You know, it's like, oh, I used to walk school six miles uphill in the snow. Well, he actually really did those things. You know what I'm saying? So he really, he's earned everything that he's gotten.

And what a lot. You know, the thing that's crazy, it's the really good ones, how easy they make it look. Because this shit's hard, man. It's hard. Coaching is hard. And it's hard for them, too. But I think for a majority of the years, you look at Roy Williams. Man, this looks easy for him.

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or part-time coach in me. Their styles are so dramatically different. As you point out, like Larry Brown, you know, you hadn't run all year and you start running in the National Championship game. Then you slam on the brakes and run delay game in the National Championship game, something you hadn't done even practiced all year, as opposed to Coach Williams, who, look, I can tell you exactly what plays he's going to run. I know out of every first time out of each half, he's going to either trap the ball or trap the first pass, right?

Like everyone, and he's going to do what he does and he's going to sub how he wants to sub. And it doesn't matter. What is that like for you? Because I feel like in watching you, coach, you're much more like Larry Brown, much more instinctual, feeling each game differently. what's that like the juxtaposition of those two styles? Yeah, they are different. They both work.

They're both Hall of Famers. So it just shows you there's so many different ways to coach. And that's really what I've learned. You know, I have a lot of great friends that are great coaches in the business, and they all do it a little bit different. But probably because I played for Coach Brown, I might coach a little bit more like him. I don't recruit as well as Roy Williams does or haven't been the coach at Kansas or North Carolina

and so I knew I coached against Roy Williams I don't know I'm like 0 and 6 or 0 and 7 oh and 8 against them I knew exactly what he was going to do I still couldn't beat him you do You know so they ran past this Keep them out of transition that is much easier said than done Keep them out of transition much easier said than done Yeah they're terrific at that

I just remember, you know, Coach Williams, we'd be right before half, we'd say two for one. He says, you know, he never cursed. He said, dad gumming, I want three for one. You know, he just wanted to run all the time. And but that's what makes him who he is. He's a gunslinger. And he likes old Westerns. And, you know, he's not afraid that, you know, the trap and do things, you're not afraid to take chances.

And that's what's made him who he is. And he's won so many darn games. Okay, give me the real Tad Boyle story. You guys played together. He goes into the business world. You were at Oregon, right? It wasn't at Jacksonville State. You were at Oregon, and you talk him into becoming a coach.

What's the real – we're going to have him on. What's the real story behind how it took place that you got Tad Boyle to become a coach in which he's an outstanding one today? Yeah, he's terrific. What he's doing in Colorado? I don't know if anybody will ever touch what he's done. But so Ted and I obviously stayed close. He was my captain. We hung out together in the summers.

He'd come, KU watch practice. We just remain really close friends, and we still are to this day. And so he was coaching at high school basketball, and he was doing great. He was really successful. And I think he took his team to the final four in state in Colorado. And every time we talk, he's like, coach, you know, Turch, I'm happy, but I'm not real happy. He was making six figures

in the mortgage business, not mortgage, but in the market and handling people's money and it shows how out of it I am. But he was doing really, he was real successful and I was like, you know, we made fun of him like, like, Dad, you take six vacations a year,

you're always on vacation. Why would you want to coach? And he's just like, well, down deep, I'm not really happy. So family-wise for him, He wasn't married at the time. It was a really good timing for him to come. I convinced Coach Green to hire him, and the rest is history.

I think Tad was with me at Oregon for two years. Jerry Green took the Tennessee job. I went to the Sixers. Tad went with him to Tennessee, and then I got the Jacksonville State job the next year. And then Tad was with me for nine years or eight years. Jackson, Wichita State. So it's an amazing story. His climb from Northern Colorado to Colorado,

you know, usually you go from Northern Colorado to Colorado State to Colorado, and he kind of jumped that, you know, hoop there. And I just remember trying to get him that job. And, you know, he's done amazing things. He's really, really smart. If you can handle people's money, you know, convince people to give you money to invest.

You can definitely convince people to give them your child to coach basketball. So it was a natural progression, recruiting and what he did in his business world. And he's just an excellent coach. And to me, he's a lot like Roy Williams. We're going to do it this way. Now, he adjust. You know, they adjust. They switch ball screens.

And he's changed over the years. but he believes in what he believes in and he sticks to it, and it's really worked well for him. You go to the NBA for a year. You've been it under Jerry Green. You've been under Roy Williams, you've been under, and you played for him, been under Larry Brown. You get your first head coaching job at Jacksonville State in Alabama.

That move 18 inches from assistant to head coach. What do you remember about, you know, you're running your first practice, you're a head coach of your first team? Yeah, well, I was lucky enough to coach. to J.B. Team at Kansas when I was 23 years old. I did it for four years. And so I got to run my own practice then. And of course, I had a couple of the greatest teachers of all time and Roy Williams and Larry Brown. So I was prepared. And I felt like I could always run a good practice. Okay. Now, we started out 2 and O at Jacksonville State. And I thought I had, I was like,

this is easy. I got a kid committed. The Hayes twins, Jarvis and I want to say Jonas. Hayes were supposed to come play for me. They end up going to Western Carolina. We're 2 and O. They're supposed to call me and commit, and I'm like, and this shit's easy. Why don't wait so long?

Well, the Hayes twins end up not calling to go to Western Carolina, and we lost like our next 11 games in a row. I think we were like 2 and 11. And I can't remember exactly what it was. At some point, we lost 11 straight game. And I realized how hard it was

and how recruiting was and establishing culture and all that. kind of stuff. So, you know, I felt comfortable because I coached JV for four years, coached game. I was very comfortable, always had been very comfortable in the coaching part. It was just, you know, growing into the administrative part, the recruiting part, as a head coach, that was all, you know, that was all new to me.

And, you know, making the final decision, who we're going to recruit, how we're going to recruit, how they were going to fit in, that was different. But, you know, we turned it around quickly. We, you know, I think our second class, our first class there, we signed eight or nine guys. We signed a few late when we got the job. Marlon Gurley, Richard Willie. Thank God they were starters sports, and they helped us be somewhat successful. But that second year, we actually lost a home game right at the end of the year to win the league championship.

Lost like two. Well, we would have won the league. And, you know, lefty was coaching him. that league at Georgia State. Samford was really good back then. Troy State had a really good team that year, and so it was a heck of a competitive league. We turned it around pretty quickly in our two years. You get the Wichita job, and you had a streak. I think you lost your first 11 games, right, at Wichita State? Now, it was the same thing. We started out, we started out 5 and 1. We beat Oklahoma State. It was

ranked 10. My first game of Wichita State was K-State. We beat them with Jim Woolridge. And we're 5-1, and our only loss was to Washington with Bob Bender, and a real close loss. And we had all those games at home. We had Kate stay-at-home. We had Oklahoma State at home, and we had Washington at home. And so we started out 5-1-and-one. Once again, I think it was easy.

And we ended up 9 and 18. And so we go 4-and-whatever the rest of the way, 4-18, the rest of the way. And I think we won two of our last three. And so it was an amazing stretch in there. We couldn't do. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying,

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for all our Survivor 50 takes. Listen to PodMeets Twirl on the IHeard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. win any games. We weren't very good. We knew we weren't going to be, but we established a little bit of a culture with some guys and brought in a really good recruiting class. And, you know, I think we went from nine wins to 15 wins to 20 wins to 21 to 22 to 23 to 26. We got better every year, like our first six years. But, you know, I was a grind. It was tough. But I had a great AD and I had a great president. I had a great staff. It was a lot of fun at a young age. And you remember that league, we had Dana Altman. Yep.

We had, um, my phone. Who was that Creighton? Doug McMurt. Uh, you had, well, you had, Dr. Dr. McDermott. Yeah, Greg, Greg McDermott was at Northern Iowa, right? Greg, Greg McDermott. And then we had, the Salukes were good back then, right?

You had, that was. Yeah, and Drake had Tom Davis. Yeah. He was one of the all-time great coaches. So, you know, you were able to cut. your teeth going against just great coaching every night. I'll never forget that. It was a tremendous coaching league.

For brevity, how are you, you know, what is it like for? You talked about Danny Manning's stays four years. You've kind of downplayed your own recruiting prowess, right? Because you're like your own worst enemy, whether it's at Maryland or even at A&M, DeAndre Jordan, for example, and others that you recruited, is that now you get to the bigger jobs. you sign some of these kids, but the process of holding on to them is really, really difficult. How has it changed you in terms of your recruiting focus, how you put together a team, the ever-changing landscape of how long you're going to have the five-star kids,

and how much you go after the five-star kids? Yeah, we don't sign a lot of five-star kids. Now, I go after them, and especially the local ones. I go after them hard. It doesn't mean I get them. I don't get all of them. A lot of kids haven't stayed home, but we've kept our share. You know, we knew Jalen Smith was a two-year guy when we signed him.

Bruno Fernando, I knew he wanted to leave. We weren't really sure. But after the first year, you were kind of, you know, like, yeah, he's going to leave after this year. He wanted to leave after his first year, which would have been, you know, really bad for his career. But guys like Kevin Herder, you know, he's not even a top 50 player in the country. and then he leaves up to two years. Those are the ones that kind of, even though you kind of see it coming,

you're not really prepared for it. Those are the ones who sneak up on you a little bit. We're in the same boat with Aaron Wiggins. I think next year, Aaron Wiggins will have a tough choice to stay or leave. He was not even the top 50 player coming out of high school and a lot of polls. But, you know, because I coached in the NBA

and because I coached at Jacksonville State and Wichita State when it wasn't great. You know, I've always been into player development, so it's something we take real serious and try to get better at. But, you know, we're trying to look at really good four-year players, and we're also trying to get the great ones. You know, we won a league championship last year because we had Jalen Smith.

And if we didn't have them, we wouldn't have won the league championship. So you need the great one. We like to keep the great ones home, you know, and if we all are, you know, a lot of those guys aren't going to be here all four years. You mentioned you win the league championship. You don't have the Big Ten tournament. You don't have the NCAA tournament. And like, look, it's been a fight.

It hasn't been easy for you at Maryland. You changed league. So there's the lack of familiarity. There's, you know, no matter how reasonable it is, there's the expectations of, you know, what Gary Williams was able to do during a stretch of competing for national championships. But that last year's team felt like, all right, you finally solidified your program as one of the elite ones in the Big Ten.

there's no payoff of the victory lap in the Big Ten tournament and in the NCAA tournament. What does that do to your program? I know to you, like, you're going to fight regardless of which. But what do you think having quarantine and cutting out the NCAA tournament did for your program, specifically the momentum you guys had generated? Yeah, we'll never know. The good thing is that we'd get to hang a banner that we won the – I thought the best league in the country last year.

Now, we shared it, but we were still on top. You know, Doug, my life's a grind. I was always really short. And for me to get where I am in life has been a grind. But I like that. Last year is just another example of, you know, one of my great, I've only had maybe three or four teams in 22 years that could advance to a sweet 16 and beyond.

And last year was one of them. And it just adds to the grind of my life. it is what it is. I do know the last six years since we joined the Big Ten, we've been ranked almost every week of those six years. We had some injuries. A few years back, Kevin Hurd's year, he was hurt, Justin Jackson was hurt, we had some injuries

that prevented us from being a really good team. But we feel like we've been a staple in the top 20. We feel like we're going to continue to be that way. It had cost us a little momentum. Yeah, it probably did. We didn't have a great spring as far as signing players. We lost out on a lot of them. You know, under a classroom of recruiting seems to be going well.

But life's a grind. It is. It's always been a grind for me. I wouldn't know. If it was easy, I wouldn't know what to do with it. And so we'll keep building. You know, we came here to hopefully win a national championship. We'll do it.

You know, 99% of it. of our fan base loves what we do. We do it the right way. We have good kids. We graduate our kids. 33 straight seniors. We have five with graduate degrees. You know, I'm going on and on. I love being the coach at Maryland. It's a great place to live. Great, great, great public university, one of the great public universities in the world.

And so we love it here. We just feel like we got a lot of great days ahead of us and a lot of great victories ahead of us. And hopefully we have that one year where everything comes. come together and we can, you know, do what Gary and his staff did and make a final four run, hopefully a national chance. All right, I got a couple quick ones, and then we'll let you go. A coach who we have yet to mention, and you may have no connections with him, that you've either, you've coached against or you've watched him coach, and you're like, that guy's

really good, and not enough people know that this guy's really good. Oh, man. Well, you know, I was always a Dana Altman fan. I always thought he was terrific and he's proven that at Oregon. You know, I felt that way about Tom Davis. You know, I'm trying to get some young coaches. I've coached against that are doing a terrific job.

But, you know, most of the guys at my level are all terrific coaches. You know, Chris Beard, obviously, has proven that he's a terrific coach in a short time, you know, doing it. So I'm probably, I'll probably think of it five minutes after we hang out. It's probably a great young coached again. You mentioned how much of a grinder you are. You have three kids and your wife, Ann.

So what was quarantine like at the Tursion household? They were like, who are you and what are you doing here at dinner time? Yeah, there's a lot of things that went on in our family I didn't know about. and I had to try to get corrected. And I know my youngest son was really hating that I was home and it was ready for me to go back to work. But I think it was good because, you know, even though we weren't allowed to go to the office,

you know, coaches, we're crazy. And if we're not working, you know, we're not happy. And so they were able to watch me do Zoom after Zoom, phone call after phone call, you know, work. And then I'd lose a kid that was. probably should have got, that clearly should have came to Maryland, but wants to start somewhere else, you know, and they saw the ups and downs with it. A lot of stuff that I left at the office or handled at the office or was on the road recruiting. And so they got to live

a little bit of the recruiting with me. I think they appreciate how hard I work in recruiting now, but it's been good, too. It's, you know, just to realize all the stuff that are on my kids' plates, on my wife's plate. A lot of silver lining in the quarantine. I were all ready for it to end and get back to normal. But there was a lot of silver lines. I think just being around my kids more was the biggest positive. All right.

We know you have to go. You've been more than generous with your time. I can't thank you enough. And just so you know, I wanted to go to Oregon. But Jerry Green was like, I'm never leaving Oregon. I got the greatest contract ever. I get the stipulation of my contract. It rolls over.

I get this big payout at the end of my deal. And then a week later, he puts on the Tennessee hat. And I was like, wait, what? I was just up there with Turs and Darren Kalish. And they just said, we're going to roll with this thing. I know. Yeah, that was all shocked to all of us. But, yeah, we recruited you hard, Doug.

I knew we had you. I knew we had you down. It all worked out. Do you know the game that I attended? The Arizona game. It's the only time we ever beat them. Yeah. So, a friend, for people don't know, this was the Arizona 1997 national championship team.

They lost to Oregon at the old pit, which is arguably the greatest college basketball venue I've ever seen ever been to. And you guys beat them. I also remember obviously hooping with your kids for the NCAA tournament. Let's have been great to me. I know you're busy. I really appreciate it. And say hi to the family. And thanks for joining us.

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