The Herd with Colin Cowherd - All Ball - New Kobe/Shaq Feud; Dwight Howard's L.A. Role; Boogie's Downfall; Guest: BTN Analyst, Ex-Iowa Star Jess Settles

Episode Date: August 30, 2019

This week, Gottlieb looks at the recent Kobe/Shaq media feud sparked by Kobe's comments about O'Neal's work ethic, what role Dwight Howard will fill with the Lakers, if Boogie Cousins is done in the NBA following his most recent legal problems. Guest: Former Iowa star, and Iowa Mr. Basketball Jess Settles discusses growing up in rural Iowa, fulfilling his dream of playing for the Hawkeyes, and trades hoop stories. Make sure you download, rate and subscribe here to get the latest All Ball Podcasts! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Doug Gottlieb. And you are listening to All Ball, all basketball all the time. My guest this week is a legend in the state of Iowa. He's been a coach. He's now a broadcaster with the Big Ten Network. He is Just Settles. Great dude, awesome stories. And a really amazing career where he plays.

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Shack didn't come in in shape. Phil didn't, you know, crack the whip to get him in shape. One of the big reasons they didn't have two a days when Shaq was on the Lakers was because Shaq wasn't in shape. And Phil didn't want to kill him. There's no sense in having crazy training camp when you're going to be playing all the way until June. It's one of the genius parts of Phil Jackson's coaching that people won't give him enough credit for. They just won't. So the first thing is, and this is really, really important,

neither Kobe nor Shaq are telling lies. Now, I do think that Shaq is a little bit overplaying the had Kobe passed more against the Pistons. Let's not go into the Piston series and all the things that were going wrong there. But the bigger issue is Shaq could have been the greatest player of all time or the biggest, greatest big man of all time. That's what everybody with the Lakers, and I was with the Lakers in three free agent camps, and in the Summer League would always say, but he likes being Shaq, movies, TV shows,

music videos, hanging out, big personality, and it's worked for him. He's a genius in business, and he's a great dude. But you can be a great dude and not be completely locked in on being the greatest ever, not being wired the way that Kobe was wired. Kobe was wired kind of like a serial killer. But he was also wired like a guy who, you know,

More like a backup point guard. I want to get everything I possibly can out of my body. Every amount of potential I want to get out. Now, was he selfish? Sure, Shaq's right there. He was selfish. He would take bad shots. He could be hard to play with.

He could be hard to manage as a personality and ego. But Kobe worked his ass off and he was always in shape. Shaq, naturally, incredibly gifted. Fast, quick, strong, you name it. And, oh yeah, by the way, Huge. You ever met Shaq, one of the hugest human beings you'll ever meet. Great, smart personality.

But when the season was over, he was done. He was shutting it down for a bit. He wasn't about developing his game. He would develop his game as they went. And that's why he never became a great free throw shooter. That's why he never developed, you know, much of a perimeter game. And oh, yeah, by the way, yes, Shaq, you can have, it doesn't mean you have a bad work ethic, but he wouldn't guard pick and rolls.

I mean, how many guys would play against the Lakers? shooting point guards like Mike Bibby, like Trevor Hudson, come out and hit shots where Shaq was supposed to be. So there's no new beef, but this is, in fact, the beef, and this is part of what led to the breakup of Shaq and Kobe. Why the team sided with Kobe? Shaq had more potential.

Shaq had greater dominance, but Kobe, you get everything you can out of Kobe. Kevin got everything he could out of his body. I don't think you can say the same for Shaq. Be sure to catch live editions of the Doug Gottlieb show weekdays in noon Eastern 3 p.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I-Hard Radio app. Dwight Howard has just signed with the L.A. Lakers. And you get people who clown Dwight Howard signing with the Lakers. They put some parameters on it. Let me tell you what I've heard about Dwight Howard signing. I heard his workout was the best workout of any big guy that the Lakers had in their building on their roster, not on

their roster that he's lost 25 pounds. Here was the quote, where's it here from a Lakers front office guy. If my body looked like Dwight Howard, I would never put on a shirt. They said he was fast. He was agile. He was bouncy. He looked amazing. And here's the thing about Dwight Howard being a weird dude.

He is. There's lots of weird dudes in the NBA. So I don't know if it works. I do know they need him to play. You know, there is kind of a sense. sense of, well, you don't need him for backup. Like, no, you probably need 20 minutes a game out of him. You know, Javelle McGee's only good when you play him 15 to 18 minutes,

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But the idea is this. It's for freshmen. and I do think it works a little bit for high school, but it actually works best, obviously, for college. It's the idea that you got to unpack. And you can use this when you go to a new job. I've taken jobs where I didn't have a great feeling about it and I didn't emotionally unpack until maybe it was too late.

But it's a couple of tips for basketball players to succeed once they get to college, to have the best freshman year possible. You're going to be a little lonely. Less than only now, obviously, than when we went to school, when I went to school, because now you can FaceTime everybody.

You know, travel seems a whole lot easier, but like cell phones bring you so much closer to people. Maybe too close. But you can't get FOMO from other people's social media. Oh man, hey, I want that. Why don't we have that facility? Why don't I have that workout? Why am I not playing as much as this guy?

The big key is lock in on your studies. Get ahead early. Tell my own kids this. Because when the teachers, when the coaches go around and find out how you're doing in school, if you're on the border, unless you're a superstar, they're going to bail on you. Because they can't depend on you to be available second semester. One key component to ability is available. availability. And if they think, man, this dude ain't going to be eligible second semester,

he's going to flunk out at the end of the year. You think they're going to invest in you in a basketball court? Of course not. You need to be kind to managers. Those managers just want to be part of the program and likely want to be a coach in the future. And you know what? Once you get to February and you need some new gear, who's going to take care of you? The manager. So I think those are two key parts to it. I think you've got to get your rest, you got to eat right. Why do you have to do both? Because when you get your rest, when you eat right, you're going to be a better

practice player. You're a better practice player. You make more shots in practice. Make more shots and practice. You'll get more opportunities in games and the rest is up to you. And I think the big key is you just have to continue whatever work ethic it took to get you where you got. Keep that up and if not, grow it. Grow it. When you get tired from workouts from lifting and sore and you feel like you can't go

late night in the gym and get your 100, 200,000 shots up now that you have those guns or Dr. Dish machines, now's the time. And to keep that going during the season. Because the guy who takes the most shots is going to make the most shots. That's where it goes. And the last thing is, Don't worry about the league. Don't worry about the tournament. Don't worry about anything. Worry about the here and now. Be present.

Unpack. Be sure to catch live editions of the Doug Gottlieb show weekdays in noon eastern 3 p.m. Pacific. All right, let's welcome him in. He's just settled. He's former Mr. Basketball in the state of Iowa. I was actually looking through and researching, getting ready to have you on the Mr. Basketball's. And Fred Hoyberg was 91.

some dude I've never heard of Eric Pothoven from Pella Christian was 92 when you tell me. Rafe was the year after you. Adam Spanish was 95. I actually played with Adam in the IBA and he was at Oral Roberts for a time. He was a USC O'R Roberts. Justin Wessel, Dean Oliver, Nick Carlson, Kirk Heinrich, Glenn Worley. There's been some really, really, really good players. All right.

You grew up where in Iowa? I grew up in Winfield, Iowa, a town of 1,000. I don't know in Winfield, Iowa, about 45 minutes south of the University of Iowa. So it was a community. We did not have any stoplights. I always grew up wanting to play for Iowa, Doug. And when I went to the five-star basketball camp in Pittsburgh, because there weren't any pickup games or any competition where I was growing up,

that's when it kind of ignited my fire to get better to drill and to see that I could compete against better players around the country. Okay, but you're skipping some steps. So Winfield, Iowa, I mean, wheat farm, corn farm, what kind of farm? Corn and beans, and I still farm with my dad. About a month from now, I'll be sitting in a John Deer tractor and combine for a couple months straight going back and forth, picking the feeding the world, feeding you, Doug. I know you like corn on the cop.

I do. I like soy products as well, you know, like I do. Okay, okay, there you go. And then they're doing some stuff with peas now. You know, those beyond meat burgers are with peas. Okay, so... Don't eat that. Don't eat that.

Eat the real meat. I do like real meat. I do like real meat. Thank you. But, you know, some stuff, you got to try all kinds of. Okay, so I'm picturing, like, how many acres growing up? I grew up on a 200-acre farm. Okay.

So, 200 acres, I'm picturing, like, grain silo, barn. Yep. Hoop on the barn, freestanding hoop la Hoosiers? Absolutely. But absolutely, tell me, give me the picture of what the farm looked like in the 80s. So your typical 1890s farmhouse that's been remodeled like six times over the years goes from that kind of cheap siding with no insulation to now, you know, you get a little more modern, you get the regular siding. You've got the detached garage with the hoop on the side of it. You've got the hog sheds right next to the garage.

So literally, if you shot the ball at a poor angle and it ricocheted off the right way, it would end up in a manure pit, and you'd have to go hose the ball off before you could shoot again. So it made you really concentrate on your jumper. We had a few horse pins, three or four grain bins, a machine shed, and all kinds of older tractors, combines, planters, things like that, sitting around. Try to mow them the best job we could, but just your typical, great Iowa farm farm, family farm. So why not football? Like your cousins, George Kittles, your 6, 7, like you look, even now you look at when you walk into a room, guys,

and say, like, oh, you played tight end or you played offensive line for, you're not heavy, but I mean, you look like, almost feels like that's your build. Why basketball, not football? I just love the game. I played football in middle school, and it was so violent. And I was a tough kid, but it just seemed like every time you come back from the game, you had a sprained finger, a rolled ankle. We weren't very good at that time, so we got slaughtered a lot of games.

Actually, Bob Stoops, I saw him at a charity event a few years ago, and he said the same thing, Doug. He's like, man, you really messed up. You should have played tight end. and even who just went into the Hall of Fame the title

Tony Gonzalez yeah yeah Tony Gonzalez so Tony I played against him when he was a cow and I was at Iowa and we were sitting on the court and he just starts

staring at me at the free throw line he says Jess man you really messed up you're in the wrong sport so so you're not wrong in that but I just love basketball more

seems like everybody else in the family plays football we had a we were all pretty big and pretty strong I never got the speed gene so I think I made the decision, although if I had it to do all over again, I might have gone the baseball route

and been a pitcher. It's just a lot less demanding physically. Yeah, six-foot-seven pitcher. You reach halfway to home play plus Iowa. There you go. They will come. Okay, so your high school was how big? How many kids you graduate with? I think we had about 25 to 30 in my class, very small, but had a great opportunity at a small school to kind of play all five positions to learn the game that way. to play varsity as a freshman like everybody did.

There were no cuts. Everybody got a uniform who went out. And so the summer, the Nike camp, the five-star camps, and all those, those were critical to my development. And my mom was a pretty good basketball player in high school as well, and she taught me a lot. Six on six, right? Six-on-six, right? Six-on-six, that legendary six-on-six-six-on-six game.

That's what I grew up watching. Our women's teams were outstanding at Winfield. They won most of their games. and then our men's team struggled. But, yeah, I saw the beginning and end of six-on-six basketball, and then obviously the way the game has changed today, I was a part of a good era. Yeah, the old fan back.

Did you have a fan backboard? Did you have the full backboard? Yes. We had a steal. The fan backboard stayed in Iowa, I think, until the mid-90s. I mean, I played on one all four years. It was crazy. Last night, a blown call changed the game.

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Who is Eric Pothovin, and how did he win Mr. Basketball, the year in between you and Fred Hoyberg and Rayflip Friends? He was an elite score out of Pella, and I believe they won a state title. He deserved it. He was the top player in the state at that time. But of all those guys on the list, the biggest problem is, Doug,

that most of other than Dean Oliver there, Glenn Worley, myself, everybody else didn't end up in Iowa. Right. And you start talking about Heinrich and O'Callsen, especially Rayful of Friends. Those guys all went to Kansas, as you know, and changed the course of history for the state of Iowa and Iowa basketball. So that was really devastating to the Iowa program as well as Iowa State. But you just can't, and it's this size, you can't lose legendary players like that.

They both came from great families. And all of them have wonderful pro careers as well. Okay, so you show up. You show up, was there any thought to you going out of state to play in college? Okay, so you'll be fascinated by this, and I don't know if you've ever thought about this, but the two of us, we almost ended up on the same team in Notre Dame. Have you ever thought about that? No, I know all this, but I don't think people will believe it.

But that was... Fran McCaffrey and John McLeod, heavily recruited me. I ended up coming down to Michigan, Iowa, and Notre Dame. A group of a hockey fan, obviously, close to the university. Love the Hawks. But I was so intrigued by that Notre Dame degree, John McLeod and his pro system. My football weekend at the University of Notre Dame was just unbelievable. It was off the chart.

At me, Julia Roberts, Dick Fidel, those guys. I mean, they really sold the program. And I just was hesitant. they ended up giving scholarships to, I believe, Marcus Young, and was it Gorsh that you played with one year? Gotch. Matt Gorsh? Matt Gouch. Matt Gatch.

Matt Gatch. Yes, excuse me, Matt Gatch. So those guys took the two scholarships. I even remember meeting with Fran about possibly doing a partial scholarship on baseball, beat on the baseball team. But then a few years later, you come in there, and I'm looking at the roster a while back. And I think it would have been Ryan Hoover, Doug. Gottlob, Pat Garrity, and Jeff Settles in the mid-90s running up down the court. Which would have been unbelievable.

Unbelievable list of white dudes. Like the whitest dudes. Unbelievable. We had, so Antonio Weish, who's assistant at Lehigh, I'll never forget. We play Georgetown. This is like a big Monday. They have their rank number two in the country. They have Alan Iverson.

They have, you know, they have a junkyard dog. They got Victor Page. Oh, yeah. They have, I mean, they're just loaded. And I'll never forget. at Iverson, we're at like the free-thel line the first half, and Antonio Weish is our first sub-in. We started five white dudes.

And here comes tone. Tone lines up next to Iverson. He's on one side of Iverson. I'm on the other side. And at that time, Iverson's nickname was Bubba Chuck. And he's like, what's up, Chuck? And they kind of dapped a little bit.

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Like I know he wasn't, like you average like 15 and 7 your first year, but it feels like people were more, the Kingsbury, Kingsbury was like, he had like a Johnny Mansell, Baker, Mayfield. What was, tell me what Chris Kingsbury was like to play with. Yeah, you have such a fascinating memory. I mean, that's exactly right. That's a great way to break him down. He came in as a McDonald's All-American, arguably the best shooting guard in the country as far as shooting the basketball. I think he won the three-point competition at the Nike camp and was by far the best shooter there for our class. He was early maturing, very strong, extremely competitive. One of the better passes I've ever played with as well.

But as you know, when you're just a true shooting guard, that transition, especially back then, was so hard to make. Those of us who were forward centers could get cheap baskets throughout the game. I mean, you can get a couple offensive rebounds, a couple tip-ins, and you felt good about your game. Or shooting guards just, you had to knock in shots, and that was about the only way you could score because you were getting mugged half the game and grabbed and held, and you just couldn't get easy baskets. Obviously, if you're playing point guard, you have the ball in your hand. You can get a little confidence throughout the game.

But he was tremendous to play for, struggled a little bit as freshman year, but then when we came back the next couple years, I mean, he was an all-league guy, ended up getting a few tryouts in the NBA. But he was, I roomed with him. And, you know, for a naive kid coming from a town of 1,000, you know, never basically been out of the town of the room with Chris King. Kingsbury got my eyes open up. Okay, so he wore 14 because his favorite drink was 7 and 7, correct?

I have no idea. That can't be right. I've never heard that. That's what he told me. I've never heard that. Yeah, you never heard that? All right. We'll put that out there.

We'll ask if Kingsbury wants to, Kingsbury is on Twitter. You guys had, didn't you have a dude James Winters, right? Was the big senior on your team? Yeah. Were you guys any? I feel like that was right at the end. to the Dr. Tom Davis thing when you guys remember what was going on with the team?

Who was James Winners? How did he play? Well, James Winters, well, the athletic. I remember Van Arnsdale from the Phoenix Suns once asking me about James Winners because he'd seen him on tape. He was, man, if that kid was two or three inches taller, you know, he would have been a pro. So he was very undersized forward.

But James Winners was one of the unsung heroes in the history of our program because he was basically the only senior left after Chris Street was killed in the tragic accident. So you can imagine you've got an NCAA tournament team, A.C. Earl, Wade-looking Bill, James Winners, Kevin Smith, Vow Barnes. And they go to the second round, I believe, the year before. Chris Streets in his accident.

Everybody else graduates, a couple guys thrown off the team. So he comes in and has to play his senior year with a bunch of freshmen underclass. Kenyon Murray was a McDonald's All-American, Mr. Basketball, the state of Michigan, Montere-Glasber was out of Detroit. We had a pretty poor team that first year. How do you have two McDonald's All-Americans, a freshman and sophomore, you, and this dude James Winters, and you guys weren't very good? How is that possible?

That first year, you know, Kingsbury and I were freshman. Kenyon and Montere were just young, lost a lot of close games, and then winners was hurt probably the last two or three weeks of the year when the games were, the big games were on the line. So it just didn't work out But yeah He was incredible And in the next couple years

We had pretty good teams Yeah next year you had Kingsbury You had Andre Woolridge Right he's from Chicago I think Oh yeah Big point guard And and Ryan Bowen came in as well He was he was more off off the bench

What was Dr. Tom like to play for I always tell people I look forward to go into practice Every single day He just he made the game fun we were a little bit ahead of our time. We pressed the entire game. So it seems like, you know, eight, nine guys always got good minutes.

We played so hard in that pressure defense that we'd actually sub ourselves out because we couldn't play 40 minutes. We played a fast pace like today. The forwards had the green light to shoot the three-pointer. We never felt like we were out of the game. We played in a lot of games where we were down 20 or up 20, and then the games would come back to even because of just the style of play. he was great to play for

we had some good NCAA tournament runs my career ended against clit elaine rep hamilton and yukon who beat elton brand trajan lankden avery and the national championship that year but we lost in phoenix in the sweet 16

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It started my sophomore year right in the preseason and just obviously was a struggle every year since. I ended up having to sit out two years, believe it or not. So I see some of these transfer portal guys and they're trying to play and transfer and

get fifth and six years. And I know, unfortunately what that's all about. But yeah, that's, that derailed a lot of goals and dreams, that's for sure. Wait, wait, see, wait, you sat out, okay, so you start that, okay, so remind me, because you sat out the, yeah, you started 93, 94, but you got, you, you, you, you sat out first, 96, 97, you played a couple games, and the next year you completely shut it down, and then you came back. So how, how, that's like your sixth year at your university. And, and you just, and you just, decided not to leave, what's that like to come back and try and play? And keep mind, you're playing with a completely different group of guys, right?

Like, it might as well be a different sport almost, considering the guys that you played with at the end of your career. Exactly. So, just imagine, I'm in the locker room, freshman sophomore year at Iowa, things are going great. Dean Oliver, who you mentioned is Mr. Basketball. He was like an eighth grader at Mason City. and he would come into the locker room to get autographs and hang out with the team because we were recruiting him at an early age.

Ricky Davis, who ended up being a first round pick of the Cavs, played with LeBron his first year, I believe. Also another Stunger, Iowa high school kid. So these guys are coming in the locker room when I'm a freshman and sophomore, and then fast forward to 1999 when I'm coming back to play that final year after being out two years,

and I'm looking across the locker room, and they have lockers in the same locker room. and I'm just, I just thought, man, I've been here forever. It was, it was tough. It was a completely different game, completely different teammates. You're pretty emotionally scarred at that point, you know, trying to perform, still having false pro aspirations and dreams, even though it's just not possible. So you're really emotionally, mentally not quite as sharp as you want to be. I just kind of took that last year to be a mentor.

And it was Dr. Tom's last year, so it was a unique sense. situation where he was a lame, lame duck coach. So we were, you know, we were constantly a story that year, and we had a good year, and made it to the Sweet 16. But the game had completely changed. It was, it was bizarre, and, you know, I wouldn't wish it upon anybody. And you had added Sam Oakey, right? Who is, right?

Who is like, Kingsbury Crazy only played your position. Another guy who should have played football. Give me your best, give me your best Sam Oki story. Man, I forgot about Sam Oakey. That's crazy. Sam Okey was another guy. I remember going with Kingsbury, Doug, in my parents' van, to recruit Sam Oake when he was playing at an event in Dubuque when he was a junior in high school. He grew up in Cassville.

I mean, he was just an unbelievable athlete, an above-the-rim guy. When he ended up transferring to Iowa, I was shocked. I mean, it just, it was crazy. It just seemed like I'd been there forever, and here's another guy who had played against it was. Wisconsin transferring into Iowa. Unfortunately, he broke his wrist right there with five or six games to go in 1999. I mean, or we would have been even better. He was a great player.

I can't think of any stories that, you know, crazy stories. I mean, I'll just tell you, like, so high school. Okay, so look, he was, he was the one, the Cole Center, right, in Wisconsin? Yeah. Senator Cole said he would donate the money to the arena. after Sam Oakey committed to going to Wisconsin. Like, that's how big it was to get him. So I played in the, it was called the Coca-Cola All-American game in Indianapolis.

Bob Knight's son ran it, right? So I played the Magic's Round Ball. I didn't play McDonald's. Magic's Round Ball. And I played the Coca-All-American game. And Sam Oki was on my team. And I was 19. I was held back.

I was 19 as a senior, and I had a fake ID. And Sam Oki, I don't know if he had a fake ID, but he looked like a grown man. And so, like, the night of or the night before the game, I'm going to say the night of the game, like after the game. We play the game. It's fun. We go out afterwards. And like, here's a kid. I'm guessing at the time he's 6-7, probably only 225 or something. Before he got really, it was still pretty strong. And he was so drunk, I had to, like, put him kind of on my shoulder and help him, like, back to the hotel, which is a couple blocks away. And it was, like, moving a dead body. And I just, I remember, like, because we were roommates, I got him to the room. Like, you get him in his bed, right? And he's just a mess. And he looks up at you and he goes, good time, huh?

Fun night. Let's do it again tomorrow night. And he's out. Like, he's a nut. You guys, Iowa has this, like, mix, right? You play with J.R. Kachie. I took a visit with him to, to Notre Dame. He fell asleep on our visit at, at,

in Ryan Hoover's dorm room when they were throwing us kind of a dorm party. Like, J.R. Koch, nicest dude ever. You had this, like, mix of, like, super nice farm dudes and hardcore party drinkers. That's how I look at Iowa basketball. I mean, it's nice to talk to you to get to know the guys I played with. I just didn't know this side of it, but it was hilarious. J.R. Koch was a pro. People forget that.

He was dropped in the second round by the Knicks. Yeah. Had he played the day, Doug, I think, as a true, like a stretch. I think he would have been a first round pick. I mean, his game was built for today's game, maybe not as much back then, but he had some knee troubles overseas. And he's now the Donald Trump real estate mogul of Peoria, Illinois. I don't know if you knew that.

I did not know that. Yes, if you go to Peoria, the top real estate guy in that city is J.R. Koch. He's doing really well. He's a piece of phenomenal. But I don't know. I remember Sam Oakey drinking a gallon of milk every night, that pre-game meal, he would literally get a picture of it and down the entire thing in front of us.

But he was another McDonald's All-American I played with. I played with three or four of those guys that I wouldn't. People used to criticize Tom Davis for not being able to recruit, and yet we've never had that many All-Americans on campus at one time ever before, so I guess that was kind of a myth. There's a recipe for getting your car running just right. And whatever you're cooking up in the garage, you'll find what you need at eBaymotors.com.

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Married my high school sweetheart, Tulana Wepping. Her dad was a great football coach in the state of Iowa for many years. and started a family. So that's what happened and got out of pharmaceuticals, farm with my dad, and I'm still doing television. You didn't, like, was it because of the back, or did you lose the love for it? Why hang it up? It was strictly for the back.

No, I did not. I loved the game. I was just in too much pain. I had kind of run out of options. I was working out that summer for a team in Australia. and ended up hurting it even worse to where it just, I didn't have a choice anymore, so it basically made the decision for me. So, yeah, the injuries really damaged my career.

The back injury is so brutal to deal with, and even in small ways it's always bothering you, and it just wiped me out. Yeah, yeah. So now you're covering the league. How much different is the Big Ten now from when you played? it's different because for several reasons it's really hard with with sheshefsky and caliperi and now penny hard away it's almost like Doug they take the top 20 guys every year and just leave the scraps for everyone else so i remember my freshman year when i played i played against

grant hill when he was i think a senior at duke uh in a in a non-con game and then you can look at the Big Ten, I went up against the Fab Five one night. You go up against the Sean Leonard of Minnesota the next night. You go up against Dion Thomas in Illinois the night after that. Glenn Robertson then comes to town after you're already worn down and you're a freshman and then here comes the Big Dog who will drop 40 on you. We, it felt like at that time, and especially when you and I were growing up in the late 80s, it seemed like the Big Ten got all of the elite players.

Now that's probably not the case, but it felt like there was a lot of pick every other night coming to Carverhawkeye Arena. So now it's a little bit different. We don't quite get those level of guys. And so there's a lot more parity and not quite as much attention on that. The new rules obviously have probably, in my opinion, as a fan, I've hurt the Big Ten more than the other league as far as you can't grab and hold and you can't fight to the death. That's what I loved about it playing in and growing up and watching it.

And the freedom of movement rules have totally changed the way the game is coached. like Nick Ward for Michigan State, Caleb Wesson for Ohio State, Matt Harms from Purdue. They can't even stay on the floor anymore. And yes, it's their own doing because they know the rules and the coaches train them that way. But if those guys were to play when we played, you didn't even think about filing out. I literally never thought ever about filing out of the game. So those are a couple changes. Yeah.

You would have been a small ball center, though. You realize that, right? Like you would have had fives on you. No doubt. It would have been a five. Yeah. A small ball, what, stretch five? Is that what did you call it?

I don't know if you'd have to, yeah, you'd be a fall. You'd just be a small ball five, yes. Stretch five is more just strict shooter. Like you'd be a small ball five. We could step out and face up, you score in the post, you know, you rebound. The paint would be empty. Can you imagine the paint being empty and you playing at the five, catching the ball at the top of the key?

Like, what would that be like? Unbelievable. And no one could touch you, you know, you just lower the shoulder and just attack and you'd get a whistle one way or the other. It's really interesting to see how the game has changed. I mean, the first round now of the NBA draft, so many of these guys who I was growing up with would have been late first round pick,

maybe early second round pick, instead of lottery pick. So it's really fascinating. What's your take on it? Do you like all the new rules? Would it affected you? I mean, you were lead, you led the nation of the system. It felt like every year you were playing. I would say, look, I mean, the way guys play now, when I got to Notre Dame, this is a great question, when I got to Notre Dame, I would, the way I played, you'd come down, you shoot three in transition or come off a ball screen and make a play, or you get to the hoop.

I didn't have a middle game. And from the moment I stepped on campus, John McLeod's whole thing was, Dougie, you've got to have a mid-range game, right? Like literally trying to rewire me. and and you know we ran an offense that was not a good fit for me it was it was basically like a two-side motion you know almost blocker mover-esque you set you know where the guys you're on one side with a screener and then the point guards up top and you almost never go through or we'd run a set and we didn't run you know a set secondary break we just kind of playground and transition so it was it was a it was a real fight so in terms stylistically the style of basketball is played now be by most coaches would be much better for how I grew up playing. Now, having the lane wide open, I realized that because my shooting went to, went to pots, you know, it would still be hard to get the rim, but a lot different. I mean, I think it'd be better for me.

I think the guys that it's hurt are the you guys or the power forwards in the centers. And those are the guys that, you know, it's like you brought up Nick Ward, perfect example. He's a first round pick 10, 15 years ago, right? He's a left-handed power forward. He's a first-round pick. Now he doesn't have a – I mean, he's not going to be an NBA player, and he's not. No. It's just a – it's a very different game.

I agree with you in terms of the physicality of the Big Ten. I also think maybe the bigger one is guys leaving so early, and the Big Ten generally doesn't have – obviously, Michigan's lost a ton, Michigan State's lost a bunch, Ohio State's lost some. But the Big Ten does have a tendency to have the best recidivitous rate of any of the big conferences. I wonder, honest question, now, if you were coming, if you were in college now, before you hurt your back, you know, would you have gone to the NBA? Do you have any, I don't know, bitterness is the word, but do you have any regrets over staying as long as you did because your back got progressively worse? And you didn't have a post-college basketball career. That's a deep question.

I think you, when we grew up, and when I went to the University of Iowa, you went to Notre Dame, there's no question that we had a desire to play in the NBA. I think everybody has a desire that was somewhat like that. But first and foremost, the desire was to win a national championship. Well, first and foremost, it was to get a college scholarship, right? There you go. So the first thing was like, man, I just want to get a scholarship. And you get a scholarship?

Yeah. And you felt like, and then it's, man, I just, now I just want to start. And I just want to start. Yes. And, I mean, I chose Notre Dame because I could start right away. And I'm still pissed. I didn't start the first four games, even though I wasn't the better player in practice. You know?

So then I want to start. Then you want to start, like, okay, now, like, I want to get to the tournament. I want to become all league. You know, I mean, all these things were important, whereas it does feel like the only thing that's really important is, man, I got to get to the league. And it feels like it's skipping steps. I totally agree. It's a fascinating conversation.

I mean, your legacy back then was to get a scholarship. I mean, that was such a big deal. If you got minutes, I mean, when I went to the University of Iowa, I was hoping to play by my sophomore junior year. I mean, I was just hoping that it would open up like that. As a matter of fact, when I was being recruited by Michigan, I just looked at their roster, and I looked at the guys they were recruiting behind me, like tractor trailer, Mo Taylor, guys who were really good,

and a lot of other bigger names. And I just thought, I'm not going to get the minutes here. I'm just like you going to Notre Dame. I've got to go. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in.

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and be good at this game and never get one paycheck from playing this game. And so then it becomes, you become a little more self-focused, unfortunately, when you get injured and you start planning your individual career. But it was never, it was never at all like it was today, although if we grew up in today's game, Doug, we probably think the same way. Yeah. I mean, look, if I have any bitterness, I just, I want to play one game. I want to play in the Final Four.

Came up one game short. I want to play in the NBA. And I, you know, I did rookie camps and vet camps, but never the true, like the true training camp. So I never even played a preseason game. But I still would deem my career a success, not just for what I've been able to do post career, but like, look, I accomplished a lot of the things that people only dream of accomplishing.

So I still have perspective, whereas, like, we are kind of raising. kids to not understand, you know, they'll tweet out like truly blessed to get an offer from Duquesne University. Like, yeah, but that's not really how you feel. You should feel really truly blessed to get an offer, but you don't. You feel almost entitled and, you know, almost entitled to get a shot in the league, and people don't realize how hard that is. So, yes. So I've known you for many years, Doug, and always appreciated you and been very proud of your success. And after playing the game. But I'll tell you, and you've got to give me in a comment of this.

The time that I really fell in love with you is when you went face-to-face with Marcus Fizer, the Big 12 tournament. Nobody went face-to-face with that guy. You've got to fill me in on that story. Okay, so Iowa State, the first year I'm in the Big 12. Again, like I, so the year I sat, I went Notre Dame, I sat out, went to junior college,

and then that year they played UCLA in the tournament, great game in the tournament. I think in the second round, UCLA beat him. What was a little, what was a little guard's name? Holloway? I mean, it was tiny. Jay C. Holloway, maybe?

Jay C. Halloway. Man, he was tiny. There you go. So I remember I was at Malarkees in Newport Beach. And I was, and I am not a big drinker. I do not go out much. But a buddy of mine, Clay McKnight, who is also transferring sitting out. He went from UC Irvine to Pacific.

We go down to Malarkey's. We're watching the NCAA tournament, and we start drinking, and we've been there all day, and we are hammered. and we're watching and I just, I remember Iowa State liking it and liking a little bit of the story, and I knew a lot about Iowa basketball. So my first year we're at Oakland State, we play Tim Floyd's there. They're not very good, play them on Big Monday. They did some weird shit where they'll, like, not guard you.

And whoever the best player was, they'd guard you and they would face guard you, not look at anybody else. And the guy who was guarding like Adrian Peters, our best player, he'd actually say, like hands off, hands off, hands off, hands off. It was almost like their program. They'd run like a triangle in two. So I actually played really well. I hit a bunch of shots and we kicked their ass. They weren't very good.

The next year was Pfizer's first year or maybe no, his second year. And they were a little bit better. It was Eustacee's first year. And we kicked the hell of them in our place. So we go up there my senior year. And at Oklahoma State, we've only got beaten by double figures twice, I believe. I believe it twice in three years. Once was Texas my sophomore year.

they actually weren't very good, but they just blasted us, and I got benched at halftime because I talked back to coach. And he took me out for a mistake that wasn't my mistake, and it was one of my first road games for him, and I was like, that's bullshit. And he's like, you know what's bullshit. You sit there, put on your sweats and help me coach. Right.

So anyway, my senior year, we're good. I mean, we're really, really good. and we go up to Ames and you know they have Tinsley they have Pfizer they have and they got a squat

like Shirley did even play on that team Stevie Johnson's their center at like 6 5 he shot like 90% from the floor because they're all layups and dunks

perfect college basketball team and they kicked the living shit out of us they beat us by like 19 and we're like are you fucking kidding me this team like we're better than them

so big 12 tournament um god who we play Oh, we play Kansas the first day, and we're going to win the league, and then we lost Oklahoma last game of the year at home, last game in Gallagher. We're up nine. Coach subs me out because he thinks they're going to foul me. We just go in the tank.

I don't take an open shot at the end of a game. Anyway, we lose it home. So now we're the – we went from what would have been the one seed to, I think, the four seed, and we play Kansas. And we had beaten Kansas by 30. 33, and we beat Kansas by 19. Wow. And we beat Kansas by 19.

It was Heinrich and Collison were freshmen. And we kicked the dog piss out of them. And so the next day we play Iowa State. And they won the league. They're the one seed, we're the four seed. And I don't know if you've been to Kansas City, but Iowa State when they're shitty, Iowa State when they're good. Kansas City is filled with Iowa State fans.

Like they're crazy. Oh, yeah. It's a home way for home. It's unbelievable. So we walk in and we brought a good, we probably bought 5,000 fans and they probably brought 10,000 fans. And then there's like 5,000, you know, other fans for the other side of the bracket or whatever. Place is packed, this old Kemp Arena. So they're talking all kinds of shit.

And early in the game, I had a pass, Fred Yon-Sin, who's our Swedish center sophomore. He's running down the middle of lane and I'm kind of dribbling right. to left and I throw kind of a no look like through a bunch of arms he gets and he dunks it and I am fucking woofing. I am running my mouth. Coming for you. We're coming for you motherfuckers. We're coming for you, right?

Because they won the league and we're coming for. And the next time we like, it's kind of the same like we were running Carolina secondary, but we would just, Fred was our rim runner. So instead of throwing like through the defense, I throw it over the defense and Freddie catches and he's about to dunk it and Pfizer Fowzer fouls the shit out of him. Like, and Marcus Fisor was, I don't know what, 6'5, whatever, 2, 230.

Yeah. And I mean, he's built like you and I mean, he fouled Freddie hard. And so, you know, like this kind of comes back to my Notre Dame, like, John McLeod was big on standing up for your guys. Now big guys are supposed to stand up for little guys, no more than a little guy. So I get right in Pfizer's face was like, you know, like,

you know, like, I don't know, I was just running my mouth. I'm like head to, my head to his chest. Like he could pommel me with his head. but I'm right up in his chest. The part that sucks about it was, I appreciate that you like that. We should have won the game. We got a four-point lead with like two and a half to go.

And Desmond Mason, our best players in All-American, he fouls out. And we got a little selfish. And then they would do this thing to make me score, right? Where I'd drive in and they'd bluff at me and then get back. And almost leave like an open lane. And I missed a layup.

And then I missed another way. one where I drove in and I was so, I was so hype that, like, I still have the picture of it. My hand was over the rim to, like, dunk it. And I, like, I was going to finger roll it. Instead, I turned it around to dunk it. And I, the ball slid. I hit the back of the rim, like some high school idiot trying to dunk. And then I made one of two free throws late, whatever, like Joe Atkins, that way, I was shitty,

he was shitty, and we lost the game. The funny part of the story is, we lose the game, we should have won the game. Mason shouldn't have fouled out. We didn't do well, and we got a bad seed, a worse seed because of it. But we're walking out of the arena, and Tinsley and Pfizer had to do a piss test. We all had to, like, me, him, and I think it was Deson Mason. We all had to do our drug test afterwards. And, like, you know how those games are.

Like, you're so tired to end of the season. You've got nothing left. You're like, man, I need, like, to drink, like, two Gatorades just to work up a P to fill up this bottle. Right, you can't go. Right. So you're in the same room. and we just got done like woofing at these guys and they're literally sitting two chairs across from us.

They just won and we just lost and it's the most uncomfortable thing ever. So there you go. There's my Pfizer-Tinsley story. Career Builder is made for people who have that thing. You know, those superpowers that make you good at your job, the skills you bring to work. And CareerBuilder knows those skills make you right for other jobs too.

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Right at the end. Yeah, no, it fell apart. My Marcus Pfizer story is when I came back my last year, I believe it was 1999, I believe that was his first year. because what year was, that was that game? No, that was the second. That was 2000. So that was the second,

because he played three years. Because when they beat us, when they beat us in Ames, they were chanting, MVP one more year, one more year. So I think he stayed three years. So it was a second year.

So he had a phenomenal, you're exactly right. I mean, they were the ultimate college basketball team. I ended up covering them a few years later when I worked for CBS 2, and they lost the Michigan State

to go to the final four, which... That was the next year. That's the same year I'm talking about. That's the very next year. That was the national championship game, basically. Those were the two best teams in the country probably. And then we were, yes, and I thought we were probably the third best, but we were so...

I forgot about that. Because we lost in the other elite eight, we lost to Florida who was, they were young, but they were stacked. I mean, like nine dudes that played in the NBA, and we just played like shit. And they had a better game plan, and we just didn't play well. But, yes, you're completely right. Iowa State and Michigan State, that was like a national champion. That's when you, Stacey went crazy and got thrown out and walked off the court and walked across the street and had a beer. I was at that game.

I was covering that game. It was mind-blowing, Mo Pete and company. The year before, when Pfizer was his first year on the team, Eustachia was trying to send messages. So it was probably, what, the fourth or fifth game of the year where Iowa State and Iowa always play that big game. And it was in Carver Hockey, and I remember watching the tape and studying the tape. But this is my sixth year. I don't have much strength anymore.

I'm just more of a perimeter player, not a power guy. I'm watching Pfizer on tape, and I tell the guys, there's no way I can hang with this guy. Like, he's going to beat me to sleep. He's like kind of a Charles Barkley college type of player. Yeah. And so we get in the game, and he picks up somehow, he picks up a couple quick fouls.

And you stay, she throws him in the doghouse, probably plays him five to ten more minutes the rest of the game, and we beat him by, let's say, 10 points, all because he was sitting on the bench. So that's how you stacey kind of was, the mind games. And also a good lesson. You know, you just show up and play, no matter who you're playing,

and you never know how the story's going to go. No question. Okay. I thought they did a great job with Tinsley. He couldn't shoot, but they would run stuff for him to get post-ups and mid-range stuff. And so they would hide that he couldn't shoot at all. And that allowed Tinsley to be Tinsley.

And he was a really hard cut for me. He was so big. And if you gave him ground, like people would play off of me, I was too small, so the only way to do that is to, to beat him in transition to shoot, and I wasn't a good shooter, and Eddie had no confidence in me, so I had no confidence.

But he was so big. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. So you played from the cloud. You played for Sutton. Who are a couple other guys with your coaching mind, now your analyst mind? Who are a couple other guys from that era who you would have loved who played for a year? I love to play for self.

I think he's awesome. For Bill Self? Yeah. I mean, he lets you play. Illinois, right? No, he was at Tulsa. Tulsa. I was the Tulsa.

Yeah, he was at Tulsa. They went to the lead A, too. They were a great team. They lost to North Carolina. Just, but Self, he, he was hard on you, but he let his guards kind of go and let, let guys play even then. I almost played for Izzo. I mean, I think I would have been kind of the, if I would have taken, I'd call me from the delivery room of his first baby.

I put the doctor on the phone, and I would have been his first point guard because my freshman year was the first year, was the first year he was head coach. Had I taken that, I'd be a head coach in college right now. Right? Like, it would have been perfect. But I didn't even visit because Trailer didn't visit and Albert White didn't visit. But I would have loved playing with Antonio Smith and Jason Klein and that crew. And, you know, Meteen might not have ever gone there because he was the next year and he only went there because the car accident with Michigan on his visit.

Who else? I mean, like, look, you know, I always thought I wanted to play at Duke. White point guard, Duke, Bobby Hurley was my idol. Like, that was a, that was kind of an easy one. That was one I would have. And Arizona didn't recruit me and I had friends that went to Arizona. They took Jason Terry instead of me and eventually Mike Bibby ahead of me. And that would have been amazing just because the way they played.

Or UCLA. And I didn't go to UCLA because, you know, Herrick did recruit over guys, and he didn't care. And he would tell you, like, five guys, Dougie, we play the five best guys. UCLA high post offense, not the only offense, just the best, you know? All right, last thing, I got a couple more for you. Last thing. Your favorite arena to play in?

Back when I played, I would say Illinois and Iowa had a huge rivalry over the Dionne Thomas situation. That place was nuts. It's not the same anymore. and then Hilton Coliseum and Ames, you played in there. That was an incredible place to play outside of Carbara Arena. Okay. Best player you thought you ever played against? Freshman year, it seems like I played against so many legends.

I would say Glenn Robinson, far and away in college, was the best player I ever played against. I've talked to many assistant coaches who had to scout him in the 90s. They all would agree that he was far and away the best player of that era in the Big Ten. played against Grant Hill, like I mentioned before, but he wasn't Grant Hill of the Pistons. When he was in college, he was not on the attack, where Big Dog would attack you on every possession.

My freshman year, which is the only time I played him, I made the mistake. I was playing well against him. I was, for some reason, I was feeling my oaths, and I was in a defensive stance, and I said, come on, Big Dog, come on, come at me. I don't know why I would have ever said that. In the middle of the game, Doug, he starts chuckling at me,

in the middle of the game, ends up with 38, dunked on us multiple times. Glenn Robertson wasn't even close. And then how do you, when, like you have a family, how many kids? I have three little girls, 14, 11, and 8. When people tell them, come up to them and say, man, your daddy was a great player, right? Which just always feels cool, right? How do you want to be described? to your kids.

So I've taken the approach, my wife and I, we don't put pictures out and jerseys and trophies and things like that. I don't know why. Because when I go to my other teammate houses, I absolutely love that more than anything else to see all the memorabilia. But I just wanted them to grow up not knowing much about it just so they didn't have to live up to any false expectations. And that may be wrong.

It may be right. But that's sort of been the way we've done it. So my 14-year-old is now because of Twitter, because of the Big Ken network, you know, being on television. She'll constantly be getting asked things like that. So what's the question? How do I want to be remembered? How do you want to be described? Just as a great teammate and a great Hawkeye.

I mean, my dream was always a play for the Hawkeyes, and that's what I want to be remembered as. were the wrestlers tougher than you? They were, they may have been clinically insane, right? I mean, it's great guys, but John Streep, our legendary trainer, always used to say the difference between the wrestlers and the rest of the athletes is that they, you know, they partied just as hard as everybody else, but at five, the next morning they'd be in the weight room lifting and working out why everybody else would be sleeping in. I grew up in the Dan Gable era at Iowa.

Sure. So, you know, they won a national championship every year. and it's hard for basketball guys to love wrestlers, but in Iowa it wasn't hard with Dan Gable. My first, maybe the second week I was on campus, I went up and I asked Gable if I could ride the exercise bike in the wrestling room just because I thought it would be more intense than riding it out on the basketball court. And I think that's the first time you'd ever had a basketball guy request to be able to work out in the wrestling room.

But he said yes. And so then he gets on the bike next to me, Doug. and I ride it for half an hour and I'm riding it hard, but he tries to do it harder than me. He's trying to break the machine to show me that he still got it, and I don't.

So that's kind of their mentality. Iowa wrestlers were as tough as they got. It was incredible. Oklahoma State, too. I always say this, three things that'll survive, nuclear holocaust, Twinkies, cockroaches,

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