The Herd with Colin Cowherd - All Ball - No Coronavirus Redshirt; Wyoming HC Jeff Linder Paying Coaching Dues, Finding Damian Lillard; Offensive Philosophy, Program Building,

Episode Date: March 26, 2020

In this episode, Doug explains why he doesn't think the idea of allowing a Coronavirus redshirt for seniors is realistic. His guest is Wyoming Head Coach Jeff Linder who discusses playing against Chauncey Billups while growing up in Colorado, finding Damian Lillard as an assistant at Weber State, building a winning Northern Colorado program, and his plans to turnaround Wyoming. Make sure you download, rate and subscribe here to get the latest All Ball Podcasts! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Check out his journey. I think you'll like it. Some good stories along the way. That's just a couple minutes away. Really quickly, I've discussed a lot of people. And I put it out on Twitter when everything was first canceled, are we open to the idea of seniors getting a year back? I think now that we've had a chance to catch our breath,

it's been two weeks since everything has been canceled. And the thought in my mind is this. I think it's a great idea. I'm bummed that everybody's missing the NCAA tournament. I'm missing the NCAA tournament. But half of college basketball's seniors had played their last game. Matter of fact, all of them had played their last regular season game. So we're talking about postseason.

I know they're going to vote on it. And I know that social media will try and put pressure on the NCAA and say, you've got to do what's right. But what really is right? It sucks that the kids won't get to play in the tournament. I don't know if I don't believe having them all be able to, to come back is the right thing. Unless it's the right thing in perpetuity,

everybody gets that year back. Are we doing that? Every year, buddy gets five years, gets a fifth year to play. Why not? I'd actually be okay with that. I would. You get a fifth year.

If you stay at the same school for four years, how do you do? I don't know. My other thought is this for the NBA. I do wish the NBA would the comeback. You would do pool play into a tournament format. And I don't mind if everybody qualifies for the tournament. Or you have only the top, you know, three teams in a four team pool qualify for the tournament.

But you play around Robbie and play everybody twice. That way you get some games up and going. And then you do it. We have to realize that if the NBA comes back in the summer, how much things are going to change? It comes back and plays and they play until August. You're not starting to season until late. Now it puts next year's Olympics into question. Now it probably eliminates the WNB.

season, big three season probably gone. Again, this doesn't have anything to do with the NBA. Summer League's gone. Draft changes. A lot of things changing. This is a crazy, crazy time. I'm going to do some more pods, hopefully this week, into next week. We'll just keep pumping them out.

Guys who love basketball content love this stuff. I thought we'd catch up with Jeff Linder for a myriad of reasons. He wasn't a Division I player. He comes from a different kind of basketball family or families than some of the guys that we've had on. He's done a really good job as a head coach in Northern Colorado. They very much take an offensive-minded and their defense approach is unique. And where he gets his offense from, we'll talk about that.

He just got the job, Wyoming. It's a challenging job, but not an impossible one, right? We've seen two of their last four coaches do a tremendous show. Larry Shide did a great job there, and Steve McLean did a good job there. You can get players you can win there. You just got to be inventive about it and have a style and buy into it. You're the only Division I school in the state. So without further ado, let's catch up with the new head coach of the Wyoming Cowboys.

Be sure to catch the live edition of the Doug Gottlieb show weekdays at 3 p.m. Eastern, noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the IHeart Radio app. All right, let's welcome him in. He's the new head coach of the Wyoming Cowboys. So I don't know how far I drive that is from Greeley, Colorado to Laramie, Wyoming. Jeff Linder joins us on the All Ball podcast. How far he? is it from Greeley to Laramie? Doug, depending on the weather, which is first and foremost, you can either cut through four columns and go up 287, the weather's nice, and it's probably about an hour, 20 minutes. You don't want to fight the one-lane road, then you go up I-25, head across I-80,

and it takes you about an hour, hour, 35 minutes, but it all depends on the weather. Yeah, I know I've actually made both of those drives. when I did a game, I did Wyoming, Oregon State early this year. I made that, it was 285, I made that drive, which is, it's beautiful and desolate all at the exact same time, right? You're like, if I pulled off the road and drove like 500 yards in and died, I'm not sure, with the exception of following the birds, I'm not sure where anyone would find me. On the other hand, it's much prettier than driving kind of the interstate. So Greeley is close to Fort Collins, like how far from Fort Collins is it door to door, like to you to get to downtown Fort Collins?

Yeah, depending on, yes, kind of where you're at, but from Greeley or Fort Collins, you're looking to downtown to CSU, you're looking 30 minutes. That's not bad. Fort Collins is really cool town. I've never been to Greeley. What's it like? Greeley has actually really grown. I mean, the thing about Colorado with the growth is there's not a lot of room to grow on the west side of Interstate 25.

So now everything's getting pushed out to the east. And one of the, I think, the fourth largest oil reservoir in the country sits underneath really Colorado. And so you've had a big boom in the oil and natural gas. So it was a good time in my four years being at UNC and haven't grown up in Colorado and had been at really many times for Bronco training camp back in the day before they moved the operation down south. It has changed a lot And it's changed for the better And it's allowed it to be a pretty good job

At the level of that You mentioned growing up in Colorado That's fascinating to me Because there's really Like two basketball players During my era That I remember from Colorado Right Chon's everybody knows Choncy

And then I play with Pat Garrity When I was at Notre Dame He's a dear friend of mine What was your basketball existence like growing up? Well it came up the same year As Choncy did in 1995 I can remember the first time seeing Chauncey when you're playing club basketball back on day, which you know back then it didn't start until you're about sixth or seventh grade.

Now it starts when you're four or five years old. But when you saw Emergency Sechon for the first time at Cherry Creek High School, when we were about to play Skyland, Skyland Rex Center, which was the team that he played on. And when he walked in the gym, you're like, so that guy's a sixth grader? You just knew from right then and there that he was just different. and obviously the best player that has ever come out in the state of Colorado. And then Pat Gary, I remember playing at CSU, because CSU was recruiting him really hard back when he was kind of a junior.

Because he kind of came on the scene a little bit later. He wasn't really highly recruited up until probably the end towards his junior year. And he's the guy that, you know, saw CSU play against him a team camp. And obviously, a guy that went on to have a great career at Notre Dame and in the NBA. Okay, so you went to Mesa State out of high school, correct? Yeah, I went to Mesa State out of high school, and probably a lot like you being a point guard who thought he had all the answers and, you know, thought he knew everything about the game, had to get humbled a little bit, had some run-ins with, you know, Coach Scott Cole at the time, and started as a true freshman, but did make my way through the entire season. And lo and behold, ended up at Western State for Bob Hoffman, who's had two-s-course named after him in Colorado, one at the University of Colorado. route of the practice center where he played, and then at Fort Lewis College, where he finished

up after he was done coaching me at Western. So I was fortunate cross paths with him because he was a guy that, for an offensive standpoint, was kind of really ahead of the game, and he's a team. You know, his teams, we always shot a lot of three. He's usually led the country in three-point field goals, attempts, and three-point field goals made every season. So that's where I got my appreciation for the three-point shot that continues to this day. Yeah, so, okay, so what Western states is?

How good were you guys? We were good. Tough job. I mean, you don't have in Division II. You have 10 full scholarship. I'm not sure if we had five. At that time, actually going back to my freshman year, we played maybe one of the best D2 teams of all time.

Fort Hayst State went undefeated back at 1995, 96, with Alon Goldson-Sherick Simpson. I mean, they had some dudes. I mean, I was back in the day when D-2 had some real guys, that guys that didn't qualify academically out of junior college. And so that was the best team of playing against, but we were good. That was a good player, kind of like you. I mean, let the league and assist field.

Wasn't a great shooter. But it was a good experience. I love to fish, love the outdoors. One of the best places to be in the country if you like to do those things. Yeah, that's pretty amazing. Okay, so you get done, and what was the decision like to go into coaching? Like, was it there? Did you always want to be a coach?

like what made you want to be a basketball coach? Yeah, I mean, I was basketball all I've ever known and all I've ever done. And, you know, Coach Hoppin said that's the direction you need to go. And for me, having grown up in North Denver near Boulder, Coach Hoppin put a phone call, having been a former player to Ricardo Patton at the time. And basically, Ricardo just let me kind of hop on board and basically be a volunteer assistant after I graduated out back in 2000, 2001. and I was able to kind of live at home, but I got my foot in the door,

and then I shared offices with David Mo, who's the son of Doug Mo, the former Devereignuggets head coach. And later that year, he actually got Division II job at Emporia State University. And so he decided, hey, man, you're going to come with me. And so went with him to Emporia State and kind of started the journey that way. Okay, so Doug Moe is famous in basketball from this is what I know of it. the true passing game, pass and cut, right? No screening.

Passing cut, that's the Doug Moe passing. When you guys went to Emporia State, David Moe, his son, is that what you ran? Yep, passing game. Every practice started the same. We do three on O, and then we do five on O. And the beauty of, and for me, you know, having been under him, you just saw it in such a different way. I mean, his dad saw the game a different way. And I was actually fortunate because, kind of going back to my childhood,

I was a ballboy for the Denver Nuggets for five years. And so I had the opportunity to see coach most teams play a lot of games. And then you had the Paul Westhead era. And then my last year was the year that the Nuggets beat George Carl and the Sonics of the eight seed. And so I got to see it firsthand and then to see him coach it, which you have to give, you have to have guys that can understand how to play because ultimately it's just play. playing and hooping and reading and reacting, but passing game is just whatever you want to make it to be.

I mean, you're a guy that wants a pass and cut, pass and cut. Your guy that wants to pass a screen away, pass the screen away. It's just a lot of just, I said just motion, but it's more cutting than screening. And so for me, it allowed me just to see the game. And a lot of what I took with me later on, especially when I went to Boise State and Coach Wright put me in charge the offense, just allowing guys to play, teaching guys how to play.

Because as you get to a certain level, and now as you're seeing in the NBA, it's easy to take away set place. It's easy, especially late in the season. But if you can teach guys how to play, how to play in space, which a lot of guys talk about, but there's very few guys that can really teach it. And so I was fortunate that I had that education with Coach Moe. And then from there kind of made the jump to Midland Junior College where Grant McAisland, who is now the head coach at North Texas, got the job.

and asked me to come down there with him, and so at a young age, I mean, both of us probably at the time were 26, 27, took over Midland Junior College, which is one of the top junior college jobs in the country. I mean, Spud Webb, maybe back in the day, Mookiee Blaylock, and there was some real, real dudes rolling around in the whack jack,

and what, it is a great junior college job. I mean, 6,000 feet of rain, them. It's just everything over the top. But Grant and I was with him for two years there, and then knowing at the time, because being with coach, Mo going back to Emporia State, when he was an assistant, you know, and I've been very fortunate to kind of be this kind of family that I've kind of, I've been, you know, linked

into with Coach Moe was when Coach Moe was assistant in Colorado, the guy that he ran with as when he was an assistant was Mark Few, Leon Rice, Pat Boyle, Mark Turgeon, and so I was able to get into that group of guys. And then when I went to Midland Junior College, Tad was close to getting a job. Also, Randy Ray was close to getting a Division I head job. And I just knew by making that move to Midland, it'd make me a lot more attracted to them, having recruited nationally,

haven't been in the top junior college program, having some international ties. And so that allowed me to get that next job at Weber State with Randy Ray. Okay, so Ed, give me your best, give me your best Midland Junior College story. It can be about recruiting a player, a phone call at night, run in like it's because I was watching have you watched cheer you watch this

uh in Netflix cheer yeah yeah yeah I've watched bits and pieces yeah okay so it's about Navarro Navarro Junior College which is also in Texas oh yeah course course and I was trying to explain to my family I was like look this is what all junior college sports are like they're like what do you mean I was like everybody's there for reason nobody really wants to be there for good you know and you're just you're there to try and get a scholarship to get the hell out of there, right? Like, that's really the, and, you know, you go to these big ones to try and win a championship, whatever. And I was like, you know, these, while it seems like these, these crazy, terrible backstories that these kids come from are unique. Like, they are unique, but it's kind of like

go to the basketball side. And I, we started to watch the football, the, uh, what is the football version? Like, my blanking on the name. Uh, last, last chance to you. Yes. Yeah, just the language, independent community college. Yes, it's a little too real for my, my family. like, right, between the language and whatever. And I was like, just trust me, anyway, my point is, look, I was, I gray-shirted at a junior college. I, you know, when we were at Oklahoma State coach used to invite four junior colleges into play,

you know, two days in a row, we'd recruit those guys, but our Tyler was one of them, Westark was one of them, we'd have somebody from Kansas come down, and they would play. So anyway, I need some junior college. Give me, give me the junior college story. Where to start? So without mention in names, remember we had a drive from Midland to DFW airport to pick up a kid at Division I transfer kit. So that drive from Midland and DFW about four, four to a half hours, and we're actually going to pick up a couple kids.

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He's like, yeah, I'm like, all right, man, like I just saw, I just met me, hey, do what you got to do. Go, do you mean, in the park, go, do whatever you need to do. I mean, in the park, I call Grant up and Grant's like, I tell him, and he's like, you know, that's just, you know, a day in the life in junior college. And luckily for, luckily for us at Midland, because we were worth the cream of the, the crop in terms of junior colleges, we could. kind of get a little bit different guy.

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at Long Beach State? And they'd also have these free, they also had the free agent teams, right? And so I was playing with the Lakers, but my dad had a free agent team. And so we had guys, me, Miles Simon,

I think Tony Gonzalez played with some of our old A, you guys, we'd play together, and then we'd have these other guys from around the country. So I go to pick up one of these dudes at the airport, and he's a really good player. And he's like, yo, gee,

what do you know about some trees around here? And I was like, um, trees? Like, we got eucalypt. trees like that are big in orange county it's from Australia

and I started like going into the like I'm not really a horticulturist but I was like you know we got palm trees obviously there's different kinds it's like no no no no my man I need some trees and then he makes it like the smoke singing I was like oh yeah I don't know

I don't know there was no there was no trees but no it was just the old fashion needed a needed a cigarette best player you had at Midland well so we were I mean back in you know junior college is definitely kind of changed in terms of the talent pool especially with the prep schools that come around but

so we were we lost uh grant's first year the head coach my first year's assistant we lost in the uh the semifinals of the national junior college term of the huts we lost in a tip at the buzzer to uh college of southern idaho we were up one and they jacked up with three the ball bounced just in the right direction and big dude I think who ended up going to USC or Baylor, big African kid, tipped it in at the buzzer. But, I mean, our starting five in Midland, our starting point guard, Timmy Crowell went to the University of Cincinnati, are starting two, J.D. Lewis, went to the University of Texas. Tristan Martin, who was at the three, went to the University of Houston,

Mamry Diallo, who played the five-horse, and actually came off the bench, went to Gizaga, and Amania Colison, went to Purdue, who played first at the four. And then Ivery Clark actually started for us at the four, who went on to play at Washington State for Tony Bennett, who had a run. really good career at Washington State. The one guy maybe that caused Brandon Roy the most problems of his career defensive. You go back and look at Brandon Roy's games against Washington State against Diary Clark. He struggled mightily.

And so we had some really, really good players. And then I was fortunate enough to bring two or three of those guys with me to Weaver State, where when we got the job at Weaver with Coach Ray, we were picked dead last in the big sky by the media and the coaches, brought in 10 new guys. and actually ended up winning the league that year won the Big Sky, won the Big Sky Tournament, and it ended up losing to UCLA in the first round of the N-Ate tournament with Colson, Ophalo, Russell Westbrook, I think was a freshman at the time,

but what had Ben Howland's really good teams, I think, ended up losing in the national championship game in the Final Four. That was the team, I think, that came back and beat Gonzaga, right? They were down big to Gonzaga, and what was that year? Yep, yep. Yeah. Okay, so here's a hard question. So when Rick Ray, who you had known, gets the Weber job, was it, hey, I can only hire

if you bring dudes with you? Was it unspoken? Like, how did that actually work at the time? You know, what's funny? Coach Ray and I, we go back a long way to actually recruit me when he was an assistant at CSU. They recruited me a little bit and then just had a relationship with him kind of before, because he was one of those guys.

He was just hearing everything he got, and he earned it the right way. He had a scratch and claw. He was one of the, you know, if you ask guys around, like, who are some of the better assistance in the country, you know, his name would come up. I mean, for what he did for, you know, for Stu Morales at CSU, and then on the Utah State and then to Utah for Ray Jackaletti. And so we always stayed in contact.

You always wanted to make sure that, you know, I was, you know, the guys that I thought were going to have a chance to become Division I had coaches and that we're going to do it the right way and values the line with mine. And his was definitely one of them. But it was never, it was never about, you know, players, but I knew, too, if I stayed in the Poria State that if Randy Ray or Tad Boyle were to get a job, that they're probably still going to hire me, but now maybe it's in that second or third spot, where now I'm at Midland, and I got a couple dudes, and I know a couple of those dudes are going to

come with me, and that makes it a little bit different. So it was never, hey, you've got to bring guys, but it was funny because at the same time, when Coach Ray got the job of Weaver, Tad was at Wichita State, and Wichita State was making that run in the NCAA tournament. And Tad, I think he was looking at a couple jobs that were open at the time. UTSA being one of them before Brooks Thompson got it. And then UNC, which Tats from Greeley. And I had to call Tad as he was actually walking a shoot-around for, I think,

the Sweet 16 game in the MCI Center in Washington, D.C. And say, listen, Coach, Ray just got the job. You know, Weber State, which for people who know basketball, is a great basketball job. I mean, it's a place that has a lot of tradition. There's won a lot of championships. It's been a lot of M.C. tournaments. I'm not sure what you're going to do, but at the same time, I can't turn this down. So I had to make that phone call to Tad, and then lo and behold made my way to Hague in Utah.

It's funny, Tats. So I first met Tad. So I sat out 96-97 at Golden West College. And I went to Golden West because my high school coach for my freshman year, Tom McCluskey, was the head coach of Golden West. So I got to practice with the team, and then I would like coach being assistant. coach during games and not play to save my year. So I visited Oregon, and Darren Kalish was one assistant. He had been a U coach with team of VIA, so I'd known him forever.

Mark Turgeon was another assistant, and Tad Boyle, who Mark had pulled out of like the financial world, right, to be, to be assistant coach. Like, that was their staff under Jerry Green. Yep, high school coach. Yeah. He was actually my first game, my first game as a high school sophomore on varsity was Pat's first game is a high school varsity basketball coach at Longmont High School. That's crazy.

That's crazy. That's really interesting. He's got a fast now. I've got to get him on. He's got a fascinating personal story as well. Obviously, I haven't played at KU and everything. Okay, so then how did you decide to leave to go to Boise and work for Leon? Well, so now it's kind of backtrack.

My claim to fame is that, you know, my, after our first year, had a great year at Weaver. You know, now, lo and a whole, I go, and Coach Ray was very good friends with an AAU coach in Oakland named Raymond Young, who ran the Oakland Rebels. So for guys that know, I mean, there's the Oakland soldiers, which is the big Nike AU team. And then, you know, the Oakland Rebels were kind of just, you know, the hodgepodge group that just kind of, you know, went and played in random local tournaments where Coach Ray had to stop, you know, he had actually a really good relationship with him.

He's like, hey, you need to come out with one of these, you know, one of my guards. and so go out during the spring period in April and I forget where it was I think it was actually got Houston at the Kingwood when I used to be the Kingwood down there and so there's a yeah there's a so there's a guard now I'm in this back Jim there's a there's a guard probably about 5-11 at the time about 155 pounds but had freakish long arms and you could just tell me he could he could he could pass handle and shoot and and lo and behold I see Damian Lillard. And so basically come back in a time, nobody knew who Damian Lillard was.

He'd actually transferred high schools from St. Joe's to Oakland High after his sophomore year. And it wasn't on anybody's radar, but I just saw something in him. And lo and behold, we decided off from him. So we were the first school to offer Lillard after the spring period. And he didn't blow up until probably the last game of July and Vegas going, you know, summer of his senior year, where he was playing in the EBO who had like Luke Babbitt, Armand Johnson, a bunch of dudes.

I'm not sure of Deshaun St. Stevenson was on that team or not, but he basically goes like 48 in front of every coach in the West of the United States. I'm like, man, yeah. Man, I'm just sitting there just like, oh, this is all, all this work is for not. But which carries on to this day, he is such a unique person and a unique player. and what he is, he's as loyal as loyal can be. And what he could also do is he could sniff out BS.

Like he knew guys, guys who told him what he wanted to hear, he just would basically cut you off. And I was kind of one guy for whatever reason. Maybe I was smarter, maybe not as far as like, hey, we're not going to promise you anything. Or he's going to promise an opportunity. And he had seen what his older brother had gone through when he went to junior college for football and did it play right away.

And he saw how miserable he was. So he knew he wanted to be someplace where he knew he could, baby come in and play right away, and he wanted to be around the right people. He wanted to get out of Oakland. And so we basically visited St. Mary's, and then he visited us, and then we got him committed. And if you would ever told me that he would have turned into the player that he's turned into now, I thought you were crazy. I thought he'd be a really, really good player, a big sky-type player of the year as a sophomore

than a guy that would play overseas. But, I mean, now he's turning himself into one of the 10 best players in the world. Yeah, it's funny. A lot of people, Greg, obviously, my brother was a cow, and Greg's like, he was a two guard. You know, he's a 5-11 two guard. And, you know, like, we just, the big schools had trouble seeing him.

Like, can you play at that size at the two in the Pack 12? And it's interesting. I think a lot of these guys, they do outthink themselves, you know. Kauai Leonard, why didn't anybody in the Pac-12 offer him a scholarship? Well, like, well, he's a big guy who's a 5, 4 and kind. Like, who cares? The guy could really, really play. Whereas when you're at Weaver, you just go and if you can play, you know, you don't necessarily,

maybe you don't carry the same, well, you have to check a couple of boxes in order to play for us. Is that, is that fair? No, no, definitely fair. But I think he was a guy that we knew. And that's kind of how I got to where I got to because I think that's what helps you, too, as a coach when you've had to coach at different levels to where you could kind of understand. And you have to kind of see some things that other guys don't. for me, haven't been in Division 2, haven't been in junior college,

and then having to go to Weber State, and you see different levels, and you see, okay, who can you recruit? Who can you recruit? Because so many guys, so many assistant coaches, they just waste time recruiting guys that they can't get. And so then they miss on the guys that they should be recruiting. And then you've got to be able to see, you know, the forest through the trees and maybe see that, like, Damien, he didn't turn 18 until July after he graduated from high school.

Same thing when I recruited Chandler, Hutchison, the Boise State. He was a guy that, when he was playing in the junior in high school, he was six foot three, he was playing JV,

the first semester of his junior year of high school. And then lo and behold, by the time he's a senior in high school, he goes from a JV player in a year's time. He goes to 6, 7, 6,000, he's a top 100 player in the country. And, you know, you've got to, you know,

some of those things that some other guys can't see, or some of the bigger schools, you know, when you're in the Pact 12, now you may, you can't, you can't roll the dice on that

unless you're really competent in your ability to see things, and there's a lot of assistant coaches that just don't have that. Okay, so you're at, now you're at Boise. Well, actually, I go to, so funny story is, so Rex Walters, you know, former

San Francisco, that's right, yeah. Yeah, so he, you know, so me and him get really close, because he ends up after he's done playing in the NBA, then he kind of made a stop overseas and then made his way to playing in the USBL, I think, because he played for Kevin Pritchard in Kansas City. Right.

ABA. ABA. So he was living in South Kansas City. He was living in Olatza. And so he decides, you know, after he's done playing, I want to get into coaching. And so he basically becomes our gradist at Emporia State. And so me and him for four or five, you know, four or five months, I mean, just spend every day with each other get really, really close.

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Bryce, so Homer had a spot open and a staff, and so Rex left kind of like in September to go to Valpo. And so while the Weaver, so he goes from, so Rex goes from Valpo to Florida Atlantic where he ends up working through Matt Doherty, Matt Doherty gets, you know, the job there, turns it around

two years, gets the SMU job. Now Rex becomes the coach of Florida Atlantic. So Rex and I being as close, hey, I want you to come be my associate coach. Me, be my right-hand guy. Let's go. I'm like, well, we just signed Lillard. But Rex is my guys. Let's go.

So wife and I were down at Boker-Ritone, about to buy a house. The market was crazy at that time. It's Wednesday. The next day we're going to put an offer on the house. Lo and behold, the search firm runs the search for San Francisco calls and says, hey, listen, wants to fly you in. Rex being from San Jose originally, like, I'm interested. I'm like Rex.

I just played San Francisco twice that year. It's an absolute train wreck. It's the worst job in the country. And that's when your former coach came in there for a few games and just, I mean, it was just a tough, tough job. But Rex goes in, decides to take the job. Lo and behold, I'm like, oh, man. I mean, I just went from Boca Raton to San Francisco.

And now Coach Ray walks in. He's like, hey, you don't have to go. Because lo and behold, Lillard had just called at 7 o'clock the morning. We had never called Coach Ray. is it true that Coach Linder's going to San Francisco and being a Bay Area guy, being across the bridge at Oakland, Coach Ray is like, and you make my life a lot easier if you stay, and I'm like, don't worry, you're talking about the one guy in the world

that won't leave in Lillard. So make my way to USF and started that process, helped Rex turn that around, and then lo and behold, you realize quickly those WCC jobs are really, really hard. When you're playing for third or fourth place every year, and you're playing the CITU, the CBI, because Gonzaga is Gonzagia, All those presidents AD, they want to compete with Gonzaga, but they don't realize they're 20 years behind Gonzaga.

And I just knew after we finished in third place, my second year there, I was like, man, this is just, this is tough. And so Leon gets the job at Boise State. And I decide, hey, I'm probably taking a step back because I was the associate head coach in San Francisco, Dave Wojig, who ends up being the head coach of San Jose State. Leon brings him in as the associate coach. So now I take a step back in terms of the pay and title, but I just knew in the end, could be a much better job, especially with Boise moving into the Mountain West, and then that's when we start the Boise State journey.

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So Leon gives you the offensive coordinator role. What was that like? So, yeah, the way Leon is very unique in terms of how he handles things. And Leon is basically an NFL head coach, his CEO. I mean, he knows what he's good at. He knows what he's not good at, and he has no issues, delegate everything, and giving you total autonomy. Like, we're sitting there as I'm the offensive coordinator.

We're sitting there playing Dayton in the MSA tournament against A-Dathe at Dayton. And, you know, we got timeout. I was there, by the way. Yeah, you were there. And I'm the ones sitting there drawn up the play, and he just sits there. And he doesn't see a bad night. And so we knew when we got the job, and we had a transition year where we were going to have one year in the whack, and then we were making the move to the Mount West.

you know and I know how good the Mountain West was back then. And we knew that we couldn't get better athletes than San Diego State, UNLV, New Mexico. And so our thing was we can't beat them the air. We're going to have to beat these dudes on the ground. And so that's where we recruited guys 1 through 5 that could pass down the shoot. We knew in Boise, we could recruit good guards. A lot easier recruit good guards.

And it is to find the 610, 611 guy that's a pro that's protecting the rim. and, you know, the Alex Kirk's of the world and the guys that those guys had at that time, UNLV. And so that's why we recruited Nick Duncan. That's why we recruited James Webb. So now our fours and five are bringing your guys away from the basket. Now we got a guy in Derek Marks, who's the best guard in the league. Now he's, you know, we can create switches, create mismatches.

Now we create space. And so that's from an offensive standpoint how kind of things evolved. I thought we were, we knew that we couldn't beat him with athletics. And we had it being with skills. But that's when I really, it's 2010-11. really started diving into Europe, really watching a lot of European basketball, not just watching the Euro League, but talking to European guys, some of the guys in the NBA that were from Europe and say, hey, give me some of the teams that, you know, because Barcelona, Real

Madrid, you know, Fenerbache, I mean, those guys have the best, the best. No, let me find the guys that are going to kind of be like us who don't have the best players, but from a schematic standpoint are, you know, ahead of the game. And so everything we started doing is coming from Europe. And then lo and behold, now, you know, the Spurs won a championship in 1415, and then it just catches fire. Well, we're always three or four years ahead of trying to teach that system. And so that's kind of how evolved offensively. That's what made us really hard to guard and something that I carried with me to UNC and now to Wyoming. Okay, let's get to the UNC job. Obviously, Tad had taken it from a, you know, no one ever talked about in northern Colorado.

you guys were able to be one of the premier programs in the Big Sky Conference. How did it come about? You're at Boise. How'd you get the job? Well, I mean, it's May, which, you know, I mean, that's usually a month behind everything else. And the previous coach that was Pat, former assistant, you've got some trouble with the NCAA, a lot of trouble. And so now I'm looking at a situation, well, you know, stay here, Boisier.

At some point, I'm going to have to roll the dice. And I knew the job. I do the league. haven't grown up in the area, haven't been at Weber State, it's a place where you can win at. Because you know and I know, there's 3353 Division I jobs or how many there are now. And there's a lot of them where John Wooden

couldn't win at, and they're just bad jobs. And I thought it was a job that you could win at. And even though I knew that I was going to walk into a situation where we were probably going to be getting a postseason band, even maybe two postseasoned ban, loss of scholarships. And so, you know, for the four years I was there, this last season was the first time we had 13 full scholarships.

We were at nine scholarships, year one. 10, year two, and then we were at 11 in year three. But what I did was I was fortunate up to hire a really good staff, and then we just never really made any excuses about our situation. We had a postseason ban the first year. I was fortunate to inherit a really good guard. The previous staff were recruited in Jordan Davis, who went up, you know, become the Big Sky player of the year.

I registered two seniors that first year, knowing that they weren't going to play in the postseason, added Andre Spite, who ended up setting the Big Sky single season, all-time scoring record with 950-some points in the season. who came from Arizona State. So just built it that way. Made a lot of threes, and then defensively, we decided, you know what, we're not going to let teams make threes.

And we've been number one in the country the last three years and not let teams attempt threes. I think sometimes people get fooled when they want to look at three-point still-goal percentages, whether you're a good defensive team or not. Well, I mean, if you're making two-threes a game on four attempts and you're shooting 50 percent, I don't care if you're shooting 50 percent, because now you just made two, threes, you just scored six points. We make 10 or 11 threes.

We're going to put a lot of pressure on you to beat us with twos. And so that's kind of how the system evolves offensively to defensively to where a lot of the same things will do here at Wyoming. Okay, so let's get to those threes. Okay, so I mean, is that just, but so many other teams are just loading up on the basketball, right? That's really the style, making you throw skip passes, putting, you know, some guys call it three on the ball or whatever.

How does your defense work that you take away so many threes? Well, it's, you know, for us, and it'll be a little bit different. It'll probably be a few adjustments, you know, kind of coming up a level, but we also put a lot of Mount West teams and bigger schools at UNC. But especially in the big sky, we just didn't feel like there was guys that could beat you at the rim with two. You know, you've seen as much basketball as anyone. There's not a lot of guys that are, even at the Power 5 levels that are great finishers, the rim. And so for us, it was, okay, in our league, we knew there would be a lot more guys

that could shoot. And so then, okay, let's take that away. And then as we kept going into, okay, now we're going to be really good at not fouling. So not just the fact that, okay, we're not letting you shoot three, we're also not let you get an one. So we work diligently at not fouling and walling up and understanding where I wrote. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where sports slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source,

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I mean, the habits that we build from a defensive reboint bounty standpoint where we've been top 25 in the country the last four years in defensive remounting percentage, we're going to give you one shot. So we put a lot of pressure on the course of the game to try to make layups at the rim. Or what you do is you force a lot of dumb teams into shooting non-paint-toos, pull-up twos, which just allows us to get out. run and go. Okay, so now the Wyoming job, I mean, everybody in the kind of the area knew that Alan

was in trouble. I mean, I saw him early in the year. I knew the contract situation. I was like, this, and it's a tough league because even though the top of the league is not what it was back when you were at Boise, right, when New Mexico was rolling, Vegas was pumping out one in Duns, and San Diego State was a top 10 team. San Diego State's back. Bears to be back for a while.

I think New Mexico is getting close. I think UNLV is much more stable now than it's been in maybe the last five years. We'll see what TJ does in year two. Utah State, I don't know what happens at that run, losing your best player and probably losing Neme Keda, but they've gone from a team that couldn't compete, you know, stepping up from the Big West to one that won the Mountain West the year before and then won the conference tournament, obviously, this year.

The league in the middle is really good. I mean, now Colorado State, I think, is really well coached. Boisey's really well-coached, and you're starting to get, once you get continuity with those coaches, you start to, the teams in the front range are good, man. So, taking over the Wyoming job, like, what, take me through the, where are you in the process? I know you've hired, what, two of your assistants so far? No, well, my third one was hired today, Sundance, Sundance, who was the head coach at Missouri Western State College.

You've done a fantastic job there. I mean, after, I guess, probably coached Muscleman, he might be the second most famous college coach on Twitter. but a guy that's really good who's from Wyoming, a guy that's going to bring a lot of juice, a lot of energy to the program. But for me, it was, you know, we had played him three times, and we'd beaten the last three years here in Wyoming. It's a job where I felt like I didn't have to change anything that I did at UNC in terms of recruiting, in terms of anything,

just because I knew now that we were going to be recruiting to a better conference with better facilities, better resources, which ultimately is going to equal better players. I mean, our final ranking this year in Ken Palm was 75th in the country. Our net was, you know, like 99. And so we were doing the right things. I just think that there's just some of those other things, as you know, from business and up here.

My own was a tough job. It's a tough job because you're geographically, there's not a lot of players around you. But if you can get them to campus, our facilities, not just the arena, the arena, the arena, the locker room, but just the student athlete, the cafeteria, the training table, all the other things, and the facilities are a top three job in the Mountain West. Yes, right.

And I really believe that. So if you can get guys here, which is the hard part, you know, get them here to see it, then you can get them. And then you're going to get guys for the right reason. And if you've got guys who really want to get better, they're going to be able to get better. And I think that's the thing that's the thing that's the thing that's the end. And then you add, it's one of the few jobs in the country where people still really care about the university. They care.

Because nowadays, the TV, watching games on the phone, watching games on the Internet. There's not as many people come to the games. But, you know, I remember when we were playing, it's Larry Nance, Josh Adams, and Larry Shite, those guys back when we were at Boise. I mean, this place was rocking and rolling. So now you get the passion and pride that exists in Wyoming because you are the once state, you know, the only team. the only in the state.

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Yeah, I'm not sure if I'm going to get on back of the horse and do the bucking Bronco or across the Boise River like Leon did. but I'm sure there'll be a few things out there. But I just think for me, it's the right job. It's the right fit. You have to build it like you did at Boise, which is, you know, you have to go out and find some different guys and other guys, maybe you have to go fish in different ponds.

You can't fish. There's no pond in your backyard, so you've got to go in some different ponds. But my assistants will know exactly what they're looking for. They know not to bring anybody to the table that can't shoot. And then we'll just kind of develop it and build it from here. Because I do think we inherited a core group of guys, as we saw, and made a run the Mount West tournament

that can compete and help you win games. Now we've got to add a few more guys after those guys. Yeah, it's interesting. You point out you can't shoot. It's become the number one skill. And I would say shooting and then passing even more than dribbling, right? Yep.

Like, you know, the passing skill is a hard one. If you don't have it, it's really, really hard to kind of develop it at this stage. And then defensively, it really is more about toughness and buy-in than it is necessarily about pure athletic ability, right? I mean, like, if you can shoot and you're tough and you've got good habits and you can pass, like we can find a way to hide your weaknesses. Yeah, there's no question.

And that's what we did at you and see. There's a lot of times when we'd walk on that floor and the other team would look down and like, these guys, really, this is a team that's 120 games. You go to West Virginia where we did this year, but guys, Colbert, those guys are probably looking down. Coach is telling us we've got to be worried about these guys. Well, then, lo and behold, now you're in a dog fight because guess what?

All these guys, they can pass handling and shoot. And these guys, from a defensive standpoint, they know the game plan, and over the course of, you know, 70 to 75 defensive possessions in the game, they're not going to break down and make mistakes. And when you have those type of guys that really do have a feel for the game and understand. the game.

I just think there's a lot of stupid in college basketball, and you can exploit stupid, and that's what we're going to try to do is minimize stupid and make sure that, you know, we just don't beat ourselves because a lot of teams, if you love them, they'll beat themselves. I agree. All right, here's what I want to do real quick to sum up. Give me one thing that either funny story or interesting thing

about the coaches that you've coached under. Ricardo Patton, give me some because, Here's what I know about Ricardo Patton. Everybody liked the guy. I was told he was a black belt and like a scratch golfer, right? So great story. Coach Patton, so being a great golf, yes, true black belt golfer. So especially when I was younger and before four kids, I mean, each kid probably

that had two strokes to my handicap, but I was close to a scratch golfer coming out of college. So in the summertime, we went out the Boulder Country Club, Coach Moe, Ricardo myself, Lonnie Porter, a longtime coach at Regis University who was best friends of the car. So we went out and I kicked Ricardo's ass that day. And he comes in, you know, the next day, he's like, we're playing. I'm like, what? I mean, I'm the peon.

I mean, on the staff, he's like, get your clubs. We're going back out playing. And I'm like, oh, boy, this is not good. So, I mean, he was so competitive and he was so mad that I beat him that day he just couldn't sleep. And so now, lobehold, I've got to go back there. Coach Moe, we're on the 18th hole, and we're in this match, and he's like, I got this putt. I got a birdie putt to basically win the match, and he's like, you know, I'm not going to tell you to miss that put, but you might want to miss that put.

And lo and behold, I missed it even though I was trying to make it, but that was the one golf story with Ricardo Patton, who was a hell of a golfer, and gave me the best advice of any coach that I'd worked for when he had said, at the end of day, I don't need tricky plays. I just need tricky players. Yeah, I like that. I've heard, I've heard, I've heard a different, like, there are no, I've heard the, there are no trick plays. I've heard that, that expression before. Let's see here.

Give me something about Leon. David Moe. No, no, good, Dana Moe. Okay, go ahead. David Moe is as unique of a coach that there's out there. And my guy, coach, Mo, this was during the, during the internet, you know, Texas whole. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind.

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ahead of the big tournament here in the USA. Listen to the 1021 podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. era when it was at the very beginning. And he would, basically at his office, he'd have a blank, a blank, you know, the dry raceboard. The only thing would be on it would be a number, either red or black, up on the right-hand side of the corner. And everybody would walk in the office be like, well, there's nothing on the board. What's that number?

Well, that was where he was at in terms of his winnings or what he's been losing playing Texas hold him online. That's amazing. That's really, if he literally knows, it was, it was, it was, it was sharks and minnows. Okay, what about, what about rec? No, Grant. Grant. In terms of just best friend, I mean, the best human being you'll ever come in contact with, just understands people at the highest level.

You know, my friendship with him is one that will last a lifetime and just very fortunate to have crossed paths with him. Okay. give me uh let's go to rex rex uh so first time uh so rex is done playing and i'm still fairly young we're at imporia state so it's lunch time i'm like hey let's go down let's go down play some one-on-one you know this is a guy that's an eight-year NBA vet a hell of a player and uh you're playing one-on-one two or three dribble limit the first time we check up you know you kind of bring the ball up over his head and i just pop them in the nose and then right then in there he's like

okay, this guy's not scared me. He doesn't care that I'm Rex Walters. And so from that point on, we just, you know, that's what probably, you know, about our friendship in relation to grow so much because everybody's,

you know, but if everyone's scared of Rex and, behold, I was the one guy that wasn't scared of him. Which is probably why I liked you so much. Coach Ray.

You just, what you see is what you get and just the consistency every day and just the toughness and the chip on your shoulder mentality, but also, too, just how he,

just how he relates to players, and just gets the best out of him. But he's a guy that gave my first opportunity to Vision 1-Wise and allowed me to basically get a foot in the door and can't think him enough. All right, now you're up in the front range. What is the most, like, country thing? Because, like, as much as you're from Colorado,

you're still, you know, a basketball guy, you're still a suburb guy. You're not a country dude, right? But Greeley's kind of like, right there, borderline between you're out in the sticks and being a bit of a suburb. Now you're in Wyoming, Laramie. you know, it's pickup trucks, it's boots, and jeans.

Give me the most country thing that you've done as a head coach that you never thought you would ever do before. Oh, that's a good question. I happen to actually have to do too many. Greenlee has actually evolved where it's not too country. I can't. And that's a good question. Not anything too country yet.

I just, I love the outdoors. My fishing partner is, you know, former Gonzaga assistant slash USDA. head coach, now Colorado assistant, Billy Greer. And so I enjoy the summertime being Billy going up into the mountain fly fishing. And I'm sure that Billy will be making a lot more trips up to Laramie because there's a lot of great fishing holes up in those neck of the woods. And so I'm sure I'll see Billy a lot more up and Laramie than I even do see him down in Boulder.

What's a reasonable expectation for you guys? You have no idea in your roster, obviously. This is such a weird time. We'll wrap on this. what's a reasonable for you personally, what's reasonable to expect? Is it wins and losses? Is it competitiveness? What's reasonable for your first year?

No, the beauty of getting the job, there's no beauty of getting the job during the coronavirus, but the one saying that not having to do a real press conference and how that kind of takes up your time, I just went up there last Tuesday, signed a contract, it did a little social media release, and then what I did was I just got in the car and drove to see Hunter-time. Thompson, who lives in Cheyenne, Hunter Maldonados down in Colorado Springs, Juan Marble, and Kenny Foster, and went and really saw those four guys and got in front of them. And knowing what their strengths and weaknesses are since I played in the last three years, I knew exactly who they were and had recruited some of those guys at Northern Colorado.

And just basically just selling the vision on, hey, listen, and Coach Edwards, I mean, Alan Edwards is as good of a human beings you'll find in college basketball. There's not one personal say that thing about Alan Edwards. I just try to go in there and just say, listen, we're going to maintain the family-like atmosphere that Alan created, but we're going to do some things different from an offense and defense standpoint that I think can really help you guys. And we're not going to lose. And I do think with those four guys, and I think with this virus, being that there's a lot of uncertainty here late, I think you can go out.

And if you're in the right place at the right time, you can steal some guys right now from a recruiting standpoint. And so if we can add three or four guys to that core group of guys, I'm expecting us to win and compete in the Mountain West next year. Awesome stuff. Congrats on the move. I know there's a bunch of other stuff to get. And maybe we'll have to do one of these shows while fly fishing. I've got to learn how to fly fish.

In the meantime, enjoy whatever you're doing in terms of the move because it's the most you'll probably ever be involved with the move. Well, you know, it was funny before you called. In between phone calls, my four kids. And my four-year-old, she wanted me to play, you know, play Prince. Eric while she was on an Elsa in Elena of Avalor. So I just know this. Hopefully we'll figure out a cure or vaccine here pretty soon because of the or, you know,

what's going to happen is there's going to be a bomb that figures out a vaccine here in the next probably 48 to 72 hours. Because every mom right now in the country is absolutely losing their minds. And rightly so. No question about it. And teachers are, teachers are not even going to have to ask for a raise when they come back in. All right, enjoy for the Frozen 2 exploits and playing Eric. I want video that.

Congrats on the job, and thanks for joining me. Thanks, Doug. I appreciate it. What a great talk, huh? Very interesting on how he's bounced around, how he's got these jobs. Now he has a plan for how to turn around Wyoming basketball. Any of your thoughts or comments, feel free to tweet me at Gottlieb Show. Also on IG at Gottlieb Show.

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