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Episode Date: May 16, 2020

In this episode, Doug is joined by his older brother - and Oregon State Assistant Coach - Gregg Gottlieb to discuss their impressions from The Last Dance as it heads into the final episodes, including the first unfiltered look at MJ's leadership style, and look head to 'The Flu Game' and 'The Shot' against the Jazz in the finale. Make sure you download, rate and subscribe here to get the latest All Ball Podcasts! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I appreciate you listen to this one. My brother Greg, who is a longtime assistant at Oregon State, before that at Cal, at San Diego State, before that at Sacramento State, before that at Cal Polys, St. Louis-Bispo. Anyway, we're going to talk about the Jordan Dock.

You know, look, I could get caught up in the Zion thing. We have plenty of time to discuss Zion, Duke, and whether or not somebody close to Duke gave them money or led them to believe they were going to get money to sign with Duke. We could talk about Kansas and the five level one infractions leveled against them. But, I mean, is that something that's going to change in the next week? No.

Is that something super pertinent? No, we're in this pandemic. And it's going to be really interesting to see what the sport looks like when it comes back online. NBA-wise, will come back obviously first. I would guess, you know, the teams opening their facilities over the weekend. I would guess that we'll get some form of basketball, some form in midsummer and how they do it. I don't know, still do be determined. Like, I'm fascinated by it.

But before we can get to that, like, let's talk about this documentary. I'm always fascinated by what differentiates, like, different kinds of leadership, you know? And I do think that while no one has ever questioned his great. greatness on a basketball floor. There were things that were questioned. I think us getting a look at his leadership or his leadership style, like to me, that's a, that's a fascinating thing that kind of goes under the surface for a lot of people. Is that fair, you think? Like, do you think, do you think they picked up, what were a couple of things leadership-wise you picked up on? Well, I mean, the first thing is I loved how he talked about, you know, he wasn't afraid for people

to not like him. I think anybody who's a great leader, you can't you know, whether you're a coach or a player, you can't worry about whether people like you, you know, and that definitely was Michael. And he led by example, you watch him winning sprints, even in practice. I love that. But the thing that stood out to me the most is I loved about how when the Pistons man handled him, he went back and said, you know what, I got to, one, I got to be more durable. I got to get stronger.

I got to put 10 pounds of weight on. But two, he made everyone else stay that summer and work. in the past everyone would just go their separate ways. And in the big thing, man, he was like, Scotty, you've got to get tougher. And so he made sure Scotty Pippen got tougher because he had that. He went melt down with the migraine and they couldn't count on him. And so he made those guys get tougher as a group. And he also wanted to find out who wasn't tough enough.

Yeah, that's always an interesting dynamic, right? And I think a lot of teams now, football, and basketball especially when they go through these years where you want to call it tanking or they're just kind of reorging themselves. I do think that's one of the things that they're trying to figure out. Like who's in this thing? If you can stay in this thing during the terrible times, you'll be in this thing for the good times. For him, he was trying to figure out who had the mental and physical toughness to win big.

And look, I still think that's a big. I still think that's a – people have said like the NBA doesn't have that level of physicality. They're probably right. But there's still a level of mental toughness that guys either have or do not have. And I don't know. Jordan, that to me is what kind of separated him to me is the – I love the line. I don't think he used it exactly the same as like you don't ask something of somebody else you're not willing to do yourself, right?

Like, have you heard that story about UNLV back in the Tark days when they were a great team on how all their assistant coaches and their managers? is they used to run with them. Obviously, Tart did not. But the idea was like, hey, you're not going to ask these guys to do what you're not willing to do yourself. I love that. I love that from a player, you know, from a player's perspective as well. I think the other thing, too, though, is you had to earn his respect after, you know,

he got there and he did all those things by leading. But, you know, he was going to challenge you and you needed to step up. And, you know, that was illustrated there with him and Steve Kerr going at it and getting in a fight. and I loved how, you know, you heard both of them talk about it from their vantage point, but they basically came to the same conclusion, you know, that Steve stood up for himself and Michael valued that. He was tough enough to stand his ground, you know.

So that was something I think was just as important. I think he wanted to make sure his guys were tough. Like I said, he goes back and says, you know, Scott, you got to get tougher, we're not going to win. I, you know, and he did. Scottie did. Yeah. On a side note, I'm looking around to those guys and saying, you know,

who's aged the most when you look at that? And Scotty Pittman, God, he looks the same. Yeah. He looks like he could still play. Yeah. Yeah, pretty amazing. Jordan, you know, he's obviously got that brown drink. He's got the, he's got the yellow and red eyes.

I mean, he's still Jordan, and you could see kind of lightbulbs still kind of go on, firing into competitiveness still kind of going on in there. But he's, he let himself go a little bit. No, I, no question. I actually was at the NBA Summer League last summer, and I was in a, going into a hotel, and I was in the lobby, and I said, hey, there's a Madras shot. And I didn't realize Michael Jordan was standing right next to him.

And I didn't realize until I got right up next to him, because he just does not look the same. I mean, he definitely has gotten much heavier. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I had a similar moment one time when I was doing the pre-draft camp back when it was in Orlando. I was at the wide world of sports. They had like a kind of sports bar right next to the milkhouse. And we were grabbing lunch and walking by Larry Bird and saying hi.

And look, Larry Bird still looks like Larry Bird, but he's wearing like penny loafers and like dockers and a polo. low shirt and he kind of just looked like an older guy. I'm like, God, that really ruined my image of Larry Bird. Maybe it made it. I don't know. I wanted him to, if I was Larry Bird, I would wear those converse weapons everywhere I went. That's what I would do. I would wear those converse weapons. Simply everywhere. Although the weapons were terrible

basketball shoes. But also, how about, you know, you were talking about what these guys are now, but I mean, the whole series, Michael Jordan's smoking a cigar the entire time. I mean, he's, he's, he's smoking him the day of games. He's smoking cigars playing golf. That's him.

He's amazing. Yeah. I mean, and then he said, you know, how guys would, when he first got to league, guys would bum a cigarette off the coach. I just, yeah, it is, it is fascinating on how it, how it's changed. What do you think about Phil from a, from a guy, you know, like, the genius to Phil to me gets undersold a little bit like you, If you watch it, you pick it up.

But I also think that they're not necessarily pointing it out to you because they're so enthralled with Jordan and with themes. Like when here's a couple of them. Everybody's going to point out when Dennis had to go to Vegas, how he ran it by Michael Jordan, and let it happen. I have heard that Pat Riley has done that with his teams, right? Like they win a game in the West Coast and they get on the team playing and they divert to Vegas. like that's an old Pat Riley trick. The one that struck me was when Jordan, his last meeting before he retired the first time,

he went in to see Phil and Phil supported him. And I thought like, again, just even the way in which he supported him where like, yeah, this is something you got to do. Like, go do it. It's one thing like, yeah, we'll support you and say it. It's another thing to have like positive energy. And I think that's what bought him equity with Jordan.

I think the really good. coaches are incredible at just managing men and especially in the NBA, you know, and I think he recognized like you know, one of those like if you love them, set them free type of thing. And, you know, he wasn't going to change Michael's mind and he knows how strong personality Michael probably was. So he's telling you he's going to retire, you just got to wish him well. And then I think maybe in his mind it could have been a play to say, hey, I let him go. And that way he'll want, if he wants to come back, he will,

as opposed to him harboring resentment for me trying to keep him from going. Yeah. You know, but the guy was incredible, really, in terms of that, like you said. And I'm sure there's a lot of other Phil Jackson stories in terms of how he managed that whole group, you know, through, you know, especially, you know, again, as you have more success, I mean, everybody on the Bulls became a rock star and they get all these other things come at them different ways.

And so being able to hold that group together for as long as they did, you know, because I'm sure at some point Scotty thought to himself, hey, I don't want to be a sidekick. You know, I'm ready to, I want my own show. Yeah, but then he had his own show for a year, and obviously that's when he bailed on the team when he didn't get the game-winning shot, and he realized that, like, every, you start to realize, like, every decision you make when you're the guy becomes prohibitively more difficult. I this this reminds me of my junior year in college at oklahoma state

Adrian Peterson was our best player right and Adrian Peterson was third all-time lean scored Oklahoma state preseason player of the year we were preseason top 10 team and Pete was a great player and honestly a really good leader he just was not a vocal leader like he just kind of did his thing you know he would say something to you you know he'd grab you and say something to you but he wouldn't he wasn't going to yell at the team he wasn't going to stand up in front. Like, that just wasn't who he was. Some guys are not built for that, you know, and you can't pretend to be something

you're not. And it was interesting in reading about Scotty Pippin, the year that Jordan was totally gone, the first year that he's gone, they loved the fact that Scotty really didn't change in his leadership style. He only took like one more shot of game. You know, he was, I think, third in the NBA. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind.

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you know, some of that tough love is needed. But like, did he really? I had George Carl on my radio show. George Carl's like, I don't even remember what he's talking about the dinner. And I've been with Jordan and been with a moderate shot and they've never mentioned it before. So like, did you really need to throw George Carl onto the bus, you know? And then, you know, Gary Payton, like, hey, you didn't let me guard him the first three games.

Like, yeah, that's because Jordan would have gotten you in foul trouble. but you would have sat the whole game, right? But it does feel like there's some like almost needless needling here late that you, that you don't need to, but that's Jordan's personality. And it only really worked not just because he had Phil as the coach, but because you had Scotty Pippen as the much more, much softer kind of Robin to Jordan's Batman. Whether you're a student interested in green energy, looking for a great new career or a seasoned building professional who,

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or you could look at it just from the basis of when you're the second, guy on the floor they're trying to stop. You know, it's maybe a little easier. You don't have their best defender guarding Scotty. Maybe over the period of the time after he, Michael is gone, he realized how much he appreciated Michael being the guy that carried the focus and then allowed him to do more. No question.

I think Scott was always a really good player, but I don't think he was a prolific scorer the same way that Michael was. And then, you know, who knows? Maybe he wanted him to put Tony Kukok in his place. So that's why he liked him coming back. It's possible. It's possible. Okay, so the next-

I love Gary Payton's thing, though, to me, you know, Gary Payton, you might be right. He could have gotten in foul trouble, but I think, you know, if you do have the league's best defender, you probably should guard the league's best player. Yeah. I think that was kind of his take. And the thing that I love about Gary Payton,

just like Michael is their level of confidence. And, you know, Michael's laughing. But Gary believes that, and that's how he played. And I think, again, those are those little details or what I think makes those guys Hall of Famers. Their level of confidence is incredible, you know, and Michael won't – he doesn't – he won't agree with him. But I'll tell you what, you're not going to change Gary's mind either.

Can I ask you this question? I don't think I've ever asked you. We've talked about confidence with guys you coach all the time. can you can you teach a guy to have his confidence or regain his self-confidence? Like what would be your way? I mean, I think over a period of time you can, but I think it depends how big of a rabbit hole they're in.

But yeah, I think confidence is so important. So you have to build it. I think what I would tell anybody is how important self-confidence is, and not on the surface. It's not, the self-confidence comes from within. It's not showing other people you're confident. I think a lot of people confuse the two, you know,

where you, that's kind of fake confidence. Confidence, you know, is just, you know, you miss a shot, you believe the next one's going in. And a lot of that stuff comes really from the work you put in. And you got to just, you know, whether it's the self-confidence from the work you put in in the gym, hours of shooting, but it could be the, as we talked about with Michael Jordan, the self-confidence, you go back in the weight room,

when you get stronger and tougher. It's playing those games with yourself in your mind when you're tired, that now is the time when I'm going to really push myself even harder. Those are the kinds of things I think that really matter. Because you build that self-confidence over time. I don't think Michael Jordan was that self-confident as a high school player. And even maybe at the beginning when he was in North Carolina, I mean, he wasn't the best player on that team.

No one would have picked that. There's two or three other guys, James Worthy, Sam Perkins. those guys were pretty good. Yep. So, but over a period of time, his confidence just continued to develop. So. Okay, so the last two episodes are going to be,

I would guess the flu game will be part of it. And then, you know, the, the shot to end it. Flu game is like, I mean, again, these are like my two favorite moments in his career. First, the flu game. I got to remember where I was, where I was watching it, and I don't know if it was food poisoning, if it was really the flu, if he was hungover, I don't know what it was.

I'm sure they'll probably, I'm guessing they'll go with food poisoning. I hope that, I don't, I don't really care what it was. Like, it's just the indomitable will, the ability, the ability to will yourself through all the pain, which is, which is crazy. But also, like, I don't, I still think it's interesting now. When guys shoot a fade away now, they go Kobe. And then you realize that Kobe copied Jordan, and I don't think he was ever as good at it as Jordan was, that mid-post fadeaway. What do you remember about the flu game?

Man, I remembered enough about it, but I do remember that dude was sick. Every time they had a timeout, they talked about it. He was over there sitting on the bench, and he was hardly even in the huddle. But I just remember he did rose to the occasion and found a way. And just like you were saying before, we were talking about self-confidence, but I always say that two. things I think they're going to make or break you as a player really is your mental toughness and self-confidence. And I mean, if that's not a test of your sheer sheer will, that he was able to block that

out despite, you know, the fact that he was feeling so poorly. And, I mean, again, you know, we've all been around a lot of really good players. Guys, when they get sick, they can't fight through that. Even guys that you think are relatively tough. So that was incredible. Yeah. That was incredible. Yeah, I was 19.

How about, I'm going to get on a side note, though, because you were talking about Kobe in the fadeaway. You know, when I'm watching this documentary, as much as people are talking about comparing him and Kobe, you know, I think you can make a comparison with Kauai just as easily, you know, mental toughness, self-confidence, work ethic, winner. Yeah, the only difference is that Kauai doesn't, hasn't played the number of games, hasn't put up, hasn't carried a team offensively for an entire season, you know. But I do, in the biggest spots I do, and they have both that big hands.

They're unbelievable in the mid-range. I mean, you know, both massively improved as shooters. They can lock you down. I think Kauai would probably even be a better kind of a defender in terms of better size and a better rebounder. But yes, I would agree. Like, there is something special about Kauai. And Kauai still got a while ago.

Yes. The book is totally written on him. So, but I, you know, I think there's a lot of similarities, maybe with all three of those guys, you know, but I think he's right up there. You know, he's going to have to win a couple more to be, I guess, in the conversation allegedly, but I think pretty damn good. By the way, the flu game, which he was, I mean, I just love this, I think that was the, they didn't win the title on that one. he had 38 on 13 of 27 shots 10 of 12 from the free-thel line and it was May excuse me June 11th 1997 in Utah and they end up uh they they won that game that that's amazing 38 points I mean that 38 points five assists seven rebounds really good players

they always you know you don't want to just get FGA you need to get FGM no doubt and uh You know, but I think Michael Jordan, we talked about this before. Everybody remembers the dunks, but all those other finishing shots. His mid-range pull-up, I mean, we about the game against the Celtics, 3, it was a 63? Yeah. You know, I mean, I always think of him with those little mid-range pull-ups right there. I mean, his pull-up game off the dribble was incredible right there. And he had such a great pair of legs.

He could get up and hold in the air and just make shots. Okay, so now we go to the last game. I mean, like, one of the things that I think people will remember when they watch, and I've watched it several times over, it wasn't just the shot. It was a couple things. It was he had the last three buckets and no one else, I believe, touched the basketball. They threw it to him in bounds, and they're down four, and he goes and he gets a bucket. Or maybe they're down two.

He goes and gets a bucket. And then Paxson hits a three. when they double Carl Malone, and he comes down, he gets foul, he makes two free throws. Then he steals the ball from Carl Malone, coming from the baseline side, and they don't call time out, he clears out, he gets to his spot,

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Plus, it's before the era of the flop and nobody's getting a call in Jordan. And he pulls up. And if people remember, and I only remember this because our late father used to tell us, told me at the time. He's like, and I don't know if Jordan meant this, and I probably say it on Sunday, which is he was short all game long. And he held that follow-through, not for the cameras. He held a follow-through because, you know, to make sure that he made it. I wish he didn't play in Washington. I don't even remember anything about Washington

other than he had some big games. I feel like that was a total postscript. But how incredible is it that, like, of all the things to end your career? And look, Jeter ended his career, you know, I guess in Yankee Stadium with a game-winning hit, you know, with a walk-off hit. We've seen other guys win Super Bowls, but we haven't seen a guy win a Super Bowl with, you know, scoring the last touchdown or throwing the touchdown pass as time expires like Jordan did. Big time play, but, you know, that's funny. First of all, the push-off thing, you know, I mean, every NBA player, at least guards, they all push off on every play. I watched James Hart. He does it on every play now.

So, I mean, it was just more obvious at the time because it was kind of, you know, didn't happen as much, but that was a hell of a play. Even in that game, and I think in the Phoenix game that they showed, the thing that blows me away is he gets like a transition basket. Was it the one where he got fouled in transition? Or was it right before that? I mean, like, these guys, like, in the Phoenix game,

they gave Michael Jordanian dribble going on the length of the floor, and no one picked him up and then whoever was the center came over and fouled them right at the end or something at a layup. You got the best player on the floor how did he get a layup? So that's from a coaching standpoint,

but there's no question. I mean, everybody does the, you know, three, two, one, and buzzer beaters when you're, as a kid growing up and to do it on that stage at that time, that moment, and to cap your career,

I mean, that's, I think kind of speaks to why everyone thinks he's the greatest player ever, you know. He always rose to the occasion in the biggest moment. And I think really that's where you get to find the most. I'm excited to see the last couple episodes. Let's catch up again next week. And thanks so much for joining me.

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I think great interviews and have good stuff for you that you can always get. One last thought. My brother talked about something that I'm a big believer in and what makes Jordan great and what made the Bulls great

and frankly makes all kind of the best of the best, the best. I still think the three Cs. And he talked about confidence. We don't, as broadcaster, as analysts talk enough about it. But confidence, it can come and go. Like, honestly, LeBron has lost his confidence in his jump shot at certain times.

And then gotten it back. But that's what happened in Dallas. That's what happened, you know, at times against the spurs where they dare him to shoot. And that's what happened at times. You know, it didn't really happen with the Warriors, but I think he maybe lost confidence in his teammates. One of the things that changed for Jordan was he gained confidence in his teammates. confidence, conditioning.

Conditioning. And conditioning isn't just, are you in great shape? Can you play at your best at the end of a game? And look, we ask ridiculous things of LeBron at times because he's not surrounded. We're told with the right kind of talent, but he's running out of gas. He's running a gas before. Crazy about LeBron is he doesn't get hurt, with the exception of the groin last year. Jordan seemed to be able to play through fatigue better than anybody.

in his era and maybe anybody ever. And then culture, right? And their culture was they played great defense. Their best player demanded that they play hard and played their best and played great defense. In addition to which, they had a great culture from, like, and I know some people like, well, they have a terrible culture that they're making fun of Jerry Krause. Yes, but it all kind of worked together. They, you know, they had the breakfast club where they all worked out in the morning,

you know, Jordan and Pipit and Harper worked out together in the morning. that helped him get stronger. They had a hierarchy within the team. Their best player and their second best player and only got along but played off each other really, really well. Like their culture worked, culture, confidence, and conditioning. And by the way, Jordan winning a sprint is just something that, like, I watch Alan Iverson or Shaquille O'Neal,

and you think of Shaq not being in shape for a good portion of early parts of seasons or even late in his career. Shack could have been the most dominant player in the history of the NBA. Didn't mean he didn't have an incredible career and he wasn't dominant, but not as dominant as he could have been. He was not only the biggest, he was the most athletic, unbelievably talented, gifted basketball player. But Shaq just wanted to be Shaq, which God bless him. He won four titles. Hall of Famer has a statue outside of Staples, although I'm a little torn on that because he played for the Celtics.

I don't know if you can do that, but whatever. But he could have been the, you know, like the greatest big man ever. I believe that. but he didn't have that work ethic that Kobe did. And Iverson didn't have the offseason and practice work ethic of the all-time greats. Carmelo Anthony, same thing. Wasn't never been willing to defend, you know, hasn't trusted teammates enough, didn't evolve as a player. And so Carmelo Anthony, who, for my money, there was a stretch of time five years there.

He was the best pure score in the league didn't win anything because of it. Even the move to the Knicks, which was a trade, instead of waiting for the off season, you know, I know there was going to be a lockout or whatever. We can get into that in another podcast. But these are the things that Carmelo has done to himself. Whereas Jordan bought in the idea of, hey, if I'm not good enough, even going back to high school, I'm going to get better. If I'm not ready for the NBA, I'm going to get better. He wasn't a good enough shooter early in his NBA career.

He got better. Then when he became a good enough shooter, he didn't trust his teammates and didn't have a big enough body. He did and got better. Culture, confidence, and conditioning. All right. Tune in next week. You're going to love it. We'll recap the entire series. Hope you enjoyed it. I'm Doug Gottlie. This is All Ball. Do you design, engineer, build, or maintain buildings in California?

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