The Herd with Colin Cowherd - All Ball - New Pay For Play Law Gets It Wrong; NBA Workout Guru Rob McClanaghan Talks Training Steph, KD, LeBron

Episode Date: October 3, 2019

This week, Gottlieb explains why he's opposed to the recently passed California legislation that aims to pay college players for their names and likeness, and talks with NBA workout guru to the stars Rob McClanaghan about his path from Syracuse walk-on to training NBA superstars like Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant, LeBron and Steph Curry. Make sure you download, rate and subscribe here to get the latest All Ball Podcasts! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So what happens is, I'm sure you read my tweets, or maybe you don't, and you're like, well, this guy, he doesn't want college athletes get paid. He just, he wants to keep all the money himself. You know, like, look, I'm just a realist about it. No, I don't think I should be paid to play above what they get for a scholarship. Scholarship is pretty awesome. Getting into college you couldn't get into. Never really having to ask for money for food, for clothes, for anything, right?

And like what you're not told is like, well, what if you come from a household where you don't have any money? Like, okay, we can apply for a Pell Grant and get nearly $7,000 in a Pell Grant in addition to a cost of attendance and all the other stuff. well you can't work you can work i worked i attended bar in the fall i you know in the summer if you stay there you get a job but you also like the nca's created this thing where you don't have to work you really don't have to and you got everything kind of taken care of for you and and like look there's lots of different layers to get into it but i think one of the important pieces i believe i believe that we all need college we need that time away from home where you're not living at home as a child,

but you're also not an adult out in the real world. And you need pieces of the real world. One of those pieces is the relationships that you build, knowing that all these people you're around are going to be your contemporaries in the workplace for the rest of your life. Another piece of the real world is learning how to manage your time and your money. That's really what you learn most in college, right,

is about relationships, building, fostering relationships, not just romantic, just friendships and otherwise. and how to balance your time and your money. Because you don't have, you don't necessarily have to go to every class. But you got to go to enough of them. We know you're doing. And if you want to get A's, you obviously do.

But I also think that you need to learn to balance your time in that, are you going to go work out? Are you going to go hang out? Are you going to study? What are you going to do with all of your time? And then with your money, you get a scholarship check. You know, you get $5, $600 above and beyond that of your rent check. What are you going to do with that money so that you have it a little bit to spend at the end of every month?

And we've created this system where, you know, managing money is a lot, is not as important because now you can get a meal anytime you want. They can't cut you off from meals with a training table or all the things that you can have inside of a training room. I know. there's additional monies you can make with working camps and when coaches have these fantasy camps as well, you'll get an additional check. There's ways to manipulate summer school so that you get paid based upon how many hours you take.

You sign it for 18 hours, then you cut it down to like nothing in terms of six or nine hours and you still keep that check. There's lots of different ways in which you can have a little bit of a buffer between the real world and the fake world. but you still need to learn to manage money. And this idea that we're just going to,

we're going to have these small sponsorship deals, you go down to Chris's University Spirit, make an appearance and you get 500 bucks. Forget about, well, you can't forget about, but this is going to hurt, I think, athletic departments who need that revenue in order to pay for all the things that they pay for. But it's also just going to hurt the general idea

of what college athletics is about. Like, look, you're coming here to get everything taken care of. And if you're a good enough athlete, if you're good enough of your sport, when you're done playing, you can do a sign autographs, you can make appearances, you can get all that money. You don't actually need it now. And because you don't truly have a value, you're actually just getting paid to play, not getting paid for your name and likeness.

It's not to say your nightclist doesn't have any value, but really all it's done is we pool them all together and athletic departments are able to sell them. on everything they do. And that's a lot more valuable than any one person individually. But more than anything, it just gets away from the core ethics of what college athletics is about to the athlete. Your sport, your excellence in your sport, got you into a college you couldn't get into, got you total support scholastically and athletically.

You get you a degree, creates these relationships. You learn about balancing time, about balancing money, about how to play as a team, about how to play hard. and when you're done, now how good you are determines what your first, second, sometimes third job is. So let's go a little bit further into it.

All right. I've been, I've had, when I've said taxes, I've had people like Nick Wright lose their mind and say, you know, that's not a reason to,

like it actually is a legit reason. Many of you are in college athletics, or you've been around college athletics so you know that you're not paying taxes on like ticket revenue. You're not paying normal taxes. So it allows, it allows those profits to be greater,

the net to be as good as the gross or close to the gross. The problem is that like, Gavin Newsom does this. Well, they're making billions of dollars. First of individual schools aren't making billions of dollars. Those are 20 year plus deals. Signed by, you know, 10 to 14 member conferences.

That when you split it up, Is the money good? Yeah. But the expenses are also way higher than used to be. Like we're only taking gross revenue and go like, look, now they're making $30 million a year. Yeah, but everything else costs money. Debt services higher.

All the coaches make more money. The insurance is more money. The travel is more money. The offices are more money. The secretary is more money. Like everything costs more money. And so, yeah, the revenue, they've been able to generate more and more revenue than they ever have before in collegiate athletics.

They're also generating more revenue on the academic side, but no one seems to be attacking that. College has make money off of all their students. The only difference is the reward for being on scholarship now is actually greater than it used to be. It's a scholarship for a lifetime. The facilities are better. Schools are hard to get into, and yet for athletes, you still have the opportunity

to get in when others would not. You can come back whenever you want, get your degree, even get an advanced degree and beyond the field or on the court coaching. You know, you get cost of attendance now where you didn't previously. The deal is incredible. And this idea that taxes don't matter, hey, if you start paying college athletes, they can be deemed employees. If they're employees, then all of a sudden all of their things that they get. Not just the money and not just the scholarship, all can be taxed.

And some are in fact taxed and schools pay that already. But now anything they get can be seen as a benefit and be taxable. And then if they start taxing athletes. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo.

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Because it's not what we're about. The reward is the scholarship. It's an incredible reward. It's hard to get than it ever has been previously. It's more valuable than it ever was previously. And you get more once you get there for the rest of your life than you ever have previously. And yet, part of our makeup is we want more, which is also why if you have have this, it won't stop cheating. Whatever rules you put in place, if people want to go around

the rules, they will. You pay a kid $5,000 and somebody says, I'm going to pay you $10,000. I don't think the rules as they stand are unreasonable. Most people who live it don't think it's unreasonable. And yes, schools are making money, but you have to remember they're making money off everybody. Are they making more money than they used to? Yes, they're also spending more money than they used to. Not just to get the next college athlete, but also to treat them better when they're there. And the taxes do in fact matter. So I get that we act like this is a foregone conclusion. I think it's really interesting because in a couple years, the NBA is probably going to take guys straight out of high school. They can already go straight at high school to the G League.

They don't, even though they can market themselves there. I'm not sure the NCAA doesn't dig in and say, look, if you want to go to the minor leagues, you can. If you want to go here, this is our rules. I'd be interested legally what they can do, consider. they're not a free market, nor have they ever portrayed themselves as a free market. Right now, they're losing against public opinion, but that doesn't mean they're losing in the court of law. Teathing can be a real nightmare for your little ones. So are you looking for the best relief to soothe teething pain?

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Anyway, so look, we can go round and round, and I think by now you've heard my opinion on it. I think here's the thing that bothers me the most is if I had to say there were three groups, three groups that have bitched and complained about name, limnage and likeness, all three groups piss me off. And I guess I respect at least two of them. Maybe even three. Gavin Newsom. He's an elected official.

By the way, look, he went to Santa Clara. How much you think it cost to go to Santa Clara? Imagine if you got that for free and you couldn't afford it. But like Gavin Newsom talking about some shit, he has no way. idea about saying the student athlete gets nothing like it just in the state of California the idea that you can go to Cal Stanford UCLA get into these schools you couldn't get into walk away with no student debt and especially when you know those athletic departments are not they're not rolling in money like to to poo the education

and opportunities when you're supposed to be as an elected official wanting more and more of those opportunities, especially in people from lower socioeconomic backgrounds. But more than anything, like, he and LeBron James, hey, you didn't fucking play college basketball. You haven't earned a scholarship. Like, LeBron, this doesn't affect you. You were getting paid in high school anyway. Right? That's like the Ed O'Bannon thing.

Like, Ed O'Bannon leading this charge, like, dude, Ed O'Bannon, why do you think he signed at UNLV? And then all of a sudden he goes to UCLA after UNLV gets on. probation. And by the way, Ed, like, I don't know why it's weird. Like, Ed Elvana's always been a superclass guy and was a great player in a national player of the year. And it didn't work out from the NBA. And yeah, I guess he hasn't used his name and likeness to kill it. But that's a UCLA and a U problem. Because most everyone else in the real world, if you go to a college and play basketball and have the career that Ed O'Bannon has, you'd be calling their games right now. You'd be

around their athletic department right now. You'd be earning a salary because of who you were. didn't and I don't know why that's everybody else's problem. I feel like, so, so, so like LeBron, who this doesn't pertain to you, you didn't, if you played college basketball, I do think you'd have a different perspective on it. Same thing with Gavin Newsom. The last group is the Dukies. Billis is big on this. We've had him on the pod.

He's actually a good friend and a mentor. Jay Williams, I don't know if he's my friend or not my friend. I can't tell based upon the day. But I, I generally like the guy and love the fact that he's gone through some really dark times in his life and is now super successful in this profession. But are we fucking kidding ourselves? Like the Dukies all have their jobs because for the most part they were really good players, sometimes like Jay, great players.

But because they went to Duke, it's like their skulls. You know, they have the secret combination. They get the secret handshake. So they live on their reputation that was established when they played. Jay Williams, everything he's done. it's not because he was the second pick in the draft and because he played for the Chicago Bulls. You know, or that tragic accident. Like, the reason that he has had all of these opportunities was he was a great player at arguably the best basketball school in the country,

coached by the best basketball in the history of modern day basketball. And that opens doors for you, even 10 years after you're done playing. And so for the Dukies to complain about the system, which they. benefit from more so than anybody else, I find to be at least ironic. At least ironic. But alas, this seems to be a path that many of you think you want to go down. And I want to point this out. It strikes me as the beginning of the end of college athletics and what it was about.

And in this day and age, when it's harder to get into and harder to pay for college than it ever has been before, you will go back and you will say, Gottlieb is right. It was better the way it was. It just was. It was better the way it was. Yeah. People in charge make a little bit more money than maybe you think they should. Welcome to life, buddy.

All right. Let's get you to a really, really fun conversation. Robert Clanahan is the workout guy of the stars. He has a new bookout. It's called Network. Get it? Network. It's really kind of an interesting tale of a guy who was a good player in high school.

walk on in college to being the guru for so many of the superstars of the NBA. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Doug Gottlieb show weekdays at 3 p.m. Eastern, noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the IHeart Radio app. All right, let's welcome him in to the All Ball podcast. Rob McClanahan. He joins us as I want to talk about a bunch of things. Let's start with your journey because now people reading about you, hearing about you, understanding how you work with so many NBA stars on kind of perfecting their craft. You grew up where?

Yeah, I grew up in Rhode Island, Crensen, Rhode Island. So I'm born and raised there, went through Catholic Boy School here, and then ended up walking out of Syracuse. So, wait, wait, wait, see, like, you skipped over a whole bunch of stuff. Like, were you, how good were you in high school? I was an average player. I didn't really play my junior year. Started my senior one-state championship.

probably could have played Division 2 somewhere, but definitely no D1 offers at all. So then why did you go to Syracuse? Well, initially the plan was, you know, go there for broadcasting, media kind of stuff. It's what I kind of wanted to do. And then decided, you know, I'll try to walk on. So you get to Syracuse, you walk on.

Your freshman year, you try and walk on? I try to walk in my freshman year. I know growing up in Providence when the Big East was, you know, the real biggie. Yeah. really got in the love of that, you know, part of the game. And, yeah, I try to walk on my freshman year. I remember, again, Dr. Mike Hopkins and Louis Oren those guys.

And they said you can work out with the team. Doesn't mean you're going to make the team unless your dad, you know, donate the nice check. And that wasn't happened. So, Coach, let me, you know, work out with the team. I didn't make my freshman year. They took no walk on. So I asked what I had to do. They said, you know, put out a lot of weight.

You know, hopefully you grow a little bit of six feet. and I put on 30 pounds, grew two inches, and ended up making the team. All right, so you make the team in 98, right? That was a team we played against in the NCAA tournament, if I recall, 98, 99 in Indianapolis. Let's see here, how many I can get. That was the noon game on Thursday. I know. I know.

Those are the best or the worst. It all depends. We actually played that game two years. Yeah, because, yeah, because your season's over, or you get to watch everybody else win and you already won, like that, so it became... Right, right. So that team was Eton Thomas, uh,

Ryan Blackwell, Jason Hart, uh, who else is on that? Alan Griffin, Desmond, Desmond Brown. Um,

the team was talented, but not very good. Like, why wasn't that team better? Yeah, you know, I don't think we had a lot of shooters, you know,

uh, and I don't know what it was, man. We, we were just up and down, all year. You know, we went for a nor over,

but then we lose, you know, two or three straight. We just didn't come together when we needed to. And I remember, I remember being in Washington tournament,

we're coach and, you know, in Syracuse, and we're like, you got that new game. It's just, the vibe wasn't good. And then if we want,

we were to play Auburn. Yeah. The one seat, if I'm right. Yeah. So, yeah. So that was the only year

I was there. We actually lost in the first round. Okay, so what was, what did you, for your profession, what you do today, what was it about that experience at Syracuse that you learned that you drew upon? Because I will say that like, and people think I'm like anti-Siracuse is dumb,

whatever. But I do think that I think not playing man to man hurts those guys. You know, like Jason Hart, now it didn't hurt Jason Hart who became a great kind of tough hard-nosed defender in the NBA and lasted for over a decade, whatever. But I do think that for four stars like like look they literally don't learn anything about man to man defense during their time there and there's also kind of a mentality that that has to be changed um offensively i feel like hop late in his run there uh maybe the like the last final 14 they ran a little bit more kind of higher level stuff but it's very very basic in terms of what they do offensively i don't know if that hurts guys but and and maybe it's

that Syracuse's had guys that were underrated going into Syracuse that became overrated because Syracuse is such a big program and is so successful in the Big East, and then because they were maybe overvalued, they get to the NBA and they don't, outside of Carmelo, they don't have the same impact. But I'm wondering what about your experience at Syracuse first. Why did it help you get to where you are today? Yeah, I think the main reason I fell up with the workout stuff initially was because of Mike You know, he's really, really good at play development.

His mentor was Gerger, you know, Gerg. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise.

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talking trash, sweating, and being a major part of the workout, not just passing the ball. So I thought that was pretty cool. I was in a lot of those workouts in the guard groups. so he was definitely my mentor early on kind of still is with all that stuff and that's when I first learned what worked the guys out really really can be

and Jason Hart was a was a workout phenom I mean this guy was nonstop he improved every single year so watching Jay go through the workers with a hop which was really cool to see it's funny

because it's like everybody wants a guy like hop it to be I didn't have that like Sean said and worked me out but it wasn't and he was great, but because he did so much more coaching, like once the season started, I didn't have a guy. And so I didn't feel like I kept up with my workouts. And, you know, look, my thing became, I didn't think I could shoot, so I wouldn't shoot. And nobody believed I could shoot because I didn't

believe myself, but I didn't have anybody kind of supporting me. Like, that's kind of the magic to what Hop does, right? Is that not only does he work you out, but he gives you this undi- belief in yourself that you think you can achieve, which allows you to achieve. Yeah, his energy is ridiculous. You know, and he's always positive. You know, Jason Hart and him were extremely close. And he believed in Jason. And again, he was kind of like that, too.

You know, nobody, he couldn't really shoot that much. I don't believe he could shoot. And at times, Jason, he could shoot. And Hop was the one, like you just said, and made him believe, you know, through the work. And it's kind of like when I work guys out, you know, if you work at all summer, you go into the season, like, you're confident you're going to make shots. You know, I always say it's like, you know, taking a test in high school. If you have an exam on Friday, study a week, you go in there pretty confident.

If you study in the bus Friday morning for the first time, you're going there, like, oh, God, you know, I'm not going to do well on this. So, Hop was really good at that. You know, he held you accountable. You know, I mean, there were times hot. If you didn't show for the workout, he would go to your room on campus and get you up. I mean, literally, you would do that. And his energy was great. And every practice in all my years, Syracuse, they still do it.

every practice starts, you know, 20 or 30 minutes, guard group, big group, small forward group. And at that point, it was, you know, Bernie Fine, Louis-R, and then Hop, and then later on it was Trey Weaver. But, and that was a big thing in Syracuse, just getting better. You know, the practice weren't long because we didn't really have to scout too much. You know, it's the zone and that kind of stuff. So it was really just working guys up before practice, at practice, and after practice. It's fascinating.

Fascinating, how different. And Hopp has told me that, like, it's one of the things about playing his zone is that you'd be amazed at how much it allows you to focus on other things. Okay, so your last year at Syracuse was what year? So, 01, we started out 19-0 and went up losing in the first round of the biggest tournament to Miami, and that killed our seed. We were probably going to be a two-seed because of that loss. I think we were the only 19th.

One people lived with 19th, because that loss, we went to four-seed. And we ended up playing Michigan State in 316 in Auburn Hills. And Behan was not happy about that seat, obviously. But, you know, it would be Kentucky in the second round in Cleveland. We had a patient with Prince and those guys, but won by a point. And we were feeling good about ourselves. We're a really good team. And I think we were up like 15 at the half on Michigan State.

And I remember the first play, I think, to come out of the second half, is all the drove of a play for like a, you know, back to a screen, to Mo Pete, for an alleyup and the place went on. And that was it. If they just,

they won about like 12, it was like 30 points weighing something, the second half was, it was incredible. So that was a tough way in the season because that was, I think, you know,

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Without even really interviewing, I got the GA job of South Florida. Wait, wait, before you get to the South Florida one. Yeah. Didn't you play for Syracuse against Providence, like your last Providence game, your senior year? Yeah. What was that like? So it was actually my junior year.

So it was the 2000. So, yeah, 2000 was my junior year. That's when we lost Michigan State. So that was really cool because I have my family had seven-quots side seats, and that's how I grew up, loving the Big East. And so it's funny because we played up Providence. We're 18-0 at this point. And about to be 19-0 up big.

He puts me in the game. Place goes nuts. And my family, my mother and my father, everybody, you know, had this signed Rob the Orange Man that went, like, all the way across the first row opposite. You know, you've got to be kidding me. But it's great. A guy got a shot up, missed it.

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played. It was a great player at Pitt. Obviously, his long time, right-hand man. So you're fresh out of college. All you know is all you know is Rhode Island and Syracuse hoop. You show up at South Florida. What was that like? Yeah, I took my mother's car,

drove down in my inner Camry and moved in Tampa there and they were in their campus and it was cool. I kind of did everything. You know, look at GA does. I helped break down film. I actually work guys out. I was actually the back of point guards to practices. So it was a different, I didn't realize that college was like that in a sense where it's not a lot of basketball.

You know, it's making sure, you know, kids are in school, make sure that they get fed, running camps, recruiting, sending out letters, you know, you can't work guys out more than like an hour week, you know. So in that sense, I wanted to be on the court. And I didn't enjoy as much I thought I would, quite honestly. you know, but me and Yank became very close friends. He was my roommate on the road, Zimov. So he was a great guy to talk to because, you know, he's done a lot. He's been working with those guys. And Clyde Ball was great.

So I had some good guys around me, but the experience of not being out of the court all day long, I didn't really like. So I ended up, you know, leaving there in May. But we had a good year. We're 7-0. And like fifth game of the season. I'm sorry, 8th game of the season. and we played at Syracuse, which was crazy for me.

You know, six months removed for Syracuse. Here I am. You know, on the other bench. And we went to losing the game. That was my only scout of the year. That was with Syracuse. So you leave in May and what you decided to do, golf in your own then? Yeah, while I was down there, Doug, I met the guys at IMG Academy.

So, you know, everything happens for a reason. And I met Joe Bounisar and those guys are IMG. That's when they had junior college. Didn't have any facilities for work guys out. that. And I was like, well, you can work out for a living. This is kind of cool. You know, so went home, went back to my high school, Bishop

Hendonton High School, became a phys ed teacher. Moving my mother, so things are going really well. And every summer, because I was a teacher, physette teacher, I interned at IMG Academy, with Joe and rebounded for Garnett, Tyloo, Tashon Prince, Al Harrington,

and, you know, kind of my first look into really, you know, working guys out, you know, full-time for a job. Okay, so when did you make it into a job? Well, then Joe left IMG and 06-07, open the facility, Impact Basketball in Las Vegas. He took me his right hand man, did that. For a year, that was a Jared Deli, Ryan Gomes kind of guys,

tell fear. And then I met B.J. Armstrong and Bob Myers and Antelham. at Worsman. And I was recommended through Troy Weaver at the time, who I think was with the Thunderer Jazz, and Troy was my assistant in Syracuse, my senior year. And they wanted a workout guy full-time, which didn't even exist.

So we aren't for me into his house and Bob Myers, DJ, and came up this idea. They let's talk about full-time. Do a pre-draft worker's out in the summer at St. Monica's High School. And see guys during the year. They had a guy like that before a little bit, part-time. you know, Neil O'Shea, was now with the Blazers.

But after me, after him, it was, they brought me in, but this time was full time. So who was the guy who you first, uh, kind of became their guy and, and,

and, and, and had kind of that first initial relationship with. Because that's generally kind of, I feel like how it works is like, yeah, you were working for Arne and working out all his guys and, and,

and, and, but there's usually a guy or two that you connect with, um, that really kind of, of knights you, if you will, to the rest of the NBA community? Yeah, definitely. I rewind a little bit.

My first couple of guys that I had to a pro were Ruben Garces, who was a pro at the time of the season, and Ryan Goans was a junior at Providence. And Ryan, I worked on Ryan Free, became All-American. And then he went pro, kept me on. But my first big break was getting at the ABCD camp, and I hounded Sonny. I mean, hounded of his story of my book about how he fans. He backed his house every day for like 50 days. He won't return my calls.

So I literally faxed his house. Finally, Bobby Hartstein calls me. The director said, you got to stop faxing. He said, you're in. You're in. That was a big break. I got in. My first year, I coached Matt Doherty. We're just going to fire to Carolina.

And I met Sonny. I said, thank you. So who are you? I said, I'm right McClend. And you go, oh, yeah, yeah, thanks, yeah. Every coach in the world call me. You faxed my house. I like your persistence.

But, man. And from there, we became extremely close. And that's where I met. Derek Rose and Kevin Love. So you fast forward to when Arnheim, he ended up signing Derek. I already had a relationship with Derek. Kevin went with an older age, but I still worked them out. And those are the first two guys that became extremely close with.

And then Kevin said, can I bring in my roommate? You know, in UCLA, and he's your roommate. This guy, Russell, he played a little bit last year. He's all right. He doesn't mind if he comes by. It was Russell Westbro. So crazy because then, you know, the 08 draft, you know, were in that class, and I had all three of those guys on top of Brooke and Robin, G.J. Augustine.

So it happened very fast for me. But I would say Derek and Kevin and Russell was my first main group, you know, for three years every day. That kind of helped me get to where I want to be. Where do you find the perfect developer? Well, we found her at her home office in Prague. But you can find her, and thousands like her. Right now on Upwork. When the world is your workforce, finding the perfect developer, designer, marketer,

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first time they made the playoffs and they lost the Lakers. They had exit meetings like the next day. And he had Kevin in. and he goes, what are your plans? He's like, I don't know, I just, I want to go, I want to go hoop. And he's like, Kevin, listen, you've been hooping, you know, since you got in the NBA. Like, I want you to take two or three weeks and not touch a basketball. It's like, I got you.

He's like, so he literally called, put on speakerphone, called this travel agent. He's like, hey, we went to this island, like, I don't know, the Maldives or something. Like, I'll set you up. You'll go. Like, don't hoops. Oh, I got you. I'll figure it out. So he's like, all right, where are you going now?

He's like, well, I'm going back home. He's like, okay, check in with me tomorrow, but don't hoop. Give yourself a couple weeks to just clear your brain. So the next day, he couldn't get a hold of him, couldn't get a whole of him, couldn't get a whole of him. Finally, he texts him back. He's like, you know, like everything okay. And he's like, yeah, I'm just checking in with you, Kevin. And Katie's like, sorry, I was just hooping for the last three hours, right?

Like, he's ridiculous that they had to, like, dial back practices because all those guys in Oklahoma City we just could follow his lead and he'd have these like hour and a half, two hour workouts after their practices, and they felt like it would hurt the team if they were doing long practice in addition to. So is he of the guys you worked with, does he have kind of the greatest energy for working out, or who else is in that class? Oh, yeah, he's probably no. I mean, he's right there with Russell. I mean, Russell's one guy, I've had a turn down, but the Durant thing is right on cue.

I mean, Durant would fly me in once a month for five years, we're coming out in season. Now, we would just go 30 minutes, but it's crazy because, you know, OKC, they have very strict rules about having people come in, even though it was close to Sam and obviously Troy, they don't want to abandon the rules for anybody. So I remember saying to that, me, listen, Kevin Durant, he's going to find a gym. So, but they just can't bend the rules. So I remember one trip being Kevin found out of this little church gym, and it was about an hour and 20 minutes, trip just to work out for 40 minutes at 10 at night. And I told the story on a motorist podcast the other day about we flew to Paris from L.A. one time and we got stuck in on a private plane in New York.

And we had delayed six hours and landed in Paris. It's a 15-hour, 20-hour trip. We landed at midnight. This guy wants to work out. Right now, he could tell all those guys the nail up front to find a gym. I said, oh, my God. So we found a gym, I think it was like 20-hour. Parker's like club team jam or high school.

And we worked out like I went asked. It's one of the best workouts I've ever seen anybody has. And yeah, he sees. Like in what way? Like when you say, when you try to relay to people, it's what the best? What about what about the workout? For example, do you remember that made it? Last night, a blown call changed a game.

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his energy was ridiculous. To get that, it was 1 a.m. in Paris. It could have been noon. The energy was top-notch. And it was just, I don't know what it was. It's just, he made everything. We worked on post, high post, transition. And we could have gone three hours.

I was the one like, are we got to stop? It's, you know, one three in the morning here. But that's how Kevin is. And it's, you know, that one workout is why he's great. But you do that all the time. you know, that adds up. And Russell's another one. And I just, I had to take days off.

So I know what's the guy where Scott is coming from with that, because one time I said Russell, take Sunday off. Let's get after it Monday. Just give me one day. He just rest. He said, I got you. Okay, you're right. Because I always say rest is actually part of the training schedule.

I'm being lazy. I want you to rest, you know, so you can recover. And I got a call from somebody to UCLA. I'm going to go out of those guys. And he said, you know, he said, you're out there, shoot. I said, oh, my gosh, he's out there working out with a father on a Sunday. afternoon.

So, my, my Russell Westbrook story I heard from an NBA guy was, yeah, they went to see the Rico Heinz workouts at the men's gym. And Russell was over on his own court with the gun, you know, with the machine that fires, balls back. And they what, like, dudes were stopping and watching him because he was going full speed for 45 minutes, getting shots up and just at a, okay, so here, here's the question, though. right russell westbrook is a great player and he has a great work ethic and yet most guys the older they get in their career they start to lose a little bit of the juice in their legs and their shot

gets better how come by your estimation he struggled last year with a shooting yeah oh yeah he definitely struggled um so i mean so what's the question why why do you struggle you think yeah i mean like again it's it's kind of counterintuitive it's not a work ethic thing It's not like he's not working at it. And it's honestly not like his hands aren't bad. Like is there something traumatic mentally? Like why, as a guy who you know Russell, like one of the things is when you work out with guys,

you spend this much time with guys, you know them as well or better than they know themselves. Why did he have a year where it felt like a step back shooting wise? In your opinion? Yeah, I think Russell puts, you know, a ton of, pressure on himself. And he wants to will his way, you know, to win every game, sometimes on his own. So I think, you know, if you look back, some of his shots, I think shots

collection will have to do with it. You know, his mid-range, we worked out for years, and it's one of the best in the game, as you know, that elbow area is perfect for him. You know, but his form's fine, his legs are fine. It's a valid question, you know, but I think in the end, sometimes with him, it might be just just shot selection, you know? you know, sometimes he shoots

straight away three, sometimes he'll shoot a 30-footer. But when he gets in that 15, 17, 18, 80-foot range, you know, he's ridiculous. I don't know what he shot from three last year. I know wasn't good. But I think, you know, hopefully, I think this year with having more shooters, I think, around him,

you know, the percentage might go up because I think he might take better shots. It may be less shot, too. It changed out there. Yeah, well, it'll be, it's going to be going to be fascinating. It really is, yeah. What about John Wall?

What's he like? I know there's a story in your book about him texting you midgame. I'm not sure. What was he texting you midgame? Yeah, I think we're, I think it was in Boston, and I was at the game, and I think he shot, like, it might have been playoff time, I guess, the Celtics second round.

I think he was going, you think he started like one for ten or something. And he just said, you know, because I think like second row, I said, what do you see it, what the heck am I doing? And I just said simply, you stop following through. John, sometimes, you know, when he misses shots,

he kind of flicks it and runs away. Instead of just staying with a shot. And Derek Rose was the same way for a while. But that's all he said. Just follow through, man, hold it up there. You know, sometimes you just flicking and running away. So that's pretty much it. You know, a lot of these guys haven't changed their shots.

You know, Derek and somebody didn't have bad form. It's just they might have a little hitching and then follow through. And to me, it's not rocket science. You know, I don't need all these. gimmicks, you know, it's basketball. When you fly in to work out a guy, right? And you, like, you come in and now everybody in the league knows who you are. What's that like for the team?

How do teams treat you? Because teams have their own player development coach as well. Many of them, you know, I have friends who they used to do this, and then they joined a team to kind of get in the league. And you come in, you know, what's that feeling like for you? How do they treat you? How do you handle it? Initially, it wasn't great. Great healing.

No one really knew who I was. And not only that, but it's like, what's going on here? Like, when I started doing this, there wasn't really anybody else doing it. So it's like, what is this? They didn't really know what it was. Fortunately, for me, it was mostly franchise guys, so they weren't going to complain too much. But, yeah, there was a story one time about Nick Grant Exel not being happy. It was working out of Al Horford.

and, you know, he just didn't, you know, why he find this guy in, you know, right here. And I wasn't saying Nick was bad. It was just more, I've worked for three years. We have, you know, a strategy and a workout that we do. It's just basically, you know, maintenance. You know, so, but yet, a lot of resistance early on for sure. But as we went through the years, and I, you know, my reputation got a little better, ended up being,

uh, ended up working out just fine. You know, it's funny when, I'm sure when you were in high school and then you're at Syracuse and we always used to have big guys like, man,

stop shooting threes, get into the hoop and work on your post game. And now all of a sudden, you know, now, now it's the, you know, the,

Brooke Lopez is shooting threes where you never shot them before. And it's just, it's fast, how, how have your workouts evolved during your time? Because, I mean,

this has been 15 years you've been doing it. and the league has changed so dramatically, right? Like, I mean, think of how good a score of Caramello was, okay? But Carmel was a great score in the post and in the mid-range, and probably the thing he lacked the most was, you know, the ability to shoot to three. Like, now the game is so incredibly different. How has it changed your approach?

A lot. It's funny. He brought up Brooke because two years ago when Brooke, you know, didn't have a deal. He came in and he decided to move to L.A. for summer, train with me because I did his pre-draft. We're very familiar with each other. They said, dude, I need to get my game.

And he broke will always shoot, as you know. But he never really was put in a position to do it. So he said, you could work on three, man, pick and pop out, your transition three, things like that. And I said, let's do it. So we signed a $2 million deal of minimum with Milwaukee. And we worked out all summer long. I don't think we did the post one time. And it was the opposite in pre-draft.

Honestly, he only wanted to do is shoot. You know, typical big man, I can shoot, too. but I said, you know, you're not a permanent guy. You're going to play your 7-1. And he's got great feet. He's got great feet. Like, he's very mobile down there. Very mobile.

And great moves down there. Play, slow, which I love. But it's funny you said that. Brooke is the first example that I had of 10 years later. It's like the opposite workout when I do with him in a pre-draft. And he ended up, you know, killing him from Milwaukee. It's $54 million. So if I'm 2 million to making, like, you know, whatever,

13 million to year, 14 million in the year. So the game has changed completely. So I've definitely had to tailor my workouts for that. There's no more, you know, quote-unquote big men. Kevin Love's a good example about six, seven years ago. In Minnesota, especially Rick Adelman, we still do most of the elbow, pinch post, you know, pick-a-pop stuff with him and Kmart.

So he was the first one I kind of did that with, because I knew we could shoot. but as we went on throughout the years past five, five years especially. I mean, I've had to really work on,

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and he came in to work out. This is when he's coming off, you know, the ankle injuries, things like that, and worked them out at a private gym and Bel Air. And wait, the private gym in Bel Air, is that the one that looks like Staples? Yes, yes. That's pretty cool. There's a good. And for people who don't know, like, we won't give away location,

there's the gym, and NBA teams actually practice there where it's... Yeah, where it looks just like the staples, the same staple center floor or whatever. and they have pickup games there and obviously workouts there. So you meet Steph. What was your opinion before you met him? Well, obviously, besides the shooting, you know, I think he had to get more in control, you know, a lot of bad turnovers. I think he could do a lot of stuff and less dribbles.

But besides that, I thought his game was unbelievable. I heard about his work ethic, and I heard about what a great human being is. you know, so when we first met, we just, I kind of just gave a kind of a generic first workout, you know, that I do with a guy and kind of gets to know each other. And what it's funny, he talks about in the forward of, you know, like five minutes in, he was going hard. I was like, okay, I'm going to pick up now. Next to you know, talking trash, bumping him. You couldn't believe it. I mean, I know this guy for 10 minutes and I'm already in there, you know, you know, gone and it may kind of like hopped up me, you know, and, you know, from there, it's just we continue to have a great relationship.

and they continue to train. Okay, so, so in terms of in terms of Steph, how did it proceed, right? So you have that first workout, and was he like, was he in, was he on the Kool-Aid right then, like, when can we do this again? Or was it, hey, I'm in L.A. and, you know,

next time I'm on L.A., I'll hit you. No, we kept going. He stayed in L.A. for a few more days. He came back. I think a couple weeks later, and this is, I would say, August, and now approaching Labor Day in Training Camp, and then you'd have to be flying to Oakland for about 10 days before training camp. And it was kind of cool, too, because this was a time that Bob Myers just got hired,

and Bob was my boss for a long time. Mark Jackson was there. I worked on Mark's son for a while, so it was very easy transition to go on there, working out the facility, things like that are very familiar, so it wasn't one of those things with this guy, made it much easier for everybody. Yeah, and then Steph signed an under Armour, so I do all these Under Armour tours in Asia,

brought me with them to every single one, and then we started the SD30 camp, which has been unbelievable. The top 30 plays in the country every year. At first it was just guards, now with some bigs too. But, you know, I've met a lot of guys through that, and, yeah, kind of just from that one workout,

kind of just took off, and here he is doing the forward, which I really appreciate. So what's a, what, in terms of, like, This is, Miles Simon's one of my dear friends. Obviously, he was the player development coach. Now he's the assistant coach with the Lakers. And one of the guys that used to be his guys was Chris Bosch.

And he tells me a story of after his first year of playing with LeBron, he was like, look, I got to work on my catch and shoot, like mid to deep mid-range stuff all the way out to three. It's like I've never really worked on that, right? Like I've always, you know, like when he was in Toronto, like he was giving the ball in the post facing up. ISO. Yep, right.

So he had to kind of re... So he's like, all right, like, let's, let's shoot some kind of deep mid-range shots, you know, like 21, 22 footers. Right. They shoot 100. He makes 92, right? And, like, I don't think people understand how fucking good these guys are. Like, they're ridiculous.

Like, he's like, dude, you should see Rondo win every shooting drill. Like, it's crazy. Okay, so now you throw in Steph Curry and Kevin Durant, two guys that you work out. two guys that you help hone their craft. What is a Steph Curry workout like? Does he ever miss a shot? Oh, it's close.

I mean, I've seen it make, you know, 45, 50 straight degrees in a row. And you know how hard that is. I don't care if no one's gone on you or not. And it's just so easy. Now, one thing about Steph, Katie, the same way, if we shoot 100 straight threes, if they make 100 or miss 100, and it's the same reaction.

They just move on to the next shot. And that's why they're good. They don't get down to themselves. They don't, you know, put their head down with some guys and grow up and moan. They're just so laser focused. I mean, Steph just looks at the rim, grabs the ball, looks at the rim. So I pass the ball. He's really looking at me.

It's, it's like it's world-class, and it's just complete, to me, just focus when they, when they do that. You know, Steph has ridiculous friends. range of them. I've seen them. We'll work on, you know, the normal NBA threes, but then we'll, with Katie, too, and they'll work on, you know, as they do on the big three to a four-point shot, you know, from out there. So, and they make them, and then they shoot them in the game, you know. So, yeah, I know what, you know, Miles went through. He did the same thing with Kevin Love when he went to Cleveland, you know, he had to become, you know, what they call, I guess, a spacer, you know. And so Kevin went from pinch post, mid-post, you know, maybe trail threes to, you

sitting the Kristen in the core wait for the past you know so those good two guys definitely sacrificed to win championships and you know I think a lot of guys gonna you know really learn how to shoot you're you're one of the guys or you're the guy credited

with teaching LeBron how to push back past the fatigue barrier like one of the one of the like we on TV and radio we talk about dumb shit sometimes you know whereas I think like real basketball talk is you're talking about the

unbelievable confidence of Durant and Steph Curry and honestly sometimes LeBron has lacked that kind of something like confidence and conditioning and the ability to push through fatigue how did you're like LeBron credits you with pushing him through the fatigue barrier how how do you do that?

Yeah and I'll never forget it we were down in Miami working out with me him and John Wall and it's just I don't know I don't know what it is about me, Alan Lovitz, my dad was Lieutenant Colonel. And I, for the day one, between these guys just like grown men, like NBA players or MVP's, and I hold them accountable. If a guy shows up at 902, I get pissed.

And I think these other trainers out there are guys that, you know, that's okay, man, you know, don't worry about it. Because in any other industry, you know, you're late for working. You're fired all the time, you know. I always tell them, if you're late for the plane in the NBA, it's five grand. So give me five grand or, you know, don't be late. So, you know, with me, again, I don't treat them like I think a lot of people treat them. And honestly, they like that.

You know, they want someone in their life, especially that's trying to help their craft to be honest with them. And I'm not say, it's okay. You know, if they don't work hard that day, it's okay, bad day. It's okay, bad. You know, it's a bad game. It's a coach's fault. I'm the opposite. You know, and I'm honest with them, and I push them to the limit.

and my last drills always are the hardest drills and I always do that for a reason I always say you know you should end the workout but then you finish just like you should be better in the fourth quarter

then you're in the first quarter so I test guys I test guys at the end of work the last five minutes of the hardest drills I'll do all day and I do that to prepare them

with two minutes up in the game you know you're gonna be able to make that shot when you're tired you can be in the hand of the ball you know we've got to go on your full court when you're tired down one so it's

strategic, but it's also, you know, again, just holding them accountable. And, you know, I said, give me one hour. It's only one hour a day. That's all it is. It's not nine to five. And I love the guy that's, you know, I've been in the gym, eight hours. Yeah, that's the biggest bullshit. You can't be working that hard.

Correct. Correct. This is one of the things that I think is amazing to me. It's a total, it's either a lie or you're not getting stuff done. Like I, right? Exactly. Right. Right.

I tell them, you know, like 40, 45 minutes is plenty. Plenty. Yeah. You know? As long as you're going hard. If you're going hard, you know, right? Like, otherwise you just kind of wait. Like, I get parents where I run workouts and, like, well, we only went, they only went an hour today.

Like, they went hard. They're good. They're done. Like, do you want me to have them do three-man weave? If you want me to have them do three-man weave, you know, sure, cool. But that's a complete waste of my time and yours as well. Okay, so. Katie, well, Katie, we'll go 40 minutes with me back in the day and no water break.

It'll be done. 40 minutes. Rob was the next show. What's the water? max let's go boom boom boom i'm not sitting there talking for 10 minutes in between drills done go enjoy your summer you're like that's it you know give me a guy who is going to have a great you spent time with him and you feel like he's going to take a step this year i'd say one guy for sure alfred paid um i worked to alfred the last uh two years but this is the first really

full full summer that we had together and you know he's not with the next obviously. He's comfortable up there. Scott Perry drafted him in Orlando. It's a team with a lot of guys with chips in their shoulders. Alfred's been known to be an average shooter, but we worked out a shot a ton of the summer. I mean, six days a week in L.A., and he's grown. You know, he's matured. He's more of a leader, and he's confident now. He's very, you know, when I first met him, quite a guy, you know, not too sure of his shot. If you open the 17, you know, 15-foot line, he wouldn't shoot it. But now one of those things, too, you know,

going to go in there, a little swag, little confidence. And, you know, they wanted to shoot this year. So he's definitely a guy, I think, going to take a big, big step forward. The book is Network, okay? It's awesome. You should pick it up. He's Rob McClanahan, of course, who's a star workout. I mean, would you do, do you want guru, trainer of the stars?

When you get introduced, when you're having beers, like, is my buddy Rob. He's the trainer of the stars. Is that what you want? Uh, train is fine. Train is fine. Yeah. It's funny when my guys, you know, while I'm all having beers, this is a guy,

it's what the guy I told you about. He trains this and that. And sometimes I don't even want to get into it. So if people ask me, no, I'm just, I'm a teacher. So, yeah, I do marketing. I don't want to get into it.

So people I don't know, you know. Network, training the NBA's best and finding the keys to greatness. Rob, great stuff, man. Thanks so much for joining me. Thanks. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Doug Gottlieb show, weekdays at 3 p.m.

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