The Herd with Colin Cowherd - All Ball - Harden Struggles; Nash Hire About Respect Not Race; NBA Mental Coach David Nurse on Playoff Mindset; Gregg Gottlieb on Recruiting Kawhi

Episode Date: September 5, 2020

In this episode, Doug discusses James Harden fading down the stretch in the playoffs again, why the Nets hired Steve Nash because he has Kyrie and KD's respect, not because of white privilege. He also talks with NBA mental coach - and nephew of Raptors HC Nick Nurse - David Nurse on playoff mindset and confidence sustaining techniques. Oregon St. Asst. - and older brother - Gregg Gottlieb looks back on his time spent recruiting a young Kawhi Leonard, and where his game has grown the most on his way to becoming the NBA's best player. Make sure you download, rate and subscribe here to get the latest All Ball Podcasts! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Plus, we're going to talk about the brilliance of Kauai Leonard, who, by my estimation, best player in the NBA. And my brother, Greg, 25 years, an assistant in college basketball recruiting. He used it. He left San Diego State, went to Cal, tried to get him at Cal. They didn't offer him a scholar.

He goes to San Diego State. We'll talk about the beginnings of Kauai Leonard's ascension to this remarkable. remarkable career. Let me give you a couple of quick thoughts on what we've seen so far. I still contend that James Harden, I don't know if it's conditioning or if he just naturally doesn't have the wind. But have you guys seen the stat where he shoots 23% from three in fourth quarters and overtimes of playoffs the last five years? And if you, look, he did have the big block shot against Lou Dort. But that was after struggling, by his own accounts,

struggling massively on offense. So you have to start to ask yourself, is it because in the postseason he plays defense in the regular season he doesn't? Is it because of how it difficult it is to score in the postseason? Or is he just not taking care of himself? Whatever it is, the conditioning is a factor. Then you go to Russell Lesbrook, who played really well in game seven, competed, scored, kind of kept the rockets in the game up until late, but then missed three straight layups.

And it's not like they were dead layups, wide open layups, but their contested finishes that an MVP should make. I was impressed that Oklahoma City was even in that game, even in that series, considering their lack of shooting, considering their youth. Obviously disappointed that Stephen Adams doesn't even look at the basket when he'd be open for a little slip the entire second half, and he never seemingly did.

I would have had Chris Paul take the ball inbound just because he's the best passer, and I feel like Shea Gilges Alexander, as much as I love him, I have some concerns about long-term his ability be a superstar, right? Like a superstar lead guard in transition, two on ones, three on ones, three on twos, that should be a layup or wide open shot every time. It's not. He just, he's an average passer. And when you're an average passer that's eventually going to be a dominant ball handing guy,

that does, that does limit you. It does limit you. Let me get to Steve Nash. It's a surprise that he's a head coach. I'm not going to sit here and deny that. I didn't know Steve Nash wanted to be a head coach. I didn't know that Brooklyn was considering him. But the idea that he got the job because of white privilege, that's what Stephen A. Smith said, is the most laughably obtuse comment I've heard in a long time. And I've heard a lot of laughably obtuse comments. I'm not saying that black coaches shouldn't get a chance, and many of them have, have succeeded. And, but I'll tell you this, where were the calls about, guys getting jobs they quote unquote

didn't deserve when former black players Doc Rivers got the Orlando Magic job you go to Derek Fisher Mark Jackson Isaiah Thomas

did Jason kid got the Nets job nobody was like hey he's never coached the job he got the job over a white guy like no he was replacing wasn't he replacing PJ Carlisca Morton PJ Carlos McCallisim actually replaced him

and did a damn good job by the way I just we we can't can't do, we, we do this thing where we always default to race having to play a part. Race doesn't play a part here. I mean, we all know what to play. He's got a relationship with Sean Marks. He's a superstar player. He's coach Kevin, coach Kevin Durant before.

He's really well respected. By the way, he's actually African my birth. And Canadian in terms of nationality. He's been around the game. And if there's, can you find a guy who Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving respect? respect. Outside of somebody who has a championship ring, and you're not going to bring Phil Jackson there,

and Greg Popovich probably turned down the job. I don't think he wants to coach those dudes at this point. There isn't anybody that you respect more than a two-time MVP like Steve Nash. The Steve Nash thing is this. You hire people to do what you don't know how to do. For example, Jock Vaughn, who's been a head coach. And I, like, there's no malice towards Jock Vaughn for me. I love Jock Vaugh.

He was awesome in high school. And we beat them his senior year's last game was against Tustin High School. He played for John Muir High School. Same high school, by the way, that produced Stacey Ogman. Pretty awesome, right? Pasadena. So, and I remember I went to superstar camp when I was going to be a freshman, and I saw him play in like the All-Star game,

and I was like, that's the best point guard I've ever seen in person. I was like a Bobby Hurley guy going on. I'm like, Jack Vaughan's the best point guy I've ever seen in person. But he's a big reason. I wanted to go to Kansas because he was at Kansas, because he was a California guy, pass first point guard, whatever. But you keep him on staff because he's been a head coach.

He knows the guys. He knows the culture. Like he's a tip of the cap to what they've been doing. But if Jacques Vaughn really had the respect and attention of his stars, superstars, Kyrie and KD would have been on the plane and been in Orlando supporting the team. They would have. DeAndre Jordan wouldn't have opted out. I know they won without those guys,

but just them not showing up to. tells you all you need to know because you're not you can win five out of eight games in the bubble you're not winning an NBA championship unless you get those guys to give you everything they haven't to lead i just don't under i i truthfully and honestly don't understand any backlash because steve nasher's white other than the time in which we're overreacting and use we can't do this we can't make every story about race look we don't of these of these of these of the police brutality incidents. First, we don't know if it's, it,

the incident in Kenosha, I don't, I don't understand. It feels like, it feels like excessive force bordering on police brutality. It does, despite the fact that guy, um, was the guy who the, his ex-girlfriend called on and he had a outstanding warrant. Like that feels, that's at minimum excessive force, feels like police brutality. But I, I don't know. I don't know if it rises to the level of murder.

Like that's going to be for a district attorney and for a judge and jury of his peers to figure out. But we have no idea whether or not that had anything to do with race. Do you? Of course you don't. But what we do is with those stories, we automatically say it has to be racial injustice. It has to be. Okay. I would commit to you that in basketball, I mean, do you think Sean Marks really sees race?

Sean Marks has played in the NBA, been a general manager in the NBA, been in the front office of San Antonio Spurs. Like, do you, that's not how people in sports, especially in the NBA, think. I've never been in a place in basketball where it's ever been, hey, we got to take a way guy ahead of a black guy. Like, that doesn't occur anymore. And if you're bothered because Steve Nash doesn't have head coaching experience, that's fine. You're allowed to be. But were you bothered when Mark Jackson got a job or Jason Kidd got the next job? Would you bother when Derek Fisher got the Knicks job?

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Let's welcome in, David Nurse. And David, how would you describe what you do for NBA players? Well, I described it as being a life optimization coach. And what that means is basically more in depth than just the on-court skill set because basically a player can be on-court for about two hours a day maximum. But what are you going to do with the 22 other hours? How are you going to optimize that time to be able to step on the floor at your peak, at your 100%.

So it's NBA optimization coach and it goes deep into nutrition, development, sleep, enhancement, overall recovery, and the biggest piece, 90% of it all is the minus. Okay, so let me ask about last night. Obviously, Nick is your nephew?

Is that right? Yeah, I'm his nephew. He's my uncle, yep. Oh, he's your uncle. Okay. So he's your uncle, you're his nephew. And sorry, I had to, I don't know why I said. I'm not that old.

I know. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, how would you, like, like, let's say Jason Tatum, young player, okay, kind of got lost on that last play. They, they're up two games and none. I'm sure in your mind, you're, like, kind of working in the, you're working in the mindset of, hey, we're about to be up three games and none. Now of the sudden, you know, OG and and obi hits a, hits a, hit a, hit, hit's a game-winning

three, what's the conversation like to work through with somebody like Jason Tatum? Supremely confident young guy, but now it could be a crisis in confidence when you lose a game like that. They would look at this series being over, and it's a challenging thing to do, but with that situation, I would talk to him about being, okay, let's look at the big picture. It's two to one. You guys basically stole one from Toronto early. They stole one from you here.

That's even. You're still up two to one. you have two games to go, you've been playing at the highest level of anybody in the playoffs. And I'd really just, I mean, I'd just really highlight how well he's done against the Raptors and how well he can continue to do against them in those situations. And basically just, I mean, show him different situations in the past where this happened and teams folded and then different situations in the past where this happened and teams rallied around this. Because it's going to go one or the other way.

like Boston's either going to feel bad for themselves and feel like this series should be over or they're really going to come together and step, put the foot on the gas pedal. Okay, so what is the most common issue you work through with guys if there is a common issue? Yeah, absolutely. Confidence. You know what I call the unshakable confidence. I have a set I go through with players, but I mean, basically, even the highest level players will struggle with confidence at some time. and it's how you get them out of their own mind, how you really get players understanding that, hey, at their best, at their peak,

they can be that type of player every single night. I do a lot of visualization, visualizing the game before it happens. The players that I work with will sit down. They'll see the game how it happens, how they want it to unfold, and then they'll watch it through again, seeing, hey, now the game, something crazy went on

because there's always going to be something wild that happens to the game. So they're seeing it two times before they step on the floor, giving them a lot of power and knowing where they're going to get to their spots. And Kobe and MJ were really big on doing this. And I'll have each player, they will watch their highlight reel, what they call their personal swag reel, before they, when they wake up in the morning, before they step on the floor for practice, and before they step on the floor for the game, basically putting themselves

in their mindset of this is when they were at their best. It'll be a two to three minute clip of all their best highlights put together. And it works the same way as muscle memory development does on a shot or anything. It builds in that subconscious and builds the myelin in the brain that this is who they are, this is who they can be at their best. And one of the biggest things that I've done, Doug, is really helping players focus on just detaching themselves from the result, because that's where it really drives confidence when you don't see shots going in or you'll get in what's called a shooting slump, which I'm big on redefining vocabulary.

Like words don't have to mean what we've grown up thinking they mean. But detaching from the results and focusing on the process solely on the process. One of my players I'm working with is Norm Powell, the Raptors, and he's done an unbelievable job of just embracing this and focusing on getting to his best shot. getting to the rim and transition downhill and getting catch and shoot three. And he went on a span of like 15 games in a row where those are the only shots he took. And he's just really taking himself out of like worrying about made or missed shots knowing, hey, if I get to these spots, they're going to go in over time. It's all about getting to these spots.

No question. Like let's take Lou Dort the other night, right? Yeah. So they're not guarding him. They're daring him to shoot. They're playing the numbers. And obviously, his teammates, Chris Paul helped you just let it fly, dude. Like, let's go.

Which is, you know, as a guy who, I mean, I struggle with my confidence. I mean, that really kind of derailed my entire career was, you know, because people go like, you couldn't shoot. Like, no, no, I could shoot. I wouldn't have been recruited at the level I was recruited if I could not shoot. It's just I would get to the point where I didn't think I could shoot. And then I would, you know, I'd work, work, work, work all summer. Then you come back and you get in the practice.

and now you're tired, maybe you work a little bit less, and then you do what you do best, and you stop shooting as much, and now you miss some shots, and then all of a sudden your confidence goes, so you're like, all right, I just won't shoot, and then they stop guarding you, now it becomes hard to play you,

like it becomes this kind of vicious cycle. Let's go with Lou Dort. I love the idea, like everyone said, well, just shoot. Yeah, but there are times in which you're not a good shooter, you shouldn't just shoot when you're open, because that'll cause you to, how do you handle when you're left wide open? Yeah.

And that's a great point. I mean, he's got a really good encouraging to shoot. And that's huge, as we know, that you need that confidence from everyone else around you. But if you're not shooting it well and you're left open, I mean, attacking the rim is going to just get your juices flowing, get you more in the game than just depending on the three alone. And basically to get yourself out of that state of it's about me. It's determined on my shots. They're leaving me wide open.

I have to make these shots. you pour your emphasis on everything else, on how you can pour into your teammates, how you're defending, how are you moving off ball? Are you getting off ball movement assist? Are you getting screen assist? Like, just really, just taking your mindset away from the importance of that shot and putting it on other aspects and areas of the game. But, but yeah, I mean, it's a tough and it's a real thing when you're left open, especially when you're a young player. And that's really where, because you know, It comes down to just really focusing on, hey, this is the confidence through preparation. I've done this eight zillion times before. It's just a game. It's just a shot. I've done it. I can make it.

And trusting in that. Sometimes it's, I mean, it's tough. And I'll have players, one big thing that I do is have what I call a cue word with them. So it's a word they'll say that it'll trigger their subconscious to get them back in like a just a normal, even keel state. Like if they're missing shots, one of my players' words is unshakable. Just say unshakable to himself over and over again. And it's a mindset trick to get yourself back and feel, okay, things are okay. Blood pressure's rising, but I'm going to be okay. I like that unshakable. Now, do you come up with a word? Do you let them come up with the word?

How do you do it? I let them come up with the word. They'll all come up with their own type of words. So I'll have each player, they'll have like a card that they'll go through. It'll be, still have, I'm big on confidence through comparison too, and I know that sounds kind of contradictory, but like Kobe did to MJ, find some player that you know you can be like, you can, you can learn from them, you can steal from them, and have that confidence through comparison. So if we're going with the norm example, his is D-Wade. So he's always thinking the D-Wade mindset. And so on his cue card of going through before the game, he's going to think of, put himself in that frame, okay, D-Wade did this, I can do this. And I have, I have players look at their hands because their hands have been through everything.

It's all the grit, the work that they've put in. And then they see that player that they're comparing themselves to. They see their hands as their own hands and they become one. So that's one thing that I do with them. And then it's the visualization that we talked about, seeing the game in two different ways. It's the swag highlight reel that they're going through. It's having that cue word in their mind.

It's knowing where their shots come from. And it just, just having that blueprint, Doug, just gives them a lot of confidence. Like, you know how it is just going into a game and going in and just playing. But now, but now you feel like you have the upper hand. Whether you do or not, at least you have that kind of, maybe even maybe call placebo, but that kind of effect of, okay, I have a game plan here. I'm one step ahead of the competition already. Hmm.

But that's absolutely positively fascinating. fascinating. You know, I tell people all the time that, and you tell me like, look, your uncle obviously, I actually, I don't know if you know this, he coached me in the USBO. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He had just, he was coaching in England and he was, and, uh, Kareem was our head coach and he came back. I don't think, I think he joined us after the season started. And, um, uh, anyway, like my, I obviously immediately liked him and we've, we've remained friends. But it's fascinating to me. There's three parts of basketball, which I don't think we in the media do a good enough job discussing that it's a major factor, major factor in teams success or team's failure, players success or players failure.

One is culture. Like we kind of describe culture sometimes and we use it as like a tag word. Well, they got great culture. But we don't. that we don't really portray an understanding of what that actually looks like what that actually means. Conditioning, I think, is a massive, massive factor.

You know, there are times which guys are just too tired to make shots. Their body will not cooperate. And, you know, like, look, my old head coach Eddie Sutton, he used to say, like, you can be tired, but you can't play tired, right? Which is a great way, but again, that's kind of resetting the mental. And the last part is the part that you focus on a ton,

which is confidence. And I just don't, it's really interesting. Like, I would make the case to you, and you tell me if I'm wrong. LeBron's curious because, and he may have overcome it now, but there were times in his career. They play the spurs in the finals, and they would dare him to take that mid-range pull-up, and he would have a little bit of a crisis in confidence. He'd miss a couple.

He'd get a little, now sometimes even. He'll get a little, he does, he has that now kind of, you talked about Norman Powell getting to his shot. You know, he has that really weird step back where he dribbles with his right hand and steps back with his left right. That's like his go-to where he kind of... Maybe that helps him reset himself mentally. But I...

For LeBron James to be one of the all-time greats, to me he's maybe one of the few guys at that level who had time struggles with his confidence and his jump shot. Man, absolutely. And one of his big things was... Okay, so let's... I love the process you go through with Nor. and so take me through a little bit of, like, let's say I, okay, I have an 11-year-old son.

11-year-old son. And let's say he's struggling with, you know, like last weekend, we went and played. He played up. He was a little bit sped up. And, you know, when they're that young and they start shooting way too far out, they start shooting airballs. And now they think they suck. I suck. How do you approach it?

Yeah. So back in the gym and we start. starting close and really look at questions. I think it's really powerful when players can express what they're feeling and asking them, instead of just telling them what to do, figuring out what's going through their mind. That way, the precedence on themselves, through the ownership on them. I mean, why do you feel like you missed those shots? What was going on?

Like, what do you think was the issue? Not in a negative way. Asking them and reflecting on it. And you probably be like, well, I'm not ready for that. I just couldn't make them. It wasn't a good game. a slump and like a lot of times when players will say they're a negative thing. matter what age, every time that I start working with them, hey, when was the last time

you were in a shooting slump? And they'll tell you, and you'll see their body language is kind of falling like, you know, a couple games ago or for your son saying he's the airballing shots. You're like, yeah, I just couldn't make it. It was horrible. And you see the body language just crumbling in. And then I'll ask them, hey, when was the last time you were in a shooting hippopotamus? And they'll look at me like, what are you talking about? but I use this crazy type of word just to show that, hey, slump is just a word that we've grown up in society to feel like it means something negative to give our subconscious that negative feeling, when in reality we can pivot that type of word doesn't have to mean that.

So I would talk to him about that. And then I'd go through a lot of where he was the most confident. I'd have him really, like, tell me the exact game, details, like the fans, the smells that had, his teammates of when he had his best game he's ever had, and having continually to recreate that. And then I just go back in the practice on the court and just give him one thing to work on, really big on just focusing on one thing. Like maybe his, like that's where maybe his answer was, hey, my guide hand was really

pushing the ball, and that's what we'd work on. We'd focus on that. So we'd give them a lot of confidence through the preparation. of specific focus development that he needed. And it's funny you use that example, too, because Domas is a player that I've been working with and we're developing his three-point shot, and he shoots a flat ball.

So whenever he's shooting a flat ball, like we'll go back, we'll talk about it. Like, hey, this is the one thing you need to do is get your elbow to your eyebrow, get the arc up, and it's going to go in. So he gets a lot of confidence knowing that it's only one adjustment away from being a great shooter. Hmm, that's amazing. Yeah, I, I, it's fascinating. You know, I, I'm friends with Matt Holiday. Matt was a seven time all-star. Yeah.

four-time silver slugger. And, you know, if you take steroid guys out of baseball, he was not, obviously not a steroid. You take steroid guys out of baseball, his numbers are that of Hall of Fame caliber numbers. And he told me, like, a long time ago, he's like, look, the biggest thing that I learned from Scott Borris' agent was, like, process over result. And it's become his whole thing. And in baseball, it's about, you know, how's your timing mechanism? Are you seeing the baseball? are you working to hitters counts, you know?

And because you can't control, you know, you can't control where the baseball goes. You know, they're just, they're good luck and bad luck. But you have to be, you fail so much in baseball. You have to go process over result. And, well, you try that with kids, right? Like, right? It's, I don't care if you miss a shot. Was it a good shot?

Was there a better, was there a great shot that was available? Did we have to take that shot? Did we run offense? Did we, is it what we want, right? Like, did you do all of these things that you're supposed to do? And then if the ball goes in, the ball doesn't go in. And by the way, did you work on your shooting? Did you take however many shots per day, every day, so that when you got that opportunity,

you made it. If you did all of that, your process is right. The results will, in fact, follow. Man, I love that. And it's so true and so real. And it's also difficult, though, for people to think, like, okay, process over results. Like, it sounds great. It's kind of like a word.

That saying is kind of like a word. word like culture. Like every NBA team throws her out, we want to have great culture. But yeah, show me what that means. Give me some tools. Give me some actual how. Like the why, the purpose, the Simon Senex, he talks about that a lot. Like, that's great. But I need some tools and actionable ways to be able to implement this. And through focusing on the process over the results, like you're saying, like what I do is we never, with my players, I never look at shooting percentage. We never look at points per game, we only look at the rate of where they got to their best shots. If they got to their highest level shots, that's a win. And that's what they're tracking.

And over time, that's when shots continue to go in and in more and more and more, but not focusing on the end result, but literally having tracking systems, tracking mechanisms. And it's really important, I mean, for anybody in life, let's say you're trying to get in better shape, Like you have to track your weight. You have to track things and see this progress happening. So even for kids, it's really important that they can see these results and understand that, hey, what are you saying? It's actually working because I am improving in this process. Okay.

Last thing. Just in terms of your basketball thoughts, your uncle's team down two games to one. And, you know, like you put out, it's really hard to know. what the mentality of the Celtics is going into game four. What do you think about the series? Obviously, I'm a little bit biased with Nick, but I think he's such a great coach that he's, he just figures these type of situations out.

I mean, the same thing happened last year with Milwaukee, and now he's really going to ride this momentum of, guys, we've got new life. This is our new chance, and they're going to be really, really energized. So I honestly think the Raptors are going to win. I think they're going to win in seven. and I mean, I'm good friends with Brad too, and I know Brad's a great coach.

He's amazing. He's going to come with a great game playing as well. So it's literally going to be like the ultimate chess game. And, but yeah, I'm going raptors and seven. You know, it's interesting. I think, I thought one thing, two things happened on that last play that defy conventional wisdom, and I am a big defying conventional wisdom guy, right? How many times have you heard?

You can't have a point guard, take the ball in bounds. There's a big guy in the ball, right? Yep. Now, you can't. Now, look, part of the bubble, which I, and this is Kyle Lowry's basketball intelligence, is there's no fans behind you, so you can back up as much as you want, right?

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why would you have somebody who passing isn't what they do best, take the ball and bounce? Additionally, it goes, that kind of defies the whole logic of having a big guy on the ball. I think those two things, you don't always have to have a big guy in the ball, especially 0.5 seconds to go. Point five seconds to go, you can play five on four on defense. Instead, make that fifth guy a super active guy. what happens is coaches have a tendency to do what everybody else does because that's what everybody else does and challenging that and congratulations to Nick for like, fuck that. Let's put, let's put Kyle,

let's have Kyle take it in. Um, you know, like, look, I don't know if Stephen Adams would have gotten, taken a layup or read the play, but I do think that if Chris Paul would have taken the ball in bounds the night before instead of Shea Alexander, who is a point guard, but not really a very good passer. you know, his limit, he was running the play. That was what he was doing. He was like that young kid in high school. It's like comes in like, what's the play coach? We're running the play.

That's what we're doing. Yeah. Hey, you know that too. And after taking it out, it's like having a quarterback. Like, why would you put your running back in there to take the ball out of bounds? But to your point on Nick, like, that's why he's so good. He doesn't do what everybody else does. Like, he played a triangle in two in the final last year.

Everybody was like, oh, that's crazy. Yeah. It won. Like, he's going to, he studies with the Belichick, like, all these different, like, one of his big things was taking the best player out of the game. That's why you've seen the Lakers really struggle against the Raptors because they're so LeBron-based. But he just absolutely doesn't matter what.

He'll triple team the guy to take him out of the game because that is the head of the snake. So he doesn't care what conventional wisdom says. And it's funny, too, because I see that. And I get so excited because it's OG hitting that. And he's one of my guys I've worked a lot with. And the amount of reps that he's put in shooting quick, catch-and-shoot corner threes,

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That's like what coaches have a tendency to sit around and talk about. And I was watching Kauai last night, and I don't know if you saw this, on mid-range jump shots in the playoffs. Grant in the bubble, he's shooting 80% from the floor. It's so good. He plays both ends. He's become a very good ball handler passer.

And I wanted to bring you on because you did recruit him. You were a fan. You actually, I remember you texting me saying like, how could Kauai Leonard not be McDonald's All-American when he's the Gatorade, the California Gatorade State player of the year? First time you saw Kauai, do you remember when it was? Yep, I do. And they were playing in the sports arena,

and I believe the CIAF semi-finals or finals. and they were playing against Dominguez High School, which at that time Dominguez was a powerhouse. And Jordan Hamilton was really the premier player coming up. So I was recruiting both Jordan and Kauai. And for the first three quarters, Kauai just did an incredible job defensively on Jordan Hamilton, who was at the time an exceptional offensive talent.

And Dominguez just pulled ahead at the end. I think Koward ran out of gas, but he was exceptional, and really at the defensive end more than at the offensive end at the time, but always had athleticism, the ability to tack the basket. You know, he wasn't a great shooter at that time, but he was a guy who could score going downhill. You know, it's, I always, I've always thought, like, what you possess and what guys who have done what you, what you do possess,

is something that I think it's a great skill, is the ability to watch a 16-year-old, 17-year-old kid, or maybe sometimes even 15-year-old kid and project what he would look like in a college basketball game, not just in terms of your offense, what his body looks like, maybe. See, look, some of it's guessing, I would assume, right? You look at a guy's hands. Is he still going to grow? You see the parents, you know, how mature is he?

Is he going to put on weight? Is he not going to put on weight? But it's, you know, what you're doing is you're projecting in watching Jordan and, you know, and Kauai, and I agree, you know, Jordan Hamilton went to Texas and played, and obviously his brothers, one played at Yukon, one played at UCLA. But when you watch them, at that particular time, do you remember, did you think Kauai would be a better player than Jordan Hamilton? No, you know, I think the big thing, to be honest, Jordan is still super talented player. I would imagine he's still playing right now if he's not. you may be playing overseas if he's not in the NBA, but, you know, he's a little bit of a victim of his own success, you know, because he had so much success.

People tell him how great he was a little bit and maybe allowed him to develop some habits that actually held him back a little bit. I know he struggled a little bit at Texas, but, you know, Kauai didn't have all that. You know, he didn't have those accolades. You know, he was a talent, but maybe a hidden talent at the time. and, you know, we can say he was under-recruited. There's other things that, circumstances that go into some of those decisions that people made. At that time, people were getting commitments early in the Pact 12, and really the Pact 10 at the time. So people were taking kids, you know, going into their junior year.

They were trying to get commitments. And so sometimes, you know, you make mistakes. But so some people stopped recruiting those positions because they already had a commitment for a kid. And he just kept getting better, you know. And again, he didn't have the family. unfair, but I think what he really had was the work ethic to go with the ability. The thing that he had probably the most that stood out the most was his ability to rebound the ball. That probably is what made him such a consistent player, though. You know, I mean, that always seems to translate every level

you go up if you're a good rebounder, and he was a guy who'd get you 10, 12 rebounds on every game, and I think he just had a nose to the ball. I think he's fearless. I think he's tough, and he plays hard. It's interesting, right? Because I know that some coaches looked at him in like, eh, six, five, six, six. He can rebound in high school, but you can't rebound in college. Because at the time, that was when big guys were big guys. And he was, though he played inside, he was the, he was the size of a wing. How hard is it to figure out the translation of rebounding in a size in high school versus in college? I still think guys that rebound, doesn't matter what position they are, you know, guards even, they're really good rebounders.

They just have a knack at a field for where the ball is coming off of it. But also they're anticipating. It's just kind of built into what they do. So I always found rebounding is probably the number one skill. And, you know, it didn't surprise me that San Diego State at the time recruited him because I had, you know, just recently left there. And that was a big thing for us when I was at San Diego State. If you were three, four, or five, you had to be a guy that could get double-figure rebounds in a game.

And so we weren't always a great shooting team, but we could make up for it by getting extra possessions on the glass, things like that. I thought that was something that, like I said, that he was really good at. You know, the thing that always is interesting, you know, initially when you're out recruiting and, you know, you have kind of a system that you're recruiting to, let's say. And, you know, all right, well, we need a four man or we need a, we need a five, and we want them to look like this size, that size. But in the end of the day, you know, once you get your team together, you're going to

play the guys to give your best chance to win. And so you make some adjustments. And it's funny is that he was kind of that tweener, right? He wasn't truly a wing at that point in his career and development. But so he was kind of on the bubble of being a three and a four is on the C. but, you know, when you're on the other side defending those guys, too, you're like, who do we have to guard him? He's too big for a wing and he's too quick for a big guy, you know.

And so we don't have one of those guys. You're like, why don't we have one of those guys? You know, what's fascinating is you mentioned San Diego State where you had coached, Like he checked so many boxes of what San Diego State has feasted on, right? Like a little bit under recruited, either Riverside or Sacramento, like those are kind of two spots where you guys, I thought, did L.A. as well. But Riverside, Sacramento, two spots where you guys did a really good job. They've continued to do a really good job of recruiting, right?

Tweeners and guys that may, what they lack on offense, they make up for in work ethic and defense and rebounding, right? Like he felt like a, it feels like you're describing a San Diego State player. The other side to it, though, is that, like, look, I'm sure they knew they were getting a really good player, terrific player. And I know that you badly wanted to take him at Cal. But do you think in any way they knew he would be this? No, and no. And people don't realize, too, even at San Diego State, they, one of the things that really helped was they signed his best friend

at the time. A kid that he didn't make grades, I don't think so. Who's that? I'm not going there, but I can't remember his name, a little guard really quick. Good player, but he just didn't have, he was kind of, you know, on the bubble academically and didn't make it. But that was another factor in them getting involved with him. No, I don't know that they ever truly do. And you never totally know who's going to be that guy that emerges.

Sometimes the kid that you think is going to be, you know, in your recruiting class, you think this one particular kid might turn out to be really, really good in it. And as it turns out, it's someone else that maybe you didn't project a little bit. But obviously, like we said, I mean, he had physical ability. He had broad shoulders, got long arms. Obviously, everyone talks about his hand size. So, you know, he had a frame that could fill out as well. But I think, you know, you're trying to investigate, really,

when you're recruiting, like, you know, how strong is their desire and their will to get better? And I think that is really what separated Kauai, you know. I mean, it really is no different than, you know, Kobe, LeBron, and Michael Jordan, you know, some of these guys that really is not so much that they're that much better of an athlete. It's just their will to prepare or what motivates them to want to, you know, to play is so different. You know, some of these guys, their whole goal is to make it to the NBA or do you. get a big contract and then they take their foot off the gas and, you know, they change. And the big question, a lot of people, is how do you handle success?

You know, everyone always talks about how you handle failure, but how do you handle success? So for a lot of these guys, you know, they get money and now a sudden, you know, they're not working as hard or they're just going to other places. But these guys, guy like Hawaii, you know, he loves to dominate a game. I mean, he loves to work. You know, the work for him is the reward. You know, so I think that's really where the separating factor obviously has some incredible ability, but I think there's a lot of guys in the NBA with similar type of ability,

but they don't have the mindset that he has that really has separated him and the will and work ethic. What did you think of Hardin when he was in high school? You know, it's funny because James was on a really talented high school team too. And I can't remember the big kid's name. They had a really good big kid. Artisia, right? And they had Derek Glasser was like his personal attache, whatever. And they had another wing, too, regarded early on.

And I think, again, the thing with James, he was a guy that could score. Not a great score, but a good score, not a great athlete. But same thing with him. I mean, he's figured it out. Like, you know, it's just things have, I think he's probably one of those guys it's really put a tremendous amount of time into his game and really fine-tuned it. You know, the NBA is really, the rules have really helped him, too, obviously. But from an offensive standpoint, I don't know if there's anybody better to be able to get their own shot anytime they want

and make people pay for helping it. I mean, but his ball handling is exceptional. You know, I mean, and his ability to get his shot is exceptional, and obviously he's got range. He can really, really, really pass too. He's got good vision, you know. And what's interesting about it is, I agree. He's obviously put a ton of time into it. He doesn't appear to be in the greatest of shape at times, which is weird.

I don't know if he has a personal kind of limitation in-game conditioning. Last one, Russell Westbrook, his teammate, right? So you had, now, first time you saw Russell was when? You know, Russell was a guy that was kind of under the radar. I think University of San Diego was only one that had offered him a scholarship going into his senior season. And, you know, really the first time I saw him was in a tournament in Westchester, I believe it was. And going into, you know, in his senior year, people were kind of talking about him. And by that time, he's one of those guys.

Like, if you looked at him physically as going into his senior year and then you looked at him once he got to college, you would have thought that someone literally stole his identity. He's using his name because, I mean, he physically completely changed. Even in his face completely changed. I mean, he just matured incredibly in that time period, you know, and give Kerry Keating a lot of credit because he's the one that saw him. And really during that time period when UCLA was really good, they did a great job of evaluating guys that were in their area that were kind of,

of sleepers, Darren Collison being another one, but Russell Westbrook, you know, his athleticism from the time he was a junior in high school, I think, until then we went to go back and, you know, when he was playing against us at Cal, his sophomore year, he had that dunk. Incredible dunk went over Jamal Boykin, and I mean, but he just had some of those kinds of his athleticism is just he's in the top 1% of athletes period, you know, not just in basketball, but I mean,

incredible. And there's only been a couple of guys that I've seen where, like I said, they've changed so much that you wouldn't even know who they were. You know, you wouldn't recognize him physically. You know, and I think he's a hell of a player, but sometimes he does rely on his athleticism below too much. But, you know, like I said, he was special. Even at UCLA, he really didn't play the point.

He was really off the ball most of the time, but he was their defensive kind of stopper on a very talented team. I mean, that team went to the Final Four, won the league, et cetera. You know, I mean, Kevin Love was on that team. You know, Darren Collison, really, I think there's probably five or six NBA players on the team. I just can't think of them all on the top of my head. Yeah, they were stacked.

Totally, totally stacked. Listen, I love your perspective. Obviously, you'll pop you on some more. Thanks so much for joining us. You got it. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Doug Gottlieb show weekdays at 3 p.m. Eastern, noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the IHeart Radio app. All right, thanks to my brother, Greg. That was awesome, unbelievable insight. I think the rockets are done. They're just too tired. Same thing for the nuggets. I'll be interested to see exactly what happens with Milwaukee.

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